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Apr 23 03:05:54 <NickNick> i couldn't find what you're talking about, PatrickC_Pre2... pointer?
Apr 23 03:06:11 <NickNick> i found this: /var/palm/user-dock-mode-launcher-positions.json
Apr 23 03:06:39 <PatrickC_Pre2> I forget the addon, NuttyBunny told me iirc
Apr 23 03:06:43 <PatrickC_Pre2> I'll check
Apr 23 03:06:52 <NickNick> seems to show which exhibition modes are enabled
Apr 23 03:07:13 <PatrickC_Pre2> which exhibition mode's are enabled?
Apr 23 03:07:37 <NickNick> com.palm.dockclock
Apr 23 03:07:38 <PatrickC_Pre2> NickNick: the "SQLite Manager" addon for firefox
Apr 23 03:08:01 <NickNick> com.appsotutely.nightstand_default
Apr 23 03:08:13 <NickNick> and com.palm.app.agendaview_default
Apr 23 03:12:48 <PatrickC_Pre2> fake_battery = false
Apr 23 03:12:48 <PatrickC_Pre2> ?
Apr 23 03:13:36 <Loudergood> emulator
Apr 23 03:13:55 <PatrickC_Pre2> I found that on my phone
Apr 23 03:14:20 <SineOt> yup
Apr 23 03:14:25 <SineOt> pretty sure it's for the emulator
Apr 23 03:16:08 <PatrickC_Pre2> brb
Apr 23 03:21:57 <PatrickC_Pre2> I'm gonna look at some core sys files tonight/tomorrow, and see what I an find
Apr 23 03:24:31 <NickNick> got sqlite manager working. thanks PatrickC_Pre2
Apr 23 03:25:01 <PatrickC_Pre2> np
Apr 23 03:25:10 <NickNick> the com.palm.systemservice/prefsDB.sl only has one line in it: networkTimeEnabled
Apr 23 03:25:12 <NickNick> not what i want
Apr 23 03:25:47 <PatrickC_Pre2> :/
Apr 23 03:27:30 <NickNick> i guess i'm surprised it doesn't have more... i thought it would have the voice dial disable as well
Apr 23 03:28:43 <PatrickC_Pre2> where is luna stored?
Apr 23 03:29:32 <NickNick> what do you mean?
Apr 23 03:29:41 <SineOt> in the moon for a thousand years
Apr 23 03:29:45 <SineOt> </my little pony>
Apr 23 03:30:02 <PatrickC_Pre2> Luna for webos :p
Apr 23 03:30:05 <NickNick> i found a path for 1.4.5, but it was different for 2.1, as far as i could tell
Apr 23 03:30:43 <NickNick> maybe /var/luna
Apr 23 03:31:10 <NickNick> what are .db files viewable with?
Apr 23 03:31:32 <PatrickC_Pre2> notepad iirf
Apr 23 03:31:36 <PatrickC_Pre2> iirc*
Apr 23 03:40:22 <NickNick> ok, so there is nothing in /var/luna/preferences/systemprefs.db
Apr 23 03:41:03 <NickNick> can anyone suggest where i might find what controls charger/dock behavior?
Apr 23 03:41:08 <NuttyBunny> some of the .db files in 2.0 are berkley db files, and there's no editor for them, supposedly they're very easy to handle but you have to program your own interface :@
Apr 23 03:41:18 <RagingMind> my brain just short circuited
Apr 23 03:41:31 <NickNick> that systemprefs.db opened fine with the sqlite manager
Apr 23 03:41:47 <NickNick> RagingMind: not because i said something dum i hope
Apr 23 03:41:50 <NuttyBunny> NickNick: I think that is hardcoded in powerd, so, that would be a bit hard to touch
Apr 23 03:41:57 <NickNick> suck
Apr 23 03:42:21 <NuttyBunny> NickNick: Yep, systemprefs.db is a sqlite db file, there are others around in 2.x, that won't open in sqlite manager :(
Apr 23 03:42:34 <NuttyBunny> I found several when trying to clean certain 2.1 backup ;)
Apr 23 03:42:57 <RagingMind> NickNick, No.  It wasn't you at all.  Just a piece of history that I learned that I'm surprised I never learned before
Apr 23 03:59:08 <NickNick> is there another likely candidate for where there might be a disable value for exhibition (since systemprefs.db turned up zilch)?
Apr 23 04:07:29 <NickNick> i suppose if it were that easy someone would have done it already :)
Apr 23 04:07:56 <rwhitby> it could be an activity
Apr 23 04:08:11 <NickNick> can you elaborate?
Apr 23 04:12:21 <rwhitby> https://developer.palm.com/content/api/reference/data-types/activity-manager.html#activity
Apr 23 04:12:54 <NickNick> thanks
Apr 23 04:12:57 <RagingMind> not enough people in here hang out in #mobile-watercooler
Apr 23 04:27:40 <NickNick> so impostah conveniently shows activities, but i can't use it when it's in exhibition mode. How do i see what activities are running from CLI?
Apr 23 04:28:24 <NuttyBunny> could you export the log?
Apr 23 04:30:08 <NickNick> NuttyBunny: which log?
Apr 23 04:30:32 <NuttyBunny> I think you can export what lumberjack captures
Apr 23 04:31:02 <renancoelho> Hi, today I talked to some very helpful people here. One of them told me I could use the palm plus on page plus. however I cannot create a profile. will they help me with that? Or do I have to bypass activation somehow first?
Apr 23 04:31:17 <NickNick> NuttyBunny: ah, yes. duh. thanks.
Apr 23 04:32:00 <PatrickC_Pre2> renancoelho: what are you trying to do?
Apr 23 04:33:23 <renancoelho> I want to use my verizon palm plus(bought of e-bay) on either metro pcs or page plus. but I cant even set a profile.
Apr 23 04:34:14 <RagingMind> renancoelho, bypass activation (don't worry about a profile yet) and then get it running on your data network
Apr 23 04:34:38 <RagingMind> after that the profile bit should just work (as far as I know)  :)
Apr 23 04:35:56 <renancoelho> RagingMind: how to bypass? with meta-doctor? I see palm themselves have a tool to bypass, but using their tool you're stuck in developer mode and can't use it as a phone(it seems).
Apr 23 04:36:21 <RagingMind> renancoelho, that's the point...
Apr 23 04:37:02 <SineOt> meta doctor it and just be easy on it
Apr 23 04:37:18 <RagingMind> if you're going to use it on an un-supported network you have to get it on that network first
Apr 23 04:37:45 <renancoelho> RagingMind: how do I do that?
Apr 23 04:37:48 <NuttyBunny> gotta go people, nice talking to you :D
Apr 23 04:37:54 <PatrickC_Pre2> cya
Apr 23 04:38:10 <RagingMind> renancoelho, that's for you or the metropcs people to do
Apr 23 04:38:15 <RagingMind> NuttyBunny, ta ta
Apr 23 04:41:07 <renancoelho> RagingMind: Can they do that without me having a profile on the phone? and if they do that without me having a profile, once I bypass activation will it mess up what the people at metro will do?
Apr 23 04:42:31 <renancoelho> Or once they set it up on their network, will I then be able to activate it as usual?
Apr 23 04:42:31 <PatrickC_Pre2> bypassing activation skips the activation.. thus rendering the phone part useless.. afaik
Apr 23 04:43:01 <RagingMind> renancoelho, i don't think anyone here can speak for what they can and can't do, I'd go ask them
Apr 23 04:43:01 <PatrickC_Pre2> you should be able to activate it on their network as usual would be my guess.. though I'm not 100%
Apr 23 04:43:41 <RagingMind> PatrickC_Pre2, bypassing activation *may* be useful if the unlock software requires developer access
Apr 23 04:43:47 <RagingMind> he needs to ask them to find out
Apr 23 04:44:10 <PatrickC_Pre2> true, I haven't unlocked a phone, which is why I wasn't 100% :)
Apr 23 04:46:19 <PatrickC_Pre2> wow.. people on the forums are stupid...
Apr 23 04:46:33 <PatrickC_Pre2>  /ignore zacky59
Apr 23 04:58:30 <NickNick> PatrickC_Sleepin: i at least zacky59 is hilariously stupid though
Apr 23 04:58:31 <NickNick> :)
Apr 23 04:58:40 <NickNick> ok, i'm burned for today
Apr 23 04:58:52 <NickNick> no luck on disabling exhibition
Apr 23 04:58:55 <NickNick> good night
Apr 23 07:14:25 <th3vo1d> RagingMind: that guy was in here earlier, i helped him by telling him about page plus, and also told him metro was more trouble than its worth
Apr 23 08:32:36 <jasetroncs> hello.. anyone awake?
Apr 23 15:00:39 <zefanja> hi...I tried to install the WIDK on Ubuntu 10.10 and got this error. http://paste.pocoo.org/show/376871/
Apr 23 15:00:56 <zefanja> any hints?
Apr 23 15:04:20 <Louder|pre> That's a new one to me
Apr 23 15:17:45 <zefanja> hmm
Apr 23 15:21:23 <PatrickC_Pre2> I don't use PDK/WIDK on ubuntu, so  I'm of no help
Apr 23 15:58:23 <Volcom45> question guys, I had to doctor yesterday, and somehow all of my patches in preware saved package list seem to think they are installed when they aren't.. most of them removed and let me reinstall but some fail to remove because it says can't find the files.. tried to remove in webos quick install 4.04 but same prob
Apr 23 15:58:39 <Volcom45> how do i get rid of whatever placeholder they are acting as so that i can reinstall
Apr 23 15:59:16 <Volcom45> what was even weirder, is all of my homebrew and web feed apps redownloaded by themselves somehow in the background.. some didn't work and I had to remove/reinstall but many did work, it was a trip
Apr 23 16:11:35 <Louder|pre> Emergency reconstruction utility?
Apr 23 16:12:09 <Louder|pre> Did you backup all your stuff before you doctored
Apr 23 16:47:54 <Loudergood> I had that happen once when I decided it was a good idea to copy every single directory, including the hidden ones, off the USB drive
Apr 23 17:08:26 <Volcom45> lol Loudergood thats what I did
Apr 23 17:08:58 <Loudergood> yeah use save/restore and don't copy the hidden ones
Apr 23 18:03:11 * phil_bw wanders by
Apr 23 19:18:45 <ajay> hola
Apr 23 19:19:08 <ajay>  what's the deal with mode switcher, it changed authors?  Anyone know if i can take my v1 backup and use it for v2?
Apr 23 20:34:13 <PuffTheMagic> anyone good at math awake and around
Apr 23 20:34:23 <PuffTheMagic> i need help identifying a family of curves
Apr 23 20:35:20 <Loudergood> I'm 2 out of 3...
Apr 23 20:35:41 <Loudergood> not terribly useful with the math part I think
Apr 23 20:35:55 <PuffTheMagic> :(
Apr 23 20:35:59 <PuffTheMagic> http://ompldr.org/vOGU3Zg/hidden-states-new.png
Apr 23 20:36:09 <PuffTheMagic> i wanna come up with a nonlinear equation for these curves
Apr 23 20:36:12 <PuffTheMagic> but idk what to use as a base
Apr 23 20:38:09 <Loudergood> I do however have a calculus textbook at hand...
Apr 23 20:39:32 <PatrickC_Pre2> can I implement homebrew stuff into an app via a patch?
Apr 23 20:40:22 <PuffTheMagic> ^^ that makes no sense
Apr 23 20:41:37 <stbuehler> PuffTheMagic: i'd try a degree 3 or 4 polynomial :)
Apr 23 20:41:41 <Loudergood> well...I can tell you those sort of look like logarithmic curves
Apr 23 20:42:21 <stbuehler> if you rotate them before perhaps :D
Apr 23 20:42:26 <PuffTheMagic> Loudergood, but they decay
Apr 23 20:42:40 <stbuehler> but i don't think you need more than polynomials, given the accuracy of the input...
Apr 23 20:43:23 <Loudergood> I'll defer to you guys, I'm a bit rusty and such
Apr 23 20:44:14 <stbuehler> he, i don't know many curves either, just pointing out that there won't be a "good" match if you don't have better input :)
Apr 23 20:44:41 <PatrickC_Pre2> PuffTheMagic: I'm working with the dev of Reality Gun, and he wants to be able to use the LED for "night mode"
Apr 23 20:44:58 <PatrickC_Pre2> and he doesn't want to have a homebrew version
Apr 23 20:45:45 <PatrickC_Pre2> does that make sense?
Apr 23 20:46:14 <PuffTheMagic> i you can do what you are describing
Apr 23 20:46:31 <PatrickC_Pre2> what? lol
Apr 23 20:46:40 <PuffTheMagic> s/i//
Apr 23 20:46:40 <infobot> PuffTheMagic meant:  you can do what you are describing
Apr 23 20:47:01 <PatrickC_Pre2> so he can make a patch to do it? just clarifying.
Apr 23 20:47:18 <PuffTheMagic> idk what he can do
Apr 23 20:47:21 <PuffTheMagic> but it is possible
Apr 23 20:47:51 <PatrickC_Pre2> ok, that's all I needed to know. LED torch is on the github, right?
Apr 23 21:38:32 <SimpsonTP> rwhitby, any news on linphone plans ?
Apr 23 21:38:56 <rwhitby> what does the developer say in the official thread?
Apr 23 21:42:08 <SimpsonTP> that he is busy at work
Apr 23 21:43:59 <SimpsonTP> but I couldn't find any form of plans
Apr 23 21:47:28 <rwhitby> it's open source, perhaps contribute some new features
Apr 23 21:47:57 <SimpsonTP> that information  I couldn't find !
Apr 23 21:49:54 <SimpsonTP> so where is information about obtaining the source ?
Apr 23 21:51:19 <PatrickC_Away> I saw Linphone on git.webos-internals.org I believe
Apr 23 21:54:13 <SimpsonTP> okay, did I miss that link in the forum thread ??
Apr 23 21:56:28 <SimpsonTP> rwhitby, I'll check it out, and certainly will dive into some frontend issues I have !
Apr 23 21:57:02 <rwhitby> SimpsonTP: post any updates to the thread so the developer can see them
Apr 23 21:57:16 <SimpsonTP> sure, thats what OS is about
Apr 23 22:48:17 * ajay is hung-ey
Apr 24 02:09:30 <Garrett92C> Hey guys
Apr 24 02:09:51 <Garrett92C> How would I go about getting a patch in Preware that needs to have images packaged with it?
Apr 24 02:11:22 <NuttyBunny> I assume that you could do both a postinst and prerm scripts that could copy/remove the files on install/uninstall :S
Apr 24 02:12:13 <Garrett92C> Ah ok. I'm going to go figure out how to do that... lol
Apr 24 02:12:23 <Garrett92C> Thanks. :D
Apr 24 02:13:23 <NuttyBunny> They're easy, and I assume they're allowed in patches (it's an assumption, I don't know if it's true) :)
Apr 24 02:14:06 <Garrett92C> I already have it packaged in an ipk, but not sure how to submit it to the patch portal...
Apr 24 02:18:50 <Garrett92C> Can anyone confirm patches that require images packaged with them are allowed in the Preware patch feed?
Apr 24 02:22:38 <rwhitby> Garrett92C: are there existing patches that have included images?
Apr 24 02:23:13 <Garrett92C> Not that I can think of...
Apr 24 02:24:13 <Garrett92C> I guess that answers my question. Thanks Rod! :)
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