**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Mar 18 02:59:57 2011 Mar 18 03:00:06 I'm going to get it replaced under the device insurance since it's had a bad keyboard backlight since like, a few weeks after I got it Mar 18 03:04:40 2.1 isnt that good Mar 18 03:04:45 The animation is nice Mar 18 03:04:54 It's better than 1.4.5 was Mar 18 03:05:02 but it has worse memory management Mar 18 03:05:26 My phone randomly decided to slow to a crawl Mar 18 03:10:34 so Mar 18 03:10:36 good news Mar 18 03:10:37 :D Mar 18 03:11:13 http://sacramento.craigslist.org/mob/2269932300.html < -- im meeitng him tomorrow at 8am .. he claims there is nothing wrong with it .. it has the touchstone charger included :D Mar 18 03:11:48 you is gonna get robbed at gunpoint Mar 18 03:11:54 naw Mar 18 03:11:57 that is why told him Mar 18 03:12:02 can we meet in public Mar 18 03:12:08 Well, thats how people greet each othe on CL, right? Mar 18 03:12:17 cl ? Mar 18 03:12:27 craigslist Mar 18 03:12:44 lol naw .. i put a car up on craigslist and people where coming to our house Mar 18 03:12:45 it was coo Mar 18 03:12:52 * joeb_ is excited Mar 18 03:13:02 next time i come in here tomorrow i will be on my pre Mar 18 03:13:06 * joeb_ needs to install sdk Mar 18 03:13:40 I'd rather get one off ebay for cheaper Mar 18 03:13:51 yea well i need it now .. i can't wait shipping sucks Mar 18 03:13:58 i just asked him via text why is he selling it Mar 18 03:13:58 @joeb.. Where you meeting? Mar 18 03:14:01 he said he got a new phone Mar 18 03:14:07 lol egaudet Mar 18 03:14:10 err . egadgetguy Mar 18 03:14:16 this tab completion sucks Mar 18 03:14:18 brb Mar 18 03:14:46 He still has the box so its relatively new Mar 18 03:14:51 yea Mar 18 03:14:56 i was going over the picture Mar 18 03:15:19 Or at least well kept Mar 18 03:15:36 plus dock charger .. im assuming touchstone Mar 18 03:16:25 this guys i coo Mar 18 03:16:28 i just text him back Mar 18 03:16:38 i said why are you getting rid of your pre Mar 18 03:16:39 he said Mar 18 03:16:49 i have 2 mytouch 4gs im also selling of of those Mar 18 03:17:10 he must be on t-mobile Mar 18 03:17:15 Is it a pre+ or a pre2? Mar 18 03:17:19 It is unlocked Mar 18 03:17:20 pre + Mar 18 03:17:38 PatrickC_Pre2- http://sacramento.craigslist.org/mob/2269932300.html Mar 18 03:17:42 I saw Mar 18 03:17:47 But it said unlocked Mar 18 03:17:48 yea Mar 18 03:18:00 So, I thought UMTS unlocked pre2 :) Mar 18 03:18:03 It could be Mar 18 03:18:04 Yeah, I dont understand the unlocked part Mar 18 03:18:12 It is pricey enough Mar 18 03:18:13 prob for t-mobile Mar 18 03:18:20 Prob Mar 18 03:18:27 oh well i been looking and its the best so far .. Mar 18 03:18:27 Let us know tomorrow Mar 18 03:18:29 Just a way to lure buyers Mar 18 03:18:30 k Mar 18 03:18:42 It's a GSM phone with an open SIM for any GSM network... axcept maybe att Mar 18 03:18:51 Can't wait :) Mar 18 03:19:15 Look at the picture of it in the box closley Mar 18 03:19:25 I looks like the flat front of a pre2 Mar 18 03:19:30 i know Mar 18 03:19:33 that was wierd Mar 18 03:19:44 its an att box Mar 18 03:19:48 And it looks like the square box that the pre2 comes in Mar 18 03:19:59 pre2 is for verizon though eh Mar 18 03:20:01 Att box? Mar 18 03:20:07 hmmm says att? Mar 18 03:20:08 Unlocked though Mar 18 03:20:15 yea wierd Mar 18 03:20:18 i will tell you hehe Mar 18 03:20:25 Can't wait :) Mar 18 03:20:30 there is an unlocked 2 Mar 18 03:20:37 it says palm on the back of the phone Mar 18 03:20:38 Yep Mar 18 03:20:41 i thought pre2 has hp ? Mar 18 03:20:46 UMTS Unlocked Pre2 Mar 18 03:20:53 Mine says nothing on the mirrior Mar 18 03:21:08 And it still says Palm on the back Mar 18 03:21:12 well - here goes... about to meta-doctor this + Mar 18 03:21:23 Its just a standard touchstone back Mar 18 03:21:39 on another PC... win7... Mar 18 03:21:41 yea i had one of those .. if not i will just go buy it Mar 18 03:21:47 working... Mar 18 03:21:52 egadgetguy- whats the issue ? Mar 18 03:21:56 or "scanning" Mar 18 03:22:16 It kept failing to reset the pre on my laptop Mar 18 03:22:25 then the USB posts would lock up Mar 18 03:22:36 Why Pre Plus? Mar 18 03:22:36 ... "scanning" Mar 18 03:22:39 * joeb_ installs sdk Mar 18 03:22:41 I'd rather get the Pre2 Mar 18 03:23:15 I have pluses Mar 18 03:23:22 2s cot $$ Mar 18 03:23:25 cost Mar 18 03:23:32 Use the developer code Mar 18 03:23:45 I got 2.1.0 installed on my other + Mar 18 03:23:57 FAILED! Mar 18 03:24:09 so it's not the PC that's at fault... Mar 18 03:26:49 egadgetguy- do it in recovery mode Mar 18 03:27:18 wow im hyped Mar 18 03:27:45 i should get it .. see if it has warranty and tell att to replace it for shits and giggles Mar 18 03:27:59 egadgetguy: do you have linux machine, or just win7? Mar 18 03:29:37 I could run it in linux ... not thriiled Mar 18 03:30:01 egadgetguy, then do that...stop messing around with W7 and all its problems. Mar 18 03:30:11 OK - Mar 18 03:30:24 lol you have linux and you are wasting your time with that shit? Mar 18 03:30:48 s/sh*t/stuff please. Mar 18 03:31:00 you need to run the doctor via command prompt with log and figure out what is making the damn thing fail Mar 18 03:31:00 I just thought it was something I could get around. Mar 18 03:31:16 egadgetguy, you say it like using linux is a bad thing Mar 18 03:31:19 silly! Mar 18 03:31:36 connect to linux pc and type >lsusb Mar 18 03:31:59 i need output of command Mar 18 03:32:04 it's not - it just means starting over. Mar 18 03:32:17 guess it was inevitable Mar 18 03:32:28 lol... its really not a bif deal Mar 18 03:32:33 you run a script. bam! Mar 18 03:32:41 at least it will be done right :) Mar 18 03:33:08 if you had said "I have linux too" 2+hrs ago I would have advised you to NOT waste your time with W7 in this case. Mar 18 03:33:14 listen to wanderer2000 he is trying to help you trouble shoot Mar 18 03:33:41 ka6sox-away, there really is no reason for someone not to have linux to Mar 18 03:34:30 same information can be obtained from win7 device manager Mar 18 03:35:11 It worked fine for me in win7 Mar 18 03:35:20 I'm about to do it again Mar 18 03:35:32 I'll let uall know the results Mar 18 03:35:56 PatrickC_Pre2, but it *hasn't* worked for him in 2+hrs of futzing around with it. Mar 18 03:36:46 Weird Mar 18 03:36:58 I can't connect to my pre via cmd prompt Mar 18 03:37:15 palm-install -l Mar 18 03:37:19 No devices found Mar 18 03:37:55 Running SDK now to re-install novacom drivers Mar 18 03:38:49 Hmm Mar 18 03:38:53 Not finding it Mar 18 03:39:02 wow Mar 18 03:39:18 i installed sdk and i don't see it in virtualbox Mar 18 03:39:21 wierd* Mar 18 03:39:26 And I need novacom to backup prl Mar 18 03:40:11 Novacom is the *only* way to backup the PRL for Sprint, right? Mar 18 03:40:40 did you check the wiki before you asked this? Mar 18 03:40:49 Yes Mar 18 03:40:57 I know about using novacom Mar 18 03:41:07 I didn't know if any other ways were found? Mar 18 03:41:13 S/?/./ Mar 18 03:41:39 well. the latest is in the wiki, check there *first* before asking here. Mar 18 03:41:51 can anyone provide lsusb output? :( Mar 18 03:41:54 Ok Mar 18 03:43:02 wanderer2000, sorry...no can do on this box. Mar 18 03:43:14 * Jack87 is at office and no can do Mar 18 03:43:30 Is it something that can happen on win7? Mar 18 03:43:39 And what/where do you put it? Mar 18 03:43:58 PatrickC_Pre2, ya your novacom service might be acting wonky Mar 18 03:43:58 * ka6sox-away doubts seriously if that command is on w7 Mar 18 03:44:14 win7: device manager, usb devices Mar 18 03:44:16 Jack87, probably Mar 18 03:44:46 wow i forgot to run palm-emulator Mar 18 03:44:58 For what? Mar 18 03:45:03 the emulator Mar 18 03:45:05 i just installed sdk Mar 18 03:45:12 Ah ok Mar 18 03:45:43 guys, where do u usually get novacom for windows? Mar 18 03:45:55 it installs by itself Mar 18 03:46:02 With the sdk Mar 18 03:46:03 novaterm you mean ? Mar 18 03:46:15 or you can download WSQI Mar 18 03:46:24 novacom & novaterm Mar 18 03:46:38 what novacom version u have on windows? Mar 18 03:46:43 webos quick install 3 has a thing where you can install novacomd Mar 18 03:46:44 sorry, i don't use sdk Mar 18 03:46:53 How do I re-install novacom? Mar 18 03:46:55 download webos quick install Mar 18 03:46:59 webos quick install is not a development tool.. you are in a development chat... please use what is needed for the job Mar 18 03:47:18 Webosqi won't launch without a device attached Mar 18 03:47:27 PatrickC_Pre2- yes but it will install novacomd Mar 18 03:47:57 So, redownload webosqi? Mar 18 03:48:06 sigh Mar 18 03:48:31 I'll try it again Mar 18 03:48:46 do u know that you can get novacom version from "programs and features" ? Mar 18 03:48:54 windows Mar 18 03:50:06 ok, nvm Mar 18 03:50:52 bbl Mar 18 03:51:03 egadgetguy, GL. Mar 18 04:21:28 Ka6sox-away: I fixed it Mar 18 04:21:34 It wasn't in dev mode :o Mar 18 04:21:40 * PatrickC_Pre2 is embarrassed Mar 18 04:21:54 you should be... Mar 18 04:22:06 99% of the time when you can't see it thats the issue. Mar 18 04:22:39 I wasn't thinking Mar 18 04:22:48 All my devices are usually in dev mode Mar 18 04:22:55 I just assumed this one was... Mar 18 04:59:47 Quick question. Terminal and WebOS 2.1.0. Incompatible or did I break something? Mar 18 05:12:30 broken Mar 18 05:12:38 incop right now Mar 18 05:12:55 use terminus or xterm Mar 18 05:17:08 KGF2009, see here: http://metaviewsoft.de/wordpress/?p=560 Mar 18 05:18:47 thanks for all the hard work on the scripts :) Mar 18 05:30:35 Night all Mar 18 06:18:35 oil: vacation? ha! Mar 18 06:19:09 heh Mar 18 06:27:16 what happens when you're debugging an app and realize you need more stuff in your debugger: http://i53.tinypic.com/vd2s0p.png Mar 18 06:27:17 :) Mar 18 06:28:59 bah Mar 18 06:36:28 http://i51.tinypic.com/ztw6lz.png Mar 18 06:36:29 ? Mar 18 06:36:41 nice Mar 18 06:37:05 "my debugging tool isn't good enough... well... good thing I wrote my debugging tool... I submit my own feature request!" Mar 18 06:37:14 ^^^oil's brain^^^ Mar 18 06:37:18 heh Mar 18 07:01:26 Hi everybody! Mar 18 07:01:35 grrr Mar 18 07:02:53 I'm now the proud owner of a broken Telcel Pre Minus :'( Mar 18 07:20:28 lol Mar 18 07:24:04 * NuttyBunny blames her gf... Mar 18 07:24:19 it's her fault that Baby Pre won't work anymore :@ Mar 18 07:25:27 Anyone willing to sell their slider mechanism with the ribbons and keyboard? :S Mar 18 07:26:42 * NuttyBunny tries to boot again Mar 18 12:45:34 NuttyBunny: I may have one that would work Mar 18 12:46:16 send me an address to haeffb at gmail Mar 18 13:14:39 is it normal that the preware installation takes quite some time to complete? Mar 18 13:20:36 anyone around? Mar 18 13:27:50 hrm. franlenPre2 has Ev data roaming. haven't seen Ev roaming on my Pre- for a long time Mar 18 13:28:53 quick install doesn't seem to complete any install I'm trying to run, any idea what the problem might be? Mar 18 13:46:45 quick install doesn't seem to complete any install I'm trying to run, any idea what the problem might be? Mar 18 15:16:12 Does FreeTether work for 2.1? Mar 18 15:22:51 Abyssul: it says in the changelog that version 0.99.6 supports both 1.4.5 and 2.x.x, so I'd guess so, yeah. Mar 18 15:25:42 works for me Mar 18 16:00:14 Good morning Mar 18 16:00:35 mgschu: morning Mar 18 16:00:38 Is anyone here on a geo-restricted catalog and feel like helping me out with some alpha testing? Mar 18 16:01:45 mgschu: got an on device version going? Mar 18 16:02:05 * destinal-work is US catalog so not useful for testing, but interested Mar 18 16:03:25 destinal-work: feel like taking a look at my source code, checking security implications? Mar 18 16:04:06 destinal-work: also, if I copy over closed-source files after installation, can I still release the source code under MIT? Mar 18 16:15:44 mgschu: yeah I'd be interested in looking at it Mar 18 16:16:17 mgschu: I'm not sure I follow the second question Mar 18 16:16:22 http://gitorious.org/mgschu/dummy Mar 18 16:17:06 destinal-work: check out the postinst. It copies some js from filemgr after install, but everything in the git is my own Mar 18 16:22:01 mgschu: yeah, you can license your own code however you like. you may have to watch out about the possibility that your code coukd be considered a derivative work of filemgr, but really it's much like the idea of clised source binary linux kernel modules, no precedent yet Mar 18 16:23:00 mgschu: any way you could eliminate dependence on closed source stuff entirely? Mar 18 16:23:29 destinal-work: I've pm'd JayCanuck on precentral with the git but no response Mar 18 16:23:49 I don't see why he doesn't just MIT license those things, at least the service part Mar 18 16:23:55 destinal-work: my node skillz aren't up to that yet Mar 18 16:24:27 Perhaps because of the NDA? I know he had to get permission from palm to release it at all Mar 18 16:26:02 What do you think about widening the scope of the package service? Could be incredibly powerful, but not hard to see where this would be used Mar 18 16:26:06 mgschu: he's had some stuff under closed licenses for a while with no obvious benefit to him Mar 18 16:26:56 mgschu: widening the scope how? Mar 18 16:30:17 mgschu: yeah, looks like you probably have a command injection flaw here in that the dummyId parameter gets inserted directly into the /bin/sh call Mar 18 16:33:53 * mgschu is on a train and his pre is struggling for signal Mar 18 16:34:55 that kinda sucks. Mar 18 16:35:17 mgschu: I might be able to help you with the geo-restricted catalog testing btw Mar 18 16:36:00 As far as I know, I can't access anything that's restricted at all. Mar 18 16:36:56 I'm in stockholm (sweden), and I can't even install the "stockholm metro" app, because it's "not available in your country" Mar 18 16:37:43 Frost: thanks. Try this, but I here that it isn't installing. I'm going to go offline and test it. http://bit.ly/hfLLYh Mar 18 16:39:38 what does it do? Mar 18 16:39:51 yeah, that's a good question Mar 18 16:40:14 probably (and hopefully) it's what's in the git repo he pasted an url to earlier Mar 18 16:43:16 rwhitby: ping Mar 18 16:44:07 MetaView: I believe he's trying to create an on-device IPK Fetcher Mar 18 17:10:04 Frost: there was attempts of it a year ago, don't know why, but they were stopped after a time Mar 18 17:11:24 I see Mar 18 17:15:33 haeffb: can we do it tomorrow morning? Mar 18 17:18:07 should be able. Mar 18 17:25:52 Big problem with the ipk I gave out. If you have installed it, please delete /media/cryptofs/apps/palm Mar 18 17:26:43 I was lazy and used IPK Packager.jar and forgot to check the install path. It's missing the usr directory. Mar 18 17:27:52 mgschu: looks like you probably have a command injection flaw here in that the dummyId parameter gets inserted directly into the /bin/sh call Mar 18 17:28:14 or at least earlier when I looked at th ecode Mar 18 17:29:10 destinal-work: I see. I'll test it out with dummyId: "com.any.app ; luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.vibrate/vibrate {\"period\":1,\"duration\":1000\} Mar 18 17:29:12 " Mar 18 17:31:52 mgschu: cp /etc/hostname /tmp/webkit-clipboard would be easier.. Mar 18 17:32:06 then just paste to see if it worked Mar 18 17:32:57 or just put a script in /tmp and do ;/tmp/runme Mar 18 17:37:00 poppycock Mar 18 17:40:04 destinal-work: vibrate is a fun, albeit arduous, way of testing it :) Mar 18 17:40:07 unfortunately it worked Mar 18 17:41:55 how can I sanitize this on the service side? Mar 18 17:42:29 mgschu: javascript regex to ensure only alphanumerics (no spaces or special characters for instance) make it in would be one thing Mar 18 17:43:16 * mgschu just went past the angel of the north Mar 18 17:43:18 putting it in quotes on the sh line can't hurt either Mar 18 17:44:53 mgschu: cool, just wiki'd it and had never heard of the sculpture before Mar 18 18:15:37 git updated with a packager script and a slightly sanitized service - http://gitorious.org/mgschu/dummy Mar 18 18:24:35 mgschu: FAILED_IPKG_INSTALL Mar 18 18:25:40 don't know why though Mar 18 18:26:57 Frost: I was lazy, and omitted /usr/ from the install path Mar 18 18:27:14 you will want to delete /media/cryptofs/apps/palm Mar 18 18:27:27 yeah, I already did that Mar 18 18:27:41 and now I cloned your git-repo and tried the packaging script Mar 18 18:27:56 that's what gave me the FAILED_IPKG_INSTALL Mar 18 18:28:26 I'll see what's up with it. Does it give a reason? Mar 18 18:33:36 mgschu: no, it didn't give me any reason Mar 18 18:39:53 Frost: there was a line in the postinst trying to copy a file that no longer exists. Git has been updated Mar 18 18:41:21 Frost: That was the only error I had, and it still installed. Do you have internalz installed and are you on 2.0+ ? Mar 18 18:49:39 NuttyBunny: ping Mar 18 18:49:49 http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OTIyNA Mar 18 18:50:31 anyone said webos? Mar 18 18:50:33 XD Mar 18 18:50:47 they're that intent on copying Qt then... Mar 18 20:06:18 adora: hi, about my stuck app... Mar 18 20:10:48 * SineOt hits MetaView's app with a hammer Mar 18 20:12:08 percussive maintenance is always helpful Mar 18 20:24:50 [plop] Mar 18 21:04:01 Hi folks! Anyone willing to point me to the ipk for the linphone alpha? I've got some time this weekend to play around with bleeding edge software Mar 18 22:34:15 jello Mar 18 22:40:22 hi Mar 18 23:02:59 howdy Mar 18 23:04:37 my sprint prankenplus is acting up. prepared has "lost" all of my installed software. It's there and it works, but preware doesn't list any of it. Is there a fix? Mar 18 23:32:53 RT @webOSdev: 2.1 sdk is now out of NDA and available on http://bit.ly/fCvMaD Mar 19 00:35:19 what up all Mar 19 00:35:23 i got my pre Mar 19 00:35:25 w00t Mar 19 00:36:35 go joeb_ :D Mar 19 00:36:42 and a touchstone Mar 19 00:36:44 and a case Mar 19 00:36:45 etc .. Mar 19 00:36:46 lol Mar 19 00:36:52 $180 Mar 19 00:36:54 how much? Mar 19 00:36:59 cheap :D Mar 19 00:37:01 yep Mar 19 00:37:06 i was like oh wow this is included Mar 19 00:37:07 :D Mar 19 00:37:17 anyway im dong the meta-doctor script and geting errors Mar 19 00:37:29 so its an att pre plus Mar 19 00:37:40 anyway for some reason the metadoctor script isn't working for me .. i downloaded meat-doctor via git ..i did a mkdir downloads in meta-doctor and i ran /scripts/meta-att-preplus-2.1.0 .. im getting an error Mar 19 00:37:41 Please download the correct version of the webOS Doctor .jar file Mar 19 00:37:42 and then move it to downloads/webosdoctorp101ueu-wr-2.1.0.jar (i.e. the downloads directory that was just created under the current directory). Mar 19 00:37:42 make: *** [downloads/webosdoctorp101ueu-wr-2.1.0.jar] Error Mar 19 00:38:11 does that mean i need to go manually download the 2.1 .jar and manually move it to downloads then run the script again ? or just run the jar ? Mar 19 00:39:11 You probably need to download it by yourself and run the script again Mar 19 00:39:23 wierd Mar 19 00:39:27 last time it downloaded both of them Mar 19 00:40:17 Well, just take a look at the script's code Mar 19 00:41:32 know what Mar 19 00:41:45 the chick from craigslist calims the pre plus is unlocked Mar 19 00:41:53 im not buying it Mar 19 00:42:58 im assuming http://palm.cdnetworks.net/rom/preplus/p210r0d03142011/eudep210rod/webosdoctorp101ueu-wr.jar ? Mar 19 00:43:57 webosdoctorp101ewwatt-1.4.5.jar webosdoctorp101ueude-wr-2.1.0.jar Mar 19 00:44:17 i ran it jvava -jar the 2.1 and its up and running Mar 19 00:44:50 What do you want to do? Mar 19 00:44:55 You can find the links here: Mar 19 00:44:56 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions Mar 19 00:45:24 Aemy- when the metadoctor script first came out i never got an error .. Mar 19 00:45:52 this time i got this wrong meta-doctor error and told me to download it to downloads yet in downloads it the 2.1 doctor is there already Mar 19 00:45:54 kinda wierd Mar 19 00:46:07 its doctoring :D Mar 19 00:46:13 Are you sure it's the right file? Mar 19 00:46:19 yep Mar 19 00:46:43 webosdoctorp101ueude-wr-2.1.0.jar Mar 19 00:47:43 Is the MD5 = 03566ac546d72c59d1cdc1af5a4da920 ? Mar 19 00:48:02 Err, ed2c394171d19a4af9d9d42c670e9791 Mar 19 00:48:20 Wait, wait Mar 19 00:48:51 Meta doctor asks you "webosdoctorp101ueu-wr-2.1.0.jar" Mar 19 00:49:05 And you just told me you have "webosdoctorp101ueude-wr-2.1.0.jar" Mar 19 00:49:17 It's not the same file, notice the ueuDE Mar 19 00:49:27 joeb_ ? Mar 19 00:58:16 de sounds german Mar 19 00:58:48 joeb_ will not be able to understand his phone Mar 19 00:59:15 He has to figure out if he is using the right Doctor for his device Mar 19 01:00:20 * joeb_ was ashing dishes Mar 19 01:00:29 let me check md5 Mar 19 01:01:31 haeffb- when you run the script it does it for you ..i chose att sincei have att Mar 19 01:01:48 it downloads the neccessary files Mar 19 01:02:20 joeb@joeb:~/Palm_stuff/meta-doctor$ ./scripts/meta-att-preplus-2.1.0 Mar 19 01:03:31 W145_FILE="webosdoctorp101ewwatt-1.4.5.jar" Mar 19 01:03:31 W210_FILE="webosdoctorp101ueude-wr-2.1.0.jar Mar 19 01:04:51 anybody have a link to all ipkgs from internals?? Mar 19 01:05:38 what feed thegozt ? Mar 19 01:05:49 http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/ ? Mar 19 01:06:15 good question joeb_ : not sure. Mar 19 01:06:32 yeah that's the one!!!!! joeb_ thanks bro Mar 19 01:09:58 Aemy- or haeffb you around ? Mar 19 01:10:44 Yeah? Mar 19 01:11:46 one sec Mar 19 01:11:53 i just rmed the meat-doctor and starting over Mar 19 01:13:37 ok ok im about to run the meat-doctor script right .. i just did a nano scripts/meta-att-preplus-2.1.0 Mar 19 01:14:05 W210_FILE="webosdoctorp101ueude-wr-2.1.0.jar" W210_BUILD="preplus-p101ueude-wr-2.1.0 W210_MD5="ed2c394171d19a4af9d9d42c670e9791" Mar 19 01:14:19 so i don't see what is wrong Mar 19 01:14:35 But, what exactly are you trying to do? Why do you need meta-doctor? Mar 19 01:14:44 im trying to get to 2.1 Mar 19 01:15:20 Uhm, yeah, but what do you want to use meta-doctor for? Mar 19 01:15:20 i just bought another pre .. my old one broke .. my old system had the doctor but im running kde now Mar 19 01:15:40 ... Mar 19 01:15:44 the scirpt will get me to 2.1 Mar 19 01:15:59 Do you want to bypass activation or something? Mar 19 01:16:05 nope Mar 19 01:16:12 Because I don't really see why you would need it if you're just trying to update Mar 19 01:16:24 ok hold up Mar 19 01:16:24 Just get the webOS Doctor and use it Mar 19 01:16:41 your saying i just need to update now or something and not run the script .. thats not how i been doing it Mar 19 01:16:46 Aemy, he wants to put 2.1 on a AT&T Pre+ Mar 19 01:16:50 to go from 1.4.5 to 2.1 i use the metadoctor Mar 19 01:17:06 joeb_, what os is your desktop? Mar 19 01:17:11 scoutcamper: There's a special situation for these devices? No official upgrade? Mar 19 01:17:11 ubuntu Mar 19 01:17:28 p101una Mar 19 01:17:39 Aemy, yeah, no official update for any pre+ other than SFR Mar 19 01:18:00 joeb_, pastebin the wole command your running, includding where your running them from Mar 19 01:18:03 im beginning to hate 2.1 Mar 19 01:18:05 coo Mar 19 01:18:31 voice dialer pops up automatically for no reason Mar 19 01:18:45 interrupts my music Mar 19 01:18:59 scoutcamper- joeb@joeb:~/Palm_stuff/meta-doctor$ ./scripts/meta-att-preplus-2.1.0 Mar 19 01:19:02 easy command Mar 19 01:19:05 dials random people (due to voice dial being launced autmatically) Mar 19 01:19:22 scoutcamper: Ah okay, I didn't know that. I have an SFR Pre+ and I'm using the O2 ROM on it. Do you know if the SFR upgrade they released this week is different? Mar 19 01:19:45 Aemy- i've done this manytimes Mar 19 01:19:49 its just not working today Mar 19 01:20:23 scoutcamper- http://pastie.org/1688236 Mar 19 01:20:26 joeb_: Yeah, okay, I just tought there was a standard upgrade and you were trying to use the "difficult" way Mar 19 01:21:00 nop Mar 19 01:21:01 :P Mar 19 01:21:47 Aemy- in that case i would do my own meta-doctor i would modify the make file then do the whole make BUILD etc .. Mar 19 01:21:56 scoutcamper- its download 2.1 Mar 19 01:21:58 joeb_, can you make a 1.4.5 doctor the old-fashioned way? edit the makefile, just to confirm you have all the requirements satisfieed? Mar 19 01:22:06 sure Mar 19 01:23:49 let me know if it works Mar 19 01:23:58 rwhitby, ping? Mar 19 01:30:56 scoutcamper- i can't Mar 19 01:31:10 same error .. its like the git hub or somethign is just for 2.1 .. let me tell you what i did ok Mar 19 01:32:37 k Mar 19 01:32:38 go Mar 19 01:32:52 i did the git clone right .. i did a cd meta-doctor mkdir downlodas .. i did a wget 1.4.5 .jar file i renmaed the file to something-1.4.5.jar .. i then did a make DEVICE=preplus all-wr Mar 19 01:33:05 ok Mar 19 01:34:33 i get errors Mar 19 01:34:52 http://pastie.org/1688283 Mar 19 01:35:11 something is wrong with the github Mar 19 01:37:50 hello Mar 19 01:40:21 joeb_, are the mirrors down? Mar 19 01:40:37 joeb_, can you manually download the doctors? Mar 19 01:41:14 what's up scoutcamper? Mar 19 01:41:32 helping joeb_ diagnose meta-doctor Mar 19 01:41:48 what phone? Mar 19 01:41:53 metadoctor uses github? Mar 19 01:42:12 doesn't it use a git pull? Mar 19 01:42:39 halfhalo, no, i think joeb_ is refering to the mirrors that host the doctors Mar 19 01:46:33 I installed uberkernel a couple of days ago, and today my battery life seems to be FAR worse. I'm not overclocking. I've tried both the powersave and ondemand governors, with a min freq of 250 and max of 800, although I've now dropped the max to 500. Any ideas or recommendations on finding out why my battery performance is so poor today? Mar 19 01:46:40 Is this the right channel to discuss this in? Mar 19 01:47:14 yes correct channel, no ideas, rwhitby might know Mar 19 01:47:18 Dr. Battery Mar 19 01:47:24 found in preware Mar 19 01:47:39 I'll install it. Mar 19 01:48:19 i doubt that is the issue, but i soppose anything is possible Mar 19 01:48:38 Tene, guess, how many discharge/recharge cycles does it have on it? Mar 19 01:48:49 then check the "health" screen Mar 19 01:49:10 (your battery) Mar 19 01:50:24 scoutcamper: New battery since last june. I plug it in to charge most nights. It rarely drops below maybe 40% on a normal day. Mar 19 01:50:48 dr battery says 95% health. Mar 19 01:50:54 k Mar 19 01:51:01 thats not the issue Mar 19 01:51:12 its got to be kernel related Mar 19 01:51:19 halfhalo, ideas? Mar 19 01:51:58 govnah? Mar 19 01:52:21 Loudergood: What would you like to know from govnah? Mar 19 01:52:39 load is good to know, Mar 19 01:52:50 and current Mar 19 01:54:03 load is about 1. Current is varying rapidly between positive and negative. I suppose that's related to currently charging it? Mar 19 01:54:21 is it plugged in right now? Mar 19 01:54:24 how are you charging it? Mar 19 01:54:35 that's high for the load too Mar 19 01:54:42 that'll eat your battery Mar 19 01:55:19 Yes. I'm charging it over USB from my laptop. I had to bail on a shopping trip with my girlfriend to go charge my phone in the car because battery % dropped from about 19 down to 0 over about 20 minutes, and I'm on-call right now. Mar 19 01:55:38 I'm charging on a touchstone right now, and it's charging at about 135mA Mar 19 01:56:18 it seems to be hovering between 100 and 200 ish Mar 19 01:56:27 Tene: can you get into the phones shell? Mar 19 01:56:32 halfhalo: Yes. Mar 19 01:56:48 then lets see what top says is running Mar 19 01:56:55 yeah good call Mar 19 01:57:18 ... are these load numbers backwards? Mar 19 01:57:30 backwards from what you get from unix 'uptime'? Mar 19 01:58:03 Ah, no, nevermind. The 15 min load is changing more-rapidly than I'm used to. Mar 19 01:58:13 It's headed downward from 5-ish. Mar 19 01:58:21 wow Mar 19 01:58:37 yea, that is NOT normal Mar 19 01:58:39 right now top shows lunasysmgr using a lot of cpu... let's close govnah Mar 19 01:58:49 mine are right around 0.4 with govnah open Mar 19 01:58:54 scoutcamper- so what is the problem .. you said something about kernel ? Mar 19 01:59:03 any patches installed? Mar 19 01:59:15 joeb_, he installed uberkernel and now battery life is tanking Mar 19 01:59:29 oh Mar 19 01:59:37 scoutcamper- any ideas bout my meta-doctor issue ? Mar 19 02:00:15 joeb_, unless the mirrors are down idk, i would check but my computer is in windows right now Mar 19 02:01:09 Immediately after closing govnah, preware, and the messaging app, lunasysmgr kept using like 70% cpu for about a minute, but since then nothing has shown up in top with more than about 1% (lunasysmgr a few times) Mar 19 02:01:40 lunasysmgr = all webos apps Mar 19 02:01:53 but yes, govnah is quite intensive Mar 19 02:02:08 just spiked to 40% again, and no apps are open right now. Mar 19 02:02:36 load is down to 0.48 now Mar 19 02:02:48 and still dropping Mar 19 02:03:04 no apps are open != no apps are running Mar 19 02:03:07 any patches? Mar 19 02:03:22 oil: Ah, right. Mar 19 02:03:46 so I met a pre2 at the verizon store today Mar 19 02:03:52 How can I get a list of webos apps open? Mar 19 02:03:56 nice RagingMind Mar 19 02:03:58 they had it in with the "feature phones" Mar 19 02:04:00 Tene: jstop Mar 19 02:04:10 but they're not quantified like top does Mar 19 02:04:13 and... I did not like the screen Mar 19 02:04:18 it only displays dom nodes and service handles Mar 19 02:04:29 it's ugly from the front... my pre+ is much nicer looking Mar 19 02:05:16 lol Mar 19 02:05:30 yes but the glass is pretty Mar 19 02:06:08 the glass is nice, but there's an edge around it that doesn't look nice Mar 19 02:06:38 and I'm not sure how to describe it... the "top" screen part of the slider looks too thick Mar 19 02:07:04 Hmm. systemui phone messaging launcher calendar email contacts browser Mar 19 02:07:10 with 'phone' listed several times Mar 19 02:07:30 true...still prettier than an android rectangle though Mar 19 02:08:55 it's just as thick as the Pre+, but the rounded edges of the Pre+ make it alright Mar 19 02:09:06 whats diff from meta-wr-pre-2.1.0 Mar 19 02:09:06 and meta-att-preplus-2.1.0 Mar 19 02:09:08 with the flat top on the Pre2... it looks chunky Mar 19 02:09:14 aw Mar 19 02:09:19 its a pre not a preplus Mar 19 02:09:20 nvm Mar 19 02:10:22 raster: Interesting to see you here. Is someone doing e-related work for webos, or here for unrelated reasons? Mar 19 02:12:16 Tene: well there is an sdl and sdl-gl/es engine for evas Mar 19 02:12:20 so it works on webos Mar 19 02:12:25 xcomp_ did that Mar 19 02:12:29 Nice. Mar 19 02:13:25 I have been getting a ton of sms today, as things were falling over at work, but that's never caused battery loss like this before. Mar 19 02:17:40 patches? Mar 19 02:17:48 Ah, right, lemme check. Mar 19 02:20:43 scoutcamper- something wierd happend Mar 19 02:20:50 hay joeb_ Mar 19 02:21:06 did you ever get the meta working? Mar 19 02:21:31 hey PatrickC_Pre scoutcamper normall i do make DEVICE=preplus all-wr .. i did make DEVICE=preplus all-att and it worked Mar 19 02:21:38 Loudergood: no new patches, but I do have a few installed since a while back. character count in messaging app, hide * app, notification repeat, power button to end calls, really silent ringer switch mute, sms tone per contact Mar 19 02:22:15 tene: what did Dr. Battery say? Mar 19 02:22:30 PatrickC_Pre: 95% health Mar 19 02:22:37 that's good Mar 19 02:25:22 how long does a battery last you on a full charge? Mar 19 02:26:20 I'm still here Mar 19 02:26:27 updating the other pre's wirc Mar 19 02:26:49 PatrickC_Pre1: I can usually go two days just fine on a full charge. Mar 19 02:27:14 and that's bad? Mar 19 02:27:22 I get about 8 hrs Mar 19 02:27:52 PatrickC_Pre1: My battery life is extremely bad as of today; the only recent change is installing ubekernel two days ago Mar 19 02:28:12 hmm Mar 19 02:28:21 did you try uninstalling uberkernel? Mar 19 02:28:41 phone was fully charged at 10 AM, and dead at about 7 PM, so that's 9 hours Mar 19 02:28:56 that's not *too* bad Mar 19 02:29:00 which phone? Mar 19 02:29:07 sprint pre Mar 19 02:29:15 2.1? Mar 19 02:29:33 No. Stock OS. Mar 19 02:29:39 weird Mar 19 02:31:45 I figure once the battery is back up a bit I'll try power-cycling, just as an attempt at a quick fix, and if it stays like this, I'll be switching back to stock kernel, I think. Mar 19 02:31:50 anyone feel like walking me thru to 2.1 its just not working Mar 19 02:31:58 Just trying to be a good user :) Mar 19 02:32:27 read the wiki? Mar 19 02:32:39 "D Mar 19 02:32:56 what desktop OS? Mar 19 02:33:03 ubuntu Mar 19 02:33:16 joeb_: You'll get much more useful responses if you explain what you've tried, what you're currently doing, what specific behaviour you're seeing, and how it differs from what you expect. Mar 19 02:33:28 Tene- you jsut alked in .. i been at this for about 1 hour Mar 19 02:33:40 Tene- i probably had 2.1 on your phone way before you did Mar 19 02:33:49 s/your/my/ Mar 19 02:33:49 what's goin wrong Mar 19 02:33:50 joeb_ meant: Tene- i probably had 2.1 on my phone way before you did Mar 19 02:33:59 its the error im getting Mar 19 02:34:12 http://pastie.org/1688283 Mar 19 02:34:31 can you get a longer clip than that? Mar 19 02:34:48 if im doing a ./scripts/att-preplus-2.1.0 it downloads but i still get the error Mar 19 02:35:08 hold on .. let me start from scratch iw ill paste bin it Mar 19 02:35:09 joeb_: Ah, I didn't see that. Sorry. :) Mar 19 02:35:32 joeb_: I don't have 2.1 on my phone, so... yes, you definitely did have it first. Mar 19 02:35:42 Greetings... Mar 19 02:36:19 I'm now trying to 2.1 my plus in linux and having java issues. Mar 19 02:37:16 egadgetguy, it is reccomended to run the completed webos-doctor in mac or windows as java support for linux sucks Mar 19 02:38:31 REallY@? Yesterday I was told that I should stop trying to do it in Win7 and just use Linux! Mar 19 02:39:12 "to run the completed webos-doctor" Mar 19 02:39:31 ok Mar 19 02:39:32 scoutcamper: really? I've never had any issues, using either sun java or openjdk java Mar 19 02:39:59 here is full error any help is appreciated http://pastie.org/1688399 Mar 19 02:40:03 I am unable to run webOS doctor or meta-doctor, or install the novacom installer... Mar 19 02:40:11 in Linux Mar 19 02:40:19 egadgetguy, build the doctor in ubuntu, then copy the completed .jar to windows or mac Mar 19 02:40:35 distro? Mar 19 02:40:46 Loudergood, i have had doctors crash mid-doctor on my linux box Mar 19 02:41:46 rwhitby-pre- you around to see whats going on ? Mar 19 02:41:49 I was able to build the doctor in Win but I couldn't run it successfully. Well it ran a couple of times. but I am trying it on phone #3 and the error is "Can't reset the phone Mar 19 02:42:03 in Linux, the doctor won't start. Mar 19 02:43:00 ubuntu 10.10 Mar 19 02:43:13 intalled via wubi Mar 19 02:43:33 tried running it via command line? Mar 19 02:43:47 um.. how else? Mar 19 02:44:06 i noticed there are to 2.1 version on the meta-doctor website Mar 19 02:44:13 there's always peopel who do it via gui Mar 19 02:44:15 version 2.1.0 http://palm.cdnetworks.net/rom/preplus/p210r0d02212011/eudep210rod/webosdoctorp101ueude-wr.jar Mar 19 02:44:15 version 2.1.0 http://palm.cdnetworks.net/rom/preplus/p210r0d03142011/eudep210rod/webosdoctorp101ueu-wr.jar Mar 19 02:44:17 people Mar 19 02:44:17 egadgetguy, copy the built *.jar to a mac or windows pc! Mar 19 02:44:31 1 is ueude-wr.jar and the other is ueu-wr.jaar Mar 19 02:44:36 s/jaar/jar/ Mar 19 02:44:36 joeb_ meant: 1 is ueude-wr.jar and the other is ueu-wr.jar Mar 19 02:44:58 what kind of phone are you trying to flash joeb_ ? Mar 19 02:45:07 pre plus att Mar 19 02:45:12 its very easy but today im having issues Mar 19 02:46:15 joeb_, try doing a new git-pull? Mar 19 02:46:23 wow... SDK 2.1 Mar 19 02:46:40 scoutcamper- i keep rm -rfing meta-doctor directory and then running the git clone commnad Mar 19 02:46:50 @scoutcamper. I started this adventure in Win7pro and I kept getting error when running the doctor file after it detected the phone it would fail. Even tried recovery mode. Mar 19 02:47:05 ok Mar 19 02:47:10 idk then Mar 19 02:48:27 how do I fix java in U? Mar 19 02:50:06 scoutcamper- i can make a 1.4.5 meta-doctor now Mar 19 02:50:16 you doing java -jar doctor.jar right? Mar 19 02:50:42 you can also try installing sun java if you really have to Mar 19 02:50:49 i have to do a make DEVICE=preplus all-att Mar 19 02:51:13 hmmm - just succeeded with novacom Mar 19 02:51:59 egadgetguy, with windows or linux? Mar 19 02:52:59 linux Mar 19 02:53:14 installing the driver Mar 19 02:59:19 ok - so I'm at the point that I'm waiting for the verizon doctor to load... Mar 19 02:59:26 download **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Mar 19 02:59:56 2011