**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Mar 15 02:59:57 2011
Mar 15 03:02:09 <PatrickC_School> this pre is messed up
Mar 15 03:02:16 <PatrickC_School> tripple toggle doesn't work
Mar 15 03:02:19 <PatrickC_School> :o
Mar 15 03:02:36 <SineOt> did you doctor it yet :I
Mar 15 03:04:27 <wgreenhouse> hmm, is the wiki's warning about ATT Pre+'s 9.9.9ing still valid?
Mar 15 03:04:51 <rwhitby-away> yes
Mar 15 03:07:26 <wgreenhouse> but it should be "safe" to perform only the first part of step 3, leaving me with a phone running 2.1 and a profile that says 1.40.50?
Mar 15 03:10:57 <rwhitby> run the full 6 steps as the wiki states. don't use the test-meta-* script
Mar 15 03:11:49 <rwhitby> I have removed the second part from the wiki
Mar 15 03:13:49 <wgreenhouse> thanks
Mar 15 03:25:14 <kostka> rwhitby: may I ask about the webos 2 upgrade wiki, in adding flash support part?
Mar 15 03:25:22 <kostka> i'm using easiest way
Mar 15 03:25:39 <rwhitby> just follow the steps in Jason's thread.
Mar 15 03:25:55 <kostka> but in the end, i have to do from manual way
Mar 15 03:26:03 <kostka> editing /usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.browser/app/controllers/preferences-assistant.js
Mar 15 03:26:20 <kostka> can the edit part added to easiest way?
Mar 15 03:26:21 <rwhitby> I know nothing about it - Pre 2 has flash by default.
Mar 15 03:26:54 <kostka> b'coz before doing that, there aren't any flash preferences in browser
Mar 15 03:27:09 <rwhitby> I'd actually prefer that someone put the flash stuff on a separate page, and just had a single link on the upgrade page
Mar 15 03:27:21 <rwhitby> if you do that, you can do what you like on the new flash page
Mar 15 03:27:36 <kostka> i'm using 02 pre minus doctored with your script, btw :)
Mar 15 03:27:42 <kostka> oh okay
Mar 15 03:27:50 <rwhitby> I believe there is a patch in preware for the preferences.
Mar 15 03:29:05 <kostka> I didn't notice about the patch in preware before applying easy way from Jason
Mar 15 03:29:23 <rwhitby> add that on the wiki where you would have seen it then
Mar 15 03:29:48 <rwhitby> no-one should ever manually edit system files
Mar 15 03:30:02 <kostka> ok
Mar 15 03:30:29 <kostka> I just following Jason's way step-by-step on the wiki :)
Mar 15 03:31:13 <kostka> still no flash until I manually edit preferences-assistant.js file
Mar 15 03:31:18 <rwhitby> sounds like it's missing a step then
Mar 15 03:31:27 <kostka> and flash works normally till now
Mar 15 03:32:38 <kostka> that's what I thought
Mar 15 03:32:59 <kostka> so is it okay if I just add the edit part in the bottom of easy way?
Mar 15 03:33:11 <kostka> or should I create on a separate page?
Mar 15 03:33:24 <rwhitby> I'd prefer a separate page
Mar 15 03:34:20 <WillJitsu> I activated a Sprint Pre on my account today and reset it so I could load my own palm profile. some patches were installed previously and they seem to still be intact, but Preware is not recognizing they are installed. is there something I can do to fix that or do I need to do a full webos doctor and start oveR?
Mar 15 03:34:33 <ajay> ok i'm back.. so is this a common problem on 2.x, the Gesture Tutorial on an unactivated developer phone is unworkable? is there another way to login to a palm profile?
Mar 15 03:34:38 <kostka> okay then, I hope can do it quickly in my lunch break
Mar 15 03:34:46 <kostka> thanks rwhitby! :)
Mar 15 03:35:01 <rwhitby> WillJitsu: any time you do a device erase, do a doctor too.
Mar 15 03:35:19 <WillJitsu> rwhitby: got it. thanks!
Mar 15 03:35:25 <rwhitby> ajay: use the meta-doctor and --wifi-only
Mar 15 03:35:56 <SineOt> ajay: if it's the crash where it says that it's restarting, just manually restart it with a triple wiggle
Mar 15 03:36:18 <ajay> rwhit: Oh I'll have to redoctor?  btb ('big time bummer' :)
Mar 15 03:36:33 <ajay> sine: It doesn't say anything, just black screen
Mar 15 03:36:38 <rwhitby> should have done it right the first time ;)
Mar 15 03:36:58 <rwhitby> palm methods are incompatible with a profile.
Mar 15 03:38:00 <ajay> Well, I don't really need to redoctor if I can get a q answered--are there any ramifications/downfalls to loading a 1.4.5 profile on 2.1?
Mar 15 03:38:21 <ajay> Some say you can't go back to 1.4.5, some say you can, it's pretty confusing ..
Mar 15 03:38:59 <ajay> that's my real question, about the possibility of going back, or if going back is only possible by disabling backups.  (yes reading the wiki page)
Mar 15 03:39:28 <Mark_M> This is why I'm going to wait a while longer before doing it.  Hopefully Sprint Nav will be working too.
Mar 15 03:39:48 <Mark_M> rwhitby, was there a reason for not making the I/O Scheduler sticky in Govnah?
Mar 15 03:40:05 <rwhitby> Mark_M: no-one has written the code to do so
Mar 15 03:40:14 <rwhitby> so the reason is laziness
Mar 15 03:40:15 <ajay> I'm still wondering what changed that makes sprint nav not work.. actually, i'm wondering if people have been installing sprint nav properly..
Mar 15 03:40:31 <Mark_M> rwhitby, lazyness is a reason.
Mar 15 03:40:50 <rwhitby> 1.4.5 and 2.0 binaries are not compatible for some things.  sprint nav is one of those things.  PRL provisioner is another
Mar 15 03:41:10 <ajay> I told EdCates I'd test the Vz apps outta doctor, but i've been out of town the past few weeks and haven't been able to, has this been validated?
Mar 15 03:41:32 <rwhitby> what's the wiki say?
Mar 15 03:41:39 <rwhitby> (it's up to date)
Mar 15 03:41:54 <Mark_M> All the change is is to check for the kernel type, identify scheduler options, and change one line in /etc/init.d/swaphack.sh
Mar 15 03:42:20 <rwhitby> "patches welcome"
Mar 15 03:42:52 <rwhitby> but you really don't want to be changing palm files.  better to add a new upstart script which overrides it
Mar 15 03:43:08 <Mark_M> rwhitby, my problem is that I have been too lazy to read the fine documentation to know how to write and submit code to webos-internals
Mar 15 03:44:07 <rwhitby> point me to a URL with the patch against the git repo
Mar 15 03:45:19 <Mark_M> You are right that it is better to create a script but Govnah just does "echo sched_name > /proc/block/mmcblk0/queue/scheduler"
Mar 15 03:45:42 <Mark_M> that changes the scheduler until the next boot
Mar 15 03:45:46 <rwhitby> you want that to be an upstart script, with a safety check in it
Mar 15 03:46:01 <rwhitby> so it is not applied on an unclean boot
Mar 15 03:46:33 <rwhitby> like the other scripts
Mar 15 03:46:51 <Mark_M> So we create a script and throw it in /etc/rcX.d
Mar 15 03:47:10 <rwhitby> no, put it in the same place as the other govnah upstart scripts
Mar 15 03:47:26 <rwhitby> govnah doesn't need write access to the root partition - everything is under /var
Mar 15 03:47:52 <Mark_M> rwhitby, see I haven't really discected the great work with the kernles and Govnah
Mar 15 03:48:09 <rwhitby> git.webos-internals.org
Mar 15 03:48:22 <Mark_M> I use to work on SysV so I am use to getting down 'n dirty
Mar 15 03:48:33 <rwhitby> applications/govnah.git/src/luna_methods.c
Mar 15 03:48:37 <Mark_M> rwhitby, as I said, I need to do some homework
Mar 15 03:49:17 <Mark_M> The last thing I want to do is some half-assed hack
Mar 15 03:51:49 * rwhitby bbt
Mar 15 03:55:07 <kostka> rwhitby: I just create the adding flash support page
Mar 15 03:55:26 <kostka> edit the upgrade webos 2 page, and make link to new page
Mar 15 03:55:38 <kostka> would you check? tia
Mar 15 03:56:18 <scoutcamper> kostka, rwhitby is sleeping now, what is question?
Mar 15 03:56:36 <kostka> oh hi scoutcamper
Mar 15 03:56:51 <kostka> I just talked to rwhitby about adding flash support
Mar 15 03:57:08 <kostka> and suggested to create separate page about it
Mar 15 03:57:32 <kostka> I just did, adding 2 more steps in Jason's way
Mar 15 03:57:34 <scoutcamper> ok, yes, you make the wiki page and link it
Mar 15 03:57:48 <kostka> actually this is my first time adding and editing the wiki page
Mar 15 03:57:50 <kostka> :D
Mar 15 03:58:08 <kostka> so would you please check it and confirm if I'm doing something wrong?
Mar 15 03:58:17 <scoutcamper> limk?
Mar 15 03:58:23 <kostka> actually I just move the adding flash support part to new page
Mar 15 03:58:25 <scoutcamper> s/limk/link/
Mar 15 03:58:25 <infobot> scoutcamper meant: link?
Mar 15 03:58:26 <kostka> hold on
Mar 15 03:58:55 <kostka> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_2_Upgrade#Adobe_Flash
Mar 15 03:59:17 <scoutcamper> looks good
Mar 15 03:59:31 <kostka> is that okay?
Mar 15 03:59:36 <scoutcamper> yep
Mar 15 03:59:45 <kostka> thanks :)
Mar 15 03:59:50 <scoutcamper> np
Mar 15 04:00:58 <kostka> actually beside asking about flash support, I also want to ask about linphone
Mar 15 04:01:19 <kostka> is it possible to join as linphone alpha tester?
Mar 15 04:01:27 <ajay> from the wiki-TelCel Pre "you will not be able to purchase apps that require a minimum webOS 2.x version"?  Sounds like you won't be able to buy apps that req a 1.4.5 profile version! burn Telcellers (By Palm? Telcel? all of the above?) :(
Mar 15 04:02:03 <kostka> ajay: pls check your profile at palm.com/palmprofile
Mar 15 04:02:25 <kostka> if it says 2.1.0, then you'll be able to purchase apps that require a minimum webOS 2.x
Mar 15 04:02:48 <scoutcamper> kostka, ask rwhitby when he is not sleeping :b
Mar 15 04:03:07 <ajay> kost: i don't have a telcel pre, i was just the wiki to find out about vz, and was just feeling bad for the telcellers
Mar 15 04:03:28 <kostka> scoutcamper: oh okay then :) thanks again :D
Mar 15 04:03:39 <kostka> ajay: oh ic :)
Mar 15 04:05:10 <ajay> What I was more wondering about was if anyone here has tried going from 1.4.5->2.x->1.4.5?
Mar 15 04:05:55 <kostka> many alpha tester tried that
Mar 15 04:06:23 <kostka> b'coz at first attempt (before rwhitby making any scritps), palm profile shows 9.9.9 in version
Mar 15 04:06:52 <kostka> so, we have to go back 1.4.5, delete and turn off Backup, then doctoring back to 2.1.0
Mar 15 04:07:14 <ajay> it would just super-suck to lose all contacts (among other bits)
Mar 15 04:08:27 <kostka> i'm using google contact, so it would just be messages, memos and errr.. I forgot.. one thing else.. that lose
Mar 15 04:08:27 <kostka> :D
Mar 15 04:09:15 <kostka> but that's okay.. b'coz I'd like to try webOS 2.1.0 on my pre minus more than any other thing that lose
Mar 15 04:09:55 <RagingMind> kostka, it's been a while since I tried, but I couldn't get quick install to install the package cleanly
Mar 15 04:10:48 <kostka> which version do u use? i'm still using version 3.14
Mar 15 04:11:02 <RagingMind> 4.04
Mar 15 04:11:03 <kostka> b'coz I cannot install anything using version 4.x :))
Mar 15 04:11:07 <RagingMind> ah...
Mar 15 04:11:19 <kostka> yeap.. the ipk still there after install complete
Mar 15 04:11:32 <kostka> and cannot find it in my device
Mar 15 04:11:45 <RagingMind> most of what I read in the forums suggested quick install for the patch and preware for the ipk
Mar 15 04:12:37 <kostka> mm.. actually I'm just using it to install SysToolsMgr and FileMgr
Mar 15 04:12:52 <kostka> b'coz if we install it using preware, the service won't run
Mar 15 04:13:24 <kostka> any other patch and application, using preware is most comfortable way :)
Mar 15 04:16:23 <ajay> what? why did my phone just turn off? crap, guess it craves attention
Mar 15 04:18:36 <ajay> any verizon folks out there?
Mar 15 04:19:33 <RagingMind> yup
Mar 15 04:21:22 <ajay> raging: you 2.1'd? how's it goin?
Mar 15 04:22:55 <RagingMind> I'm on 2.1 and it's going great
Mar 15 04:23:43 <ajay> raging: did you move your 1.4.5 profile over?
Mar 15 04:24:03 <RagingMind> I have 2 profiles, one I made for testing and my real one
Mar 15 04:24:14 <RagingMind> I've used both (starting with the testing one) on 2.1
Mar 15 04:24:27 <RagingMind> but they are both still 1.4.5 profiles according to palm
Mar 15 04:25:22 <RagingMind> I'm waiting till verizon pre2 gets 2.1 so that the verizon meta script can take advantage of that doctor (and those versions of verizon apps) before I doctor again and attempt to get a 2.1 profile
Mar 15 04:25:40 <ajay> raging: have you tried to login to one of them on a 1.4.5 device after having logged in on 2.x?
Mar 15 04:26:16 <ajay> raging: I thought I read somewhere that verizon Pre+'s could fake 2.1 now?
Mar 15 04:26:28 <RagingMind> No...  all my movement has been towards newer versions, just in little steps
Mar 15 04:26:34 <ajay> raging: if 1.4.5 was any indication, 2.1 Pre2's gonna be a minute!
Mar 15 04:26:48 <ajay> (and the pre2 for that matter1)
Mar 15 04:26:49 <ajay> !
Mar 15 04:27:18 <wanderer2000> hi
Mar 15 04:27:22 <RagingMind> yeah... but I"m content with my phone as-is for the moment, so I can wait
Mar 15 04:27:42 <RagingMind> there aren't any 2+ apps that I really want yet
Mar 15 04:27:43 <SineOt> I'm getting more and more frustrated with 1.4.5 on my Pixi as time goes by.
Mar 15 04:27:52 <SineOt> It's just up and started restarting itself without warning.
Mar 15 04:28:06 <ajay> sineot: sounds like a hw issue to me!
Mar 15 04:28:23 <RagingMind> my BF is about to activate his Pixi+ and I'm afraid that it'll give him a bad impression of webOS
Mar 15 04:28:48 <ajay> I just spoke to someone recently that went from Pre to Pixi and is ok with the experience
Mar 15 04:28:58 <SineOt> ajay: it hardlocks luna and then shuts itself off
Mar 15 04:29:19 <SineOt> I'm going to get a replacement, it's just a major pain in the ass since Sprint won't let you request a replacement anywhere but a "hardware repair store"
Mar 15 04:29:26 <ajay> Maybe it's not scientific, but I tend to attribute linux locks/crashes to hardware more oft than software
Mar 15 04:29:45 <ajay> sineot: there seem to be quite a few of those though?  (I know of 2 within half hour of me)
Mar 15 04:30:01 <SineOt> there's one and it's like, a 45 minute drive and way out of the way
Mar 15 04:30:14 <SineOt> even though there's 7-8 corporate stores within 20 minutes of here
Mar 15 04:30:28 <ajay> ah.. one of my friends is like.. hours (upon hours?) from a sprint store, but he claims he can always take care of everything he needs over the phone
Mar 15 04:30:54 <SineOt> I guess I could try that
Mar 15 04:31:07 <wanderer2000> what about palm support?
Mar 15 04:31:09 <ajay> i don't know about replacements, but it's worth a try
Mar 15 04:31:22 <ajay> oh i always wonder about palm's warranty support..
Mar 15 04:31:31 <SineOt> Palm Support is confusing
Mar 15 04:31:48 <SineOt> with some stuff saying you have to pay, some stuff saying you don't have to, some saying you have to send your device to them before they ship you the replacement and blah blah
Mar 15 04:32:05 <SineOt> and I'll take having a half working phone over no phone for 5-7 business days
Mar 15 04:32:52 <wanderer2000> can u novaterm into device and run something like:  tail -f /var/log/messages
Mar 15 04:33:11 <wanderer2000> there is a chance that you will see problem in logs before device restarts
Mar 15 04:33:14 <ajay> hopefully palm or sprint would ship you a device first, but.. maybe not for palm
Mar 15 04:33:45 <wanderer2000> second, you can always check /var/log/messages
Mar 15 04:34:32 <SineOt> Sprint will... Although it's another pain in the ass
Mar 15 04:35:02 <SineOt> they only ship the replacement to the repair store, so I have to go in once to have them go "oh yeah it's broken" and request a replacement device, then I have to go back out again to pick it up
Mar 15 04:37:19 <ajay> hmm.. i wonder if they are more helpful when there is not a sprint store within x miles of you..
Mar 15 04:38:32 <SineOt> not really :/
Mar 15 04:38:42 <SineOt> although it might depend on the person working
Mar 15 04:39:09 <SineOt> my first Pixi replacement was because the keyboard backlight died on the left side... it's a real obvious problem if you have a pair of eyes
Mar 15 04:39:22 <SineOt> but they said that they can't request repairs unless it's at one of the repair stores
Mar 15 04:48:48 <ajay> damn i think the metadoctor deleted my vz pre2 2.0.1 doctor.. gah.. (or was it me?)
Mar 15 04:50:58 <ajay> oh found it, luckily it only deleted a symlink
Mar 15 04:53:53 <RagingMind> destinal, the 2.1 pre+ doctor has the right graphics parts?
Mar 15 04:56:21 <ajay> crap the vz 2.1 doctor doesn't include skype.. more script hacking!
Mar 15 04:56:44 <RagingMind> ajay, you're the one that tested it before?
Mar 15 04:57:01 <RagingMind> no one else seems to have it working to any usable degree, so it's been left out of the scripts
Mar 15 04:58:45 <destinal> RagingMind: heh, yeah for those only here in this channel I should note that I've gotten the 2.0.1 pre2 doctor running on a sprint pre using those bits from the 2.1.0 pre+ doctor
Mar 15 04:59:17 <destinal> so we're no longer dependent on anything except those bits being available in any form
Mar 15 05:00:15 <RagingMind> until webos3
Mar 15 05:01:23 <destinal> that depends I suppose, it may or may not break then
Mar 15 05:02:28 <PatrickC_Pixi> sr71 broke my pre :'(
Mar 15 05:02:36 <PatrickC_Pixi> endless boot cycle
Mar 15 05:03:13 <ajay> raging: yeah i'll test it again.. i've been 1.4.5'in it (with a broken 1.4.5 doctor, somehow) for the last few weeks
Mar 15 05:03:49 <ajay> weird that i was able to get things to work that nobody else did.. or maybe after i got it to work vz blocked it!
Mar 15 05:04:15 <PatrickC_Pixi> blocked what?
Mar 15 05:04:45 <ajay> skype from working on the VzPre+ 2.1, i'll doctor to that in a day or few..
Mar 15 05:05:00 <RagingMind> ajay, it's the install and getting it to run that I think people had trouble with
Mar 15 05:06:15 <ajay> raging: oh.. weird.
Mar 15 05:06:31 * PatrickC_Pixi needs to figure out how to use Git on puppy
Mar 15 05:06:53 <PatrickC_Pixi> anyone here use puppy?
Mar 15 05:08:25 <ajay> i'm surprised it'd be more difficult to get git to work on a diff distro.. i have a feeling nobody here'll be able to help ya..
Mar 15 05:08:52 <PatrickC_Pixi> sudo doesn't work
Mar 15 05:09:10 <PatrickC_Pixi> and nor do git commands
Mar 15 05:09:38 <ajay> i think your learning curve on using puppy because far before git :)
Mar 15 05:10:22 <ajay> damn webOS doctor isn't seein my device.. gah
Mar 15 05:10:39 <PatrickC_Pixi> recovery mode?
Mar 15 05:11:13 <ajay> seems unnecessary, but i can..
Mar 15 05:11:37 <ajay> oh damn i forgot how hard it is to use a device that doesn't have a power button and isn't in dev mode..
Mar 15 05:11:40 <PatrickC_Pixi> I always go to recovery mode to do it
Mar 15 05:12:00 <wgreenhouse> PatrickC_Pixi: you probably need to figure out how to install those pkgs first...and I use debian, not puppy :-/
Mar 15 05:12:33 <PatrickC_Pixi> well, I'm just gonna use cygwin
Mar 15 05:12:44 <PatrickC_Pixi> sr71 broke my pre :'(
Mar 15 05:12:51 <destinal> ajay: enable dev mode?
Mar 15 05:12:54 <PatrickC_Pixi> endless boot cycle
Mar 15 05:12:58 <ajay> doin it :)
Mar 15 05:13:53 <PatrickC_Pixi> any suggestions short of a visit to the doctor
Mar 15 05:13:58 <ajay> oh good.. during the dev-mode'ing doctor found the device
Mar 15 05:14:01 <ajay> bbiab
Mar 15 05:14:19 * ajay wishes his computer could notify him if the doctor fails while he makes food.. (in a separate room)
Mar 15 05:14:48 <ajay> oh weird the WOI logo is on during doctoring.. haha those funny boys.. I think that they should keep the USB symbol there though!!
Mar 15 05:15:13 <PatrickC_Pixi> Tux?
Mar 15 05:15:33 <PatrickC_Pixi> Tux is awesome
Mar 15 05:18:06 <SineOt> man I just brewed my own
Mar 15 05:18:16 <SineOt> Rainbow Dash :3
Mar 15 05:18:20 <SineOt> with a flashing rainbow
Mar 15 05:21:56 <ajay> oh he only shows up briefly, then it's back to putting stuff on the chip, got it, that's cool then.
Mar 15 05:22:15 <ajay> 64%.. bbl
Mar 15 05:27:29 <ajay-away> actually, what am i thinking, i'm not going to test this until after eating anyways, so will be back tomorrow or next day to report..
Mar 15 05:33:23 <kostka> PatrickC_Pixi: what kind of pre do u use?
Mar 15 05:33:45 <PatrickC_Pixi> vzw pre+
Mar 15 05:33:56 <PatrickC_Pixi> I decided it needed to visit the doctor
Mar 15 05:34:13 <PatrickC_Pixi> sineot: the problem fixed itself with the "phone off" problem
Mar 15 05:34:25 <PatrickC_Pixi> I'm still building the 2.1 doctor though
Mar 15 05:34:31 <kostka> i think so.. since it got endless boot cycle
Mar 15 05:35:18 <PatrickC_Pixi> it's at the doctor, charging
Mar 15 05:37:20 <kostka> it'll be fine :)
Mar 15 05:38:21 <PatrickC_Pixi> I kniw
Mar 15 05:38:27 <PatrickC_Pixi> but I didn't want to doctor
Mar 15 05:38:28 <PatrickC_Pixi> lol
Mar 15 05:38:59 <kostka> :))
Mar 15 05:39:16 <kostka> brb
Mar 15 05:39:22 <PatrickC_Pixi> I'm building my dad a sprint pre- 2.1 script
Mar 15 05:39:22 <PatrickC_Pixi> kk
Mar 15 05:40:15 <PatrickC_Pixi> the doctor finally thought it had enough charge
Mar 15 05:41:48 <PatrickC_Pixi> ROM image is up
Mar 15 05:42:57 <kostka> back
Mar 15 05:43:01 <kostka> that's great
Mar 15 05:45:26 <kostka> installing new f102b delta dagger.. just shows up at preware and says it rebuild for webos 2.1.0 at changelog
Mar 15 05:46:08 <PatrickC_Pixi> do UberKernel
Mar 15 05:46:14 <PatrickC_Pixi> it has 1GHz
Mar 15 05:46:39 <PatrickC_Pixi> halfhalo: ping
Mar 15 05:46:41 <kostka> already did.. UK with screenstate 500/1000
Mar 15 05:46:56 <PatrickC_Pixi> it's nice isn't it :)
Mar 15 05:46:56 <kostka> av8 harrier II as well
Mar 15 05:47:07 <PatrickC_Pixi> I haven't done harrier
Mar 15 05:47:08 <kostka> yes it is :)
Mar 15 05:47:18 <PatrickC_Pixi> sr71 broke it :'(
Mar 15 05:47:26 <kostka> although I might consider to buy higher capacity battery :p
Mar 15 05:47:39 <PatrickC_Pixi> lol
Mar 15 05:48:03 * PatrickC_Pixi wishes he didn't have to doctor
Mar 15 05:48:39 <PatrickC_Pixi> shouldn't be much longer though
Mar 15 05:49:10 <PatrickC_Pixi> wow, it jumped from 50% to 72% in like 20 seconds :D
Mar 15 05:49:10 <kostka> that's okay.. i doctor-ed about 4-5 times to tried out webOS 2.1.0
Mar 15 05:49:18 <kostka> :))
Mar 15 05:49:33 <PatrickC_Pixi> yeep
Mar 15 05:50:04 <PatrickC_Pixi> what device do you have?
Mar 15 05:50:31 <PatrickC_Pixi> it's done!!!!
Mar 15 05:50:32 <PatrickC_Pixi> yay
Mar 15 05:50:37 <PatrickC_Pixi> I see Tux
Mar 15 05:50:43 <PatrickC_Pixi> :) :) :)
Mar 15 05:51:07 <PatrickC_Pixi> now, the script just needs to finish for the sprint doctor
Mar 15 05:51:32 <kostka> o2 pre minus
Mar 15 05:51:38 <kostka> cool :)
Mar 15 05:51:38 <PatrickC_Pixi> oil: whos your service provider?
Mar 15 05:52:01 <PatrickC_Pixi> now comes the fun part of the script :)
Mar 15 05:52:08 <PatrickC_Pixi> doctors finished downloading
Mar 15 05:52:53 <kostka> don't have any of cdma devices (sprint, verizon), so never have a chance to look at the scripts fun part :)
Mar 15 05:53:08 <PatrickC_Pixi> lol
Mar 15 05:55:16 <kostka> how is it?
Mar 15 05:56:32 <PatrickC_Pixi> trying to boot webosqi
Mar 15 06:07:00 <PatrickC_Pixi> PCs KB stopped working
Mar 15 06:07:14 <kostka> how come?
Mar 15 06:07:29 <kostka> which version of webosqi?
Mar 15 06:12:52 <PatrickC_Pixi> 4.03
Mar 15 06:13:09 <kostka> ic
Mar 15 06:13:30 <PatrickC_Pixi> but the computer decided to stop working
Mar 15 06:14:19 <PatrickC_Pixi> I can't find where the meta-doctor file is
Mar 15 06:14:34 <PatrickC_Pixi> I looked, and it's not in USER/meta-doctor
Mar 15 06:15:00 <kostka> could be java instalation problem
Mar 15 06:15:10 <kostka> I used to uninstall and install java again
Mar 15 06:15:25 <kostka> hang on, let me check where my file is
Mar 15 06:16:43 <kostka> it should be in meta-doctor/build/meta-o2-pre-2.10 (mine)
Mar 15 06:17:22 <kostka> meta-verizon-preplus-2.1.0 perhaps?
Mar 15 06:20:44 <PatrickC_Pixi> I know where it *should* be, but I don't see it there
Mar 15 06:21:35 <PatrickC_Pixi> torchie: whos your service provider?
Mar 15 06:21:53 <torchie> sprint
Mar 15 06:21:55 <kostka> how about the system log while it build?
Mar 15 06:22:16 <kostka> using script?
Mar 15 06:22:19 <PatrickC_Pixi> no KB
Mar 15 06:22:36 <PatrickC_Pixi> had to restart PC
Mar 15 06:22:48 <kostka> at the end of meta-doctor process, it should shows where the build file located
Mar 15 06:23:13 <PatrickC_Pixi> I'll have to look for it...
Mar 15 06:24:50 <PatrickC_Pixi> it didn't download at all :'(
Mar 15 06:25:59 <kostka> but how about any error or log message?
Mar 15 06:27:15 <PatrickC_Pixi> I *might* have found it
Mar 15 06:28:14 <PatrickC_Pixi> nm
Mar 15 06:36:15 <rendernyc_> hello
Mar 15 06:36:43 <rendernyc_> geez theres a lot of people in this channel
Mar 15 06:37:17 <rendernyc_> anyone care to answer some vzw webos 2 ?s
Mar 15 06:39:16 <rendernyc_> :-/ guess not
Mar 15 06:39:22 <PatrickC_Pixi> I an
Mar 15 06:39:32 <rendernyc_> hi PatrickC_Pixi
Mar 15 06:39:48 <PatrickC_Pixi> hello
Mar 15 06:40:07 <PatrickC_Pixi> pre+ 2.1 question?
Mar 15 06:40:15 <rendernyc_> does anyone rhink vzw will officialy release a 2.1 upgrade for the pre plus?
Mar 15 06:40:28 <rendernyc_> been holding off on metadoctoring
Mar 15 06:40:32 <PatrickC_Pixi> I don't think they will
Mar 15 06:40:37 <PatrickC_Pixi> I meta-doctored
Mar 15 06:40:38 <rendernyc_> me neither
Mar 15 06:40:47 <PatrickC_Pixi> it's nice
Mar 15 06:40:52 <rendernyc_> what about yuor profile... apps etc
Mar 15 06:41:02 <rendernyc_> id hate to lose my paid apps
Mar 15 06:41:06 <PatrickC_Pixi> metaview: what carrier?
Mar 15 06:41:24 <PatrickC_Pixi> I don't believe apps *can* be lost
Mar 15 06:41:32 <PatrickC_Pixi> rwhitby would know for sure
Mar 15 06:41:43 <rendernyc_> are you using teh same profile or made a new one?
Mar 15 06:41:57 <PatrickC_Pixi> s/rwhitby/rwhitby-away
Mar 15 06:42:13 <PatrickC_Pixi> I'm using the same profile
Mar 15 06:42:14 <rendernyc_> im currently running a pixi on my acct with a sep profile from my real one thats on my pre+
Mar 15 06:42:29 <rendernyc_> but itching to load 2.1
Mar 15 06:42:38 <PatrickC_Pixi> then load it
Mar 15 06:42:43 <PatrickC_Pixi> it's really nice
Mar 15 06:42:52 <rendernyc_> are you using your original profile?
Mar 15 06:43:15 <PatrickC_Pixi> yes
Mar 15 06:43:23 <PatrickC_Pixi> I had to erase backup data
Mar 15 06:43:35 <PatrickC_Pixi> the wiki explanes all the risks in detail
Mar 15 06:43:39 <rendernyc_> yah
Mar 15 06:43:44 <rendernyc_> been reading and rereading
Mar 15 06:44:07 <rendernyc_> just wish vzw would have just released it... bastages
Mar 15 06:44:40 <rendernyc_> the lady just dumped her pre for vziphone
Mar 15 06:44:45 <rendernyc_> im holding out
Mar 15 06:45:04 <PatrickC_Pixi> hold out man
Mar 15 06:45:05 <MetaView> hi
Mar 15 06:45:07 <PatrickC_Pixi> it's worth it
Mar 15 06:45:08 <PatrickC_Pixi> hay
Mar 15 06:45:17 <PatrickC_Pixi> what carier do you have?
Mar 15 06:45:23 <MetaView> O2
Mar 15 06:45:56 <PatrickC_Pixi> ok
Mar 15 06:47:42 <rendernyc_> are you VZ PatrickC_Pixi ?
Mar 15 06:47:43 <PatrickC_Pixi> doctor can't continue problem =?
Mar 15 06:47:49 <PatrickC_Pixi> I'm sprint
Mar 15 06:47:53 <rendernyc_> ah
Mar 15 06:48:02 <PatrickC_Pixi> but I have a vzw devicw
Mar 15 06:48:11 <PatrickC_Pixi> s/devicw/device/
Mar 15 06:48:11 <infobot> PatrickC_Pixi meant: but I have a vzw device
Mar 15 06:48:19 <rendernyc_> can u buy 2.0 apps
Mar 15 06:48:20 <rendernyc_> ?
Mar 15 06:48:29 <PatrickC_Pixi> I *can*
Mar 15 06:48:35 <PatrickC_Pixi> but I'm not going to :p
Mar 15 06:48:40 <rendernyc_> heh
Mar 15 06:49:45 <PatrickC_Pixi> what happens if I remove the battery while the pre is in recovery mode?
Mar 15 06:50:43 <PatrickC_Pixi> any ideas?
Mar 15 06:51:03 <ice8lue> sconix, are you online?
Mar 15 06:51:27 <ice8lue> hey@all
Mar 15 06:51:39 <PatrickC_Pixi> hay ice8lue
Mar 15 06:52:09 <ice8lue> hey PatrickC_Pixi
Mar 15 06:52:29 <PatrickC_Pixi> any idea what happens if I remove the battery while the pre is in recovery mode?
Mar 15 06:52:47 <ice8lue> mhh, best case nothing
Mar 15 06:52:56 <ice8lue> though you shouldn't do so
Mar 15 06:53:01 <PatrickC_Pixi> worst case?
Mar 15 06:53:16 <ice8lue> a brick
Mar 15 06:53:26 <ice8lue> or at least something hard to recover
Mar 15 06:53:33 <PatrickC_Pixi> I though you couldn't brick them :p
Mar 15 06:53:54 <ice8lue> you can, but it really is hard
Mar 15 06:54:13 <PatrickC_Pixi> isn't it just "recovery mode, run doctor, enjoy"?
Mar 15 06:54:15 <ice8lue> but though it's not as easy to recover a nearly bricked pre
Mar 15 06:54:35 <ice8lue> recovery mode depends on the bootloader i think
Mar 15 06:55:04 <ice8lue> if the bootloader crashes while pull of battery while running, it can be hard to enter recovery mode again
Mar 15 06:55:15 <PatrickC_Pixi> well, I'm trying to doctor my dad's phone to 2.1
Mar 15 06:55:43 <ice8lue> so why would you want to pull battery?
Mar 15 06:55:49 <PatrickC_Pixi> and it told me the first run "doctor cannot complete"
Mar 15 06:55:54 <PatrickC_Pixi> and it's in recovery mode
Mar 15 06:56:03 <ice8lue> ah
Mar 15 06:56:13 <ice8lue> mh i think you could pull it at this state
Mar 15 06:56:22 <ice8lue> at which percentage?
Mar 15 06:56:37 <PatrickC_Pixi> 0% batt charging
Mar 15 06:56:48 <PatrickC_Pixi> been that way for about 5-10 min
Mar 15 06:57:11 <ice8lue> ya it's safe there
Mar 15 06:57:21 <ice8lue> at this point nothing happened so far
Mar 15 06:57:24 <PatrickC_Pixi> safe where?
Mar 15 06:57:29 <PatrickC_Pixi> oh ok
Mar 15 06:57:35 <PatrickC_Pixi> I re-ran the doctor
Mar 15 06:58:17 <PatrickC_Pixi> s/re-ran/am trying the doctor again/
Mar 15 06:58:18 <infobot> PatrickC_Pixi meant: I am trying the doctor again the doctor
Mar 15 06:59:15 <ice8lue> pkay
Mar 15 06:59:34 <PatrickC_Pixi> what happens if I un-plug it while it's charging?
Mar 15 06:59:35 <ice8lue> s/pkay/okay
Mar 15 06:59:47 <ice8lue> doctor crashes
Mar 15 06:59:59 <PatrickC_Pixi> anything else?
Mar 15 07:00:12 <PatrickC_Pixi> anything.... *bad*?
Mar 15 07:00:21 <ice8lue> it shouldn't
Mar 15 07:00:39 <ice8lue> the doctor works like that:
Mar 15 07:00:52 <PatrickC_Pixi> hrmmm.
Mar 15 07:00:57 <PatrickC_Pixi> I wish I knew for sure
Mar 15 07:01:08 <ice8lue> until 10% it only copys update files to the phone and does preparations
Mar 15 07:01:10 <PatrickC_Pixi> I would prefer to charge it via wall, then via usb
Mar 15 07:01:15 <ice8lue> it not directly touches the running system
Mar 15 07:01:29 <PatrickC_Pixi> well, it's *still* at 0% charging battery
Mar 15 07:02:57 <PatrickC_Pixi> ok wow......
Mar 15 07:03:12 <PatrickC_Pixi> I pulled the usb cable, and it still thinks it's plugged in....
Mar 15 07:03:26 <PatrickC_Pixi> how do I exit recovery mode?
Mar 15 07:03:30 <PatrickC_Pixi> can I?
Mar 15 07:04:52 <ice8lue> hmm...pulling battery ;)
Mar 15 07:05:06 <ice8lue> the existing system isn't running ?
Mar 15 07:06:45 <PatrickC_Pixi> well, a power button hold got me out of recovery mode :)
Mar 15 07:06:53 <ice8lue> ^^
Mar 15 07:06:59 <PatrickC_Pixi> I'm going to charge it, and try again later
Mar 15 07:07:12 <PatrickC_Pixi> lets see if it boots 1.4.5
Mar 15 07:07:45 <ice8lue> try updating from within the running system
Mar 15 07:07:48 <PatrickC_Pixi> cryptk: ping!
Mar 15 07:07:57 <PatrickC_Pixi> what?
Mar 15 07:09:02 * PatrickC_Pixi wishes sprint just made this easy
Mar 15 07:09:44 <PatrickC_Pixi> it booted 1.4.5!
Mar 15 07:14:47 <PatrickC_Pixi> wb
Mar 15 07:15:13 * PatrickC_Pixi needs to find someone on sprint...
Mar 15 07:16:07 <ice8lue> strange reconnect...
Mar 15 07:16:39 <PatrickC_Pixi> what carrier are you on?
Mar 15 07:17:25 <kostka> PatrickC_Pixi: I have the same problem when first doctoring to 2.1.0
Mar 15 07:17:30 <kostka> didn't work well
Mar 15 07:17:38 <PatrickC_Pixi> what did you do to fix it?
Mar 15 07:17:39 <ice8lue> hey Adora =)
Mar 15 07:17:39 <ice8lue> me? vodafone, o2 germany pre-
Mar 15 07:17:40 <kostka> have to restart the PC
Mar 15 07:17:53 <PatrickC_Pixi> restart the PC?
Mar 15 07:17:54 <kostka> re-install novacom driver
Mar 15 07:17:58 <MetaView> adora?
Mar 15 07:18:09 <PatrickC_Pixi> really??
Mar 15 07:18:18 <kostka> PatrickC_Pixi: yes
Mar 15 07:18:21 <MetaView> charge your phone to >90% and try again
Mar 15 07:18:23 <Adora> mmm?
Mar 15 07:18:30 <PatrickC_Pixi> I just ran the 2.1 doctor for my pre+ about 10 min before...
Mar 15 07:18:39 <PatrickC_Pixi> that's what we're doing metaview
Mar 15 07:18:40 <MetaView> hm, just a test :)
Mar 15 07:18:42 <kostka> yes, that too.. charge your phone before trying doctoring again
Mar 15 07:18:52 <PatrickC_Pixi> gonna do that
Mar 15 07:19:02 <PatrickC_Pixi> it was at about 9% batt when we started
Mar 15 07:19:08 <kostka> ah ic
Mar 15 07:19:19 <kostka> at least above 50%
Mar 15 07:19:29 <PatrickC_Pixi> yea
Mar 15 07:19:40 <MetaView> PatrickC_Pixi: you just didn't wait long enough
Mar 15 07:19:49 <ice8lue> Adora, do you know when the dev devices will be shipped again?
Mar 15 07:20:03 <Adora> I do not
Mar 15 07:20:04 <PatrickC_Pixi> I waited about 15 min and it still said 0% and charging
Mar 15 07:20:10 <Adora> sry  -\
Mar 15 07:20:13 <Adora> =\
Mar 15 07:20:20 <PatrickC_Pixi> y not? you know everything I thought??
Mar 15 07:20:25 <MetaView> isn't it middle of the night in US?
Mar 15 07:20:29 <ice8lue> No problem, just gonna wait =)
Mar 15 07:20:41 <PatrickC_Pixi> yes it is :)
Mar 15 07:20:52 <PatrickC_Pixi> 2:18 AM here :)
Mar 15 07:21:14 <MetaView> oh, you better go to bed, it's a hard day tomorrow again :)
Mar 15 07:21:29 <PatrickC_Pixi> I know
Mar 15 07:21:43 <PatrickC_Pixi> I gotta get Preware on the phone before I go to bed :p
Mar 15 07:22:30 <PatrickC_Pixi> adora: when do I get my dev Touchpad?
Mar 15 07:22:31 <ice8lue> brb, gotta reboot to windows
Mar 15 07:22:42 <PatrickC_Pixi> dual-boot?
Mar 15 07:22:55 <Adora> PatrickC_Pixi:  after I get mine  =]
Mar 15 07:23:00 <ice8lue> xD PatrickC_Pixi: ya waiting for that one too xD yap, tripple
Mar 15 07:23:15 <PatrickC_Pixi> lol
Mar 15 07:23:26 <PatrickC_Pixi> will they ship at the same time?
Mar 15 07:23:54 <ice8lue> there really is a touchpad program already?
Mar 15 07:23:55 <PatrickC_Pixi> at least now I have the Flash IPK
Mar 15 07:24:05 <ice8lue> thought that was a joke
Mar 15 07:24:23 <PatrickC_Pixi> it is a joke lol
Mar 15 07:24:29 <ice8lue> =0(
Mar 15 07:25:00 <PatrickC_Pixi> it'll probably be just a discount program like how the Pre2 started out
Mar 15 07:25:11 <ice8lue> not bad, though
Mar 15 07:25:16 <PatrickC_Pixi> true
Mar 15 07:25:26 <PatrickC_Pixi> though we don't know the price point...
Mar 15 07:25:31 <PatrickC_Pixi> adora? :)
Mar 15 07:25:34 <ice8lue> well, atm i just hope my pre 2 will be shipped soon =)
Mar 15 07:25:50 <PatrickC_Pixi> same here
Mar 15 07:25:51 <MetaView> Some people just write BB-Apps for the PlayBook
Mar 15 07:25:52 <ice8lue> precentral said something of 499$ 10"
Mar 15 07:26:00 <PatrickC_Pixi> sent my ingo to Adela on Sat
Mar 15 07:26:02 <ice8lue> i think
Mar 15 07:26:06 <MetaView> Maybe HP should offer something similar
Mar 15 07:26:11 <PatrickC_Pixi> s/ingo/info/
Mar 15 07:26:11 <infobot> PatrickC_Pixi meant: sent my info to Adela on Sat
Mar 15 07:26:30 <ice8lue> well, i was approved on 02/23
Mar 15 07:26:52 <MetaView> Write an app which needs to be approved, and get a TouchPad
Mar 15 07:26:53 <ice8lue> but adam told me they are out of stock atm
Mar 15 07:27:03 <PatrickC_Pixi> I was quicky approved on sat
Mar 15 07:29:11 * PatrickC_Pixi wants to be a beta tester for webOS PC
Mar 15 07:29:50 * ice8lue too
Mar 15 07:30:13 <PatrickC_Pixi> I think we *all* do
Mar 15 07:30:23 <PatrickC_Pixi> hows it run adora? :p
Mar 15 07:34:03 <PatrickC_Pixi> night all
Mar 15 07:34:23 <ice8lue> mh let her sleep^
Mar 15 07:34:40 <ice8lue> we'll get to know that soon enough ;) gnight
Mar 15 07:34:51 <PatrickC_Pixi> lol
Mar 15 07:34:52 <PatrickC_Pixi> nite
Mar 15 07:37:29 <MetaView> New app submitted...
Mar 15 07:39:55 <kostka> MetaView: cool! what kind of app?
Mar 15 07:40:19 <MetaView> called Save A Buck and lists all Apps in the catalog which are on sale right now
Mar 15 07:41:20 <MetaView> http://twitpic.com/49jmz0 http://twitpic.com/49jnfq
Mar 15 07:43:07 <kostka> how long does it take after submitted until it shows up in app catalog?
Mar 15 07:43:18 <MetaView> 2 days if I'm lucky
Mar 15 07:44:23 <kostka> and if not? :))
Mar 15 07:44:41 <MetaView> well, I have one app which is there since over 10 days
Mar 15 07:45:01 <MetaView> I've already alerted chuqui
Mar 15 07:45:31 <MetaView> from time to time you fall into a worm hole
Mar 15 07:47:01 <kostka> oh ic
Mar 15 07:47:17 <kostka> and chuqui is the one who's responsible for the app catalog?
Mar 15 07:48:02 <MetaView> he is the main developer contact
Mar 15 07:48:37 <MetaView> I think Adora is responsible for the approvment process
Mar 15 07:49:03 <kostka> oh ok
Mar 15 07:50:00 <kostka> few days ago I just visited to your blog
Mar 15 07:50:17 <kostka> looking for workaround to make terminal works on webos 2.1.0
Mar 15 07:51:00 <kostka> but it seems only works at pre2 as you mention in the post?
Mar 15 07:56:15 <MetaView> not really, I also got one positive report from a PrePlus
Mar 15 07:56:33 <MetaView> I don't know ther reason why it works for one and not for the other
Mar 15 07:56:52 <MetaView> Actually I have 2 devices, one (Pre2) works, one not (PrePlus)
Mar 15 07:57:39 <kostka> so your pre plus not working while the other works.. hmm
Mar 15 07:58:09 <MetaView> yes
Mar 15 07:58:26 <MetaView> wait, another idea...
Mar 15 07:58:38 <kostka> is it okay to talk about your blog post here? b'coz i'm not registered yet there
Mar 15 07:58:53 <sjsharksfan> hello folks, question on comm board swap process for sprint pre- to a pre2, I have created the webOS Dr 2.1 for converted pre- with meta-doctor, I still need to run my back ups and swap the hardware, not to mention input my tokens before install, my question is I cannot find where this newest version of the dr that I just created goes to, so I can save and pick up where I left off tomorrow
Mar 15 07:58:55 <MetaView> it's ok
Mar 15 07:59:14 <sjsharksfan> is this something that I should just do the whole process in one swoop?
Mar 15 07:59:22 <kostka> in this point: 6. find the line with terminus and change jail-game.conf to jail-native_palm.confjail_native-palm.conf (thx to AUDEMARS02 for the correction)
Mar 15 07:59:32 <MetaView> yes
Mar 15 07:59:42 <kostka> mine is jail_game.conf, instead of jail-game.conf
Mar 15 07:59:44 <MetaView> sjsharksfan: isn't it in build?
Mar 15 08:00:16 <sjsharksfan> tokens?
Mar 15 08:00:28 <MetaView> no the doctor
Mar 15 08:00:49 <sjsharksfan> oh, I cant find that freakin folder..  :?
Mar 15 08:01:07 <sjsharksfan> i am stumped on that
Mar 15 08:01:22 <sjsharksfan> thats where I thought I should be looking, but its not in /meta-doctor
Mar 15 08:01:23 <MetaView> kostka: maybe I made a mistake... you could check the /etc/ to see what the name of the config files are
Mar 15 08:02:25 <MetaView> the folder meta doctor has build, downloads, patches, scripts
Mar 15 08:02:31 <MetaView> for me
Mar 15 08:02:44 <MetaView> but I created it some weeks ago
Mar 15 08:03:28 <kostka> MetaView: I check it right away
Mar 15 08:04:11 <sjsharksfan> I didnt manually create the builds folder, how can I rebuild that whole thing? I did git pull, andmake clobber
Mar 15 08:04:18 <MetaView> my PrePlus has no ssh installed, hm
Mar 15 08:04:46 <MetaView> and what was the ouput of make clobber?
Mar 15 08:05:04 <MetaView> shouldn't this give you a hint where the resulting doctor is?
Mar 15 08:06:00 <sjsharksfan> found it!
Mar 15 08:06:43 <sjsharksfan> wow..  just that tiny bit of guidence to look in the ect folder..  genious and didnt even know it..  ;)
Mar 15 08:08:05 <sjsharksfan> I gotta crash for now, thanks for the help meta
Mar 15 08:08:27 <MetaView> welome
Mar 15 08:08:47 <kostka> MetaView: it's jail_game.conf in /etc/
Mar 15 08:11:10 <MetaView> ok, and what's the name fo the palm native?
Mar 15 08:12:32 <kostka> the same like your post: jail_native-palm.conf
Mar 15 08:13:48 <kostka> does it affected with the kernel I'm using? should I try that with default kernel?
Mar 15 08:14:04 <MetaView> no, I use the default too
Mar 15 08:14:58 <kostka> just try applied that once more, then rebooting my pre
Mar 15 08:15:04 <MetaView> ok
Mar 15 08:15:05 <kostka> will see after reboot
Mar 15 08:17:13 <MetaView> 2011-03-15T08:14:30.373352Z [26610] palm-webos user.debug jailer[23887]: Failed to mount /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/us.ryanhope.terminus on /var/palm/jail/us.ryanhope.terminus/media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/us.ryanhope.terminus (ret -1 error 2): No such file or directory
Mar 15 08:17:32 <MetaView> seems, this is the error
Mar 15 08:20:19 <MetaView> hm, strange
Mar 15 08:21:19 <kostka> yeap, still not working :)
Mar 15 08:21:36 <kostka> ah, should install ssh as well to see the log
Mar 15 08:22:54 <MetaView> ok
Mar 15 08:23:18 <MetaView> on my PrePlus the folder in /var/palm/jail is from root
Mar 15 08:23:24 <MetaView> on my Pre2 it is from jailuser
Mar 15 08:24:55 <MetaView> now my linux knowledge is too weak
Mar 15 08:25:07 <MetaView> but I guess this might be the reason
Mar 15 08:25:12 <kostka> already check from internalz, there isn't /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/us.ryanhope.terminus on /var/palm/jail/us.ryanhope.terminus/media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/us.ryanhope.terminus
Mar 15 08:25:37 <kostka> maybe I can try to copy that manually
Mar 15 08:25:54 <kostka> to see if it works
Mar 15 08:26:30 <MetaView> please try ls -l /var/palm/jail
Mar 15 08:27:01 <kostka> ok, hang on
Mar 15 08:27:47 <kostka> four directory below it
Mar 15 08:29:52 <kostka> sorry, brb MetaView
Mar 15 08:31:51 <ice8lue> phew, back now^^
Mar 15 08:51:53 <rwhitby-away> MetaView: BTW, take a look at the hello app in our git repo.  I'm going to use the same jail-escape technique for the X windows stuff (including XTerm)
Mar 15 08:52:08 <MetaView> ah, ok
Mar 15 08:52:39 <MetaView> the jail folders are different between my Pre2 and my PrePlus, strange
Mar 15 08:52:48 <MetaView> but I have a look into the hello app
Mar 15 08:53:01 <rwhitby-away> it's two lines in the postinst
Mar 15 08:53:13 <rwhitby-away> completely non-intrusive for other apps
Mar 15 08:54:33 <MetaView> let me see, what you do :)
Mar 15 08:55:00 <rwhitby-away> it also works for node.js services and should work for PDK plugins too
Mar 15 08:55:34 <rwhitby-away> and doesn't need a dependency package, so can be included in a single-package homebrew ipkg file that is palm-install'able
Mar 15 08:56:14 <kostka> back
Mar 15 08:56:30 <MetaView> you're nt going to remove the entry in jailusers?
Mar 15 08:56:57 <rwhitby-away> webOS should do that automatically
Mar 15 08:57:08 <rwhitby-away> just like any other app
Mar 15 08:57:33 <MetaView> hm, but webos doesn#t tremove the stuff in /var/palm/jail
Mar 15 08:58:49 <rwhitby-away> with this method, that stuff never gets created
Mar 15 08:58:54 <bikekowal> hi guys
Mar 15 08:59:21 <bikekowal> i have quick question - I have pre 2 - unlocked version from UK
Mar 15 08:59:25 <MetaView> because you write the entry before the app gets called the first time, hm
Mar 15 09:00:25 <bikekowal> how to upgrade the webos to v2.1?system updates says my pre 2 is up-to date
Mar 15 09:00:50 <bikekowal> what to do?
Mar 15 09:01:56 <MetaView> rwhitby-away: chnaged the line in jailusers to 4999:5000:us.ryanhope.terminus:/dev/null:/etc/jail_native-palm.conf
Mar 15 09:02:09 <MetaView> rename the dir in jail
Mar 15 09:02:20 <MetaView> now I get this: http://pastebin.com/QtzpseRK
Mar 15 09:03:24 <kostka> :D
Mar 15 09:03:34 <rwhitby-away> MetaView: are you sure you don't have another line in jailuers which matches?
Mar 15 09:03:55 <MetaView> yes, I'm sure
Mar 15 09:03:57 <rwhitby-away> MetaView: and are you sure the jail is not already active? you rebooted to clean the mounts, right?
Mar 15 09:04:01 <MetaView> there are only 2 lines
Mar 15 09:04:19 <rwhitby-away> MetaView: well, you can see in the hello app that it works there, so what is different?
Mar 15 09:04:21 <MetaView> one btw is from an app I removed
Mar 15 09:04:41 <MetaView> rwhitby-away: does it work on every device?
Mar 15 09:04:56 <rwhitby-away> I've tested it on Pre 2, 2.1.0
Mar 15 09:05:16 <MetaView> on a Pre2, terminus runs with the chnaged entry ni jailusers
Mar 15 09:05:23 <MetaView> on my PrePlus it doesn't
Mar 15 09:05:41 <MetaView> and there are more people around, for some it works, for some it doesn't
Mar 15 09:05:48 <rwhitby-away> what version is the PrePlus?
Mar 15 09:05:53 <MetaView> 2.1.0
Mar 15 09:06:00 <MetaView> doctored
Mar 15 09:06:06 <MetaView> the Pre2 is by OTA
Mar 15 09:06:24 <MetaView> kostka: 2.1.0? doctor or OTA?
Mar 15 09:06:36 <kostka> o2 pre minus 2.1.0 doctor
Mar 15 09:06:46 <MetaView> it doesn't work for kostka too
Mar 15 09:07:12 <rwhitby-away> I would want to see an empty jail directory and jailusers, then a reboot, then install app with this line in postinst, and then see the log.
Mar 15 09:07:48 <MetaView> ok, I go and try the hello first, then I will doctor the PrePlus
Mar 15 09:08:15 <rwhitby-away> I also tested on the emulator.
Mar 15 09:08:31 <kostka> for empty jail directory and jailusers we have to doctor it again?
Mar 15 09:08:31 <MetaView> is the hello app in the beta feed?
Mar 15 09:08:40 <rwhitby-away> MetaView: not in any feed.
Mar 15 09:08:44 <MetaView> for jail directory it seems to me
Mar 15 09:09:06 <MetaView> but is a c-service, needs compilationß
Mar 15 09:09:13 <MetaView> can you send me the ipkg?
Mar 15 09:11:53 <rwhitby-away> yep
Mar 15 09:12:06 <rwhitby-away> oh, not right now, sorry.
Mar 15 09:12:19 <rwhitby-away> I will also need to compile it for device.
Mar 15 09:12:29 <rwhitby-away> I will fix it up to go in the feed first.
Mar 15 09:13:32 <MetaView> ok, I'll wait
Mar 15 09:13:51 <rwhitby-away> I'm working on X11 apps first
Mar 15 09:14:00 <rwhitby-away> want to get xterm working
Mar 15 09:26:54 <kostka> rwhitby-away: xterm not launch?
Mar 15 09:29:14 <rwhitby-away> correct, that is what I am fixing
Mar 15 09:31:36 <kostka> oh, perhaps you could check what I did to the wiki earlier, if you have time of course: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_2_Upgrade#Adobe_Flash
Mar 15 09:31:56 <MetaView> rwhitby-away: look at this: http://pastebin.com/dJJLX2t5
Mar 15 09:31:59 <kostka> already create separate page about flash and link to it
Mar 15 09:32:27 <rwhitby-away> MetaView: I just checked xterm-launcher and the technique works for it on a Pre 2 running 2.1.0
Mar 15 09:32:30 <MetaView> on my Preplus it isn't suing the palm_native, but is checking for type game
Mar 15 09:32:42 <rwhitby-away> unfortunately, as I am on a business trip to the US, I don't have any other devices for testing
Mar 15 09:32:57 <MetaView> yes, I have, and it doesn#t work for PrePlus
Mar 15 09:34:21 <rwhitby-away> MetaView: what does /etc/jail_native-palm.conf have inside it on your device?
Mar 15 09:34:53 <MetaView> # no jail
Mar 15 09:34:54 <MetaView> nojail:true
Mar 15 09:35:17 <MetaView> the same on both
Mar 15 09:35:24 <MetaView> same user rights
Mar 15 09:35:47 <rwhitby-away> must be a bug in the jailer binary on PrePlus
Mar 15 09:36:13 <MetaView> yes, or it acts differently on device type?
Mar 15 09:36:24 <MetaView> it explicitly checks the device type and prints it
Mar 15 09:36:28 <rwhitby-away> have you straced the jailer binary?
Mar 15 09:36:33 <MetaView> nope
Mar 15 09:36:55 <rwhitby-away> that would be the next thing for you to do
Mar 15 09:37:02 <MetaView> just doing :)
Mar 15 09:41:21 <MetaView> some mmap2 lines are different
Mar 15 09:41:36 <MetaView> I can't find an hint to jailusers at all
Mar 15 09:53:40 <kostka> novaterm failed, and now my laptop is stuck while restarting :(
Mar 15 09:57:18 <rwhitby-away> MetaView: please test the new XTerm
Mar 15 09:57:45 <kostka> rwhitby-away: already update in preware?
Mar 15 09:57:53 <rwhitby-away> yep, testing feed
Mar 15 09:58:03 <MetaView> kostka: happens to me too from time to tiem, switch the laptop off and restart
Mar 15 09:58:51 <kostka> MetaView: is it java problem? or something else?
Mar 15 09:59:01 <MetaView> don't know
Mar 15 09:59:09 <kostka> updating xterm
Mar 15 09:59:18 <MetaView> I guess some USB-driver problem with windows
Mar 15 09:59:31 <MetaView> feed addresss?
Mar 15 09:59:37 <rwhitby-away> the problem is just windows ;)
Mar 15 09:59:46 <rwhitby-away> MetaView: normal app testing feed
Mar 15 09:59:50 <rwhitby-away> ~testing-feeds
Mar 15 09:59:51 <infobot> methinks testing-feeds is a means of testing new WebOS Internals products, documented at http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Testing_Feeds
Mar 15 10:00:00 <kostka> rwhitby-away: launching now.. and it works :)
Mar 15 10:00:20 <kostka> rwhitby-away: yeap.. windows 7 :p
Mar 15 10:03:28 <kostka> oh btw, rwhitby-away, can I participate in linphone alpha tester?
Mar 15 10:03:40 <rwhitby-away> kostka: what device and sip provider?
Mar 15 10:04:05 <MetaView> runs on PrePlus
Mar 15 10:04:31 <kostka> my device is o2 pre minus and sip provider is callcentric
Mar 15 10:05:06 <MetaView> hm, same entries in jailuser like terminus
Mar 15 10:05:43 <MetaView> no entry in /var/palm/jail
Mar 15 10:07:53 <kostka> symbols not working in xterm
Mar 15 10:08:18 <kostka> is it the same like terminal non-obvious keys?
Mar 15 10:08:33 <MetaView> meta-tap doesn't work in 2.1 or?
Mar 15 10:08:51 <kostka> nm, it's not working
Mar 15 10:09:21 <MetaView> without a replacement for tab-key and cursor keys, the terminal emus are hard to use
Mar 15 10:10:23 <rwhitby-away> indeed.  patches welcome :)
Mar 15 10:10:27 <kostka> just try to run 2.x vkb while on xterm screen, press several keys, my pre hangs then reboot :))
Mar 15 10:10:47 <rwhitby-away> what do you expect from code that was intentionally not enabled by Palm?
Mar 15 10:11:22 <kostka> nothing.. just trying it out :)
Mar 15 10:11:44 <MetaView> rwhitby-away: if I get it to compile...
Mar 15 10:19:21 <MetaView> ah! i found it
Mar 15 10:19:25 <MetaView> OMG
Mar 15 10:19:32 <MetaView> that's such a stupid thing...
Mar 15 10:21:54 <rwhitby-away> what was it?
Mar 15 10:22:08 <MetaView> rwhitby-away: the line ending in the jailusers file
Mar 15 10:22:19 <MetaView> internalz starts with windows line endings per default
Mar 15 10:22:20 <rwhitby-away> ah, we can blame windows again?
Mar 15 10:22:36 <MetaView> in my Pre2 I chnaged them to Linux on the PrePlus it still was with Windows
Mar 15 10:22:50 <MetaView> the jailer doesn't find the entry, because of the \r
Mar 15 10:23:15 <MetaView> that's why my other app (simple) wasn#t removed from the file, even if I did removed it from the device before
Mar 15 10:23:25 <kostka-away> rwhitby-away: lol
Mar 15 10:23:33 <MetaView> I just used vi to check thefile again, then I saw it...
Mar 15 10:23:47 <MetaView> that's stupid.. really
Mar 15 10:24:19 <rwhitby-away> stupid of Internalz to default to windows line endings, yes.
Mar 15 10:24:37 <kostka-away> MetaView: no you're not.. since I'm the one here who doesn't understand what you're talking about :)
Mar 15 10:24:38 * rwhitby-away changes that in preferences now
Mar 15 10:24:51 <MetaView> yes
Mar 15 10:25:21 <MetaView> this is just a connection of several lazy things and stupid defaults
Mar 15 10:27:07 <kostka-away> ok, I just change it to Linux in preferences
Mar 15 10:27:15 <kostka-away> and then, what's next?
Mar 15 10:27:56 <MetaView> open the jailusers file
Mar 15 10:28:07 <MetaView> go to the end of the line, make a new line
Mar 15 10:28:24 <MetaView> and remove the previous new line which is just beneath this line
Mar 15 10:31:09 <kostka-away> ok, pls don't get mad.. I just want to make things straight
Mar 15 10:31:16 <kostka-away> in my recent jailusers file
Mar 15 10:31:22 <kostka-away> already several lines in it
Mar 15 10:31:54 <kostka-away> I just go to end of the bottom line, make a new line (which is an empty line)
Mar 15 10:32:41 <kostka-away> and then remove previous one below new line I just created?
Mar 15 10:33:10 <MetaView> no, go to end of the line with terminus
Mar 15 10:33:24 <MetaView> make a new line
Mar 15 10:33:30 <kostka-away> I can't find a way to do it inside internalz
Mar 15 10:33:52 <kostka-away> but terminus is still in the same state, doesn't show anything
Mar 15 10:33:55 <MetaView> the line where the stuff for terminus is defined?
Mar 15 10:34:07 <MetaView> there you go to the end
Mar 15 10:34:15 <MetaView> there you make a new newline
Mar 15 10:34:21 <kostka-away> oh ok.. the terminus line u mean?
Mar 15 10:34:22 <kostka-away> ok
Mar 15 10:34:33 <MetaView> then you go to the previous newline and remove it
Mar 15 10:37:26 <kostka-away> yes, it's works! :)
Mar 15 10:37:49 <kostka-away> thanks a lot MetaView and rwhitby-away for making this possible
Mar 15 10:37:58 <kostka-away> you guys are AWESOME! :D
Mar 15 10:38:10 <Frost> indeed they are
Mar 15 10:38:20 <kostka-away> :)
Mar 15 10:38:52 <Frost> MetaView: you don't happen to know if there's some way to get around the fact that my prompt goes blank if I run the clear command, or if I try to tab-complete a command?
Mar 15 10:39:12 <MetaView> no clue
Mar 15 10:39:31 <Frost> ok
Mar 15 10:39:48 <kostka-away> nice talking to you guys
Mar 15 10:39:56 <kostka-away> but I have to call it a day
Mar 15 10:39:59 <Frost> the same thing happens in novaterm, so I'd guess it's probably something to do with the shell and/or $TERM
Mar 15 10:40:04 <kostka-away> have to go home now :)
Mar 15 10:40:15 <kostka-away> bbt
Mar 15 10:40:21 <kostka-away> thanks again
Mar 15 10:41:27 <Frost> oh, nevermind. the `clear` command doesn't wipe my prompt, but ^L and ^I does
Mar 15 10:41:50 <MetaView> do you have a tab char replacement?
Mar 15 10:43:27 <Frost> I'm not entirely sure on what that means?
Mar 15 10:43:50 <MetaView> well, how do you do tab-completion in Terminus?
Mar 15 10:43:57 <Frost> ctrl+I
Mar 15 10:44:15 <Frost> that is, sym+I
Mar 15 10:44:46 <MetaView> ah, and this clears the prompt, hm, a pitty
Mar 15 10:45:32 <Frost> oh, but it doesn't if I use bash instead
Mar 15 10:45:57 <Frost> so it seems related to the default shell, which I believe is ash
Mar 15 10:46:36 <Frost> I just installed the "borne again shell" preware package, and ran 'bash' in terminus, and now ^I doesn't clear the prompt
Mar 15 10:46:44 <MetaView> cool
Mar 15 10:46:52 <Frost> On the other hand, it made ^L not work
Mar 15 10:47:02 <MetaView> what about up and down to get the previous commnds
Mar 15 10:48:18 <Frost> how would I do that? gesture+2 for up like it says on http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Terminal, or what?
Mar 15 10:49:23 <Frost>  that doesn't seem to work
Mar 15 10:52:38 <MetaView> no it doesn#t work, I thought you might found a different key combo
Mar 15 10:53:21 <Frost> nope
Mar 15 11:00:48 <Lichtlos> MetaView: I != l
Mar 15 11:06:53 <jettero> I'm surprised to not find anything on the wiki about adding fonts.  I want a ton more unicode symbols, does anyone do this?
Mar 15 11:27:41 <rwhitby-away> anyone else seeing this when running Software Manager?
Mar 15 11:27:43 <rwhitby-away> 2011-03-15T11:24:01.746643Z [601] palm-webos user.crit node_spawner: 2538 (node_spawner) PJSON src/pjson_c/jobject.c:1886 :: Trying to access 0 as a number
Mar 15 11:38:35 <Frankk> hello
Mar 15 11:39:11 <Frankk> I have a question on first time activation and the App Catalog availability
Mar 15 11:39:31 <Frankk> I have received my palm pre 2 and I live in Italy
Mar 15 11:39:44 <rwhitby-away> activate on an official carrier in an official launch country, or risk not getting access to the app catalog
Mar 15 11:39:49 <Frankk> I would like to start use it in italy with my italian sim card
Mar 15 11:40:04 <rwhitby-away> you will risk never being able to access paid apps if you do that
Mar 15 11:40:29 <Frankk> If I insert my sim card, bypass activation and use it not activated?
Mar 15 11:40:48 <rwhitby-away> you still won't be able to access paid apps
Mar 15 11:40:52 <Frankk> will thid permanently register my phone as italian?
Mar 15 11:40:57 <rwhitby-away> yes
Mar 15 11:41:10 <Frankk> arg :(
Mar 15 11:41:12 <rwhitby-away> if you log into a palm profile that is
Mar 15 11:41:24 <rwhitby-away> and logging into a palm profile is the only way to access paid apps
Mar 15 11:41:26 <Frankk> even if I don't run first time and don't select language ecc
Mar 15 11:41:42 <Frankk> sorry, i explained myself bad
Mar 15 11:41:52 <Frankk> I will be in UK next month
Mar 15 11:41:59 <rwhitby-away> do it then, using a UK sim
Mar 15 11:42:08 <Frankk> i would like to start use my phone in italy (even without paid apps)
Mar 15 11:42:20 <rwhitby-away> double check in the PreCentral thread that Italy is one of the billing countries for credit cards
Mar 15 11:42:20 <Frankk> even without apps at all
Mar 15 11:42:48 <Frankk> i will do, ty
Mar 15 11:42:51 <rwhitby-away> if you do that, you will need to webOS Doctor it when you go the UK
Mar 15 11:43:02 <Frankk> that's ok
Mar 15 11:44:19 <Frankk> so if I insert my sim card now (italian) and do NOT log in to any profile AND NOT select any language I will still be able to activate next month in UK and have paid app access, right?
Mar 15 11:44:30 <rwhitby-away> use #*DEVMODE# to put it in devmode.  then webOS doctor it when you go to the UK
Mar 15 11:44:38 <Frankk> perfect, ty :)
Mar 15 11:44:48 <Frankk> sorry, but I wanted to be 100000% sure
Mar 15 11:44:59 <rwhitby-away> I believe that will work, but you cannot blame me if it fails.
Mar 15 11:45:10 <Frankk> sure, of course
Mar 15 11:50:10 * rwhitby-away bbl
Mar 15 12:39:43 <ice8lue> heyho
Mar 15 14:20:59 <PatrickC_Pixi> hello
Mar 15 14:23:41 <PatrickC_Pixi> hay frost
Mar 15 14:23:51 <Frost> hello
Mar 15 14:24:07 <PatrickC_Pixi> hows it goin?
Mar 15 14:24:44 <Frost> ok I guess... My irc screen apparently decided that it should reconnect to freenode
Mar 15 14:25:01 <PatrickC_Pixi> lol
Mar 15 14:25:19 <Frost> other than that, I'm trying to learn some statistics and probability theory
Mar 15 14:25:20 <PatrickC_Pixi> well, last night my pre decided to enter an endless boot cycle
Mar 15 14:25:36 <PatrickC_Pixi> what year in college?
Mar 15 14:26:06 <Frost> good question... I should've taken this course years ago
Mar 15 14:26:21 <PatrickC_Pixi> lol
Mar 15 14:26:24 <Frost> I study at KTH (http://www.kth.se/?l=en_UK)
Mar 15 14:31:19 <PatrickC_Pixi> destinal-work: what carrier?
Mar 15 14:31:25 <PatrickC_Pixi> do you have?
Mar 15 14:33:24 <destinal-work> PatrickC_Pixi: sprint
Mar 15 14:33:34 <PatrickC_Pixi> 2.1?
Mar 15 14:38:30 <destinal-work> PatrickC_Pixi: no, but I set up my stepdad's that way
Mar 15 14:38:33 <destinal-work> also on sprint
Mar 15 14:38:45 <PatrickC_Pixi> see PM plz :)
Mar 15 14:38:52 <PatrickC_Pixi> it has the question I have
Mar 15 14:39:47 * halfhalo yawns goodmorning
Mar 15 14:41:08 <PatrickC_Pixi> morning halfhalo
Mar 15 14:41:45 <PatrickC_Pixi> halfhalo: I have a question
Mar 15 14:54:27 <halfhalo> interesting... node powered sftp server.  me likes the possibilities
Mar 15 14:58:33 <jackjohn> hello, attempting to upgrade my sprint palm pre
Mar 15 14:58:54 <PatrickC_Pixi> to 2.1 or to a Pre2?
Mar 15 14:59:30 <jackjohn> 2.1
Mar 15 14:59:46 <halfhalo> tis easy
Mar 15 15:00:03 <jackjohn> attempting to redo the usb in recovery mode
Mar 15 15:00:21 <jackjohn> bootloader recovery mode
Mar 15 15:00:38 <PatrickC_Pixi> I always go into recovery mode when doctoring
Mar 15 15:00:46 <PatrickC_Pixi> even when not necessary
Mar 15 15:00:51 <jackjohn> First put the device into recovery mode, then memboot the device using the installer uImage (extracted from your webOS Doctor jar):
Mar 15 15:00:57 <jackjohn> how to i do ^
Mar 15 15:01:26 <jackjohn> i powered up while pushing the up volume button
Mar 15 15:01:30 <jackjohn> thats where i am at right now
Mar 15 15:01:34 <halfhalo> wait.. why are you membooting anything if you are just trying to doctor
Mar 15 15:01:40 <PatrickC_Pixi> what image is on the screen?
Mar 15 15:01:50 <jackjohn> usb image
Mar 15 15:02:10 <PatrickC_Pixi> then you are in recovery mode
Mar 15 15:02:13 <jackjohn> cuz the doctor failed and wiki says to do this
Mar 15 15:02:13 <PatrickC_Pixi> now run doctor
Mar 15 15:02:38 <PatrickC_Pixi> did you try running the doctor again?
Mar 15 15:02:47 <halfhalo> do you know why the doctor failed
Mar 15 15:02:50 <jackjohn> meta-doctor/build/meta-sprint-pre-2.1.0/webosdoctorp101ueude-wr-2.1.0.jar
Mar 15 15:02:59 <jackjohn> run that again in recovery mode?
Mar 15 15:03:21 <PatrickC_Pixi> yes
Mar 15 15:05:58 <jackjohn> i shouldnt do novacom boot mem:// < nova-installer-image-castle.uImage
Mar 15 15:07:21 <PatrickC_School> I have no clue on that one
Mar 15 15:07:57 <jackjohn> ok i will try installing in recovery mode
Mar 15 15:08:33 <PatrickC_School> but don't plug your phone in till the doctor says to
Mar 15 15:09:41 <jackjohn> ok
Mar 15 15:10:37 <jackjohn> hanging out at 8% right now...
Mar 15 15:11:29 <PuffTheMagic> geist, ping
Mar 15 15:12:00 <destinal-work> jackjohn: the doctor failed with what message at what percentage?
Mar 15 15:12:19 <jackjohn> has not failed yet this time in recovery mode
Mar 15 15:12:22 <jackjohn> still at 8%
Mar 15 15:12:38 <PuffTheMagic> destinal-work, im gonna get novatool to talk to bootie, so i can display charge levels and shit
Mar 15 15:13:05 <jackjohn> Mar 15, 2011 10:06:36 AM com.palm.nova.installer.recoverytool.CardController log
Mar 15 15:13:05 <PatrickC_School> sweet puffthemagic
Mar 15 15:13:05 <jackjohn> Print
Mar 15 15:13:05 <jackjohn> INFO: WARING: carrierList on the webOS Dr is : row and carrierToken on the devic
Mar 15 15:13:05 <jackjohn> e is : sprint
Mar 15 15:13:27 <destinal-work> PuffTheMagic: cool
Mar 15 15:19:04 <jackjohn> so when i run in recovery mode, at 8% it reboots the pre
Mar 15 15:20:01 <halfhalo> the doctor is not built correctly
Mar 15 15:20:53 <PatrickC> message not found error "?
Mar 15 15:20:57 <halfhalo> how did yout make the meta doctored doctor
Mar 15 15:20:59 <PatrickC> s/"?/=?/
Mar 15 15:21:00 <infobot> PatrickC meant: message not found error =?
Mar 15 15:21:45 <jackjohn> http://pastebin.com/GnM15qfM
Mar 15 15:22:21 <jackjohn> i ran ./scripts/meta-sprint-pre-2.1.0
Mar 15 15:22:31 <PatrickC> anyone know?
Mar 15 15:24:45 <jackjohn> before hand i ran git clone git://git.webos-internals.org/tools/meta-doctor.git
Mar 15 15:24:50 <jackjohn> cd meta-doctor
Mar 15 15:24:56 <jackjohn> mkdir downloads
Mar 15 15:25:42 <PatrickC> what program are you using?
Mar 15 15:26:09 <jackjohn> cygwin
Mar 15 15:26:25 * halfhalo can look into it when he gets home in a few
Mar 15 15:26:42 <PatrickC> did you install all the required parts of it?
Mar 15 15:26:45 <jackjohn> on win7
Mar 15 15:26:54 <jackjohn> i believe so
Mar 15 15:27:05 <PatrickC> I'm on win7 too
Mar 15 15:27:34 <PatrickC> make sure you installed *all* the files
Mar 15 15:29:09 <jackjohn> thats were i was confused the most i guess
Mar 15 15:29:14 <jackjohn> i did view full list
Mar 15 15:29:23 <jackjohn> the search for each of the things in the list
Mar 15 15:29:24 <jackjohn> git
Mar 15 15:29:36 <PatrickC> make?
Mar 15 15:29:55 <jackjohn> yes all the ones listed
Mar 15 15:30:05 <jackjohn> when i do a search though many things are returned
Mar 15 15:30:55 <jackjohn> do i install bin and src?
Mar 15 15:37:35 <PatrickC> install what the Wiki says
Mar 15 15:38:29 <jackjohn> i did, but there is an option for bin and src
Mar 15 15:38:47 <PatrickC> not sure
Mar 15 15:39:05 <PatrickC> I just used full show (or whatever it is) and searched for the packages
Mar 15 15:39:41 <jackjohn> yes that is what i did
Mar 15 15:41:49 <PatrickC> then it *should* work
Mar 15 15:41:57 <jackjohn> so i will rebuilt the meta-doctor folder
Mar 15 15:42:13 <jackjohn> git clone git://git.webos-internals.org/tools/meta-doctor.git
Mar 15 15:42:21 <PatrickC> delete the current meta-doctor folder
Mar 15 15:42:28 <PatrickC> then re-build it
Mar 15 15:42:58 <jackjohn> yep did that
Mar 15 15:43:05 <PatrickC> ok
Mar 15 15:43:08 <PatrickC> have fun
Mar 15 15:43:10 <jackjohn> cd meta-doctor
Mar 15 15:43:29 <jackjohn> mkdir downloads
Mar 15 15:43:29 <PatrickC> and if it doesn't work again, VBox and Ubuntu will work :)
Mar 15 15:44:43 <jackjohn> then i run ./scripts/meta-sprint-pre-2.1.0
Mar 15 15:45:09 <jackjohn> ok will try vm if this doesnt work
Mar 15 15:45:38 <PatrickC> dev device or personal?
Mar 15 15:45:53 <jackjohn> personal :)
Mar 15 15:46:30 <jackjohn> is that bad?
Mar 15 15:46:38 <PatrickC> noooo not at all
Mar 15 15:46:51 <PatrickC> just making sure you are downloading the right script
Mar 15 15:47:17 <jackjohn> sprint orginal pre is what i have
Mar 15 15:47:37 <PatrickC> ok good
Mar 15 15:48:03 <PatrickC> if it was a dev device then you use the same script with --wifi-only
Mar 15 15:55:23 <PatrickC> how's it goinn
Mar 15 15:55:29 <PatrickC> s/goinn/goin?
Mar 15 15:58:54 <jackjohn> still downloading everything
Mar 15 15:59:15 <PatrickC> ok
Mar 15 16:15:54 <jackjohn> at 9% now! and got the chip with down arrow on screen now!
Mar 15 16:16:10 <PatrickC> that means the doctor is in
Mar 15 16:16:16 <PatrickC> and working his magic
Mar 15 16:17:28 <jackjohn> sweet!
Mar 15 16:18:00 <jackjohn> thanks for the help, rebuilding it seem to do it
Mar 15 16:18:00 <PatrickC> yep
Mar 15 16:18:08 <PatrickC> well good :)
Mar 15 16:18:14 <PatrickC> I'm always glad to help
Mar 15 16:21:50 <jackjohn> so when there are updates to 2.1 will i have to do something similiar or can i update ota?
Mar 15 16:22:29 <PatrickC> I think you *might* be able to OTA if the update goes OTA, but I doubt it
Mar 15 16:22:32 <destinal-work> jackjohn: possibly since palm has added 2.1 sprint support to the palm profile system
Mar 15 16:22:45 <PatrickC> probably meta-doctor is the best
Mar 15 16:23:20 <destinal-work> jackjohn: it's still unknown whether or not it will be possible since we haven't seen any newer versions after 2.1 yet and 2.1 was the first to be made to work in this way
Mar 15 16:27:41 <jackjohn> ok
Mar 15 16:30:09 <jackjohn> so to get apps and stuff from both app catalog and preware, phone will look for those compatible with 2.1?
Mar 15 16:30:24 <PatrickC> XTerm is niice :)
Mar 15 16:31:45 <jackjohn> what is xterm?
Mar 15 16:32:03 <PatrickC> a Terminal app for 2.x
Mar 15 16:36:41 * PatrickC 2.1 needs to be hacked onto the Pixi
Mar 15 16:38:23 <cryptk> PatrickC, xterm has been around LONG before 2.X
Mar 15 16:38:31 <cryptk> it has been in preware for forever
Mar 15 16:38:45 <PatrickC> well, it was recently updated I see...
Mar 15 16:38:48 <PatrickC> and it works
Mar 15 16:38:54 <PatrickC> I never noticed it before
Mar 15 16:39:03 <RagingMind> oh?  for a while it didn't work because of the jailing stuff
Mar 15 16:40:08 <destinal-work> PatrickC: yeah rwhitby mentioned it was just put into testing feed
Mar 15 16:40:21 <PatrickC> I saw that on twitter
Mar 15 16:40:35 <destinal-work> or perhaps that a new version was
Mar 15 16:41:11 <jackjohn> well im up and running 2.1!
Mar 15 16:41:18 <PatrickC> yay
Mar 15 16:41:20 <jackjohn> and to just restore everything
Mar 15 16:42:21 <PatrickC> cryptk: I gots me a question for you
Mar 15 16:42:54 <cryptk> I hope it isn't anything like the question you just /msg'd me
Mar 15 16:43:35 <cryptk> we do NOT tolerate that in this channel... the question you just /msg'd me would be in DIRECT violation of the NDA that anyone with access to what you are asking for would have agreed to
Mar 15 16:49:02 <jackjohn> is there a new webos quick install for 2.1?
Mar 15 16:49:16 <PatrickC> webos qi 4.03 I believe
Mar 15 16:49:20 <MetaView> there is a new for everyone
Mar 15 16:51:32 <jackjohn> do you have a link to the latest?
Mar 15 16:52:26 <jackjohn> found it 4.04 is latest
Mar 15 16:54:02 <PatrickC> ok
Mar 15 16:54:06 <PatrickC> cool
Mar 15 17:09:51 <djwhitey> /usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.email/app/views/message/message-scene.html Lines 40-47. (Grazing area... wow, lol)
Mar 15 17:13:10 <MetaView> djwhitey: lol
Mar 15 17:13:17 <djwhitey> that's quality
Mar 15 17:13:32 <MetaView> how to enable this cows beneathß
Mar 15 17:13:35 <djwhitey> i wonder what it looks like if you remove those "display: none"s
Mar 15 17:14:01 <MetaView> I guess it's an easter egg, let's examine the assistant
Mar 15 17:14:37 <MetaView> subject === "supercowpowers"
Mar 15 17:17:43 <PatrickC> wow
Mar 15 17:17:45 <PatrickC> lol
Mar 15 17:18:03 <MetaView> it only works if you get the email, orß
Mar 15 17:19:14 <MetaView> right :)
Mar 15 17:19:19 <MetaView> now they are falling
Mar 15 17:19:48 <djwhitey> that's awesome
Mar 15 17:19:56 <PatrickC> can it be made into a patch?
Mar 15 17:20:13 <djwhitey> that's actually what i was working on when i found that
Mar 15 17:20:24 <djwhitey> trying to get the Exchange-type formatting back on replies
Mar 15 17:20:41 <djwhitey> instead of that ugly "On <Date>, <Person> wrote:"
Mar 15 17:21:07 <MetaView> hwat the exchange-type formatting?
Mar 15 17:21:27 <djwhitey> http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/233199-patch-mimic-outlook-formatting-email-replies-forwards.html
Mar 15 17:23:42 <MetaView> oh, not bad
Mar 15 17:24:51 <MetaView> did anyone played with ftp app?
Mar 15 17:25:13 <PatrickC> what ftp app?????
Mar 15 17:25:22 <MetaView> hm, ok, makes nothing senseful
Mar 15 17:25:30 <MetaView> is in your rom, but hidden
Mar 15 17:25:44 <PatrickC> where, I want to see it/use it
Mar 15 17:25:47 <PatrickC> :)
Mar 15 17:26:16 <djwhitey> oh snap, cwgtex already found this easter egg. http://www.precentral.net/webos-2-0-easter-egg-uncovered-supercowpowers
Mar 15 17:26:49 <djwhitey> and there i was about to send them a "tip". glad i searched first
Mar 15 17:27:08 <MetaView> is it 2.0 only?
Mar 15 17:27:13 <djwhitey> nah it's 2.1
Mar 15 17:27:16 <MetaView> a pitty, just send my gf an email
Mar 15 17:27:16 <djwhitey> as well
Mar 15 17:27:23 <MetaView> but she has 1.4.5
Mar 15 17:27:34 <PatrickC> metaview: where is the ftp app stored?
Mar 15 17:27:36 <djwhitey> oh i dunno if it's in 1.4.5
Mar 15 17:27:39 <MetaView> now she will ask me what the heck I'm writing
Mar 15 17:27:43 <PatrickC> regular place apps are stored?
Mar 15 17:27:52 <MetaView> yes, regular palm apps
Mar 15 17:28:01 <PatrickC> awesome!
Mar 15 17:31:12 <PatrickC> I can't find it...
Mar 15 17:31:54 <PatrickC> nm
Mar 15 17:33:03 <PatrickC> once you change it to "visible": true
Mar 15 17:33:16 <PatrickC> does it show up, or is a luna needed?
Mar 15 17:34:48 <PatrickC_School> I'm still here
Mar 15 17:35:21 <PatrickC_School> metaview: were you able to get it working?
Mar 15 17:35:55 * NuttyBunny blames Oil
Mar 15 17:36:42 <PatrickC_School> I got it working!!!
Mar 15 17:37:03 <PatrickC_School> what does it do?
Mar 15 17:37:04 <PatrickC_School> lol
Mar 15 17:45:37 <lamawithonel> rwhitby-away:  xterm is working for me on sprint pre 1.4.5
Mar 15 17:48:40 <PuffTheMagic> more teaser -> http://ompldr.org/vN3RyMg/novatool.png
Mar 15 17:59:34 <jackjohn> so after the upgrade is there away to restore like the patches and stuff i had
Mar 15 17:59:40 <jackjohn> contact linkage
Mar 15 17:59:46 <halfhalo> No
Mar 15 18:00:13 <halfhalo> You have to redo them all
Mar 15 18:00:43 <jackjohn> i backed up my whole pre from usb
Mar 15 18:00:49 <jackjohn> backed up contacts
Mar 15 18:05:08 <jackjohn> my palm profile has 0 contacts
Mar 15 18:08:35 <PatrickC> did u use save/restore
Mar 15 18:08:49 <jackjohn> yes
Mar 15 18:09:13 <PatrickC> I believe you can restore preware and use the saved package list
Mar 15 18:09:37 <jackjohn> when you use the save/restore app where does it write the info too
Mar 15 18:09:47 <PatrickC> the us drive
Mar 15 18:10:23 <jackjohn> usb?
Mar 15 18:10:56 * haeffb still experiencing random luna restarts on Sprint FrankenPre2 with 2.1
Mar 15 18:11:00 <jackjohn> so when i saved them all and then copied everything from usb to my computer, do i need to pull the info over to restore it?
Mar 15 18:11:06 <jackjohn> or how does it know what to restore?
Mar 15 18:11:52 <PatrickC> just put the folder "saverestore" back on the us drive
Mar 15 18:12:00 <PatrickC> or it might be there still
Mar 15 18:19:59 <SimpsonCH> in 1.4.5 you could make the running apps extra small with a extra tap so you could reorder them, is this feature gone in 2.x ? or does it need another gesture ?
Mar 15 18:20:20 <PatrickC> it is gone afaik
Mar 15 18:20:32 <SimpsonCH> so no reordering anymore ?
Mar 15 18:20:36 <NuttyBunny> gone
Mar 15 18:20:50 <halfhalo> you can reorder, but the small view is gone
Mar 15 18:20:51 <SimpsonCH> why ?
Mar 15 18:20:54 <NuttyBunny> reordering is done by holding your finger on cards
Mar 15 18:20:59 <SimpsonCH> ah how do I reorder then ?
Mar 15 18:21:00 <NuttyBunny> and moving them around
Mar 15 18:21:08 <NuttyBunny> while in card view
Mar 15 18:21:09 <halfhalo> you can still move em
Mar 15 18:21:23 <NuttyBunny> that way has always worked :)
Mar 15 18:21:41 <SimpsonCH> ah tap hold
Mar 15 18:21:45 <SimpsonCH> okay thx
Mar 15 18:23:02 <jackjohn> so the save/restore folder was still on pre, the messaging one is in there but did not see way to restore that?
Mar 15 18:23:20 <PatrickC> messaging?
Mar 15 18:23:50 <jackjohn> saverestore\com.palm.app.messaging
Mar 15 18:24:27 <PatrickC> messaging isn't supported I believe
Mar 15 18:25:30 <idontwan2know> I really like this Richard Kerris guy.  No BS about the 2.x SDK situation
Mar 15 18:25:51 <jackjohn> can i not overclock with govnah with 2.1?
Mar 15 18:26:01 <PatrickC> yes you can,
Mar 15 18:26:02 <halfhalo> you can
Mar 15 18:26:20 <jackjohn> ok there we go got it
Mar 15 18:26:32 <jackjohn> restore my profiles and they were there again
Mar 15 18:26:39 <jackjohn> prior i could only get 600 max
Mar 15 18:48:42 <PuffTheMagic> MetaView, yo!
Mar 15 18:51:26 <jackjohn> is there any plans to have the advanced configuration apps availavle with 2.1?
Mar 15 18:51:52 <PuffTheMagic> patches u mean?
Mar 15 18:51:57 <jackjohn> yeah
Mar 15 18:52:05 <PuffTheMagic> i believe they are being beta tested right now
Mar 15 18:54:01 <jackjohn> ok cool
Mar 15 19:36:12 <NuttyBunny> hey... anyone else knows the internals of the xserver/xterm combo apart from Rod? :)
Mar 15 19:37:21 <dtzWill> NuttyBunny: I built it, so yep :)
Mar 15 19:37:31 <joeb_> so i think i found a way out .. my sister is gonna give me an iphone 3gs probably tomorow to have .. i can post it on craigslist for like $400 then get a palm pre pls
Mar 15 19:37:38 <joeb_> s/pls/plus
Mar 15 19:37:51 <dtzWill> unfortunately I'm about to step out, but I can answer your question now if it's short, or later if it's still answered
Mar 15 19:38:45 <NuttyBunny> dtzWill: Excellent, did you notice that the Sym key isn't bound to anything?
Mar 15 19:39:57 <dtzWill> oh the keyboard layout details I did as well, but it's been a while. IIRC all keys at some point did something.
Mar 15 19:40:27 <NuttyBunny> I'm looking for a way to run xev on it, but I can't connect from my lap :(
Mar 15 19:40:51 <NuttyBunny> no, nevermind, Sym does work
Mar 15 19:41:20 <NuttyBunny> no, I'm backwards... hehehe... I think CTRL isn't bound
Mar 15 19:41:24 <dtzWill> NuttyBunny: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:X#Keyboard_Support has a semi-updated reference
Mar 15 19:41:34 <dtzWill> NuttyBunny: probably. in general the keyboard layout needs work.
Mar 15 19:41:47 <dtzWill> even more important perhaps than arbitrary missing modifiers are things like
Mar 15 19:41:59 <dtzWill> a)specifiying the keyboard layout so it's not a hacky async thing
Mar 15 19:42:11 <dtzWill> b)support different keyboard layouts
Mar 15 19:42:22 <dtzWill> iirc it's decently fail in international contexts :(
Mar 15 19:42:26 <dtzWill> but as POC it worked well enough
Mar 15 19:42:46 <dtzWill> okay well ty for the poke, I think given rod's work on it lately it'll probably see a surge of dev activity again
Mar 15 19:42:48 <dtzWill> ..hopefully..
Mar 15 19:42:48 <NuttyBunny> I'll take a look... I just want to type ESC and Ctrl-C :D
Mar 15 19:42:54 <dtzWill> oh
Mar 15 19:43:04 <dtzWill> gesture area is control
Mar 15 19:43:10 <dtzWill> esc is shift+space
Mar 15 19:43:15 <dtzWill> see the link i sent you, man :)
Mar 15 19:43:26 <dtzWill> if that doesn't work then i'll have to investigate later.
Mar 15 19:43:27 <dtzWill> enjoy
Mar 15 19:43:29 * dtzWill wanders off
Mar 15 19:43:30 <dtzWill> o/
Mar 15 19:43:48 <NuttyBunny> shit... you're right... but ctrl-C apparently didn't work... until I did ctrl-D
Mar 15 19:43:56 <NuttyBunny> thanks, I'll look into it a bit more :)
Mar 15 19:46:28 <dtzWill> NuttyBunny: oh that's because webos eats the copy/paste/etc keys
Mar 15 19:46:39 <joeb_> does pre-centeral sell phones
Mar 15 19:46:43 * joeb_ is checking
Mar 15 19:46:50 <dtzWill> before they get to the SDL input layer
Mar 15 19:46:58 <dtzWill> so ctrl+c, ctrl+v and ctrl+..something else
Mar 15 19:47:00 <dtzWill> p probably
Mar 15 19:47:03 <dtzWill> (Gesture+those keys)
Mar 15 19:47:13 <dtzWill> are eaten too high up the input stack for the current X to make use of them.
Mar 15 19:47:34 <dtzWill> limitation of current design, I/we welcome suggestions that are well reasoned for alternative configurations
Mar 15 19:47:38 <dtzWill> and by welcome i mean pretty please O:)
Mar 15 19:47:39 <dtzWill> anyway
Mar 15 19:47:42 <dtzWill> gotta run, cya guys :)
Mar 15 19:48:19 <NuttyBunny> yep, you're right... argh, I should've read the wiki first  *Bad NuttyBunny*
Mar 15 19:48:24 <NuttyBunny> bye bye dtzWill, thanks! :D
Mar 15 20:03:27 <NuttyBunny> Who can help me with wIRC? :'(
Mar 15 20:03:36 <Frost> is there a problem with it?
Mar 15 20:03:52 <NuttyBunny> stuck on Waiting for the plugin
Mar 15 20:04:09 <NuttyBunny> even after reinstall (even erasing the /media/internal/wirc folder)
Mar 15 20:12:24 <jackjohn> has anyone seen after installing 2.1, they cant get to any of the setting when an app is open, ie launcher, preware, top left drop down
Mar 15 20:15:20 <RagingMind> NuttyBunny, did you restart your pre?
Mar 15 20:20:27 <joeb_> read teh wiki NuttyBunny
Mar 15 20:21:36 <jackjohn> after i removed a few of the patches i was able to get back to the settings stuff from the top left
Mar 15 20:22:50 <PatrickC> metaview: you here?
Mar 15 20:36:39 <jackjohn> is there a way to hide the launcher page names
Mar 15 20:36:58 <PatrickC> I don't believe so
Mar 15 20:55:45 <NuttyBunny> RagingMind: About wIRC: Yes, restarted it several times.  :)
Mar 15 21:06:58 <PatrickC> I got my pre2!!!!!!!!!
Mar 15 21:08:42 <NuttyBunny> grrr
Mar 15 21:08:44 <NuttyBunny> hehehe
Mar 15 21:08:50 <NuttyBunny> Congratulations! :D
Mar 15 21:09:00 <PatrickC> thx :)
Mar 15 21:09:10 <SimpsonCH> PatrickC, did you got a email notification about it ?
Mar 15 21:09:18 <PatrickC> nope
Mar 15 21:09:29 <PatrickC> just one requesting my address and phone number
Mar 15 21:09:37 <PatrickC> and I didnt even get a phone call
Mar 15 21:10:08 <SimpsonCH> and it fell in the mail box ?
Mar 15 21:10:24 <PatrickC> UPS just brought it to my door :D
Mar 15 21:11:25 <SimpsonCH> interesting
Mar 15 21:11:29 <SimpsonCH> waiting game ;)
Mar 15 21:11:51 <PatrickC> yep
Mar 15 21:12:11 <PatrickC> I gave them my address on saturday, and in my lap is a Pre2 :)
Mar 15 21:14:30 <PatrickC> can I build multiple meta-doctors in the same file?
Mar 15 21:15:15 <PatrickC> is there a script for the pre2 meta-doctor?
Mar 15 21:16:32 <RagingMind> there's no one specific pre2 meta-doctor
Mar 15 21:16:47 <NuttyBunny> You could try upgrading OTA
Mar 15 21:16:50 <RagingMind> it's just using meta-doctor as a tool to build a doctor with the options you want
Mar 15 21:18:23 <PatrickC> I need to bypass the insert sim screen
Mar 15 21:18:54 <SineOt> Use the Palm activation bypass tool on the dev portal
Mar 15 21:18:54 <RagingMind> there's a bypass activation option
Mar 15 21:18:59 <RagingMind> or that
Mar 15 21:19:31 <RagingMind> though I thought that page said it wasn't necessary for pre2
Mar 15 21:19:40 <RagingMind> *shrugs*  work time. ta ta
Mar 15 21:19:49 <SineOt> technically it's not but you need a SIM for all the Pre2 methods
Mar 15 21:20:19 <PatrickC> you need a sim for all of them?!
Mar 15 21:20:34 <SineOt> just use the bypass tool
Mar 15 21:22:02 <PatrickC> I'll try it
Mar 15 21:35:09 <Lichtlos> PatrickC: what did you write in your application for getting the device?
Mar 15 21:37:39 <millertech> I am looking to buy a used pre 2 that is locked to rogers (for Sprintification). Would I have trouble buying apps since it was activated in Canada?
Mar 15 21:40:36 <NuttyBunny> You'll get the Canada catalog
Mar 15 21:41:32 <millertech> bummer, so it doesnt go off of the radios?
Mar 15 21:53:40 <PatrickC> anyone here built a pre2 meta-doctor yet?
Mar 15 21:59:45 <PatrickC> sineot: the bypass activation didn't work
Mar 15 22:00:26 <halfhalo> you need to bypass activation and first use with the meta-doc at least
Mar 15 22:00:55 <PatrickC> I need to find out how to make a meta-doc without a script :p
Mar 15 22:01:19 <halfhalo> read the script and the wiki
Mar 15 22:01:47 <PatrickC> I didn't see a script... I'll check again
Mar 15 22:01:58 <halfhalo> its a makefile
Mar 15 22:02:31 <PatrickC> does it do the same thing that the other scripts (for legacy devices) do?
Mar 15 22:02:51 <halfhalo> no, its what the other scripts use to make everything
Mar 15 22:03:10 <PatrickC> ah ok
Mar 15 22:03:18 <PatrickC> I'll look it up on the wiki
Mar 15 22:05:13 <NuttyBunny-Lap> ~seen PufftheMagic
Mar 15 22:05:22 <infobot> puffthemagic is currently on #webos-internals #kde. Has said a total of 261 messages. Is idling for 3h 13m 15s, last said: 'i believe they are being beta tested right now'.
Mar 15 22:05:47 <NuttyBunny-Lap> Hey Clone!
Mar 15 22:05:56 <NuttyBunny> Hi :)
Mar 15 22:06:21 <NuttyBunny-Lap> oil: It worked on the Baby Pre, but on the Plus it doesn't work :'(
Mar 15 22:06:37 <PatrickC> what didn't work?
Mar 15 22:10:05 <PatrickC> the meta-doctor already puts it in dev mode? right?
Mar 15 22:10:20 <NuttyBunny-Lap> wIRC, it just keeps "Waiting for the Plugin"
Mar 15 22:10:50 <NuttyBunny-Lap> the scripts, I think so... the meta-doctor, alone, with no further configuration, no
Mar 15 22:11:37 <NuttyBunny> grrr
Mar 15 22:12:46 <PatrickC> I don't see anything on the meta-doctor Wiki about bypassing the firstuse app
Mar 15 22:13:04 <halfhalo> ...
Mar 15 22:13:15 <PatrickC> I read the entire page
Mar 15 22:13:26 <halfhalo> In the meta doctor make file there is an option called "BYPASS_FIRST_USE"
Mar 15 22:13:32 <halfhalo> its kinda hard to miss if you read it
Mar 15 22:13:45 <PatrickC> I didn't actually do the meta-doc yet
Mar 15 22:13:51 <PatrickC> I only read it
Mar 15 22:14:06 <halfhalo> then you should have seen that option
Mar 15 22:14:46 <PatrickC> I'm re-reading to see where it is
Mar 15 22:19:56 <NuttyBunny> If you read the meta-doctor page, you'll see that "the options are in the Makefile file"
Mar 15 22:22:16 <PatrickC> I see it now
Mar 15 22:22:32 <PatrickC> I read over it not looking for that kind of wording
Mar 15 22:23:05 <PatrickC> and the "make" file I would run is
Mar 15 22:23:19 <SineOt> hrhghhghhhghhghgh
Mar 15 22:23:19 <PatrickC> make DEVICE=pre2 all-wr
Mar 15 22:23:23 <PatrickC> correct?
Mar 15 22:23:38 <SineOt> PatrickC: If you're reading over it and only looking for key terms, you're just skimming
Mar 15 22:23:40 <SineOt> not reading
Mar 15 22:24:17 <PatrickC> I found it by going thru and re-*reading*(not skimming this time) and found it
Mar 15 22:24:33 <PatrickC> but there is no command for a make pre2 unlocked..
Mar 15 22:24:35 <PatrickC> so is it
Mar 15 22:24:40 <PatrickC> make DEVICE=pre2 all-wr
Mar 15 22:26:13 <PatrickC> I'll look at the make file once I'm done with school
Mar 15 22:30:25 <PatrickC> bbl
Mar 15 22:59:46 <PatrickC> when i use the "make" command "make DEVICE=pre2 all-wr" it doesnt do anything
Mar 15 22:59:51 <PatrickC> and gives me an error
Mar 15 23:00:13 <cryptk> typically when asking how to resolve an error... one would provide the error message
Mar 15 23:00:23 <PatrickC> ok getting message now
Mar 15 23:00:24 <PatrickC> sorry :p
Mar 15 23:00:31 <PatrickC> s/:p/:o/
Mar 15 23:00:32 <infobot> PatrickC meant: sorry :o
Mar 15 23:00:56 <PatrickC> $ make DEVICE=pre2 all-wr
Mar 15 23:00:58 <PatrickC>  make: *** No rule to make target `all-wr'.  Stop.
Mar 15 23:01:13 <cryptk> well, it seems that all-wr isn't a valid make target
Mar 15 23:01:31 <cryptk> try make DEVICE=pre2 CARRIER=wr all
Mar 15 23:01:37 <PatrickC> ok will do
Mar 15 23:02:14 <PatrickC> $ make DEVICE=pre2 CARRIER=wr all
Mar 15 23:02:15 <PatrickC>  make: *** No rule to make target `all'.  Stop.
Mar 15 23:02:18 <PatrickC> errored again
Mar 15 23:02:51 <cryptk> try make DEVICE=pre2 CARRIER=wr unpack patch pack
Mar 15 23:03:22 <PatrickC> ok
Mar 15 23:03:29 <cryptk> wait
Mar 15 23:03:32 <cryptk> you are doing something wrong
Mar 15 23:03:35 <cryptk> make DEVICE=pre2 CARRIER=wr all is valid
Mar 15 23:03:36 <PatrickC> how so?
Mar 15 23:03:38 <cryptk> I just ran it
Mar 15 23:03:42 <PatrickC> hmm
Mar 15 23:03:53 <SineOt> are you running it from the right directory?
Mar 15 23:04:02 <cryptk> yeah, what folder are you in
Mar 15 23:04:09 <PatrickC> the downloads folder
Mar 15 23:04:16 <PatrickC> lemme try it in the meta-doctor folder
Mar 15 23:04:18 <cryptk> that would be why
Mar 15 23:04:22 <cryptk> the answer to this is on the wiki
Mar 15 23:04:34 <cryptk> in fact meta-doctor is rather well documented on the wiki
Mar 15 23:05:18 <cryptk> PatrickC, please do make sure to check the wiki for these kinds of things... there are full instructions there
Mar 15 23:05:27 <PatrickC> it doesnt tell you to back out of the downloads folder
Mar 15 23:05:34 <PatrickC> i just re-read it, and didnt see it
Mar 15 23:05:35 <PatrickC> but ok
Mar 15 23:05:38 <cryptk> when does it tell you to go into the downloads folder
Mar 15 23:05:56 <PatrickC> the second thing of step 2
Mar 15 23:06:02 <PatrickC> wait
Mar 15 23:06:04 <PatrickC> first one
Mar 15 23:06:12 <PatrickC> "cd downloads"
Mar 15 23:07:04 <cryptk> you can fix that ya-know
Mar 15 23:07:10 <PatrickC> i can?
Mar 15 23:07:12 <SineOt> wait, on this page?
Mar 15 23:07:14 <SineOt> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor
Mar 15 23:07:26 <SineOt> where it says "mkdir downloads" not... "cd downloads"
Mar 15 23:07:32 <PatrickC> yes sineot
Mar 15 23:07:43 <PatrickC> look at Step 2: Running the webOS Doctor
Mar 15 23:07:45 <SineOt> nowhere on step 1 does it say to cd into downloads
Mar 15 23:07:56 <cryptk> SineOt, in step 2
Mar 15 23:08:06 <PatrickC> and the first command it gives you is "cd downloads"
Mar 15 23:08:11 <cryptk> PatrickC, it is a wiki, you can sign up and edit it
Mar 15 23:08:12 <Loudergood> are you editing the makefile?
Mar 15 23:08:21 <cryptk> guys, it is all under control
Mar 15 23:08:22 <PatrickC> yes i did loudergood :)
Mar 15 23:08:42 <cryptk> but yes, PatrickC you can make an account on the wiki and edit pages, that the the point behind a wiki
Mar 15 23:08:52 <PatrickC> awesome!
Mar 15 23:08:56 <PatrickC> ill do that now
Mar 15 23:09:01 <cryptk> if you find something cool, you can make a new page explaining it, if you find an error, you can edit the page to clarify it
Mar 15 23:09:16 <PatrickC> ok, thanks for telling me :)
Mar 15 23:11:04 <cryptk> just remember, if you have questions about something, editing a wiki page with a question is not the way to get answers, lol
Mar 15 23:12:37 <cryptk> PatrickC, I would add the note into Step 2, part 5 as a note
Mar 15 23:12:48 <cryptk> saying all of the commands must be run from the main meta-doc directory
Mar 15 23:14:39 <PatrickC> i was just going to add something along the lines of
Mar 15 23:14:40 <PatrickC> Before doing the next step, make sure you change back into the meta-doctor directory first. ALL THE FOLLOWING COMMANDS MUST BE RUN FROM THE meta-doctor DIRECTORY
Mar 15 23:14:52 <cryptk> looks good, skip the all caps
Mar 15 23:15:12 <PatrickC> like, make them lowercase, or remove them?
Mar 15 23:15:26 <cryptk> as in say exactly that, but don't use all caps
Mar 15 23:15:33 <PatrickC> ok
Mar 15 23:15:45 <cryptk> all caps is annoying... it is the equivalent of yelling at someone over the internet
Mar 15 23:15:51 <cryptk> MOST PEOPLE HATE TO READ THINGS IN ALL CAPS
Mar 15 23:16:03 <cryptk> IF I TELL YOU THAT YOU MADE A MISTAKE IN ALL CAPS IT SEEMS MUCH MORE HARSH
Mar 15 23:16:16 <Loudergood> cryptk: most people hate to read things period. Unfortunately.
Mar 15 23:16:22 <cryptk> whereas if I say you jacked up in normal case... then you aren't as offended
Mar 15 23:16:32 <halfhalo> If you put stuff in all caps on the wiki, i will find you and stab you with a capital knife
Mar 15 23:16:51 <Loudergood> that too
Mar 15 23:16:58 <PatrickC> lol
Mar 15 23:17:00 <PatrickC> should be done
Mar 15 23:17:12 <cryptk> I prefer majuscule knives
Mar 15 23:17:16 <Loudergood> I've seen his knife...it's all crocodile dundee...I heard he got it from someone down under
Mar 15 23:18:03 * halfhalo has a vast array of knives and knife related objects
Mar 15 23:18:21 <cryptk> PatrickC, I see no change to the page
Mar 15 23:18:31 <PatrickC> you dont
Mar 15 23:18:39 <halfhalo> 20 says it's varnish
Mar 15 23:18:40 <PatrickC> lemme check and make sure i hit the right button
Mar 15 23:18:49 <cryptk> nvm
Mar 15 23:18:50 <cryptk> there it is
Mar 15 23:18:53 <cryptk> varnish cache
Mar 15 23:18:54 <cryptk> lol
Mar 15 23:19:09 <PatrickC> lol
Mar 15 23:19:34 <Loudergood> patience people...
Mar 15 23:19:55 * halfhalo doesn't do patience
Mar 15 23:20:03 <PatrickC> and the doctor is running :)
Mar 15 23:20:27 <PatrickC> does this put Tux on the main boot logo?
Mar 15 23:20:36 <cryptk> yes, that is built into MetaDoc
Mar 15 23:20:39 <cryptk> it is configurable
Mar 15 23:21:00 <halfhalo> Ya
Mar 15 23:21:01 <PatrickC> i like having tux wave to me whenever it starts up :)
Mar 15 23:21:09 <halfhalo> That was a hit a t scale
Mar 15 23:21:15 <PatrickC> that would be a cool theme for a luna-boot
Mar 15 23:21:19 <PatrickC> tux waving :)
Mar 15 23:21:50 <Loudergood> tux is armed
Mar 15 23:22:00 <cryptk> with a screwdriver and a phone
Mar 15 23:22:12 <cryptk> careful he will text you while he stabs you in the neck prison style
Mar 15 23:26:07 <PatrickC> idk what just happened...
Mar 15 23:26:09 <PatrickC> but
Mar 15 23:26:17 <PatrickC> the doctor is running pretty fast :D
Mar 15 23:27:33 <PatrickC> hello rwhitby
Mar 15 23:30:18 <PatrickC> doctor finished!
Mar 15 23:30:20 <PatrickC> booting now
Mar 15 23:30:24 <Tibfib> rwhitby/oil: is there a known bug with private feed apps with the same app id as one in a known feed (like the catalog)?
Mar 15 23:31:02 <Tibfib> in preware, sorry
Mar 15 23:31:55 <cryptk> Tibfib, AFAIK, it should play nice and preware will show whichever one has a higher version number
Mar 15 23:32:51 <Tibfib> cryptk: it shows the private feed title and version, but has catalog price and launches "software manager" when I try to update
Mar 15 23:33:04 <cryptk> odd
Mar 15 23:33:08 <Tibfib> yeah
Mar 15 23:33:18 <cryptk> I'm not too sure on that one... perhaps oil would have more insight
Mar 15 23:34:52 <Tibfib> it's pulling in the catalog screenshots and icon
Mar 15 23:34:58 <Tibfib> but private feed descriptioin
Mar 15 23:35:38 <Tibfib> very strange
Mar 15 23:35:45 <PatrickC_> sorry about that
Mar 15 23:36:02 <Tibfib> I've ran this private feed version for a while with the same app id and this the first time I've run into it
Mar 15 23:36:05 <Tibfib> recent code change?
Mar 15 23:36:07 <PatrickC_> if it is that problem (didnt see any response, internet kicked me off) then i had that same problem
Mar 15 23:37:01 <PatrickC_> is the app in the official catalog and preware? having the same app id?
Mar 15 23:37:34 <Loudergood> I'm going to guess kotoplayer, since he just updated it
Mar 15 23:37:36 <Tibfib> yes
Mar 15 23:37:46 <Tibfib> yes to both ^
Mar 15 23:37:55 <Draecos> Tibfib, can I pick your brains for a sec?
Mar 15 23:38:04 <Tibfib> Loudergood: the update is to the preware feed
Mar 15 23:38:09 <Tibfib> Draecos: I guess :)
Mar 15 23:38:17 <Draecos> cool
Mar 15 23:38:27 <Tibfib> not sure why you'd want to.. that's dangerous territory
Mar 15 23:38:30 <Draecos> i might be being a dumbass I was tired this afternoon
Mar 15 23:38:31 <PatrickC_> r u loading both the official feed and preware feed?
Mar 15 23:38:35 <Tibfib> yes
Mar 15 23:38:40 <Draecos> loaded your latest update to koto
Mar 15 23:38:45 <Draecos> its bost now :)
Mar 15 23:38:51 <PatrickC_> turn off the official feed and it should fix the problem
Mar 15 23:39:01 <Draecos> i 'did' give it time to ask for permissions but it never did
Mar 15 23:39:04 <Tibfib> Draecos: pm me so I can help you, not really -internals ready
Mar 15 23:39:11 <Draecos> yer nb
Mar 15 23:39:23 <Tibfib> err.. not sure what word I meant, but ready was not it
Mar 15 23:39:50 <PatrickC_> man
Mar 15 23:39:52 <Tibfib> PatrickC_: Yeah, I know that'll fix it.. but this seems to be a bug and should get reported and fixed :)
Mar 15 23:40:01 <PatrickC_> ok
Mar 15 23:40:13 <PatrickC_> the pre2 is fast!
Mar 15 23:40:37 <cryptk> indeed it is
Mar 15 23:40:45 <cryptk> I am using my franken pre2 as my main device now
Mar 15 23:41:34 <PatrickC_> how fast is uberkernel on the pre2?
Mar 15 23:41:38 <PatrickC_> i dont see it on there..
Mar 15 23:42:27 <kamthor> evening guys (or whatever it is in your timezone
Mar 15 23:42:35 <PatrickC_> evening
Mar 15 23:42:40 <ajay_> heh.. evening to all from me as well :)
Mar 15 23:42:48 <kamthor> :)
Mar 15 23:42:51 <ajay_> rwhitby: you bouncing about?
Mar 15 23:43:25 <kamthor> just seen the hack to re'enable terminal in 2.1
Mar 15 23:44:30 <Loudergood> or you can install the update xterm packages
Mar 15 23:44:55 <PatrickC_> is the 1.4GHz even recomended at all?
Mar 15 23:46:26 <ajay_> speaking of terminal.. there doesn't seem to be a functional 'terminal' package in webOS 2?
Mar 15 23:46:47 <PatrickC_> xterm updated today, it worked... isnt that the same as terminal?
Mar 15 23:46:58 <Loudergood> yeah, that's the one
Mar 15 23:47:08 <Loudergood> also there's apparently a workaround for terminus
Mar 15 23:47:17 * halfhalo missed x
Mar 15 23:47:25 <PatrickC_> i like the look of xterm better then terminus
Mar 15 23:47:39 <NuttyBunny> xterm rocks
Mar 15 23:47:41 * PatrickC_ isnt ever going to take the screen protector off his pre2
Mar 15 23:47:50 <kamthor> installing xterm
Mar 15 23:47:52 <ajay_> oo i like both..
Mar 15 23:48:18 <PatrickC_> is UK on the pre2 1GHz?
Mar 15 23:48:19 <NuttyBunny> PatrickC: You will, you'll see, the original protector gets scratched fairly quickly ;/
Mar 15 23:48:28 <kamthor> hehe, dumb me thought the hack was for terminal (which I love) turns out its for terminUS
Mar 15 23:48:40 <ajay_> where'd you see the terminus workaround?
Mar 15 23:48:53 <Loudergood> yeah I like terminal, xterm works really well now too
Mar 15 23:48:54 <PatrickC_> metaview found it i believe
Mar 15 23:49:04 <kamthor> precentral frontpage
Mar 15 23:49:06 <PatrickC_> wait, the pre2 has gorillaglass, right?
Mar 15 23:49:24 <kamthor> in the comments rwhitby says he shown it to metaview
Mar 15 23:49:50 <ajay_> dtzWill: are you the xterm updater?
Mar 15 23:49:58 <PatrickC_> signed into my *old* 1.4.5 profile on my pre2 :)
Mar 15 23:50:01 <PatrickC_> now its rebooting
Mar 15 23:50:10 <rwhitby> kamthor: back on 19 Dec in fact: http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/hello.git;a=blob;f=pmPostInstall.script;h=6ad8fec04b6a8183f8f0e96ac4417d7eb5f9390a;hb=HEAD
Mar 15 23:50:11 <Loudergood> ajay_: he was talking about it early
Mar 15 23:50:26 * PatrickC_ wishes he could take his Pixi coms board and put it in the pre2 :'(
Mar 15 23:50:31 <ajay_> i've never even used xterm on my pre yet :)
Mar 15 23:50:37 <ajay_> i wonder if it comes with an X server or what..
Mar 15 23:50:47 <PatrickC_> well, i g2g
Mar 15 23:50:54 <PatrickC_> ill probably sign on with the pre2 soon :)
Mar 15 23:52:38 <rwhitby> ajay_: install it and see
Mar 15 23:53:20 <Tibfib> rwhitby: have you heard of my bug?
Mar 15 23:53:41 <kamthor> rwhitby: wow, it's a lot faster than terminal
Mar 15 23:53:41 <rwhitby> Tibfib: what's his name?
Mar 15 23:53:51 <Tibfib> ?
Mar 15 23:54:19 <Tibfib> rwhitby: what are you referring to?
Mar 15 23:54:42 <rwhitby> Tibfib: your pet bug, what's his name?
Mar 15 23:55:00 <Tibfib> oh that rwhitby, always a jokester!
Mar 15 23:55:04 <Tibfib> ;P
Mar 15 23:55:17 <Tibfib> rwhitby: did you ever add the private feed for koto?
Mar 15 23:56:15 <rwhitby> yep
Mar 15 23:56:42 <Tibfib> can you update thee feed and see if the private beta of koto shows up properly?
Mar 15 23:56:50 <rwhitby> but of course you went against palm recommendations and used the same appid for homebrew and app catalog, so it doesn't work to well after you've released it
Mar 15 23:57:01 <Tibfib> on mine, it merges some info with the catalog
Mar 15 23:57:36 <Tibfib> rwhitby: considering < 15 people have that, I thought it would be more helpful to have a single app and multiple updating sources than two versions
Mar 15 23:57:49 <Tibfib> that's beside the point..
Mar 15 23:58:36 <rwhitby> Tibfib: that's the reason for any problems with not showing up from private feed
Mar 15 23:58:59 <Tibfib> rwhitby: it shows up, but merges info with the catalog version
Mar 15 23:59:07 <Tibfib> hasn't been an issue until today
Mar 15 23:59:41 <oil> why doesnt the newest version work no matter the source?
Mar 15 23:59:51 <Tibfib> oil: what do you mean?
Mar 16 00:00:03 <oil> <rwhitby> Tibfib: that's the reason for any problems with not showing up from private feed
Mar 16 00:00:09 <kamthor> so what's this jail thing? app permission restriction system? maybe that's why I can't get docViewer to open any docs on 2.1
Mar 16 00:00:40 <Tibfib> oil: good point
Mar 16 00:00:52 <oil> there is bug?>
Mar 16 00:00:54 <Tibfib> s/point/question/
Mar 16 00:00:55 <infobot> Tibfib meant: oil: good question
Mar 16 00:01:12 <oil> http://redmine.webos-internals.org/projects
Mar 16 00:01:18 <oil> rwhitby: why doesn't preware have a description?
Mar 16 00:01:27 <rwhitby> oil: cause I'm lazy?
Mar 16 00:01:31 <oil> oh
Mar 16 00:01:32 <oil> ok
Mar 16 00:01:40 <halfhalo> I like that reason
Mar 16 00:01:42 * oil has used that excuse before :)
Mar 16 00:01:46 * ka6sox-home elects oil to fix it.
Mar 16 00:01:57 <oil> thats server stuff, right?
Mar 16 00:01:58 * ka6sox-home gives oil Mangler privs :D
Mar 16 00:02:00 * oil looks at ka6sox-home 
Mar 16 00:02:03 <ka6sox-home> no no no
Mar 16 00:02:11 * oil looks at... Jack87|Away ?
Mar 16 00:02:14 <ka6sox-home> descriptions are PROJECT stuff.
Mar 16 00:02:18 <oil> aw
Mar 16 00:02:25 * ka6sox-home hands oil a Mirror.
Mar 16 00:02:25 * oil looks back at rwhitby 
Mar 16 00:02:38 <oil> though the mirror
Mar 16 00:03:24 <Tibfib> http://redmine.webos-internals.org/issues/192
Mar 16 00:03:26 <Tibfib> ta da
Mar 16 00:03:51 <Tibfib> I guess I'll swap app id's for now.. Like I've said, hasn't been an issue until today.
Mar 16 00:03:59 <ajay_> rwhitby: I just redoctored and remembered about my updated optware script?
Mar 16 00:04:26 <oil> oh yeah, that
Mar 16 00:04:44 <ajay_> ah crap I forgot the metadoctor makefile INCREASE_VAR_SIZE only works on 1.4.5, doh tiny /var sucks
Mar 16 00:04:54 <oil> saved package list mucking it up
Mar 16 00:05:38 * oil wonders why preware 2 can't be like v1 in how it loads feeds
Mar 16 00:05:46 <oil> persistant storage is a constant problem :)
Mar 16 00:06:02 <Tibfib> haha :)
Mar 16 00:06:06 <oil> Tibfib: are you seeing that problem right now?
Mar 16 00:06:09 <Tibfib> yes
Mar 16 00:06:21 <oil> you gonna be around to pull and test a fix?
Mar 16 00:06:34 <Tibfib> yeah
Mar 16 00:06:38 <oil> ok
Mar 16 00:06:54 <Tibfib> thanks!
Mar 16 00:07:15 <rwhitby> oil: it's just my pitiful implementation of saved packages list which is the problem
Mar 16 00:08:34 <oil> do the packages use packageModel.prototype.infoUpdate to enter the feed?
Mar 16 00:08:50 <oil> probably dont remember
Mar 16 00:09:28 <oil> yeah it does
Mar 16 00:09:52 <oil> the problem must be in the merging
Mar 16 00:12:25 <ajay_> oo xterm does copy+paste, nice nice..
Mar 16 00:12:30 <ajay_> err, copy at least
Mar 16 00:15:03 <ajay_> no rotation, but beggers can't be choosers i suppose, i'm happy that i'll be able to shutdown my phone again.. oh maybe i can just write a shutdown app, come to think :)
Mar 16 00:15:21 <ajay_> baurba? is that line, brb?
Mar 16 00:15:25 <ajay_> s/line/like
Mar 16 00:17:42 * PatrickC like his Pre2 wayyyyyy better his Pre+
Mar 16 00:18:04 <oil> Tibfib: so what exactly happens
Mar 16 00:18:28 <Tibfib> when I click on the private feed package
Mar 16 00:18:29 <oil> the feed has a newer version number and the app is installed but it launches the catalog to update it?
Mar 16 00:18:35 <Tibfib> yes
Mar 16 00:18:43 <Tibfib> and merges blank info from the catalog version
Mar 16 00:18:50 <Tibfib> like screenshots, price, etc
Mar 16 00:19:15 <Loudergood> is the version number the same?
Mar 16 00:20:07 <Tibfib> no
Mar 16 00:20:22 <Tibfib> it shows the private feed version number
Mar 16 00:21:02 <Loudergood> probably related to how the package lists are stored then :/
Mar 16 00:22:48 <PatrickC> is the F14 stable at all?
Mar 16 00:23:09 <oil> actually, i dont think its the saved package list this time
Mar 16 00:23:13 <oil> its the app catalog feed loadinig
Mar 16 00:24:33 <oil> and the feed loading order is probably catalog then other feed
Mar 16 00:24:46 <haeffb> PatrickC: that's because the Pre2 is wayyyyyy better than the Pre-/+
Mar 16 00:25:14 <PatrickC> I know :)
Mar 16 00:25:21 <PatrickC> what OC kernel should I use?
Mar 16 00:25:22 <rwhitby> oil: it's case Tibfib has the same appid in two feeds.  that is not allowed.
Mar 16 00:25:28 <oil> lol
Mar 16 00:25:28 <PatrickC> what does UK give?
Mar 16 00:25:30 <oil> yeah, that too
Mar 16 00:25:32 <haeffb> why use one?
Mar 16 00:25:33 <rwhitby> in particular, a homebrew feed and an app catalog feed.
Mar 16 00:25:36 <oil> but it should always try to install the newest version
Mar 16 00:25:42 <oil> no matter the feed
Mar 16 00:25:51 <oil> its just the weird "app catalog feed" changes that were made
Mar 16 00:25:51 <PatrickC> to make it faster? lol
Mar 16 00:25:52 <rwhitby> PatrickC: which wiki pages about the kernels have you read so far?
Mar 16 00:25:53 <oil> that broke it
Mar 16 00:25:59 <Tibfib> rwhitby: not recommended... it is "allowed"
Mar 16 00:26:10 <rwhitby> Tibfib: not allowed by Preware :)
Mar 16 00:26:11 * ajay_ is trying out the terminus fun.. fingers crossed!
Mar 16 00:26:11 <PatrickC> rwhitby: the UK page
Mar 16 00:26:25 <Tibfib> rwhitby: hehe, oil's fixing it :)
Mar 16 00:26:36 <oil> http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/preware.git;a=blobdiff;f=app/models/package.js;h=d1b8bb8f816294e0df3c7d0aa08974c7204f37ac;hp=037bcbdf82d9004111f13c8af2fc95c55f6a9a4d;hb=0a0167a25817772d8b76c54faf1d1df78ff6cc0d;hpb=2d78a73cee9141e801cfbfa7213f1d23ca8d1aa3
Mar 16 00:26:42 <oil> pull that, let me know if it works :)
Mar 16 00:26:55 <Tibfib> mmkay
Mar 16 00:27:31 <rwhitby> Tibfib: yep, oil is now making it allowed ;)
Mar 16 00:27:34 <haeffb> PatrickC: I find the pre2 to be plenty fast enough. Now, if you'd said "better battery life..."
Mar 16 00:27:56 <PatrickC> well, its not a personal (activated) device
Mar 16 00:27:58 <Tibfib> I think it has better battery life
Mar 16 00:28:10 <PatrickC> so batt life isn't too much of a worry
Mar 16 00:28:21 <rwhitby> oil: will that cause an ordering-specific behaviour?
Mar 16 00:28:24 <PatrickC> and I have 3 webos devices now, and 3 batterys :)
Mar 16 00:28:33 <haeffb> rwhitby: have there been many reports of random luna restarts on frankenPre2.1 ?
Mar 16 00:29:16 <ajay_> oh terminus you're back, and so easily!
Mar 16 00:30:49 <Tibfib> oil: still inherits the data, but it'll update via the feed now :)
Mar 16 00:30:51 <Tibfib> nice job
Mar 16 00:31:22 <oil> rwhitby: if the package is loading info from another package its because it determined its the newer and better source
Mar 16 00:31:36 <oil> so if the package was in the catalog, and the better package is in another feed
Mar 16 00:31:41 <oil> you dont want to say its appCatalog
Mar 16 00:32:34 <rwhitby> oil: ok, perfect. thanks for fixing my bug :)
Mar 16 00:32:40 <oil> hey, at least its easy
Mar 16 00:32:55 <oil> i think im also going to move the blacklisting to feed loading
Mar 16 00:33:06 <oil> (requireing you to reload the feeds after editing the list)
Mar 16 00:33:14 <rwhitby> yeah, agreed.
Mar 16 00:33:17 <oil> but i think it will fix the "list of everything list is blank" problem
Mar 16 00:33:45 <oil> because it takes too long to check every package for listing along with how ever long their blacklist is
Mar 16 00:34:17 <ajay_> oh funny, i was thinking i needed a gas prices app :)
Mar 16 00:34:19 <rwhitby> oil: agreed. the delay is noticeable.
Mar 16 00:34:26 <Tibfib> rwhitby: thought you said it was not allowed ;)
Mar 16 00:34:52 <ajay_> it was not allowed to bring a lamb to school
Mar 16 00:34:53 <oil> it was no allowed becuase it didnt work
Mar 16 00:34:54 <oil> now it does :)
Mar 16 00:34:57 <oil> so it is
Mar 16 00:34:59 <oil> lol
Mar 16 00:35:01 <oil> and
Mar 16 00:35:07 <oil> there was the whole "get app updates for free" thing
Mar 16 00:35:07 <Tibfib> that sounds good :)
Mar 16 00:35:14 <oil> when a bunch of apps went from homebrew to catalog
Mar 16 00:35:23 <destinal-work> oil: heh, I remember that
Mar 16 00:35:36 <oil> all you needed was an ipk that said it was that with an older version
Mar 16 00:35:42 <oil> the catalog would update you fo free
Mar 16 00:37:42 <ajay_> wow
Mar 16 00:38:04 <oil> but they fixed that on their end a while ago
Mar 16 00:38:25 <oil> after they told everyone to not use the same appid
Mar 16 00:45:38 <rwhitby> Tibfib: oil overrides my decisions all the time - you need to get used to that ;)
Mar 16 00:45:48 <Tibfib> heheh
Mar 16 00:46:05 * oil makes preware 2 load not use persistent storage
Mar 16 00:47:08 * halfhalo is making new webos app called Node Manager
Mar 16 00:47:19 <ka6sox-home> oil does this mean we have to load everything again and again from the server?
Mar 16 00:47:35 <oil> lol
Mar 16 00:47:55 <oil> the same as it does now
Mar 16 00:48:07 * ka6sox-home reroutes all traffic thru oil's connection.
Mar 16 00:48:20 <oil> but whats easier to manage, a text file that can be cached and recreated at will
Mar 16 00:48:30 <oil> or a persistant database that will no doubt pick up errors
Mar 16 00:48:31 <halfhalo> 3rd party modules plus per module app permissions plus built in script and repl launchers plus node version management.
Mar 16 00:48:52 <ka6sox-home> oil, okay just cache all the icons...
Mar 16 00:48:59 <oil> haha
Mar 16 00:49:06 <ka6sox-home> thats the real BW hog.
Mar 16 00:49:07 <ka6sox-home> :P
Mar 16 00:49:53 <oil> node would be good for that
Mar 16 00:50:18 <ka6sox-home> oil, okay sounds good...
Mar 16 00:50:23 <oil> heh
Mar 16 00:50:37 <ka6sox-home> I serve up 10,000 icons/second :P
Mar 16 00:50:46 <ka6sox-home> its dumb.
Mar 16 00:50:46 <destinal> oil: I'm thinking git
Mar 16 00:50:59 <oil> for what, the text files?
Mar 16 00:50:59 <destinal> maybe crazy though :)
Mar 16 00:51:21 <destinal> oil: for all kinds of stuff we don't want to download over and over again but do want to update
Mar 16 00:51:47 <halfhalo> This will be epic
Mar 16 00:52:08 <oil> that would be weird for the icons, lol
Mar 16 00:52:28 <oil> a node server to cache it would probably be the best route
Mar 16 00:52:40 <ka6sox-home> this is *on* the phone?
Mar 16 00:52:44 <oil> yeah
Mar 16 00:52:47 <ka6sox-home> okay good.
Mar 16 00:52:57 <ka6sox-home> because on the server doesn't help me.
Mar 16 00:53:09 * halfhalo backs away
Mar 16 00:53:28 <Loudergood> I'm curious, what's your biggest constraint?
Mar 16 00:53:36 <ka6sox-home> who's
Mar 16 00:53:52 <scoutcamper> oil, i hear that halfhalo is good at node :D
Mar 16 00:53:56 <oil> Tibfib: you did mojomessenger, right?
Mar 16 00:53:57 <Loudergood> yours, server wise... ;)
Mar 16 00:54:04 <Tibfib> oil: yeah
Mar 16 00:54:04 <PatrickC_Pre2> has anyone used crosstalk?
Mar 16 00:54:07 <oil> you see that bbm opening its doors thing?
Mar 16 00:54:13 <Tibfib> blackberry only tho, right?
Mar 16 00:54:21 <oil> oh, idk
Mar 16 00:54:25 <oil> i didn't read into it that much xD
Mar 16 00:54:31 <Tibfib> oil: yeah, it's bb only :)
Mar 16 00:54:31 <oil> really, i read the title
Mar 16 00:54:35 <ka6sox-home> Loudergood, sending the *same* icons over and over and over and over.
Mar 16 00:54:48 <ka6sox-home> to the *same* guy
Mar 16 00:54:55 <oil> yeah
Mar 16 00:55:30 <oil> ka6sox-home: you know
Mar 16 00:55:37 <oil> webos is a web browser
Mar 16 00:55:49 <oil> does it not obey cache headers?
Mar 16 00:55:52 <oil> in-app?
Mar 16 00:55:53 <ka6sox-home> yes, but web browsers do *caching"
Mar 16 00:56:09 <oil> are we sending caching instructions with the icons?
Mar 16 00:56:19 <halfhalo> And guess who is using wget instead of webos stuff
Mar 16 00:56:22 <oil> (maybe we could do a test?)
Mar 16 00:56:37 <ka6sox-home> I thought it was curl?
Mar 16 00:57:21 <halfhalo> I'm pretty sure it's wget
Mar 16 00:57:34 <destinal> ka6sox-home: the downloads of ipks are but not icons
Mar 16 00:57:53 <ka6sox-home> so icons are wget?
Mar 16 00:58:02 <ka6sox-home> and does wget obey caching?
Mar 16 00:58:06 <scoutcamper> looks like it
Mar 16 00:58:07 <ka6sox-home> I don't think so
Mar 16 00:58:08 <destinal> icons should be webkit
Mar 16 00:58:08 <oil> no, they're downloaded by webos
Mar 16 00:58:20 <ka6sox-home> bah
Mar 16 00:58:20 <oil> which is palms webkit
Mar 16 00:58:42 <ka6sox-home> they come out of the mediawiki...
Mar 16 00:58:49 <ka6sox-home> so its cached on teh server side
Mar 16 00:59:13 <halfhalo> I... Why the he'll are they in mediawiki...
Mar 16 00:59:15 <ka6sox-home> so the cache hits are fine...its the BW to continually send it.
Mar 16 00:59:42 <ka6sox-home> because we don't cache it.
Mar 16 00:59:43 <oil> http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=10479&start=0
Mar 16 00:59:47 <oil> lol
Mar 16 00:59:50 <ka6sox-home> halfhalo, it *is*
Mar 16 00:59:56 <ka6sox-home> its an APP issue not a server issue.
Mar 16 01:01:13 * halfhalo just thinks having a big huge php app serving thousands of small files is a bit... Excessive no matter what
Mar 16 01:01:42 <ka6sox-home> then FIX it...preware workflow would need to be fixed.
Mar 16 01:01:58 <ka6sox-home> and it needs to be cached on the device too.
Mar 16 01:02:20 * halfhalo will fire up php once he gets home from class
Mar 16 01:02:43 <ka6sox-home> its a WORKFLOW issue
Mar 16 01:02:47 <ka6sox-home> its how its done...
Mar 16 01:02:51 <PatrickC_Pre2> I'm trying F14 Tomcat :)
Mar 16 01:02:58 <ka6sox-home> they get uploaded to the wiki
Mar 16 01:03:20 <oil> yeah, those could be uploaded elsewhere and pointed to by hte feeds
Mar 16 01:03:24 <ka6sox-home> not a problem with throwing yet another APP.
Mar 16 01:03:26 <oil> but i agree that we need some level of device caching
Mar 16 01:03:31 <oil> if anything, it will make the list faster
Mar 16 01:03:39 <oil> it will make everything better
Mar 16 01:03:44 <oil> on both sides
Mar 16 01:03:57 <ka6sox-home> oil, we can put them in the package server but it needs to be cached on the device side till the app closes.
Mar 16 01:04:01 <ka6sox-home> then it can be flushed.
Mar 16 01:04:15 <oil> uh
Mar 16 01:04:22 <oil> they are in memory till its closed, no?
Mar 16 01:04:35 <oil> i store the image resource in the package object when its loaded
Mar 16 01:04:52 <ka6sox-home> if you go between scenes and come back to a previous scene they are *all* redownloaded.
Mar 16 01:04:58 <oil> they arent
Mar 16 01:05:05 <ka6sox-home> the server says otherwise
Mar 16 01:05:09 <oil> huh
Mar 16 01:05:19 <oil> i mean, thats now how its supposed to work
Mar 16 01:05:25 <ka6sox-home> it doesn't
Mar 16 01:06:00 * Loudergood thinks about that combined with the everything scene....oooh
Mar 16 01:06:09 * halfhalo is gonna spend 2 hours making a php thing to replace the mediawiki portion of this that should cleanly integrate with preware, since he feels rusty with php atm
Mar 16 01:06:23 <ka6sox-home> halfhalo, won't help.
Mar 16 01:06:31 <ka6sox-home> until we solve the issue
Mar 16 01:06:31 * halfhalo goes to class now
Mar 16 01:06:39 <ka6sox-home> because it NEVER hits mediawiki
Mar 16 01:06:44 <ka6sox-home> the cache does it for us
Mar 16 01:06:49 <halfhalo> Won't help the be issue, but it will make me feel better
Mar 16 01:06:55 <ka6sox-home> sigh
Mar 16 01:06:56 <ka6sox-home> okay
Mar 16 01:06:57 <destinal> halfhalo: lol
Mar 16 01:07:01 <Loudergood> thank god for the cache...
Mar 16 01:07:18 <ka6sox-home> about 1X/8hrs it gets downloaded to the cache.
Mar 16 01:07:21 <ka6sox-home> so thats NOTHING.
Mar 16 01:07:46 <ka6sox-home> but everytime we change a scene it downloads them again.
Mar 16 01:07:51 <ka6sox-home> and again
Mar 16 01:07:53 <ka6sox-home> and again
Mar 16 01:07:55 <ka6sox-home> and again
Mar 16 01:10:06 <ka6sox-home> so app side caching appears broke.
Mar 16 01:12:14 * oil will run a test
Mar 16 01:12:21 <oil> load the list
Mar 16 01:12:23 <oil> go airplane mode
Mar 16 01:12:27 <oil> go into package
Mar 16 01:12:30 <oil> see icon
Mar 16 01:12:32 <oil> go back to list, see icon
Mar 16 01:12:35 <oil> ready?
Mar 16 01:12:51 * oil has never tried it, but is relatively sure this should work as expected
Mar 16 01:13:19 <PatrickC_Pre2> what are we testing?
Mar 16 01:14:18 <oil> yeah man
Mar 16 01:14:27 <Loudergood> good test
Mar 16 01:14:36 <Tibfib> that was awesome
Mar 16 01:14:40 <oil> so, a icon is only downloaded once per loading the packages
Mar 16 01:14:52 <ka6sox-home> did you change scenes?
Mar 16 01:14:56 <oil> yes
Mar 16 01:15:08 <oil> from pkg-list to pkg-view back to pkg-list
Mar 16 01:15:29 <ka6sox-home> did you change feeds?
Mar 16 01:15:41 <ka6sox-home> ie from optware to kernels etc.
Mar 16 01:15:44 <oil> if you update feeds / reload packages, yes, it would reget hte icon
Mar 16 01:16:18 <oil> ka6sox-home: my test was if the icon is cached in the package object in memory
Mar 16 01:16:19 <oil> and it was
Mar 16 01:16:23 <ka6sox-home> that *needs* to be cached....reloading ALL of that while the app is running is wasteful.
Mar 16 01:16:40 <ka6sox-home> icons don't change
Mar 16 01:16:45 <oil> right
Mar 16 01:16:56 <oil> but if you then update feeds, and reload the packages, it will redownload the icon
Mar 16 01:17:02 <oil> and it only downloads the icon when its viewed
Mar 16 01:17:13 <oil> so if you open the list of everything
Mar 16 01:17:21 <oil> it only loads the top 20 or so until you scroll down past them
Mar 16 01:17:37 <rwhitby> oil: regarding preware 2 - it needs to instant load without a network connection. can that be done without persistant storage?
Mar 16 01:18:06 <oil> does anything load instantly?
Mar 16 01:20:46 <oil> i mean, i can instantly show you bad data
Mar 16 01:20:54 <oil> package updates: 0
Mar 16 01:20:55 <rwhitby> the number of packages in each group for the main screen should, including the number of updates (which the node.js service has calculated on the last sync)
Mar 16 01:21:00 <oil> (loads in background)
Mar 16 01:21:04 <oil> package udpates: 1
Mar 16 01:21:27 <rwhitby> should use the latest known from the service, and update in background.
Mar 16 01:22:31 <oil> so it opens, you see the bad data from the last time those numbers were cached, you type "wirc" and press enter
Mar 16 01:22:38 <oil> now you wait for it to finish loading packages and display
Mar 16 01:22:55 <oil> is that a better experience?
Mar 16 01:23:24 <oil> the main problem with persistant storage AND background updating
Mar 16 01:23:39 <oil> is that there is no viable persistant storage between the two pieces
Mar 16 01:24:47 <ka6sox-home> oil, so every second 4000 people are turning on preware?
Mar 16 01:25:03 <ka6sox-home> because I send the preware icon over 4000/sec
Mar 16 01:25:07 <oil> see
Mar 16 01:25:11 * ka6sox-home has logs.
Mar 16 01:25:19 <oil> its gotta be because that preware icon url is used everywhere
Mar 16 01:25:24 <oil> i mean, not in-app
Mar 16 01:25:35 <ka6sox-home> no, its webos clientd
Mar 16 01:25:36 <oil> the preware icon in the header for example, is from device
Mar 16 01:25:37 <oil> we ship that
Mar 16 01:25:39 <ka6sox-home> not others
Mar 16 01:25:54 <ka6sox-home> its webos thats asking for it.
Mar 16 01:26:00 <ka6sox-home> not firefox
Mar 16 01:26:04 <ka6sox-home> not IE
Mar 16 01:26:07 <oil> i dont know what to say
Mar 16 01:26:20 * ka6sox-home thinks we need a bigger boat.
Mar 16 01:26:42 <oil> 4000 seeing preware listed in the package list in preware every second seems really high
Mar 16 01:27:06 <ka6sox-home> its that displayed @ the beginning of every session?
Mar 16 01:27:09 * ka6sox-home has to look.
Mar 16 01:27:12 <oil> ka6sox-home: if you dont believe me about the icon caching, please run the test i outlined above
Mar 16 01:27:28 <oil> i dont know what else to say
Mar 16 01:27:29 <ka6sox-home> I understand...I'm trying to figure out what is going on...
Mar 16 01:27:37 <oil> the icon in the header is from the package
Mar 16 01:27:45 <oil> preware should only download prewares icon once per feed load
Mar 16 01:27:48 <ka6sox-home> our numbers are waaaay off then.
Mar 16 01:27:53 <oil> and only when that package is viewed in a list
Mar 16 01:28:16 <ka6sox-home> what would be downloading it that frequently?
Mar 16 01:28:30 <rwhitby> does wosqi cache?
Mar 16 01:28:33 <oil> i have no clue
Mar 16 01:28:42 <oil> he said its from webos useragent
Mar 16 01:28:48 <rwhitby> I was asking ka6sox-home - it will use a different useragent to preware
Mar 16 01:29:00 <ka6sox-home> its the webos useragent.
Mar 16 01:29:24 * ka6sox-home looks @ logs...brb
Mar 16 01:29:26 <ka6sox-home> I'll get a line
Mar 16 01:29:41 <oil> because 4000 seems like a lot
Mar 16 01:29:48 <ka6sox-home> oil, agreed
Mar 16 01:29:52 <ka6sox-home> thats why I ask
Mar 16 01:30:01 <oil> and preware shouldn't be that much higher then any other frequently used wi icons
Mar 16 01:30:03 <oil> like govnah
Mar 16 01:30:16 <oil> as far as being seen from preware is concerned
Mar 16 01:30:19 <ka6sox-home> govnah doesn't come from the net
Mar 16 01:30:27 <ka6sox-home> preware downloads icons ;D
Mar 16 01:30:33 <oil> no
Mar 16 01:30:34 <oil> i mean
Mar 16 01:31:02 <oil> why the preware icon is so much more
Mar 16 01:31:09 <oil> when preware only downloads it when the package is viewed
Mar 16 01:31:22 <oil> preware downloads the govnah icon when someone views the package for the first time, too
Mar 16 01:31:36 <oil> you said preware was way above the rest
Mar 16 01:31:44 <oil> i would think they would be closer
Mar 16 01:31:52 <oil> preware icon*
Mar 16 01:32:47 <ka6sox-home> [16/Mar/2011:01:30:02 +0000] "GET http://www.webos-internals.org/images/f/f6/Lumberjack_ss7.png HTTP/1.1" 200 43347 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (webOS/1.4.5; U; en-US) AppleWebKit/532.2 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/1.0 Safari/532.2 Pre/1.0"
Mar 16 01:32:53 <ka6sox-home> thats an example...
Mar 16 01:33:10 <oil> thats most likely someone viewing lumberjack in preware
Mar 16 01:33:40 <ka6sox-home> this is the most frequent:
Mar 16 01:33:42 <ka6sox-home> 116.10.55.133 - - [16/Mar/2011:01:30:02 +0000] "GET http://www.webos-internals.org/images/e/e4/Icon_Preware.png HTTP/1.1" 200 5513 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (webOS/1.4.5; U; zh-CN) AppleWebKit/532.2 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/1.0 Safari/532.2 Pre/1.0"
Mar 16 01:36:15 <ka6sox-home> hundreds of times a second.
Mar 16 01:36:19 <ka6sox-home> thousands.
Mar 16 01:36:22 <oil> i love how all browsers say they're mozilla xD
Mar 16 01:37:06 <ka6sox-home> the clue is webOS/1.4.5
Mar 16 01:37:11 <ka6sox-home> so its the phones
Mar 16 01:37:11 <oil> i know
Mar 16 01:37:18 <ka6sox-home> its not me @ home.
Mar 16 01:37:21 <oil> thousands just seems like too m uch
Mar 16 01:37:31 * ka6sox-home agrees
Mar 16 01:37:39 <oil> maybe more people use preware then we ever thought
Mar 16 01:37:54 <ka6sox-home> I don't write 'em, I just serve 'em
Mar 16 01:38:18 <rwhitby> oil: maybe there are a Billeeeoonn preware users!
Mar 16 01:38:27 <oil> i mean
Mar 16 01:38:37 <oil> whats hte only other option, a crap ton of other apps serve up the icon?
Mar 16 01:38:53 <oil> the icon is only downloaded by preware when the package is viewed
Mar 16 01:38:56 <ka6sox-home> its being *asked* for
Mar 16 01:39:08 <oil> ka6sox-home: right, thats what i meant, haha
Mar 16 01:39:13 <halfhalo> do we have the stats for the doman the icons are on?
Mar 16 01:39:33 <ka6sox-home> halfhalo, you have run AWSTATS On it.
Mar 16 01:39:46 <ka6sox-home> so yes.
Mar 16 01:40:05 <bhuey_> btw, Sprint Pre Plus is working but not yet activated
Mar 16 01:40:14 <ka6sox-home> the cache serves it up faithfully all the time.
Mar 16 01:40:27 <halfhalo> only for ipkg and git though... I don't think any others got run
Mar 16 01:40:35 <bhuey_> still going to stay with the EVO for now although I'm running into some problems with battery life and 3G data rates
Mar 16 01:40:38 <ka6sox-home> okay then you need to.
Mar 16 01:41:05 <jackjohn> has any had issues with sound not working after upgrade to 2.1?  headphone jack works, speaker phone works
Mar 16 01:41:31 <ka6sox-home> anyways...I'm not beating on this because its something insignificant in terms of BW...its 2Mb Avg out of this one thing.
Mar 16 01:41:54 <bhuey> btw 2.1 runs like a dream on this Pre Plus device
Mar 16 01:42:01 <ka6sox-home> so 1/10 of our normal BW.
Mar 16 01:43:04 <PatrickC> I think F14 Tomcat broke my phone :'(
Mar 16 01:43:06 <halfhalo> well, if I start the run tonight, it should finish... monday
Mar 16 01:45:15 <ka6sox-home> okay I'm sorry..its only 1.3Mb average...
Mar 16 01:45:25 <halfhalo> PatrickC there is a reason its in the testing feed
Mar 16 01:45:48 <PatrickC> it started up when I plugged it in
Mar 16 01:45:52 <ka6sox-home> PatrickC, no wanking about "experimental" kernels will be tolerated.
Mar 16 01:47:32 <PatrickC> ok
Mar 16 01:48:03 <halfhalo> and since you opted to install an experimental kernel you are expected to know how to fix it,
Mar 16 01:48:11 <halfhalo> which is docod on the wiki
Mar 16 01:48:17 <PatrickC> and I do know how to fix it
Mar 16 01:48:21 <PatrickC> I *did* fix it
Mar 16 01:48:38 <PatrickC> I know that it can lead to a doctor
Mar 16 01:48:39 <ka6sox-home> then don't report here that it "broke" your phone...
Mar 16 01:48:58 <PatrickC> I had to doctor a device last night because of a kernel
Mar 16 01:49:13 <ka6sox-home> fine...its the risk you take...
Mar 16 01:49:23 <ka6sox-home> but it didn't "break" your phone.
Mar 16 01:49:59 <rwhitby> PatrickC: that is an expected outcome
Mar 16 01:50:51 <rwhitby> PatrickC: would you walk into someone's house, pick up a carving knife, stick it in your neck, and then complain that the person who owns the house hurt you?
Mar 16 01:51:07 <rwhitby> cause that is what you just did here, and it is not appreciated.
Mar 16 01:51:24 <bhuey> rwhitby: thanks for all of the work with the meta-doctor btw. it's been a blast playing with 2.1
Mar 16 01:51:38 <bhuey> runs like a dream here on this Sprint+ Pre
Mar 16 01:51:43 * halfhalo has never actually hd to memboot a kernel yet
Mar 16 01:51:45 <bhuey> overclocked
Mar 16 01:52:43 <scoutcamper> halfhalo, the smart thing to do is to extract the uImage from the kernel to memboot your phone to test the kernel, then install it
Mar 16 01:53:12 <halfhalo> never seen an overclocking kernel compared to a knife before... I like it
Mar 16 02:01:35 <PatrickC> ok, sorry...
Mar 16 02:23:16 <RMind> weird... my phone is stuck at 10PM
Mar 16 02:23:35 <PatrickC_Pre2> I use Clock Sync to keep mine at the correct time
Mar 16 02:23:46 <RMind> ajay_, how about yours?
Mar 16 02:24:40 <RMind> PatrickC_Pre2, I'm on a cdma network, my phone has to know the time
Mar 16 02:25:06 <PatrickC_Pre2> my Pixi (CDMA) sometimes gets off time though
Mar 16 02:25:46 <RMind> network time and timezone are set... I've never seen this happen before
Mar 16 02:26:25 <PatrickC_Pre2> try clock sync, see what it says
Mar 16 02:26:36 <PatrickC_Pre2> it might think you are in a different time zone
Mar 16 02:26:46 <PatrickC_Pre2> or it might not have switched over to DST
Mar 16 02:27:17 <RMind> it's not like that, it's stuck at a specific time
Mar 16 02:27:18 <PatrickC_Pre2> my Pixi didn't switch over when DST came into affect
Mar 16 02:27:27 <oil> rwhitby: preware issue 192 had a target version of 1.2.0, how cute :)
Mar 16 02:27:28 <PatrickC_Pre2> oh.. that is weird
Mar 16 02:27:29 <oil> lol
Mar 16 02:27:45 <RMind> but if I run date in a terminal I get the right time
Mar 16 02:27:57 <rwhitby> can everyone add the first five characters of their device serial numbers to the webOS Doctor Versions page like http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions#Pre_Plus_.28P7JUA0000000.29 ?
Mar 16 02:27:58 <PatrickC_Pre2> restart?
Mar 16 02:28:22 <rwhitby> replace the last 7 characters with zeros to protect your device identity
Mar 16 02:28:28 <RMind> I *just* restarted cause I had a network connection issue
Mar 16 02:31:20 <RMind> okay... the clock app shows the right time.  it's just stuck at 10PM in my top bar
Mar 16 02:31:55 <PatrickC_Pre2> weird
Mar 16 02:33:23 * RMind breathes deep... my Prēworld has not ended
Mar 16 02:36:44 <PatrickC_Pre2> rwhitby: can you tell me where on the page that is? it doesn't take me to the specific spot when on the mobile site, and refuses to go there..
Mar 16 02:41:27 <rwhitby> PatrickC_Pre2: I already have Pre 2 filled out, so no need for you to do it.
Mar 16 02:41:44 <PatrickC_Pre2> ok
Mar 16 02:42:06 <PatrickC_Pre2> I also have a pre+ and a pixi-
Mar 16 02:42:28 <rwhitby> do both of those. the place to put them should be obvious
Mar 16 02:44:56 <PatrickC_Pre2> ok. I found it
Mar 16 02:45:18 <PatrickC_Pre2> I'm not sure if I an edit when on the pre
Mar 16 02:45:42 <kostka> rwhitby: how about o2 pre minus? do u still need it?
Mar 16 02:46:15 <rwhitby> kostka: if it is not on the page already
Mar 16 02:48:07 <RMind> okay... looks like it's updating again
Mar 16 02:51:43 <PatrickC_Pre2> Pixi added
Mar 16 02:51:50 <destinal-pre> rwhitby: are the first 5 and a random suffix enough to get a download link?
Mar 16 02:51:58 <rwhitby> yep
Mar 16 02:52:40 <PatrickC_Pre2> rwhitby: when I updated the page, it took the download links away...
Mar 16 02:52:53 <PatrickC_Pre2> idk what happened... srry
Mar 16 02:53:20 <SineOtter> lol
Mar 16 02:53:30 <PatrickC_Pre2> but only from the place I edited (Sprint Pixi)
Mar 16 02:54:29 <PatrickC_Pre2> wait, now they are there...
Mar 16 02:54:45 <PatrickC_Pre2> sineotter: can you check to make sure they are still there?
Mar 16 02:54:56 <SineOtter> I'm seeing them as gone
Mar 16 02:55:03 <oil> wiki fail
Mar 16 02:55:11 <oil> at least its relatively simple to revert a page
Mar 16 02:55:16 <PatrickC_Pre2> good
Mar 16 02:55:33 * PatrickC_Pre2 wipes sweat off of forehead
Mar 16 02:55:51 <PatrickC_Pre2> I'm still new to the world of Wiki editing :p
Mar 16 02:56:22 <cryptk> PatrickC, which page?
Mar 16 02:56:34 <PatrickC_Pre2> webos doctor versions
Mar 16 02:56:34 <SineOtter> Yeah, I already restored it
Mar 16 02:56:34 <oil> i mean, i dont have it open to do it, but anyone can ;)
Mar 16 02:56:35 <rwhitby> PatrickC_Pre2: put the links back please.
Mar 16 02:56:45 <rwhitby> SineOtter: thanks
Mar 16 02:56:56 <PatrickC_Pre2> sorry about that rwhitby
Mar 16 02:57:38 <PatrickC_Pre2> I can post the first 5 digits of my SN and someone an add them...
Mar 16 02:57:50 <SineOtter> that's still there too
Mar 16 02:58:59 <oil> otterpants = wiki pro
Mar 16 02:59:38 * rwhitby pats the otter on the furry head
Mar 16 02:59:46 <cryptk> PatrickC, stick to editing wikis on a PC
Mar 16 02:59:52 <PatrickC_Pre2> I will
Mar 16 02:59:55 <cryptk> mobile phones are not that great for it, lol
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