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Jun 26 03:00:22 <egadgetguy> OK - Thanks NuttyBunny
Jun 26 03:01:03 <egadgetguy> Is the plus getting it soon?
Jun 26 03:01:11 <egadgetguy> ever?
Jun 26 03:02:42 <egadgetguy> information was a little confusing... I have 2.1.0ed two pluses and one minus. If Verizon is gonna give 2.1.0, I want it, I think... But would I have to revert to 1.5.5.1 first???
Jun 26 03:02:51 <egadgetguy> 1.4.5.1...
Jun 26 03:05:33 <scoutcamper> ok, the last thing i heard was no 2.x for non pre2 or above devices
Jun 26 03:06:27 <NuttyBunny> Pre2 is getting 2.1, only Pre 2
Jun 26 03:06:49 <NuttyBunny> If you want it in a Pre Plus, you have to use Meta Doctor
Jun 26 03:06:54 <scoutcamper> http://www.precentral.net/no-major-webos-ota-updates-pre-pre-plus-pixi-pixi-plus
Jun 26 03:10:06 <egadgetguy> I've seen that before... but I read something lately that indicated there might be something coming. I wouldn't mind a swap program... say, no contract update, or free with updated contract...
Jun 26 03:10:32 <summatusmentis> what'd you read?
Jun 26 03:11:46 <egadgetguy> well it was for the pre 2... http://www.precentral.net/webos-2-1-update-finally-lands-verizon-pre-2
Jun 26 03:12:09 <summatusmentis> right, it's supposed to come to the pre2
Jun 26 03:17:00 <egadgetguy> well - anyway. I will never run 1.x on a plus again... and I felt the WI pl deserve a little luv, so I donated a little...
Jun 26 03:18:47 <dwc-> seems like there's either a love it or hate it with 2.x vs 1.x
Jun 26 03:19:08 <dwc-> nobody I hear says "ehh, it's got this and this but I dislike that"
Jun 26 03:19:24 <dwc-> they either swear off 2.x, or they love it and put it on everything
Jun 26 03:23:42 <NuttyBunny> I love it :D
Jun 26 03:23:46 <NuttyBunny> on everything
Jun 26 03:23:53 <NuttyBunny> even on the.. you know ;)
Jun 26 03:24:29 * scoutcamper is like, meh, its nice, but runs like crap on Pre+/- so i dont use it on them
Jun 26 03:24:45 <summatusmentis> it works pretty well if you OC
Jun 26 03:25:00 <scoutcamper> meh
Jun 26 03:25:08 <scoutcamper> im content with 1.4.5.1
Jun 26 03:26:51 <egadgetguy> @scoutcamper, 2.1.0 is too good for me. @dwc, I do miss 5x5 icons, but that's about it.
Jun 26 03:27:20 <Epyon22> so 2.1 removes the abilty to patch the launcher?
Jun 26 03:27:54 <egadgetguy> the icon depth is all new code that so far defies editing... AFAIK
Jun 26 03:29:02 <egadgetguy> There are quite a few other patches that are now available that weren't at first. I don't really miss that as much as I thought I would...
Jun 26 03:29:16 <dwc-> 2.0's launcher is compiled code
Jun 26 03:30:03 <NuttyBunny> scoutcamper: It runs nice on a Plus, everything below that runs like crap
Jun 26 03:31:29 <Epyon22> ugh...3x4 icons sucks but they do have the customizable pages now
Jun 26 03:31:37 <egadgetguy> that means tho that it's faster. I can see the difference. I put it on a - and it was OK, but the plus really works better IMO. Although the 2 is still WAY better
Jun 26 03:33:54 <egadgetguy> I know Epyon22, but I have nearly forgotten it was different once.
Jun 26 03:36:15 <egadgetguy> stacks are OK, but the real difference is everything seems faster and the battery lasts a bit longer, at leasy it seems to.
Jun 26 03:36:48 <egadgetguy> 2.x uses the built in GPU, 1.x does not
Jun 26 03:39:09 <egadgetguy> Anyway, I am waiting on the pre3 or a REALLY good real on a 2 for my other +... It's OK, but the 2 makes the + seem bad... even when the + is overclocked, the 2 kicks it's @$$
Jun 26 03:40:52 <egadgetguy> umm - not always tho...
Jun 26 03:41:10 <egadgetguy> sometimes they seem matched...it's weird
Jun 26 03:44:15 <PuffTheMagic> egadgetguy: what carrier u on?
Jun 26 03:44:28 <egadgetguy> verizon
Jun 26 03:46:17 <PuffTheMagic> egadgetguy: that new vzw data plans suck donkey balls
Jun 26 03:46:59 <egadgetguy> grandfathering means I won't have to worry, at least for now.
Jun 26 03:47:36 <PuffTheMagic> http://www.damnlol.com/pics/637/189db6dbcb0437fcd571f408dc0529ee.gif
Jun 26 03:47:56 <egadgetguy> BTW, my usage has been hovering around 0.3 GB/mo
Jun 26 03:48:52 <PuffTheMagic> http://www.damnlol.com/pics/57/274fecb476fdf60bf5f193ef130b269a.gif
Jun 26 03:49:40 <egadgetguy> and that's a bunch o browsing, some youtube watching, lots of emails, etc... I don't even try to limit myself... and it's still that low
Jun 26 03:50:27 <egadgetguy> PuffTheMagic... What is up with the pics?
Jun 26 03:52:40 <adarshaj> Just posting my question again,  Can I connect my pixi running webOs 1.4.5 with uber kernel to ad-hoc wifi network?
Jun 26 03:52:57 <adarshaj> I don't seem to find any luck with google :(
Jun 26 03:53:00 <dwc-> 2nd one is a cop and a drunk girl in arizona
Jun 26 03:53:04 <dwc-> from about a month ago?
Jun 26 03:53:37 <egadgetguy> adarshaj I don't see why not...
Jun 26 03:54:07 <egadgetguy> uber kernal should not affect connections to wifi AFAIK
Jun 26 03:54:10 <adarshaj> egadgetguy: I don't see adhoc networks on the default wifi app
Jun 26 03:54:26 <dwc-> you have to do it from the terminal
Jun 26 03:55:01 <adarshaj> oh, I tried actually, with iwconfig it used to throw up , set failed on device error
Jun 26 03:55:10 <egadgetguy> right... but UK doesn't make a diff...
Jun 26 03:56:21 <adarshaj> oh, kk.. but thought it might have some patch for it, anyways, is there any page that I can lookup for more details on adhoc for pixi??
Jun 26 03:56:33 <PuffTheMagic> egadgetguy: i cant post pics
Jun 26 03:56:40 <PuffTheMagic> egadgetguy: whats up with the text
Jun 26 03:57:33 <egadgetguy> LOL - IDK... thought you may be trying to make a point visually...
Jun 26 03:57:51 <egadgetguy> If so, I missed it. LOL
Jun 26 03:57:58 <egadgetguy> BTW... http://images.rosi-kessel.org/foxtrot_kernel_panic.gif
Jun 26 03:58:07 <egadgetguy> one o my favs...
Jun 26 03:58:49 <adarshaj> ^LOL!
Jun 26 04:00:41 <dwc-> poor ifruit
Jun 26 04:01:26 <egadgetguy> Linix people will get that comic
Jun 26 04:01:33 <egadgetguy> others may not.
Jun 26 04:02:37 <dwc-> s/linix/unix/
Jun 26 04:02:51 <egadgetguy> Who was it that wanted to know about uberKernal and was affraid to use it because he "never had a kernal on his device before"
Jun 26 04:04:14 <egadgetguy> [sic]
Jun 26 04:04:49 <egadgetguy> yes - any programmer will likely get it.
Jun 26 04:07:48 <egadgetguy> OK - so, I hope I have helped or at least entertained. I am off to bed now... BBL, TTFN, etc.
Jun 26 04:42:39 <PatrickC> grr.. Preware told me it installed Preset Reset and it didn't :S
Jun 26 04:44:49 <PatrickC> wait.. it is installed
Jun 26 04:44:57 <PatrickC> but it doesn't show up in the launcher.......... odd
Jun 26 04:47:07 <PatrickC> deleted the apps dir manually
Jun 26 04:47:29 <dwc-> force a luna rescan? *doesn't know*
Jun 26 04:47:41 <PatrickC> how do I do that?
Jun 26 04:47:59 <dwc-> I dunno, I thought I saw something like that in one of the menus or apps
Jun 26 04:48:02 <dwc-> maybe in preware?
Jun 26 04:48:27 <PatrickC> a luna boot is there..
Jun 26 04:48:33 <PatrickC> I'll check for a luna rescan
Jun 26 04:48:35 <PatrickC> rwhitby?
Jun 26 04:50:26 <Loudergood> it's in preware
Jun 26 04:50:31 <Loudergood> under luna manager
Jun 26 04:50:37 <PatrickC> hahahahaha preware still thinks the apps installed :P
Jun 26 04:50:43 <PatrickC> ok, let me check
Jun 26 04:52:48 <PatrickC> Loudergood: thanks! worked
Jun 26 05:31:06 <dwc-> e17 for webos?
Jun 26 10:46:08 * bhuey feels odd but is grateful for being able to start a job at Palm/HP on Monday
Jun 26 10:46:33 <rwhitby> bhuey: congrats
Jun 26 10:46:44 <bhuey> thans
Jun 26 10:46:48 <bhuey> thanks
Jun 26 10:47:18 <bhuey> being a long time channel lurker and stuff I figured that folks might like to know about it
Jun 26 10:50:02 <rwhitby> bhuey: what role?
Jun 26 10:50:34 <bhuey> performance
Jun 26 10:50:53 <bhuey> which overlaps everything in the system, v8 to kernel
Jun 26 10:51:13 <bhuey> I have no shortage of kernel
Jun 26 10:51:19 <bhuey> most of my career is in Linux kernel
Jun 26 11:13:52 <chris4242> congrats
Jun 26 12:03:46 <chris4242> ok, I think I now at least have a basic synergy account
Jun 26 12:04:05 <chris4242> I followed the tutorial, and corrected/changed it a bit
Jun 26 12:04:25 <chris4242> so now I can store my account information in the keymanager
Jun 26 12:04:49 <chris4242> so next step would be to get a transport and somehow make it send stuff....
Jun 26 12:04:59 <chris4242> does anyone have recommended readings on that?
Jun 26 12:05:13 <chris4242> for messaging there is very little in the doku
Jun 26 13:56:36 <lvshankar> hi. i have early access to webos 3.0 and have installed the sdk and eclipse plugin. but i don't see the webos perspective option in eclipse. i've restarted, yes. am using ubuntu
Jun 26 14:07:28 <RyanCell> my first login...just testing.
Jun 26 14:07:54 <Loudergood> works :)
Jun 26 14:08:43 <RyanCell> anyone know if they made a back gesture for touchpad on the screen?
Jun 26 14:09:21 <phoque> RyanCell, there isn't one
Jun 26 14:09:28 <RyanCell> I know they show switching apps with a full screen swipe too. I forgot to try it at walmart on their demo unit.
Jun 26 14:10:19 <RyanCell> I know they didn't include the gesture area, but was hopeful for a screen gesture that's similar.
Jun 26 14:15:48 <Loudergood> my walmart didn't have a demo unit :(
Jun 26 15:57:33 <chris4242> is NuttyBunny here?
Jun 26 16:00:48 <NuttyBunny> no he isn0t
Jun 26 16:00:55 <NuttyBunny> this is a recording
Jun 26 16:01:04 <NuttyBunny> please leave your message after the tone
Jun 26 16:01:05 <NuttyBunny> beeeeeeeep
Jun 26 16:01:06 <NuttyBunny> ;)
Jun 26 16:01:24 <chris4242> haha so now I can leave a lengthy explanation???
Jun 26 16:01:41 <chris4242> or is there a time limit :-)
Jun 26 16:02:44 <NuttyBunny> go on :)
Jun 26 16:02:55 <NuttyBunny> it will record until you hang up ;)
Jun 26 16:02:58 <chris4242> Ok, I managed to get the account setup working
Jun 26 16:03:13 <chris4242> so I create a new IM account and password is saved
Jun 26 16:03:23 <chris4242> now I try to get the messaging part itself to work
Jun 26 16:03:35 <chris4242> so I have two main problems here  now
Jun 26 16:04:20 <chris4242> 1st: the new account is not shown in the messaging app on the top right, so I can't choose it there, just the emulator SMS thingy is showing
Jun 26 16:05:06 <chris4242> 2nd:I need to hook into the messaging app to actually catch the message and send via the web2sms service
Jun 26 16:05:32 <chris4242> I tried to look into the synergy messaging plugins code to get an idea how it works
Jun 26 16:07:24 <chris4242> so I found the imcommand activity, which seems to handle the sending of the message? is that right?
Jun 26 16:09:08 <NuttyBunny> mmm... ok, first things first...
Jun 26 16:09:30 <NuttyBunny> I'm no expert in the plugins, I've only played with pidgin code :) but..
Jun 26 16:09:46 <NuttyBunny> the messaging app expects the account to be defined as a messaging account
Jun 26 16:10:04 <NuttyBunny> if you enter the accounts app, you see it defined as a messaging account?
Jun 26 16:10:15 <chris4242> yes
Jun 26 16:11:31 <NuttyBunny> then the messaging app should switch from a thread view to the view with conversations/buddies
Jun 26 16:17:05 <chris4242> hmm.. sadly not... it is just the regular messaging
Jun 26 16:18:53 <chris4242> I think sth is incomplete in the account creation
Jun 26 16:19:35 <chris4242> even that it shows as a messaging account, the integration to the app is not coming up
Jun 26 16:20:56 <NuttyBunny> that's right, and you need that. Check the imaccountvalidator sources, both Palm and Greg's, to see if you can find something
Jun 26 16:21:30 <NuttyBunny> In a few days I'll return to work with the plugins.. I just have to finish something before :)
Jun 26 16:23:05 <chris4242> ok... will see what I can find
Jun 26 16:23:16 <chris4242> the validator is working weird for me
Jun 26 18:56:07 <chris4242> Hey Nutty Bunny, still there?
Jun 26 18:57:18 <chris4242> I looked into the validator thingy
Jun 26 18:57:44 <chris4242> as I understand gregs plugins, he uses a binary validator
Jun 26 18:57:57 <chris4242> so question is, what he is doing inside
Jun 26 19:01:16 <chris4242> hmmm... as I understand the sources, buddy list and account is handled in there
Jun 26 19:01:18 <chris4242> :-(
Jun 26 19:22:43 <NuttyBunny> chris4242: In the plugins page, first post, there's a link to the git repository, there's all the work that has been done, including the source files for the validator and transport
Jun 26 19:23:03 <NuttyBunny> And in opensource.palm.com you can find the original ones from Palm
Jun 26 19:56:00 <chris4242> I actually found something funnny
Jun 26 19:56:31 <chris4242> it works (registering the account in the messaging app and make it slectable) when I put the capability subcategory to "SMS"
Jun 26 19:57:06 <chris4242> however now I have the problem, that when I want to send a message, the regular SMS service via phone tries to pick up... and of course fails...
Jun 26 19:57:17 <chris4242> I am now trying to find a way to hook into that
Jun 26 19:57:28 <chris4242> to put my own sending routine
Jun 26 20:09:12 <PatrickC> geo-restrictions gone?!
Jun 26 20:09:53 <Popple3> PatrickC: I wish :(
Jun 26 20:10:17 <PatrickC> on the Veer they are
Jun 26 20:10:18 <PatrickC> http://m.precentral.net/app-catalog-geo-restrictions-thing-past
Jun 26 20:10:51 <Popple3> one person != general restriction lifting. If more people say "Yeah, I'm getting this too" then I'll believe it
Jun 26 20:11:56 <PatrickC> eh, it might be true though..
Jun 26 20:12:02 <Popple3> I definitely don't have any access on my Pre 2 still, and if it was a server-side change, surely the same would've happened to everyone
Jun 26 20:12:05 <PatrickC> rwhitby: do you have a veer yet?
Jun 26 20:12:20 <Popple3> PatrickC: Don't you remember, he bricked it :P (then got a new one)
Jun 26 20:12:39 <PatrickC> I thought he got a new one, but I couldn't remember haha
Jun 26 20:13:13 <Popple3> I think he got a new one anyway
Jun 26 20:13:56 <PatrickC> ohwell.. I wonder if his is still locked...
Jun 26 20:14:55 <PatrickC> app cat locked*
Jun 26 20:18:03 <PatrickC> bbl
Jun 26 22:20:31 <chris4242> hmm... apparently I now created a service to restart the telephony app :-D
Jun 26 22:23:20 <chris4242> i really need more documentation... :-S
Jun 26 22:43:35 <Loudergood> anyone with an older phone doctor to 2.1 check if the catalog is fixed now? seems like it has been with my pre2
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