**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jun 18 02:59:56 2011 Jun 18 03:37:19 hello everyone Jun 18 03:37:24 hey Jun 18 03:37:57 has anyone tried to fix the messaging app on webos 2.1 for non pre 2? Jun 18 03:39:05 Jusegozu_: what's broken about it? Jun 18 03:39:26 the fact that it freezes when the thread becomes longer than 50 messages or so Jun 18 03:40:31 I have issues with sending messages on my pre- 2.1 Jun 18 03:41:02 how do i do what desnital did? as in how do i send me a message without it going as private? Jun 18 03:41:33 say the person's nick somewhere in the msg Jun 18 03:41:51 destinal have you tried anything? Jun 18 03:41:57 like that :) Jun 18 03:42:05 but it doesn't ahve the colons or the sound Jun 18 03:42:17 like i want to make sure they get notified i am replying to their msg Jun 18 03:42:35 Jusegozu_: it did for me, your client is just matching your nickname in things other people say Jun 18 03:42:38 it sounds on their end Jun 18 03:42:47 oh ok good good Jun 18 03:42:54 so back to the topic. . . Jun 18 03:43:05 that messging app html file is a monster! Jun 18 03:43:29 is it only pre-? or does pre+ have a similar issue? Jun 18 03:43:48 my plus had the same issue iirc Jun 18 03:43:54 the plus is 1.4.5 now though Jun 18 03:44:19 its all the builds Jun 18 03:44:32 all the build for pre - or plus Jun 18 03:44:40 even the leaked webos 2.0 had this problem Jun 18 03:49:39 destinal patrickC Jun 18 03:49:49 yes? Jun 18 03:50:12 PatrickC: so do u know if anyone ever tried to fix the problem wih the lagging? Jun 18 03:50:30 I've never had that issue Jun 18 03:50:46 i meant in the messaging application Jun 18 03:50:50 with webos 2.0 Jun 18 03:51:11 like, when you send a message, it lags a second before it shows as sent? Jun 18 03:51:18 no Jun 18 03:51:32 as in it makes the phone so slow its unusable for a few seconds Jun 18 03:51:57 mine gets slow for about ½ a second Jun 18 03:52:02 but not a few seconds Jun 18 03:52:15 was that on 2.0 or 2.1? Jun 18 03:52:22 2.1 Jun 18 03:52:29 on a pre plus? Jun 18 03:52:31 I never really ran 2.0 Jun 18 03:52:39 pre+, pre2, and pre- Jun 18 03:52:54 and ahve you had a very long chat thread? Jun 18 03:53:08 I always have a long chat thread Jun 18 03:53:10 it is fine for the first few messages. . about 100. after that it becomes painfully slow Jun 18 03:53:41 well then you are doing something different than all of us Jun 18 03:54:30 when you press enter or hit send Jun 18 03:54:39 what happens if you try to backswipe or minimize the card Jun 18 03:54:47 does it respond as fast as 1.4.5? Jun 18 03:54:54 nope Jun 18 03:55:36 oh well. . . Jun 18 03:55:46 i guess i'll just wait for the pre 3. . hahahah Jun 18 03:57:39 hmmm, does optware not have an openssl package? Jun 18 03:57:43 well. thank you veyr much for you time. have a good night. Jun 18 03:57:53 * rrix doesn't see it in the package list Jun 18 03:57:55 last time i checked it did Jun 18 03:58:47 hmmm Jun 18 03:59:18 * rrix thinks it should be included in widk, but doesn't see it Jun 18 03:59:21 * rrix dives in to things Jun 18 04:00:49 I keep saying it but webos is just not the most efficient OS. (just the way that playing DOOM in machine translated javascript is not efficient) Jun 18 04:01:21 the doom port is written in SDL Jun 18 04:01:49 rrix: openssl should definitely be in optware - where are you looking? Jun 18 04:02:00 http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Optware/Packages Jun 18 04:02:01 rrix: lol, yes, I'm aware of that, but there actually IS DOOM in machine translated javascript Jun 18 04:02:14 destinal: Who thought that was a good idea? ;) Jun 18 04:02:34 rrix: I think it was a "because we can" thing ;) Jun 18 04:02:38 rrix: check http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/optware/cs08q1armel/cross/stable/ instead Jun 18 04:02:39 javascript is great for user interface, but anyone writing a game in it should be shot ;) Jun 18 04:02:52 ahhh Jun 18 04:02:54 rwhitby: Danke Jun 18 04:02:57 rrix: or ipkg-opt update ; ipkg-opt list Jun 18 04:03:18 its in that feed and was recently updated. Jun 18 04:03:29 should be 0.9.8 Jun 18 04:03:32 rrix: be aware that optware stuff won't be of any use to you if you're looking for app catalog submission Jun 18 04:03:40 * rrix is installing it in to widk Jun 18 04:04:07 rwhitby: I'm scratching an itch and don't care about the app catalog too much Jun 18 04:04:14 so, awesome :) Jun 18 04:04:53 rrix: smartphones with real linux userlands FTW :) Jun 18 04:04:54 rrix: cool - what are you brewing up? Jun 18 04:05:15 destinal: I own a WebOS phone and not an android for a couple of reasons, that's at least one of them Jun 18 04:05:27 * rwhitby is currently working on solar panel monitoring using openwrt, but will port it to webOS at some stage. Jun 18 04:05:37 rwhitby: Trying to get darronb's Qt patches on to 4.7 so I can play with some QML stuff Jun 18 04:06:12 Lol Jun 18 04:06:16 Apparently I'm going to see a movie Jun 18 04:06:23 rrix: ok, let me know if you need commit access to the WIDK to push stuff back Jun 18 04:07:09 Awesome. I will be back later to hack some more, but I have to go be a good sig0 Jun 18 04:13:03 speaking of optware, how's the new-optware-to-non-testing coming? Jun 18 04:13:21 dunno, does it work? Jun 18 04:13:40 ajay was meant to make some improvements to it Jun 18 04:14:01 wirc in 3.0 emu ;D Jun 18 04:14:56 I didn't test it... it sounded like you and ka6sox were saying it should be in the main feeds, and I was busy at the time, so I thought I'd just wait Jun 18 04:15:26 Puffy_TP? Jun 18 04:15:29 lol Jun 18 04:16:53 but, if it's not, then I'll have to go find the conversation in scrollback and go install it out of the testing feed Jun 18 04:17:43 * PatrickC is waiting for some touchpad love Jun 18 04:17:52 I want to see one in-person lol Jun 18 04:18:18 stalk adora Jun 18 04:18:40 she lives to far away :/ Jun 18 04:22:03 * PatrickC yawns... Jun 18 04:22:06 goodnight all Jun 18 05:49:43 hmm so trying to get my pre+ on 2.1 again Jun 18 05:49:58 profile having issues restoring--presumably due to failed backup loading afaict Jun 18 05:50:15 yes i doctored to 1.4.5 and disabled backups, guess it didn't "take" Jun 18 05:50:32 my profile hasn't 9.9.9'd--or rather i un-9.9.9'd it by going to 1.4.5 Jun 18 05:50:37 anyway i can't get it to follow through Jun 18 05:50:52 or rather i couldn't Jun 18 05:50:57 kept failing to restore data, etc Jun 18 05:51:39 ended up hacking the javascript such taht when the backup serice threw an exception instead of erroring out, to simply pretend there was no data to restore. Jun 18 05:51:43 *seems* like that might work? Jun 18 05:52:23 but if that worked, i'm less clear why we didn't do that instead of having people doctor to 1.4.5 to disable backups Jun 18 05:52:50 i guess i'll let people know how that goes, lol :/ Jun 18 05:52:54 * dtzWill crosses fingers Jun 18 05:53:42 guess discussion of getting 2.1 working for people is old news for everyone :( hehe Jun 18 05:55:29 dtzWill: did it work? Jun 18 05:55:43 rwhitby: so far so good Jun 18 05:55:46 most people just don't have much in the palm profile that's worth keeping other than apps Jun 18 05:55:54 let me log in, it's restoring apps, etc Jun 18 05:56:08 rwhitby: oh that's what i wanted as well--i'm happy disabling backups. Jun 18 05:56:12 i think it's effectively same thing Jun 18 05:56:23 only i just modified to js to report that the server said there were no backups Jun 18 05:56:24 lol Jun 18 05:57:17 well more exactly when it throws an exception when parsing server manifest thingy instead of throwing the exception farther up it just reports 'no backups to use here' Jun 18 05:57:29 since apparently doctoring 1.4.5 and disabling backups didn't 'take' for whatever reason Jun 18 05:57:42 don't think it allows upgrading with backups actually enabled and used Jun 18 05:57:52 just saves me from doctoring to 1.4.5 again :) Jun 18 05:58:18 perhaps add that to the troubleshooting section on the wiki, but I see people just hurting themselves trying to do it ;) Jun 18 05:58:39 well no reason we couldn't have metadoctor touchup the js accordingly, shrug Jun 18 05:58:52 it's a bit permanent though Jun 18 05:59:12 but i'm not necc suggesting we do so, but i agree pushing it straight to users might not be the best, shrug Jun 18 05:59:31 rwhitby: yeah, and the existing solutoin seems to work. except not for me :P. i think i remember reading somewhere about disabling backups, waiting, rebooting and chekcing, etc Jun 18 05:59:40 i must've not been as thorough as i should have and had to hack around my own failures :( Jun 18 05:59:41 lol Jun 18 06:00:00 rwhitby: well personally i just unedited the file after i got in Jun 18 06:00:25 we'll see what impact that has on things--not sure if ihave to keep up the 'no backups' masquerade or not. Jun 18 06:00:32 we'll see ^.^ Jun 18 06:01:51 well backup app says i have backups enabled Jun 18 06:01:53 * dtzWill forces manual backup Jun 18 06:01:53 lol Jun 18 06:02:32 you can check with Impostah to see what the server thinks Jun 18 06:03:17 the preware auto-installer runs after apps are all installed, right? Jun 18 06:03:21 damn i have too many apps :) Jun 18 06:03:35 preware auto-installer sometimes fails. dunno why. Jun 18 06:03:42 well it's building backups of various db's atm Jun 18 06:04:03 presumably it'll have np sending it to server, can impostah tell me date of last backup? Jun 18 06:04:13 (more exactly, is that information made avail to us via server?) Jun 18 06:04:25 (I'd check, but since all those apps are installing can't really do a whole lot re:preware/etc) Jun 18 06:04:33 kk re:auto-installer fialing sometimes. Jun 18 06:05:21 kk i see same parsing error, but it knows to ignore corrupt previous backups Jun 18 06:05:33 "Ignoring error that occurred while purging" Jun 18 06:05:42 hopefully taht means what i want it to mean :) Jun 18 06:06:41 man i gotta watch the logs more often, they're fun Jun 18 06:16:27 backup app still thrwing "unexpected token ILLEGAL" error, i'll play with tryhing to delete the server-side copy some more Jun 18 06:19:38 heh i actually seem to recall this is how i did it lats time too Jun 18 06:19:53 maybe i'm bad at following instructions :P Jun 18 06:19:55 :( Jun 18 06:20:04 anyway, hopefully it works out, just thought i'd bring it up/mention it. Jun 18 06:42:06 are errors about databaseversion normal? Jun 18 06:42:22 toggled backups off, bounced it toggled on, forced backup--things seem well. Jun 18 06:42:31 (at this point mostly mentioning this for logs's sake) Jun 18 07:24:49 WeatherMaps Radar 1.4 is out, but I don't think any version has ever been released. if there's any interest, here's what it does. http://forums.precentral.net/webos-apps/277756-new-gps-weather-radar-app.html Jun 18 10:51:57 Hey Guys Jun 18 10:53:59 Anyone want a Palm Pre 2 $300AU Like New - Unlocked Jun 18 17:25:01 Folks, I'm giving away a Palm Pre(-) to anyone that is willing to take a stab at porting Rockbox to WebOS. See rockbox.org and especially look at the AndroidPort. (SDL) Jun 18 18:13:00 Davide-NYC: what's rockbox's build system like? Jun 18 18:13:27 and are you takling about a client or a full-fledged OS? Jun 18 18:29:56 summatusmentis: I'm not sure. They have a working Android port as well as a couple of other ports under the "Rockbox as an Application" project. It works with SDL and (supposedly) is trivial to port for those that know how. Jun 18 18:30:11 I'm just not one of those people. Jun 18 18:46:01 why would you put an mp3 player firmware on a phone? Jun 18 18:46:47 why would you want one, even Jun 18 18:48:48 dwc-: huh? Jun 18 18:50:36 dwc-, as an APPLICATION...not firmware Jun 18 18:50:39 its SDL. Jun 18 18:51:32 hey ka6sox-home. you gettin a touchpad early? Jun 18 18:51:43 huh? what? Jun 18 18:52:17 HP is sending webos internals people a touchpad early? no? Jun 18 18:52:31 ORLY? Jun 18 18:52:32 ok, but why would you want it as an application Jun 18 18:52:53 Why wouldn't you want an MP3 player as an application? :) Jun 18 18:52:55 It plays (practically) every format out there. Jun 18 18:52:58 ka6sox-home: let me find the link Jun 18 18:53:12 http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/WhyRockbox Jun 18 18:53:15 but you could have any other mp3 player Jun 18 18:53:20 application Jun 18 18:53:24 mp3 only? Jun 18 18:53:35 davide-nyc: the libs that power rockbox are already available and nothing specific to rockbox Jun 18 18:53:36 ka6sox-home: http://m.precentral.net/hp-reaffirms-homebrew-support-sending-touchpads-webos-internals Jun 18 18:54:01 Ah, I see Jun 18 18:54:08 So instead of using MP3 player software ... Jun 18 18:54:23 You're looking into porting firmware, because it contains a wealth of code for understanding and playing codecs? Jun 18 18:54:30 is there an application that will play all of thos formats on WebOS? Jun 18 18:54:34 Perhaps, in a better performing fashion than many applications? Jun 18 18:54:35 I just want a player that can stream from a url directly Jun 18 18:54:35 audiophile? Jun 18 18:54:56 there's also an mplayer port floating around somewhere Jun 18 18:55:04 ka6sox-home: I'm working on something like that Jun 18 18:55:10 want in on the alpha? Jun 18 18:55:14 I pine for VLC as well. Jun 18 18:55:18 ka6: how's the wosi optware feeds et al? Jun 18 18:55:46 dwc-: what do you mean? they are fine... Jun 18 18:56:00 PatrickC, okay let me know when its done. Jun 18 18:56:16 you want in on the alpha? or you want to wait for the beta? Jun 18 18:56:17 remember a couple weeks ago, you were trying to figure out something about the old versions in them Jun 18 18:56:35 ya,thats been fixed Jun 18 18:56:55 it was the i686 version blocking for the emulator. Jun 18 18:57:01 oh, cool Jun 18 18:57:07 ack, gotta run, bbl Jun 18 19:07:09 Audiophile only runs on WebOS2.1, thus offer still stands and stil makes sense. Jun 18 19:07:44 anyone wanting to help me test this app, PM me Jun 18 20:31:27 #webos Jun 18 20:31:43 yes? Jun 18 20:31:49 this is #webos-internals Jun 18 20:32:21 I tried to change to #webos channel because I have a question regarding how to develop a special plugin for web os presentation mode Jun 18 20:32:42 then do /join #webos Jun 18 20:33:09 thank you for your immediate help! Jun 18 20:33:17 np Jun 19 01:33:03 ~seen mynameisconnor Jun 19 01:33:07 i haven't seen 'mynameisconnor', Tibfib Jun 19 01:33:16 was just about to do that haha Jun 19 01:33:43 infobot: thanks Jun 19 01:33:43 bitte, PatrickC Jun 19 01:37:33 ~seen mynamesconnor Jun 19 01:37:36 i haven't seen 'mynamesconnor', Tibfib Jun 19 01:45:28 infobot: botsnack Jun 19 01:45:28 aw, gee, Tibfib Jun 19 01:46:31 anyone else experience random vibrates on their pre2? Jun 19 01:54:42 no, I get phantom ones though when I'm driving Jun 19 01:54:51 sometimes the phone isn't even in that pocket Jun 19 01:55:01 lol Jun 19 01:56:21 most likely it's because my car is old and vibrates a bit Jun 19 01:58:45 apparently volvo plastics get brittle with age Jun 19 02:01:14 there it goes again **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Jun 19 02:59:57 2011