**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jun 28 02:59:58 2011
Jun 28 03:25:42 <doug_> I had to do an erase and reset. Now preware does not recognize the patches  have installed
Jun 28 03:46:13 <rwhitby> doug_: whenever you erase and reset, you should do a doctor too
Jun 28 03:46:38 <rwhitby> otherwise the effect of the patches is still there, but the record of installation of the patches is not.
Jun 28 03:47:02 <doug_> thanks. Never did a doctor. Will read up on it.
Jun 28 03:47:39 <rwhitby> alternatively, if you reinstall the patches from your Preware saved packages list, they should all realise that they have already been applied and silently install
Jun 28 03:54:49 <doug_> saved package list only shows 6 of the patches. I have many more installed
Jun 28 04:03:28 <rwhitby> did you update your saved packages list before you erased?
Jun 28 04:07:01 <doug_> no. Palm support had me delete preware firsy then erase. Thx to save/restoe much of my needed data was saved but they didn't warn me what the erase would do.
Jun 28 05:47:45 <pcwiz84> yay! it works!
Jun 28 05:48:16 <pcwiz84> now if only it continued to work AFTER a reboot. I wonder
Jun 28 05:55:01 <PatrickC_School> has the 2.1 VZW doctor come out yet?
Jun 28 06:17:46 <dwc-> check the webpage?
Jun 28 06:18:30 <Patrick_C> I was wondering cause I made the updated sprint meta-2.1 doctor and it downloaded the 2.0.1 vzw pre2 doctor
Jun 28 14:22:05 <lexi> how do I put my phone in developer mode
Jun 28 14:24:18 * uNiXpSyChO troll
Jun 28 14:25:06 <phoque> lexi: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Getting_started#Enabling_Developer_Mode
Jun 28 14:36:06 <cryptk> lol uNiXpSyChO
Jun 28 15:00:46 <PatrickC_Away> unixpsycho: haha
Jun 28 15:06:32 <ka6sox-home> don't feed the trolls
Jun 28 16:49:29 <PatrickC> save/restore is taking forever to load :/
Jun 28 17:56:46 <chris4242> good day
Jun 28 17:57:40 <SimpsonTP> hi all
Jun 28 17:57:50 <SimpsonTP> is top available on the pre ?
Jun 28 17:58:31 <ka6sox-home> yes
Jun 28 18:01:11 <SimpsonTP> WebAppMgr is the main process running the apps ?
Jun 28 18:01:51 <ka6sox-home> I might be wrong but I thought it was LunaSysMgr...but I am probably wrong.
Jun 28 18:02:36 <SimpsonTP> I'm facing unusable slow performance on my pre+ now an then
Jun 28 18:03:02 <SimpsonTP> at that time WebAppMgr has like 80% processor time
Jun 28 19:35:35 <zandi> damn. isn't there some way i can pull a file from phone to pc with novacom?
Jun 28 19:35:47 <zandi> or am i stuck with putting it on the jump drive?
Jun 28 19:36:42 <Loudergood> ?
Jun 28 19:37:04 <zandi> there's a file on my pre- i want on my PC.
Jun 28 19:37:25 <zandi> can i move that over with novacom, or do i have to switch modes so i can access the filesystem like a jump drive?
Jun 28 19:37:39 <Loudergood> you should be able to use novacom
Jun 28 19:37:51 <Loudergood> there's even a gui called novabrowser in the sdk
Jun 28 19:37:57 <zandi> really?
Jun 28 19:38:36 <Loudergood> excuse me, device browser
Jun 28 19:38:42 <Loudergood> DeviceBrowser.jar
Jun 28 19:39:27 <Loudergood> and it's in the PDK
Jun 28 19:39:30 <Loudergood> area
Jun 28 19:39:42 <zandi> ah, found it
Jun 28 19:39:43 <zandi> thanks
Jun 28 20:16:48 <dtzWill> http://theoatmeal.com/comics/smartphone
Jun 28 20:16:59 <dtzWill> lolol particularly http://s3.amazonaws.com/theoatmeal-img/comics/smartphone/10.png
Jun 28 21:28:40 <Error454> Has anyone with touchpad access been able to capture uname output?
Jun 28 21:31:16 <rwhitby> Yes.
Jun 28 21:31:32 <Error454> rwhitby: Do you know the kernel version?
Jun 28 21:31:38 <rwhitby> I do.
Jun 28 21:32:03 <Error454> rwhitby: Will you share it?
Jun 28 21:32:10 <rwhitby> I cannot.
Jun 28 21:32:22 <Error454> rwhitby: Can you post it in the early access forums?
Jun 28 21:32:50 <rwhitby> I cannot.
Jun 28 21:33:41 <rwhitby> (kernel version depends on what firmware is running)
Jun 28 21:34:56 <Error454> rwhitby: What dictates the firmware? Wireless vs 3G?
Jun 28 21:36:46 <rwhitby> Neither of those.
Jun 28 21:37:39 <SimpsonTP> are there vendors out there who ship the touchpad outside their operating country ? ( I'm in .nl and can't buy the touchpad here )
Jun 28 21:38:23 <rwhitby> SimpsonTP: I think you should look harder.  I know of at least one vendor in .nl who will be selling TouchPads
Jun 28 21:38:53 <SimpsonTP> oh ?
Jun 28 21:39:07 <Error454> I guess I'll find out when my touchpad arrives, I was eager to start digging through the appropriate kernel.org tree to see which USB modules are available.
Jun 28 21:40:51 <SimpsonTP> rwhitby, any hint ? since on the dutch forums I only saw rants about no plans to ship to holland
Jun 28 21:44:51 <SimpsonTP> rwhitby, you mean this expansys group, so far they only imported stuff or sold refurbished
Jun 28 21:44:58 <rwhitby> Error454: you can be sure that a lot of information will become available on July 1
Jun 28 21:46:04 <Error454> Any idea what the average historical time has been between the open source postings and official product release?
Jun 28 21:46:35 <rwhitby> it's usually a couple of weeks to a month after it's requested after doctor is available.
Jun 28 21:47:46 <Error454> I'm just a little overly excited, I will try to compose myself for the next month.
Jun 28 21:50:57 <rwhitby> Error454: previous webOS devices have including the Config file in the filesystem, which would have that info in it.
Jun 28 21:54:48 <Error454> rwhitby: Sure, once I have novaterm access I'll have plenty of details
Jun 28 22:04:36 <PatrickC> if I unzip a doctor, replace the files in /media/internal with the ones off of my old /media/internal will the doctor place the files??
Jun 28 22:12:30 <zandi> wait, you mean if you modify the rootfs tarball?
Jun 28 22:13:06 <zandi> either way, i'm pretty sure /media/internal is mounted to and some other stuff is done to it, so just that won't work
Jun 28 22:13:36 <zandi> might wanna try putting the files in a 'safe' folder, then throw a script in /etc/init.d/rc2.d (or whatever) to cp them over
Jun 28 22:16:43 <rwhitby> PatrickC: no
Jun 28 22:17:14 <PatrickC> rwhitby: how does the meta-doctor backup/restore it?
Jun 28 22:17:31 <rwhitby> magic
Jun 28 22:17:36 <PatrickC> lol
Jun 28 22:17:52 <rwhitby> (decompile the java to find out)
Jun 28 22:18:06 <PatrickC> unzip it?
Jun 28 22:18:17 <chpwn> no, decompile
Jun 28 22:18:22 <chpwn> :)
Jun 28 22:18:35 <rwhitby> depends how advanced your unzip client is ;)
Jun 28 22:18:44 <PatrickC> 7zip :)
Jun 28 22:18:49 <rwhitby> no
Jun 28 22:19:02 <PatrickC> hrmm.. what client would do it?
Jun 28 22:19:11 <Error454> javac
Jun 28 22:19:34 <summatusmentis> PatrickC: advanced unzip client was a joke
Jun 28 22:19:34 <rwhitby> one you wrote that included jad or jode
Jun 28 22:20:31 <chpwn> hm, i wonder if IDA supports java.
Jun 28 22:20:59 <chpwn> yep, cool: "Java Virtual Machine (comes with source code)"
Jun 28 22:24:57 * rwhitby uses jd-gui
Jun 28 22:25:14 <rwhitby> meta-doctor uses jad
Jun 28 22:32:14 <chris4242> hi there
Jun 28 22:32:37 <chris4242> anyone here with experience with the axaj calls?
Jun 28 22:51:32 <shep1234> Hi there, just making myself known to try the alpha linphone. Never used IRC before o forgive any faux paus. I have a Pre2 and have used SIP clients on iPhone, Android & Symbian
Jun 28 23:06:50 <shep1234> HEOOLO
Jun 28 23:07:08 <shep1234> HELP
Jun 28 23:07:13 <shep1234> @HELP
Jun 28 23:11:16 <PatrickC> shep1234: be patient.. not many people are active..
Jun 28 23:17:12 * uNiXpSyChO another troll
Jun 28 23:20:47 <PatrickC> hahahaha
Jun 28 23:21:01 <PatrickC> <PatrickC> shep1234: be patient.. not many people are active..
Jun 28 23:42:41 <rwhitby> shep1234: see /msg and report in PreCentral thread
Jun 28 23:59:36 <PatrickC> ~kick oil
Jun 28 23:59:37 * infobot kicks oil
Jun 29 00:53:08 <Lumiere> so I just got an email from HP
Jun 29 00:53:34 <Lumiere> $50 mail in rebate for Pre-/+ and Pixi-/+ Owners (with s/n) on Touchpad
Jun 29 00:57:06 <Popple3> Lumiere: Yup, it's been posted everywhere already :P
Jun 29 00:57:36 <Popple3> sucks for those who ordered 16GBs and would gladly pay $50 more for 32GB
Jun 29 01:03:18 <Lumiere> yay for slow email providers
Jun 29 02:27:22 <bnceo> So I have to buy it in July or rebate has to be sent out in July?
Jun 29 02:35:06 <summatusmentis> presumably the rebate has to be sent in in July
Jun 29 02:40:51 <dwc-> oh, it's only good on the 32gb?
Jun 29 02:42:50 <rwhitby> ye
Jun 29 02:42:51 <rwhitby> p
Jun 29 02:54:59 <Carioca_fl> buenas noches, everyone! How's it going?
Jun 29 02:55:18 <Carioca_fl> http://forums.precentral.net/hp-touchpad/285815-how-do-you-install-preware-walmart-display-touchpad.html
Jun 29 02:55:41 <Carioca_fl> thread asking how to install preware on TouchPad demo display
Jun 29 02:56:01 <Carioca_fl> if anyone here can lend a hand, would be much appreciated!
Jun 29 02:56:28 <Carioca_fl> an issue I see is hooking up a notebook with the TouchPad. I don't suppose there's anyway to install Preware via web?
Jun 29 02:56:33 <PatrickC> put it in dev mode -» install preware?
Jun 29 02:56:51 <PatrickC> I don't believe so.. rwhitby?
Jun 29 02:58:08 <Carioca_fl> does the konami code still apply for the TP as it did for the Pre?
Jun 29 02:58:40 <PatrickC> yes
Jun 29 02:59:41 <summatusmentis> there's no way to install preware without another machine
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