**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Mar 08 02:59:57 2011 Mar 08 03:00:03 if you follow the wiki to a "T" it should work perfectly :) Mar 08 03:00:16 it did for me, and I have *no* linux experience :p Mar 08 03:01:03 Hey does anyone know if the comboard from a VZW Pre+ can be swapped into a Developer UMTS/GSM Pre2? Mar 08 03:01:24 that's reassuring, I have a fair amount of experience troubleshooting, so I'm not afraid of the process, just trying to get to know it Mar 08 03:01:28 it's not just the comboard, but yes Mar 08 03:01:29 PatrickC_Pixi: please, just stop talking about following the wiki to a t Mar 08 03:01:38 because it took you a long time to finally actually do that Mar 08 03:01:45 and only did under threat of a ban Mar 08 03:02:08 halfhalo:What else needs to be swapped then Mar 08 03:02:10 umm. is TMC something that is usual? Mar 08 03:02:18 I didn't see anything about it on the wiki Mar 08 03:03:32 mDavs: the backplate needs to be switched since the antenna structure is different between gsm and cdma Mar 08 03:03:59 mDavs: yes it can. Same process as Sprint Pre 2 on the webos-internals.org wiki Mar 08 03:04:34 rwhitby, i believe it accepts a reason, i cant recall what the behavior of the channel list is Mar 08 03:04:38 TMC is still here after a full reboot... Mar 08 03:04:46 rwhitby: So I can follow the Sprint Pre 2 guide and be completly fine, only difference is run the VZW Pre2 Doctor at the end? Mar 08 03:04:47 i believe a notification from the irc server should be received Mar 08 03:04:54 which would then trigger a list update Mar 08 03:05:09 but we shouldnt be doing it automatically with out the event Mar 08 03:05:28 agreed Mar 08 03:05:32 PuffTheMagic: its a minor thing from what I remember playing around with it. 20 says its a 3 loc patch Mar 08 03:05:57 I cannot open any apps Mar 08 03:06:49 halfhalo, what are u talking about Mar 08 03:07:04 wirc Mar 08 03:07:30 PatrickC_Pixi: on the Pre+ you can't? I didn't get TMC on my pre- Mar 08 03:07:38 just ignore me... works out better in the long run Mar 08 03:07:41 the Pre+ Mar 08 03:08:49 any ideas? Mar 08 03:08:58 restart it Mar 08 03:09:01 don't install 300 apps Mar 08 03:09:07 did 3 times Mar 08 03:09:53 2 times "silver+sym+r" and then 1 tripple toggle Mar 08 03:10:19 and the memory critical error.... Mar 08 03:11:05 SineOt: what governor do you recommend? Mar 08 03:11:36 djwhitey_pre: on my Pre+ running 2.1 right now, I'm running AV8B Harrier or whatever, and using its stock governor... Battery life is okay with it Mar 08 03:11:45 but I don't really have anything to recommend Mar 08 03:12:36 I'm deleting a ton of apps Mar 08 03:12:47 and I didn't have much on this one to start with Mar 08 03:13:38 it started after I installed a kernel... Mar 08 03:13:43 given you have no qualms about having 300 odd apps on your pixi, "much" is a very relative term Mar 08 03:13:45 ... Mar 08 03:13:47 on my pre- I've been using ondemand .6-1 sampling at .5sec... but been noticing stuttering audio... like shutter sound/card swipeoff Mar 08 03:13:59 then uninstall the kernel or mention that you've installed it in the first place Mar 08 03:14:09 how?! Mar 08 03:14:13 djwhitey_pre: yeah, ondemand has some issues... I'd love to use it, but the issues suck Mar 08 03:14:16 I can't start preware Mar 08 03:14:30 then congrats! doctor it again Mar 08 03:14:50 palm-install =) Mar 08 03:15:03 forgot about that :p Mar 08 03:16:46 I'm gonna try F105 Mar 08 03:16:46 Night guys Mar 08 03:16:52 nite Mar 08 03:18:10 uninstalling now Mar 08 03:21:13 removed kernel, and now it works Mar 08 03:21:45 155.5Kbytes download Mar 08 03:21:49 similar for upload Mar 08 03:21:57 not bad Mar 08 03:23:24 ooh, wrong channel Mar 08 03:24:28 now time to try uber Mar 08 03:24:44 why can't i paste into novaterm. ugh Mar 08 03:25:32 right click? Mar 08 03:26:01 or right click up at the top where the close button is? Mar 08 03:26:13 yea it wouldn't take it Mar 08 03:26:56 if you cant paste into novaterm your on windows Mar 08 03:27:31 true story Mar 08 03:27:49 PatrickC_Pixi: you used a different experimental kernel *before* UberKernel? Mar 08 03:28:00 blew up when i gave it the "exit" command too Mar 08 03:28:09 * halfhalo wishes irc had a stupidity filter Mar 08 03:28:54 * rwhitby believes the issue is sado-masochism, rather than stupidity. An clear intention to do things the hard way. Mar 08 03:33:20 seems like MySQL is down on webos-internals.org Mar 08 03:33:31 yep Mar 08 03:33:48 interesting... Mar 08 03:34:02 halfhalo, i figure it was about wirc but what exactly idk Mar 08 03:34:11 google cached ftw Mar 08 03:34:51 the list not updating stuff Mar 08 03:39:53 uber worked Mar 08 03:44:57 thanks to all who helped me get the meta-doctor built!!! Mar 08 03:45:35 who needs novaterm when you have novaproxy.py & putty Mar 08 03:45:40 bah Mar 08 03:45:46 filemgr won't download Mar 08 03:46:13 the requested url returned error: 403 Mar 08 03:47:05 PatrickC_Pixi: you're forbidden! Mar 08 03:47:36 brb Mar 08 03:58:07 cool, stepdad's pre- on sprint is happy on 2.1.0 with uberkernel, 500/1000 and flash :) Mar 08 04:05:50 ooo. preware, govnah, & save/restore updated Mar 08 04:06:25 yep Mar 08 04:07:42 Does anyone know where the Messaging/ Call Logs Database is stored in WebOS2? Mar 08 04:07:54 MySQL still down though :/ Mar 08 04:08:56 mDavs: db8 in /var/db accessed through com.palm.db service api which is under NDA. Mar 08 04:09:24 (but can be reverse engineered from application source javascript on public devices) Mar 08 04:09:39 brb gotta restart Mar 08 04:10:17 rwhitby: I'm under nda, im wondering if there is just a single file similar to in Webos1.4.5 that i can transfer from one device to the other to restore logs Mar 08 04:10:34 nope Mar 08 04:10:43 that didn't work reliably in 1.4.5 either Mar 08 04:11:17 hmm so im SOL? or is it worth trying Mar 08 04:30:08 wb PatrickC_Pre Mar 08 04:30:25 wb? lol Mar 08 04:30:35 wb = welcome back Mar 08 04:31:17 oh lol Mar 08 04:31:19 thanks :p Mar 08 04:34:33 man, meta-doctor is awesome Mar 08 04:34:41 y didn't I do this a while ago :) Mar 08 04:35:12 :D Mar 08 04:35:35 joeb_ have you meta'ed? Mar 08 04:35:38 i think its better when you make your own metadoctor even thought rwhitby script rocks its just a good learning experience :D Mar 08 04:35:42 PatrickC_Pre- yea Mar 08 04:35:45 the script is better Mar 08 04:36:10 I'm not smart enough to make my own :p Mar 08 04:36:17 :D Mar 08 04:36:21 its easy Mar 08 04:36:53 not for me :p Mar 08 04:37:09 you lovin 2.1 PatrickC_Pre ? Mar 08 04:37:27 I *was* before, but I definatly do now :D Mar 08 04:37:28 stacks w00t Mar 08 04:37:32 now I can OC!!!! Mar 08 04:38:40 are you likin it? Mar 08 04:39:11 yea .. my phone broke yesterday in pieces and ATT won't send me out another one Mar 08 04:39:27 joeb_: i stepped through the meta- script 1 command at a time to see what it was doing Mar 08 04:39:32 definitely good learning exp Mar 08 04:39:42 A. jump to verizon and get pre2 but then i would have to pay termination fee from ATT i have to lines Mar 08 04:39:48 I'm not that brave :p Mar 08 04:39:51 now, where do i replace that darn hp logo Mar 08 04:40:01 B. find a pre + or something on cragilist / ebay Mar 08 04:40:08 I like Tux :) Mar 08 04:40:22 Would anyone know why my wifi goes to sleep only on a particular network? Mar 08 04:41:30 yay angry birds!!! Mar 08 04:41:52 * rwhitby wonders if PatrickC_Pre did step 6 ... Mar 08 04:42:33 0_o Mar 08 04:43:03 not yet, need to get the money first :) Mar 08 04:43:51 joeb_ wanna lone me some money so I can donate to webosinternals? Mar 08 04:44:02 PatrickC_Pre- i would im still trying to get a phone Mar 08 04:44:03 :D Mar 08 04:44:07 lol Mar 08 04:44:26 * HebrewzHammer wonders if the webosinternals servers are down b/c the HP donated servers came in? Mar 08 04:44:33 lol Mar 08 04:44:38 dev phone!! :) Mar 08 04:44:45 you can do it :) Mar 08 04:44:45 HebrewzHammer- the hush servers ? Mar 08 04:44:46 :D Mar 08 04:44:59 HebrewzHammer: nope, unplanned outage Mar 08 04:45:04 :( Mar 08 04:45:09 ha! found it. /usr/palm/sysmgr/images/ Mar 08 04:45:11 whats good. Mar 08 04:45:13 speaking of, it's really cool that $xy_org donated $xy_item Mar 08 04:45:24 oc80z: uber-2.1.0-18 Mar 08 04:45:29 rwhitby: any eta on the donated servers? Mar 08 04:45:32 nope Mar 08 04:45:33 gotta go back to the pixi Mar 08 04:45:36 hmmph lucky. Mar 08 04:45:37 need to luna Mar 08 04:46:17 is pre2/3 running dnsmasq? Mar 08 04:46:23 bye all Mar 08 04:46:30 i wouldnt mind uploading my haxored version.. Mar 08 04:46:34 oc80z: yep Mar 08 04:46:48 ok, I'm back :) Mar 08 04:46:54 i updated some patches for a recent version of it. Mar 08 04:47:32 now when I work on patches, I can work on a widespread OS Mar 08 04:47:41 and it luna boots really quickly!! Mar 08 04:48:22 yeah? Mar 08 04:49:05 oc80z: have you meta-doctored yet? Mar 08 04:50:06 negative. Mar 08 04:50:14 i gave my other pre away. Mar 08 04:50:24 other pre? Mar 08 04:50:30 dunno if its even in use. Mar 08 04:50:50 do you still have a pre? Mar 08 04:51:16 yea, first one. strong like bull. Mar 08 04:51:28 strong enough to run 2.1? Mar 08 04:51:30 :) Mar 08 04:51:44 i dont see why not. Mar 08 04:51:50 its not like its running android. Mar 08 04:51:55 lulz. xoom is fail. Mar 08 04:51:58 my luna restarts will now be much more bearable: http://www.prethemer.com/tux_20-boot-logo1158.html Mar 08 04:52:18 you should try 2.1 oc80z Mar 08 04:52:41 did you make that djwhitey Mar 08 04:52:54 aight, ill see if my buddy wants to try it ;] Mar 08 04:52:55 nah, just installed it Mar 08 04:53:16 whats good with the profiles? they are or are not safe? Mar 08 04:53:26 mine was safe Mar 08 04:53:38 but I had to delete all extras besides apps Mar 08 04:53:46 oh Mar 08 04:53:58 hows it run eh? Mar 08 04:54:06 super fast! Mar 08 04:54:15 I OCed to 1GHz and its blazing Mar 08 04:54:21 oc80z, "You should always be prepared for the unlikely possibility that your device may be completely wiped and your Palm profile may be permanently destroyed." Mar 08 04:54:28 (from the wiki) Mar 08 04:54:42 scoutcamper hence my 1.4.5 Mar 08 04:54:52 the wiki is a good place to start :) Mar 08 04:55:34 ....i read it on precentral. Mar 08 04:55:46 really not worth the risk. Mar 08 04:55:50 ill try and get my other pre back Mar 08 04:56:04 so i can mess with it, right. Mar 08 04:56:23 well hows it handle w/o 1ghz Mar 08 04:56:26 I did it to my secondary phone Mar 08 04:56:36 didn't try it much without my OC :) Mar 08 04:56:55 my pre- seems to not handle F105 Thunderchief kernel so well when just plugged into usb.... avg -200mA (steady 1.005GHz in Exhibition, nothing else running) Mar 08 04:57:23 did you try uber? Mar 08 04:57:32 uber schmoober Mar 08 04:57:48 uber is for girly pre's Mar 08 04:57:49 yea. i'm playing w/ the other ones. gonna fire up Harrier now Mar 08 04:58:14 well, mine was very girly right after doctoring Mar 08 04:58:30 it installed F105 ok, but then wouldn't stop giving me TMC errors Mar 08 04:58:49 if something is going to be in my pocket near the jewels...it had better be girly! ;) Mar 08 04:59:00 lol Mar 08 04:59:04 wow ... Mar 08 04:59:19 haha Mar 08 05:01:13 man luna boot Mar 08 05:01:16 unexpected Mar 08 05:01:22 VKB doesn't like me Mar 08 05:04:16 oc80z: it is an _unlikely_ possibility Mar 08 05:04:33 wierd Mar 08 05:04:42 i thought f105 was just a place holder ? Mar 08 05:05:05 destinal: but one that someone must be prepared for before continuing Mar 08 05:05:48 I need to install flash tomorrow sometime Mar 08 05:06:11 rwhitby: true, indeed. Mar 08 05:07:10 set up stepdad on 2.1 on his sprint pre, he was all talking about getting an evo before, now he's like, hey, this phone is cool again! :) Mar 08 05:07:53 "WebOS Internals - prolonging the life of your crappy hardware" Mar 08 05:08:12 rwhitby: to be fair, webos is pretty damn heavy Mar 08 05:08:35 palm's throwing faster processors at it is like strapping jets on a brick so it can fly Mar 08 05:08:50 * halfhalo is ok with that Mar 08 05:10:00 halfhalo: heh, optimizing it would be nice, though :) Mar 08 05:12:21 sadly the device that wins in that department is iphone's iOS. way smoother on the same class hardware. of course, it has the downside of being iOS Mar 08 05:12:46 yup Mar 08 05:12:56 * joeb_ picks true multitasking over ios any day Mar 08 05:13:35 can someone help me find Freetether? Mar 08 05:13:38 picks anything over iOS any day Mar 08 05:13:58 check the testing feeds Mar 08 05:14:33 ~testing-feeds Mar 08 05:14:33 testing-feeds is probably a means of testing new WebOS Internals products, documented at http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Testing_Feeds Mar 08 05:14:35 Farbulus: ^^ Mar 08 05:14:55 thanks, I was getting that link :p Mar 08 05:15:05 that link didn't work Mar 08 05:15:07 I need to start learning how to use the infobot :) Mar 08 05:15:34 oh yea, the wiki is down :'( rite rwhitby? Mar 08 05:15:35 Farbulus: google cache: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:veoPtk7qlT0J:www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Testing_Feeds+http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Testing_Feeds&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&source=www.google.com Mar 08 05:15:49 google cache FTW!! Mar 08 05:16:17 the wiki down page even provides a box for you to cut and paste the URL into to get the cached version ... Mar 08 05:16:46 didn't know that lol Mar 08 05:18:53 well.. I need to get to bed Mar 08 05:18:56 night guys Mar 08 05:30:50 what is/are the big difference(s) between these kernel versions? Thunderchief vs Harrier? I mean, I can read the changelog & all.. screenstate-v2 vs vdemand? Mar 08 05:33:07 *shrug* qt bought. Mar 08 05:37:18 djwhitey: have you read the wiki page that is the homepage link for each of those kernels? Mar 08 05:38:52 mysql's still down =[ Mar 08 05:38:59 djwhitey your nickname is offending. Mar 08 05:39:03 was* Mar 08 05:39:13 "rwhitby: the wiki down page even provides a box for you to cut and paste the URL into to get the cached version ..." Mar 08 05:39:27 djwhitey: ^^ Mar 08 05:39:43 forgot about google cache Mar 08 05:39:50 doh Mar 08 05:40:22 there has to be some benefit from the additional load the spiders put on the server ... Mar 08 05:56:23 * sethron ponders Navit as a Sprint Nav replacement ... Mar 08 06:00:17 "Hey, listen!" "Turn right in 300 feet!" Mar 08 06:06:18 hey raster Mar 08 06:07:05 undrwater: hoi hoi Mar 08 06:07:30 g'day raster Mar 08 06:09:12 rwhitby: yo! Mar 08 06:14:47 Is secure shell functional on 2.1.0 at all or is it completely broken? Mar 08 06:15:19 I can't get any output from the embedded shell. Mar 08 06:15:51 The browser shell says it can't open the page at localhost:4200 Mar 08 06:20:44 Tigrao: is the daemon running? Mar 08 06:21:48 I don't think so. I couldn't find the documentation on starting it... Mar 08 06:22:04 I am sure it is really simple. Mar 08 06:22:50 Tigrao: the build script is in preware/build.git/nonworking/secureshell/Makefile Mar 08 06:23:32 we pulled it from the feeds due to the major security vulnerability (which is not so good for something called "Secure Shell") Mar 08 06:24:31 Right... I pulled the sources and built my own package. I installed it after building just assuming it would work... I will go read the makefile. Mar 08 06:33:58 if you built it yourself, you likely missed the postinst file Mar 08 06:55:19 morning guys! Mar 08 07:01:29 i need to talk to a patch author Mar 08 07:02:52 got an idea but don't know how to realize it Mar 08 07:08:02 is there a way to use the technic used in the popup blocker patch to build a anti-spam plugin for the email app? Mar 08 07:08:44 you could add a certain adress to the blacklist and when emails are synced, it checks this list and moves/deletes these mails Mar 08 07:09:33 ice8lue: you could patch the email app to do that Mar 08 07:09:55 destinal: ya but i don't know how. never did something like that Mar 08 07:10:10 ice8lue: it's just javascript, albeit somewhat complex Mar 08 07:10:49 it may take a bit of study of the email app to find a good place on receipt of a message to perform the action, you'd have to figure out how the app works Mar 08 07:11:13 then you basically just add the code in to implement the list checking, add code somewhere else to facilitate list entry and editing, and so on Mar 08 07:12:00 and how do you build the patch afterwards? Mar 08 07:12:12 ice8lue: with the diff tool Mar 08 07:12:26 basically take a copy of the app directory without modification and one with modification Mar 08 07:13:07 then diff -r originalversion modifiedversion (assuming those are the two directories) Mar 08 07:13:48 or diff -BurN I think is better, unified is useful for a variety of reasons and including new files in the modification and I forget what B does Mar 08 07:15:16 okay....think i will try that Mar 08 07:15:32 the sources are included in the sdk right? Mar 08 07:19:33 wow...this source is somewhat complex... Mar 08 07:19:52 ice8lue: indeed Mar 08 07:21:19 think i need to do that later...not that ammount of time atm =( Mar 08 07:21:33 destinal: you don't wanna do that right? ;) Mar 08 07:22:51 ice8lue: heh, I've got enough stuff on my list at the moment :) Mar 08 07:23:03 ice8lue: plus if I wanted this I'd just do it in gmail Mar 08 07:23:42 server-side rules for the win Mar 08 07:24:08 ^^ Mar 08 07:25:01 but it's really elegant to do it right on the phone ;) Mar 08 07:25:29 ice8lue: well, unless your phone isn't running and you go to check your mail with your laptop and the blacklist won't have been applied.. :) Mar 08 07:26:09 hm ;) on my laptop outlook kicks out all the trash Mar 08 07:26:16 what would be nice is to be able to manage gmail rules in a phone app Mar 08 07:26:46 so it gets applied server side but you can manage it from the phone without having to do several clicks to different pages in the browser Mar 08 07:27:10 true story... but i think that's too much for me ;) Mar 08 07:27:13 cours that wouldn't help people who don't have gmail Mar 08 07:27:27 and yeah it's not a terrible idea to do it on the phone I guess Mar 08 07:27:34 good luck with the patch Mar 08 07:27:36 * destinal is going to bed Mar 08 07:27:44 thx^^ sleep well Mar 08 08:05:01 morning Mar 08 08:05:29 ice8lue: Got my Dev Pre2 mail last Week :-) Mar 08 08:05:58 morning hape and congratulations =) Mar 08 08:06:16 hape, the free one? Mar 08 08:06:39 did u get a tracking number? Mar 08 08:06:41 Jack87: Jep Mar 08 08:06:47 hape, did they give you a confirm email? its been a week and i havent herd anything :( Mar 08 08:07:44 ice8lue: The mail from adam said that my request is approved and The I can expect the device in the nete ten work days. He will send me the tracking number as soon as it is shiped Mar 08 08:08:07 Jack87: I sen my mail to them on the16th of February. Mar 08 08:08:25 10 work days? Mar 08 08:08:34 i'm waiting for nearly two weeks now =( Mar 08 08:08:45 Jack87: It looks like only one person is resonsible to check the requests and after the two calls that Developers can request I expect he has a lot of mail Mar 08 08:08:51 hape, thanks for the heads up Mar 08 12:17:31 is there problem with the db connection atm? Mar 08 12:29:53 marcus_, yes there is, I am already aware and working on it Mar 08 12:52:12 anyone on? Mar 08 12:59:18 hey cryptk Mar 08 13:00:03 ice8lue, can you check the site and make sure it works for you Mar 08 13:00:16 I just fixed the mysql server, I always like to have soem outside validation though Mar 08 13:00:16 which site? woi.org? Mar 08 13:00:19 yeah Mar 08 13:01:02 yep, running fast and stable Mar 08 13:02:39 cool Mar 08 13:02:41 thanks man Mar 08 13:05:40 no problem =) Mar 08 13:05:42 just noticed that some pages are cached with the database error... fixed that... cache purged... Mar 08 13:11:03 ^^ Mar 08 13:11:10 is it running on mediawiki? Mar 08 13:11:17 yes Mar 08 13:11:28 * cryptk thought that was obvious from the look of it Mar 08 13:11:31 hm had some problems with that too Mar 08 13:11:41 this wasn't a mediawiki problem Mar 08 13:11:44 well there are two or thre clones^^ Mar 08 13:11:46 it was a mysql problem Mar 08 13:11:56 the caching is done by varnish... Mar 08 13:12:26 gotta love mysql Mar 08 13:12:29 varnish just had cachd copies of the page from when the mysql server was sick... now that the mysql server is fixed, varnish was still delivering the old cached pages Mar 08 13:12:44 ah okay Mar 08 13:12:52 so I just had to clear out the varnish cache to remove the cached copies that were saying the DB was borked still Mar 08 13:12:55 and now all is good Mar 08 13:13:16 =) fine Mar 08 13:46:48 yaawn Mar 08 13:51:42 yes indeed Mar 08 14:05:18 how bout some coffee? Mar 08 14:05:31 strong black hot Mar 08 14:05:40 like my girls ;) Mar 08 14:05:45 * masterhit ducks Mar 08 14:14:37 lol^^ Mar 08 14:19:19 hello everyone. I don't remember (and not sure of the info of the wiki) , does webos doctor erase /media/internal ? Mar 08 14:19:37 => what is the best practice to do before flashing ? Mar 08 14:26:48 anyone know where i can find Thibaud? Mar 08 14:27:05 I wanna alpha linphone Mar 08 14:27:39 all you haxor sleep in I guess Mar 08 14:36:11 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/PalmDatabase.db3_File does not match with current state of palm pre 2 Mar 08 14:56:49 I found linphone at http://git.webos-internals.org how do I install it from the git? Mar 08 15:16:14 anyone working on a barcode or watever that square code thing is reader ... anyone working on something like that for webOS? Mar 08 15:55:23 what's up? Mar 08 15:55:31 HEYHO Mar 08 15:55:35 ups ;) Mar 08 15:55:52 is preware gonna get Just Type search functionality? Mar 08 15:56:01 how's it gin ice8lue? Mar 08 15:56:54 don't think so^^ mh everything's smooth over here. what about u? Mar 08 15:57:19 its good Mar 08 15:57:26 I meta doctored yesterday Mar 08 15:58:01 I'm likin 2.1 at 1GHz :) Mar 08 15:59:06 hmm, my luna freezes sometimes, but i dont know if this had anything to do with uberkernel oder just webos 2 Mar 08 15:59:24 oder=or Mar 08 16:00:12 it works fine for me, and boots soo fast Mar 08 16:03:40 pre oder pre+? Mar 08 16:03:43 or Mar 08 16:03:44 the best boot on 2.1 is GREAT! Mar 08 16:03:53 pre+ Mar 08 16:04:09 hmkay Mar 08 16:04:16 what do you got? Mar 08 16:05:17 pre+ gsm :) Mar 08 16:05:41 ATT or TMobile? Mar 08 16:06:25 european (simlock free) Mar 08 16:06:34 ah ok Mar 08 16:28:03 * DougReeder waves hello Mar 08 16:28:22 Hey, is anyone here working on Impostah? Mar 08 16:28:31 I'm not :) Mar 08 16:29:00 Okay, does anyone know how to force an "administrative delete" of the DB8 database? Mar 08 16:41:04 how's it goin doug? Mar 08 16:42:47 so i did a html introudction yesterday Mar 08 16:42:54 :D Mar 08 16:43:20 i know paragraphs / breaks / herf / img :D Mar 08 16:43:56 Things could be easier. Mar 08 16:46:40 GarthPS: it can but doesn't always Mar 08 16:46:57 you should assume it will and back things up accordingly Mar 08 16:50:50 how many times should I see Tux? Mar 08 16:51:36 * Lichtlos quits ELIZA mode Mar 08 16:59:38 PatrickC_Pre- i think everytime you reboot Mar 08 17:00:07 ok Mar 08 17:00:16 I thought it was a once-time deal Mar 08 17:00:26 nop Mar 08 17:00:36 ok thanks Mar 08 17:01:11 hi anyone has the " Black square" in place of email message body issue?? Mar 08 17:01:27 I sometimes get it Mar 08 17:02:28 I don't know of a fix pman_lt Mar 08 17:02:42 it seems line intermit Mar 08 17:02:47 not on every email Mar 08 17:02:56 but its strange... :( Mar 08 17:03:14 youre on pre+ or -? Mar 08 17:03:21 imap or pop3 account? Mar 08 17:03:29 pre+ 2.1 imap I believe Mar 08 17:07:47 :E Mar 08 17:08:06 what is your setup? Mar 08 17:11:26 pre- 2.1 Mar 08 17:11:29 imap account Mar 08 17:11:49 ant i have yahoo, gmail and imap account ad its only on imap account and on some messages... Mar 08 17:12:13 I'm not sure what causes it/how to fix it Mar 08 17:12:30 pman_lt- you should open a thread on pre-centeral .. to bad i don't have my pre to see if it happens to me Mar 08 17:13:15 joeb_ do you have a computer handy? or are you at work? Mar 08 17:13:38 im at work i have my computer handy Mar 08 17:13:44 im on simulator though Mar 08 17:14:02 when you get home, PM me or email me, we are going to get you making apps :) Mar 08 17:14:42 when I started I knew nothing (now I know next-to-nothing) but its easy..... :D Mar 08 17:22:27 anyone can PM me linphone testi package link? Mar 08 17:38:05 destinal: hum.. I meant that i could not find PalmDatabase.db3 file Mar 08 17:40:15 GarthPS: I had been replying to "hello everyone. I don't remember (and not sure of the info of the wiki) , does webos doctor erase /media/internal ?" Mar 08 17:40:23 it does but not always Mar 08 17:41:09 it didn't for me Mar 08 17:42:15 GarthPS- your looking for the .db3 file on your 1.4.5 or 2.1 device ? Mar 08 17:42:21 1.4.5 has the .db3 not 2.1 Mar 08 17:44:04 hi Mar 08 17:44:13 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Contacts_Transfer_%281.4.x_to_2.x%29 ? Mar 08 17:44:30 anyone with a pre2 and shell access top it online? Mar 08 17:46:03 destinal: ah ok thx sorry :) Mar 08 17:46:15 destinal: ah ok thx sorry :)i have a pre2 under 2.0.2 Mar 08 17:46:22 bbl time for lunch Mar 08 17:46:23 s/2.0.2/2.0.1 Mar 08 17:47:48 my Pre2 uses something like 10% of the battery per hour and I am trying to find out what's causing this Mar 08 17:48:13 whenever it tries to suspend I see this in the log: Could not suspend device C6410: error -1 Mar 08 17:50:19 noradtux: what email and messaging services are you running? Mar 08 17:51:14 I have a theory one of email services is causing the load. Mar 08 17:51:48 I eventually had to rebuild and install very few patches. Mar 08 17:51:53 so far so good. Mar 08 17:52:11 smooth sailing at 0.2 load. Mar 08 17:52:23 yeah, email tends to be a big hog when it's querying and keeping the data connection open Mar 08 17:52:49 just look at Yahoo mail on WP7 ;p Mar 08 17:53:01 I remember MS had an issue with Yahoo killing their phones. Mar 08 17:53:17 haha. exactly Mar 08 17:53:55 Yahoo's IMAP implimentation when paired with WP7 would keep the data connection open and constantly downloading, killing battery life and running up huge data totals Mar 08 17:56:17 joeb_:: ah ok thx sorry :)i have a pre2 under 2.0.1 Mar 08 18:01:43 so, back online .. Mar 08 18:01:59 I use my own imap-server and EAS. but I turned those of already Mar 08 18:02:38 the messages from the kernel look to me as if the DSP fails to suspend Mar 08 18:17:22 someone hook me up with the linphone alpha IPK please Mar 08 19:33:26 hey all - anyone around or is everyone AFK Mar 08 19:33:41 so I'm having a problem with my test pre... I'm trying to use it as a PDA because it had the "phone offline" error. But now, it won't charge at all. I had it plugged into my laptop all night and it went from 27% when I went to bed and 34% when I checked it this morning Mar 08 19:34:17 m0ngr31 - NOT a clue man - haven't heard of that at all... Mar 08 19:34:29 everytime i plug it in, it does the same thing. sometimes it will discharge while it's just sitting there being charged. Mar 08 19:34:44 maybe it's a hardware issue - I've had 2 palm pre plus's usb ports die on me Mar 08 19:35:16 that's what i was thinking, so i tried another system board in there and it still did the same thing Mar 08 19:35:17 that doesn't sound software related to me at all - have you done a battery pull and then make sure you're not rrunning anything? Mar 08 19:35:44 yeah, i just doctored it, and tried a different battery Mar 08 19:36:18 maybe it's constantly trying to connect to a network... if you're using it as a PDA - will Jason's "Radio Always Off" patch work for you? Mar 08 19:36:33 i'll try that Mar 08 19:36:39 thanks for the suggestion... Mar 08 19:36:48 I just don't know if the Radio Always Off patch interrupts your ability to use wifi & bluetooth Mar 08 19:37:10 i don't need bluetooth, just wifi, so i hope not Mar 08 19:37:22 what's goin on? Mar 08 19:37:32 yeah I just got a replacement pre plus - and want to use my old one as a PDA podcasting demon... Mar 08 19:37:45 but I don't know if the radio always off patch kills wifi Mar 08 19:37:48 hey patrick Mar 08 19:38:04 i'm trying to get it working so i can give it to my dad. his ipod touch is about dead Mar 08 19:38:24 radio off does not kill wifi Mar 08 19:38:32 is there a patch that allows you to turn off JUST the CDMA/EVDO connection and keep WIFI & Bluetooth going? Mar 08 19:38:42 thanks HalfHalo Mar 08 19:38:43 radio always off doesn't kill wifi Mar 08 19:38:48 I use that patch Mar 08 19:38:51 tx Patrick Mar 08 19:38:54 very kewl Mar 08 19:39:09 PatrickC_Pre: have you ever had problems charging your pre? Mar 08 19:39:16 not yet... Mar 08 19:39:20 why? Mar 08 19:39:36 like it says it's charging, but it really is just maintaining it? that's what mine is doing Mar 08 19:39:49 o.k. so - I have both my Pre+s turned on and I want to activate the new one... it gave me a message saying Profile Already Active.. which I know.. so when I activate the new palm - what will happen to my old one? Mar 08 19:39:56 what does dr batt say? Mar 08 19:40:14 boqopod: it will clean off your other one i think Mar 08 19:40:16 profile goes bye bye I believe Mar 08 19:40:26 PatrickC_Pre: it says my battery heath is 99 Mar 08 19:40:47 when its plugged in, what does it say? Mar 08 19:40:51 what power source? Mar 08 19:40:58 well that's bullshit - i wanted to keep Dr Podder on my old one to use it for podcasts Mar 08 19:41:04 just a minute, lemme go grab it Mar 08 19:41:32 boqopod meta-doctor --wifi-only option, make a new profile? Mar 08 19:42:18 Patrick - but DrPodder is a paid app... so I gotta bite it and pay again? Mar 08 19:42:52 DrPodder HB -- found in Preware for free ;) Mar 08 19:43:06 lol awesome - thanks Mar 08 19:43:12 np Mar 08 19:43:29 I just downloaded it today.. I don't know of any differences... Mar 08 19:43:40 for the meta-doctor - I'm gonna hafta go in and change the code to make it WIFI only? Mar 08 19:43:53 just follow the wiki Mar 08 19:43:58 o.k. will do Mar 08 19:44:06 it tells you how to make the script wifi only Mar 08 19:44:21 and are you gonna do the 2.1 meta-doctor? Mar 08 19:44:52 should I 2.1 it? i haven't looked into it yet Mar 08 19:45:04 2.1 is awesome Mar 08 19:45:09 I did it last night Mar 08 19:45:27 I can help you on just about anything to do it (well, somewhat) :) Mar 08 19:45:38 PatrickC_Pre: what should i be looking for in dr. battery? Mar 08 19:45:53 lemme look real quick so I don't tell you wrong Mar 08 19:46:08 boqopod: i've been using it for the last week or so and it's great Mar 08 19:46:19 that's awesome.... Mar 08 19:46:45 I love 2.1, stacks are awesome!!! Mar 08 19:46:46 I just have Windows 7 - and no linux or mac machines to mess with the meta-doc code atm... which sucks Mar 08 19:47:25 boqopod: you can use cygwin Mar 08 19:47:26 boqopod: cgywin Mar 08 19:47:32 we need a bypass to prevent a Pre+ from reting when you log into your profile on a new machine Mar 08 19:47:47 or VBox :) Mar 08 19:47:52 cgywin is that available via link on preware.org somewhere? Mar 08 19:48:08 http://cygwin.com/install.html Mar 08 19:48:09 m0ng31, what does the current say on the first scene? Mar 08 19:48:26 thanks guys Mar 08 19:48:50 I'm not sure how to do it in cygwin.. I did it in a vbox Mar 08 19:49:12 2%, Capacity left: 19mAh, Temperatur 32*C/90*F, Voltage: 3.60V, Current -90.23 Ma Mar 08 19:49:40 is it pluged in? Mar 08 19:49:50 sineot could probably help more :) Mar 08 19:50:17 what's up? Mar 08 19:50:28 his pre isnt charging correctly Mar 08 19:50:36 2%, Capacity left: 19mAh, Temperatur 32*C/90*F, Voltage: 3.60V, Current -90.23 Ma Mar 08 19:50:54 do the batteries work in other devices fine? Mar 08 19:51:11 see, sineot knows way more then me :p Mar 08 19:51:15 yeah, it's plugged in Mar 08 19:51:59 does the battery work in other devices? Mar 08 19:52:04 because the batteries are a two prong thing... charge circuitry in the device and then charge circuitry in the battery itself Mar 08 19:52:10 either or could be busted Mar 08 19:52:13 sorry, i got messed up for a minute (stupid windows), did i miss something? Mar 08 19:52:28 PatrickC_Pre: the battery does work in my good pre Mar 08 19:52:36 and it charges properly in the other pre? Mar 08 19:52:41 yeah Mar 08 19:54:09 hmm... Mar 08 19:55:26 upgrading to 2.1.0 lost my stock wallpapers and ringtones Mar 08 19:55:40 where are files downloaded with quickoffice stored? Mar 08 19:55:54 it probably wiped your USB drive.. Mar 08 19:56:35 dang. i hate windows lol Mar 08 19:56:41 shouldnt they be included with the OS though? Mar 08 19:56:57 did i miss advice on my battery situation? Mar 08 19:57:02 you have *no* ringtones or wallpapers? Mar 08 19:57:45 absolutely zero. I have the stock Pre ringtone and stock wallpaper but cannot view either Mar 08 19:58:15 and after I reset it resets my wallpaper - it wont save my wallpaper selection after a restart. Mar 08 19:58:24 hmm. Mar 08 19:58:58 The doctor borked up somewhere... I'd take it back for another go Mar 08 19:59:12 (and rebuild it again with metadoctor using the latest git snapshot for good measure) Mar 08 19:59:13 m0ngr31_: i also had battery trouble after doctoring [because I misguidedly followed a forum post saying copy some tokens by hand]. If yours is charging properly in one Pre & not in another, it might be the tokens in the bad one Mar 08 19:59:18 I can confirm through internalz that the ringtone folder is there, but empty. and wallpaper folder is gone Mar 08 19:59:37 its as updated as possible for last night Mar 08 19:59:44 oooh, yeah. m0ngr31_: did you dick with the tokens? Mar 08 19:59:51 specifically BATToCH & BATToRSP Mar 08 20:00:24 smkuntson: the only thing I can think of is to redoctor? Mar 08 20:00:29 SineOt: no, but i have been switching comm boards and system boards around like crazy Mar 08 20:00:33 tokens: my pre wouldnt go past -18mA because I forgot ONE number off the end of BATToRSP Mar 08 20:00:35 those 2 are married to each other, and if you fat-finger a single character in either, you'll end up not charging correctly in 2.1 Mar 08 20:00:44 i wasn't worried about the tokens because i didn't need the radio Mar 08 20:01:12 i saw one person reported that using a windows file editor ended up with 1 character being left off Mar 08 20:01:55 notepad++ FTW Mar 08 20:02:19 so is there a way i can go back? i'm guessing it's a tokens issue? Mar 08 20:02:27 Ok Patrick. Would anyone know why my Pre reverts to stock wallpaper after every reset? Mar 08 20:03:05 smknutson: like every reboot? Mar 08 20:03:13 monger: just re-edit the castle.xml to correct the typo then repackage and redoctor Mar 08 20:03:56 monger: yes every reboot it reverts back to stock wallpaper, I cant get it to "remember" my selection after a reboot Mar 08 20:04:15 m0ngr31_: you used Show Properties to email yourself your tokens, right? Mar 08 20:05:19 smknutson: just redoctor it. It's obvious that something isn't working properly and will be nearly impossible to track down Mar 08 20:05:28 m0ngr31: you used Show Properties to email yourself your tokens, right? Mar 08 20:05:42 smknutson: edit what? i never saved the tokens and i was hoping not to since i've got the original board and comm board together again Mar 08 20:06:00 djwhitey: i switched stuff around before i knew anything about tokens :'( Mar 08 20:06:44 ouch, m0ngr31. when and what did you switch around that you had never seen anything about tokens? Mar 08 20:07:20 the comm boards Mar 08 20:07:34 SineOt: I was having the "phone offline" error so i got a used pre on ebay for like $15. i took the comm board out of that one and put it into mine Mar 08 20:08:06 if it were me, I would get them back to original state (including stock doctoring if necessary). install Show Properties via Preware & email the set of tokens for each comm board Mar 08 20:08:44 djwhitey: even though i've got the originals back together? Mar 08 20:09:58 so you have original hardware back together, have not doctor'd anything yet, and still having battery charge problems? Mar 08 20:10:51 well, i've doctored like 50x with different configurations. but now i've got the original stuff together. so i need to doctor it again? Mar 08 20:11:19 did any of your meta-doctoring include modifying a file called castle.xml? Mar 08 20:12:16 djwhitey: no, i've only done meta-doctor to bypass activation and first use Mar 08 20:14:11 good. your tokens probably aren't hosed then =) Mar 08 20:14:46 but you still have battery charge problems on one? Mar 08 20:15:03 yeah, it just won't charge. i've tried everything i can think of Mar 08 20:15:38 what carrier are they Mar 08 20:15:59 djwhitey: sprint Mar 08 20:16:25 honestly sounds like token issue Mar 08 20:16:47 mine as well. and the meta-doctor you made was a 1.4.5, just bypassing 1stUse & activation? Mar 08 20:17:12 smknutson: so if i've got the original stuff together, i could just save the tokens and then redoctor with those tokens? Mar 08 20:17:15 djwhitey: yaeh Mar 08 20:17:18 *yeah Mar 08 20:17:20 smknutson: agreed. that was my experience... but doesn't sound like he's messed w/ them Mar 08 20:17:21 monger: are you able to seein govnah the battery current? is it hitting a "wall" around -20mA? Mar 08 20:17:44 jack87 hay Mar 08 20:18:03 when I went to boot ubuntu today, it acted like it was a first boot Mar 08 20:18:05 smknutson: right now it's at -160mA Mar 08 20:18:18 PatrickC, what do you mean? Mar 08 20:18:39 and is it not progressing any further? with everything off and brightness down? Mar 08 20:18:47 I went to boot ubuntu, and it had be pick the ISO then I had to re-install it Mar 08 20:19:31 m0ngr31: are you plugged into wall/touchstone or computer usb? Mar 08 20:20:02 smknutson: it's bouncing around between -150mA and -90mA Mar 08 20:20:11 djwhitey: usb Mar 08 20:20:18 i'm at work and don't have my wall charger Mar 08 20:20:19 that's your problem Mar 08 20:20:31 I think... Mar 08 20:20:40 m0ngr31: stock palm kernel or uber? Mar 08 20:20:42 USB is the lowest current charger Mar 08 20:20:48 djwhitey: uber Mar 08 20:20:55 djwhitey, keep helping :) Mar 08 20:21:47 on dr. battery, it says 3% discharging Mar 08 20:21:55 hmm. i was getting that last night with the Thunderchief & Harrier II kernels. avg -200mA when in via USB Mar 08 20:22:05 when plugged in? Mar 08 20:22:26 PatrickC, it looks like your VM was not seeing your Virtual HGG Mar 08 20:22:28 HDD Mar 08 20:22:30 not wall/trouchstone. computer USB was giving the -200mA Mar 08 20:22:33 def need a wall charger to compare with Mar 08 20:22:36 it says "discharging" when plugged in? Mar 08 20:22:43 PatrickC: yeah Mar 08 20:22:47 jack87 but I don't see why Mar 08 20:22:48 did you delete it? if it lost it you can browse to it in gui Mar 08 20:23:02 but the battery icon at the top has the lightning next to it Mar 08 20:23:03 USB maxes out at 500mA iirc Mar 08 20:23:18 I exited in the middle of installation though... Mar 08 20:23:19 Loudergood: true. USB gives .5A, wall gives 1A Mar 08 20:23:21 it broke my KB Mar 08 20:23:32 KB stopped working totally Mar 08 20:23:38 I wonder how much you lose with the TS Mar 08 20:23:41 had to reboot computer to get it to work again Mar 08 20:23:42 USB gives .5A if your computer sucks :T Mar 08 20:23:53 i switch to sissy Uberkernel this morning & am getting +220mA when in via USB Mar 08 20:23:56 TS gives 750Ma I believe Mar 08 20:24:11 my motherboard supposedly has those hi power ports...damned if I can get them to work though Mar 08 20:24:17 USB has specs going up to 1.8A Mar 08 20:24:26 I just did the 2.1 upgrade on a non activated sprint pre, using the wifi only modifier, and i do not know how to sign into my palm profile now. Can someone please help? Mar 08 20:24:27 and most any modern Apple system has no problem doing 1.2A Mar 08 20:24:41 the_justin: it's in the wiki, but just run the gesture tutorial Mar 08 20:24:51 SineOt, thats funny. The apple USB borts used to be worthless Mar 08 20:24:53 thank you Sine0t Mar 08 20:24:57 i'm just on a netbook now, so usb charging probably isn't great Mar 08 20:24:59 I wish I could see UK again. F105 gaveme TMCs on startup now preware cant see UK Mar 08 20:25:37 smknutson did you un-install F105? Mar 08 20:25:52 yes. Mar 08 20:25:57 the_justin: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_2_Upgrade#Step_3:_Run_device-specific_MetaDoctor_script Mar 08 20:26:47 have you tried downloading the kernel from ipkg.preware.org and installing with webosQI? Mar 08 20:26:49 what does the palm car charger give? .5A? Mar 08 20:26:57 PuffTheMagic, wIRC request, can you make the channels that are set to auto join open in stacks? Mar 08 20:27:19 scoutcamper: #wirc =) Mar 08 20:27:23 scoutcamper: do you mean auto join channels? Mar 08 20:27:38 that feature doesn't work for me in wIRC though :/ Mar 08 20:28:22 it works for me, just opens a bunch of new cards for me to stack Mar 08 20:28:44 that's what it does for me Mar 08 20:31:20 how do you bypass carrier activation when doctoring back to 1.4.5? Mar 08 20:31:21 djwhitey: pretty sure it gives 1A Mar 08 20:31:43 Palm's developer site has an activation bypass tool you can use Mar 08 20:32:02 Thanks Mar 08 20:32:32 so you guys still think it's a tokens issue? i was able to email myself the tokens, should i redoctor with the tokens? Mar 08 20:32:41 sineot how's the review comin? Mar 08 20:33:08 PatrickC: I'm going to post it to my own blog :p Mar 08 20:33:15 If you could remove me from yours that'd be cool Mar 08 20:33:27 ok Mar 08 20:33:35 you made a blog? Mar 08 20:33:37 thanks Mar 08 20:33:53 it's getting set up sometime this week when I get to it, yes :p Mar 08 20:33:57 djwhitey: the vzw car charger is amazing. it charged my pre on the touchstone and my brother's iphone at the same time Mar 08 20:35:27 Loudergood: how'd you do both at once? Mar 08 20:35:46 the vzw charger has a second USB port on it Mar 08 20:36:05 so if it can charge over USB, you can charge it Mar 08 20:36:12 yeah, it's sweet Mar 08 20:36:15 all while charging your Pre/Pixi/Veer/whatever Mar 08 20:36:50 ooo nice Mar 08 20:37:11 you forgot webOS Toaster Mar 08 20:37:25 the only catch with the nice vzw car charger+touchstone deal was that I now have several holsters Mar 08 20:37:46 the webOS Toaster was lame the first time it got mentioned, it's only run its head into a brick wall of not funny since :p Mar 08 20:37:49 webOS Toaster? Where you swipe up freshly made toast? ;) Mar 08 20:38:13 lol Mar 08 20:38:24 what about other kitchen electroics? Mar 08 20:38:38 Microwave, Fridge, dishwasher. etc. Mar 08 20:38:40 I can imaging people swiping up on the touchscreen and the toast springs to life from a slot on the top Mar 08 20:38:40 :) Mar 08 20:38:58 it would be nice Mar 08 20:39:31 Couldn't HP release WebOS as a Linux distro for computers? Mar 08 20:40:16 ridiculously easily Mar 08 20:40:40 I was just thinking, sicne we can access theterminal using the phone, it could easily do linux work, right? Mar 08 20:40:50 they already have the code in x86 for the emulator Mar 08 20:40:50 well it runs fine as x86 in the VM Mar 08 20:40:55 yup Mar 08 20:41:16 and x64 Mar 08 20:41:26 I want vending machines running webOS# Mar 08 20:41:29 and yeah most linux software just works Mar 08 20:41:32 then they just have to make a USB toaster, and viola! WebOS toaster Mar 08 20:41:33 a webos fridge Mar 08 20:41:47 and a microwave Mar 08 20:42:08 lol Mar 08 20:42:15 dishwasher Mar 08 20:42:17 sink Mar 08 20:42:25 washer/dryer Mar 08 20:42:27 TV Mar 08 20:42:29 now we're getting carried away Mar 08 20:42:32 let me luna-send this to my dishwasher :P Mar 08 20:42:32 computer Mar 08 20:42:40 car Mar 08 20:42:44 jet :D Mar 08 20:42:51 hey, can I overclock my webOS car? Mar 08 20:43:09 :) Mar 08 20:43:18 i was thinking basic stuff, you know, turning the Touchpad into a home controller, doing everything from controlling electronics to your room temerature, to even remote starting your car Mar 08 20:43:25 m-h-k: yeah but as soon as the battery hits 20% it'll cut the speed in half :) Mar 08 20:43:37 OC the car? I would OC the jet! lol Mar 08 20:43:40 m0ngr31 lol Mar 08 20:43:53 m-h-k: watch out, overclocking voids your warranty. Mar 08 20:44:01 :P Mar 08 20:44:17 not mine Mar 08 20:44:31 I've brought my Pixi into sprint multiple times OCed Mar 08 20:44:46 yeah of course I'd only do it after the factory warranty expires. Of course. Mar 08 20:44:54 :P Mar 08 20:45:07 ive done the same with my Pre. If only the pixi had a wifi radio, i would get me one of those now. Mar 08 20:45:11 * m-h-k imagines driving his car onto the touchstone. Mar 08 20:45:28 *'s head explodes Mar 08 20:45:56 my apologies, I'm not too familiar with IRC any more. Mar 08 20:46:13 its "/me" :) Mar 08 20:46:17 minus the "" Mar 08 20:46:38 of course... Mar 08 20:46:49 * m-h-k experiences some kind of flashback using irc again after, what, 10 years? Mar 08 20:46:51 I try to go to a web site, and its a flash site...... Mar 08 20:47:06 * PatrickC 10 years ago I was 5 :) Mar 08 20:47:25 and your phone explodes? Mar 08 20:47:32 used to hang out on irc a lot in the nineties Mar 08 20:47:45 PatrickC- your 15 ? Mar 08 20:47:51 yep Mar 08 20:48:03 -_0 Mar 08 20:48:07 you didn't know that; Mar 08 20:48:09 * the_justin still has a 56k modem in his closet Mar 08 20:48:14 jailbaite ? Mar 08 20:48:24 justin, me too. Old US Robotics. Mar 08 20:48:58 I've installed a couple 56k modems this year Mar 08 20:49:04 those were the days. some people nowadays complain about having a quarter second lag and downloading at ONLY a Mb a second. Mar 08 20:49:07 why? Mar 08 20:49:10 Loudergood- wow that must suck! Mar 08 20:49:17 joeb_: not for me Mar 08 20:49:42 these are people that can't even get our wireless service Mar 08 20:50:01 what company loudergood Mar 08 20:50:03 the people that live in the sticks? Mar 08 20:50:19 I live in the sticks :p Mar 08 20:50:21 these are the people that live in the places the sticks call sticks Mar 08 20:50:39 lol Mar 08 20:50:40 the worst part is that they're so far out that 56k usually means 14.4 Mar 08 20:50:51 woah. and here i thought living where you have to walk an hour to reach your neighbors house is the sticks. Mar 08 20:51:10 there's not a lot of that around here the_justin Mar 08 20:51:19 Do themes work with webOS 2.1? Mar 08 20:51:22 14.4 really sucks Mar 08 20:51:31 but the terrain is so rough that there are plenty of pockets that can't get wireless service Mar 08 20:51:45 * m-h-k imagines syncing his google contacts and calendar over 14.4 Mar 08 20:52:08 that'd probably be doable Mar 08 20:52:18 in a week. Mar 08 20:52:21 doable yes, but still takes long Mar 08 20:52:26 of course our wireless system isn't that top of the line either Mar 08 20:52:38 * PatrickC imagins syncing his dads email over 14.4 Mar 08 20:52:41 we are trying to cope with netflix usage now Mar 08 20:52:47 Loudergood, im assuming you are in the rockies somewhere? Mar 08 20:52:58 are themes conpatible with webOS 2.1? Mar 08 20:52:59 I'm in northern Vermont Mar 08 20:53:02 * m-h-k was out in the woods the other week, and 3G HSDPA turned to EDGE. First time I noticed how used I have gotten to UTMS speeds. Mar 08 20:53:15 s/UTMS/UMTS/ Mar 08 20:53:22 Ah, the appalachians then Mar 08 20:53:26 yup Mar 08 20:53:52 im up in Wisconsin, where yes, we have internet AND electricity. Mar 08 20:54:10 both?! Mar 08 20:54:14 I could get 25 meg cable here if I wanted to pay for it Mar 08 20:54:20 you are living the high life :) Mar 08 20:54:26 but then I'm right next to US 5 Mar 08 20:54:41 oh yeah. ive got 25m down and like 2m up Mar 08 20:54:57 for 70/mo it isnt bad Mar 08 20:55:00 I want that... Mar 08 20:55:15 I have 3 meg down and idk up Mar 08 20:55:27 im only suposed to have 15 down and 1 up Mar 08 20:55:28 the gf and I went internet+netflix only a few months ago Mar 08 20:55:44 it's not bad at all, we read a lot more Mar 08 20:55:55 if the lines have the room though, im at 15-2 Mar 08 20:56:05 25-2* Mar 08 20:57:49 stupid redoctoring to 1.4.5... Mar 08 20:58:17 i was hoping with the few things on my palm profile, i could skim through into 2.1 safely, but no. Mar 08 20:58:33 I've only had one issue with 2.1..but it might be overclock related... Mar 08 20:58:53 Loudergood, which is? Mar 08 20:59:05 I've had cards think they were focused when I was in card view Mar 08 20:59:16 couldn't make them focus though Mar 08 20:59:25 and instead was interacting with them Mar 08 20:59:31 this just happened this morning Mar 08 20:59:44 weird Mar 08 20:59:48 That is weird. I had the touchscreen stop working until I turned the screen off and on again. Mar 08 21:00:27 m-h-k that happens all the time to my pixi Mar 08 21:01:00 poor pixies. little forgotten stepchildren of Palm Mar 08 21:01:07 yea... Mar 08 21:01:19 I'm getting horrible wifi reception Mar 08 21:01:23 I wish I could com-board swap my pixi and pre+ Mar 08 21:02:38 now that would franken Mar 08 21:02:49 I know!!! Mar 08 21:03:01 but I don't think its possible Mar 08 21:03:45 not unless you're very good with a soldering iron ;) Mar 08 21:03:56 lol Mar 08 21:04:02 wanna do it for me? Mar 08 21:04:26 lol Mar 08 21:04:33 I'm definately not good with one of those Mar 08 21:04:36 do you think that could be possible? moving an activated pixi com board to a pre+/2? Mar 08 21:04:42 just let myself get raped by the local computer shop cause I didn't trust myself with a soldering iron Mar 08 21:05:28 VBox is annoying, but i dont trust myself with linux. Mar 08 21:05:49 the_justin: Cygwin Mar 08 21:05:59 real linux on real hardware Mar 08 21:06:10 the_justin: it'd be easier to do an esn swap Mar 08 21:07:11 m0ngr31: how so? swap the ESN from the pixi to a Pre- then swap into a pre2? Mar 08 21:07:28 idontwan2know: a local computer shop that knows how to use one of those? Mar 08 21:07:52 the_justin: no, just swap the esn from the pixi to the pre2 Mar 08 21:08:07 don't know if anyone has figured it out yet though Mar 08 21:08:13 would that work with a vzw pre+? Mar 08 21:08:24 m0ngr31: would that work on the verizon pre2 to make it on sprint, you think? Mar 08 21:08:29 i know you used to could do it with a modified 1.03 doctor for the pre Mar 08 21:08:41 the_justin: probably Mar 08 21:08:48 it's illegal though haha Mar 08 21:09:04 m0ngr31: so its the same CDMA hardware then. Mar 08 21:09:31 yeah a sprint cdma radio and a verizon one are the same, they just have different ESN numbers Mar 08 21:09:46 hmmm... i wonder how doable that is. Mar 08 21:09:55 Loudergood: yeah, they charge an arm and a leg, but they know what they're doing Mar 08 21:10:45 okay, redoctored back to 1.4.5 and bypassed activation on my sprint pre. what do i open to sign into my palm profile now? Mar 08 21:11:31 the_justin: http://clipze.com/hackerz/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=2 Mar 08 21:11:35 not sure how you would do it on a pixi though Mar 08 21:11:40 but like i said, it's illegal to do Mar 08 21:13:32 m0ngr31: i would probably be better off picking up a non activated pre for sprint and doing the swap that way then, huh. Mar 08 21:13:58 the_justin: yeah definately Mar 08 21:14:06 as long as the esn is good Mar 08 21:14:11 the_justin: comm board swapping a pixi doesn't carry the ESN / service with it Mar 08 21:14:16 unlike with pre Mar 08 21:14:41 Really. Well that shoots one idea then, Mar 08 21:14:59 the_justin: do you already have a pre2? Mar 08 21:15:15 destinal: is it even feasible to coms-board pixi to pre+? Mar 08 21:15:19 in fact, people who want to give their sprint pixies wifi just swap the comm board from a vzw pixi into their sprint pixi Mar 08 21:15:28 because the comm board just has the radios Mar 08 21:15:37 (and wifi stuff) Mar 08 21:15:42 Could someone help with Save/Restore? It is not loading on my Sprint Pre- with F105. It was installed via Preware and had worked in the past, but not since I had my phone replaced. It loads with all 4 categories blank. Funny thing is I used it to restore my phone. I tried uninstalling it and reinstalling it, and restarting Luna and the phone to no avail. Mar 08 21:16:01 m0ngr31: i have a friend sitting on one for me. Mar 08 21:16:16 don't let him sit on it Mar 08 21:16:20 it might break :D Mar 08 21:16:36 with a glass screen? hardly. Mar 08 21:16:38 the_justin: lucky Mar 08 21:17:05 m0ngr31: im still paying the full 450, he just had the disposable income at the time and i didnt. Mar 08 21:17:15 m0ngr31: if you want to give a sprint pixi wifi, you just swap comm a vzw pixi+ comm board into it. it stays provisioned on Sprint just as it was Mar 08 21:17:19 ... Mar 08 21:17:31 HP said i didn't qualify for the developer pre2, so we'll see how long my current pre lasts Mar 08 21:17:39 destinal, I wanted the pre form factor Mar 08 21:17:40 man i need a new pre .. i thought f105 was just a place holder ? meaning you can't install it Mar 08 21:17:57 F105 is full on afaik Mar 08 21:18:14 PatrickC: yeah, the pre and pixi comm boards are physically and electrically incompatble Mar 08 21:18:19 so no swap there Mar 08 21:18:29 :'( Mar 08 21:18:36 I guess I'll just have to wait Mar 08 21:18:59 PatrickC: sprint pre's can be found very cheaply right now Mar 08 21:19:06 I know Mar 08 21:19:08 just swap comm boards from pre- to pre+ Mar 08 21:19:14 PatrickC: i got my last pre for $20 Mar 08 21:19:23 it's pretty beat up though Mar 08 21:19:27 I don't feel like buying one and paying the extra $10 a month Mar 08 21:19:49 PatrickC: you have to pay it even if you just switch one device out for another? Mar 08 21:19:54 yep Mar 08 21:19:55 PatrickC: i didn't have to pay and i activated about 2 weeks ago Mar 08 21:20:02 upgrade of any kind I thought Mar 08 21:20:19 one of my friends went from a hero to a pre and he didn't pay either Mar 08 21:20:33 even an ESN-swap to same device type i heard was gonna incur the extra $10/mo Mar 08 21:20:33 hm.. Mar 08 21:20:46 i thought the only exemptions would be TEP-swaps Mar 08 21:20:58 i asked them about it before i activated and they said my device didn't qualify Mar 08 21:21:18 same with my friend Mar 08 21:21:54 any smartphone I thought Mar 08 21:22:34 that's what i thought too, but we got off Mar 08 21:22:48 i can post the transcript if you'd like Mar 08 21:22:58 na that's fine Mar 08 21:23:03 I might look into it Mar 08 21:23:15 I might be getting a pre2 as well Mar 08 21:23:18 I thought it was only new devices Mar 08 21:23:45 hmm. I'm gonna have to talk with sprint Mar 08 21:24:18 bbl Mar 08 21:24:45 so i'm doctoring my test pre with the original tokens to see if that helps with the battery charging Mar 08 21:25:37 sounds like fun. Mar 08 21:29:12 can somebody /ctcp joeb_ version Mar 08 21:29:15 the radio board swap looks easy for a pixi. Mar 08 21:29:15 what does it say ? Mar 08 21:29:41 [15:27] CTCP VERSION reply from joeb_: xchat 2.8.8 Ubuntu Mar 08 21:29:48 ugh Mar 08 21:30:48 joeb_: i got 2 replies Mar 08 21:30:51 [03:28pm] [joeb_ VERSION reply]: xchat 2.8.8 Ubuntu Mar 08 21:30:58 and now what ? Mar 08 21:30:58 [03:28pm] [joeb_ Now reply]: what do we do ? Mar 08 21:31:10 yea im trying to change it Mar 08 21:31:26 the next question is, if someone swaps the VZW board into a sprint pixi, and get wifi running, would FreeTether work on it. Mar 08 21:31:41 sometimes i need to ask ubuntu questions in ubuntu but there so busy so i want to go to a #linux chan or whatever .. they ctcp me and tell me to go back to #ubuntu Mar 08 21:31:42 lol Mar 08 21:31:55 the_justin: considering PuffTheMagic uses a sprint pixi with vzw comm board in it, I would guess that yes, FreeTether will work :) Mar 08 21:32:23 alright then. That makes me want to do this. the reason i picked the pre over the pixi was the wifi capabilities. Mar 08 21:33:31 Can anyone offer some save/Restore help? Mar 08 21:36:04 rotfl Mar 08 21:36:10 well both of you guys! Mar 08 21:36:11 dosen't matter Mar 08 21:37:03 Ron001: something above & beyond http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:SaveRestore ? Mar 08 21:37:20 the one last question about the vzw pixi boardswap is how do i do updates? would they just OTA like a VZW pixi? Mar 08 21:38:30 the_justin: i doubt very much that there will be any more OTA updates available for legacy devices Mar 08 21:38:50 djwhitey- nothing ? Mar 08 21:39:00 sorry, I noticed you back Mar 08 21:39:04 m0ngrl31: of course, but if i get one and it isnt 1.4.5 would it OTA to 1.4.5 you think? Mar 08 21:39:06 djwhitey: if there is something in there about it not loading, I'll go back and look Mar 08 21:39:12 so does anyone know how difficult it would be to take something i wrote in javascript and turn it into an app? Mar 08 21:39:17 the_justin: just doctor it Mar 08 21:39:26 but which doctor Mar 08 21:39:38 i'm guessing sprint would work fine Mar 08 21:39:58 i dont think so, because the sprint pixi doctor wouldnt have the wifi programming Mar 08 21:40:04 but i've never tried it. maybe i should get a verizon board and try it in my wife's pixi Mar 08 21:40:15 if she'd let me lol Mar 08 21:40:47 joeb_: boo! Mar 08 21:41:07 s/b/B Mar 08 21:42:00 LOl djwhitey Mar 08 21:42:07 i just wanted to do version Mar 08 21:42:08 :D Mar 08 21:42:48 the_justin: http://www.precentral.net/sprint-palm-pixi-gets-wifi-radio-board-swap Mar 08 21:42:56 oOoo are you seeing the others as well? when I did TIME, it sent me back my name Mar 08 21:43:05 s/name/nick Mar 08 21:43:25 that's weird...there's no wiki page on it? Mar 08 21:43:27 m0ngr31: i watched that already, he said he just doesnt have sprint nav Mar 08 21:44:16 you can extract sprint nav from the rom and install it manually Mar 08 21:44:59 of course. but that still means we are using the VZW doctor instead of the sprint onwe Mar 08 21:45:31 I'm betting you want to use meta dr Mar 08 21:46:27 USERINFO Mar 08 21:46:29 hey all - is there a WebOS 2.* dist that skips network initialization for just wifi? Mar 08 21:46:47 i have my old pre in U Mar 08 21:46:52 ./scripts/meta-sprint-2.1.0 --wifi-only Mar 08 21:46:57 boqopod: yes. use the --wifi-only option with meta-doctor Mar 08 21:47:06 *USB icon Mar 08 21:47:11 ALL of the meta-scripts use it, not just the sprint one m0ngr31 Mar 08 21:47:31 djwhitey: yeah i know, i was just guessing he was using sprint :) Mar 08 21:47:40 boqopod: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_2_Upgrade#Step_3:_Run_device-specific_MetaDoctor_script Mar 08 21:48:01 you read my mind Whitey Mar 08 21:48:09 fuck Sprint Mar 08 21:48:10 third box with the dotted border, instructions above & below Mar 08 21:51:18 crap. Mar 08 21:51:49 well there goes that idea... Mar 08 21:52:11 the_justin: ? Mar 08 21:53:13 m0ngr31: 2.1 update on a non activate pre- and couldnt get palm profile to update, cant actiate profile on network on 1.4.5 to clear backup data and i dont want to pay for apps again. Mar 08 21:53:23 non activated Mar 08 21:53:34 so ill just wait for a while. Mar 08 21:53:48 lol Mar 08 21:54:42 broke my activated pre in a fight with my GF. Mar 08 21:55:27 why did you do that? Mar 08 21:55:36 it was such a stupid reason, too. Mar 08 21:55:56 always is Mar 08 21:56:13 lol Mar 08 21:56:40 i complained that she was always texting people, even when we were having us time, and she said i always check my comics, so i snapped the phone and said problem fixed. i only checked my comics once a day. Mar 08 21:56:59 LOL Mar 08 21:57:10 my gf ran over hers with her car cause zhe left it on the hood when she pulled out of the drive way and drove over it when she came back up the driveway to check the house for her phone... Mar 08 21:57:44 so no im gonna try and get the insurance to replace it with a pixi. Mar 08 21:57:47 now Mar 08 21:57:48 i dropped my first pre in a cup of water because i was high on medicine once. i was so pissed Mar 08 21:57:51 if i cant get a pre Mar 08 21:58:14 justin - the whole *using the phone when you're with your significant other crap is a joke - women bitch about it cause they want to be the center of attention - but when you put YOUR phone down - they will use theirs and then they say - it's not the same thing.. Mar 08 21:58:36 my first pre i had to return in a week, becaus the headset bug for phone calls, before i checked forums. Mar 08 21:58:37 m0ngr31: i dropped my first pre in a urinal once. talk about pissed. Mar 08 21:58:40 I'm waiting to get the pre 3 Mar 08 21:58:53 djwhitey: haha Mar 08 21:59:15 boqopod: thats why im angry with her. she spends all her time texting people when shes near me and then bitches that we dont spend time together Mar 08 21:59:18 justin - I've used to headset bug to keep my warranty fresh for 2 years Mar 08 21:59:35 if my pre keeps crapping out like it has been, i might have to get the arrive :( Mar 08 21:59:42 boqopod: what's the headset bug? Mar 08 22:00:01 m0ngr31: the pre thinking it has a headset plugged in so the earpiece doesnt work Mar 08 22:00:26 its technically a hardware defect acorsing to sprint. Mar 08 22:00:31 that's part of the problem mine has... the earpiece doesn't work half the time Mar 08 22:00:32 according Mar 08 22:00:54 destinal, pydoctor git HEAD on a6c66c36c71588aebc736d45232abb4661ed487a? Mar 08 22:00:57 Justin - how do you get it to do that?? i only tell them i can't hear unless it's in speakerphone Mar 08 22:01:16 * rwhitby reminds folks that this is a development channel - offtopic discussion should happen in #webos-watercooler Mar 08 22:01:34 rwhitby: or #webos if it's device specific talk Mar 08 22:01:40 destinal: exactly Mar 08 22:01:43 destinal, and your httpunzip head on 4f966896ed0b4d7b444fe7f91f5cdfafbc7af338? Mar 08 22:01:48 PuffTheMagic: let me check Mar 08 22:02:19 boqopod: one of the common sprint employees at my local store is a Palm enthusiast. he knows all of the problems and fixes problems for pre/pixi users Mar 08 22:02:22 PuffTheMagic: what command checks this? Mar 08 22:02:30 git log would do it Mar 08 22:02:31 git status just says what branch Mar 08 22:02:54 or v Mar 08 22:02:56 cat .git/refs/heads/master Mar 08 22:02:57 PuffTheMagic: httpunzip commit 4274f07a14e8707894f92247ce1167fc479252e2 Mar 08 22:03:21 destinal, git pull Mar 08 22:03:25 PuffTheMagic: pydoctor commit a6c66c36c71588aebc736d45232abb4661ed487a Mar 08 22:03:35 oh shit Mar 08 22:03:41 maybe i didnt push ;) Mar 08 22:03:42 Already up-to-date. Mar 08 22:03:48 heh Mar 08 22:04:02 2 files changed, 5 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-) Mar 08 22:04:03 kk Mar 08 22:04:43 PuffTheMagic: ./installNovacom.py results in an immediate installer popup. score. Mar 08 22:05:36 I wish it was significant;y easier for non coding types to put 2.* on pre plus's Mar 08 22:06:18 If I'm NOT using my Pre+ with any carrier and JUST using available Wifi - is there a "best" meta-doc for me to use? Mar 08 22:06:53 boqopod: its about as easy as it can get now. is this a stock pre+? Mar 08 22:07:10 yes - stock Pre+ from Verizon Mar 08 22:07:20 ./scripts/meta-verizon-preplus-2.1.0 --wifi-only Mar 08 22:07:44 here is my situation ok .. i have 2 lines on ATT right .. my pre broke and im thinking of switching to verizon for pre2 i need a phone now .. 1 line is the soon to be ex wife and 1 is mine .. should i just cancel my line .. and go to verizon ? Mar 08 22:07:44 it reset when I got my new Pre+ connected and logged into Palm Profile - and then just Hung for an hour Mar 08 22:08:12 No Joeb_ Mar 08 22:08:13 all you need. itll be wifi only and will work fine. Mar 08 22:08:24 thanks Justin Mar 08 22:08:28 no what ? boqopod Mar 08 22:08:37 boqopod: use recovery mode if you hit issues Mar 08 22:08:37 Joeb_ wait for the pre3 - get a prepaid phone and wait Mar 08 22:08:43 0_o Mar 08 22:08:45 thanks Justin Mar 08 22:08:54 boqopod- palms track record is that pre3 probably won't be out for a while Mar 08 22:09:08 not worth being tied into a 2 year VZW contract with a Pre2 Mar 08 22:09:15 I know Joeb Mar 08 22:09:15 joeb_ : Palms is, HPs isnt. Mar 08 22:09:20 hence why I said get a prepaid plan Mar 08 22:09:24 the_justin- i know that Mar 08 22:09:37 how do you use pre-paid i have never used it ? Mar 08 22:09:41 always been on contract Mar 08 22:09:47 is it like metro-pcs ? Mar 08 22:09:57 joeb_: why not pick up a new GSM pre-pixi and use the sim? Mar 08 22:10:04 or a gsm pre2? Mar 08 22:10:38 Justin - he doesn't want to extend his Sprint contract though - won't that extend it? Mar 08 22:10:39 the_justin- im going to ebay right now .. i need something like $200 or less im starting fresh :D im not balling out of control Mar 08 22:10:44 or will he be month to month Mar 08 22:11:30 bqopod: he said ATT, which is GSM instead of a sprint contract Mar 08 22:11:44 or go to sprint :D Mar 08 22:12:01 joeb_: you can get ANY GSM phone and use your sprint card. Mar 08 22:12:06 att not sprint Mar 08 22:13:09 man Mar 08 22:13:35 im going thru webos withdrawls .. my family / friends let me use there phones and i keep swyping up 0_o Mar 08 22:13:53 yeah - I'm VZW - and I love the coverage and the fact that I'm a VIP and know all the people in my local store - so no reason to switch to Sprint - but by the number's Sprint is more bang for the buck.. Mar 08 22:14:44 well, ima take off. thanks for the talk guys. Mar 08 22:14:44 my only point is that it would be better to wait and get the Pre3 and don't bother with the Pre 2 - cause it's not - IMO - a major upgrade from the Pre+ Mar 08 22:15:01 l8r Justin - tx 4 the help Mar 08 22:15:09 i know its not a major update Mar 08 22:15:13 ugh! Mar 08 22:15:54 it's not worth it - if you have an at&t pre - get t-mobile or a prepaid using a new sim card and wait for the pre3 Mar 08 22:16:56 PuffTheMagic: installation worked btw (not unexpected I imagine) Mar 08 22:19:04 ya it works for me too Mar 08 22:19:15 now just need to figure out what to do with jar urls Mar 08 22:19:55 Puff - you ever get the tether app finished that you were working on? (justwondering) Mar 08 22:22:12 PuffTheMagic: you could make your json file and just put it in git for now, access it raw via the gitweb Mar 08 22:22:36 later we could put it in a proper place alongside feeds etc Mar 08 22:22:47 boqopod, it will never be done, always features to add, but i plan on getting 1.0 out by next week as I will be off of school and have some free time Mar 08 22:22:53 destinal, true Mar 08 22:23:10 destinal, i guess i only ever need the WR doctors right? Mar 08 22:23:17 awesome guys Mar 08 22:23:54 PuffTheMagic: for installing novacom, yes, but for other metadoc type stuff we need many / various doctors Mar 08 22:24:44 right im just talking about the installer righr now Mar 08 22:26:24 http://cgi.ebay.com/Palm-Pre-Plus-AT-T-Slightly-Used-Black-/330536390660?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item4cf5811004 Mar 08 22:26:28 what do you think Mar 08 22:26:48 ugh no touchstone Mar 08 22:27:15 no touchstone... ehhh.. i never use my touchstone... Mar 08 22:27:42 I get why people like it - but.... it depends on usage - and at my local radio shack a touchstone kit is $15 Mar 08 22:28:27 car one is awesome, but other than that it's just kind of neat Mar 08 22:28:53 Louder - what do you mean by "car one" Mar 08 22:29:07 I've installed one in my car Mar 08 22:29:17 Joeb_ - i would never pay more than $80 for a used AT&T Pre+ Mar 08 22:29:32 it's nice to have Mar 08 22:29:38 boqopod- mine was $0.00 i got it referbished Mar 08 22:29:48 Louder - i thought you meant like a Stone made just for the car lol Mar 08 22:29:57 lol that'd be nice Mar 08 22:30:09 but it works great, just needed a little more adhesive for the bottom Mar 08 22:30:31 then I mounted it with the usb coming out the bottom Mar 08 22:30:39 there should be a flat stone - about the size of the Pre3 specs - that sits on your dash Mar 08 22:33:15 PuffTheMagic: the installer really only needs the 2.1.0 WR doctor, right? that has the currently latest version of novacom for all but Linux Mar 08 22:33:27 Cygwin takes FOREVER Mar 08 22:34:32 is there a way to get apps that are available through the app store if I am using a WiFi only Pre+ usuing WebOS 2.*? Mar 08 22:36:25 boqopod: it's possible to set up wifi, wipe apps / data, and log-in to your palm profile over wifi, I think. I haven't tried it in 2.x yet Mar 08 22:37:09 your carrier and version number combination still have to be recognized by Palm to avoid the 9.9.9 version # issues Mar 08 22:38:02 the problem is that you can't use the phone at all - unless it's tied to a palm profile - which sucks - because I want to have all the apps I paid for on my WIFI only PDA Pre+ Mar 08 22:38:34 I'm paying for the apps - I should be allowed to use those apps on both devices... Mar 08 22:38:36 boqopod: you can use a palm profile without needing carrier Mar 08 22:38:59 right - my palm profile is being used for the Pre+ that's activated on VZW... Mar 08 22:39:13 my old Pre+ i want to use as Wifi only with WebOS 2.* Mar 08 22:39:15 boqopod: oh uh, regarding paid apps and not buying them twice, I don't know. Mar 08 22:39:47 boqopod: you can do that _and_ use a palm profile, just create a second one. you won't get your paid apps though Mar 08 22:39:58 at least, not the ones you've already bought Mar 08 22:40:09 haha score Mar 08 22:40:13 right - i knew that - but that defeated the purpose of keeping my old Pre+ lol Mar 08 22:40:19 destinal, think it works on windows Mar 08 22:40:29 PuffTheMagic: nice Mar 08 22:41:22 who in here has 64bit win7? Mar 08 22:41:49 me Mar 08 22:42:53 I have 64bit Windows 7 Starter Mar 08 22:43:03 on an HP VZW Netbook Mar 08 22:43:43 you should just grab the Win7 Pro USB torrent Mar 08 22:43:58 and run your comp from that Mar 08 22:44:14 i have win7 Mar 08 22:44:23 i need a tester for a novacom installer soon Mar 08 22:44:38 * halfhalo whistles Mar 08 22:44:44 so u need a 64bit comp Mar 08 22:45:16 PuffTheMagic: wait... your running 32bit?!? why?!? Mar 08 22:45:32 umm Mar 08 22:45:33 no Mar 08 22:45:40 halfhalo, im running 64bit Mar 08 22:45:42 good Mar 08 22:45:44 i've tested it on my box Mar 08 22:45:49 im gonna build an exe Mar 08 22:45:53 and i want a tester Mar 08 22:50:46 i can't test shit - I barely understand this whole Cygwin stuff.. Mar 08 22:51:14 I can enter what people tell me to enter at command lines.. and know what some of it means.. but I have to read it all step by tep.. Mar 08 22:51:15 no cygwin needed Mar 08 22:51:20 this is a double click installer Mar 08 22:51:26 I LOVE YOU PUFF Mar 08 22:51:42 I'm an artist and editor - NOT a coder lol Mar 08 23:07:15 ok so who wants to test this Mar 08 23:07:45 destinal, what sort of test could I do in windows that would test if the driver was installed properly Mar 08 23:09:40 nm Mar 08 23:11:11 PuffTheMagic: port 6968 Mar 08 23:11:17 127.0.0.1 Mar 08 23:11:27 should work on any OS Mar 08 23:11:37 i just raun novacom.exe -l Mar 08 23:11:39 that worked Mar 08 23:11:42 so i guess this works Mar 08 23:13:00 http://ompldr.org/vN3EydA/installNovacom.7z Mar 08 23:13:06 ^^ any takers? Mar 08 23:16:46 PuffTheMagic: ah, 64 bit only? Mar 08 23:17:11 ehh Mar 08 23:17:19 i installed 64bit python Mar 08 23:17:23 i wasnt thinking Mar 08 23:17:29 I git "is not a valid win32 application" Mar 08 23:17:29 i guess i could make the installer 32bit Mar 08 23:17:43 ya cause its not Mar 08 23:18:01 let me see if i can get 32 bit on here Mar 08 23:26:34 destinal, i can make a standalone with 32bit Mar 08 23:26:40 its uploading now Mar 08 23:27:59 http://ompldr.org/vN3EzNA/installNovacom.exe Mar 08 23:28:10 ^^^ "should" work on 32bit and 64bit windows Mar 08 23:28:46 please let me know how it works Mar 08 23:52:28 hola folks! Mar 08 23:53:37 quick q -- where does an app store settings (other than /media/internal and its dir in /media/cryptofs? Mar 08 23:55:37 ajay- yes Mar 08 23:55:44 there in /media/cryptofs Mar 08 23:55:53 joeb: other than that Mar 08 23:56:02 type this Mar 08 23:56:12 sudo find / -name "applications" Mar 08 23:56:26 you only have like 2 places Mar 08 23:56:28 I'm really confused, i doctored, and accidentally changed the size of /var, so /media/internal is _completely_ empty, but several apps have retained their settings.. (and this was 2.1 to 1.4.5, fwiw) Mar 08 23:56:56 as far as i know, those directories were all wiped, so settings must be in another spot Mar 08 23:57:53 oh settings for the app itself ? Mar 08 23:57:57 yes Mar 08 23:58:04 ajay there in save_restore if you have it installed Mar 08 23:58:11 ./media/internals/save_restore Mar 08 23:58:17 joeb: did you read what I wrote? Mar 08 23:58:18 i normally copy the folder to my hdd Mar 08 23:58:22 oh Mar 08 23:58:26 i mist be confused my bad Mar 08 23:58:31 s/mist/must Mar 08 23:59:06 ajay- wait for rwhitby or a expert to answer that one .. sorry i normally backup save_restore before i do anything 0_o Mar 09 00:01:08 joeb: me too, and i did, my question is just where else settings could be stored, if there's any location that the doctor wouldn't hit that i don't know about.. it's quite a mystery! Mar 09 00:01:35 yea Mar 09 00:01:54 paid apps or something .. or preware apps ? Mar 09 00:02:50 joeb: some preware apps, some official apps.. very strange.. Mar 09 00:02:58 yea Mar 09 00:06:12 away: have a look here http://en.m.webos-internals.org/wiki/Save_and_Restore?wasRedirected=true Mar 09 00:06:51 * bhuey needs parts for a frankenpre Mar 09 00:07:06 specifically: http://en.webos-internals.org/wiki/Save_and_Restore#Locations_of_Application_Data Mar 09 00:07:46 s/away/ajay Mar 09 00:08:28 Any navit users here? Mar 09 00:09:01 yup Mar 09 00:09:26 * djwhitey_pre tried it. didn't work out so well for US. old map data, city selection was wanting Mar 09 00:09:43 the city selection issue really is a problem Mar 09 00:10:02 I was wondering if anyone knows how to create skins for it.... Mar 09 00:10:02 wouldn't get a GPS lock either Mar 09 00:10:32 mine gets a gps lock, it's just slow at it Mar 09 00:11:17 it has it's issues, but I find it to be usable Mar 09 00:11:29 if you select a point on the map Mar 09 00:12:00 well well. it just grabbed a lock. that's what I get for talkin smack Mar 09 00:12:20 bhuey: me too! :) Mar 09 00:13:25 ajay: you see my second link about appdata? Mar 09 00:13:40 dj: oops missed that, ok will look Mar 09 00:13:42 thx! Mar 09 00:14:00 was just trying to read the saverestore src to figure it out, this looks easier:) Mar 09 00:15:42 just tried to find an example app whose settings has maintained through doctoring, govnah, but can't see its settings anywhere.. Mar 09 00:15:47 wow navit is looking a lot better today. too bad my neighborhood isn't on the map =( it's 5 yrs old too Mar 09 00:16:41 oh wait found it! /var/palm/data.. thanks dj! Mar 09 00:17:17 funny, I thought a doctor _completely_ wiped the device.. bad info all this time :) Mar 09 00:17:41 now that i see nothing weird is going on, to restore my pictures lost in the doctoring! :) Mar 09 00:18:40 no prob =) Mar 09 00:19:08 * ajay asks all to pray to the gods of testdisk/photorec (maemo binary-version) Mar 09 00:22:07 so does anyone know who to contact if I want to contribute a new gui to Navit? Mar 09 00:25:00 it's open source I think Mar 09 00:25:05 http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Main_Page#Improving_Navit.27s_Look Mar 09 00:25:25 is there a way to switch it to Imperial units? Mar 09 00:25:29 ajay: one source in the sfbay area had one device that was destroyed just before I was goign to drive over and look at it Mar 09 00:25:35 I have another source Mar 09 00:27:38 lol. Navit thinks I'm in the HOW lane (middle of freeway) Mar 09 00:27:51 s/HOW/HOV Mar 09 00:31:28 "If you want to use imperial, just add imperial="1" into your navit tag, i.e. " Mar 09 00:32:03 ah, user friendliness at its finest :p Mar 09 00:33:46 lol. true Mar 09 00:34:56 so anyone with windows want to test a novacom installer? Mar 09 00:36:22 PuffTheMagic: I can test it on wind for you later. what's the purpose though? dr./sdk installs it, right? Mar 09 00:36:43 just install novacom Mar 09 00:37:10 it uses a lib i made to pull the installer out of the jar over http without downloading the whole jar Mar 09 00:38:34 cool. /msg info to djwhitey & I'll give it a go when I get to my desk Mar 09 00:39:37 djwhitey, just ping me when u get to your desk and i will paste it in channel for others to see Mar 09 00:43:51 ajay: /var/db - db8 database Mar 09 00:45:57 rwhit: I already found the 1.4.5/2.1 app dir already thanks to dj, surprised this stuff doesn't get wiped during a dr tho! heh Mar 09 00:46:49 thx tho! i had this secret hope that maybe my photos weren't actually gone, but! looks like i do still have to find them.. :) Mar 09 00:47:30 * ajay needs new palm-official usb cables, mine are both going bad :( Mar 09 00:57:35 wend did pre2 get webos 2.1 ? i thought 2.1 was just for pre - and pre + Mar 09 00:57:42 i tought pre2 had webos 2.0 Mar 09 00:58:02 * ajay sighs.. its harder to take a binary from another platform then you may have thought! :^) Mar 09 00:58:13 http://twitpic.com/47mawc < -- pre2 Mar 09 00:58:29 rwhitby: who maintains the ipkg-opt packages? Mar 09 00:58:44 or.. maybe i should ask who contributes to it, and who can Mar 09 01:01:01 joeb: why would 2.1 be only for Pre -/+? Mar 09 01:01:26 ajay: it hadn't be released for pre2 yet Mar 09 01:01:45 trying to update my pre2 now Mar 09 01:03:00 sweet there it goes Mar 09 01:03:26 hopefully this means we'll see a public 2.1 sdk soon Mar 09 01:03:36 louder: yeah i'm aware it hadn't been released, but it seems logical that 2.1 or 2.2 would come to the pre2 as well Mar 09 01:03:47 2.1 on the pre2 is out official, or was that screenshot just an accident? Mar 09 01:03:58 (I mean, like 2.x showing up as avail for 1.4.5 devices) Mar 09 01:04:08 no it's official Mar 09 01:04:14 mine is updating right now Mar 09 01:04:25 oh Isee it on P|C Mar 09 01:04:31 the gsm one I got from dev days that is Mar 09 01:04:32 oh Palmcast is starting now, doh! Mar 09 01:04:40 I don't know about vzw ones Mar 09 01:05:32 next time i guess.. Mar 09 01:05:59 * rwhitby listens to PalmCast ... Mar 09 01:06:17 ajay: anyone can contribute. contact me to do so. Mar 09 01:07:08 rwhitby: i'm having trouble building testdisk/photorec and was wondering if anyone with a good build env could build it. Mar 09 01:07:19 i think these would be a good candidate for inclusion to ipkg-opt repo Mar 09 01:07:44 heh Mar 09 01:07:48 i got that pic off twitter :D Mar 09 01:08:04 * ajay wonders why joeb is all a-twitter Mar 09 01:08:28 :D Mar 09 01:08:33 i like following webos gurus Mar 09 01:09:10 yeah I follow a few Mar 09 01:09:21 swisstomcat is a twitter maniac though Mar 09 01:09:24 i follow to many Mar 09 01:09:31 but he always retweets good stuff Mar 09 01:09:33 * joeb_ feels like a stalker Mar 09 01:17:10 ok time to eat some food then.. paz! ;^) Mar 09 01:35:55 int[]- your from google ? Mar 09 01:36:14 joeb_: no, I'm just messing around with nicks (?) Mar 09 01:38:52 gah, wish my pre came soon Mar 09 01:39:00 yea Mar 09 01:39:19 wow google rocks! Mar 09 01:39:31 internalz Mar 09 01:40:00 :D Mar 09 01:40:12 djwhitey, you back? Mar 09 01:40:58 error when installing internalz on pixi plus verizon Mar 09 01:48:23 webos on xda .. man we might be getting hecka users now Mar 09 01:55:03 that means we will have to post on xda and pre-centeral Mar 09 01:58:50 joeb_: hopefully we'll get some additional ethical hackers, and not get the warez folks. Mar 09 01:59:04 I doubt that Mar 09 01:59:43 PuffTheMagic: all set now if you'd like me to try that novacom installer Mar 09 02:00:06 http://ompldr.org/vN3Ezdg/installNovacom.exe Mar 09 02:00:25 djwhitey, you on 32 or 64bit? Mar 09 02:01:14 32 Mar 09 02:01:31 my win7 environment already has it, so firing up virtual xp mode Mar 09 02:02:39 Stupid how xp mode doesnt work in home premium Mar 09 02:02:45 agreed Mar 09 02:03:38 I had driver trouble with some adapter so I spend a day downloading the xp mode Mar 09 02:03:46 Then tells me Im not applicable <.< Mar 09 02:10:11 rwhitby, being XDA we will get more warez than anything else, and unless there is a DMCA request issued the moderators dont do anything about it Mar 09 02:11:00 There is already warez so its gonna happen whether its on XDA or somewhere else Mar 09 02:11:34 I guess there will be threads of warez next to the webos-internals threads. Mar 09 02:12:16 rwhitby, you need 4 more posts so you can post links :D Mar 09 02:12:24 (on XDA) Mar 09 02:12:45 Lol I saw that Mar 09 02:13:30 Anyone else having trouble with user-defined profiles in Govnah? Mar 09 02:13:45 (on 2.1 with UK) Mar 09 02:13:56 Abyssul, Pre or Pre2? Mar 09 02:14:04 what version of govnah? Mar 09 02:14:07 Pre- Sprint Mar 09 02:14:11 Latest version Mar 09 02:14:20 not if you save as a new profile Mar 09 02:14:23 what kernel? Mar 09 02:14:24 what kernel? Mar 09 02:14:29 * djwhitey jinx Mar 09 02:14:47 UK-18 Mar 09 02:14:51 ok Mar 09 02:14:54 Govnah 7.24 Mar 09 02:15:03 0.7.24 (oops) Mar 09 02:15:13 Abyssul, it works for me Mar 09 02:15:13 is the OTA update safe for Sprint Pre 2's? Mar 09 02:15:30 rsanchez1, are you getting a OTA notification? Mar 09 02:15:33 The profile doesnt stick and refers back to 500/800 screenstate Mar 09 02:15:52 Also just had a "unknown" profile when I booted up Govnah Mar 09 02:15:56 Abyssul, idk then Mar 09 02:16:10 well I'm not getting a notification, but it is available from the system updates app Mar 09 02:16:23 it started downloading on its own, but I stopped it Mar 09 02:16:25 rsanchez1: I wouldnt update Mar 09 02:16:44 hmm...so a couple patches didn't like the upgrade from 2.0.1 to 2.1 Mar 09 02:16:51 rsanchez1, ping rwhitby and RichDunbar Mar 09 02:16:53 Talk about modem troubles... Mar 09 02:17:07 Loudergood: what ones? Mar 09 02:17:16 rsanchez1, did you use the new sprint pre 2 meta-script? Mar 09 02:17:31 yes Mar 09 02:17:37 actually looks like it's just the muffle system logging one Mar 09 02:17:59 rsanchez1, it is sopposed to work with OTA, you could be first tester :D Mar 09 02:18:39 haha, ok Mar 09 02:18:42 hmm Mar 09 02:18:54 I guess I'll try it Mar 09 02:18:59 appears I can't remove it either Mar 09 02:19:16 I can just use the metadoctor if anything breaks right? Mar 09 02:20:37 "And the plan is so cunning that it *may* even be OTA compatible - hopefully @palm will help us test that by releasing a 2.1.0 Pre 2 OTA soon" (from rwhitby on twitter RE: Sprint Pre2) Mar 09 02:21:05 backing up my data... Mar 09 02:21:28 http://pastebin.com/TLtV0mbS Mar 09 02:21:33 rsanchez1: it should be fine. backup is always a good plan Mar 09 02:22:08 alright, I'll report back as soon as I get a result Mar 09 02:22:44 SOoo Mar 09 02:22:51 Who has bets that his phone blows up? Mar 09 02:23:18 * scoutcamper bets it works great because rwhitby is a genious :D Mar 09 02:25:20 thank goodness preware was updated Mar 09 02:27:13 i bet it works flawlessly Mar 09 02:27:20 * djwhitey is an optimist Mar 09 02:27:40 I personally wait for others to test the OTA updates before I do it on my main phone. Mar 09 02:31:19 Let the peasants do the OTA update first! Mar 09 02:32:04 Plebs Mar 09 02:32:24 I prefer to call them "alpha testers" Mar 09 02:32:37 Lol Mar 09 02:32:58 I love being drone.... I mean alpha-tester Mar 09 02:33:09 Makes me feel important Mar 09 02:33:56 wow i haven't logged onto xda in years. looks so different Mar 09 02:34:14 rwhitby: Shouldn't you make a thread for the Pre 2 meta-doctored OTA update reports or do you think that a few success stories would be sufficient? Mar 09 02:34:28 Abyssul: testing is for users ;) Mar 09 02:34:55 uggg... xda Mar 09 02:36:19 rwhitby: Any clue why Preware goes in an infinite loop at "completed" when loading the feeds? It never goes to the menu. I have to restart the Pre. Mar 09 02:38:05 ooo you can switch from XDA 2010 to XDA "Classic" theme Mar 09 02:43:21 * oil waits for 2.1.0 sprint pre2 meta-script :) Mar 09 02:47:10 oil: done Mar 09 02:48:17 haha, in record time! :D Mar 09 02:49:08 * scoutcamper notes that the git now showes the update :D Mar 09 02:49:41 Abyssul: what does lumberjack say? Mar 09 02:49:51 Let me download that! :) Mar 09 02:50:03 Had to reboot pre to load Preware **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Mar 09 02:59:57 2011