**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat May 07 02:59:58 2011 May 07 03:00:10 yay! I got in :P May 07 03:00:11 ...it was the cloud profile stuffs that freaked me May 07 03:00:21 lol May 07 03:00:38 i dunno if i need to OC u know? May 07 03:00:44 now.. idk what to do in that scene.. lol May 07 03:00:52 which phone pre/+? May 07 03:00:55 may be ill put on uShare & May 07 03:01:02 Yeah ah, meta pre sprint. May 07 03:01:07 orig. May 07 03:01:14 then OC May 07 03:01:16 like a rock. May 07 03:01:19 I use F104A May 07 03:01:22 me too May 07 03:01:27 (1.1GHz) May 07 03:02:03 hmm May 07 03:02:27 if only the USB was not what it is May 07 03:02:31 its what, passive right? May 07 03:03:07 what? May 07 03:03:16 idk May 07 03:03:20 um. May 07 03:03:34 you cant connect any periphials to the bus May 07 03:03:54 like, a usb keyboard, mouse, webcam, Mini PCIe to USB May 07 03:04:17 heh.. May 07 03:04:20 ever see those sleds? May 07 03:04:20 http://www.digitalishop.com/shop/images/USB_Enclosure.jpg May 07 03:04:40 good for pcie cellular modules. May 07 03:05:43 * PatrickC_Pre2 throws pre for not being OCed May 07 03:06:04 soooo slooooow May 07 03:06:23 heh May 07 03:06:37 w/e works. May 07 03:06:46 you code too? May 07 03:06:51 well, its going back to sprint today/tomorrow May 07 03:06:53 yeah May 07 03:07:01 I code apps/patches May 07 03:07:16 well May 07 03:07:18 tomorrow/monday* May 07 03:07:21 the VPN pulldown is sick May 07 03:07:48 I don't use VPN May 07 03:07:54 because yeah, with OpenVPN.. you can do key/certificates/dh within a single .conf file. May 07 03:07:58 * PatrickC_Pre2 slaps pre for TMC May 07 03:08:22 i should code that up after finals and put it in May 07 03:08:31 you good with javascript? May 07 03:08:39 theres a whole slew of stuff i want to do May 07 03:09:46 I'm kinda/sorta good with JS May 07 03:11:31 ok May 07 03:11:35 I'm pretty good with HTML May 07 03:11:44 haha yeah? May 07 03:11:54 I'm still new to web design (JS) May 07 03:12:09 I've got a few years with HTML May 07 03:12:10 why are ppl all shitty with if top!=windowtop May 07 03:12:21 idk May 07 03:12:23 (well with the JS DOM stuff, window.top) May 07 03:12:26 never heard of it lol May 07 03:12:27 frame killing May 07 03:12:33 when you are in a captive portal May 07 03:12:46 that fuckin shit will break your captive frame May 07 03:13:00 and put you in an endless loop, or do other things.. May 07 03:13:14 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Framekiller May 07 03:13:20 I'm still totally new to JS :) (still getting my feet in) May 07 03:13:29 the DOM is sick. May 07 03:14:04 theres so much fucking javascript going on May 07 03:14:28 like.. google.com front page is thousands and thousands of lines. May 07 03:16:53 The.Office.S07E23, Workaholics.S01E05&S01E06, Workaholics.S01E05... May 07 03:17:14 * oc80z out! May 07 03:54:19 technically, google takes all those newlines out, so it's really only like 5 lines ;) May 07 03:54:46 however, unlike many webpages with thousands of lines of js, their page actually works without it May 07 05:57:13 ~infobot time May 07 05:57:14 2011.05.07 5:55:40 GMT May 07 06:55:10 poop May 07 06:55:22 trying to setup cross compile and its not liking it May 07 10:52:52 hey May 07 16:29:00 uNiXpSyChO: if I am going to make kernels, what should I know beforehand? May 07 16:39:48 PatrickC_Pre2 host build system May 07 16:39:58 windows/ubuntu May 07 16:40:02 dual-boot May 07 16:40:45 hmm yes, linux ofc, but you must know the correct version (in some cases) of the linux distro you need to cross compile with May 07 16:41:15 I want to compile webOS kernels May 07 16:41:29 wifey is calling May 07 16:41:43 lol May 07 16:41:56 * uNiXpSyChO awakens May 07 16:42:10 hey May 07 16:42:16 linux host build system means nothing May 07 16:42:24 uNiXpSyChO it does in some cases. May 07 16:42:29 you must have the correct eabi cross compiler installe May 07 16:42:29 ok.. May 07 16:42:33 not really May 07 16:43:04 i used to do webos kernel builds on a centos 3 system May 07 16:43:11 now i use centos5 May 07 16:43:20 it's all about the compiler May 07 16:43:22 ive have issues in compiling backported stuff in a build system , under 10.10 ubuntu.. May 07 16:43:22 ok.. main question: what language(s)/programs will I need? May 07 16:43:45 stuff that was built/checkedin under an 8.04 point in time. May 07 16:43:50 are you a n00b to cross compiling? ;-) May 07 16:44:00 sounds like library dependencies May 07 16:44:03 me? yes :) May 07 16:44:10 many. May 07 16:44:13 which Shouldn't Be An Issue (tm) with a cross-compile May 07 16:44:14 * PatrickC_Pre2 is a n00b to all compiling :) May 07 16:44:32 PatrickC_Pre2 start with openwrt/slug2 May 07 16:44:40 remember doing cross compiling doesnt use any host system compiler, libs, or anything May 07 16:44:43 wifey is callin bblz. May 07 16:45:13 cya oc80z May 07 16:45:18 download the cross compiler and setup an account to set some enviro to get a build system working May 07 16:45:47 what is the best cross compiler in your opinion? I'm totally new :) May 07 16:46:41 look at this link to get you started: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Custom_Kernels May 07 16:46:55 its outdated but it will give you an idea May 07 16:47:06 ok, thanks May 07 16:47:29 and I'm willing to test any kernels you have :) (PreDroid or webOS ;) ) May 07 16:48:15 PreDroid is going to be a nightmare. but Android is more forgiving with kernel specific userspace functions May 07 16:51:10 is windows supported for kernel cross compiling? May 07 16:53:02 i'm sure it will work. if you download the windows compiler. May 07 16:55:05 why would you ever want to do that?... May 07 16:57:51 cause idk how long I'm gonna be dual-booting May 07 16:58:43 why dualboot, use virtualbox May 07 16:59:10 virtualbox doesn't work with my USB ports for some reason May 07 17:00:05 use the full version, not the OSS version. i use USB all the time. for running Windows. i'll be damned to run Windows natively. May 07 17:00:14 I have a Ubuntu 11.01, XUbuntu (idk the version), and Puppy Linux in VBox's May 07 17:00:36 well, my dad wants to run windows as the host OS :/ May 07 17:00:39 * uNiXpSyChO despises Ubuntu May 07 17:00:58 what do you use? May 07 17:01:15 Fedora 14 May 07 17:02:04 is 1.4GHz the top for the pre2? May 07 17:02:14 just wonderin :) May 07 17:02:36 1.6 works but it melts down pretty quickly May 07 17:02:54 what about 1.5? May 07 17:03:20 havent tried since 1.4 is barely useable for long periods of high load. May 07 17:03:43 i had to make an agrressive scale back driver to not make it melt May 07 17:03:56 I use 1.4 Screenstate and my device is hardly ever hot May 07 17:04:06 due to what i said above :-) May 07 17:04:15 lol May 07 17:04:21 if you're not looking it will scale down before it gets too hot May 07 17:04:38 what about the Pre/+? is 1.2 the top for those? May 07 17:04:51 yeah, I think mine is like 45C and it'll scale down May 07 17:04:52 yep. 1.3 didnt boot May 07 17:05:02 man May 07 17:05:28 well, 1.2 doesn't boot on my minus, but it boots on my dads May 07 17:08:16 but my pre- boots fine with 1.1 May 07 17:09:35 1.1 is the highest stable. May 07 17:12:27 Hi everybody, short question about patching the keybord-layout on 2.1, anybody there who can help? Thanks. May 07 17:13:06 not me.. sorry May 07 17:18:26 * PatrickC_Pre2 is happy his phone is getting replaced today May 07 17:23:42 Test, please ignore. May 07 17:26:41 ... May 07 17:46:42 hmm.. why would the "unzip" command work but not the "zip" command? May 07 17:48:47 I have the "zip" and "unzip" linux packages installed on my pre2 May 07 17:56:10 when did Preware get Just Type May 07 17:56:56 do you ever read the changelog? May 07 17:57:08 yeah May 07 17:57:13 I must have missed that May 07 18:02:33 I just read the entire changelog back to 1.5.0 (the first version requiring 2.0) and saw nothing about JustType May 07 18:04:05 PatrickC_Pre2, that has been in since before 2.0 May 07 18:04:24 oh.. ok May 07 18:05:19 you are talking about how if you are at the preware main scene you can just type something there right? May 07 18:06:28 if so, old news, you missed it May 07 18:06:34 anyways, sleep time for me, later all May 07 18:06:42 ..calendars still have yet to sync.. lulz May 07 18:07:47 ...hey what's the facebook spoof etc hosts entry? May 07 18:08:13 cryptk|offline: no, I'm talking about actual "Just Type" integration.. like the bookmarks/email searches May 07 18:18:37 there shouldn't be anything special I have to do to get my verizon pre+ to talk to other machines on the wifi LAN, right? usbnet is disabled. my routing table is super simple and identical to the one on my lappy (the metrics are different but still ordered the same on each) May 07 18:19:14 an arp request to see the hw addr of my phone comes back with nothing. pings say the destination is unreachable. my router is set up on its default settings, which would allow devices on the lan to see each other. both can reach the internet/router just fine. I feel like a dunce May 07 18:23:30 sammy: how can the router send packets to your phone if arp doesn't work? May 07 18:24:18 stbuehler: I dont have arp on the phone actually. if there's a package for it ill install it, but i dont have a debian chroot installed atm May 07 18:24:27 arp on the lappy doesn't return anything for the phone's IP is what I should have said. May 07 18:24:33 that was nto what i meant :) May 07 18:24:45 you say you can reach the internet from your phone via the router, right? May 07 18:24:49 mmhmm May 07 18:25:14 so the router must be able to send packets to your phone, and it needs the hw address of your phone to do that May 07 18:26:13 and sending packets via the router should work too (ip route add phoneip via routerip) May 07 18:26:36 right. May 07 18:28:01 when I run arp phoneip on the laptop, which is on the same LAN as the phone, there's no hwaddr found May 07 18:28:33 same lan? wlan? May 07 18:29:11 its a wlan. they're on the same subnet May 07 18:29:19 their routing tables are all but identical. May 07 18:30:12 both are in the wlan? May 07 18:30:56 mmhmm May 07 18:33:01 oh. now that ive looked at it for the 14th time, the metric on the phone is setting the default gateway higher than the route for LAN traffic :/ May 07 18:33:18 why would it do that by default? that doesn't seem right. May 07 18:34:06 all i did was disable usbnet and restart the phone (otherwise it wants to route 192.168.0.0 traffic through the usb interface, which is all iremember having to change before to get this to work) May 07 18:34:39 "higher" metric value means less priority afaik May 07 18:36:06 oh. wait then its the laptop that has a higher metric for the lan traffic than the default gateway. i'm not versed enough in routing to know if packets that match a particular route go to the lowest metric first May 07 18:36:20 and (again afaik) metric is only used when two routes have the same dest; otherwise the "better" matching one (==smaller subbnet) wins May 07 18:36:28 right. thats what I thought. May 07 18:36:37 welcome to my confusion :( May 07 18:37:18 well, you could start nopasting your routes :) May 07 18:38:01 uno momento por favor May 07 18:39:36 and i just tried with my phone - laptop on lan, phone on wlan, bridged with fritzbox and i get the arp address for the phone on my laptop May 07 18:44:01 yeah what's killing me is I know I've gotten this to work before. all I had to do was disable usbnet since it uses by default an overlapping subnet in the routing table even when you're not using it May 07 18:44:06 http://pastebin.com/NBxrm310 May 07 18:44:07 and there is "cat /proc/net/arp" on the phone May 07 18:45:26 hm, looks good May 07 18:45:27 there's the entry for the laptop in /proc/net/arp, from all the pings and packets Ive been trying to send, but the hw addr is 0'ed out May 07 18:49:19 there must be something simple staring me in the face but I dont knwo what it is May 07 18:54:23 hm, could it be related to wlan encryption? May 07 18:54:48 i got my laptop on wlan too now, and i see similar problems May 07 18:54:53 sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't May 07 18:55:27 *blink* I had issues with wpa with one and wep with the other. its possible they're on different ssids; one using wep and the other using wpa. i completely forgot. i assumed (whoops) since they were on the same subnet... May 07 18:56:00 lemme make sure they're both on the same ssid. silly chromebook and its wireless driver having issues with wpa even though the hardware supports it... May 07 18:56:28 starting tcpdump on the phone always breaks it -.- May 07 18:59:22 (this is also why i prefer hardware running *nix/bsd with shell access to whatever dumpy 'consumer-grade' crap they sell at the grocery store) May 07 19:00:05 very funny; as soon as i start tcpdump wlan "dies" May 07 19:01:17 aah May 07 19:01:30 doesn't like promiscuous mode May 07 19:01:56 so you can try "tcpdump -i eth0 -n -v -e -p 'arp'" on the phone May 07 19:02:12 and use arping from you laptop May 07 19:02:51 because I should be able to ring my DSL provider and say 'you might want to inform users that when you use multiple SSIDs that you (apparently) separate them into different vlans? and considering the subnets are identical this is pretty misleading!" but they wont care. May 07 19:03:07 if this works, I owe you a beer. or some cookies. May 07 19:04:44 est voilĂ ! May 07 19:04:48 your router should be able to bridge between multiple wlan (at least it is technically possible) May 07 19:04:50 dang. I am a dunce. May 07 19:04:51 nice :) May 07 19:04:55 you'd think, right? May 07 19:05:15 it certainly doesn't give the impression using multiple ssids will separate the clients. lists them all together in the same subnet on the status pages May 07 19:06:01 but this ($)*@ chromebook wont play nice with wpa2. which just blows my mind in the first place and makes me think I need to look into that. May 07 19:06:32 well, wlan is always fun May 07 19:06:52 yay. all this for vlc remote. I can watch last night's fringe season finale on the projector without having to run to the lappy every time I want to pause or go back a few seconds. no kidding. you'd think it was 2001 or something May 07 19:07:00 then again, I'm still waiting for my smell-o-vision and flying car... May 07 19:07:10 hrhr May 07 19:11:33 it didn't even get a new IP, i bet its talking to the same dhcp server. cheap qwest-provided software ftw! thanks again. lemme knwo if you prefer beer or cookies May 07 19:13:23 now to download the metadoctor again and try webos2 on this phone. I wish there were some better hardware running webos, cause its not webos I want to replace with an android phone, just the crap hardware. which is sad, palm used to make incredible PDAs. i still think the keyboard is unmatched. May 07 19:23:04 hm, vlc remote looks nice May 07 20:04:19 stbuehler: its handy for sure, especially living now in a place with a projector and its very short input cable. I didnt have occassion to buy the full version before, but I think I will now. there's always the old http web interface, too. but its not as shiny :) May 07 20:04:41 seriously, tho, send me a memo with your beer/cookie preference. i try to make good on my promise May 07 21:04:23 oe May 07 21:10:37 * oc80z looking for a way to get calendar synced.. May 07 21:11:10 * oc80z thinking 'delete all apps and data' from --> http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/258042-cant-add-delete-sync-contacts.html May 07 21:11:13 thoughts?? May 07 21:14:15 yelp.. May 07 21:15:56 that looks likely May 07 21:19:07 yeah? why. May 07 21:23:59 * oc80z go for it.. May 07 23:34:07 soo.... who wants to try and help me get the widk stuff working on 11.04 May 07 23:37:14 (on a side note, apparently sleep disabled intels vt on nvidia based mobos. fun times...) May 07 23:40:33 pastie.org/1876387 May 07 23:54:38 Oh yeah, btw.. that was the fix. May 08 01:41:02 * halfhalo tries to slap WIDK to try to make it work May 08 01:51:30 halfhalo: where are you stuck? May 08 01:51:38 hi May 08 01:51:46 http://pastie.org/1876387 May 08 01:54:31 Hi everybody .. any news about linphone? i'like to testo the alpha release if possible May 08 01:54:34 mmm... how are you building it, or better where? is it the first package it tries to compile? May 08 01:54:44 DrAg0n_: No, no idea May 08 01:55:21 building it on a clean 11.04 and its the first make stage in the process May 08 01:55:32 thx nightbunny May 08 01:56:30 mmm... weird, I had problems with uncompressing the Mac pkg file, I had to copy it from another machine, and then I've had problems with a couple of apps and 1 library, but it's on evince right now... May 08 01:57:21 I had to install p7zip-full, zlib1g-dev and xutils-dev May 08 01:58:13 have all those May 08 02:00:12 my vms be fighting right now... tis funny May 08 02:00:17 and the sb2 initialization? I'm using 2008q1, and it's working fine :S May 08 02:01:03 sb2 inits fine, but the first make stage just does not want to cooperate May 08 02:03:31 well, it says that sb2 complains over there :S May 08 02:03:33 not on init tho, as far as I can tell May 08 02:04:35 you don't have the /srv/preware/cross-compile/staging/mapping-armv7 file May 08 02:05:15 Ones there, but empty May 08 02:05:45 mmm... mine has stuff in it... where does it comes from? May 08 02:06:27 * halfhalo dunnos May 08 02:09:43 that's weird... May 08 02:10:09 delete that empty file and do a make staging/mapping-armv7 May 08 02:11:21 lets see.... May 08 02:13:17 huzzah! May 08 02:13:30 did it work?? May 08 02:13:34 it worked! well, its farther along now :p May 08 02:13:49 ha! May 08 02:14:05 * NuttyBunny has earned the power of Makefile understanding :) May 08 02:14:37 but why the hell it wasn't created correctly in the first place baffles me... May 08 02:16:02 inorit May 08 02:16:13 as the wiki page suggest, if you run into non-working packages, just move them of the way, unless you want to fix them ;) May 08 02:16:26 only interested in one atm May 08 02:17:11 yup, me 2, but I'm letting it do all its crap... which reminds me, I have to make space :S May 08 02:17:42 I have it setup as a linked clone in vmware with a 40GB HD May 08 02:18:20 lets me roll back really easily since theres a main 11.04 image its based off of May 08 02:20:13 hehehe.. cool :D nah, I'm working on my main machine, I wanted to do the widk thing to avoid messing with the i386 libraries, as far as I see, all the compiling env is enclosed in /srv/preware and doesn't depend on anything else, so, it's great for my purposes May 08 02:20:46 awww another error May 08 02:22:15 some sdl library? navit? May 08 02:22:34 nah, looks like ld... hold on May 08 02:23:57 I had trouble with gpsd, navit,ffmpeg and some "agar" sdl library May 08 02:25:06 oh, glib, thats the package May 08 02:25:58 glib??? but.. I think it doesn't compile that, lemme see May 08 02:27:15 ah, no, it does compile it, pastie? :) May 08 02:29:21 http://pastie.org/1876708 May 08 02:33:37 mmm... no idea, when did you do the git clone? May 08 02:33:50 yesterday May 08 02:34:36 yep, it was updated 9 days ago, we should have the same May 08 02:34:41 ubuntu 64 bit or 32? May 08 02:34:49 64 May 08 02:35:19 mine's 32 bit... but I don't really think it should affect May 08 02:39:03 mine found pthread for the thread implementation... of course, you installed the ia32-libs package May 08 02:39:25 yup May 08 02:42:02 do you have /srv/preware/cross-compile/rootfs/armv7/lib/libpthread.so.0 ? May 08 02:42:39 and /srv/preware/cross-compile/rootfs/armv7/usr/lib/libpthread.so May 08 02:43:07 hiya oil May 08 02:43:35 yup May 08 02:45:24 damn, beats me... try to create a vm with 11.04 32 bit :( May 08 02:45:46 its taking forever to download.... May 08 02:46:17 don't you remind me... I had the great idea of downloading the dvd :) hehehe May 08 02:50:27 lol **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun May 08 02:59:58 2011