**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Mar 25 02:59:57 2011 Mar 25 03:06:25 hey Mar 25 03:06:35 Mar 25 03:06:42 I'm making sprint 2.1 Mar 25 03:07:02 yay Mar 25 04:02:16 hello Mar 25 04:11:17 elpollodiablo1: does mplayer work on pre and pixi without the --disable-neon flag? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Mar 25 07:03:19 2011 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Mar 25 07:04:14 2011 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Mar 25 07:16:35 2011 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Mar 25 07:18:14 2011 Mar 25 07:32:57 re Mar 25 08:24:58 hi, yesterday, i have upload an app to the catalog, in the beta feed, but i have 2 question, 1 why i can only select the minimum webos version with webos 2.0.0 or 2.1.0? and the other problem, i have a palm pre minus with webos2 (doctored with modified version of the pre plus) but if i try to downlo the app the catalog told to me "no available for this webos version try to update" why ??? Mar 25 13:19:31 hi everyone Mar 25 13:19:53 is there somebody that could help me for a project ? Mar 25 15:50:08 .... and, of course, I arrived late to work ;) Mar 25 15:50:18 hi everyone Mar 25 18:31:50 question Mar 25 18:32:08 I might have an answer ;) Mar 25 18:32:20 lol Mar 25 18:32:27 im trying to pastie a preware error Mar 25 18:32:39 so you guys can see it Mar 25 18:32:55 and.. Mar 25 18:32:59 what's the problem Mar 25 18:33:01 it only lets me email it Mar 25 18:33:13 copy the email Mar 25 18:33:17 then paste it Mar 25 18:34:26 hold up Mar 25 18:34:38 i think there is something in /media/interla Mar 25 18:34:50 s/interla/internal/ Mar 25 18:34:50 joeb_ meant: i think there is something in /media/internal Mar 25 18:35:07 wha? Mar 25 18:35:12 s/wha/what/ Mar 25 18:35:13 PatrickC_Pre2 meant: what? Mar 25 18:35:19 yea there it is .. one sec let me get it over Mar 25 18:35:38 ok Mar 25 18:36:28 i preferred interla Mar 25 18:36:49 "no such file or location" Mar 25 18:37:00 lol Mar 25 18:37:22 http://pastie.org/1714603 Mar 25 18:37:42 any ideas ? Mar 25 18:38:26 email the developer? Mar 25 18:38:41 aw ok Mar 25 18:38:42 just that one install? Mar 25 18:38:45 just wondering if there was a quick fix Mar 25 18:39:03 undrwater not really .. i think if i try to install any other email patches it will do the same thing Mar 25 18:39:24 uninstall *all* email patches first Mar 25 18:39:27 then luna boot Mar 25 18:39:30 then try again Mar 25 18:39:39 yea Mar 25 18:39:48 but then i do that .. other email stuff won't work Mar 25 18:39:49 ie.. Mar 25 18:40:11 i install 1 email patch and it works .. i can install 2 others and they work .. all of a sudden any other email patch i get hunk errors Mar 25 18:40:29 email mega mix is the only one I use Mar 25 18:40:34 don't be so good looking Mar 25 18:40:48 undrwater what does that mean ? Mar 25 18:40:55 don't be a hunk Mar 25 18:40:56 that's impossible for me Mar 25 18:41:02 you won't get hunk errors :) Mar 25 18:41:18 i really like haveing move to folder .. show names instead of icons Mar 25 18:41:20 little stuff Mar 25 18:41:50 I don't think those 2 can be use together Mar 25 18:41:54 see Mar 25 18:42:05 why can't they be .. i never was told tehy can't be used together Mar 25 18:42:13 s/tehy/they/ Mar 25 18:42:15 joeb_ meant: why can't they be .. i never was told they can't be used together Mar 25 18:43:08 well, they both modify the bottom in some way Mar 25 18:43:29 true Mar 25 18:45:44 let me remove all email patches and put in mega mix Mar 25 18:46:04 mega mix is nice Mar 25 18:49:57 to bad restarting luna reboots phone Mar 25 18:50:12 how come? Mar 25 18:50:44 i don't know Mar 25 18:50:51 does yours ? Mar 25 18:51:10 yea Mar 25 18:51:15 I mean, why is it bad? Mar 25 18:51:47 just takes a while to come up .. its not bad just talking Mar 25 18:52:12 well, are you OCing? Mar 25 18:56:10 yes .. but when the pre is plugged in it drops down to 500mhz Mar 25 18:56:21 then unplug it? Mar 25 19:03:36 can you turn off animiation on the pre ? Mar 25 19:03:49 animations? Mar 25 19:04:12 yea .. i know cards come up the way they do but there anyway where you open themnd they just come up .. nothing fancy Mar 25 19:04:32 not sure Mar 25 19:04:48 aw somebody asked to http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/252202-disable-animations-better-performance.html Mar 25 19:07:49 psh. if you disable animations then why would you even want to use webOS? Mar 25 19:10:04 just try a faster animations patch, those cut steps out Mar 25 19:10:12 yea i have it installed already Mar 25 19:10:57 then just modify that patch to disable animations Mar 25 19:11:11 PatrickC_Pre2i don't know how to modify a patch Mar 25 19:11:25 it sounds easy PatrickC_Pre2 .. you ever modified a patch ? Mar 25 19:11:41 yes I have Mar 25 19:11:49 and then uploaded it ? Mar 25 19:12:00 I almost fixed the Advanced Menus Framework Mar 25 19:12:06 I only couldn't get one step done Mar 25 19:13:11 and yea, fix it then upload it Mar 25 19:13:14 if you want Mar 25 20:58:58 sconix: ping? Mar 25 20:59:07 yep Mar 25 20:59:25 question, about your messaging super patch Mar 25 20:59:34 do you have the account types fixed in some file? Mar 25 21:00:01 what do you mean fixed? Mar 25 21:00:19 yeah, stored somewhere Mar 25 21:00:26 in a .js file for example Mar 25 21:00:32 or you get them from a system call? Mar 25 21:01:12 no all info is got from the databases Mar 25 21:01:53 what info do you get? I need to know what I'm missing :) Mar 25 21:02:14 first explain what info you mean? :) Mar 25 21:02:43 I managed to compile msn-pecan for Greg's framework, and I can add an account, but I can't see the account when I tap the status icon Mar 25 21:03:09 so, I must be missing something, the plugin is not showing something to libpurple.. go figure Mar 25 21:03:47 at least with the other accounts as well the database entry did not get added evrytime, at once I needed to remove the account and re-add it Mar 25 21:04:17 mmmm... I'll remove it Mar 25 21:04:24 the entry is not shown if the account does not have an entry in imloginstate:1 database Mar 25 21:04:50 dtzWill: have you considered moving vba to a hybrid app? Mar 25 21:04:55 which should get created when the account signs in the first time i.e. when added in the accounts app Mar 25 21:05:21 dtzWill: I'd do the mojo for you free Mar 25 21:05:41 if you wanted of course :) Mar 25 21:06:37 sconix: yes, definitely I did something wrong, after I deleted all the msg accounts, I do get the status icon, but if I select Available I get no response whatsoever Mar 25 21:08:42 mmm... back to the drawing board... :( thanks Mar 25 21:09:05 what the patch does is that it only changes the availability state of that account in that loginstate:1 database (can be checked with impostah for example) Mar 25 21:09:21 other than that its WebOS stuff that should pick up on that state change and start login process Mar 25 23:00:11 sup Mar 25 23:08:14 hey Mar 25 23:12:45 hello Mar 25 23:13:25 hi Mar 25 23:14:35 jack87: ping Mar 25 23:14:45 pong Mar 25 23:14:47 ah Mar 25 23:14:49 sorry Mar 25 23:14:54 lol Mar 25 23:15:16 I *think* I may have fixed my ubuntu problem... Mar 25 23:15:30 I did!! yay Mar 25 23:15:46 xubuntu booted nicely, and is happy!! Mar 25 23:15:47 :) Mar 25 23:18:06 nuttybunny: you run ubuntu, right? Mar 25 23:18:15 yup, 10.10 Mar 25 23:26:08 me too, even if I break it all the time Mar 25 23:26:42 * Loudergood satisifies his versionitis with linux Mar 25 23:27:10 * PatrickC_Pre2 just booted linux Mar 25 23:36:45 FAGGOTRY FAGGOTRY FAGGOTRY Mar 25 23:39:12 um...that wan't pretty Mar 25 23:41:34 wow. Mar 25 23:57:18 what in the world was up with dumbledore_? Mar 26 00:03:20 rwhitby, could you take a look at a package for me? Having issues with getting the service to run. http://gitorious.org/mgschu/dummy/blobs/raw/95961f7fbfffc33066f79886287df390bd7f73c0/com.mgschu.dummy.srv_1.0.1_all.ipk Mar 26 00:03:53 what does the package do? Mar 26 00:04:03 on-device ipk fetcher Mar 26 00:04:24 fetch from where? Mar 26 00:04:33 ls2 files should all be in place, but it tells me "not permitted to send to com.mgschu.dummy.srv" Mar 26 00:04:57 it creates a blank ipk on device and installs it, then launches the update service to update to the real version Mar 26 00:07:54 is that exploiting some vulnerability in the app catalog? Mar 26 00:08:09 sort of Mar 26 00:08:21 same way that pc version of ipk-fetcher did Mar 26 00:08:48 I see. So it works for free apps and bypasses geo-restrictions on those. Mar 26 00:08:50 It doesn't help with paid apps though, no way to get those abroad Mar 26 00:08:56 yes Mar 26 00:19:25 rwhitby: hard to decide whether to call it a vulnerability or not. Mar 26 00:20:01 at any rate, same thing as ipk fetcher, seems like a positive thing Mar 26 00:20:07 destinal: a harmless vulnerability. unless you like georestrict? Mar 26 00:21:03 mgschu: yeah, hopefully they'll totally get rid of geo restrictions soon, for now, having something like this seems very good for those people suffering from the lack of app availability around the world Mar 26 00:21:50 destinal: I'm just waiting for them to tell us it'll change "in the coming months" Mar 26 00:21:53 geo restrictions should like uh die Mar 26 00:21:55 and stuff Mar 26 00:22:02 we haven't heard that in far too long Mar 26 00:22:29 mgschu: how was this packaged? Mar 26 00:22:48 sh script, it's in the root of the git Mar 26 00:23:04 I've also tried Jay Canuck's Packager but to the same effect Mar 26 00:23:16 palm-package will complain that you can't have the service be the same id as the app. I've told that to Jason too. Mar 26 00:23:29 service has be be a subdomain of the app domain. Mar 26 00:23:49 I'll ditch the srv off the app then Mar 26 00:25:20 My approach is usually to comply with any packaging restrictions that palm-package has, since then you're less likely to come across subtle incompatibilities. Jason unfortunately doesn't subscribe to that philosophy. Mar 26 00:27:06 How can I get palm-package to package the service? without an appinfo.json it doesn't package, and with it installs to /applications/ Mar 26 00:27:39 mgschu: the 2.1 SDK has details of how to package services Mar 26 00:30:25 that'd be the first thing I'd try, anyway. Mar 26 00:37:47 rwhity: Is the documentation with the SDK? Can find palm-package and a sample service but no documentation Mar 26 00:38:05 mgschu, it's on the download page for the SDK Mar 26 00:38:08 it's separate Mar 26 00:39:19 iso based mounting may have to wait until 3.0 Mar 26 00:39:59 Error454, why? Mar 26 00:40:40 is the latest update of wIRC borked for everybody? Mar 26 00:40:50 mine just sits at "Waiting for plugin" now Mar 26 00:41:06 wgreenhouse: reinstall Mar 26 00:41:27 halfhalo: all right, I'll see how it goes Mar 26 00:41:27 ka6sox-work: The gadget driver that provides this functionality is quite down-revved in the stock kernel. The latest version that is backportable isn't much better, only linux hosts can see the ISO and you can't boot off it. Mar 26 00:41:44 I sometimes get that when I install an update while wirc is running Mar 26 00:43:37 Error454, so you were attempting to hook up a ISO disk drive external or something in the /media/internal? Mar 26 00:44:11 ka6sox-work: I was allowing the Pre to mount an ISO in /media/internal and present that as ISO9660 to the host Mar 26 00:44:43 ka6sox-work: So I had an ubuntu iso sitting in /media/internal and wanted to present it Mar 26 00:44:48 Error454, its probably not in /proc/filesystems Mar 26 00:45:06 or is that the change you made? Mar 26 00:45:32 ka6sox-work: isoFS isn't and that is easy to include, just having isoFS doesn't allow you to present that mounted filesystem over the USB as a cd-rom Mar 26 00:45:50 ka6sox-work: I was working on the driver that allows you to do that Mar 26 00:46:27 okay so you want to be able to loop mount a iso that is located in the /media/internal vfat partition? Mar 26 00:46:45 and then make that visible to the host. Mar 26 00:46:55 ka6sox-work: And then present that over USB as if the Pre is a cd-rom drive Mar 26 00:47:08 interesting... Mar 26 00:48:08 I can already present a disk based image, just can't present it as a cd-rom device. This support is baked into the mass storage drivers in recent kernels but you end up back-porting the entire kernel to get this 1 piece of functionality. Mar 26 00:48:10 Error454, I haven't looked at the code that allows things to be seen over the gadget. Mar 26 00:49:07 ka6sox-work: I've been looking at it for a few months in my spare time, the learning curve for me was quite steep since I didn't know how usb drivers worked prior to my hacking Mar 26 00:49:11 but I'll take your word that a 2.6.24 probably is too old for such a thing. Mar 26 00:49:53 yeah, I back-ported something from 2.6.28 but it works poorly - still this was 2009 so things have improved a lot Mar 26 00:50:21 I guess I'll have to shelve this piece of functionality for now Mar 26 00:51:05 On another note, why hasn't anyone taken a serious stab at getting a vlc equivalent on webos? I threw together a quick compile of ffplay last night and threw it in a jail-free service and it seems to work pretty well Mar 26 00:51:09 probably but it is intriguing... Mar 26 00:51:37 someone for mplayer working on the pre did they not? Mar 26 00:51:39 has ffmpeg been ported to work on omap3 without neon support? Mar 26 00:51:42 it is, maybe someone out there has a better use-case. For me it was mostly novelty. Mar 26 00:51:59 I don't think so, my cpu ran pretty high Mar 26 00:52:27 I'm decoding on CPU but still, it opens up a whole ton of codecs that the pre doesn't have Mar 26 00:52:36 For flash videos and low rez stuff, it runs fine Mar 26 00:52:41 Error454: just saw your blog entry on the xbox360 mass storage stuff. awesome. and uber kernel ftw :) Mar 26 00:52:58 destinal: uber kernel ftw indeed Mar 26 00:53:04 right I would suspect it would...but for higher res stuff running without neon support would be "intense" Mar 26 00:53:55 ka6sox-work: Yeah, I tried some 720p stuff and it was a series of stills as expected. Still I'd like to dig in and learn about how the hardware accelerated support gets thrown in. Mar 26 00:55:02 the whole gles/opencl thing is a can of worms I'd rather not deal with. Mar 26 00:56:13 so what about using the DSP to accelerate video? Mar 26 00:56:50 rwhitby: is there a reason for compiling mplayer with the --disable-neon flag? Mar 26 00:56:53 TBH I know almost nothing about how one would do that.. Mar 26 00:56:55 It sounds nice, but I know very little about DSP programming. Mar 26 00:57:34 Error454, its a black art. Mar 26 00:57:54 I know just a little about some codecs and how they pack the data but don't have it connected to how codec gets hardware accelerated. What is the codec running on? GPU? Mar 26 00:58:37 usually there are bits of it there. Mar 26 00:58:52 I dunno what implementation that HPalm chose Mar 26 00:59:25 elpollodiablo1: does mplayer work on the Pre and Pixi with neon enabled? Mar 26 00:59:39 it will, of course, be different for pixi and pre. Mar 26 01:00:53 we would have to see the package flags to know. Mar 26 01:00:57 rwhitby: it should, ffmpeg is compiled on WebOS2.0 with neon enabled Mar 26 01:01:03 I didn't disable-neon when I built ffmpeg Mar 26 01:01:20 ka6sox-work: shame that the build in video players are closed source.. would be interesting to see how they're doing what they do Mar 26 01:01:29 elpollodiablo1: ok, give it a try and let us know how it goes. Mar 26 01:01:53 destinal, ya. one of the things however that sets WebOS apart though. Mar 26 01:01:57 better video. Mar 26 01:02:44 elpollodiablo1: Didn't we have a thread about this on the palm forums? Mar 26 01:02:55 hold on Mar 26 01:03:09 https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=8505 Mar 26 01:03:18 yes we did back in the day. I just didnt have a 2.0 to test it on Mar 26 01:04:17 I would love to see better vidoeo support, because webos pales in comparison to my epics video support unfortunately Mar 26 01:05:29 it might help a little but not as much as it running through DSP Mar 26 01:06:37 I don't need to play HD video on my phone, I just want to play SD content, for that I don't need acceleration. Mar 26 01:09:41 I think having the option to play something unaccelerated is better than not being able to play it at all Mar 26 01:10:38 Sometimes I'll queue up a bunch of youtube videos using youtube-dl, I could throw those on the Pre and watch them during my daily transit Mar 26 01:24:07 rwhitby: where is the mplayer code, patch and make instructions. I cant seem to find them on git.webos-internals.org Mar 26 01:24:19 elpollodiablo1: in the WIDK Mar 26 01:24:57 http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=preware/cross-compile.git;a=tree;f=packages/media/mplayer;h=1927db1a2cad5919592d26ba99b35c6e0adfd1db;hb=HEAD Mar 26 01:26:02 thanks I knew I was looking through it before, just couldnt seem to located it. Mar 26 01:31:20 adora: are you the adora(Lisa Brewster) from Palm Developer Relations? Mar 26 01:35:35 rwhitby: palm-package works for me now, thanks. Next I need to use a postinst script to allow me to installnoverify Mar 26 01:37:01 Hey, odd question, what do you folks where to work? Shorts/T-shirt or slacks/button-up shirt? Mar 26 01:37:08 ^wear Mar 26 01:37:32 Error454: Today, linens and a shirt. It was hot in the UK Mar 26 01:38:17 Error454: anything from shorts and short sleeve business shirt to full suit and tie, depending on weather and who's visiting. Mar 26 01:38:18 Error454, work provides a polo uniform thingy that I hate Mar 26 01:39:38 I find the history of technical work attire fascinating, if you look at photos from old IBM, programmers wore a suit/tie to sit at a computer all day. Now it seems like most of my co-workers are shorts/t-shirt but I kind of like dressing up. Mar 26 01:40:32 When/if you folk work at home, do you dress down compared to going into the office? Mar 26 01:40:42 Business casual for me. no tie Mar 26 01:41:06 when I worked in tech support I'd dress up sometimes. no customers could see me, but it felt nice Mar 26 01:41:59 work from home I wear sweats or gym shorts and t-shirt Mar 26 01:42:12 RagingMind: Yeah there's something about that. I usually dress up when I work from home just because it helps me feel more productive and professional. Mar 26 01:42:36 if I worked at home, I'd be lucky to get out of my PJ's Mar 26 01:42:49 I bet you will find a corilation to that and age. Mar 26 01:43:05 k or 1/k? Mar 26 01:43:18 hehe, working from home is odd, always this strange guilt of wondering if it's ok to do household stuff during the workday Mar 26 01:43:51 I wish my old employer had a work from home in my area... then I'd still have a full time job Mar 26 01:50:46 Is there a good linux music manager that allows sftp to be mounted as a device? Mar 26 02:10:01 mgschu: a what? Mar 26 02:10:18 mgschu: use sshfs Mar 26 02:11:03 not sure whether the music manager would be able to detect the ssh mount point as a device, but I'm not really sure why not, either Mar 26 02:11:33 I don't generally use that kind of software Mar 26 02:11:54 I'm envious of winamp and android Mar 26 02:12:11 or iTunes and that wireless sync app that didn't break any rules but got rejected Mar 26 02:15:28 hmm, songbird dropped Linux support? .. but.. why? Mar 26 02:16:11 looks like some of the devs are starting a support for linux project called Nightingale but no releases yet Mar 26 02:16:41 for sshing on the pre, isnt it "chmod 700 /var/home/root/.ssh/authorized_keys/id_rsa.pub" Mar 26 02:17:32 authorized_keys is a file, not a directory Mar 26 02:17:53 id_rsa.pub should be renamed or appended into authorized_keys Mar 26 02:17:59 ah ok Mar 26 02:20:16 what is the easiest way to remove a directory? Mar 26 02:20:49 rm -rf Mar 26 02:22:25 then, i run the chmod 700 thing, right? Mar 26 02:30:47 destinal: songbird works under wine Mar 26 02:31:54 mgschu: sounds like they started out with linux support though, right? why drop it? Mar 26 02:32:26 Hey everyone Mar 26 02:32:31 hay Mar 26 02:50:19 rwhitby: is there an easy way to customize the ls2 files? ie before installation Mar 26 02:52:34 destinal: they did start out with linux support Mar 26 02:54:43 not well in wine, I've lost all trace of the window and it's still playing... **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Mar 26 02:59:58 2011