**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jun 04 02:59:56 2011
Jun 04 04:21:53 * halfhalo wants a wosi sticker now.....
Jun 04 04:25:01 <jzink> good evening everyone have a quick question about a frankenpre from verizon with sprint com
Jun 04 04:25:32 <jzink> Im not getting internet, i did a full reset and it deleted the stuff i guess necessary to get internet working
Jun 04 04:26:16 <cryptk> how did you make the doctor?
Jun 04 04:26:18 <jzink> any version of meta-doctor i use will give me the same problem with no EV
Jun 04 04:26:27 <cryptk> and you used the meta-script?
Jun 04 04:26:34 <jzink> I baked the token key in for the 1.4
Jun 04 04:27:03 <cryptk> is this a Pre Plus with a sprint comms, or a Pre2 with a sprint comms?
Jun 04 04:27:11 <jzink> sprint pre plus
Jun 04 04:27:19 <jzink> pre plus with sprint coms
Jun 04 04:27:39 <cryptk> hrm, I don't have any experience with those... just with the sprint Pre2's
Jun 04 04:27:54 <jzink> I shouldnt of messed with it
Jun 04 04:28:00 <jzink> it was working when i just swapped it
Jun 04 04:28:15 <jzink> swapped the comms
Jun 04 04:28:16 <halfhalo> as far as I know wiping my sprint pre plus didn't affect it at all in regards to internet setup
Jun 04 04:28:47 <jzink> I did the ##786# reset
Jun 04 04:28:53 <jzink> and then after that I had no internet
Jun 04 04:28:59 <jzink> It was working before the full reset
Jun 04 04:29:08 <jzink> but I couldnt get the profile to load
Jun 04 04:29:31 <jzink> kept getting an error but on palm.com/profile it showed 1.4 and not the 9.9.9
Jun 04 04:29:37 <jzink> and I shut off backups before
Jun 04 04:29:44 <jzink> swapping comms that is
Jun 04 04:30:15 <jzink> Which script should I be using for the frankenpre 1
Jun 04 04:30:18 <jzink> for sprint
Jun 04 04:31:07 <jzink> I thought id just use the sprint 2.1 script but idk if thats right
Jun 04 04:31:18 <cryptk> not sure to be honest
Jun 04 04:31:22 <cryptk> I have never done one myself
Jun 04 04:31:42 <halfhalo> yeah, I swapped mine a year ago before all these fancy scripts were out
Jun 04 04:32:07 <jzink> lol yeah ive been meaning to get to it but decided prices were so cheap now with 3 coming out soon
Jun 04 04:32:36 <jzink> and it worked fine after comm swap, i was able to fully download all my backups from palm
Jun 04 04:32:46 <jzink> and it installed all my apps on my pre +
Jun 04 04:32:56 <jzink> but i must of messed up on the token i guess
Jun 04 04:33:00 <jzink> because now its mad
Jun 04 04:33:50 <jzink> I baked the tokens in the 1.4.5
Jun 04 04:34:01 <jzink> sprint version
Jun 04 04:34:13 <jzink> and then installed the meta-doctor and thats when things started messing up
Jun 04 04:34:15 <halfhalo> i only did the tokens once, never needed to after that
Jun 04 04:34:20 <jzink> and its been kind of down hill eversince
Jun 04 04:34:43 <cryptk> if you had it all working, why did you change tokens?
Jun 04 04:35:04 <jzink> because I was switching to 2.1 and though it was necessary
Jun 04 04:35:22 <halfhalo> yeah, the pre plus is working fine on 2.1 right now
Jun 04 04:35:35 <halfhalo> and by fine, I mean no signal, which is normal for sprint here
Jun 04 04:36:22 <jzink> lol, well i have pretty good coverage here so its not a big deal of coverage and I have phone and whatever now but no sign of internet unless i kick in wifi
Jun 04 04:36:34 <halfhalo> make a non tokenized metadoctor and try that
Jun 04 04:36:35 <jzink> the NMI or whatever is showing wrong though
Jun 04 04:36:54 <jzink> it should be my usernamefromsprintwhatever@sprintpcs.com
Jun 04 04:37:10 <jzink> but its showing myesn@sprintpcs.com
Jun 04 04:37:14 <jzink> maybe thats the problem?
Jun 04 04:37:33 <jzink> http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/palm-pre/79996-palm-pre-comprehensive-guide-switching-carriers-please-sticky.html
Jun 04 04:37:40 <jzink> I was thinking maybe this was the solution
Jun 04 04:37:59 <jzink> it says if ur switching carriers and u have no internet that this would be a solution
Jun 04 04:38:13 <jzink> changing the nmi with cdma workshop
Jun 04 04:38:25 <jzink> using the novacom python script
Jun 04 04:38:30 <jzink> but i was getting a syntax error
Jun 04 04:38:51 <jzink> im a .net programmer and its very similar, i can read it but some things are a little different
Jun 04 04:39:55 <halfhalo> I don't know if it would do anything
Jun 04 04:46:34 <cryptk> well, technically you shouldn't need to do any of that
Jun 04 04:46:42 <cryptk> what instruction are you following jzink
Jun 04 04:49:36 <jzink> Step 2: So you want linux you say? (“Rooting” the Pre)
Jun 04 04:49:52 <jzink> then once I do step 2 i can do step 4
Jun 04 04:49:56 <cryptk> that isn't an answer to the question I asked
Jun 04 04:50:22 <cryptk> what instructions are you following on how to do the Pre Plus conversion, and what instructions for doing the 2.1 meta-doc
Jun 04 04:50:28 <cryptk> a URL would be a valid answer
Jun 04 04:50:42 <jzink> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor
Jun 04 04:51:00 <jzink> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Sprint_Pre_Plus#Baking_tokens_into_the_meta-sprint-pre-2.1.0_script
Jun 04 04:52:01 <cryptk> I thought that you said that after you did the Frankenpre+ conversion that your palm profile was showing 1.4
Jun 04 04:57:28 <jzink> http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre-tips-information-resources/259077-pre-plus-sprint-step-step-conversion-guide.html
Jun 04 04:57:31 <jzink> forgot this one
Jun 04 04:57:39 <jzink> this is where it seemed to have fallen apart
Jun 04 04:58:01 <jzink> <Section name="tokens" type="token" size="4KB"> 				<Val name="installer" value="trenchcoat"/> 				<Val name="ProdSN" action="overwrite" value="x"/> 				<Val name="ModemSN" action="overwrite" value="X"/> 				<Val name="BATToRSP" action="overwrite" value="x"/> 				<Val name="BATToCH" action="overwrite" value="x"/> 				<Val name="DMSVRoNONCE" action="overwrite" value="x"/> 				<Val name="DMSVRoAUTHPW" action="overwrite" value="
Jun 04 04:58:07 <jzink> I did this token part
Jun 04 04:58:15 <jzink> and then after I wasnt able to login to my profile
Jun 04 04:58:27 <jzink> so I rebuilt the meta doctor again bypassing the first screen
Jun 04 04:58:32 <jzink> this was 1.4.5
Jun 04 04:59:11 <jzink> I had internet but could not sign into my palm profile or google
Jun 04 04:59:25 <jzink> but facebook and some others were working
Jun 04 04:59:41 <jzink> but I think no internet was working
Jun 04 04:59:48 <jzink> not internet but email
Jun 04 05:00:00 <jzink> off of 3g
Jun 04 05:00:18 <jzink> and even with wifi enabled it wouldnt let me get the palm profile to load
Jun 04 05:00:25 <jzink> IDK whats going on with it
Jun 04 05:00:36 <jzink> maybe I should convert back to the palm pre -
Jun 04 05:00:48 <jzink> and then once that is all back up go back to the palm pre +
Jun 04 05:03:04 <cryptk> well, you definitely did something wrong along the way
Jun 04 05:03:17 <cryptk> and it may have to do with the fact that you are following multiple different instructions
Jun 04 05:06:15 <jzink> Well I hope swapping it back will resolve the issue lol
Jun 04 05:06:27 <jzink> im going to swap it real quick and see if it comes back to life
Jun 04 05:07:08 <jzink> maybe I should reset it again and let it do the activation on the old phone
Jun 04 05:11:33 <cryptk> you definitely went wrong somewhere
Jun 04 05:12:29 <jzink> well its booting now
Jun 04 05:12:38 <jzink> we'll see how going back to the pre(-) works out
Jun 04 05:13:12 <jzink> I shouldnt of tried baking the tokens
Jun 04 05:13:17 <jzink> thats was my first mistake
Jun 04 05:13:36 <jzink> if it aint broken, dont fix it right?
Jun 04 05:13:45 <jzink> lesson learned on that one
Jun 04 05:19:25 <jzink> so what I did was put the comm back in the original phone and am doing a reset on that to make it go through the wireless activation
Jun 04 05:19:36 <jzink> I was having some issues with that on the palm pre +
Jun 04 05:19:41 <jzink> which is why i bypassed wit
Jun 04 05:19:45 <jzink> t*
Jun 04 05:19:47 <jzink> it*
Jun 04 05:22:17 <cryptk> so something wasn't working right... and instead of figuring out why, you figured to jsut skip over that part
Jun 04 05:22:36 <jzink> it all came back to the tokens
Jun 04 05:23:08 <jzink> once I did the tokens it blew up
Jun 04 05:24:27 <cryptk> my question is why did you do the tokens?
Jun 04 05:25:24 <jzink> stupidity got a hold of me and told me to do it
Jun 04 05:25:25 <jzink> lol
Jun 04 05:26:31 <cryptk> so you had no reason to do it even though it says "in the event that your Palm Profile is version 9.9.9 or the normal Sprint script creates a doctor incompatible with your device."
Jun 04 05:26:33 <jzink> I assumed u had to do them
Jun 04 05:27:59 <cryptk> and did you put in the castle.xml exactly what is there in the wiki, or did you substitute in your own tokens?
Jun 04 05:28:16 <jzink> I put it exactly the way they put it in the wki
Jun 04 05:28:18 <jzink> wiki
Jun 04 05:28:26 <cryptk> to use your personal "tokens
Jun 04 05:28:31 <cryptk> Add your personal tokens after the "env" Section" (note: no value below should be left as 'x'):
Jun 04 05:28:43 <jzink> yep
Jun 04 05:28:56 <cryptk> but you just said you used exactly whta is in the wiki
Jun 04 05:29:08 <cryptk> so which is it.. did you use what is in the wiki, or did you put in your tokens
Jun 04 05:30:21 <jzink> I used the information from my tokens
Jun 04 05:30:28 <jzink> and put them where the x's were
Jun 04 05:30:46 <jzink> and made sure none of them were X or blank
Jun 04 05:31:44 <cryptk> ok, so you did not copy exactly what is in the wiki
Jun 04 05:31:53 <cryptk> you used your tokens
Jun 04 05:32:00 <cryptk> were there any errors during the doctor at all?
Jun 04 05:34:09 <jzink> no
Jun 04 05:34:19 <cryptk> were you watching the console output?
Jun 04 05:34:23 <jzink> yes
Jun 04 05:34:45 <cryptk> odd, because I know of at least 4 errors that are thrown on every doctor
Jun 04 05:37:37 <Lumiere> having fun cryptk?
Jun 04 05:38:16 * halfhalo hands Lumiere some popcorn for the show
Jun 04 05:38:38 <jzink> <INFO> 100 percent complete May 9, 2011 7:50:54 AM com.palm.nova.installer.recoverytool.CardController logPrint INFO: Trenchcoat: tar: ./md5sums.gz: time stamp 2011-05-09 14:43:22 is 24803.574890136 s in the future  tar: ./md5sums.gz: time stamp 2011-05-09 14:43:22 is 24803.574890136 s in the future May 9, 2011 7:50:54 AM com.palm.nova.installer.recoverytool.CardController logPrint INFO: Trenchcoat: <INFO> Untarring complete,
Jun 04 05:38:47 <jzink> hmm not going to be able to throw all this in
Jun 04 05:39:04 <halfhalo> look! its a bird! its a plane! its a pastebin!
Jun 04 05:40:07 <jzink> http://pastebin.com/J7UjRmc1
Jun 04 05:40:30 <cryptk> Lumiere, of course
Jun 04 05:41:13 <Lumiere> halfhalo: the funny thing is I left a crapload of work for cryptk to babysit (lol jk)
Jun 04 05:41:20 <Lumiere> and he's in here fixing someone's pre XD
Jun 04 05:41:22 <cryptk> yeah... ya jerk
Jun 04 05:41:35 <halfhalo> lol
Jun 04 05:41:37 <Lumiere> I can't help it if I get stuff dropped on me by some random cajun
Jun 04 05:41:43 <cryptk> hahaha
Jun 04 05:41:48 <cryptk> Good old C2X
Jun 04 05:41:54 <Lumiere> I thought it was Cx2
Jun 04 05:42:00 <cryptk> meh, whatever
Jun 04 05:42:03 <Lumiere> exactly
Jun 04 05:42:04 <cryptk> I call him what I want
Jun 04 05:42:09 <Lumiere> mom?
Jun 04 05:42:15 <cryptk> papi
Jun 04 05:42:22 <Lumiere> woody?
Jun 04 05:42:30 <cryptk> fatty
Jun 04 05:42:35 <Lumiere> lol
Jun 04 05:56:52 <jzink> ok so heres where it stands right now
Jun 04 05:57:10 <jzink> it activated on the palm -
Jun 04 05:57:17 <jzink> and was able to login to my profile
Jun 04 05:57:33 <jzink> swapped out the comms again and did a reset
Jun 04 05:57:39 <cryptk> what version does the profile site show for it
Jun 04 05:57:41 <jzink> and it activated fine on this
Jun 04 05:58:29 <jzink> 1.40.50
Jun 04 05:58:58 <cryptk> ok, so you are good to continue, as long as the meta doc created does not complain about device incompatibility, do not do the tokens step
Jun 04 05:59:33 <jzink> so from here do a meta dr
Jun 04 05:59:40 <jzink> which script should i use
Jun 04 05:59:59 <jzink> just the regular sprint 2.1 script
Jun 04 06:00:31 <cryptk> whichever one the instructions say to
Jun 04 06:01:39 <cryptk> did you do step 2?
Jun 04 06:03:29 <jzink> the setup Makefile?
Jun 04 06:03:33 <cryptk> yes
Jun 04 06:04:09 <cryptk> including the make unpack, make patch, changing the castle.xml, make pack
Jun 04 06:04:51 <cryptk> the instructions are literally all there... all you need to do is follow them step by step... every step
Jun 04 06:05:19 <jzink> I thought i dont mess with the castle.xml
Jun 04 06:05:27 <jzink> because thats how u bake the tokens
Jun 04 06:05:32 <cryptk> you don't do the baking of tokens into the 2.1.0 doc
Jun 04 06:05:58 <cryptk> You need to start at the beginning, follow every step, until you have a fully functional Sprint Pre Plus running 1.4.5
Jun 04 06:11:52 <jzink> I will try it, thanks for your help Cryptk
Jun 04 06:11:59 <jzink> im off
Jun 04 06:12:08 <cryptk> gl
Jun 04 08:26:34 <ajay> hola..
Jun 04 08:26:57 <ajay> rwhitby: you around?
Jun 04 08:31:07 <ajay> anyone awake?  if so i'm wondering about rod's comment, about using impostah to overcome the new appcat bug..
Jun 04 08:36:35 <jasonyump> whats up all
Jun 04 08:36:44 <ajay> hey jason
Jun 04 08:36:53 <jasonyump> hows it going
Jun 04 08:37:26 <ajay> it's alright.. i'm trying to figure out how to workaround the new appcat bug, and tired, but otherwise good.. you?
Jun 04 08:39:30 <cryptk> ajay, which one of rwhitby's comments?
Jun 04 08:39:51 <jasonyump> good here. just doctored my pre 2 after it got sluggish. since i just got it last week
Jun 04 08:40:07 <ajay> cryptk: on the WOR article on the new bug, i almost verbatim quoted him above.
Jun 04 08:40:11 <jasonyump> trying to find a way to patch the pre 2 virtual keyboard. read its buggy..but nonetheless wanna try it out
Jun 04 08:43:21 <cryptk> ajay, My guess would be to go into the App Cat section of impostah and install the app from there
Jun 04 08:43:42 <ajay> yeah that's a no go
Jun 04 08:45:52 <cryptk> you may need to set a Device override first...
Jun 04 08:46:50 <cryptk> http://forums.precentral.net/hedami/276827-music-player-remix-2-0-a-21.html#post2981373
Jun 04 08:47:47 <cryptk> although further down he does say that it can only be used to install/update apps that were already purchased for that profile
Jun 04 08:47:59 <ajay> the link you posted has no info on device overrides, it only says to do what you said earlier, which i said i already tried, and failed.
Jun 04 08:48:14 <cryptk> yeah, I was posting the link jsut to show that is all the info I have
Jun 04 08:48:28 <cryptk> are you trying to install or update an app that you have already purchased?
Jun 04 08:48:45 <ajay> Yeah I was reading that, that's why i'm confused when he said impostah allows a workaround.. maybe on WOR he was meaning only for folks that already own the app, which .. ironically is the folks the developer doesn't worry about as much.. :)
Jun 04 08:48:53 <ajay> i'm trying to buy MPR
Jun 04 08:49:14 <ajay> sounds like it's officially nogo, but i'll reply to his WOR comment and see if I Get a diff answer
Jun 04 08:49:29 <ajay> I actually have a Pre2, but palm thinks it's a pre+, so.. sucks for me i guess!
Jun 04 08:49:31 <cryptk> yeah, he did say further down in that thread that it only works for apps you already own (and I would suspect free apps)
Jun 04 08:50:02 <cryptk> hrm... I wonder if you could use impostah to set a device override to the Pre+ model number
Jun 04 08:50:36 <cryptk> Override the deviceModel under Device Profile Overrides
Jun 04 08:50:38 <cryptk> may work
Jun 04 08:50:41 <cryptk> haven't tried it
Jun 04 08:51:04 <ajay> Apparently Palm figures out the device type from MEID/ESN/IMEI, so no other overrides can help.
Jun 04 08:52:25 <ajay> Pre+?  This "bug" (as we're calling it) only really affects Pre+ users, so setting to Pre+ model number wouldn't help.
Jun 04 08:52:43 <cryptk> well, setting it to whatever, you get the idea
Jun 04 08:52:58 <cryptk> I'm trying to help you out here... please don't fight me with semantics at every step
Jun 04 08:53:11 <jasonyump> i know this is probably a simple fix, but do you guys know how to fix webosquickinstall when it keeps giving me "error" everytime i try to install an app?
Jun 04 08:53:40 <cryptk> quick install isn't a WOSI tool... you would have to talk to JayCanuck
Jun 04 08:53:57 <cryptk> all the WOSI people pretty much use palm-install to install our apps
Jun 04 08:54:06 <jasonyump> ah i see
Jun 04 08:54:18 <cryptk> either that or put it on the device and install it with ipkg (I am of the palm-install side though)
Jun 04 08:54:37 <jasonyump> yeah ill use palm-install. its just preware im trying to install
Jun 04 08:54:38 <cryptk> wish I could help you, but I haven't even used WOSQI in forever
Jun 04 08:54:49 <jasonyump> lol no problem. palm-install should work
Jun 04 08:55:01 <cryptk> yeah, if you have the SDK installed, it's just palm-install /path/to/preware.ipk
Jun 04 08:55:19 <ajay> i'm not fighting, before we started engaging i started reading the P|C forum thread on the issue, put that together with knowledge i had recently acquired, and realized its impossible for impostah to help in this situation, as the problem is on palm's end..
Jun 04 08:55:56 <cryptk> hrm... lemme find a cheap app in the cat and see if my Sprint Pre2 is affected... this is actually the first I have heard about this app cat bug
Jun 04 08:56:01 <ajay> s/ed/ing
Jun 04 08:56:23 <ajay> cryptk: The bug only pertains to apps that have been updated in the last day (or few0
Jun 04 08:56:27 <ajay> s/0/)
Jun 04 08:56:38 <cryptk> ahh, do you know of a cheap app that falls in that category?
Jun 04 08:56:39 <ajay> and all apps going forward
Jun 04 08:57:00 <ajay> my battery just died so I can't check..
Jun 04 08:57:21 <ajay> cryptk: but all you need to do is look for music player (remix) in the app catalog.  If you see it, you're unaffected.  It you don't, you are.
Jun 04 08:57:33 <cryptk> ahh, ok
Jun 04 08:57:45 <cryptk> lets hope that I am affected then... cause then I can try and figure out a fix
Jun 04 08:58:14 <ajay> Or, you can load the url for MPR directly, to see if you get palm's error msg about having the wrong model.
Jun 04 08:58:28 <ajay> http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.hedami.musicplayerremix
Jun 04 08:58:34 <jasonyump> yup palm-install was much simpler
Jun 04 08:59:13 <cryptk> This application is not available for your model
Jun 04 08:59:15 <cryptk> woohoo
Jun 04 08:59:18 <cryptk> now to dive into it
Jun 04 08:59:32 <cryptk> I think I am the only person that is happy that they are affected by the bug, lol
Jun 04 09:00:17 <ajay> fwiw, using the 'ipkg' cmd on-device installs apps to the /usr partition, not /media, by default.  And /usr is small, so i've filled it more than once..
Jun 04 09:00:44 <cryptk> yep
Jun 04 09:00:56 <cryptk> palm-install is the right way to go, unless you know about all of the ipkg flags
Jun 04 09:01:15 <ajay> cryptk: lol indeed..
Jun 04 09:01:41 <jasonyump> ah ill look into that
Jun 04 09:01:49 <jasonyump> read up on those flags.
Jun 04 09:02:13 <jasonyump> btw that music player remix worked on my device. pre2 na gsm
Jun 04 09:02:28 <ajay> cryptk: I'm also guessing then that if you login to your palm profile, it'll say that you have a Pre, not pre2
Jun 04 09:03:12 <ajay> jasonyump: it'll only work on non-frankenpre'd pre2s/Veers
Jun 04 09:03:22 <cryptk> yep
Jun 04 09:03:28 <cryptk> says a pre running 2.1.0
Jun 04 09:03:28 <jasonyump> ahhh gotcha
Jun 04 09:04:34 <ajay> So.. the comments online refer to the existence of a legitimate Pre+ runnin 2.x (Europe), so the question becomes - are they affected by this bug?  If so, good (For us! :) because Palm will (assumingly) have to fix the issue.  Hopefully they'll fix it for all.
Jun 04 09:04:45 <cryptk> yes, they are
Jun 04 09:04:54 <cryptk> according to aome of rwhitby 's comments
Jun 04 09:04:58 <cryptk> s/aome/some/
Jun 04 09:04:58 <infobot> cryptk meant: according to some of rwhitby 's comments
Jun 04 09:05:17 <cryptk> which means that HP should at least fix that
Jun 04 09:05:25 <ajay> makes sense..
Jun 04 09:06:33 <ajay> Yeah i did see rod say that once they fix that it might open up a window for us, but.. i can't imagine that being so. hopefully they will realize this was just an oversight and fix the whole thing.
Jun 04 09:07:25 <ajay> too bad i waited this long to buy MPR! haha.. hopefully no other devs update their apps ;^)
Jun 04 09:08:54 <cryptk> well, hopefully we can solve it in two ways... one being a package you install and the other being a mod to the meta-doc
Jun 04 09:09:00 <cryptk> I have no clue yet though if either is possible
Jun 04 09:09:25 * cryptk bets that his original method of building the Sprint Pre2 would not have been affected by this...
Jun 04 09:09:32 <ajay> Since it seems like device type is stored on palm's servers and correlated to MEID/IMEI, i just can't imagine there's anyway we could update it..
Jun 04 09:09:47 <ajay> s/update/address/
Jun 04 09:09:47 <infobot> ajay meant: Since it seems like device type is stored on palm's servers and correlated to MEID/IMEI, i just can't imagine there's anyway we could address it..
Jun 04 09:09:59 <cryptk> with that method... both the profile and the device thought they were an original Pre running 1.4.X with the same exact token set as the original phone
Jun 04 09:11:40 <ajay> but an original Pre or 1.4.x device would still be unable to see Pre2/Veer-only apps.
Jun 04 09:11:46 <cryptk> yep
Jun 04 09:11:50 <cryptk> that's the limitation
Jun 04 09:12:01 <ajay> Paaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaallllmm!!!
Jun 04 09:12:14 <ajay> (or do we have to say HPeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!! now?)
Jun 04 09:12:22 <jasonyump> lol
Jun 04 09:13:57 <jasonyump> ugh i wish they would seriously just add in a virtual keyboard into webos already
Jun 04 09:14:02 <jasonyump> and leave it enabled
Jun 04 09:14:34 <ajay> jasonyump: hm, you've got me curious to try it too now.. :)  I do love that quick-launch/wave bar though!!
Jun 04 09:15:44 <jasonyump> heh i know i do love that bar too
Jun 04 09:15:59 <ajay> But I guess you can get it with a 2-finger swipe so maybe that's ok..
Jun 04 09:16:01 <jasonyump> virtual keyboard would save the wear and tear on the slider though :)
Jun 04 09:16:40 <ajay> jasonyump: hmm.. that's true, but my Pre+ is pretty thoroughly jacked up in numerous ways, and it's starting to oreo a bit, but essentially, the slider's good..
Jun 04 09:17:40 <cryptk> anyone in here with a device running 1.4.5?
Jun 04 09:17:42 <jasonyump> yeah my week old pre 2 has a little wiggle. not as bad as my original pre+ a long time ago. always scares me though. thinking of the original pres oreo lol
Jun 04 09:17:51 <cryptk> I need to know the version string shown under device info
Jun 04 09:18:09 <cryptk> I /think/ it is "Palm WebOS 1.4.5" but I wanna know for sure
Jun 04 09:18:38 <cryptk> if nobody is on with one, I can grab it from a 1.4.5 doc
Jun 04 09:19:06 <jasonyump> those days were funny. everyone used to talk about how many pres they returned. it was like a challenge.
Jun 04 09:19:32 <ajay> jasonyump: like a pie-eating contest? :)
Jun 04 09:19:40 <jasonyump> lol exactly like one.
Jun 04 09:22:00 <jasonyump> pretty sure that was it cryptk. but i cant say for sure dont have one in front of me
Jun 04 09:22:52 <cryptk> pretty sure what was me?
Jun 04 09:23:19 <cryptk> oh, duh
Jun 04 09:23:25 <jasonyump> "Palm WebOS 1.4.5."
Jun 04 09:23:26 <jasonyump> lol
Jun 04 09:23:28 <cryptk> yeah, I pulled it from a 1.4.5 doc
Jun 04 09:23:47 <cryptk> I had it right with one exception W isn't capitalized
Jun 04 09:23:52 <jasonyump> ah
Jun 04 09:29:36 <ajay> too bad palm doesn't let us buy apps through the web like android does..
Jun 04 09:33:21 <ajay> ttfn
Jun 04 09:34:19 <cryptk> oh... and shameless plug... http://twitter.com/#!/webosinternals/status/76864938618011648
Jun 04 09:34:31 <cryptk> I'm still working on the app cat bug btw
Jun 04 09:34:39 <cryptk> not sure if I will be able to solve it, but I will be trying
Jun 04 09:35:16 <cryptk> but I am pretty sure the app cat application gets it's info from the palm profile servers... and if that is true, than impostah may not be able to override what is needed
Jun 04 09:38:17 <jasonyump> hopefully not.
Jun 04 09:38:39 <jasonyump> cryptk is there any existing partial 2.1 vkeyboard patch out in the wild?
Jun 04 09:38:53 <jasonyump> or would i need to do it myself?
Jun 04 09:39:14 <cryptk> hrm, not sure
Jun 04 09:39:25 <cryptk> but if there sin't you can probably take the last version and see if it works
Jun 04 09:39:35 <cryptk> if it does, submit an update in the patches portal
Jun 04 09:40:16 <jasonyump> alright ill check it out
Jun 04 11:52:23 <rwhitby> impostah can do anything. you just need to know how to drive it ;)
Jun 04 11:58:29 <cryptk> well, so far, I have tried overriding the following in the device profile with it... carrier, deviceModel, serialNumber, softwarebuildbranch
Jun 04 11:58:39 <cryptk> along with Luna and Device restarts along the way
Jun 04 11:58:42 <cryptk> no success yet
Jun 04 11:58:57 <cryptk> all overrides were overridden to the values that my original Pre- had
Jun 04 11:59:28 <cryptk> and I set the softwareBuildBranch to the version string from a palm-build-info from a 1.4.5 doc
Jun 04 11:59:51 <cryptk> I chose those because the profile site says that I have a Pre
Jun 04 12:00:01 <cryptk> any other ideas rwhitby ?
Jun 04 12:01:13 <rwhitby> what are you trying to do?
Jun 04 12:01:57 <cryptk> get around the app cat problem
Jun 04 12:02:07 <cryptk> get to where I can successfully install music player remix
Jun 04 12:02:23 <cryptk> but that one I am not sure if it is possible
Jun 04 12:02:42 <cryptk> because I think that the app cat app gets all of it's info from the palm servers, not from the device... but I could be wrong
Jun 04 12:03:52 <rwhitby> the device record is set at first activation
Jun 04 12:04:48 <cryptk> well then my device record is that of a Pre
Jun 04 12:05:00 <rwhitby> you can check that at palm.com/palmprofile
Jun 04 12:05:04 <cryptk> but how does that interact with the app cat to prevent paid apps
Jun 04 12:05:09 <rwhitby> b
Jun 04 12:05:13 <cryptk> yeah, I know that it is set to a Pre
Jun 04 12:05:18 <cryptk> it says Pre running 2.1.0
Jun 04 12:05:59 <rwhitby> right, so you can never change that for that device record
Jun 04 12:06:19 <cryptk> yeah, I understand that part, but what exactly is it that is preventing the paid apps
Jun 04 12:06:36 <cryptk> is it because the profile site thinks it is a Pre on 2.1.0 which doesn't exist?
Jun 04 12:06:41 <rwhitby> didn't you read my tweets?
Jun 04 12:06:57 <rwhitby> the app catalog says that a Castle is not a supported device for those apps
Jun 04 12:07:13 <rwhitby> you device record is a castle
Jun 04 12:07:18 <rwhitby> therefore you don't get the app
Jun 04 12:11:21 <cryptk> ahh, I see now
Jun 04 12:11:29 <cryptk> that is the part I was missing...
Jun 04 12:11:49 <cryptk> and the app cat gets the device record from palm servers, so that isn't something that can be overridden with Impostah
Jun 04 12:12:01 <cryptk> because it isn't the app cat app refusing you... it is the app cat servers
Jun 04 12:14:11 <rwhitby> actually, it's the app cat app.
Jun 04 12:14:23 <rwhitby> which stops you seeing it
Jun 04 12:14:40 <rwhitby> Since Impostah can get the info for the app, and if you've previously purchased it you can install it.
Jun 04 12:15:27 <rwhitby> If I really wanted to, I could get Impostah to be able to use your credit card to purchase the app too, but that would be putting myself between lawyers and money ...
Jun 04 12:16:21 <cryptk> yeah
Jun 04 12:16:46 <cryptk> what I am wondering is if there is a way to have Impostah make the app cat thing that your device is not a castle
Jun 04 12:16:53 <rwhitby> In fact, Preware could use your credit card details buy any app I wanted to if I was nefarious ...
Jun 04 12:17:24 <rwhitby> the determination of what apps to present to you is done on the server side
Jun 04 12:17:36 * Loudergood makes a note to pay a lot more attention to the git logs ;)
Jun 04 12:18:06 <rwhitby> Loudergood: that's why you never trust closed source homebrew apps ...
Jun 04 12:18:32 <Loudergood> you really could strip out the homebrew part there..
Jun 04 12:18:51 <rwhitby> no, app catalog apps don't have the access to do what I described
Jun 04 12:19:14 <rwhitby> if they did, it would be a security vulnerability which I would immediately report to HP
Jun 04 12:21:02 <cryptk> yep, the only reason preware and such can do it (if we were mean) I believe is because we use custom services to make them work that would never pass through to the app cat
Jun 04 12:21:06 <cryptk> but rwhitby would know for sure
Jun 04 12:21:31 <cryptk> I am more the Sys Admin type... rwhitby is one of the real magic makers... I just fix it when he breaks it, lol
Jun 04 12:22:16 <Loudergood> that's true
Jun 04 12:22:41 <cryptk> except for that veer... pretty sure I can't fix that... but alas, it had a higher purpose in life after all
Jun 04 12:24:21 <rwhitby> that reminds me, I need to take the cans off that tomorrow
Jun 04 12:24:55 <cryptk> Just a reminder... if you donate $30 or more... we have some pretty rockin stickers that I will send ya ;)
Jun 04 12:48:13 <rwhitby> Hmm - a google search just found the complete enyo SDK posted on the internet by someone called nathan ...
Jun 04 12:56:52 <haeffb_> which version?
Jun 04 12:57:45 <rwhitby> haeffb: sorry, that's under the NDA ;)
Jun 04 12:58:18 <haeffb> haha
Jun 04 18:27:54 <fudge_> anyone know where i can get a replacement digitizer/lcd from?
Jun 04 18:33:23 <Loudergood> try the Precentral forums?
Jun 04 18:33:47 <fudge_> poked around, nothing found that im looking for
Jun 04 18:34:08 <fudge_> i just need the digitzer/lcd piece.
Jun 04 20:40:59 <BigWookie> Hey anyone here to talk about zeemote/bluetooth custom hardware ( already have seen that there is zeemote code in the SuperNES repo )
Jun 04 22:48:02 <rwhitby> morning
Jun 04 22:48:24 <halfhalo> morning!
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