**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Mar 23 02:59:57 2011 Mar 23 03:43:49 hello all Mar 23 06:04:29 late Mar 23 06:22:46 So, quick question. I might be a bit out of the loop, but I used the meta-doctor to create a Sprint 2.1 for my frankensprintpreplus ... and when i signed into my palm profile, it now says 2.1.0 as my webos version .. when did that happen? With the 2.1 SDK? Mar 23 06:24:29 nope, a while before that. Mar 23 06:24:52 Aah, cool. That's interesting that they finally allowed that to happen. :) Mar 23 06:43:25 ipkg.preware.org returns a text/plain mime type for packages :( Mar 23 06:44:34 RagingMind: yep, you're supposed to use Preware to install them, not a browser ;) Mar 23 06:45:32 they still aren't text files Mar 23 06:48:20 blah... my replacement pre needs to be replaced Mar 23 06:48:34 I only get wifi if I'm within 6 feet of my router :( Mar 23 09:40:58 hi everyone Mar 23 09:42:04 i know maybe it is boring question but there is any info about android port for palm pre(+) Mar 23 09:45:02 palm pre plus is really good hardware (there is no similar device for android), but android is better in my opinion... Mar 23 09:45:40 no Mar 23 15:09:29 the phones that we activate over wifi and make/use a palm profile for will receive system updates, correct? Mar 23 15:23:57 PatrickC_Pre2: I think the general rule is, if they show up in your palm profile on the site with a version number other than 9.9.9, then OTA updates should work for them Mar 23 15:24:09 ok Mar 23 15:24:17 I was wondering about my dev pre2 Mar 23 15:24:51 yeah, unlocked dev pre2's purchased direct from HP do get OTA (and probably quicker than most of the carrier versions) Mar 23 15:25:11 well, it wasn't purchased... Mar 23 15:25:17 dev device lol Mar 23 15:25:20 PatrickC_Pre2: well, same diff Mar 23 15:25:45 I know lol Mar 23 15:26:44 PatrickC_Pre2: my dev device is purchased (from back when they were only giving out discount coupons) -- granted, purchased from donations, but still Mar 23 15:27:03 lol Mar 23 16:34:53 Hey, anyone who can help me with WIDK? Mar 23 16:35:04 Hi Chuqui :) Mar 23 16:35:16 morning! Mar 23 16:40:20 hay chuqui Mar 23 16:40:30 hey, hello! Mar 23 16:40:57 how is engineering coming with the download number problem? Mar 23 16:51:57 hola Mar 23 16:52:17 ello Mar 23 17:19:56 probably better in here Mar 23 17:20:30 .... im borfed and wanted to test the older webos versions .. i came in with 1.4.5 Mar 23 17:20:35 i wanna test out 1.3x Mar 23 17:20:40 ddo i just download a doctor ? Mar 23 17:20:49 s/ddo/do/ Mar 23 17:20:50 joeb_ meant: do i just download a doctor ? Mar 23 17:25:49 joeb_, you can yes Mar 23 17:26:09 there are people that have doctored back to older versions when trouble shooting their profiles Mar 23 17:31:25 joeb_ test 2.1 :) Mar 23 17:31:35 im on 2.1 Mar 23 17:32:14 joeb_, what provider? Mar 23 17:32:20 ATT US Mar 23 17:32:28 i can't find anything on palms website Mar 23 17:32:35 http://www.palm.com/us/support/downloads/pre/recoverytool/deviceselector_en.html Mar 23 17:32:41 oh... the earliest for att is 1.4.2 Mar 23 17:32:58 boo Mar 23 17:33:08 for anything earlier you'd have to use metadoctor and disable the carrier check Mar 23 17:33:18 RagingMind you looking at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webos and teh history or the versions ? Mar 23 17:33:33 joeb_, I happen to know that one off hand actually Mar 23 17:33:54 joeb_, check the webos-internal's wiki page about webos doctor versions Mar 23 17:35:41 RagingMind isn't bell or o2 i can use those right ? Mar 23 17:36:08 all there pre pluses start at 1.4.1 Mar 23 17:36:25 if you want something earlier I'd suggest reading up on metadoc and checking it's options Mar 23 17:36:47 the verizon pre started on 1.3.(something) but is obviously cdma.. Mar 23 17:36:50 RagingMind you talking about he makefile and teh opions in thee ? Mar 23 17:36:55 yeah Mar 23 17:37:07 s/he/the/ Mar 23 17:37:08 joeb_ meant: RagingMind you talking about the makefile and teh opions in thee ? Mar 23 17:37:29 if you want something earlier than 1.4.2 on your pre I'd suggest waiting for someone who's a bit more familiar with metadoc to ask them Mar 23 17:37:50 yea Mar 23 17:38:03 im gonna have to see the diff from 1.4.1 and 1.4.5 Mar 23 17:52:58 ./media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications < -- is this all preware apps are ? Mar 23 17:58:36 whose alive ? Mar 23 17:58:43 is o2 sim card based ? Mar 23 17:58:51 i know verizon / sprint / are non sim Mar 23 18:10:37 arggh Mar 23 18:10:51 o2 is gsm, so, sim based Mar 23 18:11:49 RagingMind question .. currently i dual boot linux and windows and i know its easy to make the doctor on linux .. currently im on windows cause im watching netflix .. but also i want to try 1.4.1 .. im downloading the 1.4.1 doctor from webos interlas can i just open teh doctor and uncheck the carrier check or should i compile it in linux and just run it there ? Mar 23 18:12:13 why do you want to try 1.4.1? c_c; Mar 23 18:12:20 just cause Mar 23 18:12:45 joeb_, if you're familiar with the doctor that may be possible, but I'd stick to using Meta-doc Mar 23 18:12:47 looking to see what was before 1.4.5 and 2.1 Mar 23 18:12:53 that's like punching yourself in the face "just cause" :I Mar 23 18:12:59 which can run on windows if you use cygwin Mar 23 18:13:19 yea but i rean cygwin and yea .. not worth it .. brb reboot in linux Mar 23 18:13:28 but most people that have been on here found it easier to set up an ubuntu VM Mar 23 18:17:13 hola Mar 23 18:17:31 si sinior Mar 23 18:18:08 grr... I can't get ##devemode# to pop up Mar 23 18:18:57 I wonder if that's my problem... Mar 23 18:18:58 ok Mar 23 18:19:01 git clone git://git.webos-internals.org/tools/meta-doctor.git Mar 23 18:19:08 what about it? Mar 23 18:19:11 that doctor is 2.1 and so on Mar 23 18:19:20 i need a lower one .. Mar 23 18:19:25 YUP. that was my problem, just took typing it out to see it Mar 23 18:19:27 * oil uses ubuntu vm Mar 23 18:19:34 * halfhalo uses paper Mar 23 18:19:54 RagingMind: are you on GSM? :P Mar 23 18:20:04 why do you need a lower one joeb_? Mar 23 18:20:09 joeb_: it's for everything, the scripts are only for 2.1 Mar 23 18:20:13 but the makefile will make anything Mar 23 18:20:17 SineOt, no... but recheck what I typed. I did it the same way on my phone Mar 23 18:20:21 I have it working now :) Mar 23 18:20:52 haha, you were trying devemode? XD Mar 23 18:20:53 I couldn't use ##DEVMODE# Mar 23 18:21:20 PatrickC_Pre2: probably because you're on a GSM device Mar 23 18:21:27 which is #*DEVMODE# Mar 23 18:21:28 yep Mar 23 18:21:29 SineOt, yep, and I'm kinda amazed that I managed to do it on the phone number pad AND the keyboard like that Mar 23 18:21:37 but I couldn't get to the dialer Mar 23 18:21:47 you touch the thing to make an emergency call Mar 23 18:21:55 wouldn't let me Mar 23 18:22:00 told me I had to insert a sim Mar 23 18:22:33 I have a sim... for vodaphone Mar 23 18:22:45 I have a sim too Mar 23 18:22:57 for my T-Mobile-@-Home Mar 23 18:23:07 any sim should work Mar 23 18:23:22 it'll just bitch at you about the SIM lock instead but you can get to the dailer from there Mar 23 18:23:30 SineOt: in the makefile i don't see anything for 1.4.1 Mar 23 18:23:40 but I just built a meta-doc and everything was a-ok Mar 23 18:24:05 aww... I don't remember my sim pin or if I saved it anywhere :( Mar 23 18:24:14 I still don't know why you want to try 1.4.1 Mar 23 18:24:16 sim pin? Mar 23 18:24:56 sineot: he is bored Mar 23 18:25:33 my vodaphone phone and sim require a pin when the phone is turned on... I think I remember it being printed on the box the sim came in, though I may have had to set one Mar 23 18:26:59 if you want to try 1.4.1, just use 1.4.5 and pretend that there aren't any PDK apps Mar 23 18:27:19 0_o Mar 23 18:28:00 i just did a cat MAKEFILE |gpre 1.4 .. there is only 1.4.5 in there Mar 23 18:29:17 meta-doc probably wasn't designed to go backwards... so it may not have the right stuff in it :( Mar 23 18:29:44 you *could* look at what the carrier check does to the doctor and to it manually :) Mar 23 18:30:31 hmm Mar 23 18:30:38 can git be set up on a pre? Mar 23 18:30:48 why would you want to? Mar 23 18:31:01 for fun lol Mar 23 18:31:13 make a meta-doctor on-device :) Mar 23 18:31:28 for the heck of it Mar 23 18:32:32 of all the things to do for the heck of it Mar 23 18:33:21 so, do you think its possible? Mar 23 18:34:56 anything is possible Mar 23 18:35:12 if you just believe Mar 23 18:35:12 is it worth the time, effort, and number of questions required to be answered? not in a million years :p Mar 23 18:37:16 just imagine sineot: Mar 23 18:37:31 being able to build a meta-doctor on-device Mar 23 18:37:46 it'd be pointless Mar 23 18:38:00 because you can't flash the device on-device Mar 23 18:38:11 and why not? Mar 23 18:38:13 lol Mar 23 18:45:40 you can try, but if it were to work at all it would almost assuredly brick your device Mar 23 18:46:13 scoutcamper: so its not good to try to do 1.4.1 ? Mar 23 18:46:21 PatrickC_Pre2: it'd be like dding your phone's filesystem with /dev/null Mar 23 18:46:36 * halfhalo has done that Mar 23 18:47:11 joeb_ I was responding to PatrickC Mar 23 18:47:17 oh Mar 23 18:54:52 can ou edit a .jar file ? Mar 23 18:54:57 or is that like a binary file ? Mar 23 18:55:13 you can open it with anything that can decompress a zip file Mar 23 18:55:16 i found it Mar 23 18:58:49 there probably is no point Mar 23 18:59:01 i can't edit a .jar .. well i can but it really won't do anything Mar 23 18:59:23 it's not a binary Mar 23 18:59:30 why, other than bored, do you want to run 1.4.1 so badly Mar 23 19:02:28 to see what teh diffrences where visually .. or what they had to offer Mar 23 19:02:34 many reasons Mar 23 19:03:24 also .. learn how to use meta-doctor more / how it works what i can do with it Mar 23 19:03:26 there aren't any visual differences :p Mar 23 19:03:32 oh the same ? Mar 23 19:03:44 webOS didn't really change visually at all through the entire 1.x line Mar 23 19:03:47 same as 1.4.5 Mar 23 19:03:49 yup Mar 23 19:04:03 and 1.4.5 was the same as 1.2.9 that shipped on Pixi Mar 23 19:04:30 there's some feature differences, sure, but between 1.4.1 and 1.4.5, the only real major change you'd notice is that 1.4.5 can run PDK apps from the catalog Mar 23 19:05:22 if you want to learn meta-doctor some more, build a 1.4.5 doctor with a custom boot logo Mar 23 19:13:14 bah Mar 23 19:13:17 to much work lol Mar 23 19:14:01 lol Mar 23 19:14:41 I'm thinking of taking on a *huge* task for an app Mar 23 19:14:49 to build a 1.4.5 doctor? :p Mar 23 19:14:53 that would benefit the whole community :) Mar 23 19:14:54 you change two lines in the make file! Mar 23 19:15:01 three if you're going to do a custom boot logo Mar 23 19:36:59 SineOt: I can think of some good ways to do on-device recovery, but it's kind of pointless Mar 23 19:37:07 not worth the effort Mar 23 19:37:20 yeah Mar 23 19:37:37 destinal: indestructible device. can flash itself with recovery ROM :) Mar 23 19:38:05 PatrickC_Pre2: but, really, to what point? Mar 23 19:38:07 what if you are stuck in the desert with only a phone needing a flash for company? Mar 23 19:38:34 sigh Mar 23 19:38:39 or you don't have computer access and the new OS came out by doctor only Mar 23 19:38:49 PatrickC_Pre2: getting hold of a computer of some kind is too hard in the unlikely even that your phone is screwed up? Mar 23 19:39:11 well.. that is solved later :p Mar 23 19:39:35 PatrickC_Pre2: I once mentioned something about the autoflashing Pre and Rod didn't like the idea :) Mar 23 19:39:56 ergh...flashing one partition of the same drive to another partition is bad mojo even on a PC Mar 23 19:40:03 halfhalo: you wouldn't have service and no way to charge it after you drained the battery, so why bother? Mar 23 19:40:11 heaven help me understand why I'd want to do it to a phone Mar 23 19:40:14 NuttyBunny: it really wouldn't be too hard, toss out a webos.tar onto the /media/internal and modify the init script to extract it on boot, and reboot Mar 23 19:40:36 I just don't see the point Mar 23 19:40:56 like the machines that have a hidden partition for recovery Mar 23 19:41:36 destinal, you are taking a page from other worlds... Mar 23 19:42:29 ka6sox-office: hmm, am I imitating something without thinking about it? Mar 23 19:42:49 honestly, it is useless with an already existng ecosystem of desktop based flashing stuff Mar 23 19:44:07 rwhitby: ping Mar 23 19:44:09 halfhalo: it's only really worthwhile in extremely rare scenarios IMO. yeah, if I was forced to travel extremely light or didn't have a computer except the library kiosk, I could see spending a bit of time on it, but since you can buy a netbook for a few hours of work... Mar 23 19:46:27 its one of those "why" "because I could" type of things, which is not. bad thing if you are motivated to do it for other reasons Mar 23 19:47:06 halfhalo: for me, the "because I can" stuff has to be really cool and novel. this isn't that exciting :) Mar 23 19:47:16 yeah Mar 23 19:47:18 same Mar 23 19:47:42 if someone else did it, it would be cool Mar 23 19:47:55 someone who really wants such a thing Mar 23 19:49:37 now, a custom OTA update type system for devices that can't OTA on their own,, that would be more interesting Mar 23 19:50:06 most of my cool/novel stuff are 5 minute projects Mar 23 19:51:59 halfhalo: that's because you're more sane than I am. I have way too many "cool" side projects going to actually finish any Mar 23 19:55:07 oh, trust me, so do i Mar 23 19:55:08 i honestly think the doctor on webos-interlas is only for 2.1 Mar 23 19:58:27 any one second that Mar 23 19:58:38 even if i put a 1.4.5 .jar into downlodas i get an error Mar 23 19:58:56 make[1]: *** [downloads/webosdoctorp101ueu-wr-2.1.0.jar] Error Mar 23 20:00:00 joeb_, you can't just put the jar file in and have it work Mar 23 20:00:16 you need to pass the right arguments to tell it what you want Mar 23 20:00:22 yes Mar 23 20:00:29 make DEVICE=preplus all-wr Mar 23 20:00:37 i alrady uncommented what i wanted in teh MAKEFILE Mar 23 20:00:42 hmm... Mar 23 20:01:48 i saw something on git Mar 23 20:02:14 which doctor? Mar 23 20:02:21 1.4.5 Mar 23 20:02:45 what is all-wr anyway ? Mar 23 20:03:54 world release Mar 23 20:04:35 its for almost all gsm phones not released in na iirc Mar 23 20:07:36 yea Mar 23 20:14:35 i think i fooled the doctor Mar 23 20:14:53 and it made the 1.4.5 doctor? Mar 23 20:14:58 yea Mar 23 20:15:10 cool Mar 23 20:15:17 downloaded whatever version ... renamed it to whaterever-1.4.5.jar Mar 23 20:15:24 then did a make DEVICE=preplus all-att Mar 23 20:15:35 its doing firmware right now Mar 23 20:15:40 if it bricks it bricks Mar 23 20:15:41 :D Mar 23 20:15:45 i can just go back to what i had Mar 23 20:30:09 PatrickC_Pre2: i got it Mar 23 20:30:18 it worked? Mar 23 20:30:22 the doctor finish running? Mar 23 20:30:34 the doctor only does 1.4.5 and 2.1 for my att .. so i downloaded 1.4.2 .jar and put it in dowlnoads .. i renamed it to 1.4.5 and it biult Mar 23 20:30:57 im currently in device info and it says palm webos 1.4.2 Mar 23 20:31:53 wow Mar 23 20:32:20 :P Mar 23 20:32:32 try 1.4.0 Mar 23 20:33:01 cant Mar 23 20:33:12 all pre pluses i see on the doctor webiste start with 1.4.5 Mar 23 20:33:32 oo i see a 1.4.1 Mar 23 20:33:46 lol Mar 23 20:33:55 are you having fun joeb_ Mar 23 20:34:03 yea im about to go eat Mar 23 20:34:24 have fun Mar 23 20:40:10 oops Mar 23 20:40:32 its so wierd .. im renaming whatever .jar im download and building it and it has #webos-internals boot screen Mar 23 20:40:35 :D Mar 23 20:41:45 lol Mar 23 21:01:32 ew no point in 1.4.1 Mar 23 21:01:54 no point what? Mar 23 21:02:22 its boring Mar 23 21:02:33 litterally just like 1.4.5 Mar 23 21:02:41 that's what we said lol Mar 23 21:03:02 very sluggish Mar 23 21:03:59 yep Mar 23 21:18:05 sconix: ping? Mar 23 21:18:30 yep Mar 23 21:19:34 by any chance your messaging patches from yesterday incorporated per-account login?? Mar 23 21:19:50 brb Mar 23 21:20:17 yes they have per-account login and per-account custom message setting Mar 23 21:20:53 but still have the ability to controll all accounts at once if wanted Mar 23 21:21:20 I guess dustin already uptated wiki for that part, but not sure Mar 23 21:22:00 where were we? Mar 23 21:22:19 hey sconix Mar 23 21:22:57 tell me Mar 23 21:23:22 messaging patch with per card conversations? ;o Mar 23 21:24:01 ah, I got disconnected, thanks sconix, some guy on facebook was asking about that Mar 23 21:24:01 it got nothing to do with prefs so cant add to prefs patch ;) but I have a patch coming that it will fit, but I need to finish MS 2.0 first Mar 23 21:25:00 so until that maybe someone could make a compatible version of the new card patch Mar 23 21:26:16 so, the problem was not with Greg's plugins, but with your patch? interesting ;) Mar 23 21:28:19 NuttyBunny: I dont know since I dont use the patch but someone said the patch would not install with mine so not sure is there some other problem with it Mar 23 21:29:10 Yeah, it's that someone was arguing that Greg's plugins broke his one card per convo patch Mar 23 21:31:15 well thats certain that its not the plugins since they dont modify system files, but afaik mine should not brake the patch neither its just that they dont install together due to the fact that they modify same files but who know maybe he meant that Mar 23 21:46:41 * bhuey was happy to know that his frankenpre was able to connect to Sprint customer service using *2 Mar 23 21:46:51 so I kow that it can make calls now Mar 23 21:46:59 good feeling Mar 23 21:54:47 destinal, thats the way the NC updates. Mar 23 22:06:04 im lost Mar 23 22:06:15 im trying to setuup ssh / openssh on my pre Mar 23 22:06:20 i installed openssh Mar 23 22:06:40 i need to get the pub key from my pre to my computer so i can ssh to it Mar 23 22:17:35 anyone around for ssh stuff ? Mar 23 22:30:38 http://en.m.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:OpenSSH?wasRedirected=true Mar 23 22:30:45 joeb_ ^ Mar 23 22:31:02 terminal dosen't work on 2.1 Mar 23 22:31:20 xterm/terminus Mar 23 22:31:26 hmm Mar 23 22:31:39 I used xterm today to do a wget Mar 23 22:31:53 (which I'm going to start using a lot more :)) Mar 23 22:32:13 then this should be easy the Mar 23 22:32:21 s/the/then/ Mar 23 22:32:21 joeb_ meant: thenn this should be easy the Mar 23 22:32:34 I guess it should :) Mar 23 22:32:41 once your done, tell me Mar 23 22:32:57 sweet Mar 23 22:33:00 I'm gonna try and set up ssh too later Mar 23 22:33:02 there is my xterm Mar 23 22:33:02 :D Mar 23 22:33:09 yep Mar 23 22:33:11 its nice Mar 23 22:33:34 didn't Loudergood tell you about xterm in #webos? lol Mar 23 22:33:51 go go xterm :D Mar 23 22:34:00 lol Mar 23 22:34:05 * dtzWill is very happy how much attention xterm is getting these days :D Mar 23 22:34:20 are you a contributer to xterm? Mar 23 22:34:45 PatrickC_Pre2, you could say that. Mar 23 22:35:00 hah Mar 23 22:35:12 ~lart halfhalo Mar 23 22:35:12 * infobot beats halfhalo to within 2.54cm of his life Mar 23 22:35:16 meanwhile ka6sox-office complains that people love his servers too much ;) Mar 23 22:35:17 can you tab complete ? Mar 23 22:35:28 * halfhalo goes and hides in a corner Mar 23 22:35:36 a *main* contributor :) Mar 23 22:35:54 PatrickC_Pre2, I do believe it was his baby. Mar 23 22:36:50 PatrickC_Pre2: is there tab completion Mar 23 22:37:17 PatrickC_Pre2: git logs are your friend, bro. Mar 23 22:37:23 not sure Mar 23 22:37:38 lol dtzWill Mar 23 22:37:38 PatrickC_Pre2: but yeah, it and xserver and misc supporting projects were all my babies last year (last time active dev was done on them) Mar 23 22:38:11 rwhitby updated them for the jail (technique for which i /think/ he discovered anyway) meaning it could all work on >= 1.4.5 Mar 23 22:38:34 mostly due to me really wanting to build something that had shared packages, envisioning things like other x apps that you could launch with a tap Mar 23 22:38:38 without duplicated all of xlib, etc Mar 23 22:38:40 rwhitby is amazing lol Mar 23 22:38:59 x apps being? Mar 23 22:39:09 ... Mar 23 22:39:15 uh well Mar 23 22:39:17 stuff that needs xorg to run Mar 23 22:39:22 * dtzWill nods Mar 23 22:39:33 we had staged everything from rdesktop to various window managers to pidgin Mar 23 22:39:43 just kinda ran out of time and a bit out of motivation O:) Mar 23 22:40:32 didn't they get OOO running using some sort of X? Mar 23 22:40:41 PatrickC_Pre2: if by 'they' you mean 'me', then yes. Mar 23 22:40:48 someone made a video, sure :) Mar 23 22:40:52 that was you Mar 23 22:40:53 hmm that was remarkably selfish of me, i'm sorry. Mar 23 22:40:58 * PatrickC_Pre2 high fives Mar 23 22:41:01 * dtzWill hides in corner Mar 23 22:41:06 lol Mar 23 22:41:11 was it hard/usable? Mar 23 22:41:37 nah that guy actually did some good work; it was just work that we had done previously and not written up. really not far to claim that on him; it really doesn't diminish his contribution. Mar 23 22:42:06 also what are semicolons and how do you use them, by dtzIlliterate Mar 23 22:42:24 PatrickC_Pre2: it was terribly slow and mostly unusable. see the video that's kicking around. Mar 23 22:42:35 I watched most of it Mar 23 22:42:38 abiword on the other hand worked nice enough that i'd call it usable iirc Mar 23 22:42:40 it looked really slow Mar 23 22:42:44 small things like some dialogs were hard to navigate, etc Mar 23 22:42:49 but launched quickly and was generally usable Mar 23 22:43:27 not hard to setup; build a chroot for some arm distro that makes you happy (debian being most popular) and install apps into it using that distro's pacakage amanger, and run it from within the chroot pointing at the X server Mar 23 22:43:37 /sounds/ complicated, but it's documented and generally isn't too bad. Mar 23 22:43:49 copying the iamge on the device's slow disk is the worst part O:) Mar 23 22:44:21 well, most things that aren't complicated for most, I turn into the *most* complicated thing :p Mar 23 22:44:29 just ask sugardave :D Mar 23 22:45:08 PatrickC, this is all extremely well'ly documented on the wiki Mar 23 22:45:16 hmm Mar 23 22:45:22 and on the P|C forums Mar 23 22:45:25 then I might not screw it up as bad lol Mar 23 22:45:44 * dtzWill nods, lots of good people wrote it up thoroughly. Mar 23 22:45:56 also the chroot, etc, and all that was pioneered by others Mar 23 22:46:07 in terms of the exact mechanisms used, and the writeups and generally verifying it works. Mar 23 22:51:30 thanks Mar 23 22:51:34 help with ssh Mar 23 22:51:37 I'll try to look it up on the wiki Mar 23 22:52:11 couldn't you make the abiword an installable package in preware? Mar 23 22:52:12 i just created id_rsa.pub on the pre and i cped it to /media/internal .. i then plugged it into the computer .. copied the .pub to .ssh/ in my home direcotry and now im trying to ssh to my pre and no go Mar 23 22:52:17 any idesa ? Mar 23 22:53:26 joeb_, the .pub is the public key that stays on your pre, you need the one thats just id_rsa to ssh to your pre Mar 23 22:53:40 oh ok Mar 23 22:54:32 pub key is for server, private key is for client Mar 23 22:55:00 aw Mar 23 22:57:30 Permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive) Mar 23 22:58:04 did you set the partition to rw? Mar 23 22:58:27 scouit should be Mar 23 22:58:30 oops Mar 23 22:58:35 Loudergood: it should be im just sshing to it Mar 23 22:58:44 i put the id_rsa onto my linux box Mar 23 22:59:36 sconix: ping Mar 23 22:59:44 bad permissions: ignore key: /home/joeb/.ssh/id_rsa Mar 23 22:59:49 0_o Mar 23 23:00:01 -rw-r--r-- 1 joeb joeb 1679 2011-03-23 15:53 id_rsa Mar 23 23:00:04 chmod 755 ? Mar 23 23:00:09 PatrickC_Pre2: feel free :). mostly it's annoying to stage all the dependent libs. but yes that kind of thing was the end goal. Mar 23 23:00:29 weird Mar 23 23:00:43 that is the most odd ipkg log I have ever seen Mar 23 23:01:48 http://pastebin.com/wCmKXjr3 Mar 23 23:02:21 ^^ is the weird ipkg log Mar 23 23:03:46 save restore doesn't think mobile hot spot is installed Mar 23 23:04:23 is MHS supported by save/restore? Mar 23 23:05:26 yup Mar 23 23:05:48 I use freeTether Mar 23 23:06:02 freeTether is nice :) Mar 23 23:06:04 thanks guys Mar 23 23:06:05 it *half* thinks it's there. it shows up in the list of things I can save, but when I try to save it, it says com.palm.blah.mobilehotspot is not installed Mar 23 23:06:22 anyone know what's up with that ipkg log? Mar 23 23:06:44 PatrickC_Pre2, I'm on a service where MHS is free... and the data used is counted separately from my regular data usage Mar 23 23:06:57 ah ok Mar 23 23:08:30 my service provider doesn't offer MHS for webos :'( Mar 23 23:09:47 on verizon it's completely free :) Mar 23 23:10:59 on Sprint, it isnt... Mar 23 23:13:54 scoutcamper: im getting errors Mar 23 23:13:54 ugh Mar 23 23:14:42 http://pastie.org/1706108 Mar 23 23:14:55 chmod 755 ? Mar 23 23:14:58 chmod 7555 ? Mar 23 23:16:14 PatrickC_Pre2: pong Mar 23 23:16:35 http://pastebin.com/wCmKXjr3 Mar 23 23:16:49 error from the Advanced Framework update Mar 23 23:18:20 it didn't make any sense to me Mar 23 23:18:27 nor it does for me :) Mar 23 23:18:34 you cant remove it or? Mar 23 23:18:42 I'll try to remove it Mar 23 23:18:58 trying now, if it errors, I'll paste it Mar 23 23:19:05 removed cleanly Mar 23 23:19:56 it thinks its already applied Mar 23 23:20:02 (installing it again) Mar 23 23:20:31 applie cleanly Mar 23 23:20:38 s/applie/aplied/ Mar 23 23:20:39 PatrickC_Pre2 meant: aplied cleanly Mar 23 23:20:47 its not working guys Mar 23 23:20:55 i think i need a passphrase Mar 23 23:20:57 PatrickC_Pre2: so it worked now? Mar 23 23:21:08 yep Mar 23 23:21:10 weird Mar 23 23:21:11 good Mar 23 23:21:22 how MS 2.x comin? Mar 23 23:21:32 there should not be updates to all patches any more, maybe individual bug fixes Mar 23 23:21:50 ah ok Mar 23 23:21:53 I included support for all languages now, hence the update to all Mar 23 23:21:59 so they are practically done Mar 23 23:22:05 for now Mar 23 23:22:21 I have couple small features in mind, but not that important that they can wait Mar 23 23:22:44 first will now finish MS 2.0 and then have couple other advanced patch ideas coming :) Mar 23 23:23:15 MS 2.0 is coming along nicely, all features are ready this week and next week will start killing bugs so maybe public beta after next week Mar 23 23:23:19 if no major problems arise Mar 23 23:28:29 guys what do i do Mar 23 23:28:32 this is getting irritating Mar 23 23:28:53 http://pastie.org/1706108 Mar 23 23:29:07 i even put a password for the key file Mar 23 23:29:38 it says the file permissions are incorrect Mar 23 23:30:13 you should run : chmod 600 /home/joeb/.ssh/id_rsa Mar 23 23:30:28 one sec Mar 23 23:30:59 that worked Mar 23 23:31:08 it did rw------ Mar 23 23:31:22 -rw------- 1 joeb joeb 1743 2011-03-23 16:23 id_rsa Mar 23 23:32:08 yes those files should be only accessible by owner, and that means that only owner has read/write permissions Mar 23 23:34:09 anyone using sftp ? Mar 23 23:34:16 I do Mar 23 23:34:28 ka6sox-office: are you on linux ? Mar 23 23:34:36 and OSX Mar 23 23:35:16 im trying to add sftp to nautilus Mar 23 23:35:24 Stupid question time... on 1.4.5, how can I tell what username/mail I'm logged in as into the Palm Profile? Mar 23 23:36:04 Backup app -> app menu Mar 23 23:36:13 -> palm profile Mar 23 23:36:35 Yeah but then it prompts for a password... Mar 23 23:36:51 And I'm not sure if its using my Pre 2 active one, and hence will wipe my new dev Mar 23 23:37:09 it will just tell you "incorrect pw" Mar 23 23:37:25 lemme double check before I tell you definatly Mar 23 23:37:49 ok... I'm keying in a false pw Mar 23 23:38:11 ok, on my pre2 it just tells me its a incorrect pw Mar 23 23:39:01 sorry, g2g Mar 23 23:39:07 interesting because my Pre 1 is just hanging at the "signing in" window Mar 23 23:39:07 but I hope it works Mar 23 23:39:13 ta Mar 23 23:42:39 PuffTheMagic, you do terminus? Mar 23 23:43:13 ya i started that Mar 23 23:43:19 trying to get back into it a little Mar 23 23:43:25 i know it shows up on pixi now Mar 23 23:43:31 but it was build for armv7 i realize Mar 23 23:43:38 so i need to rebuild it to work on all devices Mar 23 23:43:45 and i need to fix the postinst Mar 23 23:43:47 ya ya ya Mar 23 23:43:48 :D Mar 23 23:44:17 well... I think I already saw someone talk about the dual lines in jailusers on here, so I figured you knew about that :) Mar 23 23:44:24 yup Mar 23 23:44:35 what I *did* want to mention is a bug while it's running Mar 23 23:44:52 there are those too :D Mar 23 23:44:54 but go ahead Mar 23 23:45:17 if I type any one character and then backspace, the shell prompt disappears Mar 23 23:45:32 though I imagine people already noticed that Mar 23 23:45:39 it's a bit surprising when it happens Mar 23 23:45:40 ya its quirky Mar 23 23:45:52 RagingMind, are u familar with E17 Mar 23 23:46:24 I'm aware that it exists and I used to run enlightenment back when it was the default WM for GNOME, but that's about it Mar 23 23:46:41 well Terminus is actually webos port enterminus Mar 23 23:46:49 oh, and I know that the libraries are being used for nifty things like refrigerators Mar 23 23:47:02 which was a efl/evas/ecore based terminal Mar 23 23:47:04 for e17 Mar 23 23:47:09 but it was abandoned Mar 23 23:47:11 but i knew about it Mar 23 23:47:18 and since ecore with with sdl Mar 23 23:47:29 i figured it would be a easy way to get a terminal going in webos Mar 23 23:47:31 pure sdl Mar 23 23:47:41 i didnt most of it Mar 23 23:47:45 just "got it running" Mar 23 23:47:49 which is the state its in Mar 23 23:47:56 how many sdl terminals are out there? Mar 23 23:47:59 i need to get some others involved if its gonna be good Mar 23 23:48:02 not many Mar 23 23:49:19 http://linux.softpedia.com/get/Terminals/SDL-Terminal-37012.shtml Mar 23 23:49:34 if that is what i think it is Mar 23 23:49:45 it's just to add a terminal to an sdl app Mar 23 23:49:49 that requires vte Mar 23 23:49:51 I think Mar 23 23:49:56 which means u need like all of gnome to use it Mar 23 23:50:06 which is why i didnt use that one Mar 23 23:50:35 http://asmw.de/?p=213 Mar 23 23:51:33 ya someone has recently started on something new Mar 23 23:59:08 doesn't look like there are many opengl based terminals either Mar 23 23:59:20 * RagingMind continues poking internet Mar 24 00:09:31 RagingMind: we've looked at that SDL bit, it always seemed to be a library for making terminals rather than any actually implemented in it Mar 24 00:09:40 and not terminals so much as text boxes / text reflow etc Mar 24 00:10:04 Yeah... I was excited when I saw it *then* I started reading the description Mar 24 00:13:40 the asmw one looks like it hasn't been touched since december :( Mar 24 00:37:22 okay... new pre. time to see if I can stay connected Mar 24 00:40:03 and of course IRC is quiet now Mar 24 00:40:09 BOO Mar 24 00:40:13 hey RMind Mar 24 00:40:19 hehe Mar 24 00:40:38 we all love otters Mar 24 00:40:46 RMind: what pre ? Mar 24 00:43:03 * oil feels kind of "meh" about otters Mar 24 00:43:09 elvators we toll Mar 24 00:43:09 they do their thing, i do my thing Mar 24 00:43:18 s/elvators/elevators/ Mar 24 00:43:19 sugardave meant: elevators we toll Mar 24 00:43:32 hah, forgot about infobot Mar 24 00:45:22 yeah, but have you ever reall Mar 24 00:45:32 y seen their thing? Mar 24 00:48:24 wOS-I should adopt an otter for a mascot Mar 24 00:48:42 then no one could resist :) Mar 24 00:49:05 except oil... but he's just weird ;) Mar 24 00:49:15 hmm Mar 24 00:49:28 saucy otter for the US branch of the webOS Connect! movement? Mar 24 01:00:36 ... Mar 24 01:09:59 I stayed connected longer that time Mar 24 01:10:44 thats on the pre? Mar 24 01:11:06 yup Mar 24 01:12:39 can somebody give them there build-info Mar 24 01:12:43 i just need teh top part Mar 24 01:13:26 wow... the neo freerunner is ugly Mar 24 01:13:48 yup Mar 24 01:14:24 like seriously... how did anyone ever think they could sell that? Mar 24 01:14:58 there are some things that "open" like open source just doesn't work for, and aesthetics is one of them Mar 24 01:14:59 "open source" Mar 24 01:15:17 plot is another Mar 24 01:19:30 i can Mar 24 01:20:21 i can't find my /etc/palm-build Mar 24 01:20:59 RagingMind: you should have seen the GTA01 device *before* the FreeRunner. I have some of each sitting here on my desk :) Mar 24 01:21:03 pfft Mar 24 01:21:04 i found it Mar 24 01:21:27 rwhitby: or somebody can you give me the heading of you palm-build-info Mar 24 01:21:39 right above this line Mar 24 01:21:41 BUILDNAME=Nova-ATT-CastlePlus Mar 24 01:21:56 it should say 2.1 something Mar 24 01:24:42 meh Mar 24 01:29:09 everybyody sleep Mar 24 01:35:53 PRODUCT_VERSION_STRING=Palm webOS 1.0.2 Mar 24 01:35:59 i think that is it Mar 24 01:54:37 is it me or can somebody explain if i did this right Mar 24 01:55:34 i meta-doctored earlier right .. before i did this i did a copied my saved_restore file to my desktop .. my pre is back up and i put the save_restore back onto /media/internal where it was in teh first place .. i just downloaded save/restore form preware and now it says restore application data 0 Mar 24 01:55:40 what did i do wrong ? Mar 24 01:56:29 aw Mar 24 01:56:34 i know what i did wrong Mar 24 01:56:47 i see it Mar 24 02:28:03 rwhitby, I've seen some pictures, and I'm afraid of what I'd think when actually holding one Mar 24 02:28:21 mmk Mar 24 02:28:28 * joeb_ steps away slowly Mar 24 02:28:45 holding what? Mar 24 02:28:59 thats why i stepped away slowly Mar 24 02:29:09 * PatrickC_Pre2 runs the other direction Mar 24 02:30:06 I remember reading about them a while back, and I'm supportive of the idea of the project Mar 24 02:30:46 * PatrickC_Pre2 wonders if he dare ask Mar 24 02:41:36 Does preware work with webos 2.1? Mar 24 02:41:52 yyup Mar 24 02:42:10 awesome Mar 24 02:42:26 yes Mar 24 02:56:28 I'm not see a term or xterm package. Does anyone know where that is? (Am I just not seeing the search feature?) Mar 24 02:56:40 Just Type Mar 24 02:56:59 at the preware main screen Mar 24 02:59:06 GAH! it replaced the Preware! Mar 24 02:59:47 rwhitby: just type isn't finding anything in preware Mar 24 02:59:56 wondering if I need to configure something **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Mar 24 02:59:58 2011