**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Mar 14 02:59:57 2011 Mar 14 03:02:20 anyone using F105 on 2.1? Mar 14 03:11:22 do you have the testing feeds igntnunlmtd? Mar 14 03:11:29 yeah Mar 14 03:11:38 hmm Mar 14 03:11:41 I have testing and 2.0.1 everything else Mar 14 03:11:52 which testing? Mar 14 03:12:03 I believe you have to have the /2.1 now Mar 14 03:12:32 even though I don't have 2.1 installed? Mar 14 03:12:41 2.0.1 testing Mar 14 03:12:44 did you not update? Mar 14 03:12:54 no, I got the thing 2 days ago Mar 14 03:12:58 and I don't believe that the pre2 has many kernels Mar 14 03:13:00 but I have the doctor Mar 14 03:13:12 everyday phone? Mar 14 03:13:17 yep! :) Mar 14 03:13:39 by the way, the vkb is insanely fast Mar 14 03:13:45 fyi :) Mar 14 03:13:51 I think OTA is better.. I believe it doesn't erase call logs/txts Mar 14 03:13:55 not sure though Mar 14 03:14:02 yeah, it doesn't Mar 14 03:14:04 and it hasn't crashed the phone yet??? Mar 14 03:14:16 nope, just did Just Type with it flawlessly Mar 14 03:14:22 I love this keyboard, lol Mar 14 03:14:39 I like the vkb (but it doesn't like me) Mar 14 03:14:43 haha Mar 14 03:14:49 it must be a + issue then Mar 14 03:14:56 with the hardware Mar 14 03:15:03 even though that doesn't really make sense Mar 14 03:15:08 if you're overclocked Mar 14 03:16:32 I'm OCed Mar 14 03:16:33 palm virtual keyboard on 2.0.1 is pretty stable Mar 14 03:16:52 on my 2.1 device it locks up within 2 key presses usually Mar 14 03:16:57 it's 2.1 which people seem to be having problems with the palm virtual keyboard (which is likely why it is not enabled) Mar 14 03:17:09 what do you expect from code that is not meant to be enabled? Mar 14 03:17:33 well, how likely is a HB virtual keyboard? Mar 14 03:18:09 there already is one - you can port it to 2.x if you like. Mar 14 03:18:24 I might try Mar 14 03:18:33 not sure how successful I'll be though Mar 14 03:18:49 with how little patch making experience I have Mar 14 03:22:50 it installed flawlessly... Mar 14 03:22:57 I'll luna and see if it worked.. Mar 14 03:23:25 I'm going to remove the 2.1 vkb first though Mar 14 03:23:41 hay cryptk Mar 14 03:23:47 hola Mar 14 03:23:50 * rwhitby bbt Mar 14 03:23:55 nn Mar 14 03:23:55 or maybe the next day Mar 14 03:24:01 heh Mar 14 03:24:20 how's it goin cryptk Mar 14 03:24:25 not too bad Mar 14 03:24:30 just played a little LoL Mar 14 03:24:40 switched to pixi Mar 14 03:24:58 I'm tryin to get the 1.4.5 vkb working on 2.1 Mar 14 03:25:02 sounds goog Mar 14 03:25:31 why not just use the VKB built into 2.X Mar 14 03:25:31 s/goog/good/ Mar 14 03:25:46 it locks up and I have to full boot Mar 14 03:25:52 true Mar 14 03:26:13 and the 1.4.5 works nicly Mar 14 03:26:26 s/nicly/nicely/ Mar 14 03:26:27 PatrickC_Pixi meant: and the 1.4.5 works nicely Mar 14 03:26:56 back already? Mar 14 03:27:02 nvm, lol Mar 14 03:27:25 friend just got annoyed with and destroyed his iPhone Mar 14 03:27:26 last luna restart and it *should* work Mar 14 03:27:32 looking into pre2's Mar 14 03:27:35 :) Mar 14 03:27:41 bring him into the family Mar 14 03:27:47 indeed Mar 14 03:28:24 installed cleanly, doesn't do anything Mar 14 03:29:03 I think we have the closest community for mobile OS's out there Mar 14 03:30:58 it shows as installed and as needing an update Mar 14 03:31:11 but hasn't done anything to the file system it looks like Mar 14 03:31:38 PatrickC_Pixi, what does? the vkb patch? Mar 14 03:31:46 yea Mar 14 03:31:48 probably because it is reporting itself as a 1.4.5 patch Mar 14 03:31:54 the 1.4.5 version Mar 14 03:31:56 it is Mar 14 03:32:01 how do I change that? Mar 14 03:32:26 I am *totally* new to patch making :p Mar 14 03:33:07 can flash be shared via IPK in preware? Mar 14 03:33:11 or no? Mar 14 03:34:52 * PatrickC_Pixi wishes the 1.4.5 vkb worked Mar 14 03:35:15 well, how are you building the patch package... how are you installing it? Mar 14 03:36:02 I'm installing directly from the ipkg.preware.org link Mar 14 03:36:17 finding it in the feed Mar 14 03:36:23 s/feed/feeds Mar 14 03:36:35 hi guys Mar 14 03:36:43 PatrickC_Pixi, you aren't modifying it at all to make it work on 2.X? Mar 14 03:36:44 sorry for interrupting Mar 14 03:36:51 about vkb Mar 14 03:36:51 np Mar 14 03:37:04 already using 2.1,0 on my pre minus Mar 14 03:37:10 I'm just trying it to see what errors it throws at me that I need to fix Mar 14 03:37:10 and got vkb show up Mar 14 03:37:20 but it doesn't throw any errors Mar 14 03:37:33 but it's so unstable, hangs several times Mar 14 03:37:41 kostka: I'm trying to port the 1.4.5 vkb over Mar 14 03:38:00 ic Mar 14 03:38:02 and cryptk: no modification at all atm Mar 14 03:38:27 unified diff creator won't download for me... Mar 14 03:38:33 isn't that what I need? Mar 14 03:38:42 PatrickC_Pre: so it's totally different source and implementation on both webos version? Mar 14 03:39:01 b'coz i never got vkb works on 1.4.5 :D Mar 14 03:39:13 2.1 is an included vkb that got enabled, 1.4.5 is pure HB goodness I believe Mar 14 03:39:39 ic, thanks for that Mar 14 03:39:55 np Mar 14 03:40:03 so, you meta-doced? Mar 14 03:40:19 yes i did Mar 14 03:40:36 got sprint nav working? Mar 14 03:40:36 PatrickC_Pixi, you on a linux or windows system? Mar 14 03:40:42 windows Mar 14 03:40:50 and rite now, webos Mar 14 03:40:51 using script for o2 pre build by rod :) Mar 14 03:40:58 PatrickC_Pixi, please do not even mention sprint nav on anything 2.X Mar 14 03:41:04 mine is gsm, sorry not to mention that earlier Mar 14 03:41:04 its very nice Mar 14 03:41:11 there is no publicly releasable way to make it work Mar 14 03:41:17 ok Mar 14 03:41:22 i'm mostly using linux Mar 14 03:41:35 but kind of new Mar 14 03:41:42 ordinary user :) Mar 14 03:41:47 I'm also working on fixing that problem too cryptk :) Mar 14 03:41:52 hay destinal Mar 14 03:41:58 PatrickC_Pre, , since you are on windows unified diff creator is your best bet Mar 14 03:42:03 PatrickC_Pre: yo! Mar 14 03:42:06 PatrickC_Pre, I am working on it as well Mar 14 03:42:24 ok cryptk, I'll try to download it as well Mar 14 03:42:36 but unless you have a publicly releasable way to do it, try not to mention it, it jsut spurs too much discussion that does not belong in this channel Mar 14 03:42:38 s/as well/again/ Mar 14 03:42:39 PatrickC_Pre meant: ok cryptk, I'll try to download it again Mar 14 03:42:48 ok Mar 14 03:43:00 I'm trying to find a way to use the 1.4.5 version Mar 14 03:43:03 discussing work towards a publicly releasable way is fine too Mar 14 03:43:11 then it is good Mar 14 03:43:12 :) Mar 14 03:43:13 PatrickC_Pre, as am I Mar 14 03:43:19 sweet Mar 14 03:43:27 2 minds are greater then 1 :p Mar 14 03:43:55 what do the logs say when you try and launch it Mar 14 03:43:57 so far what I am working on doing is renaming the sprint-nav service binary and creating a shell script in the original location with the original location Mar 14 03:44:14 then putting all of the libraries required by the original one in a folder Mar 14 03:44:25 the shell script sets a LD LIBRARY PATH Mar 14 03:44:31 * PatrickC_Pre didn't understand like any of that Mar 14 03:44:31 and runs the original service binary Mar 14 03:44:41 I haven't used shell anything yet Mar 14 03:44:54 hehe, basically I am making it run the 1.4.5 binary with the 1.4.5 librarbies Mar 14 03:45:02 still needs a bit more work though Mar 14 03:45:11 does it even launch? Mar 14 03:45:16 that's cool cryptk :) Mar 14 03:45:17 not yet... but I am close Mar 14 03:45:33 I was making good progress all the way until the new server from HP arrived Mar 14 03:45:41 lol Mar 14 03:45:48 I am one of the 2 people who are primarially in charge of getting it all set up Mar 14 03:45:58 and it is a lot more work than you would think Mar 14 03:45:58 who's the other? Mar 14 03:46:02 ka6sox Mar 14 03:46:14 its not "plug in and work"? Mar 14 03:46:19 ka6sox and I pretty much run the entire infrastructure Mar 14 03:46:20 :D Mar 14 03:46:27 PatrickC_Pre, if only it was Mar 14 03:46:31 sounds like fun Mar 14 03:46:33 * halfhalo votes for win 2008 Mar 14 03:46:45 * halfhalo doesnt get a vote, obviously Mar 14 03:46:52 we have RAID archetecture to set up, partitioning schemes to worry about, virtualization systems to put in place... Mar 14 03:46:56 * PatrickC_Pre never heard of win 2008 Mar 14 03:47:03 halfhalo has a stupid vote Mar 14 03:47:14 * PatrickC_Pre votes webOS Mar 14 03:47:14 halfhalo gets negative votes Mar 14 03:47:41 * cryptk has to deal with broken windows server 2008 servers all day at work and doesn't want to deal with broken windows 2008 servers at home as well Mar 14 03:47:53 lol Mar 14 03:47:57 * cryptk believes that windows serves no purpose at all in a server environment Mar 14 03:48:11 oh, oh, oh, if I get a negative vote I vote for red hat Mar 14 03:48:11 webOS does though Mar 14 03:48:15 * cryptk believes that when it comes to servers microsoft needs to go home and let the big boys play Mar 14 03:48:36 halfhalo has no experience with Red Hat and therefore his vote against Red Hat doesn't count Mar 14 03:48:54 just remember halfhalo, I work at a MAJOR server hosting company... my vote counts inifinitely more than yours Mar 14 03:49:03 semantics Mar 14 03:49:08 lol Mar 14 03:49:08 * PatrickC_Pre has no experience with anything but win and osx Mar 14 03:49:18 PatrickC_Pre, is missing out Mar 14 03:49:31 well, I want to run linux.... Mar 14 03:49:40 * halfhalo keeps mum Mar 14 03:49:48 but I haven't had the time with school to set it up Mar 14 03:49:55 brb... need more congnac Mar 14 03:50:07 bbl Mar 14 03:50:11 need sleep Mar 14 03:50:29 cu guys :) Mar 14 03:50:50 night Mar 14 03:51:38 now both phones have changed nicks :) Mar 14 03:51:49 back Mar 14 03:51:51 we didn't notice Mar 14 03:51:58 hehe Mar 14 03:52:06 cognac in hand Mar 14 03:52:12 night Mar 14 03:52:15 nite Mar 14 03:52:35 cryptk: lol.. don't get too drunk :) Mar 14 03:52:52 heh Mar 14 03:52:54 I am scottish Mar 14 03:52:59 impossible to get too drunk Mar 14 03:53:05 ah ic :D Mar 14 03:53:05 no, you are cryptk Mar 14 03:53:31 no... my alias is cryptk Mar 14 03:53:34 IRL I am scottish Mar 14 03:53:46 but you are awesome IRL Mar 14 03:53:52 * halfhalo whistles Mar 14 03:53:56 and I'm going to bed IRL Mar 14 03:54:13 I am awesome and scottish IRL Mar 14 03:54:21 ahh ok Mar 14 03:54:21 halfhalo, is just a ruby developer Mar 14 03:54:23 nite Mar 14 03:54:24 * halfhalo is crazy irl Mar 14 03:54:27 lol Mar 14 03:54:29 we know Mar 14 03:54:35 :)) Mar 14 03:54:36 hehe Mar 14 03:55:50 no, no you do not. Mar 14 03:55:57 * halfhalo is also a crazy driver Mar 14 03:56:20 who has concrete walls jump out in front of him Mar 14 03:56:44 halfhalo does Mar 14 03:56:53 that was ONCE Mar 14 03:57:10 haha Mar 14 03:57:24 :D Mar 14 03:57:26 lol Mar 14 03:57:35 howd it feel? Mar 14 03:57:56 still have to go get that fixed Mar 14 03:58:40 well then... I'm going to bed before I get into another conversation Mar 14 03:58:49 and that wall did come out of nowhere Mar 14 03:58:51 * PatrickC_Away is really going to bed this time Mar 14 03:59:01 lol Mar 14 03:59:03 nite Mar 14 03:59:31 sure it did Mar 14 03:59:52 nite *again :) Mar 14 05:07:21 Hello All, Mar 14 05:07:29 You are receiving this because you signed up to be notified when our Pre2-ing (or Legacy device upgrade) services were available. You are being notified before everyone else. Mar 14 05:07:29 Well, it's now available... Mar 14 05:14:43 oc80z, thanks for the heads up! Mar 14 05:15:05 now spread the word, every Pre2-ing they do, part of the proceeds are donated to WOSI Mar 14 05:15:27 so we can continue to get developer devices so we can make awesome stuff for everyone to use! Mar 14 05:21:36 am I still connected? Mar 14 05:21:42 I suppose I am :) Mar 14 05:23:58 you are Mar 14 05:25:20 normally wirc drops my connection when I come home Mar 14 05:26:20 works better then expected! Mar 14 05:26:29 :p Mar 14 05:26:36 * oil adds that as tagline Mar 14 05:28:12 hehe Mar 14 05:32:24 has there been much work on wirc in a while? Mar 14 05:32:51 http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/wIRC.git;a=summary Mar 14 05:34:37 so that's a "no" Mar 14 05:34:46 lol Mar 14 05:35:50 we've mostly been waiting for palm to allow hybrids into the catalog Mar 14 05:36:06 its only been like over a year since the PDK was released with the ability to make plugins Mar 14 05:36:18 internalz is in, but isn't that a node.js thing now? Mar 14 05:36:25 yeah, node services are a go Mar 14 05:36:33 which the sdk for isn't even released yet... Mar 14 05:36:43 but plugin hybrids? no Mar 14 05:36:43 lol Mar 14 05:36:43 but wirc is a pdk plugin and not a node service? Mar 14 05:36:47 right Mar 14 05:36:48 its js, its all good Mar 14 05:37:09 we switched from a homebrew c service to a palm pdk plugin just so we could get it into the catalog Mar 14 05:37:57 if only your fortune teller had predicted that node services would get in first Mar 14 05:38:05 meh Mar 14 05:38:20 switching it to a node service would piss puffthemagic off too much for me to do that Mar 14 05:38:32 all the work on the service and plugin down the drain Mar 14 05:38:38 lol Mar 14 05:39:26 you dont keep partners happy by throwing all their work out the window, thats for sure Mar 14 05:40:01 I mean that when you went from a c service to a plugin... if you'd been clairvoyant and went to a node service instead ;) Mar 14 05:40:47 that was a year before node services were even announced Mar 14 05:41:14 that would be one hell of a psychic to read that Mar 14 05:41:32 but these days it seems like you need a psychic on hand to figure out HPalm Mar 14 05:44:05 halfhalo, do you have the same SN on github? Mar 14 05:44:57 si Mar 14 05:45:32 oil, do what ever u want Mar 14 05:45:38 i dont care any more Mar 14 05:46:01 * halfhalo votes keep c service since there are one or two things it does node cannot do atm Mar 14 05:46:11 like crash shit Mar 14 05:46:29 and define which interface it uses Mar 14 05:46:51 lol Mar 14 05:47:00 i still think we just need to simplify the plugin object loadinig Mar 14 05:48:01 halfhalo, you're high on the search for "node.js irc client" Mar 14 05:48:07 lol Mar 14 05:48:15 * halfhalo hasn't worked on that in months Mar 14 05:48:22 put it in the actual html of the main scene instead of doing the weird document fragment loading thing Mar 14 05:48:29 was my first node project as well Mar 14 05:48:53 * RagingMind is just trying to get a feel for the state of things Mar 14 05:49:01 I love all the wirc peeps :) Mar 14 05:49:17 wirc keeps me connected and sane while I'm at work Mar 14 05:49:24 lol Mar 14 05:50:17 * oil stirs the plugin soup on twitter Mar 14 05:50:25 ... Mar 14 05:50:28 BAD OIL BAD Mar 14 05:52:15 * halfhalo does like the new shinyness node 0.4.0 has vs the on device version Mar 14 05:52:30 meh Mar 14 05:52:39 plugin will always be better then services in my book Mar 14 05:52:45 for 1 major reason Mar 14 05:52:51 they dont run all the time Mar 14 05:53:00 SYNCHRONOUS! Mar 14 05:53:06 SYNC! Mar 14 05:53:07 WOOOOO Mar 14 05:53:08 !! Mar 14 05:53:39 teaser -> http://ompldr.org/vN3N6YQ/novatool.png Mar 14 05:53:53 nice Mar 14 05:54:07 twitter it Mar 14 05:54:14 PuffTheMagic: nice Mar 14 05:54:39 oil, if i tweet it jason will make a clone Mar 14 05:54:45 hah Mar 14 05:54:54 but his will be java, so its ok Mar 14 05:54:59 this a quick install replacement thingy? Mar 14 05:55:18 it does way more than install Mar 14 05:55:37 will do... Mar 14 05:55:50 all it does right now is get files from the pre Mar 14 05:56:03 like... work in a predicable manner? :) Mar 14 05:56:12 ? Mar 14 05:56:24 PuffTheMagic: we should make a version of that that just downloads and installs preware for the get.preware.org Mar 14 05:56:33 quick install is very very handy, but there are times that installing packages with it is... an interesting ordeal Mar 14 05:57:01 * halfhalo never uses qi Mar 14 05:57:02 thankfully the new version supports deps Mar 14 05:57:08 destinal, already have code that could do that Mar 14 05:57:30 Hello, I would like to buy a Pixi Plus and use just the WiFi on it. I read somewhere that I can use the Palm Bypass tool to get past the activation and then use preware to use the app catalog. Is that true? Mar 14 05:57:39 destinal, but i would just assume add preware install to this Mar 14 05:57:48 Seowave: no Mar 14 05:58:01 destinal, what if novatool could read ipkg feeds Mar 14 05:58:02 make it a big red button that says "INSTALL THE PREWARES" Mar 14 05:58:14 PuffTheMagic: that would be pretty slick Mar 14 05:58:14 yeah, we dont need another desktop based feed reader/installer Mar 14 05:58:28 it would be nice to have an on computer way to manage everything I do with preware Mar 14 05:58:38 * halfhalo whistles as he pokes couchdb Mar 14 05:58:38 Thanks for the answer. Mar 14 05:58:48 RagingMind, what do u mean manage Mar 14 05:59:11 add or remove things, but have the same install success rate as preware Mar 14 05:59:17 Seowave: you can get access to the app catalog though Mar 14 05:59:28 i thought if you bypassed activation and first use you could setup wifi then re-run first use and setup a profile Mar 14 05:59:32 then get access to the catalog Mar 14 05:59:32 some stuff only installs with preware and not QI Mar 14 05:59:35 make it talk to preware? ohhh, that would be cool Mar 14 05:59:48 Seowave: even over wifi it works Mar 14 06:00:07 it's so much easier to point and click on a computer than it is to navigate on the phone itself Mar 14 06:00:07 oil, want to make some hook in preware that i could call with luna-send? Mar 14 06:00:18 call for what? Mar 14 06:00:26 to install shit Mar 14 06:00:40 PuffTheMagic: why not jiust use the install service that's already there? Mar 14 06:00:53 the problem with current preware Mar 14 06:00:53 destinal, that was the plan Mar 14 06:01:00 is that it needs to load feeds before its useufl Mar 14 06:01:07 but iw ould have to write the dep handling Mar 14 06:01:10 which makes relaunches weird if you want to install something Mar 14 06:01:20 cause it would need to load all the feeds to be able to do it Mar 14 06:01:25 get on that lazy loading stuff then Mar 14 06:01:49 ah Mar 14 06:01:52 but the problem there Mar 14 06:02:04 I don't know what black magic QI uses to install things and I don't understand why it can't be designed to be as robust as preware... :( *sigh* Mar 14 06:02:07 is that there is no shared storage between node and mojo/enyo Mar 14 06:02:28 node can't load feeds and stick it in a database that the app can read! Mar 14 06:02:34 save the feeds as json for node on device Mar 14 06:02:35 why is there such a gaping hole? Mar 14 06:02:55 oil: you could have the binary service write a database though Mar 14 06:03:04 oil, its for goatse Mar 14 06:03:12 oh god Mar 14 06:03:27 lol Mar 14 06:03:36 and for preware, methinks we could break into the db using node for it Mar 14 06:03:55 oil: why not just have the service write a database that the app can load? Mar 14 06:04:05 which database? Mar 14 06:04:09 node can't talk to html5 Mar 14 06:04:13 and db8 is 20mb limit Mar 14 06:04:41 make node store the feeds in json in /media/internal Mar 14 06:05:03 oil: hmm, patch webkit Mar 14 06:05:04 :P Mar 14 06:05:09 yeah, ill get on that, haha Mar 14 06:05:49 oil: why use node? Mar 14 06:05:57 idk Mar 14 06:06:12 i still think preware should stay exactly as it is, because its simple, and works consistantly Mar 14 06:06:30 but rwhitby has tons of ideas about instant on and other buzz words Mar 14 06:06:37 if html5 works is mojo / enyo, we could write to the html5 db's directly Mar 14 06:06:45 in a binary service Mar 14 06:07:04 can we? Mar 14 06:07:09 instant loading for preware would be nice Mar 14 06:07:33 yeah, but you dont have to code it :) Mar 14 06:07:43 lies Mar 14 06:08:06 Yeah, I know... that's why I say "nice" and not anything more definite sounding :) Mar 14 06:08:11 lol Mar 14 06:08:14 oil: another thing too is why not just do more of the data loading in the service? Mar 14 06:08:42 then you could persist it however Mar 14 06:08:42 there is no usable shared storage between app and node Mar 14 06:08:58 not node Mar 14 06:09:37 rwhitby wants the c service to do less in the next version Mar 14 06:09:42 meh Mar 14 06:09:45 yeah Mar 14 06:10:34 hah Mar 14 06:11:05 if you just have the service do a lot more you could pull the data from a local database into the app by making calls to the service Mar 14 06:11:13 javascript accessible functions Mar 14 06:11:28 but he also doesn't want the feeds all in memory like it is now Mar 14 06:11:37 he has a lot of things he wants Mar 14 06:11:39 lol Mar 14 06:11:51 so right now, v2 is pretty stalled Mar 14 06:12:09 oil: does sqlite (for instance) keep the db in memory? Mar 14 06:12:21 no Mar 14 06:12:27 well, possibly Mar 14 06:12:50 * oil brb Mar 14 06:12:52 at any rate you wouldn't have to load data into the app even, just be able to do queries from the app into the service Mar 14 06:13:06 like how a web app works Mar 14 06:13:17 with a mysql db or something Mar 14 06:13:54 only instead of a big database engine directly, db queries go into the service, Mar 14 06:14:41 http://cgi.ebay.com/Palm-Pre-Plus-AT-T-Near-Mint-Accessories-Included-/330541205124?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item4cf5ca8684#ht_500wt_898 < -- good price or what ? Mar 14 06:22:14 destinal: in preware, the reason for most problems usually comes down to the saved package list Mar 14 06:22:22 the one place where there is persistant storage in a database Mar 14 06:22:54 downloading and replacing the text files then reading them in is so simple Mar 14 06:22:59 and rarely has problems Mar 14 06:23:09 and now you're gone Mar 14 06:23:18 hah Mar 14 06:24:09 okay... I'm tipsy enough to not care if I sound like a total n00b Mar 14 06:25:13 could it just be a database, sqlite or something, and have the interface just run/display the results of different queries? Mar 14 06:45:58 Hello everyone. Does anyone know how to make a Webos 2.1 C service? I have a C program run as serivce correctly in 1.4.5 but cannot work in 2.1 Mar 14 06:49:04 WindBell2: rwhitby just started a little example app Mar 14 06:49:05 http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/hello.git;a=summary Mar 14 06:49:15 thanks Mar 14 06:49:15 (i dont know if its in a working state) Mar 14 06:49:39 he like just did that on his flight to the states :) Mar 14 06:56:32 Strangely, I don't find any different from its C-service part and mine except I put the executalbe file under application folder and it is in /var/usr/sbin/ Mar 14 07:10:24 I found WIDK is still based on 1.4.5, is it the problem? There is no WIDK update, however Mar 14 07:30:33 If i installed a preogramusing novaterm like this "ipkg install /media/internal/com.telenav.sprintnavigation_1.0.1-86_armv7.ipk -force-depends" what would be the command to remove it Mar 14 07:34:51 nevermind i figured it out... Mar 14 07:43:54 http://phono.com Mar 14 07:44:08 anyone seen this jquery stack for softphone sip client? Mar 14 07:44:12 i wonder if it'll work on webos Mar 14 07:45:31 damn probably not since theyre using flash Mar 14 09:17:05 after reading source code of Preware I still cannot find how to make a C service run on 2.1 properly Mar 14 09:19:08 Is there any documentation about it ? Mar 14 10:25:17 hey guys Mar 14 10:25:27 i am new to palm Mar 14 10:49:21 WindBell: what service are you writing? Mar 14 11:47:35 oil: this may sound a bit crazy, but why not just use git for verson control on something like a package database directory and have your client pull to update? Mar 14 11:49:15 pulling differences is bound to be much more efficient and you still have a local copy to fall back on, and it's tested to be stable for big projects and high loads Mar 14 12:07:12 destinal: check this discussion http://stackoverflow.com/questions/621251/why-isnt-git-used-for-package-management Mar 14 12:22:25 Lichtlos: cool, thanks Mar 14 12:25:58 looks like some are even using it for package contents, I hadn't thought to go that far, but it's good to know there are some other significant projects that have considered or are considering this Mar 14 12:26:19 with some actually using some kind of SCM already Mar 14 12:27:18 worth noting that some of the reasosn that argue against it (no need to work offline, for instance) are very different on a mobile platform Mar 14 13:03:05 morning all Mar 14 13:25:52 Can anyone point me towards which doctor to use for a Sprint Pre- with a GSM Pre2 comm board..... Mar 14 14:04:02 what all do I need to make patches? Mar 14 14:04:10 I'm in windows xp Mar 14 14:06:51 linux Mar 14 14:07:58 well, that's not an option rite now :'( Mar 14 14:08:16 that's pretty much the best way to do it Mar 14 14:08:26 well, what if I have xp? Mar 14 14:08:33 sucks for you Mar 14 14:08:34 can you run virtualbox? Mar 14 14:08:34 run linux Mar 14 14:08:48 virtualize it Mar 14 14:09:32 vbox is a no-go on this PC Mar 14 14:09:38 not enough RAM Mar 14 14:10:21 sucks for you even more Mar 14 14:10:26 learn some linux, it'd do you good Mar 14 14:10:27 if you don't need to work with the widk, cygwin might work Mar 14 14:11:00 what about unified diff creator? Mar 14 14:11:08 is that any good? Mar 14 14:16:51 how do I *mod* a current patch? Mar 14 14:17:39 do you even know how patches work? Mar 14 14:18:35 they modify original files to add features Mar 14 14:23:18 lol how about the process used to patch a file? kinda important Mar 14 14:23:35 that I don't know much about Mar 14 14:23:44 I'm searching precentral for info :) Mar 14 14:25:04 * PatrickC-School is going to try and port FB Chat Spoof over to 2.1 Mar 14 14:26:32 * PatrickC-School really wants it to work Mar 14 14:29:41 I was updating feeds in preware and all it says is Mar 14 14:29:51 "ERROR!" Mar 14 14:30:02 so far, no spontaneous luna restarts on FrankenPre2 after Redoctor. fingers crossed... Mar 14 14:30:26 awesome Mar 14 14:31:59 i've been pretty lucky so far with mine and love it Mar 14 14:32:44 mine only freezes when I use vkb Mar 14 14:33:08 http://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee477/patrickc14/photos-temp-1jpg-1.jpg Mar 14 14:33:11 help? Mar 14 14:33:42 yeah the vkb is pretty buggy Mar 14 14:34:09 I'm working on that Mar 14 14:34:10 close preware and do a reboot with sym+opt+r Mar 14 14:34:16 :'( Mar 14 14:34:26 that means I have to log off irc lol Mar 14 14:34:27 brb Mar 14 14:34:45 time to see Tux :) Mar 14 14:39:23 back Mar 14 14:41:24 looks like preware is hanging on optware testing Mar 14 14:41:49 just tried it on my plus and 2, both loaded with no issues, checking pre- Mar 14 14:42:10 all optware is hanging for me Mar 14 14:42:25 it *might* load... Mar 14 14:42:37 regular did load, testing did not Mar 14 14:44:27 since when the hell did we get an optware testing feed... you know what, never mind. I don't care right now Mar 14 14:45:25 its been there for a while now :) Mar 14 14:45:28 * PatrickC ducks Mar 14 14:45:48 preware is taking *forever* to load any feeds..... Mar 14 14:47:03 goddammit someone broke something Mar 14 14:47:12 what broke? Mar 14 14:47:28 hell if I know, I'm on a phone Mar 14 14:47:41 are you talking about preware? Mar 14 14:50:00 ipkg.preware.org is not loading Mar 14 14:50:06 yeah Mar 14 14:50:17 now I see Mar 14 14:50:25 *that's* what broke Mar 14 14:50:25 something broke on ze servers of infinite doom Mar 14 14:50:43 maybe its HP's new server Mar 14 14:51:07 the one that's not plugged in yet? doubt it Mar 14 14:51:19 ok Mar 14 14:51:32 maybe they are gettin ready to put in online? Mar 14 14:52:13 wIRC also broke Mar 14 14:52:19 everything broke Mar 14 14:52:47 wirc has nothing to do with anything Mar 14 14:53:04 and for once its not our server! Mar 14 14:53:09 it just erased my 2 nicks I had on it Mar 14 14:53:17 and now the text is black now white Mar 14 14:53:59 wirc is fine Mar 14 14:54:08 that is a completely seperate issue Mar 14 14:54:24 so, that's a error on my end... Mar 14 14:54:32 now to figure out what's wrong with it Mar 14 14:54:37 * PatrickC scratches head Mar 14 14:55:01 * halfhalo does a happy dance that its not our server borked but an offsite one Mar 14 14:55:25 I thought you hosted all your servers? Mar 14 14:55:40 * oil blames halfhalo Mar 14 14:56:03 * halfhalo didn't do it this time Mar 14 14:56:27 * haeffb blames halfhalo too! Mar 14 14:56:33 ipkg3 is the only thing down Mar 14 14:56:37 huzzah! Mar 14 14:57:02 ipkg3? Mar 14 14:57:20 http://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee477/patrickc14/photos-temp-1jpg-2.jpg Mar 14 14:57:40 that's my wIRC as of now Mar 14 14:58:28 just got into a 15 minute argument with cto..... ended up having me reboot webserver.... now he's yelling at me telling me the website is down and still can't access the exchange server..... why did you have me reboot the webserver then? Mar 14 14:58:37 lol Mar 14 14:58:40 lol, weird theme switch without changing that scene Mar 14 14:58:42 that sucks Mar 14 14:58:58 yup Mar 14 14:59:10 oil: yep, any fix besides restarting wirc? Mar 14 14:59:21 id love to help, but im late for work Mar 14 14:59:32 one would think if you were a cto you would know the difference between an exchange server and a webserver..... Mar 14 14:59:34 hah Mar 14 14:59:36 have fun :) Mar 14 15:00:25 the facebook chat spoof is a simple patch..... Mar 14 15:00:45 and im just a developer, not a network admin.... Mar 14 15:01:25 http://m.precentral.net/hp-touchpad-targeting-june-release-priced-499-7-inch-coming-september Mar 14 15:01:31 yay!! Mar 14 15:03:23 projectalarum: That story sounds a bit like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8_Kfjo3VjU Mar 14 15:03:58 damn, can't watch it, youtube blocked for our domain..... Mar 14 15:04:08 stinks Mar 14 15:04:18 look at on on your pre :) Mar 14 15:04:37 what's the video called? Mar 14 15:05:13 the website is down - sales guy vs. web dude Mar 14 15:05:58 oil: fixed theme issue Mar 14 15:06:16 it said it was on "palm default" when the background was "palm dark= Mar 14 15:06:21 lmao this is awesome, if only i could play halo at work..... Mar 14 15:06:25 s/=/"/ Mar 14 15:06:26 PatrickC meant: it said it was on "palm default" when the background was "palm dark" Mar 14 15:07:30 Frost: lol this video is too awesome, thanks for making my day lmao Mar 14 15:07:47 projectalarum: no problem :) Mar 14 15:10:40 So can anyone direct me to which dr to use on a Sprint Pre- with a GSM Pre2 comm board inside? Mar 14 15:11:20 meta? Mar 14 15:13:22 I figured a world ready dr but the only one available is for the pre2, so now i'm leaning towards the o2 or vodafone, but unsure of keyboard layout, i.e., qwerty vs qwertz..... Mar 14 15:15:16 * djwhitey called that $499 wifi price point Mar 14 15:15:24 probably Mar 14 15:15:29 hope this works Mar 14 15:15:33 * PatrickC crosses fingers Mar 14 15:16:52 nope :'( Mar 14 15:17:12 lulz Mar 14 15:17:43 now I need to find where the resourceHandler is..., Mar 14 15:18:44 preware is nicely commented, thx guys :) Mar 14 15:23:14 * PatrickC crosses fingers again Mar 14 15:26:03 * PatrickC yet again Mar 14 15:26:18 hi @all Mar 14 15:26:28 hay lichtlos Mar 14 15:27:11 PatrickC: how's school? ;) Mar 14 15:27:15 * PatrickC wishes oil would tell him here the things are for the default app... Mar 14 15:27:17 goods Mar 14 15:27:22 s/goods/good Mar 14 15:27:36 I can't get it to work :'( Mar 14 15:29:44 anyone know if the o2 version of the pre is qwerty or qwertz? Mar 14 15:30:35 oil: can you tell me what folder its in??? plz :) Mar 14 15:30:39 lol Mar 14 15:30:54 I think I found it, but its erroring out... and not launching Mar 14 15:31:47 projectalarum: qwertz Mar 14 15:32:39 * halfhalo found it... and its not even complicated code Mar 14 15:34:46 hmmm gonna try the telcel dr then..... as long as my pre doesn't start speaking spanish.... Mar 14 15:35:06 hmmmm maybe not, no 1.4.5..... Mar 14 15:36:50 what are you trying to do projectalarum? Mar 14 15:36:52 halfhalo: I found what I *think* it is, but when I add it to the app, nothing happens Mar 14 15:37:37 take a sprint pre- and use the comm board from a gsm pre2 to make a gsm pre- lol mainly just for testing/development/household remote etc..... Mar 14 15:38:20 hideous Mar 14 15:38:27 ruining a perfectly good gsm pre2 :-P Mar 14 15:38:30 all that happens is it errors out Mar 14 15:38:38 lol Mar 14 15:38:40 how about the bell pre? is it gsm or cdma? Mar 14 15:38:46 projectalarum: why don't you sell me a gsm pre2 instead? Mar 14 15:39:12 lmao no, hence the reason i have a spare comm board from a gsm pre2 Mar 14 15:39:28 the wr doctor should work just fine Mar 14 15:39:42 servers are still down :'( Mar 14 15:39:59 halfhalo: what folder? assistants, models, where??? :) Mar 14 15:40:15 not gonna tell you Mar 14 15:40:17 well the wr dr is for the pre2, and webos 2.x i want 1.4.5 since it's for testing/development Mar 14 15:40:32 how much code is it? Mar 14 15:40:38 there should be a wr for 1.4.5 somewhere Mar 14 15:42:34 PatrickC not gonna tell you. you have to find it yourself Mar 14 15:42:44 ok Mar 14 15:42:50 * PatrickC goes to keep looking Mar 14 15:43:38 hmmm anyone know if vodafone or sfr is gsm? and qwerty vs qwertz? Mar 14 15:44:27 I would guess sfr to be gsm, but it might be azerty. Mar 14 15:44:48 I'm not 100% sure on any of those statements though. Mar 14 15:46:01 damn it is gsm but azerty..... can the meta-dr override the keyboard layout? Mar 14 15:48:54 projectalarum, yes it can Mar 14 15:49:05 but you would want to actually change the keyboard as well Mar 14 15:49:05 hmmm o2's website shows the pre as being qwerty..... Mar 14 15:50:23 halfhalo: did you actually put it into an app and have it work? Mar 14 15:50:45 and would it defiantly work for URLs too? Mar 14 15:50:57 im gonna try the o2 version, doesn't need to actually work on cellular, as I don't have a sim for it anyways, but would be nice if I were to go abroad, as long as wifi works i'll be extremely pleased Mar 14 15:51:04 no, but I actually know what all the code does Mar 14 15:51:24 but it would work for URLs? Mar 14 15:52:46 I have no idea Mar 14 15:53:29 I'm of the opinion that sticking a new web browser of a phone based off of a web browser is retarted Mar 14 15:53:29 ok Mar 14 15:54:23 well, it has a lot more features then the stock browser Mar 14 15:55:01 i would just say screw it and use the sprint 1.4.5 dr, but i figured it would freak out about the gsm comm board Mar 14 15:55:08 like what Mar 14 15:57:11 when you start typing, it searches history, bookmarks, and open cards Mar 14 15:57:25 it gives the option to open a file stored on-device Mar 14 15:58:07 "just type" also searches history and bookmarks, fyi Mar 14 15:58:15 yea Mar 14 15:58:21 but not open cards Mar 14 15:58:22 :) Mar 14 16:03:43 halfhalo: you should join the beta :) Mar 14 16:06:10 PatrickC: if you're talking about open browser cards, "just type" will actually find the sites those cards are looking at, since those cards already written it to history. Mar 14 16:06:24 :o Mar 14 16:06:31 true... Mar 14 16:06:48 hay torchie Mar 14 16:06:58 sup Mar 14 16:07:02 the built-in browser does not, however, allow us to open a local file Mar 14 16:07:09 yep :) Mar 14 16:07:12 CDMA networks are such an annoyance Mar 14 16:07:27 I miss being able to open local html files on the device :( Mar 14 16:07:37 join Universe Beta :) Mar 14 16:07:41 then you can Mar 14 16:07:42 I was able to write and test webpages all from treo pro Mar 14 16:08:02 * halfhalo can open local files on device in the regular browser Mar 14 16:08:13 well, the write part I'm not so sure about Mar 14 16:08:21 halfhalo: without internalz? Mar 14 16:08:30 without internalz Mar 14 16:08:41 how? Mar 14 16:08:46 node Mar 14 16:08:54 via command? Mar 14 16:09:07 is it something the average user can do? Mar 14 16:09:55 PatrickC I tried to get universe on saturday, the beta is full Mar 14 16:10:04 that stinks Mar 14 16:10:23 I got in a while ago, before it started Mar 14 16:10:46 its one command that spawns an on device webserver which let's you view all files/directories Mar 14 16:11:14 what app allows you to do it*? Mar 14 16:11:27 s/it*?/it?/ Mar 14 16:11:27 PatrickC meant: what app allows you to do it? Mar 14 16:11:43 its just a single command in novaterm at the moment Mar 14 16:11:54 was a proof of concept Mar 14 16:12:06 and this can be done on-device? Mar 14 16:12:12 yes Mar 14 16:13:00 wow Mar 14 16:13:16 how do you access novaterm? I haven't figured it out yet Mar 14 16:13:44 ... Mar 14 16:14:00 wiki, man, wiki Mar 14 16:14:02 I thought it used the terminal Mar 14 16:14:12 and the terminal doesn't work on 2.x yet Mar 14 16:14:15 right Mar 14 16:14:51 webosinternals' Terminal app != novaterm Mar 14 16:15:10 you can access novaterm over USB from a PC Mar 14 16:15:17 I know that Mar 14 16:15:24 ... Mar 14 16:15:39 what? Mar 14 16:16:20 I think the original question is "how do you open an on-device file in the built-in browser without plugging in an usb cable?", right? Mar 14 16:16:34 yes Mar 14 16:16:38 pretty much Mar 14 16:17:14 hrm Mar 14 16:17:42 oh, the terminal app kinda works on 2.1 btw, it just doesn't give you any output... Mar 14 16:17:58 I have an answer to that question for the average user :) Mar 14 16:18:18 Universe :) Mar 14 16:19:12 hmmmm anyone use nagios? thinking of doing a front-end for webOS.... Mar 14 16:19:18 Frost: heh, so you can enter commands as root blind...wowow :) Mar 14 16:19:50 Akismet has protected your site from 330 spam comments already. Mar 14 16:19:59 wow, people really like to spam my site... Mar 14 16:20:06 wgreenhouse: yeah... it's pretty much a show stopper, but you could at least do stuff like "touch /tmp/foobar" to create a new file... Mar 14 16:20:31 PatrickC: yeah...there are a lot of wordpress comment-bots out there Mar 14 16:20:35 they suck Mar 14 16:20:39 yep Mar 14 16:20:46 but Akismet fixes that :) Mar 14 16:20:49 yep :) Mar 14 16:20:50 lol 250 of my cousin's wordpress sites got hacked Mar 14 16:20:51 how's the reviews comin? Mar 14 16:20:55 wow Mar 14 16:23:06 http://www.webosroundup.com/2011/03/2-weeks-to-go-in-our-what-would-you-do-for-a-pre-2-contest/ Mar 14 16:25:06 I wish I had some js/php programming chops--I'd love a pre2 Mar 14 16:25:14 but I don't know either Mar 14 16:25:28 don't know how much php would help.... Mar 14 16:25:36 js does though Mar 14 16:26:26 wishes webOS had a native php handler.... Mar 14 16:27:02 * PatrickC wishes webOS understood straight English Mar 14 16:28:02 * wgreenhouse wishes it understood Lisp Mar 14 16:28:20 * PatrickC wishes he knew what Lisp was *google time* Mar 14 16:28:35 PatrickC: hit me over the head with a trout on Wednesday if I haven't posted at least one actual review by that time Mar 14 16:28:37 :-P Mar 14 16:28:40 Lisp would be cool. I'd love a ruby interpreter Mar 14 16:28:45 lol Mar 14 16:28:48 ok Mar 14 16:28:51 thanks Mar 14 16:28:56 yes ruby would be nice as well Mar 14 16:28:58 np Mar 14 16:29:29 I don't care what one you do, as long as its a review :) Mar 14 16:29:48 k Mar 14 16:37:08 PatrickC- whats your website ? Mar 14 16:39:49 man craigslist people never respond to there emails Mar 14 16:48:28 http://awesomeappreviews.wordpress.com Mar 14 16:48:42 and joeb_: you don't ask if they can ship :p Mar 14 16:48:48 they think its a scam :p Mar 14 16:49:17 true Mar 14 16:49:36 well i asked them if they could me me also Mar 14 16:49:42 s/me/meet Mar 14 17:07:32 joeb_ what do ya think? Mar 14 17:11:30 All right. Interesting little story I bring with me. Mar 14 17:11:43 what's up? Mar 14 17:12:24 I was just using my VZW Palm Pre+ (2.1.0) with a few cards of wIRC, Youtube, and the browser. Mar 14 17:12:57 Out of nowhere, my touch screen decides to stop responding altogether. No little "you tapped here" wave, no gesture bar, nothing. Mar 14 17:13:15 turn screen off, then back on.. might fix it Mar 14 17:13:23 Did that. Mar 14 17:13:29 and nothing? Mar 14 17:13:35 But the keyboard still worked. The phone was still responsive. Mar 14 17:13:36 so far, not really that interesting Mar 14 17:13:46 story needs more hookers and blow Mar 14 17:14:00 in fact, forget the story and the blow Mar 14 17:14:01 kgf2009: happened to me Mar 14 17:14:05 KGF2009, try a power wiggle... haeffb calm your face, lol Mar 14 17:14:24 Well, you might be interested in the next part; I rebooted it and it freezes on the WebOS Internals logo. Mar 14 17:14:32 Waited for about 20 minutes. Mar 14 17:14:34 * cryptk wonders if haeffb has met cryptk's mom... Mar 14 17:14:40 batt pull? Mar 14 17:14:42 KGF2009, what kernel? Mar 14 17:14:45 Tried that. Mar 14 17:14:48 Stock kernel. Mar 14 17:14:59 cryptk: now that sounds like it might be an interesting story... :) Mar 14 17:15:03 try the doc again? Mar 14 17:15:03 Currently doctoring it to see if that fixes it. Mar 14 17:15:08 ah ok Mar 14 17:15:25 do you have insurance on it? Mar 14 17:15:34 I forget. Mar 14 17:15:46 what carrier? Mar 14 17:15:51 VZW. Mar 14 17:16:15 I think they charge something like $7 a month extra per phone Mar 14 17:16:42 Yeah, but I'm not the one the bill's going to. Mar 14 17:17:33 hmmm Mar 14 17:18:07 call the person the bill goes to and ask them? Mar 14 17:18:22 Don't wanna wake him. Mar 14 17:19:11 Here we go. Doctor's up. Mar 14 17:19:12 what time is it by you? Mar 14 17:19:20 10:17AM. Mar 14 17:19:22 He works nights. Mar 14 17:19:28 oh ok Mar 14 17:19:48 go to vzw and ask 'em? Mar 14 17:20:34 I'm hoping I won't have to. Mar 14 17:20:42 The Doctor is working so far. Mar 14 17:21:00 working meaning? Mar 14 17:21:21 halfhalo: servers are back up Mar 14 17:21:36 Meaning it's at 8% and I haven't gotten some error like "touch screen hardware is b0rked". Mar 14 17:21:37 * halfhalo knows Mar 14 17:21:56 ok Mar 14 17:22:26 the servers were fine, they were not the issue Mar 14 17:22:36 then what was? Mar 14 17:24:42 how much compache should I give it? Mar 14 17:24:54 s/it/uberkernel/ Mar 14 17:24:55 PatrickC meant: how much compache should I give uberkernel? Mar 14 17:25:18 the default Mar 14 17:25:37 10MB? Mar 14 17:26:09 PatrickC- is that awesomeapps website have flash in the home page ? Mar 14 17:26:20 it shouldnt Mar 14 17:26:22 if so i need to reinstall my flash cause it is not coming up Mar 14 17:26:25 pj pl Mar 14 17:26:30 I visit on my pixi all he time Mar 14 17:26:35 s/pj pl/oh ok Mar 14 17:26:55 try Mar 14 17:27:04 http://hma.im/aar Mar 14 17:27:56 same .. is there suppose to be something on the left of welcome at the top ? .. upcoming review Mar 14 17:28:22 what device are you on? Mar 14 17:28:33 om my desktop Mar 14 17:28:34 :D Mar 14 17:28:36 s/om/on Mar 14 17:29:02 lemme go to full mode Mar 14 17:29:05 I'm on pre Mar 14 17:30:05 looks like wordpress' server is down... Mar 14 17:30:28 nm Mar 14 17:31:05 no, nothing belongs there Mar 14 17:31:58 what do you think? Mar 14 17:39:39 hold up Mar 14 17:40:27 Well, it's starting luna. There's a good sign. Mar 14 17:40:41 yep Mar 14 17:40:52 And yep. Touch screen is responsive. Crisis averted. Mar 14 17:41:07 Is UberKernel public yet? Mar 14 17:41:20 let me take a screen shot .. its like something is missing Mar 14 17:41:44 PatrickC- http://img850.imageshack.us/i/screenshotxz.png/ < -- if you look on the left side it looks like a box that should have text Mar 14 17:42:00 under upcoming review Mar 14 17:42:10 see it ? Mar 14 17:42:26 yea Mar 14 17:42:34 wordpress set it up like that Mar 14 17:42:38 PatrickC- there something suppose to be there ? Mar 14 17:42:40 I can't change that :'( Mar 14 17:42:40 oh ok Mar 14 17:43:03 so it has nothing to do with java ? Mar 14 17:43:33 nope Mar 14 18:00:44 PuffTheMagic: egaudet: is there a known issue with FreeTether that it doesn't seem to work affter toggling the only active interface off and back on (USB for instance) Mar 14 18:02:08 destinal-work, http://redmine.webos-internals.org/projects/freetether/issues?set_filter=1&tracker_id=1 Mar 14 18:04:19 finding this was nice... now I know it's not just me that's having wifi prefs issues Mar 14 18:18:22 RagingMind, i suck at using oils cookie code Mar 14 18:20:40 it caused some slight confusion when I was telling people what to connect to, but it all worked out Mar 14 18:29:54 if i don't get a pre soon i will be forced back to the dark side of android Mar 14 18:29:56 0_o Mar 14 18:30:23 nooooooooooooooo Mar 14 18:30:45 ebay Mar 14 18:30:50 craigslist Mar 14 18:30:51 oil Mar 14 18:30:54 something Mar 14 18:31:10 oh wow Mar 14 18:31:14 i found a good deal i think Mar 14 18:31:28 http://lloydscameras.com/product/1282_Palm-Pre-Plus-Mobile-Phone-Black-ATT-P101UNA.html Mar 14 18:31:32 under $50? Mar 14 18:31:42 make an app Mar 14 18:31:43 $ Mar 14 18:31:44 err Mar 14 18:31:52 then you can get a Pre2 :) Mar 14 18:31:53 $89.99 Mar 14 18:32:28 $89.99 is very good Mar 14 18:32:48 to bad i don't get paid till friday meaning i won't get it until monday or wednesday .. arghgh! Mar 14 18:33:22 amazon? Mar 14 18:33:45 then you can get a Pre2 :) Mar 14 18:33:45 $89.99 is very good Mar 14 18:33:49 oops Mar 14 18:33:58 yea but still .. i get paid friday meaning i won't get it till next week Mar 14 18:34:23 are you an amazon prime member? Mar 14 18:34:28 nop Mar 14 18:35:38 what does USB freetether need to work? just novacom drivers? Mar 14 18:35:54 should be it Mar 14 18:36:39 joeb_: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003P2VJQO?ie=UTF8&force-full-site=1 Mar 14 18:36:40 :) Mar 14 18:37:37 PatrickC- i do'n't like pixi Mar 14 18:37:51 check the price :p Mar 14 18:37:56 yea Mar 14 18:38:03 lol Mar 14 18:39:03 hmm Mar 14 18:39:22 anyone on sprint pre- have an issue where every sound seems to come out as the "battery extremely low" sound Mar 14 18:39:30 on 2.1 Mar 14 18:39:47 I don't have a sprint pre- on 2.1 yet Mar 14 18:41:21 poiop Mar 14 18:46:14 Amanda: Yes, the Early Termination Fee will be $325 -- minus $10 for each full month of service that you completed. Mar 14 18:46:16 i hate att Mar 14 18:46:33 bastards Mar 14 18:46:39 well at least you're on gsm Mar 14 18:47:12 you could just buy an unlocked phone and slap a gophone sim in there if you so please Mar 14 18:47:32 or make an app to get a pre2 :p Mar 14 18:47:37 (j/k) Mar 14 18:48:10 apparently if you're on sprint you have to play russian roulette with the call centers to activate a smartphone without a data plan Mar 14 18:48:25 yep Mar 14 18:48:35 is that what haeffb did? Mar 14 18:48:37 :) Mar 14 18:48:41 haeffb managed it? Mar 14 18:49:24 all I heard is that he played Russian roulette and lost :p Mar 14 18:49:35 aww. Mar 14 18:49:47 * haeffb slowly recuperating Mar 14 18:49:52 :(((((( Mar 14 18:49:55 what happened? Mar 14 18:50:09 I'm gonna have to pay for my phone bills someday Mar 14 18:50:22 no you dont.... Mar 14 18:50:33 I want to have a smartphone but a data plan is hundreds better spent on the rent Mar 14 18:52:24 what carrier? Mar 14 18:53:04 sprint Mar 14 18:53:18 same here Mar 14 18:53:27 reception's great and all but Mar 14 18:53:29 just Mar 14 18:53:29 not Mar 14 18:53:30 gsm Mar 14 18:56:23 another teaser -> http://ompldr.org/vN3Q4NA/novatool.png Mar 14 18:58:01 what is that? (program) Mar 14 18:58:52 a novacom gui Mar 14 18:59:13 its not a wrapper around novacom Mar 14 18:59:19 it talks to novacomd directly Mar 14 19:00:04 can the Flash IPK be shared? Mar 14 19:00:13 no Mar 14 19:00:26 Qt? Mar 14 19:00:35 how come? Mar 14 19:00:51 PatrickC, can't be shared because it isn't free code Mar 14 19:00:57 you don't have the rights to distribute it Mar 14 19:01:03 ah ok Mar 14 19:01:10 and Loudergood yes, it uses Qt for the gui (and it works very ncie so far Mar 14 19:01:42 I love Qt, it looks good in linux and windows Mar 14 19:01:56 i love macs Mar 14 19:02:21 PuffTheMagic- that picture is just so beufiul .. the edges evrerything .. its like palm apps they are just pefect looking Mar 14 19:02:25 like a mac aqua feel Mar 14 19:03:10 lol Mar 14 19:03:14 thats kde4 for ya Mar 14 19:03:15 :D Mar 14 19:03:24 lol Mar 14 19:03:34 but ya its qt Mar 14 19:03:39 pyqt4 Mar 14 19:03:42 pyside Mar 14 19:04:26 can google docs be configured to work with preware? Mar 14 19:06:54 * PatrickC is downloading the doctor to get flash Mar 14 19:08:28 PatrickC, what exactly do you mean by configuring google docs to work with preware? Mar 14 19:08:40 like as a repo Mar 14 19:08:53 PuffTheMagic- that is kde4 not a mac ? Mar 14 19:08:57 preware will load any standard ipkg feed Mar 14 19:09:04 google docs is not an ipkg feed Mar 14 19:09:08 know what Mar 14 19:09:10 ok Mar 14 19:09:13 i haven't ran kde in a long time Mar 14 19:09:16 i feel like installing it Mar 14 19:09:21 why .. cause i can Mar 14 19:09:30 * cryptk has both on his PC, but usually uses gnome Mar 14 19:09:33 HAHAHAHAHAHA Mar 14 19:09:41 google docs as a repo.... Mar 14 19:09:43 HA Mar 14 19:10:31 I'm trying to find a good way to make a private repo :p Mar 14 19:10:32 PatrickC, if you could upload an ipkg to google docs... then you could put the URL for it into preware's "Install Package" scene Mar 14 19:10:44 PatrickC, just look into how an ipkg feed works... Mar 14 19:10:49 then make one Mar 14 19:10:52 will do Mar 14 19:11:03 works on mac too -> http://ompldr.org/vN3Q4aQ/novatool-mac.png Mar 14 19:11:15 but from the basis of your previous convo... I have to ask... are you planning on doing this to illegally distribute flash? Mar 14 19:11:39 * halfhalo would totally break the repo if so Mar 14 19:11:40 noooooooo Mar 14 19:11:50 PuffTheMagic: is it more or different to WOSQI? Mar 14 19:12:01 I'm not one to distribute things illegally Mar 14 19:12:11 I'm doing it to beta some apps Mar 14 19:12:11 MetaView, huh? Mar 14 19:12:24 MetaView, it serves a different purpose Mar 14 19:12:28 I've been looking for something for a while Mar 14 19:12:42 ok, which? Mar 14 19:12:47 think of it this way... WOSQI is for normal users... it has pre-configured things it does in an easy to use GUI... Mar 14 19:13:00 MetaView, i've never used wosqi, but i would assume that just installs ipks, this u can get files from the pre, send files to it, run commands remotely, and install ipks Mar 14 19:13:10 novatool is more for advanced users... it will allow you to do just about anything, but you need to know how novacom works Mar 14 19:13:24 PuffTheMagic, WOSQI does get/push files as well Mar 14 19:13:30 cryptk, i will work for non-advanced users Mar 14 19:13:33 but the remote command running it does not do Mar 14 19:13:44 and did have a command line, but it was a linux command line on the device Mar 14 19:14:01 PuffTheMagic, yes, yours will work for non-advanced users as well, but the run command functionality is target more at the advanced ones Mar 14 19:14:02 it could run remote commands Mar 14 19:14:13 MetaView, not like this will Mar 14 19:14:22 IIRC he removed it in the last version Mar 14 19:14:22 * joeb_ is installing kde4 Mar 14 19:14:30 this will run a command on the pre, tunnel the command through novacom and the results go to your PC Mar 14 19:14:30 last i remember kde was bloated eh ? Mar 14 19:14:32 cryptk: how differently? Mar 14 19:14:39 ok Mar 14 19:14:45 this is different :) Mar 14 19:14:51 MetaView, are you on a linux system? Mar 14 19:14:55 nope Mar 14 19:15:08 windows Mar 14 19:15:17 but with cygwin, if it helps Mar 14 19:15:20 MetaView, on wosqi, when u get a file, does it allow u the option to view, save or open? Mar 14 19:15:24 or does it just save Mar 14 19:15:43 good question, cryptk said it will allow to send and retrieve files ;) Mar 14 19:15:52 I try it Mar 14 19:15:53 if you were on a linux system, I was going to give you a command to run to show what I mean by running a command on the phone and tunneling the results to a PC Mar 14 19:16:12 I know last I used WOSQI you could get/send files... it was in a menu somewhere Mar 14 19:16:39 basically, the two do have a fair bit of feature overlap, but WOSQI also has features that novatool does not... and novatool has features that WOSQI does not Mar 14 19:17:07 cryptk, what features does does novatool not have yet Mar 14 19:17:26 MetaView, novatool will be able to read preware feeds and install ipks from that ;) Mar 14 19:17:30 there are a lot of "tweaks" (basically pre-set patches) that WOSQI has built in Mar 14 19:17:33 http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/14/t-mobile-ceo-philipp-humm-issues-non-denying-non-confirmation-of/ Mar 14 19:17:35 interaction with package feeds Mar 14 19:17:45 PuffTheMagic: the retrieve file in WOSQI only saves it locally Mar 14 19:17:55 so you can get a package from a feed and install it (instead of having to download the IPK first) Mar 14 19:18:01 cryptk, pre-set patches? Mar 14 19:18:11 kinda, they are called "tweaks" Mar 14 19:18:18 just common things that people want to change Mar 14 19:18:33 you can look at them all, check the boxes for the ones you want, it applies them and restarts luna Mar 14 19:18:38 PuffTheMagic- do you like kde ? Mar 14 19:18:52 joeb_, i love it Mar 14 19:18:58 kde4 that is Mar 14 19:19:00 cryptk: just give me the example command Mar 14 19:19:01 i hated kde3 Mar 14 19:19:06 novacom -- run file:///usr/bin/find /media/internal \( -path '/media/internal/ringtones' -o -path '/media/internal/.palm' \) -prune -o -name "*.mp3" -exec cat {} \; | mplayer -cache 8192 - Mar 14 19:19:07 please :) Mar 14 19:19:12 thx :) Mar 14 19:19:14 you will need mplayer on your local system Mar 14 19:19:19 oh that kde i should rm this Mar 14 19:19:31 PuffTheMagic- i got lost in kde when i used it .. you have like a sticky note and some other stuff Mar 14 19:19:34 how do you use it PuffTheMagic Mar 14 19:19:56 sticky note? Mar 14 19:20:05 i use it just like i used gnome Mar 14 19:20:07 transfering the doctor via novabrowser Mar 14 19:20:09 its just sexier Mar 14 19:20:21 PuffTheMagic- it has plamonid things right ? Mar 14 19:20:50 ya Mar 14 19:21:03 they are just applets Mar 14 19:21:10 nothing special Mar 14 19:21:48 MetaView, in order to use that command you need 2 things Mar 14 19:22:04 mp3's on your pre's USB partition (not in the ringtones or .palm folder) Mar 14 19:22:12 and you need mplayer installed on your local PC Mar 14 19:22:15 just replaced mplayer with vlc and wait what happens Mar 14 19:22:17 oh, and a working novacom as well Mar 14 19:22:25 never tried it with vlc... Mar 14 19:22:48 it takes it's time Mar 14 19:22:53 -' Mar 14 19:23:07 yep, it works with VLC... Mar 14 19:23:12 novacom -- run file:///usr/bin/find /media/internal \( -path '/media/internal/ringtones' -o -path '/media/internal/.palm' \) -prune -o -name "*.mp3" -exec cat {} \; | vlc - Mar 14 19:23:16 that one will work with VLC Mar 14 19:23:48 what is happening is that the contents of the mp3 files are being read on the device, then the contents are being tunneled through novacom into vlc/mplayer... Mar 14 19:23:52 the file is never transferred Mar 14 19:24:32 pretty cool no? Mar 14 19:24:45 it is Mar 14 19:25:27 hm, my test didn't return yet Mar 14 19:25:32 it is kinda like membooting but the other way around Mar 14 19:25:41 MetaView, is it not working for you? Mar 14 19:26:04 hi, I've just used meta-doctor with BYPASS_FIRST_USE_APP in order to use wi-fi to login to my palm profile, but after I've configured my network, the first use app will just show the gesture tutorial... did I do something clearly wrong? how should I login now? Mar 14 19:26:13 oh Mar 14 19:26:14 works Mar 14 19:26:20 on windows, in cygwin Mar 14 19:26:56 my previous had this -cache 8192, which vlc didn#t like as it seems Mar 14 19:27:45 * PatrickC is getting ready to add flash extracting files now Mar 14 19:28:09 ok Mar 14 19:28:12 let me switch to kde Mar 14 19:30:23 yeah, the -cache 8192 is specific to mplayer Mar 14 19:32:32 is there a way to disable the ringer switch on the palm pixi? Mar 14 19:32:45 it has a mind of its own and 50% of the time my phone doesn't ring Mar 14 19:32:49 even if the switch is all the way up Mar 14 19:40:00 can someone email me http://forums.precentral.net/attachments/canuck-coding/56009d1298772359-how-get-flash-legacy-devices-2-1-0-flashplugincontainer.zip please? Mar 14 19:40:13 it won't download correctly for me Mar 14 19:40:28 * PuffTheMagic is not touching nything flash Mar 14 19:40:41 why not? Mar 14 19:41:16 will oil help me? :) Mar 14 19:54:34 brb Mar 14 19:55:51 PuffTheMagic- you there ? Mar 14 20:00:17 ya Mar 14 20:01:53 worked Mar 14 20:02:45 should I try and go SR71? Mar 14 20:03:12 PuffTheMagic- how do i make plasma stuff .. i want the desktop folder / icon to be on the desktop Mar 14 20:03:29 nvm i got it Mar 14 20:03:32 its folder view Mar 14 20:04:19 i never use that Mar 14 20:04:45 how do you have it setup ? Mar 14 20:04:56 PuffTheMagic- just icons ? and you click the icon ? Mar 14 20:05:07 nothing on my desktop Mar 14 20:05:53 send me a screenshot Mar 14 20:05:56 i want to get a feel Mar 14 20:05:59 omfg i hate my laptop Mar 14 20:06:02 almost out of battery Mar 14 20:06:50 get extended battery :3 Mar 14 20:07:23 joeb_, http://ompldr.org/vN3RhOA/desktop.png Mar 14 20:07:57 yes my desktop is 4096 x 1152 Mar 14 20:08:17 big desktop Mar 14 20:08:24 PuffTheMagic- i wantt to see icons at the bottom Mar 14 20:08:56 all i have that is non-standard is networkmanager plasmoid and a weather plasmoid Mar 14 20:20:35 PuffTheMagic- how do you get to applications then ? Mar 14 20:20:45 would the flash plugin work on 1.4.5? Mar 14 20:24:46 joeb_, the kmenu Mar 14 20:24:51 bottom left corner Mar 14 20:24:52 like normal Mar 14 20:26:18 hmm... i wonder if the flash ipk would even install on 1.4.5 Mar 14 20:27:04 ugh Mar 14 20:27:08 this background is gay Mar 14 21:06:06 hi Mar 14 21:06:30 hi Mar 14 21:07:07 joeb_, unless it involves rainbows or partially clad men, I doubt you mean "gay" Mar 14 21:07:16 lol Mar 14 21:07:30 i need an awesome HD picture for my background.. Mar 14 21:08:40 somthing like so Mar 14 21:08:41 http://thenextweb.com/microsoft/files/2010/05/water13.jpg Mar 14 21:08:57 dumbledore_: digitalblasphemy.com Mar 14 21:09:17 thanks Mar 14 21:10:24 dumbledore_, http://wallbase.net/ Mar 14 21:13:31 ohoho Mar 14 21:13:36 another nice one Mar 14 21:14:14 * dumbledore_ <3's windows 7's capability to have multiple backgrounds Mar 14 21:15:41 I wish it had a thing for mobile sized wall papers. the closest I see is to show only "portrait" ones Mar 14 21:28:36 webchat/Chrome Mar 14 21:38:18 ping hape Mar 14 21:51:43 what's the script to get 1.4.5 onto a Sprint Pre Plus ? Mar 14 21:53:16 no script, meta doctor, 2.1 is automated, 1.4.5 is manual Mar 14 21:53:19 RagingMind- i figured it out im liking kde :D Mar 14 22:14:24 hay dkirker Mar 14 22:22:09 how's it goin joeb_? Mar 14 22:40:32 hay dkirker1 Mar 14 22:40:42 I think I found out how to do it!! Mar 14 22:41:49 PatrickC: sweet! Mar 14 22:41:51 is it possible to add extra types of VPN to webos 2.x ? Mar 14 22:42:19 dkirker1: see PM Mar 14 22:42:34 I'm not sure simpsonch Mar 14 22:54:03 preware just doesn't like me today :'( Mar 14 22:54:59 fine PatrickC Mar 14 22:55:17 good Mar 14 22:55:31 any news on the craigslist things? Mar 14 22:55:40 still looking Mar 14 22:56:01 ebay? Mar 14 22:56:34 did you try oil*r*us? Mar 14 22:56:41 :) Mar 14 22:58:03 im about to look again right now Mar 14 22:59:30 good luck Mar 14 23:02:40 yea Mar 14 23:03:00 did you try oil*r*us? :p Mar 14 23:03:10 whats oil rus Mar 14 23:03:32 oil has everything and more Mar 14 23:03:50 so he is not "oil*r*us" like "toys*r*us" Mar 14 23:06:12 I'm gonna try the Flash on 1.4.5! wish me luck! Mar 14 23:37:46 any terminal app work w 2.1 ? Mar 14 23:38:29 kill_dano: "maybe" Mar 14 23:38:44 kill_dano: http://metaviewsoft.de/wordpress/?p=560&cpage=1#comment-467 Mar 14 23:39:04 That page lists a "cure" for terminus that might work. Mar 14 23:39:36 It won't work for me though. Mar 14 23:39:47 thanks Mar 14 23:40:16 does F102b do 1.1ghz? Mar 14 23:40:17 The wosi Terminal app seems to work half way, that is, any command you type into it will be executed, but you won't see any output from it. Mar 14 23:40:49 ttyl Mar 14 23:42:03 uberkernel does 1ghz Mar 14 23:44:53 damnit. WebOS2.1 got an bug in google account Mar 14 23:45:12 2011-03-14T23:40:16.382873Z [5505] palm-webos user.crit LunaSysMgr: {LunaSysMgrJS}: com.palm.app.calendar: Error: MojoService: no errorCode supplied Invalid regular expr Mar 14 23:45:36 ession: /hlEd(Cid/: Unterminated group; innerError: "SyntaxError: Invalid regular expression: /mymyypa(ass/: Unterminated group\n at new RegExp (unknown source)\n at Mar 14 23:45:41 Object.cachePassword (javascript/utils/utils.js:56:26)\n at clazz.initiateLogin (javascript/assistants/checkcredentialsassistant.js:37:10)\n Mar 14 23:45:44 oops Mar 14 23:45:46 sorry for multiline paste Mar 15 00:29:48 Where can you set the default i/o scheduler for UberKernel? Mar 15 00:30:37 w/govnah Mar 15 00:31:46 * bhuey programmed his pre with a doctor for the Nth time Mar 15 00:31:53 oil, I know it can be done but it doesn't stick when rebooted Mar 15 00:32:00 kid ofblows that I kee pblowing it with various details Mar 15 00:32:21 even when you save it to a profile then tap to apply the profile? Mar 15 00:32:29 (settings are only made "stickey" when applied from a profile) Mar 15 00:32:45 oil, yes Mar 15 00:32:56 it must not be supported to be made stickey then :/ Mar 15 00:33:05 oil, that is what I believe Mar 15 00:35:06 oil, /etc/init.d/swaphack.sh sets the scheduler Mar 15 00:38:10 I just changed the command in swaphack.sh to use anticipatory as a default over cfq Mar 15 00:40:08 Still waiting to upgrade my Sprint Pre- to webOS 2.1 until I am confident that everything works fine Mar 15 00:40:23 * Mark_M not ready to be completely bleeding edge right now. Mar 15 00:40:24 it works fine for me Mar 15 00:40:35 PatrickC even Sprint Nav? Mar 15 00:40:37 then, I'm not using a activated dev Mar 15 00:41:02 PatrickC, no offense but you don't count. :) Mar 15 00:41:07 lol Mar 15 00:41:22 I and others are working on fixing sprint nav Mar 15 00:41:24 :) Mar 15 00:41:53 PatrickC, great. I am still holding out for HP to release a doctor for Sprint. Call me crazy. Mar 15 00:42:06 I doubt that'll happen Mar 15 00:42:31 PatrickC, you are probably right Mar 15 00:43:34 I was successful at changing the default I/O scheduler. It will work as long as I keep using the UberKernel. Mar 15 00:43:38 if it can't be done using public tools, it can't be talked about here re: sprint nav Mar 15 00:44:14 I wonder why Govnah doesn't allow permanently setting of the scheduler. Mar 15 00:44:33 but fixing it and making a *legal* way to get it can be talked about Mar 15 00:45:28 right? Mar 15 00:45:35 Wasted 1.5 hours with Sprint to fix a repeating SMS issue only to find out it was an Airave problem. Mar 15 00:45:47 ooo Mar 15 00:45:49 stinks Mar 15 00:45:57 but Airave is awesome! Mar 15 00:46:02 I got one Mar 15 00:46:07 if its done using only public stuff, sure Mar 15 00:46:10 Just venting. I know this is not the place for it. Mar 15 00:46:18 I love my Airave even though it is wonky. Mar 15 00:46:25 brb, gotta get daughter Mar 15 00:46:32 halfhalo: I'm trying to make it work using public stuff Mar 15 00:47:32 if you can do it without referencing any nda stuff, more power to you Mar 15 00:47:47 I'm trying to Mar 15 00:48:35 good luck with that Mar 15 00:49:39 yep Mar 15 00:50:21 since I seriously doubt you can pull it off Mar 15 00:51:40 but I *mite* be able to Mar 15 00:54:24 and I might win the lottery. but to fix sprint Nav you are gonna need a whole lotta low level skill Mar 15 00:54:34 Mark_M: I plused my device Mar 15 00:54:38 plussed Mar 15 00:54:42 or what ever Mar 15 00:55:06 about the only thing that was hard was doing it out of order since I had to put it back together again for the tokens Mar 15 00:55:28 the extra memory is nice and the speed of system when overclocked is even nicer Mar 15 00:55:40 certainly smoother than 1.4.5 Mar 15 00:55:42 it's a dog Mar 15 00:56:05 if I had known it was this slow compared to an EVO I would have gotten it sooner Mar 15 00:57:07 so I'm sticking with the RVO for now because of the 4G Mar 15 00:57:11 EVO Mar 15 01:02:33 podcast tonight eh ? Mar 15 01:03:11 bhuey, I know many people of done it but I use Nav quite a bit. I'd hate to get lost in Hillcrest. :) Mar 15 01:03:27 ...or Barrio Logan Mar 15 01:04:05 Mark_M: what ? you're in San Diego ? Mar 15 01:04:46 bhuey, no but I use to live there in Del Mar and I go back frequently. Mar 15 01:04:51 shit Mar 15 01:05:09 I'm in San Francisco now for a vacation but I live in Hillcrest Mar 15 01:05:15 san diego native Mar 15 01:05:23 I use to work in Sorrento Valley. I saw you were using Cox SD. Mar 15 01:05:30 oh Mar 15 01:05:31 I only lived there 11 years Mar 15 01:06:06 bhuey, I blew out of there in Jan '04 right after the fires...not because of the fires though. Mar 15 01:06:12 I finally moved off my pre since it got crushed Mar 15 01:06:15 I'm using an EVO now Mar 15 01:06:26 local ftw Mar 15 01:06:48 I'm still holding out for the Pre3 on Sprint. It better happen because I have been with Sprint since they first turned up the SD network. Mar 15 01:07:02 good that I have the screen protector for it since I've droppd it twice now pretty hard Mar 15 01:07:13 I still think the Sprint is the best value in wireless. Mar 15 01:07:18 I think so as well Mar 15 01:07:33 the problem is the palm hardaer Mar 15 01:07:47 I travel all over North America, and I have great service almost everywhere. Mar 15 01:08:03 who is in the pocast Mar 15 01:08:08 who is who on what video screenns Mar 15 01:08:14 i see 4 videos Mar 15 01:10:08 I'm lazy and I can find the URL for the podcast. Where can I see the video please? Mar 15 01:10:18 http://www.webosroundup.com/webosradio-live/ Mar 15 01:10:41 yea who is who ? Mar 15 01:10:53 sethron, thanks. I just found it too. but thanks! Mar 15 01:11:28 * sethron maybe one day i'll be able to see the podcast on a pre Mar 15 01:11:35 webos 2.1 on EVO hardare would rock Mar 15 01:12:13 bhuey, keep dreaming Mar 15 01:12:33 not much of a choice :) Mar 15 01:12:42 bhuey, Sprint needs to announce their LTE strategy so they can have a LTE capable Pre3. Mar 15 01:12:54 don't like wimax ? Mar 15 01:12:59 I'm suing it now, it's freak'n fast Mar 15 01:13:02 using Mar 15 01:13:11 s/suing/using/ Mar 15 01:13:37 I am a big proponent of the WiMAX standard but they lost the standards wars. LTE won. Mar 15 01:13:52 because of verizon and company ? Mar 15 01:14:10 sprint doesn't have a lot of wimax around in major areas Mar 15 01:14:18 the san francisco deployment is relatively limited Mar 15 01:14:26 I'm sure they can abandon it if they want Mar 15 01:14:34 and not feel like it's going to crush them Mar 15 01:14:36 bhuey, not just VzW, but Vodafone, T-Mobile, AT&T, NTT, and many others in 3GPP Mar 15 01:15:05 the good thing is that Sprint only blew money on having Clear build the network. Mar 15 01:15:30 This gives them options to pursue an LTE strategy and they have technology on their side. Mar 15 01:15:37 yeah sprint needs a roaming partner, and with wimax they're not going to get that Mar 15 01:16:20 don't we (sprint) roam to vzw? Mar 15 01:16:28 yes Mar 15 01:16:39 then don't we have a roaming partner? Mar 15 01:16:52 well clearwire isn't doing that well Mar 15 01:16:58 not sure what fucked the up Mar 15 01:17:19 PatrickC, but on 4G they wont roam to vzw Mar 15 01:17:26 true Mar 15 01:17:28 isn't it just called "clear" now? Mar 15 01:17:31 short term it's not a big deal Mar 15 01:17:32 what about LTE? Mar 15 01:17:40 long term however.... Mar 15 01:49:28 what are folks using for facebook chat on 2.1 these days ? Mar 15 01:49:36 nothing Mar 15 01:49:41 I'm working on that... Mar 15 01:49:50 not having very much luck Mar 15 01:50:47 yeah just about have my sprint pre plus back up Mar 15 01:51:04 did it visit the doctor? Mar 15 01:51:16 yes Mar 15 01:51:22 many times Mar 15 01:51:25 2.1 Mar 15 01:51:30 lol Mar 15 01:52:34 * PatrickC wishes we could share the moded Doctors Mar 15 01:53:52 2.1 + uberkernel is quite fast Mar 15 01:54:06 * bhuey is wasting time playing around Mar 15 01:54:40 * PatrickC wants to try SR71, but isn't brave enoughj Mar 15 01:54:51 s/enoughj/enough Mar 15 02:05:56 fuck where's my facebook jabber client support for 2.1 ? Mar 15 02:06:40 facebook jabber? Mar 15 02:06:44 yeah Mar 15 02:06:55 facebook also supports jabber connectivity Mar 15 02:07:06 this is pissing me off Mar 15 02:07:16 can I luna-send a java restart? Mar 15 02:07:30 then go back to 1.4.5? Mar 15 02:08:04 EV icon + airplane mode icon =? Mar 15 02:09:06 any help???????? Mar 15 02:09:15 wifi on, but phone offline Mar 15 02:09:30 the hell do you keep doing to your phone man Mar 15 02:09:44 this is my dads Mar 15 02:09:53 just got it today Mar 15 02:09:59 like 2 hr ago Mar 15 02:10:24 doctor it with 1.4.5 Mar 15 02:10:47 doctor is the only fix? Mar 15 02:11:06 probably not, but by god it's the easiest Mar 15 02:11:33 we are trying a regular boot Mar 15 02:14:58 full boot fix nothing Mar 15 02:15:27 that's funny Mar 15 02:15:36 "full boot" doesn't really look like "doctor it" Mar 15 02:16:01 although I guess they are both 8 letters, so I'm sure that's where the confusion came from Mar 15 02:16:41 he already restarted it when you said doctor Mar 15 02:20:29 PatrickC: SR71 works fine on my pre minus Mar 15 02:20:39 although my battery runs out so fast :) Mar 15 02:20:45 brb Mar 15 02:20:47 ok cool Mar 15 02:20:50 might try it Mar 15 02:50:38 little bit no see folks! Mar 15 02:55:22 anyone know why the Gesture Tutorial just makes the device unusable on 2.1? Mar 15 02:55:44 For profile login, I assume? Mar 15 02:56:11 sine: yeah Mar 15 02:58:15 Though I would like to let people run the gesture tutorial when I let them use my device, but i always forget so i guess it doesn't really matter.. ;^) Mar 15 02:58:18 oops, brb **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Mar 15 02:59:56 2011