**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Mar 10 02:59:57 2011 Mar 10 04:12:07 Anyone know where the stock ringtones are stored in a Doctor? Mar 10 04:13:31 smknutson: why not just add them after doctoring? Mar 10 04:13:34 hey all 2 things - if govnor doesn't let me go above 600mhz - what did i do wrong?? i installed uberkernel 1st.... 2ndly - how can i set-up webOS 2.* on my other pre+ that i don't want activated.. ie wifi only... i'm having a hard time getting to step 3... i have super slow internet connection and Cygwin has been slowly dling crap for 2 days Mar 10 04:14:27 smknutson: /media/internal/ringtones Mar 10 04:14:41 i think so when he has to Doc his pre he doesn't have to go back in and replace the ringtones.. that they will be in the doc already Mar 10 04:14:45 well I reverted back to 1.4.5, but Id prefer the 2.1.0 Pre ringtone Mar 10 04:14:56 you're probably gonna restore stuff via usb anyway Mar 10 04:15:09 which would make sense if you were in love with specific ringtones,, Mar 10 04:15:42 lol Mar 10 04:15:57 i wish someone could just meta-doc a wifi only 2.1 and e-mail it to me... i know i really "can't" ask anyone to do that... Mar 10 04:16:05 I 'prefer' the 2.1.0 version of Pre ringtone Mar 10 04:16:12 as it would be illegal... yes?? Mar 10 04:17:09 Yes. Mar 10 04:17:11 smknutson - i abhor ALL Original Pre sounds... both 1 & 2 Mar 10 04:17:19 i make all my own pngs & mp3s for my pre's Mar 10 04:20:50 so - what is the easiest way for me to metaDoc a non carrier specific 2.* for a pre that won't be activated on a network... Mar 10 04:21:27 i'm having aproblem with Cygwin taking forever to DL Mar 10 04:21:35 just run the meta-script for that model/carrier Mar 10 04:21:54 with the --wifi-only switch Mar 10 04:22:20 gesture tutorial app to sign into profile on wifi Mar 10 04:23:38 boqopod, people seem to have better luck using virtualbox and running an ubuntu VM in it to make the metadoc Mar 10 04:23:53 * djwhitey_pre guesses the WR one doesn't have carrier apps, but check the Wiki page Mar 10 04:25:00 has anyone considered switching from sprint ? Mar 10 04:25:05 i just don't understand the process of "making" the metadoc Mar 10 04:25:22 <- VZW fanboy - won't go to sprint.. Mar 10 04:28:33 boqopod: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=linux+make Mar 10 04:28:38 * PatrickC_Pre waves hi Mar 10 04:31:13 what's up djwhitey_pre? Mar 10 04:33:02 has anyone heard back from Palm about the Pre2 dev device? and if so, how long from first email? Mar 10 06:42:18 PuffTheMagic: i tried that installer again after all windows updates (.NET, etc) & it worked Mar 10 06:47:31 suggestion: add install directory to PATH Mar 10 06:50:43 nm i don't see novaterm/novacmd binaries Mar 10 06:58:53 wait, there's novaterm. the bat file works too (after i installed java) Mar 10 10:23:36 Hello! I'm interested in test linphone. How can I get it? Mar 10 10:28:13 SIP provider - russian sipnet.ru Mar 10 10:31:34 heyho Mar 10 10:53:26 johnnyp0: device? Mar 10 10:53:49 pre- (2.1) Mar 10 10:54:26 johnnyp0: see /msg and report in the thread on precentral and the wiki Mar 10 10:54:49 ok, thanks Mar 10 11:26:59 rwhitby: can it be that one pre condition packge for internals on webos2 is missing? The "Homebrew JS Service Framework" was not installled automaticly for a German user. I can not verify it as I do only have 1.4.5 Mar 10 12:54:48 ACTION Mar 10 12:56:04 latest linphone alpha, anyone? Mar 10 13:23:31 they never have any patience Mar 10 13:34:14 hi Mar 10 13:36:59 good morning Mar 10 14:14:32 Loudergood, indeed... he hung around for 3 minutes... Mar 10 14:14:48 long live the patient ones ;) Mar 10 14:14:53 the sad thing is 99% of the people asking for linphone have no clue what is entailed with being an alpha tester Mar 10 14:15:07 we fully expect bug reports, feature requests, the full monty... Mar 10 14:15:41 most of them will get linphone, use it, find a bug, call it crap and delete it rather than reporting said bug so we can do the needful Mar 10 14:16:53 cryptk: why give them the alpha at all? Mar 10 14:18:42 because we need testers Mar 10 14:19:46 the way WOSI is structured, it isn't the whole core team working on each project... we each have our own areas of responsibility... while I try to test any kernel that uNiXpSyChO asks me to, and I try to install development versions of everything we produce to test, my primary responsibility is keeping the servers up and fixing them when they break Mar 10 14:20:13 the other core members have similar situations... because of that each project typically has 2-3 people working on it (sometimes only 1) Mar 10 14:20:21 so we recruit testers!!! Mar 10 14:20:46 makes sense Mar 10 14:21:39 * cryptk hopes everyone doesn't hate him every time the servers break... Mar 10 14:22:05 cryptk: please define "break" in that case Mar 10 14:22:18 you go to the website and it no workie Mar 10 14:22:26 for whatever reason Mar 10 14:22:45 cryptk: so by server you mean only your webserver? Mar 10 14:22:46 you request a new password for the wiki and never get the email... Mar 10 14:22:53 Lichtlos, oh no... I manage them all Mar 10 14:23:22 and not just for WOSI... multiple other groups as well... there is a team of us that do it, and handfull of the members of that team are also WOSI core members Mar 10 14:24:16 cryptk: if you need help debugging mediawiki/apace/lighty whatever... Mar 10 14:24:27 feel free to ask :) Mar 10 14:24:39 +h Mar 10 14:25:52 so far we got it pretty stable, we are just doing some more optimizations and hardware upgrades... Mar 10 14:26:01 working on the prep work to bring the new HP server into the cluster Mar 10 14:26:17 I read about that one, congratulations Mar 10 14:26:52 cryptk: do you use vritualization/jails? Mar 10 14:27:33 indeed Mar 10 14:27:52 it would be way to expensive to do all of this without some hardware level virt Mar 10 14:32:25 djwhitey, thanks Mar 10 15:03:48 Does anyone know if it's possible to run the official emulator under qemu and/or kvm instead of virtualbox? Mar 10 15:05:23 no and why would you want to, they are slower Mar 10 15:06:05 because you can use management tools for them Mar 10 15:06:31 what types of management are you wanting/needing to do? Mar 10 15:06:57 they are slow! Mar 10 15:07:44 summatusmentis: things like setting up a vm and then cloning it for different users Mar 10 15:08:18 ^^ something you wouldnt need for webos devel Mar 10 15:08:52 this is why I'm asking, most of the stuff management tools do are designed for VMs that are crucial for production type stuff Mar 10 15:09:13 this one is intended as a testing platform, there's no reason you'd need to be running it all the time, and it comes with the SDK install Mar 10 15:10:11 PuffTheMagic: why wouldn't we need that for webos devel? Mar 10 15:10:41 cause u dont really save anything in the vm, if you break it, you just reinstall it Mar 10 15:10:45 summatusmentis: the fact that management tools also do crucial production-type stuff doesn't mean that they're not useful for when you want to support a decent number of developers having a common build environment Mar 10 15:11:03 PuffTheMagic: I don't follow you Mar 10 15:11:11 it's a read-only emulator? Mar 10 15:11:51 no its not read only, you just dont use it like a normal vm Mar 10 15:12:24 What's different, exactly? Mar 10 15:12:35 Because it seems like a normal VM to me Mar 10 15:13:03 from a technical perspective, it's a normal VM Mar 10 15:13:07 it is a normal vm, i said how you will be using it is different that if u had windows or linux in a vm Mar 10 15:13:10 why dont you actually use it, and then you can see for your self Mar 10 15:13:25 But it *is* linux in a VM Mar 10 15:13:28 that's what we're interested in Mar 10 15:13:32 is building on the linux subsystem of webos Mar 10 15:13:37 omg Mar 10 15:13:43 what? Mar 10 15:13:50 jefferai, and yes u can use qemu, is it worth the time it takes to setup no Mar 10 15:14:26 PuffTheMagic: what's wrong with wanting to use the linux parts of webos? Mar 10 15:15:05 i dont really understand what you mean by that, but if you dont plan on using webos, then install a real distro Mar 10 15:15:17 we do plan on using webos Mar 10 15:15:32 but we're also interested in porting some software we have to run on the linux sublayer Mar 10 15:16:22 I don't see why that's a shocking thing Mar 10 15:16:24 use a cross toolchain then Mar 10 15:16:33 u better not be expecting to run gcc in the emulator Mar 10 15:17:02 I don't really have any expectations yet Mar 10 15:17:26 I was planning on having a cross toolchain set up, but that would eventually install packages on to the emulator... Mar 10 15:17:54 why dont u just use the emu as it is before you jump to conclusions that you need something more Mar 10 15:18:18 because the emu as it is runs under virtualbox, which only runs as a desktop solution Mar 10 15:18:49 and for our situation, that's not realistic to support Mar 10 15:19:05 students have different laptops, different OSes Mar 10 15:19:16 we dont' have access to them most of the time Mar 10 15:19:35 they could be using different virtualbox versions with different bugs, some might have the sun additions and some might not, etc. Mar 10 15:19:59 so if we want to support a lot of people trying to get their feet wet with this, we need to be able to have a predictable environment and clone it off Mar 10 15:20:06 and you can't do that with desktop virtualbox atm Mar 10 15:20:28 so if u go qemu how are you going to get windows and mac users to use that? Mar 10 15:20:49 we'd run the VMs on some central servers, and they would interact with it via a console Mar 10 15:20:56 VNC/rdesktop Mar 10 15:21:04 and have network access to the VMs Mar 10 15:23:59 i sugest you stick with the tools palm provides, esp if you have never used them before Mar 10 15:24:39 the tools palm provides don't run under linux, which will be a problem for many Mar 10 15:25:05 yes they do Mar 10 15:26:44 not according to the WIDK wiki Mar 10 15:27:59 which says that the tools palm provides for building native code are not available on linux Mar 10 15:28:03 which is the point of the WIDK Mar 10 15:30:07 a cross toolchain is a small part of the tools palm provides Mar 10 15:30:51 and that is the easiest part to get on linux, no need for palm to provide it Mar 10 15:31:15 jefferai: there's an article on the wiki about how to get the PDK working on Linux too if you want it, the procedure could use more testers Mar 10 15:31:30 but as PuffTheMagic says, there's lots of ways to cross compile on Linux Mar 10 15:31:34 I'm still curious as to what he's trying to do that involves bringing so many people in, that all have their own hardware.... education related? Mar 10 15:31:53 Loudergood: they don't all have their own hardware Mar 10 15:31:57 that's the problem, and the point Mar 10 15:32:19 they dont have computers capable of running vbox? Mar 10 15:32:33 yes, they do Mar 10 15:32:39 and for the reasons above, that's not a good solution for us Mar 10 15:33:21 well i think you can ask anyone here, its really your only solution Mar 10 15:33:25 basically, we want an environment where the users can both work on developing WebOS code and also work on developing native code Mar 10 15:33:27 jefferai: the x86 build of webos from the emulator image is based on openembedded Mar 10 15:33:56 optware goes a decent way towards what we need on the native side Mar 10 15:34:06 but we'd want to have some custom things running on top of what optware provides, at the linux layer Mar 10 15:34:12 so we need a way of developing for that Mar 10 15:34:21 jefferai: also another interesting point is that the 2.x version of the GUI is based on Qt so it may be possible to modify it to run as a desktop app Mar 10 15:34:46 at the same time we want to target webos because of both the presentation layer it provides on top and because of the linux subsystem underneath Mar 10 15:34:56 and we want to target it because it has good hardware coming out Mar 10 15:35:08 instead of a beagle board here and a gumstix there Mar 10 15:35:24 pandaboard! Mar 10 15:35:26 destinal: sorry -- modify what, specifically? Mar 10 15:36:00 jefferai: the LunaSysMgr binary which is the monolithic GUI for webos that links in webkit etc Mar 10 15:36:08 ah Mar 10 15:36:18 we dont' really want to run it as a desktop app though Mar 10 15:36:31 we want these things to eventually run on real palm(/hp) hardware Mar 10 15:36:45 both the native code and the webos apps Mar 10 15:37:10 jefferai: and setting up a makefile with x86 and arm targets is bad because? Mar 10 15:37:18 who said it was bad? Mar 10 15:38:17 jefferai: so I'm confused, do you want to run the x86 build in an emulator or outside one? Mar 10 15:38:24 in an emulator Mar 10 15:38:29 ah ok Mar 10 15:38:35 but my question is whether that emulator can be qemu/kvm instead of virtualbox Mar 10 15:38:44 like, if I can conver the disk format, and have any hope of it working Mar 10 15:38:47 *convert Mar 10 15:38:54 it can be anything, vmware, virtual pc, qemu, Mar 10 15:39:05 you wont get it setup before your class needs it Mar 10 15:39:08 but it is possible Mar 10 15:39:22 PuffTheMagic: and the reason for that is...? Mar 10 15:39:23 jefferai: it's just a vmdk file, public tools exist to convert them or import them Mar 10 15:39:28 destinal: right Mar 10 15:39:31 that's exactly what I'm saying Mar 10 15:39:42 I was simply wondering if anyone had done that, and then tried running it, and had success or not Mar 10 15:39:43 jefferai, i told you its possible Mar 10 15:39:48 just not easy Mar 10 15:39:56 most who try give up Mar 10 15:40:05 PuffTheMagic: what's not easy about it -- differing emulated hardware? Mar 10 15:40:19 PuffTheMagic: I think it's likely to be very easy Mar 10 15:40:25 just try it if you think that is the way to go Mar 10 15:40:34 I have no qualms about trying it Mar 10 15:40:36 destinal, lots of tried this already Mar 10 15:40:44 I just asked if anyone had done this, and what their experience was Mar 10 15:40:48 it was a pretty simple question Mar 10 15:41:07 PuffTheMagic: you haven't detailed why it's so difficult Mar 10 15:41:12 jefferai: I have run it successfully under VMWare, I don't remember whether I got networking working. you may need to compile your own kernel. Mar 10 15:41:14 converting the vmdk file is relatively trivial Mar 10 15:41:21 then go for it Mar 10 15:42:15 ...I can -- but if you know of problems that people have run into in the past, then it might be useful to me to know what they are so that I can be ready for it Mar 10 15:42:17 i think it would be much easier to just have a crosstoolchain on a server for people to use if thats too hard for them Mar 10 15:42:30 but they should still use vbox/emu on their own machine Mar 10 15:42:36 then u get all the palm-* tools Mar 10 15:42:49 jefferai: the other issue you may have is mouse support, depends on whether the GUI plugins make too many assumptions about vbox's mouse support Mar 10 15:42:59 it's been a while since I messed with this Mar 10 15:43:19 destinal: ah, ok Mar 10 15:43:31 honestly, right now we're probably mostly interested in porting linux things over first Mar 10 15:43:50 u dont need the emu for that Mar 10 15:43:59 PuffTheMagic: you do if you want to actually test things out Mar 10 15:44:18 the emu is x86 Mar 10 15:44:24 so what do u mean by port? Mar 10 15:44:57 I mean, get them running on top of the library versions provided by webos/optware Mar 10 15:45:21 again, dont need the emu for that Mar 10 17:09:41 ya ITM Mar 10 17:26:29 hello Mar 10 17:47:48 so there's a patch called Delete From Notification in preware (re: email). How easy would a Mark As Read From Notification patch be? Mar 10 17:50:12 Hi. Can someone briefly describe the procedure of registration in Application Store/Market? Is it closed source? Does each Palm device get unique ID on first startup? Can it be changed? Maybe there are any docs about it? Mar 10 17:51:11 you can have open source apps in the market Mar 10 17:52:33 I mean the procedure of identification of device - is it described procedure (with some opened API, etc)? Mar 10 17:52:43 that I don't know Mar 10 17:53:46 what are you wanting to know? Mar 10 17:54:04 what device (i.e. pre, pixi, pre2, etc.) Mar 10 17:54:51 PatrickC_Pre, I would like to get access to Palm store from non-Palm device. I want to be able buy apps from it and get .ipk file onto non-Palm device. Mar 10 17:55:21 contact the dev? Mar 10 17:55:33 sorry? Mar 10 17:55:55 he's suggesting contacting the dev directly Mar 10 17:56:03 instead of going through the store Mar 10 17:56:05 how? Mar 10 17:56:15 No. Mar 10 17:56:24 I don't mean specific app. Mar 10 17:56:43 I need the practical possibility. For any app in store. Mar 10 17:56:58 I don't think you're going to be able to make that happen Mar 10 17:57:10 yea... Mar 10 17:57:13 Why not? Mar 10 17:57:17 not gonna happen Mar 10 17:57:33 If I can get ID from App Store and state that I am the Palm device, why not? Mar 10 17:57:42 can you access the iOS store on android? Mar 10 17:57:58 divan: I'm pretty sure there's mechanisms in place to prevent that Mar 10 17:58:01 Didn't know how it work. Mar 10 17:58:25 I don't know the specifics, but I'm pretty sure HP/Palm doesn't want you doing that Mar 10 17:58:57 * PatrickC_Pre thinks its illegal Mar 10 17:59:17 summatusmentis, I want to know for sure, without guesses. I don't want to get direct or unauthorized access, no. I want to get legal way to get .ipk files for apps without having PalmPre. Mar 10 17:59:39 What is illegal? Buy application without having real PalmPre device? :) Mar 10 17:59:45 I think the legal way to do that is request the .ipk files directly from the dev Mar 10 18:00:29 Palm might have something like apple has for OS X Mar 10 18:00:36 It's not a question of one application and myself. Mar 10 18:00:41 "must be installed on APPLE BRANDED cmputer" Mar 10 18:01:00 Palm might have something similar Mar 10 18:01:13 PatrickC_Pre, any proves? Mar 10 18:01:34 I don't know forsure Mar 10 18:01:46 Any documentation on this? I'm really new for HP/Palm infrastucture. Mar 10 18:01:48 that's why I said "might" Mar 10 18:01:52 divan: I know that's your goal, what I'm saying is there may not be another way Mar 10 18:02:19 as far as I'm aware, the architecture/infrastructure isn't well documented (and a secret guarded by HP/Palm) Mar 10 18:02:28 rwhitby: do you have any input? Mar 10 18:03:07 Ok, is there any dev/tech documentation website for Palm Pre developers? (except of webos-internals) Mar 10 18:03:17 developers.palm.com Mar 10 18:03:53 http://developer.palm.com Mar 10 18:03:58 Thanks. Mar 10 18:04:12 oh, no s Mar 10 18:04:17 mah bad Mar 10 18:04:36 lol its ok Mar 10 18:08:49 ok, another question. Do you have Palm simulator in SDK? Mar 10 18:09:22 If so, can you buy/download apps from Market using this simulator? Mar 10 18:09:37 there's an emulator, afaik you cannot access the market Mar 10 18:09:51 you cannot Mar 10 18:09:59 without the ipk Mar 10 18:10:21 thanks Mar 10 18:13:32 one more. How do you get .ipk file from market? I saw 'send it to phone' button. Does it send some special link which launches some Application market application? Mar 10 18:14:12 yea Mar 10 18:14:23 it launches the app catalog Mar 10 18:14:26 linphone alpha download link anyone? Mar 10 18:15:07 mawulil: you're a bot Mar 10 18:15:17 no Mar 10 18:16:21 * divan thinks that it's kinda wrong that you can't simply pay money and get an application. Mar 10 18:16:43 how would you run it on anything other then a webOS device? Mar 10 18:17:00 need the to take part in alpha testing the latest linphone. not for sale as far i know Mar 10 18:22:11 PatrickC_Pre, we've already run. Almost all games for WebOS are perfectly playable on Maemo (Nokia N900). But now people are forced to find pirated .ipk files and install it. I'm desperately trying to find the legal way to buy these .ipk files. Mar 10 18:23:11 And many people asks where we can buy them? Mar 10 18:24:15 contact palm? Mar 10 18:25:37 I'm writing a letter to pdc@palm.com now. Hope they answer. But I guess they will not change internal components licensing strategies, it's too huge company for such rapid changes. Mar 10 18:26:12 But the guy from Gameloft told me that it might be possiblt to emulate Palm Pre device and buy games, so I have some hope. Mar 10 18:26:40 Though perhaps he made it up. Mar 10 18:28:50 would a meta-doctor work at all? Mar 10 18:50:11 * PatrickC_Pre is loving 2.1! Mar 10 19:32:35 divan: it should be possible to make an application for the N900 to enable buying games. the downside is it would require an authentication token which would require a valid palm profile which would require a valid serial # Mar 10 19:33:47 destinal, would a serial number generator app be illegal? Mar 10 19:33:54 hay destinal Mar 10 19:34:37 PuffTheMagic: not sure, it depends I think Mar 10 19:35:34 destinal, gonna have any time to work on the novacom installer and or ipk installer tonight? Mar 10 19:35:40 we need to reverse engineer the services to determine if you even really need a valid serial # Mar 10 19:35:43 work = discuss or code Mar 10 19:35:59 destinal, thanks, answered with pm. I guess now we can only guess. Mar 10 19:36:56 BTW, when looking at strings output for Avatar game for WebOS, I noticed that it was compiled using Maemo SDK. Strange, isn't it? Mar 10 19:37:13 PuffTheMagic: somehow I doubt that someone trying to take you to court for reverse engineering for compatibility so you could buy apps for personal use would be very successful. Mar 10 19:37:34 destinal, in some countries they can Mar 10 19:37:49 i just dont know what harm could be done from using a serial of someone else Mar 10 19:37:58 if the generator made one that was in use Mar 10 19:38:40 you should be able to make a profile with out needing a pysical device Mar 10 19:39:11 PuffTheMagic: I really wonder how palm profiles will change with the introduction of touchpad Mar 10 19:40:15 divan: I'd love to see the N900 preenv stuff gain much more legitimate use Mar 10 19:41:09 worst case if an app could be created, N900 people could just buy a broken pre for a few dollars and use that serial # Mar 10 19:41:39 thats what i was onna say Mar 10 19:41:44 Me either. I've made an GUI installer and I really don't know what to say to people which ask "Where can I buy these .ipk files?" Mar 10 19:43:41 PuffTheMagic: I should have a bit of time to work on novacom installer etc tonight Mar 10 19:43:55 maybe not a lot, just found out I have to fly out friday night Mar 10 19:44:00 but some Mar 10 19:44:40 well i think the novacom installer just need to to figure out how to detect if an uninstall is needed Mar 10 19:44:54 i found that msiexec /unistall triggers an uninstall Mar 10 19:45:11 but i dont know if a new msi triggering uninstall uninstalls the old novacom Mar 10 19:45:35 and idk how to detect if its even needed Mar 10 19:46:55 PuffTheMagic: ah. so yeah, should be easy enough in a windows pc or VM for us to try it out. uninstall by hand, use the installer from an old doctor jar to get an old novacom, then grab the new one and try running its uninstall Mar 10 19:47:30 divan: how compatible is preenv these days anyway? pretty good coverage of games? Mar 10 19:49:18 destinal, do you have any idea how to emulate palm-install using novacomd directly? Mar 10 19:49:27 Yep, about 50 games are playable. We don't have multitouch, but in case it's relevant, we can remap some regions of screen to keyboard keys, thus combining controls to keyboard one. Accelerometer, sound, video and everything else are perfect. Mar 10 19:49:37 There are a few games which still has problems. Mar 10 19:50:22 Worms for example. It opens in portrait mode and do not change resolution. It was build using Airplay SDK, I think it Airplay issue. Mar 10 19:50:43 Spent an evening with gdb and IDA, but still no luck. Mar 10 19:50:48 when did webos get worms? Mar 10 19:50:55 =) Mar 10 19:51:01 You should know better. Mar 10 19:51:26 I tried to play in small resolution, looks damn good. Mar 10 19:52:01 hrm... I wonder what is in this picture... http://staff.osuosl.org/~ramereth/misc/IMG_1057.JPG Mar 10 19:52:16 does that say PowerEdge on there... Mar 10 19:52:33 yes Mar 10 19:53:09 why yes... I think it does... Mar 10 19:53:15 I wonder what that could be... Mar 10 19:53:28 PuffTheMagic: We should be able to do what palm-install does by connecting to the novacom port like the webos doctor does Mar 10 19:53:42 right but then what? Mar 10 19:53:45 or like the novacom client program does for that matter Mar 10 19:54:03 destinal, but how do they do it? Mar 10 19:56:09 PuffTheMagic: not precisely sure, we should read webos-tools.jar which is what palm-install calls Mar 10 19:57:36 so minimal ui for this Mar 10 19:57:43 button for file selector Mar 10 19:57:44 and... Mar 10 19:57:52 drop down list for device selector? Mar 10 20:01:16 ah right, multiple devices Mar 10 20:01:55 PuffTheMagic: so palm-install does a mkdir /media/internal/.developer and pushes the ipk there Mar 10 20:02:18 then, let me see where the install action is Mar 10 20:03:29 hmm, uses luna-send Mar 10 20:03:51 com.palm.appinstaller installNoVerify Mar 10 20:06:27 PuffTheMagic: like http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Com_Palm_Appinstaller Mar 10 20:07:30 hrm... let me point out the important part in http://staff.osuosl.org/~ramereth/misc/IMG_1057.JPG Mar 10 20:07:43 look UNDER the PowerEdge... those aren't just pretty hard drives... Mar 10 20:09:05 cryptk: the unit with the drives has a VGA port? interesting Mar 10 20:09:21 * halfhalo is not alone! Mar 10 20:09:24 ahh... someone is catching on... Mar 10 20:09:31 cryptk: server? Mar 10 20:09:36 indeed... Mar 10 20:09:46 wonder what kinda server that is... or where it came from... Mar 10 20:09:53 * cryptk can hear the gears in destinals head turning Mar 10 20:10:11 cryptk: hmm, maybe the *new* server we've been waiting for? Mar 10 20:10:11 halfhalo, give him some WD-40... then he will put it all together Mar 10 20:10:17 maybe... Mar 10 20:10:26 it does happen to be an HP Proliant Mar 10 20:10:39 and it did happen to arrive at our Datacenter today... Mar 10 20:10:44 and it WAS sent by HP... Mar 10 20:10:48 cryptk: nice Mar 10 20:10:54 with ATTN: Webos-Internals on the shipping label... Mar 10 20:11:04 but its not Mar 10 20:11:08 halfhalo: lol Mar 10 20:11:12 cryptk: w00t Mar 10 20:11:13 haha Mar 10 20:11:25 yeah, it was for some poser group who is pretending to be us... Mar 10 20:11:40 damn xda devs Mar 10 20:11:41 they have another alias they go by... ABY developers... Mar 10 20:11:51 they try and take stuff from XDA on a daily basis... Mar 10 20:11:58 lol Mar 10 20:13:00 * halfhalo goes back to trying to nurse his network card back to life Mar 10 20:13:15 halfhalo: you broke it? Mar 10 20:13:18 lol Mar 10 20:13:41 it didn't like my new u-boot file and refused to boot any further i think Mar 10 20:14:10 I just ordered an older model about 10 minutes ago with the usb port on the back to see exactly how they are doing stuff Mar 10 20:15:03 * halfhalo will now have two unused fancy nics on his desk Mar 10 20:15:31 xstat -x "u-boot (copy).img" 1 Mar 10 20:15:40 oh god dam... wrong kb Mar 10 20:17:18 * halfhalo should hold a raffle Mar 10 20:17:30 or buy another computer Mar 10 20:19:31 * halfhalo chooses new computer route and goes to fry's. bbl Mar 10 20:23:06 Is there an ETA for when test-meta-verizon-frankenpre2-2.1.0 in the metadoctor will be safe to use (aka no test prefix), or is it ready to use now? Mar 10 20:26:04 are there such things as verizon frankenpre2's? Mar 10 20:27:12 yeah its in the meta-doctor right now, radioboard from a vzw pre plus in the dev pre... right now its in there as test-meta-verizon-frankenpre2-2.1.0 Mar 10 20:27:16 so i'm afraid to use it Mar 10 20:28:01 jerryGuy: ah, you have a developer pre2 (unlocked UTMS) that you're putting a pre+'s comm board into? Mar 10 20:28:11 destinal: yeah Mar 10 20:28:44 jerryGuy: it's probably "test" because we haven't gotten reports of success yet (or not enough reports of success) -- not sure Mar 10 20:28:57 as to when we would, depends on how many people test it :) Mar 10 20:29:08 destinal: what do you think is the worst that would happen Mar 10 20:31:46 jerryGuy: well, worst thing would be taking out your comm board though I'm not saying that's likely -- we've flashed verizon pre2 modem firmware onto sprint pre- so I would *assume* the same firmware onto a pre+ comm board which is basically the same thing should be fine. and of course if there are no verizon pre2's on 2.1.0 you could end up with 9.9.9 profile (are there official verizon... Mar 10 20:31:47 ...pre2's OTA'd to 2.1.0 yet?) Mar 10 20:32:32 luna-send? i havent heard that in a long time Mar 10 20:33:41 PuffTheMagic: yup, guess palm uses it too for production purposes, who knew? :) Mar 10 20:33:48 destinal: I believe the VZW Pre 2s were already OTA'd to 2.1 .... I'm planning on doing the swap and doctoring when I get a T5 screwdriver... Do you know if I'd also have to swap tokens or does the meta-doctor take care of that? Mar 10 20:34:33 jerryGuy: I believe all of the token swapping stuff is now obsolete / unnecessary with the new methods Mar 10 20:34:37 destinal, so the file needs to be copied to a temp location on the device first? Mar 10 20:35:00 jerryGuy: rwhitby is more of the expert on it than me Mar 10 20:35:14 I have not yet comm swapped my pre2 yet Mar 10 20:35:48 PuffTheMagic: yeah, palm-install uses /media/internal/.developer Mar 10 20:35:50 destinal: hmm Mar 10 20:35:57 destinal, lame Mar 10 20:35:59 but ok Mar 10 20:36:13 destinal, is there an upstart script that cleans up that dir? Mar 10 20:36:26 PuffTheMagic: they mkdir it just in case which I can't see causing problems Mar 10 20:36:52 so it really does look like we need to implement novacom get/put/run Mar 10 20:38:33 PuffTheMagic: that or we need to resort to java, and httpunzip the SDK exe for the tools jar Mar 10 20:39:27 no no no Mar 10 20:57:34 heh, what an easy way to crash the Pre or the emu... for (x=1; x>=32; x++) {} Mar 10 20:58:12 lol Mar 10 20:59:44 * halfhalo never made it frys Mar 10 21:02:22 PuffTheMagic: agreed re your negative statement :) I think a python client to the novacom service on localhost is the way to go Mar 10 21:03:38 though if we want to assume the device has network access, we could just implement run and pull down the ipk over the net Mar 10 21:03:54 probably not a safe assumption for 100% of users Mar 10 21:04:31 can usb net be used in reverse for devices with no network access? Mar 10 21:05:30 halfhalo: that makes way too many assumptions about the condition of the system our installer is running on Mar 10 21:05:43 and the device Mar 10 21:06:58 we would need usbnet enabled on the device and the driver installed on the machine running the ipk installer, and it would have to be a router Mar 10 21:07:38 yup Mar 10 21:07:54 halfhalo: but yes in general you could do this yourself with http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Reverse_Tethering Mar 10 21:08:05 we just don't want to depend on it for this installer project Mar 10 21:09:51 destinal, not sure i floow Mar 10 21:10:38 " we could just implement run and pull down the ipk over the net" Mar 10 21:10:39 that part Mar 10 21:10:55 PuffTheMagic: I mean if we don't want to bother implementing novacom put we can just send it a command to download and run a script for instance Mar 10 21:11:13 or send it commands to wget an ipk and then luna-send install it Mar 10 21:11:34 PuffTheMagic: but novacom put's probably not that hard Mar 10 22:02:09 booo... coding :P hehehe Mar 10 22:26:45 destinal, ping Mar 10 22:27:19