**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed May 11 02:59:58 2011
May 11 04:35:41 <rwhitby> PatrickC_Pre: if you want to have your profile restored, just do a full reset
May 11 04:38:36 <PatrickC_Pre> thanks rwhitby, I just logged in with the Gesture Tutorial
May 11 04:41:02 <Jack87> cryptk|offline, ping?
May 11 04:41:05 <Jack87> hi all
May 11 04:41:13 <PatrickC_Pre> hey Jack87
May 11 04:41:22 <Jack87> hi PatrickC_Pre nice to "see" you
May 11 04:42:01 <PatrickC_Pre> lol
May 11 05:13:10 <undrwater> has anyone played with the BB playbook yet?
May 11 05:13:35 <SineOt> Yeah, fiddled with it in a Best Buy
May 11 05:14:12 <undrwater> so...is it flattery?
May 11 05:15:21 <SineOt> It's more like… Okay. webOS is the mom with all the fancy jewelry. Little RIM rolled up (she's like, 6) and grabbed what she thought was the best pieces and put them on. Only they look terrible and don't fit and a 6 year old with no fashion sense at all thinks they look TOTALLY AWESOME.
May 11 05:15:36 <SineOt> That's basically what it feels like.
May 11 05:15:42 <IGNTNUNLMTD> ^ PreCentral sig, here that comes
May 11 05:15:48 <SineOt> And the gestures are just really stupid.
May 11 05:16:12 <SineOt> Since all it is is that it detects a drag that crosses a 1px gutter around the screen and then considers that a gesture.
May 11 05:16:59 <undrwater> i have to admit, it felt pretty clunky...but it looked nice
May 11 05:17:01 <IGNTNUNLMTD> lol
May 11 05:17:10 <Jack87> SineOt, well said :)
May 11 05:17:36 <SineOt> It -looks- real nice. It's a solidly built bit of kit, sure.
May 11 05:17:46 <SineOt> It just leaves a lot to be desired in the whole implementation part.
May 11 05:19:26 <undrwater> so the next question: is qnx still open now that BB has it?
May 11 05:20:32 <SineOt> I dunno.
May 11 05:20:34 <summatusmentis> was it ever open?
May 11 05:21:08 <undrwater> it was
May 11 05:21:09 <summatusmentis> the wiki page says "As of September 12, 2007, QNX offers a license for non-commercial users."
May 11 05:21:20 <summatusmentis> which sounds like you could get the code, but only for personal use?
May 11 05:21:22 <summatusmentis> or internal use?
May 11 05:22:16 <SineOt> I guess?
May 11 05:22:47 <undrwater> yeah...it's weird :)
May 11 05:23:17 <summatusmentis> that doesn't sound like "open" to me
May 11 05:23:25 <undrwater> i played with qnx a long while ago and liked it for "security through obscurity" purposes
May 11 05:25:44 <IGNTNUNLMTD> ?
May 11 05:27:01 <IGNTNUNLMTD> meaning that it was so unintuitive nobody could find their way to your personal data?
May 11 05:27:41 <summatusmentis> IGNTNUNLMTD: I think meaning that since it's such an unknown OS, it's unlikely that anyone knows how to exploit it
May 11 05:28:07 <IGNTNUNLMTD> ah, I thought you meant in terms of its implementation on the PlayBook
May 11 05:28:49 <summatusmentis> wasn't me, but undrwater (I assume) is talking about before BB bought it
May 11 05:29:25 <IGNTNUNLMTD> ah, right
May 11 05:29:47 <rwhitby> morning
May 11 05:30:02 <summatusmentis> hi
May 11 05:31:29 <undrwater> yes...before
May 11 05:31:30 <undrwater> :)
May 11 05:31:46 <undrwater> it ran from a 3.5" floppy
May 11 05:50:28 <IGNTNUNLMTD> ?
May 11 05:53:00 <undrwater> ??
May 11 06:36:08 <rwhitby> So Google has announced NFC-based "0-Click" touch to share, music and video stores, and a home automation API.
May 11 06:36:40 <rwhitby> And guaranteed OS updates for 18 months after first release of capable hardware.
May 11 06:42:05 <summatusmentis> rwhitby: I watched the keynote, it's sort of compelling
May 11 08:33:53 <Jack87> ~prewarefeeds
May 11 08:33:53 <infobot> methinks prewarefeeds is http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/
May 11 09:02:25 <madnificent> I'm trying to get the lightbar on my pre2 (webos2.1) working again.  /etc/luna.conf's CoreNavi looks right to me, where else should I look?
May 11 09:16:02 <madnificent> I've also verified that the leds really do still work
May 11 13:23:32 <Shaun_> hi?
May 11 13:24:39 <Shaun_> hello
May 11 13:25:07 <Shaun_> hello
May 11 13:59:12 <PatrickC_Pre> madnificent: uninstall the patches?
May 11 14:02:24 <PatrickC_Pre> and if that doesn't work.. doctor, and if that doesn't work... contact palm about a replacement
May 11 14:19:13 <madnificent> PatrickC_Pre: I wonder which patch it is
May 11 14:19:20 <madnificent> I'd like to fix it, rather than just undo it
May 11 14:19:50 <madnificent> so I'm wondering which files could be affected by any of those patches and which files are relevant for controlling the lights
May 11 14:20:08 <madnificent> I've verified that they all still work (manually writing to the relevant brightnes files)
May 11 14:22:44 <PatrickC_Pre> what patch(es) did you install?
May 11 14:22:52 <PatrickC_Pre> the Advanced System ... ?
May 11 14:39:17 <madnificent> all advanced system patches
May 11 14:39:52 <madnificent> I also wouldn't mind manually tweaking the lights, as I didn't quit like how they behaved
May 11 15:00:27 <PatrickC_Pre> sconix: ping?
May 11 15:00:39 <sconix> PatrickC_Pre: yep
May 11 15:00:58 <PatrickC_Pre> madnificent is having trouble with the advanced system patches
May 11 15:01:13 * PatrickC_Pre2 pre2 mode activated
May 11 15:02:06 <PatrickC_Pre2> his notification LED isn't working right anymore
May 11 15:02:58 <sconix> madnificent: have you noticed that adv sys prefs patches add the blink notification setting to be per account for sms/email/phone?
May 11 15:07:46 <madnificent> hey sconix thanks for writing this!
May 11 15:08:02 <madnificent> sconix: yes, however, the led doesn't respond to the back and forward gestures anymore
May 11 15:08:13 <madnificent> I didn't see a setting for that
May 11 15:08:39 <sconix> well that comes from somewhere deep in the system
May 11 15:08:48 <sconix> I don't think any patch can effect to that
May 11 15:09:14 <madnificent> it also doesn't light up anymore when I open a card...  I guessed it had to have something to do with that
May 11 15:09:22 <sconix> well that might be
May 11 15:09:34 <sconix> there is a patch that disables that, maybe it disables also the back/forward
May 11 15:09:39 <sconix> but my patches wont do that
May 11 15:10:08 <madnificent> I have had that patch installed in the past, but I did it to check if that would fix anything (it didn't)
May 11 15:10:27 <sconix> well maybe the patch is still installed?
May 11 15:10:33 <madnificent> perhaps it's a glitch somewhere... still would prefer to fix it rather than 'just' reinstall
May 11 15:10:56 <sconix> well let me check wuickly what the patch changes and maybe then I have idea what you could try
May 11 15:11:04 <sconix> wuickly=quickly
May 11 15:11:05 * PatrickC_Pre2 is coding his first site!!!
May 11 15:11:09 <madnificent> no, I removed it this morning again.  The patch actually made things less bad.  But it still didn't show forward and backward gestures (leds just stay out)
May 11 15:11:16 <madnificent> go PatrickC_Pre2 go!
May 11 15:11:27 <madnificent> sconix: I probably shouldn't waste your time with this
May 11 15:11:43 <halfhalo> mmmm.... website coding....
May 11 15:12:26 <halfhalo> protip: use blink tags.  everywhere
May 11 15:13:41 <sconix> madnificent: no problem its not like this took much of my time
May 11 15:13:43 <madnificent> halfhalo: and flash!
May 11 15:14:19 <sconix> madnificent: well as I suspected the patch confirm that the led bar is controller by the luna so if the luna.conf is correctly showing that lightbar is enabled then maybe reinstall is the easiest way
May 11 15:14:46 <madnificent> sconix: could you paste what luna.conf should say wrt the lightbar?  It looks correct to mee
May 11 15:14:48 <madnificent> s/mee/me/
May 11 15:14:48 <infobot> madnificent meant: sconix: could you paste what luna.conf should say wrt the lightbar?  It looks correct to me
May 11 15:14:49 * halfhalo legally can't use flash on a site without a fallback for work... sadface
May 11 15:15:00 <sconix> there should be entry EnableLightBar=true
May 11 15:15:23 <madnificent> halfhalo: that's good practice :)
May 11 15:15:31 <madnificent> yeah, other values in that section?
May 11 15:15:50 <sconix> madnificent: and as far as I know luna.conf is not cached etc. so really don't know where to look for fix so reinstall maybe the only way
May 11 15:17:25 <madnificent> corNaviBrightnessScaler=40 \nGestureAnimationSpeedInMs=100 \nThrobberBrightnessInLight=100 \nThrobberBrightnessInDark=50
May 11 15:17:30 <madnificent> ^ that makes sense?
May 11 15:18:33 <sconix> before the coreNAviBrightnessScaled entry you should have EnbleLightBar=true
May 11 15:18:44 <madnificent> yeah, that's there, seemed redundant to mention it
May 11 15:18:51 <sconix> ok then I am out of ideas
May 11 15:18:55 <madnificent> well, thanks anyways... I still wonder though :)
May 11 15:19:13 <madnificent> yeah, perhaps I'll try to figure out what else could be wrong... browse some of the configuration files here or there :)
May 11 15:19:15 <sconix> since the inner workings of luna is bit mystery since its binary so hard to say what could cause it to fail as long as that config file is correct
May 11 15:19:25 <sconix> well I would look under /var
May 11 15:19:41 <sconix> there might be some cache or configuration file that overrides the /etc file
May 11 15:20:08 <PatrickC_Pre2> halfhalo: blink tags? lol
May 11 15:31:32 <madnificent> sconix: but then a reboot should fix it, no?
May 11 15:31:45 <madnificent> (wrt to cache)
May 11 15:32:38 <sconix> well no, there are cached files etc. that are not cleared on reboot
May 11 15:34:01 <sconix> but the point is that /etc is only modified by patches it should not have any changes to the files on normal use, and since the only pathc I know that effects that is the one that changes the enablelightbar which is not the problem then I think better change to find the reason is to look in /var
May 11 15:34:14 <sconix> which holds all sorts of files that effects how luna/system works
May 11 15:36:36 <madnificent> where are the cached files located?
May 11 15:37:34 <sconix> have no clue and the cached files was just an example, there are all sorts of configuration files etc under /var that might have effect
May 11 15:37:55 <madnificent> /var/cache/ doesn't contain anything with luna in it, so I guess it's to no avail :)
May 11 15:38:01 <madnificent> yeah, you're right
May 11 15:38:12 <sconix> yes /var/cache is mainly for the configurator
May 11 15:38:15 <madnificent> this could be like finding a needle in a haystack (but I'm intrigued) :)
May 11 15:38:42 <sconix> one "last" resort could be wiping the configuration with full eraase
May 11 15:43:12 <NuttyBunny> isn't  /var/file-cache   what you're looking for?
May 11 15:43:58 <madnificent> virtually the same as doctoring, no.  Actually, could some cruft be left over in the configuration of this after I've done an erase (left usb data in there)?
May 11 15:44:37 <madnificent> NuttyBunny: doesn't seem to contain any file with luna in its name either
May 11 15:44:58 <NuttyBunny> ah, I didn't know what you were looking for :)
May 11 15:45:35 <madnificent> was still relevant, might contain different files :)
May 11 15:48:23 <madnificent> I've done an 'Erase Apps & Data' in the past, might that have left cruft behind?
May 11 15:49:08 <NuttyBunny> mmmm... maybe, but not too likely
May 11 15:49:58 <madnificent> NuttyBunny: well, then I could do that and keep all data on my usb drive... must backup one application manually though
May 11 15:54:26 <PatrickC_Pre2> madnificent: what app?
May 11 15:56:45 <PatrickC_Pre2> madnificent: are you doctoring/full erasing?
May 11 16:11:50 <phoque_uni> hey
May 11 16:11:56 <phoque_uni> is it possible to downgrade a Pre-?
May 11 16:12:02 <phoque_uni> back to 1.4.5
May 11 16:12:07 <PatrickC_Pre2> yeah
May 11 16:12:14 <phoque_uni> just run the WebOS Doctor?
May 11 16:12:26 <PatrickC_Pre2> to use your 2.1 profile you need to erase backup data iirc
May 11 16:12:29 <PatrickC_Pre2> yeah, doctor
May 11 16:12:36 <phoque_uni> no, it'll be a new profile
May 11 16:12:48 <madnificent> PatrickC_Pre2: my own :)  users asked for a backup system but I haven't implemented it yet
May 11 16:13:11 <PatrickC_Pre2> madnificent: doctor/full erase?
May 11 16:13:51 <NuttyBunny> phoque_uni: just Doctor with the corresponding 1.4.5 Doctor, you'll be fine
May 11 16:14:01 <phoque_uni> OK, cool
May 11 16:14:02 <phoque_uni> thanks!
May 11 16:14:09 <madnificent> PatrickC_Pre2: not full erase :)
May 11 16:14:26 <PatrickC_Pre2> ah.. backup the .palm directory from the USB drive :)
May 11 16:20:01 <phoque_uni> dang
May 11 16:20:07 <phoque_uni> how do I run the doctor?
May 11 16:20:08 <phoque_uni> :-D
May 11 16:20:24 <NuttyBunny> phoque_uni: you've never run a doctor? :)
May 11 16:20:40 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
May 11 16:20:42 <phoque_uni> I've used the metadoctor
May 11 16:20:45 <phoque_uni> but not the normal one
May 11 16:20:59 <PatrickC_Pre2> run it the same way
May 11 16:21:07 * PatrickC_Pre2 uses a doctor at least once a month
May 11 16:21:22 <NuttyBunny> you can download it using the links on the webos internals "webos doctor versions" wiki, and then run it the same way
May 11 16:21:59 <PatrickC_Pre2> if he's made a meta-doctor, he already has the doctor
May 11 16:24:18 <RagingMind> PatrickC_Pre2, I see the Universe patch in preware
May 11 16:24:25 <PatrickC_Pre2> yep
May 11 16:24:31 <RagingMind> so you got everything figured out?
May 11 16:24:37 <PatrickC_Pre2> its been in there for a week or so iirc
May 11 16:24:38 <PatrickC_Pre2> yeah
May 11 16:24:45 <PatrickC_Pre2> I need to fix the app catalog next ;)
May 11 16:25:19 <PatrickC_Pre2> and make the bookmarks/history search Universe as well lol
May 11 16:44:06 <phoque_uni> ah
May 11 16:44:10 <phoque_uni> java -jar <file>
May 11 16:44:14 <phoque_uni> was the one I was looking for
May 11 16:48:34 <phoque_uni> is it possible to enable dev mode before activating a phone/creating a profile?
May 11 16:52:14 <PatrickC_Pre2> phoque_uni: meta-doctor :)
May 11 19:16:32 <ajay> hola
May 11 19:30:38 <ajay> anybody in here done a verizon frankenpre?
May 11 21:27:11 <ajay> paz!
May 11 21:40:00 <bebna_> i cannot create a profile or log in in my old on with my updated o2 pre now 2.1.0
May 11 21:40:21 <bebna_> does anybody know how to create a profile or login ?
May 12 01:26:52 <IGNTNUNLMTD> what's the status of the keyboard patch for 2.1?
May 12 02:10:06 <oc80z> werd.
May 12 02:10:20 <oc80z> we just got a server cabinet at work
May 12 02:11:11 <oc80z> fucking bringing my x2 xeons 2U tomorrow
May 12 02:11:27 <oc80z> ....
May 12 02:11:41 <oc80z> fuck....wires.
May 12 02:12:16 <oc80z> cant live with/without em.
May 12 02:13:52 <oc80z> (not going to happen, http://imgur.com/NcUn8)
May 12 02:17:31 <oc80z> ..shit im buzzed
May 12 02:17:34 * oc80z out
May 12 02:20:27 <IGNTNUNLMTD> lol
May 12 02:23:02 <Loudergood> that's cleaner and better lit than the rack at my work
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