**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri May 20 03:00:00 2011
May 20 04:40:52 <GhstRider> is there an issue with one of the feeds
May 20 04:41:34 <rwhitby> GhstRider: what are you experiencing?
May 20 04:41:36 <GhstRider> I can't seem to get the palm catalog feed in preware
May 20 04:42:12 <rwhitby> Yep, I tweeted about that yesterday.
May 20 04:42:17 <GhstRider> I get the palm updates feed but not the main palm
May 20 04:42:44 <GhstRider> well I haven't used twitter anymore
May 20 04:44:02 <GhstRider> is it something fixable
May 20 04:45:45 <rwhitby> the problem is at Palm's end in their XML feeds
May 20 04:46:06 <GhstRider> I forgot to uninstall the themee when I did the .1 update
May 20 04:46:28 <GhstRider> but haven't seen any issues from it
May 20 04:47:27 <GhstRider> hopefully palm will get it fixed
May 20 04:49:52 <GhstRider> I don't get verizon releasing a .1 update
May 20 04:51:00 <PatrickC> hey what fixed GhstRider?
May 20 04:51:28 <PatrickC> the .1 update fixed bugs
May 20 04:51:49 <GhstRider> looked like something that had to do with video attachements being broken
May 20 04:52:11 <GhstRider> you didn't read precentral
May 20 04:52:38 <PatrickC> nope
May 20 04:52:40 <PatrickC> not really
May 20 04:52:52 <PatrickC> the only vzw device I have is a dev device rarely used
May 20 04:53:11 <PatrickC> its only used to test stuff against 1.4.5(.1)
May 20 04:53:11 <GhstRider> I just think with all the time they spent into doing a .1 update they could of already done a 2.1 update
May 20 04:54:46 <PatrickC> cause, 2.1 is a lot harder to push out then a .1 update
May 20 04:54:56 <GhstRider> I can't install the hacked 2.1
May 20 04:55:05 <PatrickC> why not?
May 20 04:55:13 <GhstRider> no pc
May 20 04:55:26 <PatrickC> what do you mean?
May 20 04:55:39 <GhstRider> I have no computer/laptop
May 20 04:56:05 <PatrickC> how'd you install preware?
May 20 04:56:33 <GhstRider> at the time I installed it I was working at a computer store
May 20 04:56:54 <PatrickC> hrmm
May 20 04:57:06 <GhstRider> had a work computer with the stuff on it
May 20 04:57:15 <PatrickC> does any of your friends/relatives have one?
May 20 04:57:27 <GhstRider> don't have the job anymore
May 20 04:57:37 <GhstRider> nope
May 20 04:58:03 <PatrickC> do you have an old laptop that isn't used much?
May 20 04:58:10 <PatrickC> one that you could tether to?
May 20 04:58:22 <GhstRider> maybe when I move up to where my sis lives
May 20 04:58:23 <halfhalo> no computer generally means no computer...
May 20 04:58:34 <GhstRider> you got itt halo
May 20 04:58:40 <GhstRider> nada
May 20 04:58:43 <PatrickC> halfhalo: you have spare PC's.. send 'em one :)
May 20 04:58:55 <GhstRider> lol
May 20 04:59:00 <halfhalo> except in my case, where no computer means no computer within arms reach
May 20 04:59:07 <PatrickC> haha
May 20 04:59:16 <PatrickC> see... you have spares :)
May 20 04:59:35 <halfhalo> they all have their uses
May 20 04:59:49 * PatrickC has 1 *old* laptop
May 20 04:59:52 <GhstRider> right now I am using wifi from a motel across the street that has free wifi
May 20 05:00:15 <halfhalo> for example, this acer netbook makes a great coaster
May 20 05:00:19 <GhstRider> don't have a verizon service anymore
May 20 05:00:22 <PatrickC> lol
May 20 05:00:38 <PatrickC> ^^ was to halfhalo
May 20 05:00:59 <GhstRider> right now I'm living in a broken down motel effiency
May 20 05:01:15 * PatrickC « needs to go to bed
May 20 05:01:30 <PatrickC> GhstRider: hope you get to a PC soon..
May 20 05:01:42 <GhstRider> bottom dropped out this past year
May 20 05:01:56 <PatrickC> well, I'm off.. I have to get up in 5 ½ hrs
May 20 05:02:07 <GhstRider> have a good day
May 20 05:02:13 <PatrickC> you too
May 20 05:02:18 <PatrickC> hope all gets better
May 20 05:02:50 <PatrickC> oh, and if you need a navigation program... http://beta.ndrive.com
May 20 05:03:04 <PatrickC> you can do the entire thing from your pre+ and wifi
May 20 05:03:14 <PatrickC> and is offline routing
May 20 05:03:24 <GhstRider> isn't that the real expensive one
May 20 05:03:45 <PatrickC> the official one is, but that's the beta :)
May 20 05:03:49 <PatrickC> free app, free maps
May 20 05:04:01 <PatrickC> as long as you stay semi-active in the forums
May 20 05:04:15 <PatrickC> feature requests, helping, bug reports, etc
May 20 05:04:50 <PatrickC> just take a look at that link ;)
May 20 05:04:52 <GhstRider> ok
May 20 05:05:17 <GhstRider> I am
May 20 05:05:26 <PatrickC> you can email me @ patrickappcreator@gmail.comif you need any help with it, and the forums aren't fast enough :)
May 20 05:06:18 <PatrickC> well, I'm off
May 20 05:06:20 <PatrickC> goodnight
May 20 05:06:30 <GhstRider> nite
May 20 05:06:48 <PatrickC> oh, and I use nDrive on my unactivated pre2 with no internet, it works great offline! :)
May 20 05:06:50 <PatrickC> nigt
May 20 05:06:54 <PatrickC> night*
May 20 05:07:07 <GhstRider> I used to be a betatester for nanplayer
May 20 05:07:23 <GhstRider> nite
May 20 05:11:56 <GhstRider> lol no selection for webos 1.4.5
May 20 09:00:29 <andregarzia> Hello Folks, I am a new WebOS user and developer. I just downloaded WebOSQuickInstall on my mac, launched it with my unlocked Pre2 in developer mode and selected Preware and clicked install. It has a display dialog saying that it is installing preware but this has been running for 10 minutes or so, is this normal? does it take that long to install preware?
May 20 09:24:43 <Cerealklr|nommin> andregarzia: Morning!
May 20 09:25:13 <Cerealklr> still having issues?
May 20 09:56:21 <Cerealklr> Is anybody online with a device running 2.1 (non-emulated)?
May 20 10:36:24 <RichT23> andregarzia: Nope it should not take that long
May 20 13:47:36 <syn7ax> does someone ise Navit on palm pre?
May 20 13:49:40 <syn7ax> i do and got crashes after starting the destination
May 20 13:49:50 <syn7ax> webos 1.4.5
May 20 13:59:20 <syn7ax> is there no way with webos quick install to get an shell?
May 20 13:59:41 <syn7ax> i remember there was an option month ago..
May 20 14:11:23 <rwhitby> install the official Palm SDK and use novaterm
May 20 14:15:50 <syn7ax> https://cdn.downloads.palm.com/sdkdownloads/2.1.0.519/sdkBinaries/Palm_webOS_SDK-Win-2.1.0-519-x86.exe this one?´
May 20 14:17:52 <syn7ax> rwhitby
May 20 14:18:16 <rwhitby> https://developer.palm.com/content/resources/develop/sdk_pdk_download.html
May 20 14:19:40 <syn7ax> yes i got my link from there
May 20 14:25:21 <syn7ax> rwhitby : where can i find the novaterm in the sdk?
May 20 14:25:28 <syn7ax> its not in sartmenu
May 20 14:29:00 <rwhitby> syn7ax: it's installed on the path by the Linux and OSX versions of the SDK.  Dunno about Windows.
May 20 14:29:55 <syn7ax> i take a look in the installation folder.
May 20 14:30:28 <syn7ax> novacomd.exe ?
May 20 14:31:21 <syn7ax> found novaterm.bat
May 20 14:31:34 <NuttyBunny> nite Rod
May 20 14:31:45 <syn7ax> its workin
May 20 14:54:40 <Vic_Sage> do I have to sideload linphone?
May 20 14:54:47 <rwhitby> yes
May 20 14:55:26 <Vic_Sage> ok i guess i'll grab the new one then do that this afternoon
May 20 14:55:36 <Vic_Sage> how well does it work?
May 20 14:55:49 <rwhitby> reports from users are in the thread
May 20 14:55:54 <Vic_Sage> I know its in alpha but I am just wondering
May 20 14:57:07 <Vic_Sage> thread?
May 20 14:57:49 <rwhitby> PreCentral
May 20 14:57:59 <halfhalo> there's a thread on it on the <s>forum from hell</s> precentral
May 20 14:59:26 <NuttyBunny> halfhalo: it may be the forum from hell, but it has helped to keep webOS alive
May 20 14:59:47 <halfhalo> true
May 20 15:00:48 <Vic_Sage> you got a link?
May 20 15:00:53 * halfhalo finally will finish buildng node for the device tonight... pesky pthreads!
May 20 15:02:08 <Vic_Sage> I am looking around but I can't find anything on linphone in the forum
May 20 15:02:09 <rwhitby> Vic_Sage: http://tinyurl.com/44u75lv
May 20 15:03:05 * rwhitby bbt
May 20 15:03:43 <halfhalo> nightynight
May 20 15:03:59 <NuttyBunny> VG Name               store - Free  PE / Size       973 / 7.60 GB  -- hehehe
May 20 15:04:25 <halfhalo> in a vm?
May 20 15:04:56 <syn7ax> why i dont have apt-get on my palm pre?
May 20 15:05:01 <NuttyBunny> halfhalo: in "THE Pixi" ;)
May 20 15:05:10 <halfhalo> bah
May 20 15:05:10 <syn7ax> and also sudo is an unkown command? wtf
May 20 15:05:30 <NuttyBunny> syn7ax: because you use dpkg, and... you're root, you don't need sudo
May 20 15:06:47 <syn7ax> k
May 20 15:07:02 <Loudergood> all linux is not ubuntu
May 20 15:07:05 <syn7ax> how to start apps from shell..
May 20 15:07:14 <syn7ax> i got navit installed and would like to start it from shell.
May 20 15:07:24 <syn7ax> #navit wont work
May 20 15:07:51 <Vic_Sage> will the pre sideload method work on a pixi?
May 20 15:08:18 <NuttyBunny> syn7ax: no, your apps are installed in /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications
May 20 15:08:43 <NuttyBunny> most apps run under the Luna Sys Manager, and the PDK ones can be run alone
May 20 15:09:06 <NuttyBunny> you can find navit there, look inside appinfo.json to find the executable
May 20 15:09:28 <syn7ax> ok nice it start from shell
May 20 15:11:19 <Vic_Sage> how do i sideload on the palm pixi?
May 20 15:12:02 <Vic_Sage> all i'm getting from the linphone repository is a tar.gz file when I click snapshot?
May 20 15:14:10 <Vic_Sage> if anyone could heap i'd really appreciate it I am a bit of a n00b
May 20 15:14:14 <Vic_Sage> help
May 20 15:15:11 <halfhalo> you have to be given access to the linphone ipk's by one of the people running that, since the repo is the pure source for it
May 20 15:15:37 <Vic_Sage> who could I contact about that?
May 20 15:15:57 <halfhalo> rwhitby is one, dunno about the others
May 20 15:16:54 <Vic_Sage> rwhitby: could I please get the ipk for linphone
May 20 15:19:27 <Vic_Sage> really need this if you can help a guy out
May 20 15:19:59 <halfhalo> he just went to sleep, so it will be a while
May 20 15:20:56 <Vic_Sage> blast meanwhile I am wasting my page plus minutes to call people
May 20 15:21:18 <Vic_Sage> when I have a wifi router right next to me
May 20 15:32:40 <Vic_Sage> well is there a good tutorial for sideloading apps
May 20 15:33:21 <halfhalo> enable dev mode on device, install palm sdk on computer, type palm-install <ipkname>, done
May 20 15:34:11 <Vic_Sage> where do I get palm sdk
May 20 15:35:05 <halfhalo> google
May 20 15:36:34 <Vic_Sage> does prebrew work anymore?
May 20 15:36:48 <Vic_Sage> couldn't I just use that
May 20 15:40:12 <Vic_Sage> man some community this is I have to run around in circles just to find a tutorial
May 20 15:42:38 <mooneroid> Vic_Sage: seriously.  google 'webos sdk'.  the palm developer site has all the tutorial you need to install apps from your computer.
May 20 15:57:23 <Vic_Sage> but does prebrew work anymore?
May 20 16:02:32 <NuttyBunny> preware?
May 20 16:07:32 <NuttyBunny> Vic_Sage: Community... sorry, but you have to read, and read, and then read again.  To create the ipk from the linphone repo you need linux/cygwin, and compile it (or, find someone that has done it to get the ipk)
May 20 16:08:03 <NuttyBunny> Devmode: type upupdowndownleftrightleftrightbastart in card mode, a window appears, enable it there
May 20 16:08:16 <NuttyBunny> download the sdk, you did that already
May 20 16:10:20 <NuttyBunny> Preware: Once you have installed the sdk, run in a windows shell: "novaterm", and then, in the novaterm windows type the commands that are in the section "Installing Preware from the Commandline" from the Preware Wiki page: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware
May 20 16:11:02 <NuttyBunny> what else? ah, yes, to install apps, halfhalo already told you: palm-install <ipkname>
May 20 16:11:19 <Vic_Sage> in command line?
May 20 16:11:22 <NuttyBunny> The sdk is here: https://developer.palm.com/content/resources/develop/sdk_pdk_download.html
May 20 16:11:50 <NuttyBunny> Vic_Sage: Yes, from a windows shell, you need to have the sdk installed to run palm-install
May 20 16:12:06 <NuttyBunny> And.. I think that sums everything
May 20 16:12:56 <NuttyBunny> You're not the first, and won't be the last, but PreCentral has TONS of information, look for the webos-internals forum there, look for the stickies, and check the page, everything is in there
May 20 16:13:35 <Vic_Sage> ok this may be a bit of a stupid question how do I enable the speakers on the back of the phone for youtube?
May 20 16:14:18 <Vic_Sage> I wanna watch something on youtube but it is going through the ear speaker for when you get calls
May 20 16:14:23 <NuttyBunny> mmm... unless there's something wrong with your pixi, if you play a video with no headphones attached, it should sound via the back speakers
May 20 16:15:08 <NuttyBunny> plug some headphones, unplug them. try turning the volume up WHILE the video is running
May 20 16:15:11 <Vic_Sage> its only going through the regular phone speakers
May 20 16:15:48 <NuttyBunny> ah, btw... only one of the "two speakers" behind your Pixi is real
May 20 16:16:16 <Vic_Sage> ok how do I turn the volume up?
May 20 16:16:41 <Vic_Sage> sorry about my noobishness
May 20 16:16:49 <NuttyBunny> play a video, then press the volume up button on your pixi :P
May 20 16:17:01 <NuttyBunny> they're on the right side
May 20 16:17:57 <Vic_Sage> I wish there was a netflix player for this phone
May 20 16:17:57 <NuttyBunny> well, it's just that you should at least know all the buttons on your phone...... they're in the little page that came with it, I think it was called "manual" :P
May 20 16:18:24 * Vic_Sage bought OEM palm pixi from ebay
May 20 16:18:41 <NuttyBunny> ah, ok.... just the phone?
May 20 16:18:52 <Vic_Sage> yeah
May 20 16:19:00 <NuttyBunny> plus, right?
May 20 16:19:16 <Vic_Sage> yeah otherwise i'd never be on the net with it
May 20 16:19:32 <NuttyBunny> Get this to know your Pixi:  http://www.palm.com/us/support/handbooks/pixi/p120eww/Palm_Pixi_Plus_UG_VZN_EN.pdf
May 20 16:19:55 <Vic_Sage> ok I figured out the volume thing
May 20 16:20:30 <Vic_Sage> if there was a netflix player for this phoe it'd be perfect I was just playing a random ghostbusters episode
May 20 16:20:43 <NuttyBunny> btw, linphone outputs sound via the back speakers (bug/feature)
May 20 16:20:58 <NuttyBunny> netflix is supposed to be coming to the TouchPad
May 20 16:21:18 <Vic_Sage> will it be workable on the pixi?
May 20 16:21:50 <Vic_Sage> cool about the linphone
May 20 16:22:18 <Vic_Sage> nutty how well is linphone working for you?
May 20 16:23:14 <NuttyBunny> I don't use it, I don't have a SIP server to connect to :(
May 20 16:23:26 <Vic_Sage> I was looking at setting it up with sipgate then initiating calls via google voice
May 20 16:23:51 <Vic_Sage> otherwise i'd be paying for calls via some sip server
May 20 16:23:52 <NuttyBunny> Have you set up another sip phone software this way?
May 20 16:24:12 <Vic_Sage> well sipgate is only free for incoming calls
May 20 16:24:34 <Vic_Sage> do you know a better one?
May 20 16:24:57 <NuttyBunny> no idea, I don't use sip :)
May 20 16:25:23 <Vic_Sage> yeah I usually use google chat on my comp
May 20 16:25:51 <NuttyBunny> but you have never set up a sip phone on your computer via sipgate, have you?
May 20 16:27:14 <Vic_Sage> not really but it seems easy enough you just put the addy in and your set
May 20 16:28:22 <NuttyBunny> Ok... and, have you read through the linphone report thread on PreCentral?  I only read the first page and I saw that incoming calls were NOT working
May 20 16:29:03 <NuttyBunny> So, first, you should read the thread... second, install a sip phone on your computer, setup this sipgate with it, and test that you can properly make and/or receive your calls there
May 20 16:29:23 <NuttyBunny> then, as a third step, install linphone on your Pixi, configure it, and test it.
May 20 16:29:45 <NuttyBunny> No one will be happy if you just go and install linphone without knowing how to configure your server
May 20 16:31:04 <Vic_Sage> thats the first page though its probably referring to an earlier alpha
May 20 16:33:03 <Vic_Sage> sipgate is free you just need to initiate the calls over google voice
May 20 16:37:17 <NuttyBunny> well, do it the way you like. I'm just trying to help. Install it directly on your Pixi, skip the computer testing, whatever. I haven't even ever used linphone....
May 20 16:42:10 <dwc-> that reminds me, I should build myself a linphone ipk
May 20 16:44:59 <dwc-> oh, nuttybunny, you were asking about SIP on EDGE? assume 64kbps of bandwidth for ulaw/alaw, and assume some lag for the latency ...
May 20 16:45:54 <NuttyBunny> dwc-: It was not for me, I'm not the one trying to use linphone on T-Mobile with a Pixi ;)
May 20 16:48:01 <dwc-> oh, nevermind then
May 20 16:55:15 <NuttyBunny> I'm soooooo mean!!! :D   @echo "NOW EVERYTHING IS GONE.  Not even the webOS Doctor will save your Pixi"
May 20 17:12:46 <PatrickC> freeTether FTW!! thanks devs!
May 20 17:13:52 <NuttyBunny> LOL
May 20 17:14:21 * NuttyBunny tests "The" Pixi
May 20 17:14:51 <PatrickC> "The" lol
May 20 17:15:16 * PatrickC is on freeTether right now :D
May 20 17:15:36 <NuttyBunny> yep, I'm doing a Makefile, it already has a "destroy" target, which wipes everything, and then displays the message: "NOW EVERYTHING IS GONE.  Not even the webOS Doctor will save your Pixi"
May 20 17:15:59 <PatrickC> uhoh
May 20 17:16:05 <NuttyBunny> of course, it also has a "rebuild" target, which recreates the partitions with the correct sizes
May 20 17:16:13 <PatrickC> why can't the doctor save it?
May 20 17:16:24 <PatrickC> ah.. partitions lol
May 20 17:16:32 * PatrickC has some experience with those... stupid SHR
May 20 17:17:13 <NuttyBunny> maybe it can, maybe it can't... I'll try :D
May 20 17:17:43 <PatrickC> lol
May 20 17:17:43 <PatrickC> and if it can't?
May 20 17:18:13 <NuttyBunny> then it will be fine, because with the rebuild one it will be able to do it
May 20 17:18:33 <PatrickC> ah
May 20 17:18:44 * PatrickC wishes he was that smart
May 20 17:22:57 <dwc-> hm, preware has one of the wirc's backdated again
May 20 17:24:39 <PatrickC> what do you mean?
May 20 17:25:34 <dwc-> open up preware, go to 'available packages'
May 20 17:25:50 <dwc-> punch in wirc and look at when they were last updated
May 20 17:26:08 <PatrickC> oh yeah.. I remember that bug..
May 20 17:26:11 <PatrickC> oh oil :)
May 20 17:31:54 <Cerealklr> Back!
May 20 17:32:06 <Cerealklr> So, I found something out yesterday!
May 20 17:32:14 <dwc-> yay learning!
May 20 17:32:16 <Cerealklr> Last night, more accurately
May 20 17:32:19 <PatrickC> what? what?
May 20 17:32:37 <Cerealklr> I was beaten to the finish line by a month or few. =P
May 20 17:32:43 <Cerealklr> No clue how my original googling didn't turn it up
May 20 17:32:51 <PatrickC> what?
May 20 17:33:01 <Cerealklr> but the gent whose python script for 1.3 inspired me to start working on my exporter
May 20 17:33:09 <Cerealklr> actually got around to fixing it up an updating for 2.x
May 20 17:33:17 <Cerealklr> I havn't tested it myself
May 20 17:33:20 <Cerealklr> but it certainly exists
May 20 17:33:24 <Cerealklr> and the code all looks fine
May 20 17:33:28 <PatrickC> what????
May 20 17:33:40 <Cerealklr> it might need a monkey patch to export chat msgs too, since it looked like he disabled that in the export stage
May 20 17:33:43 * PatrickC is curious
May 20 17:34:09 <PatrickC> oh. the chat backup?
May 20 17:34:13 <Cerealklr> http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2964317
May 20 17:34:16 <Cerealklr> yep
May 20 17:34:23 <Cerealklr> RCMarvin got me on both counts, looks like
May 20 17:34:40 <Cerealklr> still not on-device (and looks Windows specific) but I'd hate to step on his toes.
May 20 17:35:26 <PatrickC> well.. I'm on 2.1, so I don't really have a need for it
May 20 17:35:50 <Cerealklr> Heh, well Rod sought me ought a few days ago
May 20 17:36:00 <PatrickC> if you could bring 2.1.2 to my phone, then we would be talking :)
May 20 17:36:14 <Cerealklr> and asked if I had been in touch with Marv (b/c he'd presumably seen the same script I had)
May 20 17:36:31 <Cerealklr> and I mentioned that I hadn't but his seemed inactive -- not so I guess!
May 20 17:36:53 <Cerealklr> I suppose I may as well toss rcmarvin a PM to check if he minds
May 20 17:37:04 <Cerealklr> if Not, Rod would still probably prefer an on-device solution
May 20 17:37:25 <PatrickC> on-device would be amazing
May 20 17:37:31 <Cerealklr> and since his is in python and relies on an external windows binary for SQLite that'd require some, erm, extensive dependencies.
May 20 17:37:34 <Cerealklr> =P
May 20 17:38:28 <dwc-> "sqlite3.exe to export data from PalmDatabase.db3"
May 20 17:38:38 <dwc-> why can't you use the sqlite3 on the phone?
May 20 17:39:04 <Cerealklr> Well, what I'm wondering is why he needed to use an external executable to do it in the first place
May 20 17:39:13 <Cerealklr> Python has is chock full of libraries
May 20 17:39:15 <destinal> PatrickC: on device what?
May 20 17:39:24 <Cerealklr> and in fact, the script I'd originally seen
May 20 17:39:28 <Cerealklr> just used one of them
May 20 17:39:36 <dwc-> I don't see any python in the attached zip file
May 20 17:39:46 <PatrickC> destinal: on-device text backup
May 20 17:39:50 <Cerealklr> open the scripts.
May 20 17:39:53 <dwc-> html/css/js/sql/sh/sqlite3.exe/.bat
May 20 17:40:26 <dwc-> are we looking at the same post?
May 20 17:40:30 <dwc-> http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2964317#post2954946
May 20 17:40:53 <PatrickC> ^^ was about to post that :)
May 20 17:41:05 <NuttyBunny> ok, hp logo.. pulsating...
May 20 17:41:20 <PatrickC> Pixi?!
May 20 17:42:03 <PatrickC> NuttyBunny: distributable?
May 20 17:42:04 <Cerealklr> oh wow
May 20 17:42:37 <PatrickC> Cerealklr: yeah
May 20 17:42:40 <Cerealklr> I opened
May 20 17:42:44 <Cerealklr> the wrong zip file.
May 20 17:42:48 <Cerealklr> Excuse me
May 20 17:42:49 <Cerealklr> while I hang myself.
May 20 17:42:53 <Cerealklr> =P
May 20 17:42:59 <dwc-> ebkac!
May 20 17:42:59 <Cerealklr> The problem with ZSH
May 20 17:43:06 <Cerealklr> is tab completion is just a little too easy
May 20 17:43:13 <PatrickC> nuttybunny is working hard on the 2.1 pixi
May 20 17:43:15 <halfhalo> zsh is AWESOME
May 20 17:43:18 <PatrickC> when he should be working on my scripts :P
May 20 17:43:18 <Cerealklr> so you just type .zip
May 20 17:43:22 <halfhalo> NO SPEAKY BAD ABOUT ZSH
May 20 17:43:28 <Cerealklr> and don't even bother to make sure
May 20 17:43:33 <Cerealklr> you unzipped the right file.
May 20 17:43:36 <Cerealklr> =P
May 20 17:43:46 <PatrickC> lol
May 20 17:44:29 <Cerealklr> Okay, next person to catch rwhitby, let him know that RCMarvin beat me to the solution by a few weeks, and is simply more antisocial about it. =D
May 20 17:45:43 <Cerealklr> Same for preoccupied: he mentioned earlier he was willing to donate for it, so make sure he gets directed to the right place. =P
May 20 17:46:00 <NuttyBunny> PatrickC, scripts? Javascripts?? :)
May 20 17:46:03 <Cerealklr> I guess it's back to boring old learning the Mojo SDK and PDK for me =D
May 20 17:46:19 <PatrickC> NuttyBunny: Msg'ing plugins :)
May 20 17:46:46 <PatrickC> Cerealklr: no mojo
May 20 17:47:03 <PatrickC> wait for enyo :)
May 20 17:47:05 <Cerealklr> porque?
May 20 17:47:23 <PatrickC> huh? lol
May 20 17:47:32 <Cerealklr> pero me gusta mucho el aprendizaje
May 20 17:47:43 <NuttyBunny> The weird thing is, although the framebuffer seems corrupted, it looks faster than ever
May 20 17:47:45 <PatrickC> NuttyBunny: translate? :)
May 20 17:47:53 <PatrickC> howso?
May 20 17:47:59 <NuttyBunny> PatrickC: But I like learning a lot
May 20 17:48:08 <Cerealklr> Oh right, someone who actually speaks spanish, my grammar was probably atrocious
May 20 17:48:14 <Cerealklr> it's been a year since my last class. =P
May 20 17:48:22 <PatrickC> learning what? lol
May 20 17:48:26 <PatrickC> Cerealklr: hehehe
May 20 17:48:27 <NuttyBunny> Cerealklr: No, in fact it was spot on :)
May 20 17:48:33 <Cerealklr> Wooo!
May 20 17:48:37 * PatrickC speaks American.. not English
May 20 17:48:47 <Cerealklr> Cheerio then!
May 20 17:48:49 <PatrickC> what did it say?? lol
May 20 17:48:57 * NuttyBunny speaks Mexican, not Spanish ;)
May 20 17:48:58 <Cerealklr> Exactly what Nutty said it did. =P
May 20 17:49:12 <PatrickC> oh haha
May 20 17:49:21 <PatrickC> I thought that was what he was saying :P
May 20 17:49:37 <Cerealklr> Anyway, I am learning Enyo as well
May 20 17:49:42 <Cerealklr> but unfortunately I doubt I'll have a use for it
May 20 17:49:46 <Cerealklr> any time soon
May 20 17:49:53 <Cerealklr> whereas my trusty Minus is still my perpetual companion
May 20 17:49:53 <PatrickC> its just that you used a few words and he said a ton :P
May 20 17:49:58 <Cerealklr> =D
May 20 17:50:13 <PatrickC> Enyo will be used by all webos devices I hope
May 20 17:50:21 <PatrickC> I believe it runs on all devices
May 20 17:50:25 <Cerealklr> After seeing the pictures of it, I hope so too
May 20 17:50:32 <Cerealklr> but I think it still has some scalability issues
May 20 17:50:43 <Cerealklr> judging by the fact they chose to ship 2.1 on the handhelds
May 20 17:50:45 <Cerealklr> rather than 3.0
May 20 17:51:36 <Cerealklr> On the other hand, the recent news about new devices, one of which handheld and keyboardless, lends credence to the possibility that Palm is just about ready to get 3.0 onto the smaller screens. =]
May 20 17:52:31 <NuttyBunny> 2.1 Pixi photo app: http://twitpic.com/505rhy
May 20 17:52:48 <PatrickC> anyone here in the Eastern Time Zone?
May 20 17:52:54 <NuttyBunny> something's VERY wrong here :)
May 20 17:52:56 <Cerealklr> It's working fine, that's just the new loading screen
May 20 17:52:59 <Cerealklr> all good.
May 20 17:53:03 <Cerealklr> =]
May 20 17:53:35 <PatrickC> NuttyBunny: what? hehe
May 20 17:53:38 <NuttyBunny> LOL
May 20 17:53:55 <PatrickC> oh.. just saw the screenshot
May 20 17:53:56 <PatrickC> haha
May 20 17:54:08 * PatrickC ducks for cover
May 20 17:55:51 <Cerealklr> Urghh, can I be at the Palm Developer Conference yet?
May 20 17:56:03 <Cerealklr> The rest of the month and most of next month needs to hurry up and pass already.
May 20 17:56:06 <Cerealklr> =D
May 20 17:57:15 <PatrickC> not next month
May 20 17:57:22 <PatrickC> next month I get my Touchpad!! :P
May 20 17:57:32 <Cerealklr> You do huh?
May 20 17:57:35 <Cerealklr> Were you planning to share?
May 20 17:57:38 <Cerealklr> =
May 20 17:57:40 <Cerealklr> =D *
May 20 17:57:44 <PatrickC> heh
May 20 17:57:59 <PatrickC> its suppose to release sometime in June
May 20 17:58:08 <Cerealklr> Well, Sometime in June
May 20 17:58:12 <Cerealklr> lines up nicely
May 20 17:58:14 <Cerealklr> with mid-June
May 20 17:58:18 <Cerealklr> which in turn
May 20 17:58:20 <Cerealklr> is directly between
May 20 17:58:23 <Cerealklr> the two Palm Developer Conferences
May 20 17:58:26 <Cerealklr> =D
May 20 17:58:59 <PatrickC> lol
May 20 17:59:08 <halfhalo> or is it...
May 20 17:59:43 <Cerealklr> Evidently we need to go into a Conference WITHIN a conference within a conference, because on the third level of conferencing, time slows down.
May 20 18:00:49 <Cerealklr> I'll be right back, my server is begging for a restart
May 20 18:00:57 <Cerealklr> some process which I cannot find out
May 20 18:00:58 <PatrickC> ok lol
May 20 18:01:00 <Cerealklr> has managed to die in such a way
May 20 18:01:13 <Cerealklr> as to register a significant portion of my 1st screenbuffer
May 20 18:01:19 <Cerealklr> and leave it inaccessible
May 20 18:01:31 <Cerealklr> so there is just a huge dead square on the screen that absorbs mouse input
May 20 18:01:34 <Cerealklr> -.-
May 20 18:01:46 <Cerealklr> bbs
May 20 18:07:33 <Loudergood> I usually use xkill when that happens ;)
May 20 18:08:13 <Cerealklr> xkill can kill a buffer not assoc'd with a running program?
May 20 18:08:31 <Loudergood> I have no idea
May 20 18:09:08 <Loudergood> it's just gotten me out of some odd glitches that would otherwise have required at least an X restart
May 20 18:09:24 <Cerealklr> very cool
May 20 18:09:27 <Loudergood> ooh rumbling outside, I guess I'm not going to change my oil today
May 20 18:12:58 <halfhalo> bah
May 20 18:14:53 <undrwater> owdy all
May 20 19:28:35 <Vic_Sage> could I get an ipk??
May 20 19:28:42 <Vic_Sage> for linphone?
May 20 19:28:59 <Vic_Sage> please
May 20 21:45:33 <NuttyBunny> Ok, I need another Pixi, let the donations begin ;)
May 20 21:45:36 <NuttyBunny> LOL
May 20 21:45:49 <dwc-> how broken is it
May 20 21:45:50 <NuttyBunny> j/k
May 20 21:45:58 <NuttyBunny> not broken at all
May 20 21:46:00 <NuttyBunny> it's fine
May 20 21:46:07 <NuttyBunny> but did you see the screenshot?
May 20 21:46:23 <NuttyBunny> http://twitpic.com/505rhy
May 20 21:50:48 <dwc-> nice
May 20 22:42:40 <rwhitby> NuttyBunny: maybe it's a 3D Pixi - did you try looking at it through some 3D glasses?
May 20 22:43:23 <NuttyBunny> rwhitby: hehehe... yep, maybe... dang, this should had happened on April 1st :D
May 20 22:54:54 <NuttyBunny> rwhitby: Look, from tar help: "-l, --check-links          print a message if not all links are dumped"  .... could work for cygwin, if it dumps an error, it bails :)
May 20 22:55:48 <undrwater> welcome back raster
May 20 23:00:11 <raster> ola
May 20 23:04:38 <undrwater> anxious to see the fruits of your work
May 20 23:23:16 <Vic_Sage-TheQues> how do I get the ipk for the new linphone?
May 20 23:23:46 <Vic_Sage-TheQues> I have linphone figured out on my comp
May 20 23:37:31 <rwhitby-pre> what is your device and sip provider?
May 20 23:38:00 <Vic_Sage-TheQues> pixi
May 20 23:38:07 <Vic_Sage-TheQues> sipgate
May 20 23:40:13 <rwhitby-pre> Vic_Sage-TheQues: see /msg and report in precentral thread
May 20 23:41:42 <Vic_Sage-TheQues> how well is it working ATM?
May 20 23:41:46 <rwhitby-pre> Vic_Sage-TheQues: I'm not the developer, nor do I use it. It's alpha testing, with results in the thread.
May 20 23:42:14 <Vic_Sage-TheQues> oh I thought you were a developer
May 20 23:44:37 <Vic_Sage-TheQues> cool now I gotta sideload
May 20 23:45:16 <Vic_Sage-TheQues> does prebrew still work?
May 20 23:45:42 <Vic_Sage-TheQues> I like that because you just drag and drop the palm sdk looks involved
May 20 23:56:15 <Vic_Sage-TheQues> hey ct
May 20 23:56:37 <ctbeiser> hey
May 20 23:57:18 <Vic_Sage-TheQues> I wish there was a more seamless way to do calls I have to initiate a call on google voice then answer linphone it looks like
May 20 23:57:59 <Vic_Sage-TheQues> atleast I can dump my home phone
May 21 00:00:15 <Vic_Sage-TheQues> I was excited about t-mobiles free wifi calling but that turned out to be a crock
May 21 00:01:23 <Vic_Sage-TheQues> hey oil
May 21 00:01:27 <Vic_Sage-TheQues> whats the haps
May 21 00:01:42 <oil> eh?
May 21 00:01:53 <Vic_Sage-TheQues> i'm just saying hey
May 21 00:02:00 <oil> hey
May 21 00:02:13 <Vic_Sage-TheQues> how do I get my palm pixi in developer mode
May 21 00:02:27 <oil> the same way you get any webos device into developer mode?
May 21 00:04:32 <Vic_Sage-TheQues> i'm a bit of a n00b
May 21 00:05:19 <oil> http://tinyurl.com/3xmwpo8 :)
May 21 00:08:41 <Vic_Sage-TheQues> what is card view??
May 21 00:09:08 <oil> really?
May 21 00:09:16 <oil> cant figure that out?
May 21 00:09:25 <Vic_Sage-TheQues> excuse the noobishness
May 21 00:09:46 <Vic_Sage-TheQues> is that in app catalog?
May 21 00:11:37 <oil> i have confidence you'll be able to figure out how to get into dev mode
May 21 00:12:07 <Vic_Sage-TheQues> yeah I see where you have to enter that stuff but what is card view?
May 21 00:12:13 <halfhalo> ...
May 21 00:13:39 <Vic_Sage-TheQues> ok i am at the app screen
May 21 00:14:00 <Vic_Sage-TheQues> with messaging web
May 21 00:14:09 <Vic_Sage-TheQues> etc what do I do there
May 21 00:15:59 <Vic_Sage-TheQues> how the hell do I get to card view
May 21 00:21:59 <Vic_Sage-TheQues> I did it
May 21 00:22:02 <Vic_Sage-TheQues> huzzah
May 21 00:22:42 <Vic_Sage-TheQues> wish you guys just told me i had to press colorful buttons LOL
May 21 00:23:37 <Vic_Sage-TheQues> ok i might have free wifi calling at home yet
May 21 00:28:20 <oil> nice
May 21 00:32:58 <Vic_Sage-TheQues> well I don't have wifi to test it atm but hopefully it works
May 21 00:33:24 <Vic_Sage-TheQues> hooked on phonics worked for me
May 21 00:33:27 <Vic_Sage-TheQues> lol
May 21 00:34:10 <Vic_Sage-TheQues> sucks with sipgate that I have to initiate calls via google
May 21 00:35:34 <rwhitby> Vic_Sage-TheQues: FYI, #webos-internals channel is not for general webOS end-user support.
May 21 00:36:12 <Vic_Sage-TheQues> sorry I was trying to figure out linphone and got sidetracked
May 21 00:36:16 <dwc-> "have to" ?
May 21 00:36:41 <Vic_Sage-TheQues> well if I don't wanna pay money to use it via wifi
May 21 00:37:16 <dwc-> "sucks with sipgate" is "they were ONLY nice enough to provide free *incoming* calls?"
May 21 00:37:51 <dwc-> if you find a provider that gives you unlimited outbound minutes, maybe you should switch to them
May 21 00:39:30 <Vic_Sage-TheQues> yeah tis hard these days
May 21 00:39:52 <Vic_Sage-TheQues> I used to use gizmo5 as a backdoor into google
May 21 00:41:40 <Vic_Sage-TheQues> ok I figured that out hopefully everything is hunky dory when I go to test it tomorrow
May 21 00:44:57 <Vic_Sage-TheQues> sorry for sullying your fine channel with my noobishness
May 21 00:45:46 <oil> i knew you would figure it out :)
May 21 00:48:41 <rwhitby> we love teaching folks how to fish here ...
May 21 00:49:04 <Vic_Sage-TheQues> i'd put games on it but I don't see the alure to playing games on a 2 inch screen
May 21 00:49:32 <oil> when you're really bored somewhere and its in your pocket
May 21 00:49:41 <oil> like, waiting at the DMV
May 21 00:49:51 <rwhitby> or driving on the freeway
May 21 00:49:55 <oil> heh
May 21 00:50:12 <Vic_Sage-TheQues> rwhitby wants to kill me :P
May 21 00:50:32 <oil> im not a fan of games which try to do on-screen-joystick or dpad type stuff
May 21 00:50:48 <oil> but games made for a touchscreen like angry birds are plenty fun on a small screen
May 21 00:51:01 <Vic_Sage-TheQues> ok I will put pacman on there
May 21 00:52:15 <Vic_Sage-TheQues> I tried using the internet on there and I truly don't see the allure
May 21 00:52:47 <Vic_Sage-TheQues> and people pay crazy amounts for these data plans
May 21 00:53:31 <dwc-> I'm paying $5/mo
May 21 00:54:34 <Vic_Sage-TheQues> for how much data?
May 21 00:54:45 <Vic_Sage-TheQues> 250mb?
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