**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Apr 18 02:59:57 2011 Apr 18 03:02:42 yo yo Apr 18 03:05:36 oy oy Apr 18 03:09:16 so, Veer, eh? Apr 18 03:09:39 if there is a way to unlock it, I will buy a couple full price for some family in peru Apr 18 03:10:15 also, is there a list of blocked countries? Apr 18 03:32:40 bnceo: not sure if there is a way to unlock it (they will probably have an unlocked version, like the pre2) and idk about the countried Apr 18 03:32:52 s/countried/countries/ Apr 18 03:33:13 gotcha Apr 18 03:33:14 infobot isn't here :'( Apr 18 03:33:39 ~slap NuttyBunny Apr 18 03:38:19 bnceo: I'll take a sprint veer over a sprint pre- tho Apr 18 03:38:27 oh yeah Apr 18 03:38:41 I would so buy that for my gf. but for me first Apr 18 03:38:47 hehe Apr 18 03:38:53 but the Pre3 is my ultimate phone Apr 18 03:39:00 keyboard, big screen. it's everything I want. Apr 18 03:39:18 the fact that we saw it on VzW doesn't look good =( Apr 18 03:39:27 I know! 1.4GHz, webOS 3.0 (eventually) Apr 18 03:39:40 :/ but sprint might (might) get it... Apr 18 03:40:00 well, here's the thing. the EVO3D will be their "flagship" phone Apr 18 03:40:12 but when is that thing coming out? Apr 18 03:40:18 also, sprint does need a world phone Apr 18 03:40:24 hopefully, never Apr 18 03:40:33 they have bberry world phones Apr 18 03:40:59 yeah, I know. but not a smartphone nonBB world phone. vzw has a droid world phone Apr 18 03:41:31 in addition, why would verizon want it? They seem so busy with the ipHone 4 and their droid line that the $$ to advertise for it isn't there Apr 18 03:41:46 and if they did, it won't be longer than a 2 month hard push Apr 18 03:42:00 I know I know... vzw won't do it the justice.. Apr 18 03:42:56 it's like verizon has an identity for having droid and iphone phones. TMobile has that as well. AT&T pretty much is still iPhone only. the atrix is bleh. not much push on it Apr 18 03:43:10 sprint is the only one who hasn't fully gone all it on a phone to call their own really Apr 18 03:43:27 Evo they have Apr 18 03:43:32 its their "baby" Apr 18 03:43:44 I know. but that's really it. the shift has gotten marketing pupsh Apr 18 03:44:10 but it's early for them. verizon has like 10 droids. they have obviously fully committed Apr 18 03:44:41 and the Evo3D will get some push, and so will the EvoTab (or whatever its called) Apr 18 03:45:05 I can see the EVO Tab taking the place of the Galaxy Tab in the stores Apr 18 03:45:36 the Evo3D looks like a small refresh of the EVO with 3Dness. which I still think it's a gimmick. But people like those I guess =\ Apr 18 03:45:47 I don't know. I sorta just want summer to be here so I know what I'm going to do Apr 18 03:46:09 Sprint's been giving a huge focus on gimmicky Android stuff Apr 18 03:46:13 I know.. same here Apr 18 03:46:24 and it's the EVO View Apr 18 03:47:13 * PatrickC_Pre2 doesn't care about the Evo Poo Apr 18 03:47:50 it took the pre's thunder (what little it had) Apr 18 03:47:56 me neither. I can't see myself going android. Every one I play with is just too unpolished Apr 18 03:48:19 The EVO stole any thunder because it was the beefiest Android set on the market when it launched Apr 18 03:48:19 and I keep wanting to do gestures lol Apr 18 03:48:28 it stole thunder from most everything Apr 18 03:48:47 yup. people love big Apr 18 03:48:49 yeah... Apr 18 03:48:59 as long as HP doesn't have the sights too high on Veer sales, it should be fine Apr 18 03:48:59 big, fast, and 4G Apr 18 03:49:01 the pre3 needs a 4.4 in screen Apr 18 03:49:05 hell, take a loss on the product Apr 18 03:49:22 pre3 should be 4g Apr 18 03:49:35 I could deal without it Apr 18 03:49:47 no and it probably will be Apr 18 03:49:51 but it would make it sell Apr 18 03:49:59 that it will Apr 18 03:50:11 sineot: you think it'll be WiMax? Apr 18 03:51:22 people mentioning "Veer 4G" don't realize that ATT's "4G" is just faster UTMS or whatever Apr 18 03:51:38 no, it won't be WiMax Apr 18 03:51:42 HSPA+ Apr 18 03:51:47 ^^veer Apr 18 03:51:49 but on ATT it'll probably be marketed as a $G Apr 18 03:51:52 er 4G Apr 18 03:52:03 yeah... Apr 18 03:52:09 and it'll make it sell though Apr 18 03:52:13 and that's what we need Apr 18 04:00:43 3g/4g big deal Apr 18 04:00:48 i have broadband Apr 18 04:01:57 w00t w00t! Apr 18 04:02:51 lol Apr 18 04:13:35 night all Apr 18 04:28:23 * phil_bw wanders by Apr 18 04:28:42 * th3vo1d trips phil_bw up Apr 18 04:29:10 * phil_bw is using xchat via xorg on the Pre *with* a fully overauled keymap :) Apr 18 04:30:08 orange key, shift key, and sym key all act like they would in webos Apr 18 04:30:21 double tap shift for caps, etc Apr 18 04:30:43 cool Apr 18 04:31:11 yeah, took some screwin with but it works fantastic now Apr 18 04:31:17 keymapping! that's what would get me what I want out of xterm Apr 18 04:31:41 look [brackets] and {braces} Apr 18 04:31:42 phil_bw: hey! :D Apr 18 04:31:49 phil_bw: good work, saw your pings in my backlog Apr 18 04:31:51 sorry was out all weekend :) Apr 18 04:31:54 oh so effortless :) Apr 18 04:32:04 phil_bw: :D Apr 18 04:32:07 no prob Apr 18 04:32:09 phil_bw: you should write a wiki page about it Apr 18 04:32:13 oh this is amazing Apr 18 04:32:22 phil_bw: where is this? we should get it into the repo's and pushed and the like :) Apr 18 04:32:24 X is a whole new beast with this keymap Apr 18 04:32:39 i'm so glad. been hoping that would happen for a good while now :D Apr 18 04:33:23 i made new map files so really i just need to email them to ya, have you include them and change one line of code in the startup script Apr 18 04:33:27 yay xterm? :) Apr 18 04:33:54 phil_bw: mkay. look forward to playing with that :) Apr 18 04:34:00 one sec, moving from couch to bedroom (have a newborn laying on me Apr 18 04:38:09 back Apr 18 04:38:15 is this still connected? Apr 18 04:39:28 it was Apr 18 04:39:40 back Apr 18 04:39:50 sorry, the internet on my phone keeps going out Apr 18 04:39:52 on the laptop now Apr 18 04:40:11 bah, newborns Apr 18 04:40:54 RagingMind, yes this would work in xterm, *however* I am using a secondary package called xkbset to enable sticky keys so unless that gets bundled with the xorg binaries native X apps won't have sticky keys (apps via debian chroot with that package installed will work) Apr 18 04:42:31 phil_bw: is there a reason we couldn't build+ship xkbset? Apr 18 04:42:43 wouldn't imagine it has any challenging dependencies Apr 18 04:43:07 dtzWill, no idea, I'll experiment with dumping it into the bin folder in the current xorg install and see what happens Apr 18 04:47:32 I've done 100% of this work from my Pre itself using a combination of Terminal and Internalz text editor so it may not happen quickly Apr 18 04:53:16 is xkbset in optware Apr 18 04:53:18 ? Apr 18 04:53:39 I feel like I saw it in the Angstrom feeds years ago Apr 18 04:56:56 honestly I don't know Apr 18 04:57:27 * summatusmentis opens xterm and checks Apr 18 04:58:35 I didn't see it, but I didn't spend that much time looking for it Apr 18 04:59:36 I'm going to see if I can't dig it up, otherwise I'll just extract it from the debian Apr 18 05:00:20 I'm skeptical that extracting it from the debian one would work, it'll likely be linked against different libraries, right? Apr 18 05:00:38 not quite sure yet Apr 18 05:01:01 fair enough Apr 18 05:02:59 http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/xkbset Apr 18 05:03:02 little more info on it Apr 18 05:03:51 so it just needs libc and libx11 Apr 18 05:03:53 that's not awful Apr 18 05:04:07 it's a very lightweight binary Apr 18 05:04:32 summatusmentis: those are shipped with X stuff nayway Apr 18 05:04:34 *anyway Apr 18 05:04:43 I assumed as much Apr 18 05:04:49 summatusmentis: hehe, yes indeed sorry :) Apr 18 05:05:02 I mean, no worries :) Apr 18 05:05:19 right now I have fvwm initiating the xkbset command, so I'll have to move it to the startup script instead Apr 18 05:17:53 so I just copied the binary over from debian and ran it for the shell hell of it. it threw "error while loading shared libraries: libX11.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" Apr 18 05:19:41 phil_bw: libX11.so is in the xorg stuff, set your LD_LIBRARY_PATH properly Apr 18 05:19:48 iirc i hardcode that with -rpath or so Apr 18 05:21:24 I'm not finding it Apr 18 05:27:55 /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/org.webosinternals.xlib Apr 18 05:28:08 aha Apr 18 05:28:12 phil_bw: ^^^ Apr 18 05:28:18 ah, hehe you responded anyway Apr 18 05:28:24 it's got it's own directory, I was digging around the xorg directory Apr 18 05:46:30 dtzWill, that did it, it works just fine from the webOS side Apr 18 05:46:37 phil_bw: great :D Apr 18 05:46:49 we can just add that then ^.^ Apr 18 05:47:00 I'll dink around with it tomorrow and modify the startup script to load it automatically Apr 18 05:48:38 I'll probably just zip up the org.webosinternals.xorg-server directory and email it to you, rather than the individual changes Apr 18 05:51:14 well off to bed for me now, I'll let ya know how it goes tomorrow Apr 18 05:51:16 * phil_bw wanders off Apr 18 07:23:24 morning Apr 18 12:40:17 heyho Apr 18 12:56:16 ~seen rwhitby Apr 18 13:06:03 hm...not working Apr 18 13:18:48 Hi all Apr 18 13:19:03 issue here with Preware V5.0 on Palm Pre2 V2.1.0 Apr 18 13:19:12 when installed luna restarts randomly through the day Apr 18 13:19:32 if i remove Preware everything returns to normal - even with the preferences set to avoid WebOS bugs Apr 18 13:19:35 any ideas? Apr 18 14:41:44 * NuttyBunny walks in, trips and falls :) Apr 18 15:05:13 * NuttyBunny wonders who this "vahitali" user is on P|C Apr 18 17:27:05 idk if this has been reported yet.. preware isn't seeing my installed packages (patches/kernels included) and I have it scanning unknown packages... it used to work, but not anymore.. Apr 18 17:27:53 I want to doctor my phone back to 1.4.5 so I have a phone that I can test apps on for 1.4.5 (I have 2 2.1 phones already, this one is a 3rd that is hardly used) Apr 18 17:29:40 * phil_bw wanders by Apr 18 17:29:46 suuccccessss Apr 18 17:29:58 * PatrickC_Pre2 trips phil_bw Apr 18 17:29:59 hehe Apr 18 17:30:15 I've successfully moved xkbset to the xorg bin directory in webos Apr 18 17:30:28 cool Apr 18 17:30:31 and successfully set sticky keys from that side Apr 18 17:31:06 what this translates to: very usable keyboard in all things X including xterm (just tested it) Apr 18 17:31:34 awesome!! so, copy/paste works in xterm now? Apr 18 17:32:00 I didn't say anything about copy/paste... Apr 18 17:32:24 well, you said very usable kb.. and the kb worked before.. so.. Apr 18 17:33:04 PatrickC_Pre2: keyboard working and figuring out how to get webos to let you read/write to the copy buffer is an entirely different thing. Apr 18 17:33:17 AFAIK there are no PDK calls to accomplish such, althgouh my knowledge of such things is admitedly a tad dated Apr 18 17:33:18 ah ok. Apr 18 17:33:25 phil_bw: very fantastic work :D Apr 18 17:33:33 hello, I wabt to know when Save/Restore will be able to save Memos? Apr 18 17:33:46 dtzWill: thanks :) Apr 18 17:33:58 memos are already backed up to the palm profile TheOneric afaik Apr 18 17:34:47 dtzWill: I'll clean it all up tonight and send it to ya. I need to tweak a few more things first. Apr 18 17:35:32 then if I will change my Palm Pre firt version with WebOS 1.4.5 to Palm Pre 3, my Memos will coming? Apr 18 17:36:07 I believe so, yes. as long as you don't erase backup data iirc Apr 18 17:36:38 You beleive not sûre? Apr 18 17:37:28 I'm not 100% sure that it will transfer to webOS 3.0, but when I transferred from 1.4.5 to 2.1 they all came (I didn't erase backup data) Apr 18 17:37:36 I had the same outcome Apr 18 17:37:56 I think it's quite likely palm wouldn't destroy your profile for the switch to pre3 Apr 18 17:38:09 I suppose pre3 is running 2.x anyway Apr 18 17:38:15 so it should work the same way Apr 18 17:38:32 I don't believe they will either, but sense I'm not 100% sure, I'm not going to give false hope is it doesn't ;) Apr 18 17:38:59 indeed, there's no official answer until it comes from palm/hp Apr 18 17:39:18 yep Apr 18 17:39:47 Because if I change of Palm Pre for an other I want to keep all Memos Apr 18 17:40:02 that's sort of the point of the palm profile, so I think it's likely Apr 18 17:40:05 when I went from a Pixi- to a Pre- they all came Apr 18 17:40:13 but again, don't take that as fact, until palm says so Apr 18 17:40:17 and from a Pre+ to a Pre2 they all came Apr 18 17:40:39 * phil_bw wanders off Apr 18 17:40:44 PatrickC_Pre2: so do you have extra hardware? Apr 18 17:40:44 ok thank you Apr 18 17:40:51 bye Apr 18 17:41:10 summatusmentis: I have 3 webOS phones (4 if you count my dads pre-) Apr 18 17:41:23 dayum Apr 18 17:41:28 for dev work, I assume? Apr 18 17:41:45 2 are for dev work yep :) the other is an everyday phone Apr 18 17:41:57 yeh, ok Apr 18 17:42:49 and the everyday phone is tweaked just as much as the dev phones are, and is running 2.1 :) (I haven't done a frankenpre2 yet) Apr 18 17:43:26 I've been keeping my eyes open for a pre+/pre2 to put my sprint comms board in Apr 18 17:43:55 I'm hoping pre3 is comms board compat also, assuming it doesn't come to sprint Apr 18 17:44:19 yeah.. same here. I hope rwhitby can work his magic with it ;) Apr 18 17:45:08 if they can get doctors, and assuming it's compat, I'm sure they can get it working Apr 18 17:46:23 I hope they can.. Apr 18 17:46:42 ideally it'd be on sprint Apr 18 17:47:47 ideally, the pre+ would be naively on sprint Apr 18 17:48:09 well, we're past that point Apr 18 17:50:20 I know.. but ideally, it would have happened Apr 18 17:50:34 yes, I agree Apr 18 17:54:08 they should at least get the veer, but they wont.. Apr 18 18:04:49 I highly doubt the pre3 comboard will be swappable with the older phones. I suppose it's possible, but I highly doubt it Apr 18 18:05:08 idk if this has been reported yet.. preware isn't seeing my installed packages (patches/kernels included) and I have it scanning unknown packages... it used to work, but not anymore.. Apr 18 18:05:15 I want to doctor my phone back to 1.4.5 so I have a phone that I can test apps on for 1.4.5 (I have 2 2.1 phones already, this one is a 3rd that is hardly used) Apr 18 18:06:23 PatrickC_Pre2, there's a tool you can install in preware that can fix borked package index files Apr 18 18:07:38 ok, thanks I'll look for it Apr 18 18:09:42 I installed Emergency Reconstruction Utility, and I'm updating the feeds now Apr 18 18:10:25 thanks!! it looks like it worked!! Apr 18 18:59:01 hello Apr 18 19:00:08 I have a real quick question... If anyone could assist me or point me in the right direction, then that would be great!!! Apr 18 19:05:45 hello. anybody here?? Apr 18 19:07:24 never ask to ask Apr 18 19:08:14 people are here. just ask your question Apr 18 19:08:35 im unable to locate the SAVE/RESTORE on preware for my Sprint Pre WebOS 1.4.5. Is it still available? Apr 18 19:09:02 it is, I use it all the time Apr 18 19:09:45 it should be in preware Apr 18 19:10:20 is it an app that I download from preware? or a feature from within preware? I just cant seem to find it, even when using the search mode... Apr 18 19:10:38 its an app Apr 18 19:11:29 im begining to get the feeling it is no longer available for pre(minus) or anything below webos 2.x Apr 18 19:11:40 it is Apr 18 19:11:52 what feeds are you loading? Apr 18 19:12:39 i know im load all the basic feeds including webos internals Apr 18 19:13:23 rwhitby, halfhalo: can you confirm that save/restore is still in preware for 1.4.5? Apr 18 19:15:06 or someone on 1.4.5? I'm doctoring back to 1.4.5 now.. so I don't have 1.4.5 device atm Apr 18 19:15:41 thx PatrickC_Pre2 for looking into it!!! Apr 18 19:15:53 np Apr 18 19:16:41 ive been searching P|C, wiki, google but no mention off it being taken down or disappearing. Apr 18 19:16:59 yeah.. that's weird.. Apr 18 19:18:00 im no expert at coding, linux, or makin homebrew apps, but locating apps should be simple enough... lol Apr 18 19:18:52 lol Apr 18 19:20:54 what device do you have? Apr 18 19:22:50 Doctor is running :'( Apr 18 19:23:14 oem sprint pre (minus) Apr 18 19:23:45 why aren't you on 2.1? might I ask.. Apr 18 19:23:48 np... im at work... lol Apr 18 19:24:24 how come you haven't made the switch to 2.1? its quite easy :) Apr 18 19:24:28 and worth it Apr 18 19:24:42 idk... lol i was just looking at that... i need a new battery.. (apparently batt failed the batt test at the sprint store) Apr 18 19:25:13 they should have given you a new one iirc Apr 18 19:25:25 they did with me and my pixi (a while ago) Apr 18 19:25:40 they did have one... Apr 18 19:25:52 and they didn't give it to you? lol Apr 18 19:26:08 didn't** Apr 18 19:26:08 they are about $3 on amazon though Apr 18 19:26:17 ah ok Apr 18 19:26:25 $5.00 15 min drive Apr 18 19:26:29 i may pick one up today or tomorrow Apr 18 19:26:50 cool, but if you can't, they are like $3 on amazon with free shipping :) Apr 18 19:27:36 nice... thx... repair guy had a weird excuse as to why my headset wasn't working... only the speakerphone... Apr 18 19:28:42 so i wanna get the batt and the regular handset fixed before i make the move to 2.1 Apr 18 19:29:40 ah ok Apr 18 19:30:07 is that what you did?? Apr 18 19:30:26 on 2 of my devices yes, and I have a pre2 Rich already had 2.1 :) Apr 18 19:30:34 s/Rich/which/ Apr 18 19:30:53 infobot still hasn't returned :'( Apr 18 19:32:54 sorry i really havent kept up recently, but your pre2 is the one that involves switching the comm boards from rich dunbar's tutorial?? Apr 18 19:33:30 I can do that, but I haven't yet Apr 18 19:35:26 so i can go to 2.x without switching the hardware??? Apr 18 19:35:36 yes Apr 18 19:35:45 I'll get a link Apr 18 19:35:45 that i did not know... Apr 18 19:36:25 http://en.m.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_2_Upgrade?wasRedirected=true Apr 18 19:36:38 ^^ there you go t3k_no_ Apr 18 19:36:41 i was looking at the Sprint Pre Tutorial on webos-internals... Apr 18 19:36:59 thx!!! Apr 18 19:37:44 np, and it no longer works on windows. so Ubuntu is required (you might be able to use OSX, but I don't know) Apr 18 19:40:53 let me know if that is what you were looking for :) Apr 18 19:40:59 yea, i just noticed you need ubuntu Apr 18 19:41:18 which im not sure what it is... but ill find out... lol :D Apr 18 19:41:46 follow the meta-doctor page Apr 18 19:41:56 and Ubuntu is a free Linux distro, an OS Apr 18 19:42:21 sweet... i always wanted to learn linux... Apr 18 19:42:56 yep, and you can install it in a VBox if you don't want a long-term commitment to Ubuntu Apr 18 19:44:26 lol Apr 18 19:45:02 the 2.0 upgrade says to run the SaveRestore app... lol Apr 18 19:45:50 yep :) Apr 18 19:46:12 I can answer that question for you in a few (I'm doctoring one of my devices back to 1.4.5 Apr 18 19:46:43 nice... thx... really appreciate it.. how many devices do you have?? Apr 18 19:47:55 3 (4 if you count my dads) Apr 18 19:50:06 nice... i only wish there was a bigger following... Apr 18 19:50:57 I show all my friends and family the possibilities, just in stock mode, plus all the apps and the PATCHES... Apr 18 19:51:02 yeah.. Apr 18 19:51:17 the Patches + OCing, make the OS Apr 18 19:51:49 they all say their oohhs and ahhss... but never enough to make a switch... Apr 18 19:51:58 yup.. Apr 18 19:52:43 well, if they are on sprint.. I wouldn't switch either... Apr 18 19:53:26 HTML tutorial is coming along.. 4 chapters down, at least 5 to go.. Apr 18 19:56:06 once sec... brb Apr 18 19:56:13 kk Apr 18 19:59:00 k.. back... boss checking in.. lol Apr 18 19:59:55 lol Apr 18 19:59:57 yea, actually im the only one on sprint... everybody else is either att iphone, verizon android or blackberry... Apr 18 20:00:14 :/ Apr 18 20:00:41 except for mom and sis whose on t-mobile... Apr 18 20:01:40 ive greatly considered the HTC evo 4G, but i just can't part from webos just yet... Apr 18 20:07:17 I'm lucky, I have both:) Apr 18 20:07:32 evo 4g and palm pre 2 Apr 18 20:07:56 * PatrickC_Pre2 steals pre2 Apr 18 20:08:01 lol Apr 18 20:08:20 wait, is it on sprint? Apr 18 20:08:25 nice... Apr 18 20:08:27 just waiting for my pre 3;) Apr 18 20:08:28 lucky sob... lol Apr 18 20:08:32 nope, at&t Apr 18 20:08:49 * PatrickC_Pre2 gives pre2 back and takes evo Apr 18 20:08:56 evo 4g on att?? Apr 18 20:09:02 pre 2 did not come out for sprint, only unlocked gsm and verizon Apr 18 20:09:15 but you can make it run on sprint Apr 18 20:09:20 no, evo is my personal phone, pre 2 is my work phone on at&t Apr 18 20:09:36 got it... Apr 18 20:10:45 i should have all 3 palm/hp devices in hand soon for testing Apr 18 20:12:02 so, you are getting a pixi? Apr 18 20:12:03 i just want the pre3 in my hands already... Apr 18 20:12:04 I'll say this, the pre 2 is what the pre should have been, very fast Apr 18 20:12:16 I have a pixi plus, just don't use it Apr 18 20:17:59 im sorry to say that the pixi was not appealing at all... lol Apr 18 20:18:13 I agree Apr 18 20:18:23 i love the slide-out keyboard on the pre... Apr 18 20:18:27 not to mention, really under powered Apr 18 20:18:37 I'm really looking forward to the pre 3 Apr 18 20:18:41 and the touchpad Apr 18 20:19:12 it was even better when i used the patch to hide the launcher icons thing lol Apr 18 20:20:08 on drunken adventures, friends would have a hard time trying to figure out how to open the slider Apr 18 20:20:46 but once they did, they didnt know how to get to the apps, messaging, facebook or twitter accounts... lol Apr 18 20:21:44 yea, there is a learning curve, but webos guestures are very functional Apr 18 20:21:51 my fav mobile os by far Apr 18 20:22:00 just needs more dev support and apps Apr 18 20:22:19 i'll shut up now, Evo channel, LOL Apr 18 20:23:20 this is very useful when they are trying to get payback... i once logged in to my friends facebook app on the iphone and "he" confessed to the world that he was gay... all while he was drunk and passed out.. lol Apr 18 20:23:42 lol Apr 18 20:24:06 nice Apr 18 20:42:58 hello Apr 18 20:43:53 HI Apr 18 21:00:09 evening Apr 18 21:00:13 flash failures :( Apr 18 21:00:15 WARNING: Flash Failure Apr 18 21:00:15 java.net.SocketException: Broken pipe from file:///sbin/trenchcoat, return code: 1 Apr 18 21:00:24 when doctoring a pre2 .. any ideas? Apr 18 21:02:32 mmm... could you pastebin the log from your doctor? Apr 18 21:19:37 Who wants to help me out by testing the RC of my on-device ipk-fetcher Apr 18 21:19:57 It creates and installs a dummy package that can then be updated to the full version Apr 18 21:20:09 eg for those with no app cat access or for geo-restricted apps Apr 18 21:20:18 (doesn't work for paid apps) Apr 18 21:21:31 RC?? Apr 18 21:21:42 release candidate Apr 18 21:22:21 gotcha.. Apr 18 21:22:50 newbie here... Apr 18 21:23:02 perfect Apr 18 21:23:04 prerequisites?? Apr 18 21:23:10 Preware Apr 18 21:23:14 got that Apr 18 21:23:19 ipk: http://ompldr.org/vOGJzZg/com.mgschu.dummy_1.0.3_all.ipk sourcecode: http://gitorious.org/mgschu/dummy Apr 18 21:23:27 i can test too :) Apr 18 21:23:41 install the ipk Apr 18 21:23:52 nuttybunny: flashing from 2.0.0 to 2.1 fails, but to 2.0.1 works Apr 18 21:24:20 on first launch it will detect if the app is jailed and may ask you to install a patch, and will then reboot Apr 18 21:24:49 when it runs properly, enter an app id (try com.sfr.sfrtv for those with catalog access) and click make Apr 18 21:25:16 swisstomcat: And from 2.0.1 to 2.1? do you have the log? :) Apr 18 21:26:52 it's still doing the 2.0.1 doctor process Apr 18 21:28:18 one sec... brb Apr 18 21:29:36 swisstomcat: Did you try several times? I once had a weird error that disappeared the next time I doctored Apr 18 21:29:55 yeah, many times Apr 18 21:29:58 on two machines Apr 18 21:30:05 now the 2.0.1 to 2.1 seems to work as well Apr 18 21:30:07 strange Apr 18 21:35:12 weird, official doctor, right? Apr 18 21:35:17 yeah Apr 18 21:35:44 mmm... could that be some of the things Palm fixed on 2.0.1? :) Apr 18 21:35:51 maybe Apr 18 21:35:59 broken pipe errors in trenchcoat Apr 18 21:36:02 whatever that means Apr 18 21:36:18 you might offer a cigarette Apr 18 21:36:20 ;) Apr 18 21:36:42 hehe Apr 18 21:36:51 no, a broken pipe error happens when you're running a program "piped", through another one (maybe novacom), and it just quits, that's why I was asking you if you had the full log, to see what happened before :) Apr 18 21:37:13 trenchcoat exited with error 1 Apr 18 21:37:17 or something like that Apr 18 21:37:49 did 2.0.0 have the old lvm layout? Apr 18 21:39:31 goodn8 everyone Apr 18 21:39:45 t3k_no_: any luck? Apr 18 21:39:51 goodnight Apr 18 22:12:54 sorry mgschu... Apr 18 22:13:01 still at work... had to leave... Apr 18 22:13:25 np Apr 18 22:14:52 dl/installing right now... Apr 18 22:14:54 done Apr 18 22:15:25 do i need a luna restart?? Apr 18 22:15:51 DummyMaker Apr 18 22:16:01 love the icon Apr 18 22:16:03 lol Apr 18 22:16:10 It should tell you if you need to Apr 18 22:16:47 "error: com.mgschu.dummy.srv is not running." Apr 18 22:16:57 hello friends Apr 18 22:17:15 did it launch preware to install the patch? Apr 18 22:17:17 app seems to be running tho... Apr 18 22:17:45 no Apr 18 22:17:48 Which webos version are you on? Apr 18 22:17:53 145 Apr 18 22:17:57 1.4.5. Apr 18 22:18:16 sorry, 2.1.0 only. It's a javascript (not Java) service Apr 18 22:18:46 got it.. thats why i asked for prerequisites... lol Apr 18 22:19:37 still tryin to get on 2.1.0, but i need the Save/Restore app first... which i cant seem to locate on preware... Apr 18 22:20:33 So I got my GSM Pre2 back from repair, and it boots up into a screen called "Tool Central" with a buncg of diagnostic tests Apr 18 22:20:48 is there a way I can get it to *not* do this so I could re-doctor the phone? Apr 18 22:21:17 Boot into flash mode? Apr 18 22:21:34 actually I think I might have it going now. Apr 18 22:21:39 thanks tho Apr 18 22:25:45 summatusmentis: pre3 comms board is not compatible Apr 18 22:26:36 * NuttyBunny greets rwhitby Apr 18 22:27:40 nor is the pre3 battery.. which makes me sad Apr 18 22:28:40 is this confirmed by hp??? Apr 18 22:28:57 really?? Apr 18 22:29:17 why would it need to be? Apr 18 22:29:23 the form factor is completely different Apr 18 22:29:26 just curious... batt i could care less for... but the comm board is of interest... Apr 18 22:30:55 t3k_no_: it is confirmed by my eyes Apr 18 22:31:13 lol thx Apr 18 22:31:37 i only wish i could say the same... Apr 18 22:32:16 five minutes looking at the Pre3 and it's pretty obvious the guts are going to be completely different in layout :p Apr 18 22:32:18 so do I. my time with it was very limited. Apr 18 22:33:56 i can only imagine the scene from pulp fiction when the fellas are looking inside the briefcase, which no-one outside the film ever gets to see... Apr 18 22:34:00 you got to see it when you were in SF, rwhitby? Apr 18 22:38:54 SineOt: I would rather not disclose where. Apr 18 22:39:10 ah, at the secret moonbase! ;) Apr 18 22:42:22 hahaha Apr 18 22:42:23 you gotta love rwhitby's way of doing things, always so proper.. hehehe Apr 18 22:42:23 dr. evil's lair... Apr 18 22:43:26 the small size of the veer is due to it being assembled on the moon ;o Apr 18 22:43:59 zero-g manufacturing allows for smaller devices to be grown from a substrate ;o Apr 18 22:44:47 oompa loompa's??? Apr 18 22:44:56 I heard they are smaller than oompa loompas Apr 18 22:45:25 to save on space since moonbase property is so expensive, it's actually just hands Apr 18 22:45:33 hands connected to vats Apr 18 22:45:39 no need for the rest of the person! Apr 18 22:47:40 * NuttyBunny thinks of "Thing" Apr 18 23:01:27 so, new app called Dummymaker Apr 18 23:01:31 me like Apr 18 23:01:45 doesn't help me, cause I'm US. but for others, awesome Apr 18 23:01:47 does it work for you? Apr 18 23:02:06 I haven't tried yet Apr 18 23:02:18 I don't need it. it's for people in geo restricted markets Apr 18 23:03:52 I'll use to recover my epocrates app that deleted by mistake :) Apr 18 23:03:54 brl Apr 18 23:13:54 t3k_no_: did you ever figure it out? Apr 18 23:26:54 nope... Apr 18 23:27:10 hey patrick.... Apr 18 23:27:17 thought i almost missed you... Apr 18 23:27:32 negative on the Save/Restore... Apr 18 23:27:35 hay t3k_no_: nope, you didn't :) Apr 18 23:27:47 ok, give me about 5 min.. I'm gonna need it too :) Apr 18 23:27:56 lol k Apr 18 23:28:08 man, 1.4.5 is fast when there is no crap on it :p Apr 18 23:30:28 lol hmm that may very be my next issue after fixin the batt and the headset... lol Apr 18 23:30:55 what? running fast? or making no crap on it :p Apr 18 23:33:07 getting all this crap off of it... lol Apr 18 23:33:23 lol Apr 18 23:33:46 FYI: i just finished d/ling ubuntu... lol Apr 18 23:33:55 yay!! Apr 18 23:33:57 damn dsl... Apr 18 23:34:44 lol.. how fast? Apr 18 23:34:53 and Save/Restore is available for me on 1.4.5 Apr 18 23:35:30 its suppose to be 1.5 mb down, but im clocking in at 700kb or so.. Apr 18 23:35:35 wut??? Apr 18 23:35:53 preware v 1.5.7?? Apr 18 23:36:04 wut directory? or how? Apr 18 23:37:18 I typed save at the home screen and hit enter lol Apr 18 23:37:58 that's wut ive been doing all along and no results for save/restore Apr 18 23:38:38 weird Apr 18 23:39:17 maybe uninstall/reinstall preware? Apr 18 23:39:36 hmm... possibly.. oil: ping!! Apr 18 23:39:54 unless its not loading the webos-internals feed properly... Apr 18 23:39:57 hay oil :) Apr 18 23:42:37 rwhitby: is there any reason save/restore would show up in one person's preware, but not someone elses? Apr 18 23:43:20 yes, the second person has stuffed their preware installation Apr 18 23:43:32 ??? Apr 18 23:44:39 my phone says Palm again :D Apr 18 23:45:02 "stuffed"?? Apr 18 23:45:08 rwhitby: t3k_no_ is the one who stuffed his preware installation Apr 18 23:45:13 could you elaborate?? Apr 18 23:45:39 if Preware can't see Save/Restore, then your preware install or feed downloading or feed management is incorrect. Apr 18 23:45:47 e.g. "stuffed" Apr 18 23:46:03 okay Apr 18 23:46:21 how do i go about fixing or correcting this? Apr 18 23:46:38 uninstall/re-install? Apr 18 23:46:45 http://install.preware.org/ Apr 18 23:46:49 or preware settings? Apr 18 23:46:51 the reason its not working is that patrick keeps pinging oil for everything Apr 18 23:47:05 lol Apr 18 23:47:17 lol Apr 18 23:47:18 oil: yes, that could be the reason. especially when he pings both of us Apr 18 23:47:24 time for some tough love? Apr 18 23:47:36 * PatrickC_Pre2 hides Apr 18 23:47:41 * halfhalo just ignores the pings now Apr 18 23:47:51 * oil has been Apr 18 23:48:20 ignore harder! Apr 18 23:49:01 this problem has been going on sense this morning, and I was just trying to help :) Apr 18 23:49:02 oil, i could write a ping bot, whenever oil,ping was seen it would respond with do not ping oil Apr 18 23:49:27 lol Apr 18 23:52:29 there's already a bot, can't we just put it to work? Apr 18 23:52:45 the problem isn't exactly the pinging Apr 18 23:53:02 its being pinged for every little thing i know nothing about Apr 18 23:53:24 oil, ping Apr 18 23:53:25 * Loudergood sends PatrickC_Pre2 a copy of the boy who cried wolf Apr 18 23:53:34 * oil slaps PuffTheMagic Apr 18 23:53:45 Loudergood: I haven't seen infobot in like 2-3 days.. Apr 18 23:53:52 * PuffTheMagic is glad his irc client does not make noise on alters Apr 18 23:53:53 ~botsnack Apr 18 23:53:53 halfhalo: thanks Apr 18 23:53:54 alerts Apr 18 23:54:23 there he is.. he wasn't here yesterday, or this morning Apr 18 23:54:34 infobot: hi Apr 18 23:54:35 hello, patrickc_pre2 Apr 18 23:55:12 infobot, PatrickC_Pre2's elevator does not go all the way to the top floor Apr 18 23:55:35 awww i fail at teaching infobot Apr 18 23:55:35 it stops at the first and second floors only Apr 18 23:55:37 zing! Apr 18 23:59:32 GOT IT!!! Apr 18 23:59:41 rwhitby: installing the ipk with a postinst stops it from populating the launcher until after a luna restart Apr 18 23:59:57 faulty preware install... Apr 19 00:00:50 THANK YOU PatrickC_Pre2 & rwhitby!!!!! Apr 19 00:01:01 it was all rwhitby Apr 19 00:01:03 mgschu: why would you install an ipk with a postinst? Apr 19 00:01:31 clarification: the ipk contains a postinst Apr 19 00:01:54 yea, but witout you, i wouldnt have gotten to rwhitby... Apr 19 00:01:58 then you're doing something wrong Apr 19 00:02:41 my first time ever on an irc... and you responded first... u got the ball rolling for me... Apr 19 00:03:01 THANK YOU!! THANK YOU!! THANK YOU!! THANK YOU!! THANK YOU!! Apr 19 00:03:39 your welcome? lol Apr 19 00:04:39 plus, bcuz of you i now know that i can go from 1.4.5 to 2.x without the comm board hardware swap... Apr 19 00:04:42 for including a postinst, or because it isn't working? Apr 19 00:05:39 t3k_no_: its easy too :) Apr 19 00:08:11 will do... i dont think i will have time today, time to go home, deposit $$ get gas, food, laundry, gf... lol Apr 19 00:09:06 "PatrickC_Pre2" is always you IRC handle? Apr 19 00:09:18 the commboard swap isn't that bad either, have you done it yet PatrickC_Pre2? Apr 19 00:09:29 Loudergood: not yet Apr 19 00:09:30 he's always some variation on PatrickC Apr 19 00:09:38 t3k_no_: ^^ yep Apr 19 00:09:43 do you have the screwdriver yet? Apr 19 00:09:53 I don't believe so.. lol Apr 19 00:10:00 because I'm really happy with the second one I purchased Apr 19 00:10:06 the first one I got off amazon was crap Apr 19 00:10:19 I'm gonna take apart my vzw pre+ first, use I don't care if I bork that one :p Apr 19 00:10:21 the bits rounded almost immediately Apr 19 00:10:58 this one is nice and cheap though http://www.lowes.com/pd_239384-16878-60272_0__?productId=1067905&Ntt=torx+&pl=1¤tURL=%2Fpl__0__s%3FNtt%3Dtorx%2B Apr 19 00:11:01 and solid Apr 19 00:11:41 thanks Apr 19 00:12:44 though the guys who shelved it at lowes were clearly confused Apr 19 00:13:00 how come? lol Apr 19 00:13:05 there were about six 8 in 1 phillips drivers in front of it Apr 19 00:13:14 lol Apr 19 00:13:19 mgschu: many homebrew apps, including preware, include a postinst and have no problems with the launcher. Apr 19 00:13:23 I found it by the tag and then I dug for it. Apr 19 00:13:45 mgschu: hence the problem is in your package, not the general concept of including a postinst Apr 19 00:15:22 got it. structure should be ipk>control.tar.gz>./pmPostInstall.script yes? Apr 19 00:31:59 * NuttyBunny takes his popcorn back to enjoy the fight (@webosinternals vs the angry nerds) ;) Apr 19 00:34:42 what angry nerds? lol Apr 19 00:35:03 mgschu: the hello git repo has full build scripts included Apr 19 00:36:41 * rwhitby goes to theme park with kids Apr 19 00:37:42 rwhitby: I'm using ipkg-build Apr 19 01:18:15 sweet... Apr 19 01:18:41 wIRC does exactly wut it advertises... Apr 19 01:19:26 wIRC is great, as is Freetether!!!!! // cc PuffTheMagic :) Apr 19 01:19:55 not only does it do it, it does it well Apr 19 01:20:19 "using it in the crapper" lol Apr 19 01:20:51 gross Apr 19 01:20:55 sorry... I know is TMI, but it seriously says that when u first open it... Apr 19 01:21:36 hahaha Apr 19 01:21:39 mmm.. it's random :) Apr 19 01:21:41 it says many different things Apr 19 01:21:55 its chosen from like 10 different things iirc Apr 19 01:22:16 nuttybunny: how's the compiling coming? Apr 19 01:22:53 Patrick: I've been cleaning up certain 2.1 pixi backup files :P (and working.. ugh) Apr 19 01:23:06 NuttyBunny, you got the backup files? :) Apr 19 01:23:10 so, you are working on getting 2.1 on a pixi?? Apr 19 01:23:41 yup, wanna help? help me get a Pixi :) Apr 19 01:23:51 I have a pixi Apr 19 01:24:01 but that doesn't help as much Apr 19 01:24:11 I would help, but I don't have a pixi anymore :'( Apr 19 01:25:55 We're looking to buy this one, it's in Mexico: http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pixi/280300-hp-webos2-1-pixi-wild-update-full-photos-5.html#post2940309 , it ends in 1 hour Apr 19 01:31:17 I liked the form factor of my centro, the pixi is sort of a compelling device Apr 19 02:03:34 wIRC is very awesome Apr 19 02:03:45 hard on batteries tho Apr 19 02:04:12 NuttyBunny: you said you want a GSM pixi? Apr 19 02:04:23 unlocked or does it need to be specific mexico version? Apr 19 02:08:11 I didn't know Webos-internals had a reddit subreddit Apr 19 02:08:44 bnceo: unlocked would work, in fact I plan to unlock the one we're trying to buy :) Apr 19 02:09:01 gonna look on craigslist in my area Apr 19 02:09:10 would the AT&T one work for ya? Apr 19 02:09:16 yep Apr 19 02:09:46 I found several on ebay, but with shipping to Mexico they way more expensive than the one we're after Apr 19 02:10:00 s/they way/they came way/ Apr 19 02:10:01 NuttyBunny meant: I found several on ebay, but with shipping to Mexico they came way more expensive than the one we're after Apr 19 02:10:03 what price are you looking at so far? Lowest that is Apr 19 02:10:24 and how much is shipping to mexico? Apr 19 02:11:50 we're shooting for below 190 dlls , shipped. Most people tend to ship to Mexico for $20-30 dlls Apr 19 02:12:49 you have 13 minutes :D Apr 19 02:13:27 PM me your paypal info Apr 19 02:13:32 I'll help out some Apr 19 02:19:51 I heard the APN settings were accessable in 2.1. How do I go about that? Apr 19 02:20:55 Phone>Preferences Apr 19 02:21:17 APN? Apr 19 02:21:56 Just thought I would try to find it on my Sprint Pre. I'm helping a fellow with getting his Pre 2 onto the Fido network. Apr 19 02:22:09 I don't see it, but that might be because Im connected to sprint Apr 19 02:22:37 maybe, I'm GSM Apr 19 02:22:55 It shows up in GSM? Thats all I needed to know :) Apr 19 02:23:03 I'm GSM and CDMA :) Apr 19 02:23:23 Manual Settings toggle, below Data Usage Apr 19 02:23:36 PatrickC_Pre2 making a world phone! Apr 19 02:23:43 Just glad that its there. I have CDMA so that option is hidden. Apr 19 02:23:53 ah cool Apr 19 02:24:04 * PatrickC_Pre2 needs to learn how to do that for a friend Apr 19 02:24:17 Do what? Apr 19 02:25:17 unlock a phone Apr 19 02:25:21 So I got word that Palm is getting another batch of Pre2's for the developer program in the next couple of weeks Apr 19 02:25:38 This is the fellow: http://www.reddit.com/r/Palm/comments/gs7wf/need_some_help/ Apr 19 02:25:39 s/unlock/make a att phone into/ Apr 19 02:25:40 PatrickC_Pre2 meant: make a att phone into a phone Apr 19 02:26:00 world phone* Apr 19 02:33:22 So, I won the Pixi... :S Apr 19 02:37:11 ok, my gf is going to kill me Apr 19 02:37:23 I'll have to inherit the Pixi once it has 2.1 :S Apr 19 02:41:27 what do you mean you'll have to inherit it? lol Apr 19 02:46:50 I'll have to give it to her.. hehehe (when she finds out that I "bought" it) :D Apr 19 02:47:14 brb Apr 19 02:48:09 lol **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Apr 19 02:59:57 2011