**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jun 20 02:59:57 2011 Jun 20 10:00:48 k Jun 20 10:09:36 z Jun 20 13:41:29 is there a way for me to use impostah to purchase music player remix? im running frankenpre plus on sprint, and i have not purchased this app before... (min model listed as pre 2) Jun 20 13:42:10 music player remix requires webos 2.x Jun 20 13:42:20 I bought it on my pre- running 2.1 Jun 20 13:43:27 with the app feed updates, it changed the minus device to pre 2 (based on screen res) so when i pull it up (running 2.1.0) i get imcompatable device Jun 20 13:43:53 oooh Jun 20 13:44:06 then I have no idea Jun 20 13:44:13 I purchased before those updates Jun 20 13:44:49 i just got 2.1 up and running with an active profile this weekend... Jun 20 13:45:42 i was able to use impostah to install apps that i *had* previously purchased, but i haven't figured out how to do it with new ones Jun 20 13:46:53 another question: is there a way to force the photos app to rescan for photos? Jun 20 14:06:02 does anyone know if impostah can install an app with a promo code that I have never downloaded...I have a frankenpre 2 .. I tried it and the download fails...saying that this is paid app.. Jun 20 14:06:48 it cannot. Jun 20 14:07:45 hmmmmmmm...that's unfortunate.. I won a wife sync 2.0 from precentral....now I can't use it... Jun 20 14:07:58 wife Jun 20 14:08:03 wifi Jun 20 14:08:19 you have to love autocorrect sometimes Jun 20 14:08:49 Hello, I installed Preware on my Palm Pre 2 with WebOS 2.1 but whenever I try to install any application via Preware, I get the following message on the phone (after downloading the app): Jun 20 14:09:01 Restart Required System adjustments must be made before installation can continue Jun 20 14:09:12 Jun 20 14:09:31 If I hit Cancel, Preware freezes Jun 20 14:09:55 If I hit Restart, nothing happens later and the same problem happen if I try to restart the application. Jun 20 14:10:11 Any ideas /help anyone could provide me? Jun 20 14:14:34 Is there anybody here? :) Jun 20 14:17:55 Could anybody confirm at least if my messages are being received? Jun 20 14:18:23 they are by me :) Jun 20 14:18:30 not that I know the answer to your question Jun 20 14:19:21 Ok Jun 20 14:19:38 So, at least I know they are reaching someone :) Jun 20 14:19:44 Maybe someone can help me out. Jun 20 14:19:45 Thanks Jun 20 15:43:52 hi all, today I find out one thing that the speaker of pixi can be louder than what we know. Jun 20 15:44:54 maybe it would also happen to pre. Jun 20 15:48:56 the key is using a command - "alsamixer" , which comes from alsa-utils. Jun 20 15:49:15 from novacom? Jun 20 15:50:11 alsa-utils can be found in optware. Jun 20 15:51:50 Optware ++ Jun 20 15:52:22 Optware ++ ? Jun 20 15:52:32 type: ipkg-opt update Jun 20 15:52:50 type: ipkg-opt install alsa-utils Jun 20 15:53:11 PatrickC, meaning Optware upmod 2X Jun 20 15:54:09 ok, optware can be found in preware. Jun 20 15:54:13 eh, the volume on my pre is good for me.. is it easily reversible? Jun 20 15:54:22 devilis: that package isn't in there Jun 20 15:55:38 yes, you cannot install alsa-utils from preware directly. Jun 20 15:56:10 ok. I might do it later. thanks Jun 20 15:56:54 1st, install optware and Terminal from preware. Jun 20 15:57:26 2nd, launch terminal in your pixi Jun 20 15:57:46 I don't have a pixi Jun 20 15:57:52 3rd, ipkg-opt update; ipkg-opt install alsa-utils Jun 20 15:57:53 only pre- pre+ and pre2 Jun 20 15:58:21 maybe it would work on pre. Jun 20 15:58:25 it does Jun 20 15:59:26 divilis, optware is very good stuff... Jun 20 16:00:07 there is also an issue that the volume stat cannot be store. after I wake up pixi again, I must redo it again by using alsamixer. Jun 20 16:08:46 sorry for my poor english... Jun 20 16:09:20 ok, bye guys. take care. Jun 20 16:09:33 bye Jun 20 16:17:36 Is wIRC already in the catalog? :D Jun 20 16:17:53 it was suppose to be.. Jun 20 16:18:04 but I hear Adora hit the wrong button... :/ Jun 20 16:18:44 LOL ... oil's not going to be glad about that ;) Jun 20 16:19:06 he's the one who told me lol Jun 20 16:19:39 hehehe Jun 20 17:25:39 whats the buzz on linphone has development stopped? Jun 20 17:27:31 will linphone do google voice? Jun 20 17:27:43 nope Jun 20 17:27:55 its a voip app Jun 20 17:28:42 you can set it up with sipgate and have voogle call your sipgate number Jun 20 17:29:00 but I can't get the app to work Jun 20 17:38:22 is webos 2.2 going to be available on the pixi via the hack? Jun 20 17:38:41 probably not Jun 20 17:38:52 webos 2.1 isn't available legally on the pixi Jun 20 17:40:47 I know but I should legally get it because HP fucked me over Jun 20 17:41:01 lol Jun 20 17:41:40 they buy palm the go fuck you on the promised upgrade Jun 20 17:43:23 Vic_Sage-TheQues: QQ to a Pre- user Jun 20 17:43:38 then get back to us Jun 20 17:43:50 QQ? Jun 20 17:44:58 http://lmgtfy.com/?q=QQ Jun 20 18:37:42 "legally" get it? ... lol... Jun 20 18:41:18 hi room, i know this is a chat specifically for WebOS Internalz... but I figured this would be a great place to start as far as finding someone to point me in the right direction for finding an app developer Jun 20 18:42:23 ineedanappdevelo, no, this is not the place for Internalz Jun 20 18:42:34 thats someplace else...but not here :D Jun 20 18:42:36 I want to pay to have an app developed for iPhone, Blackberry, WebOS, Android (and any other major platform i don't know of that is served in european and asian markets) Jun 20 18:43:08 ineedanappdevelo: check #webos Jun 20 18:59:37 rwhitby: get your touchpad yet? Jun 20 20:34:49 now I am considering doing the hack for webos 2 update Jun 20 20:35:10 Vic_Sage-TheQues: what carrier are you on?? Jun 20 20:35:22 pageplus Jun 20 20:35:28 aka verizon Jun 20 20:35:42 then get a pre2 Jun 20 20:35:49 or wait a month and get a PreĀ³ Jun 20 20:36:31 I can't I just bought my Pixi because of the proposed upgrade to WebOS2.0 Jun 20 20:37:04 it has been known that the Pixi wasn't going to get 2.x for over 4 months now Jun 20 20:38:29 yeah it sucks I bought it when I saw the article that it was going to get the upgrade Jun 20 20:39:22 now I have to look for another phone less than 4 months after getting this one Jun 20 20:40:24 I had webOS 2.x on my Palm Pre, and I was actually happier with webOS 1.4.5 Jun 20 20:40:34 Vic_Sage-TheQues: http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/webosroundup/~3/dMRnO94gP5k/ Jun 20 20:40:39 I have heard that webOS 2.x doesn't run very well on the Pixi Jun 20 20:40:54 However, I have been very happy with webOS 2.x on a Pre 2, so... Jun 20 20:40:59 (or my Veer) Jun 20 20:41:34 HP can suck it i'm going to get an android phone Jun 20 20:42:46 all I really want it wifi calling without being tethered to a laptop Jun 20 20:44:42 then use Linphone? Jun 20 20:44:53 not working Jun 20 20:45:13 talk to the dev? Jun 20 20:45:28 or get an off-contract used pre+/pre2 Jun 20 20:45:42 I went for a year on a Pixi-... no wifi, crap Jun 20 20:47:02 I am on a Pixi+ Jun 20 20:47:27 you have wifi Jun 20 20:47:28 I didnt Jun 20 20:47:41 you've had it under 4 month Jun 20 20:47:47 I had for over a year Jun 20 20:47:54 give it some time Jun 20 20:49:18 what makes cellphones so goddamn expensive Jun 20 20:49:50 you can buy a freaking netbook for what some of these phones cost Jun 20 20:49:58 yeah Jun 20 20:50:06 because half of them are still status symbols Jun 20 20:50:12 but the netbook doesn't do near what the phone does Jun 20 20:50:22 Vic_Sage-TheQues, because they are TINY...and packing that much goodness into a small package that runs on a battery is HARD. Jun 20 20:52:28 I can get a 10.1 netbook for $200 Jun 20 20:52:42 So get one :) Jun 20 20:52:47 Iphone4 is like $400 Jun 20 20:53:03 does it have the speed, apps, phone, sms, video call, full HD screen/camera, homebrew that a phone has?? Jun 20 20:53:28 yeah Jun 20 20:53:48 the netbook can make calls and sms?a Jun 20 20:54:15 nd has Angry Birds? and a homebrew community that doesn't void your warranty? Jun 20 20:55:05 your arguments are full of fail. Jun 20 20:55:11 yeah there is a PC version of Angry Birds Jun 20 20:55:11 indeed Jun 20 20:55:24 skype, and linux Jun 20 20:55:41 and there is skype and linux Jun 20 20:56:07 If all you want to do is make Skype calls, and a netbook will work for you, maybe you should go that route Jun 20 20:56:21 ok.. what about homebrew that doesn't void your warrany? Jun 20 20:56:23 Just try and find one that's well supported under Linux, or use Windows, I guess Jun 20 20:56:25 warranty* Jun 20 20:56:34 PatrickC: linux. Jun 20 20:56:44 really? cool Jun 20 20:57:21 mainly because I am not always in america Jun 20 20:57:40 unlocked GSM phone ftw Jun 20 20:57:42 so sometimes I need a wifi calling option Jun 20 20:57:51 voogle Jun 20 20:58:27 voogle isn't wifi calling Jun 20 20:58:32 voogle just allows you to make calls using your google voice number but it uses your minutes Jun 20 20:58:32 You can make Skype calls with the TouchPad Jun 20 20:58:52 ah, I thought you could use voogle on wifi Jun 20 20:58:59 and on the Pre3 Jun 20 20:59:06 ...but it isn't built into webOS 1.x or 2.x, so you'd have to use a Homebrew solution if you wanted to do it on a webOS phone Jun 20 20:59:32 its in 2.2 iirc Jun 20 20:59:39 Like Linphone Jun 20 20:59:44 Full Skype Integration Coming to webOS 2.2 (with screenshots) @ http://www.webosroundup.com/2011/06/full-skype-integration-coming-to-webos-2-2-with-screenshots/ Jun 20 20:59:56 Huh, maybe I should look. Jun 20 21:00:25 WOR ftw :) Jun 20 21:00:51 bbl Jun 20 21:00:51 it was on p|c too if im not mistaken... Jun 20 21:01:06 hmm.. must have missed the p|c one Jun 20 21:01:31 http://www.precentral.net/skype-audio-and-video-features-pre-3-screenshots Jun 20 21:03:02 see thats what ticks me off about that Jun 20 21:04:36 webos is always left out from appz Jun 20 21:05:59 I think the TouchPad will change things Jun 20 21:06:10 Unfortunately, many carriers have seemed to neglect their webOS phones Jun 20 21:06:19 not even carriers Jun 20 21:06:23 devs Jun 20 21:06:37 Sprint associates always pushed the Android phones and skipped over their webOS phones, and same with AT&T and Verizon Jun 20 21:06:41 didnt verizon have skype exclusivity? Jun 20 21:07:16 singmajesty: oh, I see, which led to lack of mindshare Jun 20 21:07:25 However, I think the TouchPad may change things. I've personally been surprised by the amount of excitement and developer support I've seen with the TouchPad so far, and it will be available from normal retail stores Jun 20 21:08:06 Think anywhere you can find an HP laptop, like Walmart, Costco, Best Buy... Jun 20 21:08:12 I think that's where the TouchPad is being pushed Jun 20 21:08:20 all the apps I want are "available on iphone, android or blackberry" Jun 20 21:08:23 I think HP has done the right thing in working with companies to get "big name" apps Jun 20 21:08:33 their like fuck webos Jun 20 21:08:38 If the TouchPad breaks new ground in developer support, I think that support is going to overflow onto phones Jun 20 21:08:48 Multi-tasking on a tablet, especially, is a huge win Jun 20 21:08:51 I think they're more accurately like "we can't make money on webos" Jun 20 21:08:59 So we'll see. One and a half weeks until it comes out Jun 20 21:09:02 or "why would we develop for webos, their marketshare is small" Jun 20 21:09:30 I think the Pre 3 may also be more popular, as well Jun 20 21:10:04 doesn't do crap for me on my Pixi+ Jun 20 21:10:47 I am a Palm employee. I have a Pre, Pre Plus, Pre 2, Veer, Pre 3 and TouchPad Jun 20 21:10:54 Pixis are dead ;) Jun 20 21:10:59 My wife still likes her Pixi the best (except maybe the TouchPad) Jun 20 21:11:04 So to each their own :) Jun 20 21:11:13 It isn't a bad phone, it just depends on your needs Jun 20 21:11:17 I liked the pixi form-factor Jun 20 21:11:24 didn't like the limited hardware Jun 20 21:11:25 I personally like the Veer the most Jun 20 21:11:44 ...but the fact that it performs about as well as a Pre 2 probably helps Jun 20 21:11:54 I also like the size Jun 20 21:12:07 I haven't really handled anything else beyond the Pre2, which didn't seem that different from my pre- Jun 20 21:12:22 ok, let me rephrase, the Pixi is the only webOS phone with an armv6 style processor, all others use armv7, so, Palm has better things to do with their money than support 2 processor types, so, they just left the Pixi die Jun 20 21:12:38 The build is a little bit different, and primarily, the difference is the processor. The extra memory of a Pre Plus or Pre 2 also really helps, in my opinion Jun 20 21:13:22 I compile all my games for armv6, works for everything Jun 20 21:13:52 I think we are seeing some change moving forward from the Pre/Pre Plus/Pre 2, as the other devices have a Qualcomm chipset Jun 20 21:14:08 So the processor and GPU are Qualcomm, instead of TI and PowerVR Jun 20 21:14:30 In that sense, the Pixi is actually closer to the current generation of devices than the Pre 2 Jun 20 21:14:55 I like the Pixi but I don't like the no official option for wifi calling without using minutes Jun 20 21:14:56 ...but yes, it is the only device that is an ARMv6 architecture Jun 20 21:15:45 How well does Linphone work? Has anyone here used it? Jun 20 21:16:07 I am surprised there isn't a class action lawsuit for the blatent bait and switching that Palm pulled Jun 20 21:16:31 on what grounds? Jun 20 21:16:54 singmajesty: I think a fair amount of people have used it, however, I have not Jun 20 21:17:21 big announcement that older devices will get the 2.0 upgrade the another announcement that i'm not getting it Jun 20 21:17:35 Vic_Sage-TheQues: You may be interested in installing Preware, and trying Linphone (or is it listed by another name?) Jun 20 21:17:59 they've provided some technical reasons for why the 2.0 upgrade isn't happening, and they've said they'll "make it right" Jun 20 21:18:00 Theoretically, that should work with a VOIP account, like VOIPo -- $8 a month, unlimited minutes in the US Jun 20 21:18:04 that's not bait and switch... Jun 20 21:18:47 I'm not sure if Linphone is in preware? last I knew, it was in "private" beta Jun 20 21:18:52 in that you had to ask someone to get access to it Jun 20 21:19:02 Linphone when I initiate a call there is no audio everything registers but it just doesn't connect Jun 20 21:19:36 it says dialing but there is no audio Jun 20 21:21:08 and I have to reboot the phone just to get it to connect again Jun 20 21:21:27 Bummer Jun 20 21:22:49 Vic_Sage-TheQues: did you buy your older device before or after 2.0 came out? Jun 20 21:23:07 they've provided some technical reasons for why the 2.0 upgrade isn't happening, and they've said they'll "make it right" ---> a way for them to "make it right" would be just to give me a skype app Jun 20 21:23:21 well, feel free to tell them that Jun 20 21:23:31 I don't expect they'll listen though Jun 20 21:24:31 I really think the "make it right" thing was "there, go grab the 2.1 builds for the GSM Pre's and let webos-internals do their magic, that's the last we'll be able to do for you" Jun 20 21:25:17 http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/36331/hp-webos-2-existing-handsets ----> when I saw this I bought it because it was available for $40 Jun 20 21:25:28 NuttyBunny: I think they would have said that Jun 20 21:25:38 bbl Jun 20 21:25:52 I don't think "make it right" would have been something unspoken, particularly because they're getting so much flak over it Jun 20 21:27:12 summatusmentis: Perhaps it was a decision taken at the uppermost levels, and the only thing the dev relations team could do was to give us that, and maybe even stealthy Jun 20 21:27:17 * dwc- shrugs Jun 20 21:27:30 hrm, I'm skeptical Jun 20 21:27:33 The tricky thing about "making things right" with a phone is that it requires cooperation with both the device manufacturer and the carrier Jun 20 21:27:35 the direct quote says nothing about which customers would receive it Jun 20 21:27:38 If you remember, not even Germany was to get 2.1, it was only after many people complained with them Jun 20 21:27:51 Carriers are tricky to work with, it seems Jun 20 21:27:53 palm has lost me as a customer Jun 20 21:27:54 and if it's available to the carriers but they don't push the update, it's no longer HP's problem Jun 20 21:28:15 but I'm no lawyer Jun 20 21:28:27 that's a good point Jun 20 21:29:08 Vic_Sage-TheQues: congrats, enjoy your iphone? Jun 20 21:29:23 I mean, I don't even get 2.1.2 like the veer, and I have an unlocked pre2 that has no carrier inhibitions Jun 20 21:29:28 android phone screw crapple Jun 20 21:29:45 well, regardless Jun 20 21:29:54 dwc-: that's another issue, Pre 2 is supposed to even get 3.x Jun 20 21:30:02 Vic_Sage-TheQues: I'm sorry you're frustrated, but thanks for coming by. Jun 20 21:30:06 in the coming months, etc. yea, not holding my breath. Jun 20 21:30:14 but of course, the Pre- would get 2.1 :S Jun 20 21:30:18 lol @ "make things right" quote Jun 20 21:30:22 I think the Pixi is a good phone, but I changed carriers because I wanted to use newer phones Jun 20 21:30:25 if I could just get a skype app for 1.4.5 i'd stay Jun 20 21:30:28 I mean, thre Pre3 isn't going to have 3.x on launch either Jun 20 21:30:36 thats good Jun 20 21:30:36 I am under no illusions that I will receive all future versions of software Jun 20 21:31:04 you can go verizon and get a skype app ... or was it sprint Jun 20 21:31:11 vzw Jun 20 21:31:16 and iirc, only on pre2? Jun 20 21:31:30 I am on a verizon pixi plus no skype for me Jun 20 21:31:34 yep, pre2, but it's routed over their infrastructure, no true voip app Jun 20 21:31:42 sprint has done absolutely nothing related to webos beyond releasing the devices Jun 20 21:31:45 Vic_Sage-TheQues: The Pixi is DEAD Jun 20 21:31:45 com.skype.app.skypesearchdirectory_1.0-12_armv7.ipk Jun 20 21:31:50 ah, armv7 Jun 20 21:32:17 yeah I am pissed Jun 20 21:32:32 linphone? Jun 20 21:32:42 I'd be pissed as well Jun 20 21:33:08 nuttybunny would be pissed, but he's still on 1.4.0 was it? Jun 20 21:33:42 can I have my $40 back? Jun 20 21:33:51 no Jun 20 21:33:52 dwc-: No, ALL my devices run 2.1. I feel sorry for my fellow friends who bought a Pre from Telcel, they're in 1.4.0 Jun 20 21:34:08 sure, take it back to the place you bought it Jun 20 21:34:25 and point at the blog post, and tell 'em you want your money back Jun 20 21:34:38 "make it right damnet!" Jun 20 21:35:42 Palm did a total bait and switch they could atleast do a lite version of webos 2.0 Jun 20 21:36:46 whinnnnne whine whine Jun 20 21:37:31 * rrix looks at the vzw priceplans for their capped data plans and shakes his head Jun 20 21:38:01 gooooooooo sprint pre3! Jun 20 21:38:19 the entire price structure for AT&T/Verizon is horrible Jun 20 21:38:31 $0.10 a text message Jun 20 21:39:10 oilsworkn: here's hopin' Jun 20 21:39:20 20 bytes.. Jun 20 21:40:01 * rrix is looking at 3GB cap for the same price as unlimited Jun 20 21:40:14 (current unlimited) Jun 20 21:40:21 And that applies to their LTE network, as well Jun 20 21:40:23 I used to have free incoming sms Jun 20 21:40:28 * summatusmentis has true unlimited Jun 20 21:40:34 SERO is awesome Jun 20 21:40:44 blue at&t, TDMA Jun 20 21:40:49 * oilsworkn has sprint, never tested its unlimitedness Jun 20 21:40:50 * rrix has true unlimited until June 6 2012 :) Jun 20 21:41:23 oilsworkn: the later sprint plans call it unlimited, but I think have a 5GB cap in their ToS Jun 20 21:41:34 meh Jun 20 21:41:37 the ToS I agreed to do not have tat stipulation Jun 20 21:41:52 they have a 5GB note in the ToS but don't always enforce it iirc Jun 20 21:42:06 why isn't the government stopping them from advertising as unlimited if its not? Jun 20 21:42:18 even if they don't specify, they can always use the other vagueness where they can yank you for using more than your share Jun 20 21:42:21 because their customers agree to their ToS Jun 20 21:42:24 because it is vague Jun 20 21:42:30 with the quick announcer guy at the end "unlimited is not really unlimited, 4g does not mean 4g" Jun 20 21:42:38 they don't say they will Jun 20 21:42:41 they say they can Jun 20 21:42:52 so it IS unlimited unless you're borking their shit Jun 20 21:43:20 I've come pretty close to 5GB, and nothing happened Jun 20 21:44:15 I hope the ATT/T-Mobile merger doesn't go through Jun 20 21:44:35 me to, but I'm pretty resigned to the fact that it likely will Jun 20 21:45:03 that'd put ATT in a monopoly position over the GSM standard Jun 20 21:45:17 and make them the largest network Jun 20 21:47:01 aren't ATT & Tmobile the only GSM carriers in the US? Jun 20 21:47:45 pretty much Jun 20 21:47:52 there are probably some small regional ones Jun 20 21:49:00 it is really lame that cellphones are still so expensive in the US Jun 20 21:50:13 admittedly sometimes capitalism doesn't work out for the best Jun 20 22:01:21 https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=97&t=15313 Jun 20 22:01:25 "fat" packaging is go Jun 20 22:01:44 (Mojo + Enyo in the same IPK) Jun 20 22:10:45 singmajesty, ping? Jun 20 22:15:16 Yo Jun 20 22:15:46 good to hear something that we discussed there is a go :D Jun 20 22:16:26 Yeah, I'm glad that the catalog issues are worked Jun 20 22:16:28 worked out Jun 20 22:16:42 Oh, and multi-packaging (or fat packaging) for PDK apps is up and working Jun 20 22:16:54 fat packaging is what I was referring to.... Jun 20 22:17:09 Had to compile a small C app to do it, though, rather than using a shell script, since /bin/sh isn't mounted in the virtual filesystem for apps Jun 20 22:17:24 ugh Jun 20 22:17:26 The link is for SDK apps Jun 20 22:17:35 Jails are an ev1L necessity Jun 20 22:17:37 I was adding that I also have a solution for PDK apps Jun 20 22:18:01 Pretty simple -- calls uname to get device details, then execl to launch the appropriate executable Jun 20 22:18:14 perfect. Jun 20 22:19:02 So its the same principle as the SDK version, I guess... Jun 20 22:19:10 ya, Jun 20 22:19:17 Load a switcher, evaluate some logic, branch to a new root application Jun 20 22:19:31 I could use a quick bit of help...let me see if I can PM you :D Jun 20 22:19:51 Sure Jun 20 22:29:19 uhoh secret conversation Jun 20 22:32:56 * PatrickC listens in Jun 21 01:36:19 YO yo Jun 21 01:36:26 who was having connect issues with wIRC? Jun 21 01:36:43 like it not working on the first try Jun 21 01:43:02 yo Jun 21 01:43:08 i mean, me Jun 21 01:43:20 haeffb, can you trigger it regularlly Jun 21 01:45:07 if you're talking about auto-connect not connecting, yes Jun 21 01:45:52 hah. Except that time. Jun 21 01:45:55 lol Jun 21 01:46:21 lemme reboot and see what happens Jun 21 01:50:08 that time it didn't connect Jun 21 01:50:25 heh, I read that as "lemme robot and see what happens" Jun 21 01:50:39 then tapping the connect button, it did Jun 21 01:55:45 wanna try a new package and see if it helps with this issue? Jun 21 02:04:19 sure Jun 21 02:07:04 haeffb, http://cwl.cogsci.rpi.edu/org.webosinternals.wirc_0.4.4_all.ipk Jun 21 02:16:56 "waiting for the plugin" Jun 21 02:18:13 closed. reopened. no connecty Jun 21 02:18:24 hit connect button, connecty Jun 21 02:18:43 seems...simliar to before Jun 21 02:19:32 haeffb: wirc? :) Jun 21 02:20:04 yes Jun 21 02:20:48 we need to know how to help oil, that bug has months :( Jun 21 02:43:33 lame Jun 21 02:45:08 what? wirc? Jun 21 02:45:17 that the bug is still happening Jun 21 02:45:41 guess my fix does not help with that Jun 21 02:47:22 ah, yes, how can we help debugging it? Jun 21 02:47:44 it happens on first load, it never connects at first Jun 21 02:48:13 then sometimes it just disconnects itself, and it says it's connected and it never acknowledges it :( Jun 21 02:48:25 what's it written in? Jun 21 02:48:54 NuttyBunny, i was getting that on the emulator last yesterday when I was working on the enyo version Jun 21 02:49:03 and i change some shit and it seemed to fix it really nice Jun 21 02:49:23 but idk what is up with the non enyo version Jun 21 02:49:31 really? but is it still wrong on the device? maybe uninstalling/reinstalling? Jun 21 02:56:40 sometimes when I upgrade, it waits for the plugin on first run Jun 21 02:57:01 restart often fixes that Jun 21 02:57:47 (of the app) Jun 21 02:58:25 the last version you're testing is 0.4.3? Jun 21 02:58:32 no Jun 21 02:58:35 me? yes Jun 21 02:58:39 i posted a link for 0.4.4 Jun 21 02:58:48 I'm just talking about in general Jun 21 02:59:28 dwc-: It has been long since the last time I saw the "waiting for plugin" issue ;) Jun 21 02:59:37 I saw it just the other day when I upgraded to 0.4.3 Jun 21 02:59:48 PuffTheMagic: forums? I'll look for it :) Jun 21 02:59:48 the disconnect/reconnect thing I think there's a number of causes, some related to each other, some not Jun 21 02:59:51 neato! come to me Jun 21 02:59:56 no **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jun 21 02:59:56 2011