**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Mar 28 02:59:57 2011 Mar 28 03:15:23 hows the palm comunity doing? Mar 28 03:25:21 ugh Mar 28 03:25:29 im gonna have to go back to 1.4.5 Mar 28 03:25:51 this gps is killing me .. i have done the #*477# thing and keep hitting fix and it just isn't working Mar 28 03:33:47 anyone perfering 1.4.5 or 2.1 ? Mar 28 03:44:34 rwhitby: John C Dvorak is a moron. Mar 28 03:45:20 A moron with reach though. Mar 28 03:46:09 rwhitby: true. and actually he may be smarter than he seems and just says dumb / naive things to get attention Mar 28 03:47:19 hmm, would that make him a well circulated mass media troll? Mar 28 03:50:58 ok .. how do i manually sync everything to google as far as teh calendars i just made on my device and the contacts ? Mar 28 03:54:19 just sync now in accounts ? Mar 28 03:56:15 joeb_: if your accounts are already set up I thought that stuff was pretty near real time Mar 28 03:56:51 destinal: i have had many times doctoring etc .. that the contacts / calendars don't update to gmail Mar 28 03:56:55 there just on the device Mar 28 03:57:36 joeb_: that's very strange Mar 28 03:58:07 mine are always in sync with my google account ever since adding the google profile to email, contacts, calendar, etc. Mar 28 03:58:27 not sure what can cause that issue offhand Mar 28 03:58:50 you need to set google to be the default account for new items Mar 28 04:00:17 k coo Mar 28 04:00:19 thanks Mar 28 04:04:06 rwhitby: preware is showing wrong release dates for me on some apps Mar 28 04:04:52 but it is only happening on one of my devices.. that's what I think is weird.. Mar 28 04:28:40 joeb_, I've never had luck with gps on 1.4.5 or 2.1 Mar 28 04:34:08 yea Mar 28 04:34:19 wow RagingMind i just doctored to 1.4.5 and still gps is still sucking Mar 28 04:34:56 who's your provider? and you *did* remember to enable gps, right? Mar 28 04:35:33 yes i enabled gps and im doing gps fix right now #*477# Mar 28 04:35:46 i should turn off wifi Mar 28 04:36:22 wifi shouldn't matter Mar 28 04:36:27 i know Mar 28 04:36:29 im trying everything Mar 28 04:37:39 off topic i love th eminem mosh song(video) Mar 28 04:37:42 k back to topic Mar 28 06:34:03 heyho Mar 28 06:42:28 Hey, anyone around? Mar 28 06:43:41 hey Mar 28 06:43:52 Ah, how goes? Mar 28 06:44:14 nothing much, trying to compile some dependencies that I broke :) Mar 28 06:44:27 Haha, nice. Sounds like you're a dev then :P Mar 28 06:44:40 Unfortunately, I'm an end-user, and like most, I've got a question Mar 28 06:45:29 << :P Mar 28 06:46:00 its late...good evening Mar 28 06:46:04 Just wait, it gets better. I've a ATT Pixi+ that refuses to activate/FirstUse over WiFi Mar 28 06:46:05 I need to change the IRQ's on my pre Mar 28 06:46:08 how do I do this? Mar 28 06:46:09 lol Mar 28 06:46:35 Despite using meta-doctored version, also devicetool, and even PreWare/Show FirstUSe app Mar 28 06:46:51 all have failed, the thing just won't do it unless the SIM is in and the 2G radio is on Mar 28 06:47:12 Saij, back up a few Mar 28 06:47:26 Mm? Mar 28 06:47:41 its a GSM phone and you are doing what with the 2G radio? Mar 28 06:47:51 also which model of phone? Mar 28 06:47:51 Well, 2G/3G radio Mar 28 06:47:57 Pixi+ ATT Mar 28 06:48:23 I've read about a secret sms sent to your device upon login to your profile Mar 28 06:48:27 okay, thats helpful. Mar 28 06:48:55 That SMS I've not gotten, but I did get the Palm Profile activation email which I did activate. The Profile is valid and I can login to it Mar 28 06:49:24 The sticking issue is, ATT will force a dataplan on me if I put the SIM in to activate the device. I can't have that Mar 28 06:49:48 I have no intention of ever using this as a phone, only a WiFi toy/email sync Mar 28 06:50:13 But you want to log in to your profile so you can access the app catalog? Mar 28 06:50:15 Saij, did you put in wifi profiles? Mar 28 06:50:34 Yeah, I want the appstore plus contact sync, etc for facebook/messaging Mar 28 06:51:01 Yeah, I did the meta-doctor with the WiFI profile option. I got the profile off the device and patched it as instructed Mar 28 06:51:13 There were no errors and as far as I can tell, it all worked (ish). Mar 28 06:52:00 okay so you are trying to create a profile and thats failing? Mar 28 06:52:30 Well, not really. I have a valid profile from the 1st time I activated the device and found out they gave me a dataplan over it. Mar 28 06:52:39 I'm trying to just login to that profile over WiFi Mar 28 06:53:02 you should be able to do that...I did with mine Mar 28 06:53:08 from what i'm reading, it looks like the Verizon/Sprint devices work with the wifi patched doctor, but not the ATT devices Mar 28 06:53:39 oh, I remember how I dealt with AT&T Mar 28 06:53:46 O_O Mar 28 06:53:50 I bought a Sim Card with $10 on it... Mar 28 06:53:54 and activated Mar 28 06:53:55 haha, brilliant Mar 28 06:53:59 then removed the sim. Mar 28 06:54:03 are you US? Mar 28 06:54:08 yes, Mar 28 06:54:10 I wouldn't even know where to pick one up here Mar 28 06:54:17 att store Mar 28 06:54:21 where are you? Mar 28 06:54:34 halfhalo, thats where I got that one. Mar 28 06:54:35 Northern NY. I'm looking for where to purcahse one now Mar 28 06:54:40 did someone also have strange thing happening with the latest uberkernel for 2.1.0 on pre-? Mar 28 06:55:33 ATT store Mar 28 06:55:35 Excuse the ignorance, but what is halfhalo? Mar 28 06:55:38 Ah Mar 28 06:55:50 oh wow, its late and I just depred Mar 28 06:55:55 *derped Mar 28 06:56:08 a half-life halo Mar 28 06:56:16 * halfhalo is a crazy type of mammal found on the west coast of america Mar 28 06:56:39 Haha, nice :P Mar 28 06:56:54 So, I just go into the store and ask for a prepaid sim? Mar 28 06:57:05 yes Mar 28 06:57:18 and I used that to activate a pixi plus (gsm) Mar 28 06:57:19 * halfhalo lucked out and had a spare activated sim to use Mar 28 06:57:43 Wow, simple but odd. Is there a short reason why ATT ones are so picky? Mar 28 06:57:55 Greed? Mar 28 06:58:17 I really hope they don't peg me with another data plan, I was trying to get the first-use app to run over wifi with 2g/3g radios turned off but SIM in (thought I was being smart) and then it turned the radios on lol Mar 28 06:58:28 bastard thing Mar 28 06:58:56 Yeah, I guess greed about covers it. Never thought ATT was more or less greedy than VZW or Sprint though Mar 28 06:59:01 I didn't do first use Mar 28 06:59:13 I did login to the profile only Mar 28 06:59:20 how does one do that? Mar 28 06:59:44 trying to remember now... Mar 28 06:59:46 is it wrong to love the pixi+ despite its limitations Mar 28 06:59:51 its been like 7months Mar 28 06:59:51 webOS is friggin slick Mar 28 07:00:06 pixi+ with pre3 hardware = perfection Mar 28 07:00:18 the pixiplus is very nice Mar 28 07:00:36 Yeah, just wish it was compatible with the 3d apps and such. No webOS 2.x is a real bummer Mar 28 07:00:52 I can't believe they committed to it then backed off. I really hope their "suprise" is worth it :\ Mar 28 07:01:21 Saij, you never know whats possible...I certainly don't Mar 28 07:01:52 << True. From reading, it seems highly unlikely they'll release a webOS 2.x for Pixi+ due to it using ARM6 and not ARM7 Mar 28 07:02:13 and not being "powerful" enough Mar 28 07:02:41 for some things it beats a pre2 Mar 28 07:02:46 (but not many) Mar 28 07:03:12 Pre2 was more or less the same hardware as the Pre+ correct? Mar 28 07:03:12 okay I need to finish an upgrade here so I can go to sleep... Mar 28 07:03:23 I wouldn't say that Mar 28 07:03:27 its in the same series Mar 28 07:03:31 but not the same. Mar 28 07:03:52 3630 vs 3430 Mar 28 07:03:57 1Ghz Mar 28 07:04:00 etc Mar 28 07:04:12 Okay, so an upgrade to be sure. Mar 28 07:04:16 My mistake Mar 28 07:04:22 yes Mar 28 07:04:40 very very smooth Mar 28 07:04:58 Ah, you've used one? Mar 28 07:05:10 one last stab @ prodding the pixi's GPS to do what I want. Mar 28 07:05:20 And what is that exactly? Mar 28 07:05:22 Saij, yup... Mar 28 07:05:38 May I ask what you develop? Or are you tweaking/hacking for personal? Mar 28 07:05:58 Saij, I am hoping to get altitude information out of it. Mar 28 07:06:11 but I don't think its in the strings Mar 28 07:06:16 Ah, okay. That information is typically not terribly precise in GPS sensors Mar 28 07:06:35 try NO information Mar 28 07:06:58 Haha, yeah, I can see that. Its not often used for more than a best-guess. Most GPS hardware will include an actual altimeter to supplement/replace that data Mar 28 07:06:59 well..I see the /dev/nmea device Mar 28 07:07:22 c-ya later people :) Mar 28 07:07:33 I would like to geotag and altitude tag the pix I'm taking with it. Mar 28 07:07:33 later, thanks! Mar 28 07:07:39 NuttyBunny-ZZZZZ, nite nite Mar 28 07:07:56 Whoa, that would certainly be quite cool. Mar 28 07:08:17 I have a very specific task however... Mar 28 07:08:25 so thats why Mar 28 07:08:35 ah Mar 28 07:08:37 1 time use...and hope it survives. Mar 28 07:08:46 pixi+ rocket to space? Mar 28 07:08:54 Balloon Mar 28 07:08:58 even better Mar 28 07:09:00 wicked man! Mar 28 07:09:31 did the calcs for a failure of the 'chute...not pretty Mar 28 07:09:55 instant death? Mar 28 07:10:36 I need to get with a friend and see if 6" of foam is enough to make it survive (enough crush) Mar 28 07:10:42 le shit. the webos doctor stopped progressing. Safe to pull the plug and retry? Mar 28 07:10:55 not usually Mar 28 07:11:00 wait for it. Mar 28 07:11:15 its been stuck at 64% for a long time now Mar 28 07:11:39 ah, well...read the doctor troubleshooting docs on the wiki Mar 28 07:11:54 yeah, says modem firmware Mar 28 07:12:06 ugh...not pretty Mar 28 07:13:01 thank god i was taking the time to read, it went directly to 72% haha Mar 28 07:13:16 thats why I say wait... Mar 28 07:13:20 haha :P Mar 28 07:13:47 I don't think I'll be tweaking with much PreWare patches this time. That got me into this mess :C Mar 28 07:13:50 I've probably flashed quite a bit...and you think its stuck and its just verifying... Mar 28 07:14:14 There seems to be much modability in this platform, its pretty cool Mar 28 07:14:36 okay, turning on nav and sniffing the nmea device Mar 28 07:16:15 bleh...must have something wrong.. Mar 28 07:16:24 unless its not locked up yet. Mar 28 07:17:18 might have to hack the warthog I think...rats. Mar 28 07:17:22 ? Mar 28 07:17:27 kernel Mar 28 07:17:35 warthog is the overclock kernel? Mar 28 07:17:56 yes Mar 28 07:18:17 i don't need 'overclock' just the ability to add features... Mar 28 07:18:43 ahh okay Mar 28 07:18:59 somehow my pre- 2.1.0 seems faster @600MHz Palm kernel than on 600MHz UK Mar 28 07:19:08 also the screen problems are gone Mar 28 07:19:31 ice8lue, did you bug report that with examples? Mar 28 07:19:44 no not until now Mar 28 07:19:51 in the forum thread? Mar 28 07:20:10 there is a bugtracker for things too. Mar 28 07:20:30 where? Mar 28 07:20:53 lemme see if that is setup Mar 28 07:21:00 you are talking UK on 2.X right? Mar 28 07:21:38 yap Mar 28 07:21:45 2.1.0-18 i think Mar 28 07:23:07 ice8lue, what are the "screen' problems? Mar 28 07:23:07 Hm, I'm out ka6sox, thank you for the assistance Mar 28 07:23:17 Saij, np...good night Mar 28 07:23:22 I'll be getting a prepaid SIM tomorrow and likely cancelling my new dataplan Mar 28 07:23:28 it was glitchy..sometimes touching itself, moving icons and so on Mar 28 07:23:47 Do you have Wiki edit capabiltiy on webos-internal? I'd suggest a footnote about this for the metadoctor section Mar 28 07:23:48 sometimes it won't recognize touches at all (had to turn off/turn on) Mar 28 07:24:29 when my Pixi+ ignores input, i just short-press the power button (to turn off screen) and turn screen back on and its always okay Mar 28 07:25:15 scrolling was 'stottering' (specially in preware apps feed, sometimes scrolls up/down by itself, clicks on entries itself) Mar 28 07:25:39 Saij, you are talking about sleeping it then waking it up fixes what? Mar 28 07:26:03 ya, same for me Mar 28 07:26:11 Fixes the Pixi+ when it doesn't respond to touch input. Maybe it clears up an action queue or something, but it always works Mar 28 07:26:22 ice8lue, thats the opposite of what I saw most people reporting. Mar 28 07:27:23 Saij, okay...I"ve not done that with any of my pixi's Mar 28 07:27:25 but the self-touching is annoying and i did not have that with the uk testing versions before 18 Mar 28 07:27:45 "self-touching"? Mar 28 07:27:53 yes Mar 28 07:28:04 Sounds like he's saying the device will activate an entry/icon etc without a screen press Mar 28 07:28:06 it randomly cklicks arround on the screen Mar 28 07:28:11 yes Mar 28 07:28:13 sort of like a wonky touchpad driver Mar 28 07:28:30 Can capactive touch screens be recalibrated? Mar 28 07:28:42 well i just doctored it maybe 5hours ago because of that Mar 28 07:28:45 * ka6sox-home tries to imagine how that driver gets wonked Mar 28 07:28:52 What environment are you in? Has the device recieved any electric shocks? Mar 28 07:29:09 no, at least i can't imagine how Mar 28 07:29:11 Saij, calibration is a token iirc Mar 28 07:29:21 token as in not needed? Mar 28 07:29:34 it never fall down, get wet,... Mar 28 07:29:35 no as in done 1X, at the factory Mar 28 07:29:49 Ah, okay. Fixed then... that isn't ideal IMO Mar 28 07:30:15 capacitive screens are suseptable to static Mar 28 07:30:21 Well, the only things that would cause the capacitive sensing to go awry would be physical damage to the glass and interference, right? Mar 28 07:30:27 so sometimes they go wonky that way. Mar 28 07:30:42 Thats what I'm thinking. Mar 28 07:30:44 static charge but not often. Mar 28 07:31:02 I use a LOT of capacitive TS and mostly its not an issue Mar 28 07:32:02 okay its 3:30am east coast and 00:30 here on the Left Coast so I'm out too. Mar 28 07:32:36 haha, yeah. Thanks for the assist man :) Mar 28 07:32:40 good luck with the alt data Mar 28 07:32:49 ^^good night ;) Mar 28 07:33:01 ya, I'm going to have to set it up as a separate stream.. Mar 28 07:33:11 and hope.. Mar 28 07:33:59 I can make the pre- one work but would rather not fly a pre (heavier) Mar 28 07:34:45 what are u trying to do? Mar 28 07:35:14 geotag/alt into/accellerometer tag pictures. Mar 28 07:35:31 s/into/info/ Mar 28 07:35:31 ka6sox-home meant: geotag/alt info/accellerometer tag pictures. Mar 28 07:35:39 ~ugt Mar 28 07:35:39 well, ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html Mar 28 07:35:42 there. Mar 28 07:36:19 but a pre is MUCH heavier Mar 28 07:36:39 ya Mar 28 07:37:27 I need a "dead" battery...so I can "fix" it so it uses the craft's power buss.. Mar 28 07:38:00 just got some alive ones here Mar 28 07:38:25 bootie will scream if I don't have the chip in there. Mar 28 07:39:02 oh well...another "task" to be done Mar 28 07:39:29 at least it never gets boring ;) Mar 28 07:39:40 nope... Mar 28 07:40:10 I could fake it but I don't want to have the MSP do that too. Mar 28 07:41:26 the msp is busy enough. Mar 28 07:42:18 unless...I use it to get the GPS info out too. Mar 28 07:43:23 I like that idea. Mar 28 07:43:24 hmm Mar 28 07:44:16 means another kernel mod. Mar 28 07:44:20 but it would be FAST. Mar 28 07:44:26 and clean Mar 28 07:44:31 sounds nice =) Mar 28 07:45:21 I can have the 1-wire master push the data out Mar 28 07:46:31 and have the MSP take that data and fake back the battery stuffs. Mar 28 07:46:44 will that be a public kernel mod? Mar 28 07:46:55 ice8lue, probably not Mar 28 07:47:04 nobody else will use it. Mar 28 07:47:17 too bad Mar 28 07:47:59 its going to be a serious "hack" to do that... Mar 28 07:48:48 essentially bypassing the battery health stuff Mar 28 07:49:32 okay that does solve 2 problems Mar 28 07:50:17 =) you will get that working Mar 28 07:50:29 and i will go to work now ;) Mar 28 07:50:37 ouch...you in .eu? Mar 28 07:50:43 ya germany Mar 28 07:50:50 kk... Mar 28 07:51:03 good luck, cu Mar 28 07:51:05 the msp only draws <1milliamp so its ideal. Mar 28 07:51:07 nite nite Mar 28 07:58:35 hi all. Mar 28 08:00:16 i'm new and trying to compile the pdk. I get the foloweing error in the common/bison package. Mar 28 08:00:29 configure.ac:22: version `UNKNOWN' doesn't follow Gnits standards Mar 28 08:00:37 and it stops. Mar 28 08:01:26 can someone help ? Mar 28 08:09:26 pdk or widk ? Mar 28 08:18:05 widk Mar 28 08:18:26 seems build-aux/git-version-gen .tarball-version in bison returns UNKNOWN Mar 28 08:22:44 as there is no .tarball-version file it fails. Mar 28 08:36:56 ok. copied the .tarball-version file from the src directory to the arm7 directory and it compiles ok. Mar 28 08:37:28 .tarball-version file containas the bison version number in one line 2.4 thats all. Mar 28 08:41:06 what host OS are you using? Mar 28 08:41:35 started from ubuntu 9.10 in virtualbox vm Mar 28 08:41:49 upgraded it to 10.04 Mar 28 08:41:55 tall server versions Mar 28 08:42:02 all server versions Mar 28 08:43:29 another error in : /srv/preware/cross-compile/packages/dev-sdl/libsdl-gfx/build/armv7 Mar 28 08:43:39 configure.in:113: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_PATH_SDL Mar 28 08:44:00 If this token and others are legitimate, please use m4_pattern_allow. Mar 28 08:52:10 this line : AM_PATH_SDL($SDL_VERSION, Mar 28 08:52:10 :, Mar 28 08:52:10 as_fn_error "*** SDL version $SDL_VERSION not found!" "$LINENO" 5 Mar 28 08:52:10 ) Mar 28 08:52:30 in arm7 directory configure script returns an error Mar 28 08:52:51 ./configure: line 16030: syntax error near unexpected token `$SDL_VERSION,' Mar 28 08:52:51 ./configure: line 16030: `AM_PATH_SDL($SDL_VERSION,' Mar 28 08:52:51 make: *** [config.status] Error 2 Mar 28 13:35:48 heyho Mar 28 14:48:52 hi Mar 28 15:23:23 hi NuttyBunny-ZZZZZ Mar 28 15:40:44 hello again NuttyBunny Mar 28 15:40:59 hello again :) Mar 28 17:29:56 hoot Mar 28 18:51:26 im having issues with webos quick install . i just flashed back to 1.4.5 .. i downloaded the webosquickinstall.jar right Mar 28 18:51:48 k..? Mar 28 18:51:48 it ask what carrier and what pre i have .. i hit downloaad and it just waits .. nothing happens it actually disappers Mar 28 18:52:12 I normally download the doctor on my own and name it like it asks Mar 28 18:52:43 ? Mar 28 18:52:52 im downloading webosquickinstall to get preware on the phone Mar 28 18:52:58 yes Mar 28 18:53:05 and what asks for carrier? Mar 28 18:53:10 one sec Mar 28 18:53:17 the old versions of quick install require the webos doctor to work Mar 28 18:53:23 but the new version shouldn't Mar 28 18:57:57 RagingMind: or MetaView http://i53.tinypic.com/rctxtv.png Mar 28 19:03:17 too late Mar 28 19:03:23 for what? Mar 28 19:03:56 for an answer Mar 28 19:04:40 to what? I'm lost lol Mar 28 19:05:13 you came too late, there was a question about wosqi, but he was using an outdated version, as it seems Mar 28 19:05:31 ah ok Mar 28 19:13:32 has anyone looked at/tried merging the android kernel patch set (for 2.6.2X, with/without omap) with the webos kernel patches? Mar 28 19:13:51 why would u? Mar 28 19:17:02 RagingMind: WOSQI worked with 4.0 Mar 28 19:17:13 cool Mar 28 19:17:37 :) Mar 28 19:18:18 what's goin on joeb_ Mar 28 19:21:30 PatrickC_Pre2: nothing Mar 28 19:21:46 PatrickC_Pre2 i mean yeah webos is nice, it might be a neat exercise to run some android pieces (maybe even get dalvik up?) Mar 28 19:22:02 well, I'm tryin to buy a battery, and a holster... Mar 28 19:22:15 spartango: you an if you want too.. I guess Mar 28 19:22:17 cause building standalone dalvik is basically impossible, it relies on some hacks. Mar 28 19:22:33 i mean i was looking at the patch sets... Mar 28 19:23:10 but looking isn't the same as applying them, one after the other. Mar 28 19:23:44 correct me if I'm wrong, but looking through the palm stuff, looks like its mostly just OMAP compatibility Mar 28 19:23:46 no real hacks. Mar 28 19:24:33 * RagingMind is experimenting with ways to build a suitable debian image to chroot into on the pre Mar 28 19:24:40 SO many options, heh Mar 28 19:24:53 lol Mar 28 19:25:13 what is considered a design image? like any ubuntu? Mar 28 19:25:38 RagingMind: I've played with a chroot to the debsmall image linked from here http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Debian Mar 28 19:25:47 destinal, yeah I was reading that Mar 28 19:26:07 and I didn't like having to download an image... I wanted to create my own up-to-date image Mar 28 19:26:16 and figure out how to customize it Mar 28 19:26:27 spartango: palm's kernel is based on a non maInline TI OMAP port and there's board specific stuff for pre and roadrunner. Mar 28 19:26:36 err pre and pre2 (castle/roadrunner) Mar 28 19:26:44 rigt. Mar 28 19:26:46 it took me a little while to figure out what I was missing with debootstrap, heh Mar 28 19:28:08 so destinal in principle the android patches should be mappable [obviously with a bunch of work], in that they aren't really hardware things (common-branch) Mar 28 19:28:16 which embedded linux distro is webos based on? I always forget Mar 28 19:58:54 when updating the patch of someone else, can I just add my email and name to the existing one? Mar 28 20:00:14 * PatrickC_Pre2 was wondering that too Mar 28 20:00:28 I skipped the email address Mar 28 20:37:18 metaview: what patch did you update? Mar 28 20:50:43 RagingMind: webos is based on openembedded Mar 28 20:57:25 PatrickC_Pre2: no refresh after idle in browser Mar 28 20:57:34 g'night Mar 28 20:58:14 cool Mar 28 20:58:16 night Mar 28 21:08:29 destinal, I think I have pseudo script set up that outlines all the steps to making a basic debian image that can be loop mounted and chrooted into on the Pre :) Mar 28 21:19:54 how come this patch isn't in preware? Mar 28 21:19:57 ^^ http://forums.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/278796-synergy-messaging-plugins-webos-2-x.html#post2914013 Mar 28 21:20:28 can you tab complete on the xterm ? Mar 28 21:20:38 tab complete? Mar 28 21:20:50 well complete Mar 28 21:21:18 like enter? I'm still a n00b to linux cmd line :p Mar 28 21:22:10 nope Mar 28 21:22:15 ugh Mar 28 21:22:19 oh nvm sorry Mar 28 21:22:32 ok Mar 28 21:22:47 still on 2.1? Mar 28 21:22:48 PatrickC_Pre2: basically intead of typeing /home/joeb i can type /home and it will tab complete the rest of the thing Mar 28 21:23:01 ah Mar 28 21:23:14 ...and the answer is "yes you can" Mar 28 21:23:21 Frost: oo how ? Mar 28 21:23:22 meta+I Mar 28 21:23:48 hay frost Mar 28 21:23:52 PatrickC_Pre2: hello Mar 28 21:23:53 good stuff Frost Mar 28 21:23:58 joeb_: np Mar 28 21:24:30 * PatrickC_Pre2 found out that you *can* facebook chat on webOS 2.1 :D Mar 28 21:26:16 joeb_: you don't happen to know how I tell xterm that I want to press "the escape key" Mar 28 21:26:44 Frost: how ? Mar 28 21:27:27 joeb_: oh, I meant that as a question... I tried to use vi in xterm, and I'm having some problems with going back to normal mode Mar 28 21:27:58 * PatrickC_Pre2 is totally lost in all the Linux speak :p Mar 28 21:28:23 PatrickC_Pre2: You should try it sometime, it's really good :) Mar 28 21:28:37 I'm more of a mac guy though Mar 28 21:28:53 I have XUbuntu up and running in a VBox, but I'm gonna try to get regular Ubuntu running Mar 28 21:29:00 or, is there a better distro? Mar 28 21:30:00 hmm.. can I use cmd line tools when in recovery mode? Mar 28 21:30:32 Frost: nope sorry Mar 28 21:30:51 joeb_: No worries, I found it by googling: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:X Mar 28 21:31:07 Any Ubuntu-based distro is a good start, I'd say. It's as user-friendly as Linux distros come. Mar 28 21:32:01 after I master Ubuntu, then what do you suggest? (what do you run?) Mar 28 21:32:31 Mac OS X :) Mar 28 21:32:44 (on a PC) Mar 28 21:32:59 is there a free distro of that? :D Mar 28 21:33:00 No, but seriously, I think ubuntu's a good distro. Mar 28 21:33:03 that is legal Mar 28 21:33:29 in sweden it's legal Mar 28 21:33:37