**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jun 24 02:59:57 2011 Jun 24 03:13:41 destinal: nope, linphone is not in any feeds. Jun 24 03:14:47 rwhitby: hmmm, sounds like if he's not working on it any more someone should package it up at least in a beta feed Jun 24 03:15:53 yep, could do that. Jun 24 03:16:39 rwhitby: does he have public contact info? might be worth pinging him first just to see what he's planning if anything Jun 24 03:18:09 we really need a VOIP app and it sounds like his port of linphone's the closest thing out there besides the forthcoming skype (ugh, proprietary) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jun 24 03:19:19 2011 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jun 24 03:20:09 2011 Jun 24 03:21:03 * rwhitby removes that from the logs Jun 24 03:21:23 the email? Jun 24 03:21:25 ah right, harvesters Jun 24 03:21:49 rwhitby: feeding spammers one email addresss at a time. Jun 24 03:21:51 yep, impolite to paste someones address in logs that can be harvested Jun 24 03:22:02 Tibfib: not any more, it's been expurgated Jun 24 03:22:03 ;) Jun 24 03:22:16 that's an impressive word Jun 24 03:22:21 I'm going to have to use that more Jun 24 03:22:29 s/more// Jun 24 03:22:29 Tibfib meant: I'm going to have to use that Jun 24 03:22:48 Tibfib: heh, > 0 is still more, yeah :) Jun 24 03:23:04 true Jun 24 03:23:04 lol Jun 24 03:23:10 * rwhitby bbl Jun 24 03:23:33 cya rwhitby Jun 24 03:24:04 Tibfib: "You mean you can't take less," said the Hatter, "it's very easy to take more than nothing." :) Jun 24 03:24:24 heh Jun 24 03:25:14 ooh, look at destinal, proving how well read he is :-D Jun 24 03:25:50 and look at me, smiling and nodding Jun 24 03:26:05 lol Jun 24 03:27:46 summatusmentis: Lewis Carrol's awesome. We need more clever, thought-provoking, nonsense in stories. :) Jun 24 03:28:00 heh Jun 24 03:29:06 we also need more authors who write on opium Jun 24 03:29:08 :) Jun 24 03:32:39 I feel like I'll read a bit more once I have a touchpad with the kindle app Jun 24 03:32:59 ^^ same here Jun 24 03:33:00 I've been in a "why would I buy a paper book when the future is moving toward digital books" mood Jun 24 03:33:32 and "Why carry 100 real books when a kindle carries 1000's" Jun 24 03:33:46 Tibfib: my kindle made me start reading a lot more Jun 24 03:33:46 why would you carry 100 real books? Jun 24 03:34:00 summatusmentis: I was really close to buying one a month ago Jun 24 03:34:06 Tibfib: my point exactly Jun 24 03:34:10 was going on a trip for 3 weeks Jun 24 03:34:27 * PatrickC wants mini card view back Jun 24 03:35:00 hmm, might be interesting to run java apps on a touchpad. did the source code to that java port ever get released? Jun 24 03:35:21 I think it did.. I'm off to bed Jun 24 03:35:24 night Jun 24 03:35:50 hrm... my does safari show these templates, but chrome does not? Jun 24 03:36:45 chrome seems restrictive on accessing files, there are several command line options Jun 24 03:36:55 I often open it with --allow-file-access-from-files Jun 24 03:36:57 oh, irritating Jun 24 03:37:05 any idea how to do that on a mac? Jun 24 03:37:17 terminal? Jun 24 03:37:20 ideally by default Jun 24 03:37:32 make a shortcut? Jun 24 03:37:35 PatrickC: yeh, but I don't know if you can launch a .app file w/ cli flags Jun 24 03:37:52 summatusmentis: use forums Jun 24 03:37:58 rwhitby should be the local Mac expert as well Jun 24 03:43:20 oh, that's irritating, figured it out Jun 24 03:44:00 cool, at least. Did it work? Jun 24 03:44:15 yeah Jun 24 03:44:37 the .app is just a file structure, have go down a couple of levels to find the actual binary Jun 24 03:44:47 I'll probalby setup an alias Jun 24 06:00:06 anyone available for an app catalog question? Jun 24 06:03:03 shoot Jun 24 06:04:11 so I went & did the app catalog 2 update from the Veer IPK on my Pre- Jun 24 06:05:06 it works fine, but really missing the ability to easily see app updates. any way to revert? I didn't see a "findapps" IPK in my sprint 1.4.5 doctor file Jun 24 06:05:59 oh, I don't know Jun 24 06:06:21 isn't it just overwritten by the one in /media/cryptofs? Jun 24 06:08:08 not really sure.. Jun 24 06:08:14 no, it's in the 145 doc for sure Jun 24 06:08:53 I know an earlier version of the app-cat2 install was only temporary & it would revert on reboot. Jun 24 06:09:09 you look in the /usr/palm/applications/ folder of the rootfs for it? Jun 24 06:09:30 re: the 145 doc, I saw the findapp folder - just not a simple ipk. lemme reload it Jun 24 06:10:18 there probably isn't an ipk Jun 24 06:12:13 yeah, was thinking that might be the case. didn't know if I could do a "simple" file copy over to restore Jun 24 07:08:55 hey Rod, are you there? Jun 24 07:12:19 anybody can help me? Jun 24 07:14:54 ? Jun 24 07:16:24 * rrix wishes darronb would have documented his build process better than he did. Jun 24 07:20:00 and that repos on git.webos-internals had source instead of just binaries. I feel like I'm missing something important. Jun 24 07:20:26 there are sources on gitorious but they produce different binary names than what he created on the webos-internals repo.. Jun 24 07:22:20 * rrix sends him an email Jun 24 07:24:53 heloo? Jun 24 07:24:58 anybody here? Jun 24 07:30:40 Danie7: rwhitby should be around eventually. It's nighttime in the US and early morning in Europe, though, so everyone else is probably not going to be around :) Jun 24 07:34:12 ah, OK Jun 24 07:34:17 but can you help me? Jun 24 07:45:10 I doubt it :) Jun 24 07:45:21 * rrix is not much more than "that guy who idles and complains about his current random hack" :) Jun 24 08:53:22 Danie7: what's up? Jun 24 08:53:58 hey Rod Jun 24 08:54:02 rrix: have you found both the widk build area and the repo with the binaries? Jun 24 08:54:10 I just got my palm pre 2 Jun 24 08:56:50 rrix: e.g. http://git.webos-internals.org/qt/qt/ Jun 24 08:57:40 rrix: and http://git.webos-internals.org/preware/cross-compile/tree/packages/nonworking/dev-qt/qt/Makefile Jun 24 08:58:22 it really sucks without the ability to buy paid apps :( Jun 24 09:20:31 rwhitby: I didn't see the latter, oh snap Jun 24 09:20:44 * rrix looks in to it Jun 24 09:21:06 * rrix emailed darron about an hour ago for the build directions he sent to Nokia Jun 24 09:21:11 it may be in nonworking for a good reason, or it may just have been moved there cause no-one cared Jun 24 09:21:27 but if that's those directions, I should be able to figure it out Jun 24 09:25:05 huh Jun 24 09:25:07 Interesting Jun 24 09:28:18 Oh this is for the sb2 version of widk isn't it... /me is using the "alternate setup" that doesnt use sb2... Jun 24 09:28:40 * rrix should probably try making sb2 work again... Jun 24 09:42:47 who came here yesterday asking about 2.1 on VZW? Jun 24 09:42:55 anyway, its here Jun 24 09:42:57 :-) Jun 24 09:58:35 officially? Jun 24 10:11:45 yes Jun 24 10:16:49 Oh snap Jun 24 10:16:51 Nice Jun 24 10:31:28 phoque_uni, for which device(s) Jun 24 10:31:38 Pre2 I'm assuming Jun 24 10:34:14 yes, verizon pre 2 Jun 24 10:44:49 yes Jun 24 10:44:51 that Jun 24 10:44:52 .-) Jun 24 10:45:23 Is there an ETA on that? /me doesn't see it on his pre2's updater yet Jun 24 14:35:00 puffthemagic: http://goaruna.com/s/o7O6kJQa version 0.4.4 Jun 24 17:30:45 anyone know what would cause a sudden freeze resulting in a battery pull, then losing application settings for most apps after restart? running Sprint 1.4.5 F102A-182 Jun 24 17:37:04 overclocking Jun 24 17:37:39 or experimental kernel code Jun 24 17:38:49 Loudergood: F102-A-182 prolly caused the freeze. know what would cause the app settings to vanish? Jun 24 17:39:11 file corruption Jun 24 17:39:15 probably corruption of wherever those are stored Jun 24 17:39:29 so, the battery pull while the db was open, most likely Jun 24 17:39:33 ruh-oh Jun 24 17:41:54 auto backup stopped, also Jun 24 17:51:39 Is it posible to get webos to the same speed as other operating ysem Jun 24 17:51:43 System Jun 24 17:52:31 speed is really subjective, as is "other operating systems" Jun 24 17:52:37 what do you mean? Jun 24 17:52:58 Like launhing apps Jun 24 17:53:39 On say android it happens instantly. On th pre it takes a bit to load. Some much slower than others Jun 24 17:54:22 partially it's very dependent on the hardware, what andoird hardware are you comparing to? Jun 24 17:54:35 i was surprised the touched works the same way Jun 24 17:54:38 it's also dependent on the app itself, and how much the app needs to load before it's "ready" Jun 24 17:54:42 Touch pad Jun 24 17:55:01 The browser Jun 24 17:55:25 I really don't understand what you're saying, please be more specific Jun 24 17:56:47 Things load slow. When i want to launch an app it flashes in the background before it can be used. If i launch an app on android there is no loading screen. It opens instantly Jun 24 17:57:12 when you launch an app on android, it doesn't show that it's loading (or it's already running in the background) Jun 24 17:57:45 the pre is pretty old hardware, so if you're comparing it to one of the newer droid phones, you're going to notice a difference Jun 24 17:58:04 Even if i reboot the phone everything opens instant so it cannot be running in background Jun 24 17:58:14 I used the pre 2 Jun 24 17:58:23 Also the veer Jun 24 17:58:46 well, like I said, an android phone won't show you than an app is loading Jun 24 17:59:06 whereas webos opens a card prior to the app being fully loaded Jun 24 17:59:21 Wish webostensibly can get to that point. Is does basically the same thing. Jun 24 17:59:46 Ios does the same instant loading Jun 24 18:00:47 there's nothing you can do to change the way webos opens apps, if that's what you're asking Jun 24 18:00:53 it's sort of inherent in the system Jun 24 18:02:04 android and ios don't really close apps Jun 24 18:02:12 I thought 3.0 was suppose to solve that but it looks exactly the same. That's going to turn off many customers Jun 24 18:02:25 supposed to solve what, specifically? Jun 24 18:02:30 app load time? Jun 24 18:33:22 Webs being slow and laggy Jun 24 18:34:03 i am still confused Jun 24 18:34:13 you want webos apps to load "instantly" like android? Jun 24 18:34:43 my android apps dont load instantly, they just have a differnt style loading screen Jun 24 18:34:48 apparently he's never used a droid eris Jun 24 18:35:18 i use a nook color, its similar to pre2 in hardware, my pre2 is way faster Jun 24 18:54:49 webos and android are both slower than native Jun 24 18:54:58 layers of abstraction for the lose Jun 24 18:56:12 PatrickC, what? Jun 24 18:59:42 you want webos apps to load "instantly" like android? Jun 24 18:59:52 scoutcamper: instantly and android don't go in the same sentence Jun 24 19:00:37 PuffTheMagic: I think he meant that.......... it still does it :/ Jun 24 19:01:14 yeah Jun 24 19:01:47 destinal: I agree, all phones should require asm coding Jun 24 19:02:16 summatusmentis: heh, there's this thing called C that keeps you from needing to do that you know :) Jun 24 19:02:48 I'm aware, writing in C now :) Jun 24 19:03:21 summatusmentis: though optimizing some things in ASM is still worthwhile no matter what people say Jun 24 19:03:51 on mobile especially Jun 24 19:04:18 I don't disagree, just a pain in the ass Jun 24 19:04:57 NuttyBunny, well he reported that issue on 0.4.4 and the current version is 0.4.4 Jun 24 19:04:58 so Jun 24 19:05:02 obviously it still does it Jun 24 19:06:00 ah.. wasn't that the issue you fixed? :) Jun 24 19:06:19 ... for 0.4.4? Jun 24 19:07:07 no Jun 24 19:07:36 he doesnt have to manually press the connect button any more Jun 24 19:07:46 that is wirc doing that automatically Jun 24 19:07:49 it always did that too Jun 24 19:07:58 just before the plugin did it all Jun 24 19:08:05 and now the js does the reconnect Jun 24 19:09:51 Hi, since I update Preware, I see Application 516 but before 2500, why this diffence? Jun 24 19:10:50 Theoneric, I guess because the official Palm-feeds have been removed Jun 24 19:12:42 It is possible to add thé official Palm-feeds? Jun 24 19:12:49 PuffTheMagic: I was trying to show that it still doesn't connect every time Jun 24 19:13:03 Theoneric: not anymore Jun 24 19:13:05 Theoneric, no, HP has discontinued them Jun 24 19:13:25 sadly Jun 24 19:18:25 PuffTheMagic: So, you tap connect just once, and it should try to connect until it does? Jun 24 19:18:43 it didn't do that for me Jun 24 19:48:56 ok so due to shit cellular latency and the way select works... there is always a good chance the plugin will fail to connect on its first chance Jun 24 19:49:07 s/chance/attempt Jun 24 19:49:16 before the plugin used to try 10 times then give up Jun 24 19:49:23 and u didnt see that in the gui Jun 24 19:49:46 i got rid of the loop Jun 24 19:49:58 so now when it tries and cant connect the gui gets notified Jun 24 19:50:03 and it handles trying to reconnect Jun 24 19:50:14 this needs to be made more transparent to the users Jun 24 19:50:35 ah Jun 24 19:50:38 I see now Jun 24 19:51:20 or Jun 24 19:51:25 it shouldnt be saying disconnected Jun 24 19:51:34 cause it was really never connected in the first place Jun 24 19:51:44 it what im trying to say Jun 24 21:20:20 hi guys Jun 24 21:23:20 in my pre- is risky compcache increase over 96 Mb? Jun 24 21:27:54 someone can help me? Jun 24 21:31:23 already shipping? http://www.amazon.com/HP-Touchstone-Charging-FB339AA-ABA/dp/B0055QYJIS/ref=sr_1_11?ie=UTF8&qid=1308950876&sr=8-11 Jun 24 21:32:09 "has quit [Quit: There's nothing dirtier then a giant ball of oil]" wtf? Jun 24 21:32:14 and, Jack87: yay Jun 24 21:32:28 hola oilsworkn Jun 24 21:33:05 party time! Jun 24 21:33:09 * oilsworkn would need http://www.amazon.com/HP-Wireless-Keyboard-FB344AA-AC3/dp/B0055QYJK6/ref=pd_sxp_grid_pt_0_0 to go with it though Jun 24 21:33:23 i been looking for that :) Jun 24 21:33:54 i wonder if the touchstone comes with a chord this time Jun 24 21:34:51 keyboard and charger are "out of stock" http://www.amazon.com/HP-American-TouchPad-FB341AA-ABA/dp/B0055QYJJM/ref=sr_1_44?ie=UTF8&qid=1308951037&sr=8-44 Jun 24 21:35:17 http://www.amazon.com/HP-Case-TouchPad-FB343AA-AC3/dp/B0055QYJKG/ref=pd_cp_e_3 also says its shipping Jun 24 21:37:09 intrestingness Jun 24 21:38:40 comes with a case from costco.com haha Jun 24 21:39:10 ohh Jun 24 21:39:39 but it doesnt look like the fancy official case Jun 24 21:39:44 http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?Prodid=11659699&search=Touchpad0622&Mo=0&Nr=P_CatalogName:BC&N=5000043&whse=BC&Dx=mode%20matchallpartial&Ntk=Text_Search&Dr=P_CatalogName:BC&Ne=4000000&D=Touchpad0622&Ntt=Touchpad0622&cm_mmc=FlashQuad-_-Homepage-_-2-_-MarketingItem&ec=1&No=0&Nty=1&topnav=&Ntx=mode%20matchallpartial Jun 24 21:40:10 90 day return policy :) thats always nice Jun 24 21:40:39 that link makes webchat unhappy Jun 24 21:40:49 lol Jun 24 21:41:12 http://tiny.cc/6feps Jun 24 21:41:15 is that any betteR? Jun 24 21:41:21 the link worked fine Jun 24 21:41:34 but its created a horizontal scroll bar above the text entry haha Jun 24 21:41:44 weird Jun 24 21:42:58 hey it's Adora Jun 24 21:43:02 have a nice birthday? Jun 24 21:43:12 oilsworkn: nice enough =] Jun 24 21:43:23 do you "feel" older? Jun 24 21:43:33 * oilsworkn remembers actually feeling older on birthdays as a child Jun 24 21:43:43 now, its just like another day Jun 24 21:43:44 lol Jun 24 21:44:45 I think she just turned 29 again Jun 24 21:44:52 so that's no older than the first time Jun 24 21:45:47 https://dev.openwrt.org/browser/trunk/target/linux/generic-2.6/patches/050-mtdpart-redboot-partition-truncate.patch?rev=5813 Jun 24 21:45:50 lulz rw Jun 24 21:47:35 was trying to find a way to mount mtdblocks and access redboot fis configuration dir Jun 24 21:47:42 imlike hey i know this haxxor. Jun 24 21:48:14 heh Jun 24 21:48:16 5 years ago Jun 24 21:48:37 yeah, sweat and tears. Jun 24 21:48:47 silly hackers Jun 24 21:52:24 shit heh Jun 24 21:52:33 i think i even msged him about some other shit i found him bloggin on Jun 24 21:52:50 stalker? Jun 24 21:52:53 lol Jun 24 21:53:05 mmmnah , just google. Jun 24 21:53:40 oilsworkn, Adora gave you a birthday present on her B-Day by releasing wIRC into the catalog! haha did you thank her for all the strings she pulled? Jun 24 21:55:05 oc80z, Rod leads the OpenWRT project Jun 24 21:55:10 shut up Jun 24 21:55:33 htats liek saying Jun 24 21:55:40 turns out those strings were nooses...oops =] Jun 24 21:55:43 Rod is actually a Robot Cyborg. Jun 24 21:56:09 haha Jun 24 21:56:36 now i gotta submit an update, hopefully its painless Jun 24 21:56:49 hahahahaha Jun 24 21:57:26 Adora: mojo version of wirc is great at tp res Jun 24 21:57:28 holy shit Jun 24 21:57:30 heh Jun 24 21:57:49 ipk or yer lyin' Jun 24 21:58:02 well, im at work, no codes here Jun 24 21:58:06 Jack87: hell yeah theres some recent commits. Jun 24 21:58:30 ill email ya an ipk though :) Jun 24 21:58:32 this evening Jun 24 21:59:10 dundunDUN Jun 24 22:05:50 oc80z, youll see rwhitby in #openwrt every now and then Jun 24 22:06:42 hi haeffb Jun 24 22:06:45 i mean halfhalo Jun 24 22:06:58 yeah when i stumbled on nslug2 from openembedded i saw rw and his part in it and for obvious reasons he's got commits in owrt. Jun 24 22:07:13 hola que tal como estas Jun 24 22:07:54 por que no te kias cholo Jun 24 22:08:01 imah dipset. later ppl. Jun 24 22:11:43 halfhalo, yo no hablo español Jun 24 22:11:59 "donde esta el bano" is the extent of what i know Jun 24 22:13:54 which is kind of sad, since i work with hundreds of spanish speakers Jun 24 22:14:15 i know "hola" Jun 24 22:14:33 i got an A in spanish 1 and 2 in high school... haha but thats all I remember Jun 24 22:14:37 heh Jun 24 22:14:46 I know helado Jun 24 22:15:09 i know taco, nacho, burrito, and taquito Jun 24 22:15:12 oh, and "que pasa?" Jun 24 22:15:20 which is like "whats up?" Jun 24 22:15:35 "Wire - damn you autocorrect" LOL :D Jun 24 22:15:47 * oilsworkn <3 that tagline Jun 24 22:16:01 we say "que onda" more than "que pasa" Jun 24 22:16:30 well, thats what gets said to me here, i never heard que onda before Jun 24 22:17:21 oilsworkn, the spanish i know is more impotant than "que pasa", mine gets you yummy food :D Jun 24 22:17:21 ah, could be, it's heard more often in Mexico City Jun 24 22:17:22 usually if they talk spanish at me i just pretend i didn't hear them and keep walking Jun 24 22:17:32 * oilsworkn is kind of a jerk Jun 24 22:18:04 or ill be like, explaining something technical to someone, who is repeating it in spanish to others Jun 24 22:18:22 take e toes come free hole e toes Jun 24 22:18:22 thats always fun Jun 24 22:19:07 speaking of which, i should probably head out to the cherry line and make sure its still working Jun 24 22:19:07 the taquitos eat what? Jun 24 22:19:31 small beans? Jun 24 22:20:04 * oilsworkn brb Jun 24 22:20:40 yep, taquitos con frijolitos :) Jun 24 22:21:18 ooh, and cream de mani Jun 24 22:21:25 crema* Jun 24 22:23:08 can someone please check app id for interfacelift for me? Jun 24 22:23:11 mani = "cacahuate" in Mexico the same as "mantecado" is ice cream (helado) Jun 24 22:27:42 Jack87: BTW, I do not lead the OpenWRT project - very far from it. Jun 24 22:28:01 Jack87: I'm a minor committer, and did some work on the ixp4xx port, that's all. Jun 24 22:28:23 rwhitby, oh really? i thought we had a conversation about it. i must of mis understood you then Jun 24 22:29:52 it was nearly two years ago Jun 24 22:33:26 com.krischeonline.webos.interfacelift does not work anymore on pre :/ Jun 24 22:34:28 even with dummymaker? Jun 24 22:34:47 Jack87: I led nslu2-linux.org, not openwrt.org Jun 24 22:35:10 I've tried impostah only Jun 24 22:35:14 NuttyBunny_Pre2: it's an Enyo app in the app catalog now Jun 24 22:35:52 rwhitby: ah, no, it won't work then :) Jun 24 22:36:25 is there any place to find the old app somewhere? Jun 24 22:38:12 found it :) Jun 24 22:39:07 PuffTheMagic: In wIRC, if I detach the server card, the main card has the app menu disabled, but all the other cards (server and channels) have it enabled... bug? :) Jun 24 22:47:56 I'm wondering about the possibilities of having a bootloader for the touchpad that would boot honeycomb. Hm. Jun 24 22:48:21 I mean sure the kernel wouldn't be easy, but it's worth a shot, once the source gets here. Jun 24 22:59:15 Hi Jun 24 23:02:00 is is risky compcache increase over 96 Mb in my legacy Pre- ? Jun 24 23:03:26 or it could make it faster? Jun 24 23:03:27 DMeister-webOSIT: Risky as in??? Jun 24 23:03:36 depends whether you have read up on how compcache works, instead of just assuming bigger is better ... Jun 24 23:07:32 :DD yeah... In fact, when i I increased the value from 32 to 96 mb, the device is faster then before... So i'm asking if this may furter improve ;) Jun 24 23:07:40 back Jun 24 23:17:03 rwhitby, roger that Jun 24 23:27:42 if i increase the compcache from 96 mb to 256 mb my legacy pre- goes faster? Jun 24 23:28:53 try it and see Jun 24 23:29:06 no-one else can replicate the usage patterns of your device Jun 24 23:31:14 in your opinion? The wiki page of upgrade to webOS 2.1 says to increase from 10 mb to 32.... Why not more? Jun 24 23:32:11 is not a sort of memory ram, thecompcache? Jun 24 23:34:34 it uses RAM memory yes. Jun 24 23:36:03 in my opinion, I have no idea how you use your device, and you should try it yourself to determine whether it works better for you. Jun 24 23:37:56 ok... That's right xD thanks for help rod ;) Jun 24 23:40:03 DMeister-webOSIT, compcache is compressed caching Jun 24 23:40:08 haha nevermind Jun 24 23:40:40 i was going to tell him the more data he compresses the slower it will be to decompress it so not nessairly making the device go faster however does provide more ram Jun 24 23:41:35 however more ram does make things go faster. lol so its a trade off and like rwhitby said only his usage can determine his need for the ammount of compcache used Jun 24 23:42:13 anyway im out.. if anyone feels generous enough to copy/paste that back to him if he ever comes back Jun 24 23:44:43 is there any way to emulate esc or ctrl keys in xterm? Jun 24 23:45:58 nomad84: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:X#Keyboard_Support :) Jun 24 23:47:17 thanks Jun 24 23:47:41 np ^.^ Jun 24 23:58:41 awesome Jun 24 23:59:10 it works fine with my bluetooth keyboard :) Jun 25 01:14:21 what are the novacom cmd's to get/send files? Jun 25 01:15:16 get and put Jun 25 01:21:52 hmm.. I wonder if I can fully set up git on my device.. Jun 25 02:23:58 http://bit.ly/homebrew-support-fox-business <- wow, just wow. Jun 25 02:26:54 cool Jun 25 02:26:58 wow is right Jun 25 02:27:59 whoa Jun 25 02:28:51 "some phones or tablets would call that jailbreaking but not us. we actually think that's great to do" -- r kerris. brilliant. Jun 25 02:28:57 love that Jun 25 02:29:07 i love that attitude and wish more companies would take it Jun 25 02:38:51 yea yearrr Jun 25 02:39:23 rwhitby ayooo Jun 25 02:39:41 who got the hands-on with the hp tab? Jun 25 02:40:19 WebOS Internals devs have a few. Jun 25 02:41:09 im dying to drop some cash on one eh Jun 25 02:41:27 is there any specs on hardware crypto?? Jun 25 02:45:49 grr i'm gettin anxious mang Jun 25 02:46:02 next friday Jun 25 02:46:07 no. shit. Jun 25 02:46:14 freeze yourself Jun 25 02:46:34 yea man Jun 25 02:46:51 my hp shit doesnt break. Jun 25 02:47:10 oh Jun 25 02:47:20 quality hardware? Jun 25 02:47:26 hells yeah. Jun 25 02:47:42 i have the hybrid tablet/pc Jun 25 02:47:49 i got a hp laptop from work Jun 25 02:47:55 dude using it managed to break the screen completely off Jun 25 02:48:03 thats some other shit right there. Jun 25 02:48:14 how the shit? i dunno Jun 25 02:48:14 my boss told me to pitch it and i was like "well ill just take it if we're throwing it away" Jun 25 02:48:27 $30 of parts off ebay later = perfect laptop Jun 25 02:48:34 nice fix. Jun 25 02:49:28 well.... Jun 25 02:49:29 the veer is definitely solid Jun 25 02:49:43 i messed with it at an AT&T store the other day, since my contract is up Jun 25 02:49:55 it feels almost too small Jun 25 02:50:00 I've played with the touchpad Jun 25 02:50:00 like its wrong that it should be that small Jun 25 02:50:01 great aint it? Jun 25 02:50:03 it's actually kind of nice Jun 25 02:50:08 its the first time i feel i have to follow the phone, not the carrier. Jun 25 02:50:20 Clark008 light,ish? Jun 25 02:50:20 almost dropped it like twice in the first minute i hield it Jun 25 02:50:21 veer will have 3.0 but without the touch to share stuff Jun 25 02:50:24 * halfhalo hearts the veer but has dropped it a few times Jun 25 02:50:30 oil hehe Jun 25 02:50:34 slightly heavy, but solid feel Jun 25 02:50:53 you would totally forget you had it in your pocket and ruin it Jun 25 02:50:54 I have ipad2 so it's throwing my perception off Jun 25 02:50:56 whats it in contrast (anyone know) to the new 10.1 samsung? Jun 25 02:51:10 it's heavier than 10.1 Jun 25 02:51:39 the ipad1 has not let me down, because its programmed like governed-engine Jun 25 02:51:48 My Veer somehow came apart: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rwhitby/5798850007/in/photostream - dunno what happened. Tried to get a warranty replacement, but they wouldn't do it. Jun 25 02:51:53 ...not-fucking-impressed with the cydia hack. Jun 25 02:52:09 ^--- heh Jun 25 02:52:13 tear down ? lol Jun 25 02:52:38 yea irght Jun 25 02:52:44 claaark! share more heh. Jun 25 02:52:52 I like it Jun 25 02:52:53 u drop some coin on it? you going to? Jun 25 02:52:55 interface is smooth Jun 25 02:52:57 rwhitby: lol Jun 25 02:52:57 buttery Jun 25 02:53:00 yeaaa? Jun 25 02:53:07 hmmph Jun 25 02:53:07 I like the card stacks Jun 25 02:53:12 yea right? Jun 25 02:53:13 * halfhalo bets veer will do tts Jun 25 02:53:30 gesture controls takes some getting used coming from android/ios Jun 25 02:53:33 but very natural Jun 25 02:53:55 keyboard wise yeah Jun 25 02:53:57 every single phone i get in my hand i immediately try to back-gesture Jun 25 02:54:07 every time Jun 25 02:54:22 the touch keyboard is decent Jun 25 02:54:22 "i need to go back" Jun 25 02:54:30 oh, rubbing my finger over this plastic does nothing Jun 25 02:54:36 the keyboard accessary feels very solid Jun 25 02:54:40 hehe Jun 25 02:54:55 yeah clark, i saw some hacks/tweaks/patchen already in preware Jun 25 02:55:08 whats the wifi chipset? Jun 25 02:55:16 (can we aircrack-ng? heh) Jun 25 02:56:28 ...whats the Vala_Terminal Jun 25 02:57:21 * oc80z looking around for touchpad specs Jun 25 02:57:32 oil it really friday? Jun 25 02:57:43 first time using webos Jun 25 02:57:46 I really like it Jun 25 02:57:55 it's different from the boring ios/android Jun 25 02:58:04 july 1st for touchpad Jun 25 02:58:08 clark the development is kick ass. Jun 25 02:58:28 ah hell yeah **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jun 25 02:59:57 2011