**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jun 13 02:59:57 2011
Jun 13 08:10:21 <emkman> Can someone help me with some emergency surgery?  just ran over my Pre :(
Jun 13 08:12:04 <emkman> i am wondering if I can get into diagnostic mode without a working screen
Jun 13 08:12:29 <cryptk> what do you mean diagnostic mode
Jun 13 08:13:24 <emkman> i want to use QPST/QDXM to read out my keys and copy to another pre that I use for dev, so it can be my main phone for now
Jun 13 08:13:47 <emkman> i verified keyboard still works
Jun 13 08:13:58 <emkman> i got it into usb mode with orange+sym+u
Jun 13 08:14:12 <emkman> and it vibrates when I toggle the switch, but that is the only life it shows
Jun 13 08:14:31 <cryptk> hrm, so you want to clone the phone
Jun 13 08:14:40 <emkman> yeh sprint to sprint
Jun 13 08:14:49 <cryptk> not something we help with really, since it is impossible to know if you are doing it for good or bad over IRC
Jun 13 08:15:17 <emkman> true, i know i havent been here in years but rwhitby could vouch i originally helped found the pre dev wiki
Jun 13 08:15:26 <emkman> which is why i have voice
Jun 13 08:15:31 <emkman> definitely not a malicious intent here
Jun 13 08:15:45 <emkman> just phoneless and sad
Jun 13 08:15:49 <cryptk> that and I have never used QPST/QDXM so I have no clue
Jun 13 08:15:58 <cryptk> why not just swap the comm board
Jun 13 08:16:06 <rwhitby> emkman: hi
Jun 13 08:16:12 <emkman> hey
Jun 13 08:16:27 <cryptk> rwhitby, you know how to do that? I personally have no clue
Jun 13 08:16:37 <rwhitby> emkman: I'd swap the comms board
Jun 13 08:17:18 <emkman> i think its damaged
Jun 13 08:17:39 <cryptk> if you call the phone will it ring?
Jun 13 08:17:42 <rwhitby> how will you read stuff out of it then?
Jun 13 08:17:45 <emkman> no
Jun 13 08:18:06 <emkman> well if not damaged, its fragile, phone turns off randomly but i was able to copy all the usb data
Jun 13 08:18:20 <emkman> id rather not take the screwdriver to it if i can go through the usb port
Jun 13 08:18:53 <emkman> cryptk: i should say, it rings on the callers end, not straight to vm, but the pre does not ring
Jun 13 08:19:24 <rwhitby> emkman: I know nothing about CDMA
Jun 13 08:19:45 <rwhitby> my answer to you would be "swap the sim into your new phone" ;)
Jun 13 08:19:48 <emkman> cryptk: and i am no QPST expert either, never cloned, but I have a guide to flash to boost, i figure it must be easier to keep it on sprint
Jun 13 08:19:54 <emkman> haha yeh yeh
Jun 13 08:20:31 <emkman> any idea how I can get into developer mode with no screen?
Jun 13 08:20:44 <emkman> i can enter the code but then cant toggle
Jun 13 08:21:07 <rwhitby> yeah, "vol-up recovery mode, make memload devmode using meta-doctor
Jun 13 08:21:22 <emkman> hmm
Jun 13 08:21:52 <emkman> do you know about using ##USBPASS# ala :http://www.idriss.us/cell-phones/cdma-phones/palm-pre-an-pixi-usb-passthrough-validation-code-keygen/
Jun 13 08:22:14 <emkman> supposedly will enable diagnostic mode directly
Jun 13 08:23:46 <rwhitby> nope
Jun 13 08:23:48 <cryptk> well, if your screen doesn't work, your going to have a hard time putting in the validation code
Jun 13 08:24:40 <emkman> yeh thats what i was wondering, if it could be done with just the keyboard
Jun 13 08:26:00 <emkman> i dont know what the UI looks like, but I know if it works my comp should prompt me for new drivers
Jun 13 08:28:39 <emkman> im pretty much screwed, cant even tell if the phone is on or not, lol
Jun 13 08:33:38 <emkman> rwhitby: can you elaborate on how to use the devmode image?
Jun 13 08:33:52 <rwhitby> git clone meta-doctor
Jun 13 08:34:00 <rwhitby> put your device in recovery mode
Jun 13 08:34:13 <rwhitby> make DEVICE=pre CARRIER=sprint memload devmode
Jun 13 08:35:06 <emkman> and then run the jar created?
Jun 13 08:37:06 <cryptk> shouldn't be making a jar I don't think
Jun 13 08:37:22 <cryptk> I think that will just stream some stuff over the USB connection
Jun 13 08:37:28 <emkman> ok
Jun 13 08:37:30 <cryptk> and cause some crazy magic
Jun 13 08:38:17 <rwhitby> it memboots a recovery kernel and fs, then mounts the filesystems, then enabled dev mode
Jun 13 08:38:42 <emkman> gotcha, so i could then novaterm to it
Jun 13 08:38:50 <rwhitby> yep
Jun 13 08:38:57 <emkman> ok that would be a good start
Jun 13 08:39:07 <rwhitby> "make mount" works too
Jun 13 08:39:20 <rwhitby> if you just want to get in there and do stuff
Jun 13 08:39:32 <emkman> mounts the usb partition? or what?
Jun 13 08:39:48 <cryptk> eventually I am gonna pick your brain on all of the cool non-documented things that meta-doc can do and write up some destructions
Jun 13 08:43:27 <emkman> unfortunately i think its fully dead, hard to tell, but I am gonna try meta doctor dev mode in a minute, fingers crossed.
Jun 13 08:46:43 <emkman> so assuming my pre is done for :(, what should I do with it?
Jun 13 08:47:13 <cryptk> do you have a spare device?
Jun 13 08:47:43 <rwhitby> I'd try swapping the comms board first
Jun 13 08:48:08 <CalvinCollie> hy everybody
Jun 13 08:48:24 <cryptk> hola CalvinCollie
Jun 13 08:49:30 <CalvinCollie> can anybody help me with a WIRC problem ive got? ive got preware newest version installed and i CAN connect to wirc-servers. BUT every #-room i enter has zero users, somehow :-(
Jun 13 08:50:30 <emkman> yeh, i have another pre with a damaged screen and I have a samsung epic 4g, both bad esn from ebay
Jun 13 08:51:28 <emkman> this pre was my contract phone, 6th generation warranty replacement haha. Love the OS but build quality could have been alot better. Although i take full responsibility for this one, driving over it and all
Jun 13 08:52:32 <cryptk> CalvinCollie, let me test
Jun 13 08:54:10 <cryptk> working for me CalvinCollie
Jun 13 08:54:58 <cryptk> that last sentence was sent from wIRC
Jun 13 08:56:30 <cryptk> CalvinCollie, are you putting them in as #-room or #room
Jun 13 08:58:14 <CalvinCollie> #room for sure
Jun 13 08:58:23 <CalvinCollie> i even used the option "join channel"
Jun 13 08:58:31 <CalvinCollie> where he puts the "#" in front automatically
Jun 13 08:58:46 <CalvinCollie> everychannel i join has got 0 users -.-
Jun 13 09:04:36 <cryptk> hrm... not sure man
Jun 13 09:04:39 <cryptk> I can't replicate it
Jun 13 09:05:18 <emkman> rwhitby: the make process is building right now. when its done, will there be something i can copy to my windows box to easily launch devmode from there?
Jun 13 09:05:18 <cryptk> well, what version of wIRC are you using, please note that "the newest" or "the latest" is not a valid answer
Jun 13 09:05:24 <cryptk> CalvinCollie, ^^^
Jun 13 09:06:04 <cryptk> emkman, the make for that downloads the doctors to get the rootfs and kernel I believe, then it memboots it all
Jun 13 09:06:17 <cryptk> so have the pre connected via USB and in bootie
Jun 13 09:06:44 <emkman> well its connected, i have no way to tell tho if its in bootie
Jun 13 09:07:04 <cryptk> pull battery, hold vol up, plug in USB, put in battery
Jun 13 09:07:45 <cryptk> keep holding vol up for about 5 or 10 seconds after that, then let it go
Jun 13 09:07:51 <cryptk> if that doesn't put it in dev mode, nothing will
Jun 13 09:07:58 <emkman> ever need to press the power button?
Jun 13 09:08:03 <cryptk> nope
Jun 13 09:08:39 <cryptk> go for holding vol up for 10 seconds after putting in the battery
Jun 13 09:08:49 <cryptk> I just tested it on my phone and it took about 6 or 7 seconds
Jun 13 09:09:02 <emkman> ok
Jun 13 09:09:14 <cryptk> I should have said pull battery AND unplug USB
Jun 13 09:09:32 <emkman> novacom -w boot mem:// < build/pre-p100eww-sprint-1.4.5/webOS/nova-installer-image-castle.uImage Unmounting /tmp/var Unmounting /tmp/root Unmounting /tmp/mojodb Unmounting /tmp/filecache Unmounting /tmp/log Unmounting /tmp/update Unmounting /tmp/media Unmounting /tmp/boot novacom -w run file://usr/sbin/lvm.static -- vgscan --ignorelockingfailure 2> /dev/null   Reading all physical volumes.  This may take a while...   Found vo
Jun 13 09:09:32 <cryptk> then hold vol up, plug USB in, put in battery, wait 10 seconds then let go of vol up
Jun 13 09:09:48 <emkman> ok
Jun 13 09:10:03 <emkman> i got two No such file or directory errors
Jun 13 09:10:12 <emkman> so i dont think its talking to the phone correctly
Jun 13 09:10:31 <emkman> but maybe its a different reason
Jun 13 09:10:32 <emkman> mount: mounting /dev/mapper/store-mojodb on /tmp/mojodb failed: No such file or directory
Jun 13 09:11:00 <cryptk> well, if you disconnected it and reconnected it midway through it membooting it, could cause some errors
Jun 13 09:11:22 <cryptk> so I would stop everything, then put the device in dev mode, then run the meta-doc memboot stuffs
Jun 13 09:11:37 <emkman> that it what i did
Jun 13 09:11:37 <cryptk> anyway, I have got to sleep... way too tired, falling asleep at keyboard
Jun 13 09:11:44 <CalvinCollie> cryptk: wirc 0.4.2
Jun 13 09:11:44 <emkman> thanks for your help
Jun 13 09:11:48 <CalvinCollie> TU
Jun 13 09:12:08 <cryptk> and I remember there being some file/directory not found errors even during normal doctors, but I can't remember if that was it or not
Jun 13 09:12:31 <cryptk> no clue CalvinCollie I can't replicate it, I'm using the same version
Jun 13 09:12:40 <cryptk> anyway, sleepy time, good luck both of you
Jun 13 09:12:47 <emkman> ok well i get the same error each time, maybe it did work tho
Jun 13 09:12:50 <emkman> ill try novaterm
Jun 13 09:12:51 <emkman> thanks
Jun 13 09:12:53 <emkman> gnight
Jun 13 09:49:00 <rwhitby> emkman: mojodb is 2.x only
Jun 13 11:29:09 <emkman> rwhitby: you still there? I made some progress ...
Jun 13 11:29:22 <rwhitby> yes
Jun 13 11:29:39 <emkman> so i saw your last message about the file not found, realizing it wasnt an error
Jun 13 11:30:02 <emkman> i could see when i swtiched to windows that my phone is loading bootie, but it resets every minute or so
Jun 13 11:30:31 <emkman> but anyway if I am quick I can get into novaterm, but then i get a "command mpt: not found" error
Jun 13 11:30:43 <emkman> i guess all off the commands are not available in recovery mode
Jun 13 11:31:19 <emkman> do you know a way to boot into diagnostic mode directly, or atleast to get out of bootie?
Jun 13 11:43:44 <emkman> here is some more info about diag mode: http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/223956-patch-usb-passthrough-remove-code-add-launcher-usbpass.html
Jun 13 11:43:58 <emkman> http://forums.precentral.net/webos-tips-information-resources/206982-palm-pre-gps-additional-gps-modes-autonomous-assisted-cached.html
Jun 13 11:49:34 <emkman> i need to boot into a mode that has the modem enabled it would seem
Jun 13 11:53:20 <emkman> rwhitby: any thoughts?
Jun 13 11:57:55 <rwhitby> nope
Jun 13 12:09:06 <emkman> ok thanks anyway
Jun 13 12:09:29 <emkman> assuming my phone stops rebooting, is it stuck in recovery mode unless I used webOSDoctor to restore?
Jun 13 12:17:13 <rwhitby> emkman: no
Jun 13 12:17:48 <emkman> a normal power cycle would boot the full OS?
Jun 13 12:17:56 <rwhitby> yes
Jun 13 12:18:00 <emkman> or how do I exit recovery mode?
Jun 13 12:18:13 <emkman> ok
Jun 13 12:18:36 <emkman> i am just going to hope its unstuck tomorrow :) thanks again
Jun 13 14:52:47 <helpme12345> hello?
Jun 13 14:53:06 <helpme12345> i have a question
Jun 13 14:53:17 <helpme12345> where i can find emergency fstab?
Jun 13 14:55:13 <helpme12345> ???
Jun 13 14:55:31 <helpme12345> i have problems with navit
Jun 13 14:55:51 <helpme12345> or do you know a free navigation software?
Jun 13 14:56:09 <Andrew__> Hiya, sorry if i bother but just read an article where they critisce most looked platforms and since it was about webos i got a bit angry, lol
Jun 13 14:56:48 <Andrew__> They said, "What will happen when full HTML5 support is needed, will HP really update your old product"
Jun 13 14:57:11 <Andrew__> I thought the Pre had HTML5 support from the start or am i missing something?
Jun 13 14:58:20 <helpme12345> it means no navigation for palm pre?
Jun 14 01:58:42 <navinag> is there an app for webos that can access media content directly from a home wifi network shared folder ?
Jun 14 01:58:57 <navinag> I don't recall anything like this..
Jun 14 01:59:09 <jhowirc> not afaik. would be nice though
Jun 14 01:59:48 <navinag> yeah...that would be awesome...
Jun 14 02:00:05 <SineOt> no, but… with 2.0 getting on more devices I'm sure you'll see something like that show up in time
Jun 14 02:02:11 <navinag> I can do it with orb or some sort of desktop webserver....but would be nice to have a native app to access my local Network
Jun 14 02:42:30 <PuffTheMagic> oil, I wonder if wirc will get reviewed this week
Jun 14 02:42:39 <PuffTheMagic> its been what, a week since our last rejection?
Jun 14 02:43:44 <ka6sox-away> now you just have to sit on pins and needles
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