**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Apr 11 02:59:57 2011 Apr 11 03:00:14 you know what would be a cool patch? extending the messaging-swipe-forward-to-send to be system-wdie Apr 11 03:00:18 system-wide* Apr 11 03:00:46 rwhitby: just wanted to thank you personally - the wiki really layed out everything you need to do for the comm swap and literally everything works on my Sprint Pre 2 :) Apr 11 03:01:22 * summatusmentis will be donating when he stops being a poor college student Apr 11 03:01:59 after being a poor college student and getting lucky to work for the fed gov, it feels awesome to make good $$ and donate to great tech causes Apr 11 03:03:23 I mean, I'll be a grad student, but I'll have more income than I do now :) Apr 11 03:04:11 being a grad student means research projects that are funded. sometimes nicely Apr 11 03:05:25 it also means as a grad student, you get paid pretty poorly compared to the amount the grants are for Apr 11 03:06:00 oh ya. of course. sorta like a student intern. but connections are nice =) Apr 11 03:06:47 I want to start tweaking voltages in Govnah. I'm guessing i should disable vdemand...? Apr 11 03:07:59 indeed they are :) Apr 11 03:08:51 NickNick: that my friend is out of my expertise. wish I could help Apr 11 03:10:21 NickNick: there were some articles recently Apr 11 03:13:30 summatusmentis: i saw the webos world one, and one from last year on webosroundup Apr 11 03:14:10 NickNick: that's the best I do, @wusaint on twitter offered to help me, when I asked about it Apr 11 03:14:58 summatusmentis: cool. thanks. Apr 11 03:15:21 NickNick: glad to oblige Apr 11 03:25:35 Some dude in the forums is claiming his pixi came with 2.1 on it: http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pixi/280300-hp-webos2-1-pixi-released-now.html Apr 11 03:26:10 perhaps thats the WOSI announcement tomorrow? :) Apr 11 03:26:46 given that rwhitby just said in the other chan that the pixi will never get 2.x, I doubt it :) Apr 11 03:27:10 heh, I am curious what they're doing, everyone is all atwitter Apr 11 03:27:43 I think it's related to the Advanced System patches (given what people said in the other chan) Apr 11 03:31:09 pixi can barely handle 1.4.5, let alone 2.1 Apr 11 03:31:37 scionix is def hinting at it in the advanced system menus thread. That must only be a small piece of it... Impostah must play in there somehow too. Apr 11 03:32:39 no, impostah is not involved, although it was used quite a bit in the development Apr 11 03:33:15 summatusmentis: hit me on twitter asking for early access Apr 11 03:34:11 done like dinner Apr 11 03:34:59 * halfhalo has had his interest piqued Apr 11 03:35:31 NickNick: I wouldn't be surprised if Palm folks could run 2.1 on a pixi, but such a thing has never been released or even leaked as far as I know Apr 11 03:36:46 yeah, what rod said. For all we know, it's a major stripped down version of 2.1 Apr 11 03:36:49 bah after upgrade to latest advanced menu framework, none of the rotated battery icon patches will install Apr 11 03:37:12 Robi_: they're included. Scionix is releasing details on how to access them tomorrow Apr 11 03:37:59 oh I see Apr 11 03:38:55 patience grasshopper. The news is bright on the other side of the day Apr 11 03:39:08 but i'm awake now ;) Apr 11 03:39:16 i still miss the 4x5 icons patch Apr 11 03:39:31 Yeah i don't like the larger icons :( Apr 11 03:39:48 i'll keep my fingers crossed that the WOSI announcement is a tweaked launcher Apr 11 03:39:50 * halfhalo is weird in that he does not use patches normally Apr 11 03:39:52 this. 100x this. Apr 11 03:40:05 halfhalo: you really should try them Apr 11 03:40:20 my girlfriend ditched her BB for a Pre2. I'm so proud heh Apr 11 03:40:24 halfhalo: dont do it, once you start, you can't do without Apr 11 03:40:45 oh, I have tried most of them, at least for 1.4.5, but I haven't have a need with the pre2 yet Apr 11 03:40:45 Hello Apr 11 03:41:32 there is less of a need indeed Apr 11 03:41:35 hola CPCookieMan Apr 11 03:41:59 Hey I have a choice to make here. Price being no object, no carrier objects either. OG Sprint Pre or VZ Pixi Plus? Apr 11 03:42:06 still some obvious ones, like the huge icons and no precise batt indicator Apr 11 03:42:22 I just want a web os device to play around on. Apr 11 03:42:30 OG Sprint Pre Apr 11 03:42:32 sprint Pre hands down Apr 11 03:42:35 yup Apr 11 03:42:36 yeah pre Apr 11 03:42:38 You want 2.1 on it, right? Apr 11 03:42:40 CPCookieMan: get a Pre Plus, not a Pre - Apr 11 03:42:52 put the sprint card in it Apr 11 03:42:57 rod, could he make a Sprint Pre Plus and put 2.1 on it? Apr 11 03:43:00 or even better, sprintify a pre 2 Apr 11 03:43:05 bnceo: yes Apr 11 03:43:07 Well OG Pre is much cheaper than pre plus Apr 11 03:43:17 I would go for that if you don't want to spend the $$ for a Pre2 Apr 11 03:43:28 CPCookieMan: depends. look on craigslist and ebay Apr 11 03:43:38 you can find bunch of used and like new ones Apr 11 03:43:41 especially craigslist Apr 11 03:43:42 Ebay is where I am Apr 11 03:44:24 CPCookieMan: 2.1 runs nicely on a Pre Plus due to the extra RAM. Apr 11 03:44:42 I personally wouldn't settle for a Pre- running 2.1, but others may differ. Apr 11 03:44:49 is there a guide for that specific conversion or do I just follow steps in two separate ones? Apr 11 03:45:18 if not, I could experiement and create documentation Apr 11 03:46:07 bnceo: for a sprint plus with 2.1? I just did the - to + conversion, then the 2.1 upgrade after that with no hassle Apr 11 03:46:08 bnceo: the two steps should work Apr 11 03:46:32 okie doke Apr 11 03:46:55 might have to be my experiement after doing a Sprint Pixi Plus. Starting small to get my feet wet Apr 11 03:47:05 * summatusmentis has settled for a Pre- running 2.1 Apr 11 03:47:13 although I have a 48mb compcache running Apr 11 03:47:31 I will say this, I was amazed with how easy the metameta scripts were to use when they first came out Apr 11 03:47:54 IDK Apr 11 03:47:55 i Apr 11 03:48:20 I have a ton of pre, pixi + and pre + devices in my phantombidder right now Apr 11 03:48:27 All in a bid group. Apr 11 03:48:43 I guess either pre or pixi would be cool Apr 11 03:48:49 Plus, they're cheap Apr 11 03:49:13 so now that that's done... night all! Apr 11 03:49:22 summatusmentis: you ever got GPS issues? Apr 11 03:49:25 buy a pre Apr 11 03:49:28 I have to do GPS fixes a lot Apr 11 03:49:37 bnceo: not that I've noticed, but I don't use GPS that frequently Apr 11 03:49:38 CPCookieMan: no pixi. Pre- is better than pixi, IMO Apr 11 03:49:43 pixi is a dead end. Apr 11 03:49:46 I 4square a lot and it's a pain Apr 11 03:49:57 oh, I've never understood the point of 4square :) Apr 11 03:49:59 CPCookieMan: craigslist man. you find awesome deals on there Apr 11 03:50:20 bnceo: only if you're in a large city, in my experience. Apr 11 03:50:21 as much as I love the pixi form factor, its never used due to lack of 2.1 Apr 11 03:50:22 bnceo: hard to check in when the Pre says you're in the woods? Apr 11 03:50:42 So this is one to stay away from? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150588745665#ht_1659wt_940 Apr 11 03:51:01 CPCookieMan: stay away Apr 11 03:51:11 they're cheap for a reason... Apr 11 03:51:23 So are pre- Apr 11 03:51:45 is this going to be your primary phone? Apr 11 03:51:52 If you want a Sprint device, do the conversion I mentioned. make a Sprint Pre Plus and put 2.1 on it Apr 11 03:52:03 it's going to be his fooling around phone Apr 11 03:52:24 nicknick: no, I have my comfy thunderbolt Apr 11 03:52:37 I just want a device to play around with web os Apr 11 03:52:39 ah. verizon Apr 11 03:52:42 has/can any work be done to speed up the luna start? Apr 11 03:52:42 get a Pre Plus Apr 11 03:52:46 And they're a steal Apr 11 03:52:46 believe me! Apr 11 03:53:03 summatusmentis: nope. sadly Apr 11 03:53:06 part of webos life Apr 11 03:53:13 because it's all binary? Apr 11 03:53:14 you should be able to buy an inexpensive pre-, and a bad ESN Pre+ and make a Sprint Pre+ for cheap, right? Apr 11 03:53:24 should, yes Apr 11 03:53:34 when I looked on ebay, the bad ESN pre+s were still going for ~$100 Apr 11 03:53:56 why doesn't anyone look on craigslist =\ Apr 11 03:54:29 because CL in my area bites Apr 11 03:54:36 http://baltimore.craigslist.org/mob/2268841369.html Apr 11 03:54:59 * halfhalo lives near LA. 'Nuff Said Apr 11 03:55:30 * bnceo slaps summatusmentis around with Windows Me Apr 11 03:55:32 'night folks. I'll be dreaming of 4x5 launcher icons in 2.1 tonight Apr 11 03:55:38 bnceo: just checked the MSP craigslist, ~$100 Apr 11 03:55:40 night NickNick` Apr 11 03:56:14 I must brag a bit before I bid you good night Apr 11 03:56:26 http://download.cpcookieman.com/2700QuadrantTB.jpg Apr 11 03:56:31 Good night now Apr 11 03:56:47 haha Apr 11 03:56:48 yawn Apr 11 03:56:55 GL with that multitaskign =P Apr 11 03:58:17 whenever I see a screenshot of Android, I just want to throw up in my mouth at the 1998ish ui design Apr 11 03:58:54 and then download a malware apk so the device feels as sick as I do Apr 11 03:59:06 haha Apr 11 04:00:53 I could open around 200 cards at a time or more on my thunderbolt if it ran web os Apr 11 04:01:03 indeed Apr 11 04:01:06 but it doesn't run webos Apr 11 04:01:18 instead, it runs a non-gpl-compliant kernel and an oemed android Apr 11 04:01:40 eh, I don't mean to flame Apr 11 04:01:43 never mind Apr 11 04:02:08 I wonder why android devices cant run web os Apr 11 04:02:21 They are both linux after all Apr 11 04:02:27 it's not our concern anyways. We like our products, they ilke theirs. and that's ok Apr 11 04:02:36 let there be peace among us =) Apr 11 04:02:37 Let's team up and kill ios! Apr 11 04:02:40 YAY! Apr 11 04:02:50 especially cause the XDA people let the internals peeps have a forum Apr 11 04:03:12 XDA is nice peoples Apr 11 04:03:24 CPCookieMan: armv6 and armv7 android devices probably could run webos if (a) the webOS license allowed distributing Luna, and (b) Android devices' boot systems weren't typically so heavily locked down Apr 11 04:03:27 so it is a mutual fail Apr 11 04:04:15 wgreenhouse: I have an armv6 eris right here that is completely ready to run any linux of your choice Apr 11 04:04:44 I have ran ubuntu on it before Apr 11 04:04:44 debian would be my choice, probably :) Apr 11 04:04:53 It's possible Apr 11 04:04:58 yep Apr 11 04:05:02 I just prefer ubuntu so... Apr 11 04:05:43 yeah. and I don't actually mind Android so much, but it annoys me that many of the vendors (including HTC) think the GPL is toilet paper, and forget the fact that they're building images on top of a Linux kernel Apr 11 04:05:48 and the fragmentation of the OS is weird Apr 11 04:08:42 let them be Apr 11 04:09:01 we have a phone manufacturer that likes us messing with our phones and learning about them Apr 11 04:09:21 well, not likes. But just smiles and let's us be free Apr 11 04:11:34 sorry, I lost connection before anyone could answer my last question... Apr 11 04:11:46 can you make a meta-doctor that auto installs patches? Apr 11 04:11:52 no Apr 11 04:12:06 ok... thanks Apr 11 04:39:09 night all Apr 11 05:06:18 my goodness... where do you permanently set the bash prompt in webos? I set it long ago before I doctored and can't find the right file again... Apr 11 05:07:33 huh? Apr 11 05:07:47 /etc/passwd ?? Apr 11 05:09:00 the prompt layout ie: export PS1='blah' Apr 11 05:09:31 usually goes in ~/.bashrc but that doesn't work Apr 11 05:09:47 /etc/profile maybe? Apr 11 05:12:36 tried that but it's read only... Apr 11 05:12:58 which is odd since the terminal logs in as root Apr 11 05:12:58 ah, you must make it read-write with a super secret command ;) Apr 11 05:13:08 there are 2, in fact Apr 11 05:13:17 rootfs_open -t Apr 11 05:13:18 do I really just need to do chmod first...? Apr 11 05:13:21 oh Apr 11 05:13:25 mount -o rw,remount / Apr 11 05:13:33 ah yes... Apr 11 05:13:36 been so long Apr 11 05:13:39 hehehe Apr 11 05:14:10 I generally spend most of my time in my debian environment via chroot that I forget about webos Apr 11 05:14:37 On your pre? Do you like it? Apr 11 05:15:09 who? what? Apr 11 05:15:32 phil_bw, and design via chroot Apr 11 05:15:57 Sorry, I should nick-hilight Apr 11 05:16:00 huh? Apr 11 05:16:25 NuttyBunny: that fixed my prob, thanks :) Apr 11 05:16:52 you're welcome :) Apr 11 05:16:55 phill_bw: "I generally spend most of my time in my design environment via chroot" on your pre? Apr 11 05:17:21 reread that Apr 11 05:17:48 Yes, debian Apr 11 05:17:56 Sorry, pre auto-correct Apr 11 05:18:03 Am I missing something? Apr 11 05:18:37 * summatus_pre adds debian to dictionary Apr 11 05:18:49 phil_bw: /etc/default.d/ I think Apr 11 05:19:41 rwhitby: /etc/profile did it Apr 11 05:20:03 summatus_pre: I don't understand what you're asking... Apr 11 05:20:50 phil_bw: the debian environment that you use via chroot, is this on your pre? Apr 11 05:21:08 yes Apr 11 05:21:16 Do you like it? Apr 11 05:21:45 That's all I was trying to ask :smile Apr 11 05:22:04 That's not what I wanted to happen, sorry, still figuring out wirc Apr 11 05:22:08 oh, yes I do, I do all the fun stuff in debian Apr 11 05:22:41 Do you find screen size limiting? Apr 11 05:23:03 phil_bw: if you use /etc/profile.d/ you don't have to edit an existing file, so it's more likely to survive OTA Apr 11 05:23:44 ah I see Apr 11 06:12:46 MetaView: ping Apr 11 06:14:52 yes? Apr 11 06:16:08 MetaView: you did UberCalender, rigth? Apr 11 06:16:13 yes Apr 11 06:16:26 the last updates were done by frantid Apr 11 06:16:52 MetaView: see twitter DM Apr 11 06:19:43 thx, email sent Apr 11 06:21:45 MetaView: replied Apr 11 06:23:28 cool,thx Apr 11 07:49:42 hey; a few of sconix's 'advanced system' patches are screwed up on my pre, such that i can't update or uninstall them. is there anything i can do short of re-meta-doctor-ing the phone and reinstalling all the patches? Apr 11 12:53:31 ok, who wants to beta test the new app? Apr 11 13:17:36 Hey guys, what do you think about the 2.1 Pixi that appeared in PreCentral? Seems legit but I really don't know :) Apr 11 13:18:28 maybe they found out in testing what it was too slow for the pixi? Apr 11 13:39:13 NuttyBunny: I think HP/Palm has internal builds of all the latest OS's for pre+ and pixi for the various carriers even, we just don't see them. The real question is how that one got on a device Apr 11 13:39:18 and into a customer's hands Apr 11 13:39:50 well I can see it getting on a test device easily Apr 11 13:39:54 the last part though... Apr 11 13:47:33 an ex-employee probably sold it on ebay Apr 11 13:50:45 and if they weren't ex they probably will be Apr 11 13:52:54 we Apr 11 13:53:11 we should dump that Pixi's filesystem :D Apr 11 13:53:49 rwhitby, *raises hand* Apr 11 13:53:56 you just want a few kernel modules I'm sure ;) Apr 11 13:54:55 for the beta thingy Apr 11 13:56:17 * RagingMind just woke up and is catching up on the webos world Apr 11 13:57:46 RM: aren't you a bit late for the beta? ;) Apr 11 13:59:26 I was just reading the scroll back in here Apr 11 13:59:56 it referring to the tweaks thing that I see on precentral? Apr 11 13:59:58 RagingMind: it's in the public feeds now Apr 11 14:00:03 heh Apr 11 14:00:10 hehehe Apr 11 14:00:22 that's what I get for sleeping all night Apr 11 14:00:26 rwhitby: you know you guys are turning webos into KDE right? ;) Apr 11 14:00:37 Loudergood, ew Apr 11 14:13:05 ok this is pretty slick Apr 11 14:16:57 Having to make a 2 hour traffic packed travel to the office just to get $200 is not funny... and they say "we can't deposit it to your account anymore, you have to come for it"... and the stupid gal always arrives late :@ Apr 11 14:19:06 mail? Apr 11 14:24:22 I need the money so I have to wait for her, and another guy, he has to give me some receipts Apr 11 15:05:30 so any news on this pixi with webos2? Apr 11 15:11:14 hey everyone Apr 11 15:12:07 hola Apr 11 15:13:48 hey Apr 11 15:14:09 NuttyBunny, yo Apr 11 15:14:45 qq, what's the latest news on the linphone port to webos? Apr 11 15:15:01 anything new with the Nova Barleywine Pixi port? ;) Apr 11 15:15:16 I've got a Pre- that's not seeing much use since I received my Pre2 Apr 11 15:15:39 NuttyBunny, i saw you already started trying to get him to backup his phone for us Apr 11 15:15:46 we MUST get a hold of 2.1 on pixi Apr 11 15:16:00 and a home phone who's battery life is measured in minutes Apr 11 15:19:47 PuffTheMagic: Yes, we need that upgrade!! :D Apr 11 15:20:44 NuttyBunny, what was your ssl question about yesterday? Apr 11 15:22:39 ah, I was asking what library you were using, but I saw that you're using openssl and it won't work on libpurple :( Apr 11 15:22:53 why wont it Apr 11 15:22:57 u can use gnutls Apr 11 15:23:01 if u dont want to use openssl Apr 11 15:27:11 libtasn1 crashes while checking the certificates :@ Apr 11 15:28:19 There's no interface for openssl, just for nss and gnutls. And nss inflates the ipk too much, I'd like to have gnutls working :S Apr 11 15:28:34 but would using any part of the software on that pixi really be legal? Apr 11 15:29:07 NuttyBunny, maybe try a different version of the codesourcery compiler? Apr 11 15:30:44 RagingMind: I've already tried the 2007 and 2009 with the same results... Apr 11 15:31:33 aww :( Apr 11 15:32:38 And about the legality... well, I guess that most files are the same, just the kernel and a few others should be different. Even if the Pre is armv7 and the Pixi is armv6 most things for armv7 run on v6... We could "only" get the kernel and modules, and Apr 11 15:32:38 grab the filesystem from another doctor ;) Apr 11 15:34:19 but the parts of the kernel that we'd want... are they proprietary modules? and even if they are open parts, since they weren't publicly released they wouldn't be open yet? at least that's my understanding Apr 11 15:35:19 RagingMind, why would it be illegal, we didnt get it though an NDA Apr 11 15:35:42 the pixi version was never released anywhere so it has to be an employee leak Apr 11 15:35:46 it's still leaked somehow Apr 11 15:35:55 not our issue Apr 11 15:36:30 im just hoping it can give us enough details to make our own Apr 11 15:36:41 that'd be like me downloading one of the nda 2.* covered copies for my pre+ and saying it's fine because *I* wasn't the one that broke the nda Apr 11 15:36:47 anything under an open source license we can redistribute Apr 11 15:37:05 if it's proprietary and we're not licensed to redistribute, then we can't legally do so Apr 11 15:37:17 we can distribute binary diffs ;) Apr 11 15:37:38 if needed Apr 11 15:37:52 im hoping we can combine public doctors Apr 11 15:38:02 and maybe do some tweaks to our pixi kernels Apr 11 15:38:06 to get shit working on 2.1 Apr 11 15:38:12 PuffTheMagic: yeah, that would be good Apr 11 15:38:14 2.1 for pixi is very tempting, it would take my BF's pixi to a point where I think he'd actually enjoy using it (assuming it wasn't too slow) Apr 11 15:38:14 That's what I hope too :) Apr 11 15:38:30 right now with 1.4.5 it's missing too many features he was used to on his iphone Apr 11 15:38:42 wont be too hard to port the pixi patches to the 2.1 kernel Apr 11 15:38:51 non of the board shit changed Apr 11 15:38:59 so its just some other random crap Apr 11 15:39:11 then we would have to work out the display drivers most likely Apr 11 15:40:03 Yep, like the 2.0 version when the Pre2 came out :S Apr 11 16:49:59 i'm having a frequently occuring entry in /var/log/messages Apr 11 16:50:14 Can someone tell me if this is normal, or something to be trying to figure out Apr 11 16:50:17 2011-04-11T15:49:43.300292Z [628] palm-webos kern.info kernel: [ 628.580000] IPT_PACKET_DROPPED_NO_MATCH: IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:00:16:ea:70:80:f4:08:00:45:00:00:4e:26:a4:00:00:80:11:bc:bb:0a:03:21:3b:0a:03:21:ff:00:89:00:89:00:3a:c7:c1:85:f9:01:10:00:01:00:00 SRC=10.3.33.59 DST=10.3.33.255 LEN=78 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=128 ID=9892 PROTO=UDP SPT=137 DPT=137 LEN=58 Apr 11 16:51:07 I'm getting hundreds of these... Apr 11 16:53:29 there's a patch for that Apr 11 16:55:22 Louder|pre: what is it? Apr 11 16:56:03 its normal Apr 11 16:56:56 I think the patch just keeps it from hogging the logs Apr 11 16:57:05 is that the muffle system logging patch? Apr 11 16:59:03 do you know the nature of the entries? It could be the dropped packet errors, there is a patch for that "Remove Dropped Packet logging" Apr 11 16:59:46 pretty sure its the one Kyusaka suggested Apr 11 16:59:57 kyusaku* Apr 11 17:00:11 It seems to be doing while just sitting. I'm on a wifi network, so maybe related to normal synergy issues Apr 11 17:00:35 Oops Apr 11 17:03:42 thanks kyusaku, i'll try that Apr 11 17:09:08 is anyone here on a pre- w/ 2.1? Apr 11 17:31:09 back with another question: anyone know why my load average is going through the roof with my screen off? i'm using F104a with Screenstate v2 500/800 Apr 11 17:33:11 check what's doing it with top, etc. Apr 11 17:35:06 whats the etc? i'm a linux command noob, so i know top, and ps aux. are there others that will give me better results? Apr 11 17:36:15 i don't have terminal access off-device right now, so i'll have to do it later Apr 11 17:36:20 thanks nebula Apr 11 17:46:51 OK, I'm backing up my device now to upgrade it to 2.1 Apr 11 17:46:53 :-D Apr 11 17:47:44 oh and Apr 11 17:47:45 http://forums.precentral.net/webos-synergy-synchronization/215705-howto-transfer-contacts-palm-profile-gmail-yahoo-mail-easier-way-2.html#post2886607 Apr 11 17:47:55 what should happen after I dial ##66623#? Apr 11 17:49:45 calling that number fails Apr 11 17:49:47 and the file isn't there Apr 11 17:54:09 hmmm Apr 11 17:54:23 what WebOS Doctor Version do I need to upgrade an O2 Pre- to 2.1? Apr 11 17:54:36 the highest version I can find is 1.4.5 Apr 11 17:54:41 2.1.0 is for Pre+ only Apr 11 17:55:19 You will probably need to use meta doctor Apr 11 17:55:23 yeah Apr 11 17:55:27 I cloned to Apr 11 17:55:36 now I have to download a webosdoctor .jar, don't I? Apr 11 17:56:26 Just follow the directions on the wiki Apr 11 17:56:33 I am doing that Apr 11 17:56:48 I am not sure what I'm missing though :-) Apr 11 17:57:25 Can I reach out to Rod Withby here? I'm looking for alpha testing the VOIP (sip) client ? Apr 11 17:57:28 oh, OK Apr 11 17:57:33 it's a bit chaotic Apr 11 17:57:39 I should not follow the metadoctor instructions Apr 11 17:57:44 but the Upgrade ones Apr 11 17:58:09 MartinHP, the guy you're looking for is Thebaud (I think that's his name) Apr 11 18:01:44 phoque - thanks - but how to contact Thebaud ? I can't see his name one the IRC list here (and this is first time in IRC for me) Apr 11 18:01:51 he'll come Apr 11 18:02:36 ok - and then he will read my questions .. and come back to me ?? Apr 11 18:02:42 no Apr 11 18:02:47 IRC doesn't save anything Apr 11 18:02:51 you have to either Apr 11 18:02:52 wait Apr 11 18:02:56 or come back later Apr 11 18:02:58 :-) Apr 11 18:03:01 and see if he's here Apr 11 18:10:27 MartinHP: I think the app is probably available on the webos internals testing feed. Apr 11 18:11:07 I don't think it is Apr 11 18:11:18 could be wrong, but I don't think so Apr 11 18:11:38 I think rwhitby can help with linphone too Apr 11 18:14:31 MartinHP: did you follow the instructions on the forum/wiki about Linphone? Apr 11 18:16:27 MartinHP: if you're not going to stay in the channel all day, you may need to leave your contact information with rwhitby to discuss joining the Linphone alpha. Apr 11 18:19:08 I have a SprintPre+ with meta-2.1.0 that keeps shutting off. Has anyone else experienced this behavior? Apr 11 18:20:09 No patches, no Preware, nothing. Apr 11 18:20:52 is Thibaud on precentral? you could try PMing him there Apr 11 18:26:19 Davide-nyc: loose battery? Apr 11 18:28:46 Hmmm. Didn't even think of that. Apr 11 18:29:51 my pre- on meta-2.1 locks up, so I have to shut it down Apr 11 18:29:58 but it's not shutting down on it's own Apr 11 18:31:47 I very much doubt it's a loose battery. I have the seidio 7200mah and it's very snug. Apr 11 18:32:14 I just bent all three battery pins a tiny bit to apply even more pressure on the battery contacts. let's see how that goes. Apr 11 18:32:29 7200? Apr 11 18:32:39 that sounds huge Apr 11 18:37:22 evening Apr 11 18:37:47 user is reporting "Strange, #preware doesn't want to install homebrew apps anymore...clicking "install" simply doesn't work. Anyone else experiencing this?" Apr 11 18:37:49 any ideas? Apr 11 18:38:05 Wooooo Apr 11 18:38:10 2.1.0 on my Pre- Apr 11 18:38:11 BOOM Apr 11 18:38:15 it's so easy Apr 11 18:38:37 maybe you should change the Wiki page so it reflects that it's actually THAT easy Apr 11 18:38:40 :-D Apr 11 18:38:47 heh Apr 11 18:39:51 seriously Apr 11 18:40:01 keep the page as a "more detailed manual" Apr 11 18:45:49 phoque: the process is hazardous enough to either user data or your palm profile that it seems reasonable to keep the page as is Apr 11 18:54:13 hi swisstomcat Apr 11 18:54:28 swisstomcat: might need a reset Apr 11 18:54:41 it happens to me for catalog apps too from time to time Apr 11 18:54:43 hi metaview Apr 11 18:54:53 like reboot? Apr 11 18:56:20 yes Apr 11 18:58:46 Kyusaku, thanks for hints. I will check out about Linphone. I found the forum posting now: http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/274615-linphone-alpha-testing.html Apr 11 19:18:14 metaview: reboot helped .. thanks :) Apr 11 19:18:44 hay swisstomcat Apr 11 19:18:51 hai Apr 11 19:21:44 you use hulu? Apr 11 19:21:50 no Apr 11 19:22:19 ok Apr 11 19:36:57 Flashpass: you around? Apr 11 19:37:12 hay zinge Apr 11 19:37:30 Hey PatrickC_Pre2, what's up? Apr 11 19:37:46 nm.. just trying to look at the 2.1 Pixi thing Apr 11 19:38:44 Anyone know if there is an easy way to get a list of my installed app cat apps so I can reinstall them if I delete my profile for the upgrade to 2.1? Apr 11 19:40:10 palm-install -l Apr 11 19:40:16 if you have the sdk Apr 11 19:40:17 go into the app cat and click on the button in the bottom right Apr 11 19:40:31 or swisstomcat's suggestion :) Apr 11 19:41:15 swisstomcat: cool, thanks. Apr 11 19:41:22 np Apr 11 19:41:43 go to /media/cryptofs/app/usr/palm/applications Apr 11 19:41:50 and make a ls Apr 11 19:42:51 hay nuttybunny Apr 11 19:43:51 Hey :) Just logging to see if there's anything new, I'm working grrr... Apr 11 19:45:03