**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Mar 09 02:59:57 2011 Mar 09 03:00:07 * djwhitey reboots Mar 09 03:01:52 wait, there's 2.1 for pre2 now? Mar 09 03:02:19 wow. that *was* quick Mar 09 03:18:33 hello from my sprint pre 2.1 Mar 09 03:19:26 well, good to know wirc works xD Mar 09 03:20:15 rsanchez1: glad Palm finally got that released. if it took much longer I was going to have to make a mutant hybrid doctor :) Mar 09 03:21:03 only found one little snag so far: after launching voice dialing once and closing it, it won't launch again Mar 09 03:21:14 voice and data are working fine Mar 09 03:22:28 great work from webOS Internals making this OTA-safe, thanks! Mar 09 03:27:42 rwhitby: Alright, I got the Lumberjack errors Mar 09 03:28:08 lumberjack has errors? Mar 09 03:28:20 Too much deforestation. Mar 09 03:28:24 No, errors for Preware displayed by Lumberjack :p Mar 09 03:28:35 ah Mar 09 03:28:36 I guess I couldve worded that better Mar 09 03:28:47 preware has errors? Mar 09 03:28:51 i was like "i thought i turned off all logging in lumberjack so it doesnt interfere with other stuff" Mar 09 03:29:47 Preware is throwing Exception errors at Lumberjack. Preware just sits at the Complete screen with the rotating circle. Mar 09 03:30:14 i thought that got fixed? Mar 09 03:30:40 * oil brb food Mar 09 03:31:18 rwhitby: running 1.5.4 on 2.1 Sprint pre- with UK-18 Mar 09 03:31:25 Preware 1.5.4 Mar 09 03:32:48 Abyssul: webos.pastebin.com the errors Mar 09 03:33:43 djwhitey, ompload it Mar 09 03:33:57 PuffTheMagic: error w/ insatllNovacom.exe on my virtualXP machine. "This application has failed to start because the application configuration is incorrect. Reinstalling the application may fix this problem." Mar 09 03:35:42 DCC never works w/ anyone i try with Mar 09 03:35:46 djwhitey, not sre what that means Mar 09 03:36:45 rwhitby: http://pastebin.com/DUnwCGec Mar 09 03:37:25 Abyssul: nothing after that? Mar 09 03:37:31 Nope Mar 09 03:37:38 I cleared the log, ran Preware Mar 09 03:37:40 oil: I wonder if a parse exception on the very last package causes us not to stop Mar 09 03:37:53 It loads fine sometimes Mar 09 03:38:00 and other times it messes up Mar 09 03:38:25 the ^I in the patches icon we should be able to fix Mar 09 03:38:33 PuffTheMagic: http://oi51.tinypic.com/zy8u4x.jpg Mar 09 03:39:11 * rwhitby bbl Mar 09 03:51:40 hey has anyone tried the bt-uart functionality of webos 2? Mar 09 03:53:08 theres a device for it in /dev/uart, but i haven't seen any docs for it (presumably they are in the webos 2 sdk, but thats not open access yet Mar 09 04:28:30 Interesting package in the 2.1.0 OTA update: pmmodemqxdmlogger.ipk Mar 09 04:29:24 and resizefat.ipk Mar 09 04:30:53 fancy Mar 09 04:32:25 Here guys an icon for your webOS folder. (Preview: http://snpr.cm/kui ) Download: http://tinyurl.com/webos-win and http://tinyurl.com/webos-mac Mar 09 04:32:53 * Templarian wanders back off into the shadows. Mar 09 04:40:52 looks like the update ipkgs are available in /media/internal/.save_for_software_update at the end of the unpacking step Mar 09 04:46:16 rwhitby: where are you thinking it fails on the last package at? Mar 09 04:51:51 rwhitby have you seen/played with btuart? Mar 09 04:52:50 oil: maybe in the loop which exits the "i've got all the data from the service" Mar 09 04:54:32 * halfhalo is willing to bet its due to a try/catch not having the proper escape logic in the catch Mar 09 04:59:08 but it gets to complete Mar 09 05:00:21 and right after it does complete, it tries to load saved packages Mar 09 05:00:34 :) Mar 09 05:04:06 * oil throws a bunch of try/catches in there Mar 09 05:06:24 good man! Mar 09 05:10:09 * dtzWill hands oil some duct tape Mar 09 05:10:12 O:) Mar 09 05:12:52 * oil pushed code someone stuck at "complete" should test Mar 09 05:13:23 im not stuck there so i can't test if that fixes it or what log it now provides Mar 09 05:14:13 hm, hey oil: exhibition mode! in 2.1 did it completely toss away rotation support? or have you not looked at it much since putting in the Govnah mode Mar 09 05:14:40 i haven't Mar 09 05:14:54 ill see if it still rotates here Mar 09 05:15:41 I've 'seen' that it rotated previously, but now... It doesn't. Mar 09 05:15:48 hay Mar 09 05:16:01 It also used to let you change the background on the time mode, but that's gone too. Seems like weird things to drop out, personally. Mar 09 05:17:04 exhibition? Mar 09 05:17:06 well, thats sad, it doesn't rotate anymore Mar 09 05:17:12 they must have changed exhibition mode Mar 09 05:17:19 :( Mar 09 05:17:39 I noticed looking at the LS2 output that it's actively disabling the accelerometers... But I'd imagine that's something easy to patch out Mar 09 05:17:39 oil, you submitted code? does that mean the builders are back? Mar 09 05:17:40 * PatrickC_Pre could we change the code? Mar 09 05:18:10 * oil submits code weather builders are working or not :) Mar 09 05:18:19 i didnt know they were broken Mar 09 05:18:35 s/weather/whether/ Mar 09 05:18:51 oil: they are not Mar 09 05:18:54 * PatrickC_Pre waves hello Mar 09 05:19:08 still? Mar 09 05:19:16 I'm listning to PalmCasr for the first time :) Mar 09 05:19:19 * oil couldn't spell if his life depended on it Mar 09 05:19:22 Att ALL: http://theoatmeal.com/comics/misspelling Mar 09 05:19:38 oil ^ Mar 09 05:19:56 i know, i can't spell Mar 09 05:20:07 hehe no worries i just spelled weird as wired like 5min ago huh halfhalo? Mar 09 05:21:18 how is everyone? Mar 09 05:21:49 * rwhitby does a webOS 2.1.0 on his dev Pre 2. Mar 09 05:22:17 rwhitby: are you scripting it? Mar 09 05:22:32 * PatrickC_Pre wishes he would get an email back about his dev pre2 Mar 09 05:23:17 ~log Mar 09 05:23:19 it has been said that log is located at http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/webos-internals/ and the latest log is located at http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/webos-internals.txt Mar 09 05:23:57 Jack87: scripting what? Mar 09 05:24:16 webos 2.1.0 for pre2? or is it official now? Mar 09 05:24:29 OTA and doctor. official. Mar 09 05:24:35 oh wow cool Mar 09 05:24:49 http://m.precentral.net/webos-2-1-released-pre-2-exhibition-mode-tow Mar 09 05:24:51 :) Mar 09 05:24:52 that answer that :-) Mar 09 05:24:56 just testing on dev device before I do my real device Mar 09 05:25:17 the PalmCast people are funny :p Mar 09 05:26:52 oil: looking at it, the files still have everything set up for rotation support... I think Mar 09 05:26:58 if i want to catch up on palmcast are there like mp4 or m3u files or something to listen to to catch up ? Mar 09 05:27:22 I use FeedReader Mar 09 05:27:44 Just use DrPodder Mar 09 05:28:16 joeb_, use doctor podder for the pre... or you can download the mp3 as well (i think its an mp3) Mar 09 05:28:38 * Jack87 stopped doing palmcast live when he started going back to school Mar 09 05:28:41 Jack87- im pre less right now Mar 09 05:28:55 joeb_, ya they have a download for your computer Mar 09 05:29:58 i found it Mar 09 05:38:42 wish I knew what some of this stuff was... XT9 (T9 support?), com.palm.service.mediabroadcast, what screen-lock-shutdown-off.png is for...~ Mar 09 05:39:19 found where? Mar 09 05:39:34 the O2 Pre+ doctor Mar 09 05:40:05 I don't play with the inerds of the doctors :p Mar 09 05:41:57 obviously :p Mar 09 05:42:05 :) Mar 09 06:02:49 anyone have -any- idea where the actual dockmode/exhibition stuff lives? Mar 09 06:03:06 in NDA? Mar 09 06:03:37 on device, dingdong Mar 09 06:03:48 in the photos app? Mar 09 06:04:04 and agenda? Mar 09 06:04:19 those are all just dockmode apps, not dockmode itself Mar 09 06:04:41 I don't know about dockmode itself Mar 09 06:07:04 anyone know what exactly Triton is? Mar 09 06:07:25 triton was the original node service system they made for the facebook app Mar 09 06:07:42 ah. it's still kicking around in a lot of places Mar 09 06:09:59 where are you hiding, dockmode @_@ Mar 09 06:11:15 well, my palmcast is over Mar 09 06:11:17 night Mar 09 08:40:17 some people just dont like trannies Mar 09 08:40:28 what can you do? Mar 09 08:50:05 sconix: ping Mar 09 08:55:43 noradtux, can I ask you something Mar 09 08:55:58 m-h-k: yes Mar 09 08:56:21 I was curious on how you got gps working in navit on webos 2.1.0 -- did Palm/HP fix this for PDK apps or did you find a workaround? Mar 09 08:57:17 I am asking b/c I understood previously there was a permission issue in webOS 2.0.1 for PDK apps being unable to access GPS data Mar 09 08:58:33 (you are the navit guy, aren't you?) Mar 09 09:05:49 well, there still is a permissions-issue, but since I now have a device with 2.1.0 on it I found out how to override the automatism Mar 09 09:07:16 I suppose that override would only be allowed for homebrew, but not for official app catalog PDK apps? Mar 09 09:08:27 then the ,method I used on 1.4.5 doesn't work anymore (the interface I used wasn't exactly intended for that it seems). So I did a new one for 2.x which in turn doesn't work on 1.4.5. So now I have two methods in there depending on which webOs version Mar 09 09:09:04 @ all: Anyone with 2.1.0 on Pre2 noticing bad battery-life? Mar 09 09:09:28 Mine is draining 10% per hour, even with all the usual suspects tuned off Mar 09 09:09:40 s/tuned/turned/ Mar 09 09:09:41 noradtux meant: Mine is draining 10% per hour, even with all the usual suspects turned off Mar 09 09:10:20 btw, was that 2.1.0 on Pre2 or 2.0.1 on Pre2? Mar 09 09:10:36 my 2.1 pre has EGR valve problems Mar 09 09:11:16 destrudo: EGR? Mar 09 09:11:54 Exhaust gas recirculation Mar 09 09:12:28 every time the pistons cycle, it's supposed to open Mar 09 09:12:31 but it doesn't Mar 09 09:12:43 err .. okay Mar 09 09:12:50 please help Mar 09 09:12:51 lol Mar 09 09:12:55 haha Mar 09 09:12:58 destrudo: it must suck at overclocking :P Mar 09 09:13:09 well I can get to 6k rpm Mar 09 09:14:08 I miss the pre, where it met no emissions standards Mar 09 09:14:51 destrudo: what stuff are you on.. or are you inhaling the exhausts? ;) Mar 09 09:15:34 I ate some otter from this chinese restaurant that kept giving me martian lager Mar 09 09:16:39 * rwhitby points to the topic, and invites offtopic discussion to use #webos-watercooler Mar 09 09:17:14 yeah yeah Mar 09 09:17:16 buzzkiller Mar 09 09:17:44 * destrudo pets his webos 1.0 device and wishes that there was life on mars Mar 09 09:24:39 hi Mar 09 13:21:10 where are the postremove scripts stored? Mar 09 13:21:46 I created a bad postremove script and now I can't uninstall the app, so I have to replace the postremove script Mar 09 13:25:37 any ideas? Mar 09 13:31:10 found it, thanks to Linux-"find" Mar 09 13:31:19 they're located in "/media/cryptofs/apps/usr/lib/ipkg/info" Mar 09 14:06:12 heyho Mar 09 16:26:20 Hi everyone Mar 09 16:41:19 noradtux hape, I finally traveled far enough to warrant testing navit... works! thanks so much :) Mar 09 17:08:31 RagingMind: You'r welcome :-) Mar 09 17:16:06 RagingMind: :) Mar 09 17:32:22 bah, i really want agenda exhibition to work properly -.- Mar 09 17:33:10 doesn't seem to want to show just a single calendar, insists on showing all events from all calendars, even if my calendar app ignores them :( Mar 09 17:54:52 life is sucking without my pre Mar 09 17:54:55 im not connected Mar 09 17:54:57 0_o Mar 09 18:30:07 joeb_ : what happened to your Pre? Mar 09 18:31:11 ah, Pre + broke Mar 09 18:31:48 Can the radioboard from a CDMA Palm Pre+ be swapped into a Developer UMTS Palm Pre 2 to make a VZW Palm Pre 2? Mar 09 18:34:42 latest linphone please. palm pre on draytel.org Mar 09 18:43:37 Can the radioboard from a CDMA Palm Pre+ be swapped into a Developer UMTS Palm Pre 2 to make a VZW Palm Pre 2? Mar 09 18:44:07 jerryGuy, no need to ask over and over, and yes as long as it is a VZW board, you can put it in a Pre2 Mar 09 18:44:20 the Pre- Pre+ and Pre2 all use the exact same comms boards Mar 09 18:44:39 Awesome, so after I run the docotor it will be exactly like i have a VZW Pre 2 Mar 09 18:44:47 and please, only ask questions once... I was literally typing your answer when you decided it would be best to ask again less than 15 minutes later Mar 09 18:44:58 you will need to do some doctor work with the tokens Mar 09 18:45:04 Sorry thought nobody heard me Mar 09 18:45:14 in order to have your modem SN etc be correct Mar 09 18:45:28 it is IRC... there is no "hearing" it is all text, anyone can look up and read at any time Mar 09 18:45:47 but you will need to swap the modem tokens into the new phone Mar 09 18:47:00 Is there a guide to how to extract the tokens? Mar 09 18:48:33 start with reading the meta-doctor documentation Mar 09 18:49:23 NuttyBunny- it got broke in an argument Mar 09 18:49:24 boooo Mar 09 18:50:30 if I managed to do it, anyone can Mar 09 18:55:45 ATT won't cover physical damage Mar 09 18:57:15 cryptk: Wouldn't the tokens be restored by using the Verizon Pre 2 Doctor because the radioboard would be a VZW Pre+ Board? Mar 09 18:58:24 no Mar 09 18:58:33 the tokens are not normally overwritten by the doctor Mar 09 18:58:51 you need to edit the roadrunner.xml in order to add in the overwritten tokens Mar 09 18:59:02 use a standard comm swap procedure Mar 09 19:25:50 Yay! Approved for a Dev Pre2 finally Mar 09 19:26:00 etx-: when did you email? :B Mar 09 19:26:11 like three weeks ago heh Mar 09 19:26:45 I emailed them to ask if they would notify me if I were not approved Mar 09 19:27:00 hah Mar 09 19:27:10 and they finally budged and emailed back? Mar 09 19:27:14 and they resopnded and said I was already approved and should have gotten an email about it but i never did Mar 09 19:27:23 oh boy :p Mar 09 19:27:33 he said it would be in the mail already but they ran out heh Mar 09 19:27:40 sometimes I really wonder about them! Mar 09 19:27:43 waiting on a new shipment Mar 09 19:27:45 yeah Mar 09 19:27:55 seems like everyone gets a different story Mar 09 19:27:58 yup Mar 09 19:28:30 I still have my launch day Pre-, it's not going to last much longer heh Mar 09 19:28:31 I haven't heard anything back at all, I've heard of some devs getting confirmed who emailed on the 18th and 19th (I emailed the 15th) Mar 09 19:29:04 I emailed chuq about it and he fwd it to the new guys Mar 09 19:29:08 maybe that helped Mar 09 19:29:40 I didnt realize it was a different address at first heh Mar 09 19:30:08 yeah, I dropped him an email too and he said he'd forward it for me Mar 09 19:30:31 I'm working on an audio based app, hard to test on the emulator with no sound but the pre2 will be a huge help Mar 09 19:30:49 yeah, that's what I don't get really. The previous team had experience dealing with the Pre+ program, so why move it over to another team? @_@ Mar 09 19:40:17 As far as I know the new "team" just filters the emails to the previous team (about the free devices) :) Mar 09 19:40:43 still, I haven't had a concrete answer about my Pre 2, it seems I'm qualified but I don't know anything else :S Mar 09 19:41:03 NuttyBunny: same here Mar 09 19:41:17 response time varies from 3-10 days Mar 09 19:41:44 * NuttyBunny checks his email Mar 09 19:42:46 on Feb. 21, I was "qualified"... and after that just silence :( Mar 09 19:44:06 It's funny, I keep lowering the 500Mhz CPU voltage on my Plus and it hasn't crashed... and I'm at 975mV (it says) Mar 09 19:44:40 ok, there, I hit the spot... it crashed at 950 Mar 09 19:45:55 heh Mar 09 19:46:03 man I haven't heard ANYTHING and I emailed on the 15th Mar 09 19:46:24 sent another email on the 2nd asking why I hadn't heard anything from the email on the 15th Mar 09 19:46:33 and now it's the 8th :/ Mar 09 19:46:44 SineOt: they're not operating FIFO Mar 09 19:46:48 read the forums Mar 09 19:47:31 Lichtlos: which forum? Mar 09 19:48:52 SineOt: http://developer.palm.com/distribution/index.php Mar 09 19:49:16 I saw that chuqui mentioned they aren't doing things strictly FIFO, but when a dev writes on the 15th, and hears nothing for 3 weeks, while devs emailing a week later get a response in a few days... Doesn't exactly paint a very good picture Mar 09 19:51:09 SineOt: maybe they go "inbox-zero" :D Mar 09 19:52:06 inbox-zero? XD Mar 09 19:52:20 All that makes me think of is that they just wipe the inbox from time to time Mar 09 19:52:57 which is my idea of inbox zero? Mar 09 19:53:08 corect me if I got that wrong Mar 09 19:53:51 I've never heard the term, so your idea is as a good as mine :] Mar 09 19:54:09 :) Mar 09 19:54:29 SineOt: seriously, If you feel ignored, write them. but once :D Mar 09 19:56:27 Lichtlos: I did... A week ago. :p Mar 09 19:56:35 We'll see how it goes. Mar 09 20:01:57 anybody have a copy of the latest linphone alpha? Mar 09 20:40:15 SineOt: They never sent me an answer, but had already sent my info to processing to have one sent out. lets hope the same thing happened in your case Mar 09 20:40:38 etx-: if they did do that, I'd have loved to at least heard about it Mar 09 20:40:46 communication is vital Mar 09 20:41:06 makes people feel involved instead of, well, in the dark! Mar 09 20:56:06 hi... can anyone help with the webos 2 upgrade? Mar 09 20:56:35 jomama: have you read the wiki page? (twice is better) Mar 09 20:57:00 jomama- sure Mar 09 20:57:00 yes... its done and semi working. but i have a problem, Mar 09 20:58:25 i have no evdo connection, i put it into dev mode to get past the palm login and when i hookd it up to quick install it says im running wr-castle-plus... it should be sprint. Mar 09 20:58:33 i ran the sprint script Mar 09 20:59:46 any ideas? Mar 09 21:00:42 did you grab the latest meta-doctor less than 12 hours ago? Mar 09 21:01:12 prob 24 hrs ago. Mar 09 21:01:43 i just dont understand why if i ran the sprint script, its says im running wr-castle Mar 09 21:03:09 post the complete log from when you first ran the script and it started downloading doctors to when the doctor had finished flashing your device. Mar 09 21:03:24 put it on http://webos.pastebin.com/ or in the forum thread. Mar 09 21:07:29 rod, where can i find the log? and maybe wr-castle is just listed cuz it was used to make 2.1.0 but has anyone had any problems with evdo after flashing? Mar 09 21:08:35 the log is the output when you run the script Mar 09 21:09:35 k. hold on Mar 09 21:14:54 i dont have an output dir in the build dir Mar 09 21:19:54 im sorry dude, im fairly good with this, but i just cant find an output dir anywhere Mar 09 21:28:19 rod ? Mar 09 21:29:48 its the stuff that appears in the terminal Mar 09 21:30:11 just copy it and paste it on pastebin Mar 09 21:30:50 terminal has been closed, Mar 09 21:30:55 ... Mar 09 21:31:00 rotfl Mar 09 21:31:52 has anyone had an issue with evdo? the phone works fine. just no connection to evdo. Mar 09 21:32:40 tried ##786 for a reset, tried ##3836 and went thru all options Mar 09 21:33:05 dont know how to update prl... Mar 09 21:38:30 what carrier? Mar 09 21:38:33 carrier on the phone is sprint, so i think its just something in the evdo settings. Mar 09 21:38:51 and it says sprint, so the flash took Mar 09 21:44:30 any ideas? Mar 09 21:58:28 is there a way to add a new preference to a contact in 2.1? such as a msg tone for the sms tone per contact patch? Mar 09 21:58:37 or is the contact app locked down now? Mar 09 21:59:42 can someone skype with me so i can show them whats going on? Mar 09 22:03:37 can anyone skype with me so i can show whats going on? Mar 09 22:03:38 Hello, I would like to alpha test linphone on my Palm Pre Mar 09 22:05:47 hello? Mar 09 22:08:40 jomama: did you have an "Activation error" when you first finished doctoring to 2.1? Mar 09 22:08:56 and did you disable backup before your doctor'd? Mar 09 22:10:24 yes i had the error Mar 09 22:10:43 and have you disabled backup/deleted backed up data? Mar 09 22:10:57 and yes i diabled but i couldnt loginto prfile cuz no evdo Mar 09 22:10:58 via the "Backup" application Mar 09 22:11:02 ok Mar 09 22:11:07 this happened to me as well Mar 09 22:11:20 can u skype? Mar 09 22:11:21 just doctor back to stock 1.4.5. don't login to your profile though Mar 09 22:11:27 no i'm at work Mar 09 22:11:31 ok Mar 09 22:11:38 so dr back Mar 09 22:11:42 you should have an EV icon after you pick your language Mar 09 22:11:57 once you see it, you can immediately pull the battery and begin doctoring to 2.1 Mar 09 22:12:16 this same thing happened to me and a few others Mar 09 22:12:18 pull battery, put back in and dr? Mar 09 22:12:24 yep Mar 09 22:12:39 okay. ill try in. any reason why this happens? Mar 09 22:12:58 i prefer to hold Volume-UP button when giving power back to put it in Recovery/USB mode Mar 09 22:13:12 yea i do that Mar 09 22:13:18 is there no way to install metadoctor on OS X 10.5? Mar 09 22:13:22 cool. and i can't say why it happens for sure Mar 09 22:13:58 ill try. and ill be back on after to reprot. will u be here? Mar 09 22:14:08 for the next hour or so, yes Mar 09 22:14:30 ty. Mar 09 22:15:23 summatusmentis: try it? Mar 09 22:15:27 summatusmentis: are you on ppc? Mar 09 22:15:34 Lichtlos: nope, x86 Mar 09 22:15:37 just an old macbook Mar 09 22:15:45 then why aren't you upgrading to 10.6? Mar 09 22:16:06 I'm lazy? also, poor college Mar 09 22:16:28 it's 29$ :p Mar 09 22:16:45 I'm aware :) Mar 09 22:16:46 then again, you're release hunting for 2.1, aren't you? Mar 09 22:17:14 Lichtlos: not sure what release hunting, but yes, I'm trying to get the 2.1 setup in place Mar 09 22:17:58 summatusmentis: so what error messages do you get? Mar 09 22:18:20 none, I haven't tried it yet, the wiki page just only lists 10.6 Mar 09 22:18:34 I can do it in a VM if I need to Mar 09 22:18:35 summatusmentis: you got macports? Mar 09 22:18:38 indeed Mar 09 22:18:58 give it a try, then :) Mar 09 22:19:00 Homebrew > MacPorts ;x Mar 09 22:19:06 summatusmentis: what? Mar 09 22:19:22 in which parallel universe is that? Mar 09 22:19:29 oh, you meant SineOt Mar 09 22:19:39 :( yes Mar 09 22:19:51 just got confused Mar 09 22:19:52 it's getting late here :( Mar 09 22:23:52 summatusmentis: the wiki page looks like it has instructions on what's needed for older versions as well Mar 09 22:27:06 which wiki page are you looking at? Mar 09 22:27:19 the metadoctor one? Mar 09 22:27:26 oh, you mean the bit about Xcode? Mar 09 22:28:24 grah, my macports is broken Mar 09 22:28:28 I'll just do it in a vm Mar 09 22:29:50 just install ubuntu over osx, you know you want to ;) Mar 09 22:30:18 no, no you don't D: trust me on thissss D: Mar 09 22:30:36 I've heard bad things about this Mar 09 22:30:52 it may be FUD, but I've heard/read that linux doesn't properly know how to do power management Mar 09 22:31:07 and that OS X manages all the power stuff specifically, rather than letting a chip do it Mar 09 22:31:39 probably fud, especially since you have older hardware Mar 09 22:32:04 "older" Mar 09 22:32:06 2007 Mar 09 22:32:07 linux is usually a bit behind on the never stuff when it comes to graphics chips, but that's it these days Mar 09 22:32:21 4 years is a long time in the linux world Mar 09 22:32:40 the argument is that the power chip lies to the OS if you try to interact with it normally Mar 09 22:32:46 which leads to overheating/fried mobo Mar 09 22:32:55 heh Mar 09 22:33:01 but it's not something I'm willing risk Mar 09 22:33:03 well that's probably FUD but still, don't do it P: Mar 09 22:33:04 willing to risk* Mar 09 22:33:13 it's sad Mar 09 22:33:13 wow Mar 09 22:33:21 OSX on my hackintosh runs better than Linux ever did Mar 09 22:33:27 AND it supported the trackpad out of the box :T Mar 09 22:33:32 OS X is a really nice OS Mar 09 22:33:56 yes it is Mar 09 22:34:15 even running on devices that it was never in a million years designed to run on (like a 1024x600 netbook!) Mar 09 22:34:22 say what you want about Apple, and I'll probably agree with you Mar 09 22:34:26 but I like their products Mar 09 22:35:14 they hone in on a target and don't stray off of it Mar 09 22:35:29 some people hate that, but you can't say that it ends up making products that don't do what they're designed to do really, really well Mar 09 22:35:37 exactly Mar 09 22:36:29 I really hope the "webos on the pc" thing is available to OSs that aren't windows Mar 09 22:36:37 mostly because I really want to not use windows Mar 09 22:36:48 * Mousey is happy to stick with exclusively linux Mar 09 22:37:01 even if it's not officially available, if it is what I think is the most likely route HP will take... it would be fairly trivial to force onto anything that ran webkit Mar 09 22:37:49 SineOt: assuming there aren't platform specific binaries that go along, to provide the Synergy stuff Mar 09 22:38:15 people run OSes for the apps and workflow, and most if not all of the webOS workflow could be emulated and moved entirely into webkit Mar 09 22:38:23 true, I hadn't really considered Synergy Mar 09 22:38:38 I'd be surprised if they didn't do Synergy Mar 09 22:39:00 honestly, that would be awesome Mar 09 22:39:00 but even that could be abstracted to the "cloud" Mar 09 22:39:08 aren't they using PubNub for some of the profile features? Mar 09 22:39:24 no idea, I'd love to see some documentation about how they do Synergy Mar 09 22:39:27 or something Mar 09 22:39:34 and db8 is based around HTML5's relational storage, isn't it? Mar 09 22:39:41 I think so Mar 09 22:40:05 all stuff that would be fairly trivial to move to webkit if it wasn't already there to begin with Mar 09 22:40:19 the PubNub site suggests yes Mar 09 22:40:20 http://www.pubnub.com/ Mar 09 22:40:26 there's a palm logo in the top left corner Mar 09 22:41:31 ffffffffffuuuuckkkkk that site is terrible oh my god Mar 09 22:41:37 summatusmentis: well, it runs on webOS Mar 09 22:41:50 but I know there's mentions of PubNub in the stock webOS 2.1 doctor Mar 09 22:41:53 oh Mar 09 22:42:02 didn't look around enough to see what exactly it was for/did though Mar 09 22:42:04 will do that later Mar 09 22:44:42 I was asking earlier about pretending the be the Palm cloud on a self-hosted machine, it sounds like what we're talking about here is related? Mar 09 22:46:42 possibly? I was mostly just saying that Palm could probably handle all of the profile/synergy stuff without having to rely on prebuilt binaries Mar 09 22:47:21 oh, that's fair Mar 09 22:47:24 that'd be nice Mar 09 22:47:46 I'd really like to be able to handle text messages from my keyboard Mar 09 22:47:55 jomama, hey dude... i dont think your ev connection has anything to do with doctoring. its a bug that comes up every now and then with sprint devices Mar 09 22:48:26 my advice is to doctor to the stock sprint webos 1.4.5.... and give it a shot. if it doesnt work do ##RTN# (you will need your MSL) Mar 09 22:49:08 as soon as you resolve the issue with stock doctor than go ahead and do the webos 2.1 script Mar 09 22:49:58 rwhitby, make mental note of that ^ Mar 09 22:50:55 Jack87: put that on the wiki instead ^ Mar 09 22:52:12 jomama, doctoring back to stock will not necessarily give the EV icon back. you will most likely need to do RTN at least once or twice. Mar 09 22:53:05 rwhitby, will do after confirming with jomama Mar 09 22:53:08 Whats is the process for installing Linphone for alpha testing? Mar 09 22:53:25 jeffjeansonne: what device and sip provider? Mar 09 22:53:36 Palm pre / Vonga Mar 09 22:53:38 vonage Mar 09 22:54:06 jeffjeansonne: see /msg and report in the precentral thread and wiki page Mar 09 22:54:08 Jack87: more often than not, doctoring back to 1.4.5 then straight to 2.1 solves the Sprint "Activation Error" Mar 09 22:54:20 jomama: can you confirm this worked for you? Mar 09 23:02:45 yes Mar 09 23:02:51