**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Apr 27 02:59:58 2011
Apr 27 04:08:11 * phil_bw wanders by
Apr 27 04:08:32 <phil_bw> so uhh anyone know anything about kernels in here?
Apr 27 04:10:10 <summatusmentis> depends, what are you trying to figure out?
Apr 27 04:10:24 <dtzWill> phil_bw: bunch of people do :). btw, sorry for sitting on your X stuff I'll get it out in the next few days as I can--the biggest stick is that I don't have a particularly good/convenient way to package the xorg stuff, was kinda ad-hoc (one reason it's still in testing feed)
Apr 27 04:10:35 <dtzWill> so addressing that first, even though that shouldn't really cause it to block.
Apr 27 04:11:15 <phil_bw> dtzWill: I'm not worried, I'm not waiting on you.  I already have the awesome keyboard :P
Apr 27 04:11:57 <dtzWill> phil_bw: :D :)
Apr 27 04:12:20 <phil_bw> So I'm trying to establish a PPTP tunnel to my Win7Pro system.  All is great except the kernel does not support MPPE.  Any good ideas to get said support?
Apr 27 04:20:48 <phil_bw> I haven't compiled a kernel in a *very* long time and I don't know if I really want to experiment with the Pre
Apr 27 05:40:48 <swisstomcat> morning
Apr 27 10:26:33 <RichT23> Ya Ill have my Pixi back "soon"
Apr 27 10:26:40 <RichT23> Palm say they fixed it
Apr 27 11:27:19 <lordbah> "USSD request failed" when dialing #3386633#. Is this because I previously used a version of doctor so activation would not be required?
Apr 27 11:27:59 <PatrickC_Pre2> not sure
Apr 27 11:29:16 <lordbah> nm, I didn't see the asterisk - getting blinder by the day
Apr 27 11:29:58 <PatrickC_Pre2> ok
Apr 27 11:38:17 <swisstomcat> yeah, it's #*3386633#
Apr 27 12:53:39 <PatrickC_Pre2> weird.. Preware just downloaded an app catalog app.. but couldn't install..
Apr 27 13:23:15 <cryptk> PatrickC_Pre2, what app
Apr 27 13:23:31 <cryptk> it is possible that the same app, with the same appid is in both a homebrew feed and the app cat
Apr 27 13:23:40 <PatrickC_Pre2> GPS Tool Lite
Apr 27 13:28:13 <cryptk> I can't even see that app... may not be flagged for 2.1.0
Apr 27 13:28:31 <cryptk> did it try and install through preware? or did preware open an app cat scene?
Apr 27 13:31:46 <PatrickC_Pre2> it tried to install it with preware
Apr 27 13:31:56 <PatrickC_Pre2> and downloaded it successfully, but didn't install
Apr 27 16:02:31 <PatrickC_Pre2> kevets: working better?
Apr 27 16:04:31 <kevets> well the client i work at today has wifi so i am at least able to try logging into my profile
Apr 27 16:04:45 <PatrickC_Pre2> cool
Apr 27 16:04:51 <kevets> i think my modem is screwy though still.. don't have my phone activated right now
Apr 27 16:05:08 <PatrickC_Pre2> what phone are you using then?
Apr 27 16:05:31 <kevets> vz pre plus
Apr 27 16:05:54 <PatrickC_Pre2> I thought you said it isn't activated atm?
Apr 27 16:07:58 <kevets> i have my line activated on my blackberry right now since its the only thing i have that will tether
Apr 27 16:08:43 <kevets> just got the pre powered on and joined it to the wifi here at the office to try and see if i can make any progress on at least setting up palm profile and other stuff
Apr 27 16:08:56 <kevets> then maybe give it another try and activate the pre again to see if 3g will work
Apr 27 16:09:24 <PatrickC_Pre2> cool
Apr 27 16:09:26 <PatrickC_Pre2> hope it works
Apr 27 16:10:00 <kevets> yea looks like i'm into my profile now - puttig it on the wifi worked for that and then just launching the gesture demo app
Apr 27 16:10:20 <kevets> doubt it will help the 3g connection staying on
Apr 27 16:14:25 <NuttyBunny> hey chuqui :)
Apr 27 16:14:33 <PatrickC_Pre2> hay NuttyBunny :)
Apr 27 16:16:50 <chuqui> morning!
Apr 27 16:18:10 <PatrickC_Pre2> anyone here on 2.1 and having messaging app issues?
Apr 27 16:19:41 <kevets> what issues?
Apr 27 16:20:20 <PatrickC_Pre2> I can't send IM messages
Apr 27 16:20:26 <PatrickC_Pre2> I'm gonna log it now
Apr 27 16:21:18 <PatrickC_Pre2> [2011-04-27 16:20:42] (Messaging) DBWatcher: watch fired, re-issuing query., palmcontactsVersion1_0:116
Apr 27 16:21:43 <PatrickC_Pre2> ^^ is all the log
Apr 27 16:22:02 <NuttyBunny> But that's for synergy
Apr 27 16:22:12 <NuttyBunny> do you have just email addresses instead of the names?
Apr 27 16:22:12 <PatrickC_Pre2> weird..
Apr 27 16:22:18 <PatrickC_Pre2> yeah
Apr 27 16:22:25 <NuttyBunny> ah, yes, it does that sometimes
Apr 27 16:22:43 <PatrickC_Pre2> not anymore...
Apr 27 16:22:46 <NuttyBunny> reboot your dev, logon again, and wait for it to do the synergy thing
Apr 27 16:23:09 <PatrickC_Pre2> reboot as in?
Apr 27 16:23:18 <PatrickC_Pre2> full erase, or just a boot cycle
Apr 27 16:23:25 <NuttyBunny> reboot as in press the power button x several seconds, and select reboot
Apr 27 16:23:54 <PatrickC_Pre2> and it shows me the name at the beginning of the conversation, then when I send a msg, it changed to only email..
Apr 27 16:24:53 <NuttyBunny> Yep, happens if it loses the IM information on the contacts, mostly because a battery pull or a reboot while logged in... weird, weird issue
Apr 27 16:25:15 <PatrickC_Pre2> ok
Apr 27 16:25:18 <PatrickC_Pre2> brb boot time
Apr 27 16:25:22 <NuttyBunny> ok
Apr 27 16:27:16 <NuttyBunny> Do we have a TripIt app?
Apr 27 16:27:33 <ka6sox-home> we have a NavIt one...
Apr 27 16:28:27 <NuttyBunny> mmm... nah, it was to backfire a Twitter saying that there was a TripIt app for BB and Android :)
Apr 27 16:35:57 <kevets> whee
Apr 27 16:36:08 <kevets> palm profile looks like it activated over wifi finally
Apr 27 16:36:25 <kevets> firing up app store and preware to cehck it out
Apr 27 16:36:52 <kevets> if anything i'll see how 2.1 works as a non-cell service device
Apr 27 16:38:34 <NuttyBunny> cool :D   At least!
Apr 27 16:44:19 <kevets> yay and Comics works
Apr 27 16:44:28 <kevets> garfield minus garfield ha
Apr 27 16:46:56 <kevets> damn on wifi this thing is good to go
Apr 27 16:51:40 <NuttyBunny> LOL .. so, did it download all your apps as well? :D
Apr 27 16:55:07 <kevets> well i hadn't purchased any apps or anything just installed oens i was missing
Apr 27 16:55:17 <kevets> this would be perfect if it would just do this over 3G
Apr 27 17:16:57 <kevets> is there a way to like check the modem firmware or test it without the phone being activated on a line?
Apr 27 17:25:29 <kevets> hmm one last effort - gonna try looking at the carriernetworksettings file from here http://forums.precentral.net/gsm-pre/211728-modifying-webos-carrier-network-settings.html
Apr 27 17:31:11 <swisstomcat> nuttybunny: there's tripthat for webos
Apr 27 17:31:33 <NuttyBunny> Ah, that!... lemme backfire to this guy ;)  hehehe
Apr 27 17:45:41 <kevets> anyone messed with the carriernetworksettings file in 2.1 before?
Apr 27 17:47:13 <PatrickC_Pre2> NuttyBunny: Ping!
Apr 27 17:47:25 <NuttyBunny> PatrickC_Pre2: Pong!
Apr 27 17:47:36 <PatrickC_Pre2> the boots didn't work :/
Apr 27 17:47:47 <PatrickC_Pre2> had to reboot 3 times to get wifi back to even try
Apr 27 17:48:05 <NuttyBunny> grrrr...
Apr 27 17:49:11 <halfhalo> hmmm.... there is a strange amount of [REDACTED] in this website right now...
Apr 27 17:51:25 <PatrickC_Pre2> stupid Synergy
Apr 27 17:52:47 <halfhalo> http://REDACTED.preyourmind.org
Apr 27 17:54:06 * PatrickC_Pre2 is proudly running the 2.1 app catalog on 1.4.5
Apr 27 17:59:16 <SineOt> proudly? why proudly :I
Apr 27 17:59:21 <SineOt> it's not that hard to do
Apr 27 18:00:25 <PatrickC_Pre2> I know, but I'm happy to have it
Apr 27 18:03:42 <kevets> is there a way to tell if i have the right settings ni the ##DATA# menu?
Apr 27 18:06:42 <th3vo1d> heres some food for thought: http://www.anandtech.com/show/4240/htc-thunderbolt-review-first-verizon-4g-lte-smartphone/4
Apr 27 18:06:46 <NuttyBunny> no idea, but isn't that programming automatically done when you dial certain number on verizon?
Apr 27 18:06:55 <NuttyBunny> kevets: no idea, but isn't that programming automatically done when you dial certain number on verizon?
Apr 27 18:07:08 <SineOt> should be, dialing *228 will do the programing
Apr 27 18:07:22 <th3vo1d> NuttyBunny: you are referring to *228
Apr 27 18:07:37 <NuttyBunny> that one
Apr 27 18:07:44 <th3vo1d> i know it downloads the PRL
Apr 27 18:07:51 <th3vo1d> not sure if it sets up data
Apr 27 18:08:12 <SineOt> it should have an option if it doesn't do so already to do the full programing for the device
Apr 27 18:10:13 <PatrickC_Pre2> Software Manager works on 1.4.5!
Apr 27 18:10:20 <kevets> yeah thats what i am tryin to make sure
Apr 27 18:10:32 <kevets> yeah option 1 programs the phone 2 updates roaming
Apr 27 18:11:12 <kevets> uninstalling some patches before i try this one last time
Apr 27 18:11:18 <kevets> activating and testing 3g
Apr 27 18:21:01 <PatrickC_Pre2> we are not allowed t distribute Palm apps, I know.. but can we give instructions on how to extract them/build them?
Apr 27 18:23:38 <kevets> damn what causes Emergency Mode to trigger?
Apr 27 18:23:51 <kevets> this continues to happen if i have the phone on under 2.1
Apr 27 18:24:10 <NuttyBunny> What's emergency mode???
Apr 27 18:24:16 <SineOt> what's Emergency Mode?
Apr 27 18:24:50 <PatrickC_Pre2> ^^
Apr 27 18:25:10 <NuttyBunny> you had to write the same question below :P
Apr 27 18:25:17 <kevets> kicks you out of launcher and everything and just has Emergency Mode on the screen with a big plus sign in the center
Apr 27 18:25:31 <kevets> and you have options to make an emergency call or hit cancel (which does nothing)
Apr 27 18:25:39 <PatrickC_Pre2> never seen it..
Apr 27 18:26:01 <kevets> can't even use hash codes in this mode like the activation screen, had to pull battery
Apr 27 18:26:23 <kevets> happened like 3 times on the trip home tomorrow while i was trying to coax it into getting a data signal
Apr 27 18:27:04 <NuttyBunny> no idea :(
Apr 27 18:27:52 <SineOt> yeah, never seen that or heard of it
Apr 27 18:28:49 <kevets> sweet
Apr 27 18:29:19 <kevets> i was hoping this was more of a newb issue lol
Apr 27 19:06:32 <th3vo1d> wow the vzw lte network is quite impressive
Apr 27 19:06:43 <keith> agreed
Apr 27 19:06:46 <PatrickC_Pre2> isn't it down?
Apr 27 19:06:50 <th3vo1d> of course, its not exactly saturated yet
Apr 27 19:06:51 <keith> it was
Apr 27 19:07:00 <PatrickC_Pre2> ah its back up. good
Apr 27 19:07:12 <keith> its pathetic how much more bw they put on the lte network vs the standard cdma one.
Apr 27 19:07:47 <th3vo1d> order of magnitude increases
Apr 27 19:08:17 <keith> what i heard is, the lte network is the old test network
Apr 27 19:08:26 <keith> my friend showed me a nexus one with a verizon logo
Apr 27 19:09:01 <keith> and pulled like 4 or 5 mbit on it
Apr 27 19:09:10 <keith> cuz hes an android dev
Apr 27 19:09:54 <keith> he made it seem like they got different backbones.
Apr 27 19:10:08 <keith> i cant wait to get an lte device to do some traceroutes to see if i can tell.
Apr 27 19:12:52 <th3vo1d> ive never seen those kinds of speeds on evdo
Apr 27 19:13:06 <th3vo1d> on any network
Apr 27 19:14:12 <SineOt> that's what it'd have to be though, since the Nexus One isn't a 4G device :p
Apr 27 19:15:05 <keith> ive seen 300KB on evdo
Apr 27 19:15:07 <keith> on sprint in LA
Apr 27 19:15:07 <th3vo1d> apparently, android 2.2 doesnt even support 4g naitively
Apr 27 19:15:19 <keith> what do you mean 'support 4g natively'
Apr 27 19:15:28 <keith> its just a ppp connection?
Apr 27 19:16:07 <SineOt> it'd need an LTE modem
Apr 27 19:16:21 <SineOt> or wimax modem
Apr 27 19:16:42 <keith> heh
Apr 27 19:16:51 <SineOt> it's a lot more than just a ppp connection, it'd be hardware too
Apr 27 19:16:54 <keith> android is exposed a usb controller as the radio, IIRC
Apr 27 19:17:00 <keith> to support 4g natively?
Apr 27 19:17:04 <keith> what.
Apr 27 19:17:29 <SineOt> android didn't support CDMA natively until 1.6
Apr 27 19:17:34 <keith> to android theres no difference between 1xRTT, EVDO or anything else.
Apr 27 19:17:39 <keith> thats entirely different
Apr 27 19:17:43 <th3vo1d> well im reading about the thunderbolt, which uses 2 cdma modems
Apr 27 19:17:51 <SineOt> any support for it had to be hacked in by the device maker
Apr 27 19:18:05 <SineOt> and LTE is totally the same? :p
Apr 27 19:18:07 <keith> SineOt: i put android on an HTC touch in june, months before the g1 came out
Apr 27 19:18:10 <keith> it was CDMA.
Apr 27 19:18:15 <th3vo1d> one at 1x on the SoC and the evdo/lte on the seperate qualcomm chip
Apr 27 19:18:23 <keith> dude, you gotta write a driver for anything
Apr 27 19:18:25 <keith> thats not supporting it
Apr 27 19:18:46 <keith> th3vo1d: unsurprisingly, it takes awhile to do a SoC w/ new tech combined
Apr 27 19:19:04 <keith> but again, none of this answers the 'what do you mean by not natively supporting 4g'?
Apr 27 19:19:13 <th3vo1d> a nice side effect is that it can do voice and data at the same time
Apr 27 19:19:25 <keith> technically, GSM is the same way
Apr 27 19:19:36 <keith> theres 2 radios, a GSM and a WCDMA one.
Apr 27 19:19:49 <th3vo1d> "Android 2.2 lacks native awareness for 4G LTE. As a result, you get odd things hanging around like the 20 MB YouTube WiFi upload restriction, and the 128 MB mobile upload (for any connection) file size limitation."
Apr 27 19:19:50 <keith> http://www.netmite.com/android/mydroid/development/pdk/docs/telephony.html
Apr 27 19:19:57 <keith> see
Apr 27 19:19:58 <keith> ppp.
Apr 27 19:20:13 <keith> you always need to write a driver (what they call vendor RIL)
Apr 27 19:20:27 <keith> this is old, but same idea
Apr 27 19:20:39 <keith> th3vo1d: android supports 4g radios fine.
Apr 27 19:20:48 <keith> how long ago did the evo ship? and what did it run?
Apr 27 19:21:03 <keith> 2.1.
Apr 27 19:21:20 <th3vo1d> i have no idea what android supports, nor do i really care, im just reading about it on anand
Apr 27 19:21:27 <keith> link it then
Apr 27 19:21:38 <keith> well i do know, and i care
Apr 27 19:21:41 <th3vo1d> http://www.anandtech.com/show/4240/htc-thunderbolt-review-first-verizon-4g-lte-smartphone/6
Apr 27 19:22:05 <keith> dude
Apr 27 19:22:08 <keith> did you even read it?
Apr 27 19:22:14 <keith> As a result, you get odd things hanging around like the 20 MB YouTube WiFi upload restriction, and the 128 MB mobile upload (for any connection) file size limitation
Apr 27 19:22:23 <keith> they mean it wasnt designed for 4g in mind.
Apr 27 19:22:27 <keith> not that it doesnt support it.
Apr 27 19:22:35 <th3vo1d> yes, "dude" i read it
Apr 27 19:22:36 <keith> is that Android 2.2 lacks native awareness for 4G LTE.
Apr 27 19:22:46 <keith> native awareness != support.
Apr 27 19:22:55 <keith> well then, maybe try reading it again, this time using your eyes :)
Apr 27 19:22:58 <th3vo1d> ok well blame anandtech for their terrible wording
Apr 27 19:23:10 <th3vo1d> they do the same shit in their other hardware reviews
Apr 27 19:23:10 <SineOt> how snippy :p
Apr 27 19:23:25 <keith> yes anandtech is shit
Apr 27 19:23:29 <keith> everyone knows that :)
Apr 27 19:23:35 <keith> ars-technica is much better
Apr 27 19:23:43 <th3vo1d> so why do you have such a hardon for android?
Apr 27 19:24:50 <keith> why do you bring up stuff you claim not to care about nor know anything about?
Apr 27 19:25:00 <th3vo1d> anyways, those speeds are damn impressive
Apr 27 19:25:09 <th3vo1d> pings down under 100ms
Apr 27 19:25:09 <keith> i care about android because its the future of embedded linux, sadly to say.
Apr 27 19:25:30 <keith> i've been fucking with embedded linux for nearly 10 years now
Apr 27 19:26:05 <th3vo1d> to be fair, i havent tried gaming over my pre connection
Apr 27 19:26:23 <keith> ive gamed on evdo
Apr 27 19:26:28 <keith> its tempermental at best
Apr 27 19:26:34 <keith> evdo rev. a is ok
Apr 27 19:26:41 <keith> but dont be moving past, say, 30mph.
Apr 27 19:27:12 <keith> gsm does handle tower handoffs quicker, because of their poor implementation of the tech
Apr 27 19:27:28 <keith> evdo is slower, but does a 'soft' handoff where it actually checks the tower to make sure it can take the call.
Apr 27 19:27:36 <keith> gsm does 'hard' handoffs.
Apr 27 19:39:26 <kevets> so
Apr 27 19:39:46 <kevets> here is the emergency mode i end up with https://picasaweb.google.com/kevets/DropBox?authkey=Gv1sRgCJuG04f9uYraEg#5600350187415511986
Apr 27 19:40:08 <kevets> when trying to get my data to work after reactivating my line on my pre
Apr 27 19:42:32 <NuttyBunny> heh, weird, never seen that before :S
Apr 27 19:42:32 <SineOt> weird, never seen that before
Apr 27 19:42:43 <NuttyBunny> hey! stop repeating what I think!!
Apr 27 19:42:46 <NuttyBunny> LOL
Apr 27 19:43:10 <PatrickC_Pre2> hay! stop repeating what I think!!
Apr 27 19:44:44 <kevets> yeah so now i'm looking at this carrierdb.json file which seems to be full of stuff
Apr 27 19:44:48 <scoinvPre> I'm interested in putting Android on Pre+.
Apr 27 19:44:52 <kevets> wondering if something didnt get programmed right
Apr 27 19:45:31 <PatrickC_Pre2> scoinvPre: NuttyBunny is trying it
Apr 27 19:45:52 <NuttyBunny> yep, not working yet
Apr 27 19:45:58 <scoinvPre> cool!
Apr 27 19:46:30 <NuttyBunny> I've managed to almost boot it with the webOS kernel, but it locks, and the guy says that is some sort of initialization problem even before it loads everything else
Apr 27 19:46:35 <scoinvPre> I watched the YouTube video which showed it.
Apr 27 19:47:09 <NuttyBunny> I've just finished a document here at work, I'm go grab some food while the Plus finishes calibrating its battery, and after that I'll try to see if I can find something else
Apr 27 19:47:25 <NuttyBunny> I'm dying to play with that thing, we must reverse-engineer whatsapp :D
Apr 27 19:48:22 <PatrickC_Pre2> brb
Apr 27 19:50:53 <th3vo1d> oh god why
Apr 27 19:51:10 <th3vo1d> how about putting webos on an android device?
Apr 27 19:51:29 <th3vo1d> 800x480 webos would be nice
Apr 27 19:52:08 * PatrickC_Pre2 looks at Pre3
Apr 27 19:57:22 <NuttyBunny> too many things closed source :(
Apr 27 19:58:02 <PatrickC_Pre2> what's close source? webOS or Android?
Apr 27 19:58:20 <NuttyBunny> webOS, the launcher for example :)
Apr 27 19:58:58 <PatrickC_Pre2> its in there somewhere I bet :)
Apr 27 19:59:40 <halfhalo> webos as a whole is not open source
Apr 27 19:59:58 <PatrickC_Pre2> really? didn't know that..
Apr 27 20:01:40 <halfhalo> besides the oe core, webkit, etc everything else is closed source, including the applications built in.
Apr 27 20:02:44 <PatrickC_Pre2> the builtin apps are easily accessible, are they not?
Apr 27 20:02:59 <halfhalo> they are, also distributed with the sdk
Apr 27 20:03:00 <PatrickC_Pre2>  /use/palm/applications
Apr 27 20:03:23 <halfhalo> Does not mean they are open source
Apr 27 20:03:39 <PatrickC_Pre2> true...
Apr 27 20:03:58 <PatrickC_Pre2> hmm.. by what I was saying, all apps would then be open source :o
Apr 27 20:05:14 <NuttyBunny> mmm...
Apr 27 20:05:19 <NuttyBunny> well, I may said it wrong
Apr 27 20:05:29 <NuttyBunny> we don't have the source for the binaries :P
Apr 27 20:10:05 <PatrickC_Pre2> 50GB free online storage http://www.adrive.com/static/storageplans_basic
Apr 27 20:14:47 <NuttyBunny> And so, I'm done here.. bbl, gotta go get something to eat :D
Apr 27 20:23:48 <GodShapedHole> hi guys, anyone up for some troubleshooting by any chance?
Apr 27 20:24:21 <th3vo1d> shoot
Apr 27 20:24:22 <Abyssul> Whats wrong?
Apr 27 20:25:02 <GodShapedHole> I just got a pre plus (yay) and doctored it to 2.1.0 with the appropriate doctor from the official palm page.
Apr 27 20:25:23 <GodShapedHole> I tried to log into my profile but it hangs and won't continue after roughly two thirds
Apr 27 20:26:46 <PatrickC_Pre2> GodShapedHole: what carrier?
Apr 27 20:27:25 <GodShapedHole> German O2 - phone is technically a vodafone pre plus, but it's unlocked and gets a good 3G signal
Apr 27 20:28:32 <GodShapedHole> GAAH
Apr 27 20:28:38 <GodShapedHole> DISREGARD
Apr 27 20:29:00 <GodShapedHole> I waited for half an hour before logging on here and it hung for that half hour. But it just logged.
Apr 27 20:29:14 <GodShapedHole> maybe it's an iPre because this is MAGICAL
Apr 27 20:30:55 <GodShapedHole> Thank you guys anyway!
Apr 27 20:31:16 <Abyssul> Hehe
Apr 27 20:31:22 <Abyssul> Little patience :p
Apr 27 20:31:49 <GodShapedHole> hehe, I'm usually patient but it's never taken this long on any of my previous doctoring experiences.
Apr 27 20:32:20 <GodShapedHole> but hey any excuse to talk to other palm people over these great interpipes
Apr 27 20:32:28 <Abyssul> Is the webos-internals twitter done talking about the geo-restrictions for the app catalog? Its been a little overwhelming
Apr 27 20:32:55 <GodShapedHole> >_> it's a worthy subject though...
Apr 27 20:33:29 <Abyssul> Yeah, but HP is only going to move so fast
Apr 27 20:33:45 <GodShapedHole> HP needs to make the catalog international (and i'm usually loathe to say "needs" when I could also say "should")
Apr 27 20:34:31 <GodShapedHole> I know, and actually I don't think now is the time for them to work on that issue
Apr 27 20:35:13 <GodShapedHole> They should work on getting the new devices into international people's hands and then enable the catalog for them
Apr 27 20:35:32 <Abyssul> Reading the twitter stream is a little  ridiculous to me. Thats all
Apr 27 20:36:01 <GodShapedHole> Reading any twitter stream has always felt ridiculous to me.
Apr 27 20:36:06 <GodShapedHole> Cantankerous old fool, me
Apr 27 20:36:28 <Abyssul> I only use it for webosinternals and some of my favorite bands
Apr 27 21:15:55 * NuttyBunny plays angry birds while the battery calibrates :S
Apr 27 21:16:16 * PatrickC_Pre2 steals NuttyBunny's angry birds
Apr 27 21:16:32 * NuttyBunny gets angry :P
Apr 27 21:16:46 <PatrickC_Pre2> hehe
Apr 27 21:17:03 <ctbeiser> Wouldn't that just make them angrier?
Apr 27 21:17:19 <NuttyBunny> like in Rio? :D
Apr 27 21:19:32 <ctbeiser> Fifty years of miniaturization, price decreases, and speed increases, and finally everyone can own a device that fits in their pocket with which they can shoot animated birds at peculiarly green pigs that whistle a catchy tune.
Apr 27 21:19:45 <rwhitby> Abyssul: the guy who writes the webosinternals twitter is a fool - I'd unsubscribe if I were you.
Apr 27 21:20:13 <ctbeiser> Waitaminute, I thought it was… I see what you did there.
Apr 27 21:20:15 <Loudergood> indeed
Apr 27 21:20:24 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
Apr 27 21:34:42 <kevets> damn, so it looks like there may be some files i should have grabbed off my 1.4.5 working phone before moving to 2.1
Apr 27 21:34:51 <kevets> now i cant seem to doctor back to an older version to try and get it
Apr 27 21:36:44 <Loudergood> ?
Apr 27 21:37:05 <NuttyBunny> what files?
Apr 27 21:39:32 <kevets> grasping, saw this link about what the sprint guys have to do when updating http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Sprint_PRL_Update
Apr 27 21:39:38 <kevets> since thats what my problem sounded like
Apr 27 21:39:50 <kevets> /var/lib/software
Apr 27 21:40:02 <NuttyBunny> ow..
Apr 27 21:41:05 <Loudergood> you have a verizon pre plus correct?
Apr 27 21:43:23 <kevets> yes
Apr 27 21:43:50 <kevets> so usually we just do the *228 but that hasn't helped
Apr 27 21:45:31 <Loudergood> does your phone keep popping up messages about not being able to get data?
Apr 27 21:47:01 <kevets> yeah, no response from network, network time unavailable kind of stuff
Apr 27 21:47:24 <kevets> and under 2.1 i was getting Emergency Mode screens a bunch where it'd lock me out kinda
Apr 27 21:47:49 <RagingMind> kevets, those instructions wouldn't do anything for you can't get from *228
Apr 27 21:48:13 <Loudergood> sounds more and more like you had a bad 2.1 doctor
Apr 27 21:53:13 <kevets> think so? okay well maybe i am barking up the wrong tree
Apr 27 21:53:29 <rwhitby> what did you build it on?
Apr 27 21:53:30 <kevets> does it just need to be re-run sometimes?
Apr 27 21:53:39 <kevets> built it in ubuntu
Apr 27 21:53:51 <rwhitby> should be fine then.
Apr 27 21:54:09 <kevets> is there any weird 64 bit / 32 bit stuff with the novatel drivers?
Apr 27 21:54:21 <kevets> it detected it fine and i could use WebOS Quick Install without trouble
Apr 27 21:54:34 <rwhitby> if it connects it's fine
Apr 27 21:54:41 <kevets> yea it did
Apr 27 21:54:59 <rwhitby> and the doctor has an ipkg verification step, which if it succeeds means the transfer was not corrupted
Apr 27 21:56:02 <kevets> yeah 2.1 ran great on the phone, just wouldn't connect to 3g after doing *228
Apr 27 22:19:02 <DraecosPre> is terminus broke atm?
Apr 27 22:25:14 <NuttyBunny> Guys, anyone knows how to disable the framebuffer in recovery mode? :D
Apr 27 22:27:44 <NuttyBunny> *crick* *crick* ??
Apr 27 22:55:36 <PatrickC_Pre2> Preware keeps downloading/installing but doesn't pass that stage...
Apr 27 22:56:16 <Loudergood> app catalog app?
Apr 27 22:56:18 <NuttyBunny> close it, give it a few seconds, and open it again
Apr 27 22:56:37 <PatrickC_Pre2> Loudergood: patch
Apr 27 22:56:44 * NuttyBunny almost slaps PatrickC_Pre2 for installing an app catalog app with Preware
Apr 27 22:57:03 <Loudergood> haha
Apr 27 22:57:04 * PatrickC_Pre2 didn't :)
Apr 27 22:57:49 <Loudergood> well I've been having an issue recently where preware doesn't like to launch the software manager like it used to
Apr 27 22:57:57 <PatrickC_Pre2> same here
Apr 27 22:58:33 <PatrickC_Pre2> hrmm.. still doing it :/
Apr 27 22:59:26 <NuttyBunny> mmm... you could kill the service and run it again
Apr 27 22:59:38 <PatrickC_Pre2> with JStop?
Apr 27 23:01:18 <NuttyBunny> nope, it's a service, you would have to run xterm or terminal or whatever suits you, look for the service with ps ax, then use the kill command to kill the program (use the first number, the PID), then ... run it again, but I don't remember where does it go ;)
Apr 27 23:02:11 <PatrickC_Pre2> I'll just reboot the phone lol.. or is that necessary?
Apr 27 23:04:41 <NuttyBunny> yes, reboot it :)
Apr 27 23:04:47 <NuttyBunny> 3, 4 times
Apr 27 23:04:55 <NuttyBunny> the ones you need to do it ;)
Apr 27 23:06:14 <NuttyBunny> aaaand.. it crashed.  gotta go.. bbl
Apr 28 01:38:03 <NickNick> evening folks
Apr 28 01:56:22 <NickNick> I'm trying to help out some folks who want to automatically flush their swap.
Apr 28 01:56:32 <NickNick> I'm following the post here: http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/242728-webos-internals-uber-kernel-124.html#post2941141
Apr 28 01:57:05 <NickNick> i'm wondering, once i create the swapcleanup file as specified in that post and put it into the /etc/event.d/ folder do i need to do anything else to get it to run on startup?
Apr 28 01:58:57 <NickNick> hey nuttyB
Apr 28 02:01:59 <NickNick> do you know, if i put a file into the /etc/event.d/ folder will it run? i'm trying to help some folks to flush their swap automatically
Apr 28 02:11:17 <rwhitby> NickNick: it will, if it is written correctly.  However, you should put it in /var/palm/event.d/ instead
Apr 28 02:14:08 <NickNick> rwhitby: what is the difference between those two directories?
Apr 28 02:15:10 <NickNick> also, the .sh file that calls i'm putting into /etc/init.d/ is that good?
Apr 28 02:16:12 <summatusmentis> I expect the reason for using /var/palm is just consistency
Apr 28 02:17:31 <NickNick> summatusmentis: i'm totally green. Consistency with what?
Apr 28 02:17:49 <summatusmentis> just where the rest of the system files get put and things
Apr 28 02:18:00 <summatusmentis> more to do with what "accepted practice" is
Apr 28 02:18:01 <NickNick> got it. Thanks.
Apr 28 02:18:55 <rwhitby> installed apps use /var/palm/... for stuff.  system apps use /etc/palm/... for stuff. if you use /var/palm/... you don't have to make the rootfs writeable first, and it is also correctly removed when someone does an "Erase Apps and Data"
Apr 28 02:19:26 <NuttyBunny> (unlike patches) ;)
Apr 28 02:19:57 <NuttyBunny> rwhitby: How about patch the Erase Apps and Data routine to first uninstall all patches? :D
Apr 28 02:20:58 <rwhitby> NuttyBunny: there are some circumstances where you don't want to remove patches on an erase apps and data
Apr 28 02:21:18 <rwhitby> e.g. the Device Profile Service patch
Apr 28 02:21:37 <NuttyBunny> Or disabling first app use
Apr 28 02:23:12 <NuttyBunny> mmm... nah, make them doctor their devices, it's better :D
Apr 28 02:23:49 <PatrickC_Pre2> so, who got the new app cat?
Apr 28 02:23:58 <summatusmentis> I downloaded the update
Apr 28 02:24:12 <PatrickC_Pre2> same here..
Apr 28 02:24:24 <summatusmentis> beyond that, no idea
Apr 28 02:24:34 <rwhitby> PatrickC_Pre2: here's a tip - if something is on-topic for #webos, it's likely to be off-topic for #webos-internals, and vice versa.
Apr 28 02:24:49 <PatrickC_Pre2> rwhitby: gotcha
Apr 28 02:34:07 <NickNick> If anyone is feeling generous i'd love to know if the procedure i've written is accurate. i don't have a device to test this on: http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2948034
Apr 28 02:48:50 <rwhitby> NickNick: why put something in /etc/init.d ?
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