**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jul 04 02:59:57 2011
Jul 04 03:49:05 <HungLoose> how to hard reset locked up touchpad?
Jul 04 04:08:41 <rwhitby> hold power and home for 30 seconds
Jul 04 05:01:39 <globex_> What's the URL to the ipkg of the Terminal app. I want to install it on my TP
Jul 04 05:02:04 <PatrickC> it should be in preware
Jul 04 05:02:05 <ka6sox-away> globex_, broken...working on a fix or replacement
Jul 04 05:02:23 <ka6sox-away> PatrickC, not valid for OS versions <1.4.5
Jul 04 05:02:33 <globex_> I see. What's broken?
Jul 04 05:02:34 <ka6sox-away> s/</>
Jul 04 05:02:44 <PatrickC> ka6sox-away: ok. I don't have a touchpad.
Jul 04 05:02:53 <PatrickC> so I didn't know. thanks for the help :)
Jul 04 05:03:29 <PatrickC> ka6sox-away: PM?
Jul 04 06:06:58 <dwc-> dtzWill: guess what bug hit me today? :p
Jul 04 06:39:19 <chpwn> Is it safe to delete Preware apps by tapping the X in the Launcher?
Jul 04 06:47:34 <rwhitby> it *should* be
Jul 04 06:48:02 <rwhitby> we install a pmPreRemove.script file, which is supposed to be run by webOS before the app is deleted.
Jul 04 07:24:19 <eZo> Hello everyone. Does anyone have a fix for the pre time keeping proble? It started a few days ago, when the phone is in sleep, the time stands still. I tried manual setting with no luck, installed clocksync and its not working.
Jul 04 07:32:22 <dwc-> clocksync or a sim keeps time ok for me
Jul 04 07:37:25 <eZo> what version of clocksym are you using, i have 1.0 and it refreshes every 2 hours, but it doesent. what is a sim?
Jul 04 07:55:33 <dwc-> clocksync is 1.3.0
Jul 04 08:11:58 <eZo> can you somehow give me the link to the ipk file, i dont have app catalog.
Jul 04 08:14:35 <dwc-> http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=de.content754.clocksync
Jul 04 08:15:04 <rwhitby> Why don't you have app catalog?
Jul 04 08:15:41 <dwc-> and, a SIM is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subscriber_Identity_Module
Jul 04 08:17:55 <eZo> well... my first problem was that the phon did not support my currier (vip Srbija),so i bypassed the login process, then i fix it by editing the currier database.
Jul 04 08:18:33 <eZo> i tried to apply the patch to get show first time use app, but its not working.
Jul 04 08:18:49 <rwhitby> Install Preware, then use Impostah.
Jul 04 08:18:56 <eZo> dwc - i cant download from the link, im not in the us...
Jul 04 08:19:18 <dwc-> well, I can't give you a link to the ipk... that's the best I can do
Jul 04 08:19:38 <eZo> rwhitby - i have preeware, will try Impostah now...
Jul 04 08:20:06 <rwhitby> make sure you read the PreCentral threads first
Jul 04 08:22:13 <eZo> my pre is 1.4.5 so i guess impostah is out...
Jul 04 08:23:29 <eZo> dwc- i get the a sim thing, i have one.
Jul 04 08:30:56 <rwhitby> eZo: you can update to 2.1.0
Jul 04 08:33:38 <eZo> i was looking for an update to 2.0 but had no luck, is it worth it, is response time good? i couldnt find the doctor files for my unlocked pre.
Jul 04 08:37:53 <rwhitby> look on webos-internals.org
Jul 04 08:38:08 <rwhitby> (for the upgrade procedure)
Jul 04 08:38:20 <rwhitby> you can find user reports on the responsiveness in the forums
Jul 04 08:40:35 <eZo> does upgrading resolve the time keeping problem? im very happy with 1.4.5
Jul 04 08:41:17 <rwhitby> it does not
Jul 04 08:41:36 <rwhitby> there is an ntp sync program in Preware for 1.4.5
Jul 04 08:42:01 <eZo> i found clocksync 1.3.0, i hope this works...
Jul 04 08:53:30 <eZo> found the ntp sync prog in preware and installed it... does this have a ui, becouse it syncs my clock, but i only see the loading card while the clock is glowing in it...
Jul 04 09:01:39 <Flashpass> does anyone know where I should look in the api/docs if I'd like to run a bit of code once a day?
Jul 04 13:52:01 <rrix> It looks like the postinst on the new version of the optware bootstrap is derped. I can't install from a fresh setup, optware fails trying to umount /opt, then trying to stat /var/opt/* (because it doesn't exist) then bails out.
Jul 04 13:52:16 <rrix> as a result, nothing in optware category of preware is installable :<
Jul 04 14:08:04 <PatrickC> can you unzip a .7z file on webos?
Jul 04 14:08:16 <PatrickC> using the unzip cmd or something similar?
Jul 04 14:15:22 <rrix> I think that manually installing 1.5.2 and then updating the bootstrap in preware worked
Jul 04 14:15:26 <rrix> let's see what implodes
Jul 04 14:16:32 <PatrickC> for the "Auto-install preware" thing in the beta-doctor?
Jul 04 14:16:55 <rrix> No, just installing optware from Preware
Jul 04 14:18:27 <PatrickC> ah
Jul 04 14:18:35 <PatrickC> instead of using ipkg-opt install ?
Jul 04 14:27:19 <rrix> i'm trying to install ipkg-opt :)
Jul 04 14:27:31 <PatrickC> ah :)
Jul 04 14:28:22 <rrix> rwhitby: If you have the chance today, you should take a look at installing optware bootsrap 1.6.0 on a pre2 without an existing optware install
Jul 04 14:28:29 <rrix> (just so you get the nickping)
Jul 04 14:47:52 <rrix> woot, I broke my pre totally
Jul 04 14:47:59 <rrix> I was meaning to reflash it anyways
Jul 04 14:48:09 * rrix sighs and reboots to windows
Jul 04 14:52:03 <PatrickC> that stinks
Jul 04 14:52:33 <NuttyBunny> reboot to windows? why??!
Jul 04 15:13:30 <rrix> NuttyBunny: It's easier than trying to debug novacom's incompatibility with Fedora's libusb, lol
Jul 04 15:17:54 <NuttyBunny> rrix: but you have to do it only once, and the prize you get is not needing to go into windows whenever you want to access your phone :)
Jul 04 15:18:12 <rrix> I ssh in to my phone when I need to access it from linux ;)
Jul 04 15:18:23 <rrix> Im just in winders to install preware, these days
Jul 04 15:18:45 <rrix> but I should eventually fix that, especially if I ever get my cross compile stuff set up >.<
Jul 04 15:20:11 <NuttyBunny> mm... yeah, the only way to install preware is via usb :(
Jul 04 15:20:40 <rrix> jup
Jul 04 15:21:13 <rrix> I don't think my pre likes me much
Jul 04 15:21:24 <rrix> I just redoctored it, and the first thing Luna does is crash
Jul 04 15:21:30 <rrix> I couldn't even enable dev mode
Jul 04 15:23:08 <NuttyBunny> that doesn't sound good at all
Jul 04 15:23:37 <rrix> I'm kinda used to it by now, for some reason
Jul 04 15:24:07 <rrix> Maybe because I run trunk builds of everything on my laptop and they do the same thing :P
Jul 04 15:24:46 <NuttyBunny> hehehe.. but the phone should be quite stable... I place my bet (unfortunately) on your hardware
Jul 04 15:25:04 * rrix nods
Jul 04 15:25:05 <rrix> I would be unsurprised
Jul 04 15:25:07 <dwc-> luna? crash? never!
Jul 04 15:25:20 <rrix> friend with sprint pre2 has no issues
Jul 04 15:25:40 <NuttyBunny> dwc-: Luna crash, on first boot after Doctor... :S
Jul 04 15:27:53 <dwc-> if it's repeatably reproducible then that sounds like a hardware problem
Jul 04 15:28:04 <dwc-> if it's luna just deciding to crash randomly because it feels like it, that's sadly kinda normal :(
Jul 04 15:28:41 <rrix> The only thing repeatedly reproduceable is Luna deciding to crash randomly ;)
Jul 04 15:30:04 * rrix goes to break fast while his applications redownload
Jul 04 17:47:06 <rlovelett> node-waf
Jul 04 17:47:45 <rlovelett> Has anyone tried (or succeeded in installing node-waf on the emulator or device?
Jul 04 18:49:48 <RavenIII> Nice!
Jul 04 18:49:52 <RavenIII> there's a channel for this
Jul 04 18:52:55 <cryptk> indeed
Jul 04 18:54:28 <cryptk> your first time in here RavenIII ?
Jul 04 18:54:51 <RavenIII> cryptk: yeah...thinking about buying a Pre Plus from CL...and activating it on Sprint
Jul 04 18:55:00 <RavenIII> I got bored of my Evo
Jul 04 18:56:22 <cryptk> you will love the OS
Jul 04 18:56:38 <cryptk> the hardware quality on the original phones is a little low (definitely lower than your EVO was)
Jul 04 18:56:57 <cryptk> but the new tablet and the Pre2 is much better
Jul 04 18:57:00 <RavenIII> I hope so...I'm just trying to find out the MEID addressing...etc.
Jul 04 18:57:04 <cryptk> but hacking on WebOS is a dream
Jul 04 18:57:18 <RavenIII> It might be a pain to activate the Pre Plus on sprint...
Jul 04 18:57:44 <cryptk> nah, it isn't that hard
Jul 04 18:57:49 <cryptk> we have instructions on our wiki
Jul 04 18:58:06 <RavenIII> Yeah but it requires 2 pres...no?
Jul 04 18:58:10 <cryptk> you basically just put the sprint comms board in the Pre+ and then use meta-doctor to make a customized version of the OS
Jul 04 18:58:20 <RavenIII> Yeah.
Jul 04 18:58:31 <cryptk> then once you get the Pre+ working on spring on WebOS 1.4.5 then you use the meta-doc again to update it to 2.X
Jul 04 18:59:13 <cryptk> welcome to WebOS land, I have personally hacked on iPhones and Droids, there is a reason I am here
Jul 04 18:59:23 <RavenIII> Haha, fair enough
Jul 04 19:05:40 <bnceo> RavenIII: get a Sprint commboard from a broken Pre minus and toss it into a Pre Plus (verizon)
Jul 04 19:05:53 <bnceo> then meta doctor and put 2.1 on there along with some COing
Jul 04 19:05:55 <bnceo> OCing*
Jul 04 19:12:01 <mpingu> Hey
Jul 04 20:58:08 <krushia_> so... is there a way to go back to optware bootstrap 1.0.0? like an ipkg url?
Jul 04 21:14:47 <dwc-> http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/optware/all/
Jul 04 21:19:54 <ownatsch_> hello, does someone happen to have a webos doctor .jar for O2 germany VEER?
Jul 04 21:22:58 <ownatsch_> my phone is listed in my webos profile details but when i click get webos doctor i get that my Serial number is not valid - since I bought the phone on saturday in a O2 shop this is somehow unexpected behaviour
Jul 04 21:23:51 <bpadalino> oh well that is interesting
Jul 04 21:24:10 <NuttyBunny> ownatsch_: Perhaps the doctors are not online yet
Jul 04 21:25:25 <ownatsch_> that's a possiblility ... on webos-internals I can find the download link for the doctor for at&ts Veer ...
Jul 04 21:26:01 <ownatsch_> and palm.com/rom guides me when clicking on the veer towards my webos profile where i get the above error
Jul 04 21:26:41 <NuttyBunny> you may ask @webosdev on Twitter, or chuqui here, or in #webos, but I don't see him atm
Jul 04 21:27:27 <bpadalino> how long has the veer been available on o2 ?
Jul 04 21:27:38 <ownatsch_> well since friday :)
Jul 04 21:27:43 <bpadalino> oh, heh
Jul 04 21:28:45 <ownatsch_> so i guess the question at the moment is -  wait for the doctor or take it to the shop ?
Jul 04 21:30:10 <ownatsch_> c'ause the device is irresponsive since last reboot
Jul 04 21:30:11 <NuttyBunny> what's it doing?
Jul 04 21:30:26 <ownatsch_> i can ping it via wlan but thats more or less all
Jul 04 21:30:50 <NuttyBunny> aah... screen does not respond? does it at least turn on when you open the keyboard slider?
Jul 04 21:31:27 <ownatsch_> nope ... the keys glowed for a little while but they stopped now ... :(
Jul 04 21:31:42 <ownatsch_> and it's not responding to the power button
Jul 04 21:31:59 <NuttyBunny> I'd take it to the store, they might as well change it
Jul 04 21:32:12 <ownatsch_> when I attach it via usb i get the following in dmesg : ... well the basic problem is ... after apparently messing around with the wrong apps that the screen remains dark after reboot ... wlan apparently works - ca'se
Jul 04 21:32:28 <ownatsch_> sorry: scsi 19:0:0:0: Direct-Access     HP       webOS-device     0000 PQ: 0 ANSI: 2
Jul 04 21:33:03 <ownatsch_> sd 19:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg7 type 0
Jul 04 21:33:10 <ownatsch_> sd 19:0:0:0: [sdf] Attached SCSI removable disk
Jul 04 21:33:14 <NuttyBunny> if you press square+sym+U while connected, do you get access to the usb partition?
Jul 04 21:33:48 <NuttyBunny> no, better yet.
Jul 04 21:34:18 <NuttyBunny> Do you have developer mode enabled?
Jul 04 21:35:04 <ownatsch_> i'guess not ... as far as i remember i disabled it some time befor I rebooted the device
Jul 04 21:37:08 <NuttyBunny> ah, well, try:  square+sym+R  to reboot it.  If that doesn't work, try pressing the power button and flick the silence switch 3 or 4 times.  It should reboot with whichever of the two
Jul 04 21:37:14 <NuttyBunny> *any
Jul 04 21:42:03 <ownatsch_> it seems that my veer does unfortunately not want to reboot -
Jul 04 21:42:43 <ownatsch_> but many thanks for your advice so far ...
Jul 04 21:43:03 <NuttyBunny> sure, np, too bad it didn't work :(
Jul 04 21:44:25 <ownatsch_> i'm just curious on how long it took on at&t for the doctor to get online
Jul 04 21:45:42 <ownatsch_> but i think the fastest way to get to a working veer again might be to go to the shop and try my luck on getting it replaced
Jul 04 22:28:28 <rwhitby> rrix: ping
Jul 05 00:58:36 <rwhitby> rrix: optware bootstrap install just worked fine for me on virgin Pre 2.
Jul 05 01:35:15 <NuttyBunny> rwhitby: I think something happened to the optware bootstrap when I updated it this morning, I could no longer search or install apps
Jul 05 01:35:37 <rrix> rwhitby: It worked just fine for me after I redoctored, I'm not sure what the deal was.
Jul 05 01:41:48 <rwhitby> well, I can't reproduce any problems, so please let me know if you can reproduce something.
Jul 05 01:42:51 <rwhitby> I tested virgin install, migration from previous version, and upgrade of current version. all worked on phone and touchpad for me.
Jul 05 01:51:01 <globex> Any updates at all on Terminal for TouchPad?
Jul 05 02:12:09 <sethron> i rencently updated to openssh 5.3.1-9, openssh sftp server 5.3.1-4, and optware bootstrap 1.6.0. attempts to connect with filezilla with pagent+key result in connection timing out. running Sprint Pre with F102A 1.4.5-182. do have have to recreate my keys?
Jul 05 02:19:46 <rwhitby> keys should be retained
Jul 05 02:20:19 <rwhitby> sethron: ah, I think you may be hitting the webOS 1.4.5 cryptofs bug.
Jul 05 02:20:45 <rwhitby> sethron: Uninstall all the optware packages.  reboot.  Reinstall the packages.  the reboot is important.
Jul 05 02:21:12 <rwhitby> there's a bug in 1.4.5 where updates to files that are open can clobber the file.
Jul 05 02:24:51 <sethron> ok'll i'll uninstall all optware packages, i have Lighty, SFTP Server, and dependencies. reboot, then reinstall. you say my keys ought to be okay?
Jul 05 02:33:21 <cxreg> cat-xeger: i didnt see you in here before, you a pre owner?
Jul 05 02:34:35 <rwhitby> sethron: yes, we intentionally retain keys
Jul 05 02:34:55 <rwhitby> sethron: there should be an update to lighty later this week too
Jul 05 02:35:27 <tmandry> does anyone know if HP has announced any APIs (including/preferably native ones) that support real streaming audio recording (NOT MediaCapture)? PM me if it's EAP
Jul 05 02:35:40 <cxreg> rwhitby: i thought i saw something on patches.wi.o that let you peek inside the package, but not seeing that now, did i imagine such a thing?
Jul 05 02:37:46 <rwhitby> peek inside which package?
Jul 05 02:38:10 <cxreg> like at the patch contents
Jul 05 02:38:13 <rwhitby> tmandry: there is no EAP active at the moment. 3.0 SDK is public
Jul 05 02:38:19 <cxreg> nm i'm just browsing http://ipkg.preware.org now
Jul 05 02:38:27 <rwhitby> cxreg: gitorious.org/webos-internals/modifications.git
Jul 05 02:39:57 <tmandry> rwhitby: k, I wasn't sure if there was anything that was previously discussed in EAP forums that could still be under NDA. and searching the forums is pretty unhelpful.
Jul 05 02:42:11 <cxreg> rwhitby: wow, that's fantastic, thanks!
Jul 05 02:42:24 <cxreg> rwhitby: does each submission make a new commit automatically?
Jul 05 02:42:45 <cxreg> btw, dont know if gitorious make this easy or possible, but it seems that repo is badly in need of a repack
Jul 05 02:44:18 <sethron> rwhitby: much obliged, thanks
Jul 05 02:47:50 <cxreg> oh man, blocker works by spamming /etc/hosts?
Jul 05 02:48:02 <cxreg> that seems like a performance issue to me
Jul 05 02:52:40 <rwhitby> cxreg: got a better solution?
Jul 05 02:56:24 <cxreg> rwhitby: maybe nscd would help if there's no way of hooking the browser itself?
Jul 05 02:56:30 <cxreg> not sure
Jul 05 02:56:57 <cxreg> ive seen nscd become a memory hog though
Jul 05 02:57:28 <cxreg> would be nice if there was something better than O(n) though :(
Jul 05 02:57:45 <rwhitby> agreed
Jul 05 02:58:17 <cxreg> hrm
Jul 05 02:58:28 <cxreg> does the resolver have a nsswitch on webos?
Jul 05 02:58:45 <cxreg> ah ha, it does
Jul 05 02:58:54 <cxreg> hosts:          files mdns dns
Jul 05 02:59:28 <rwhitby> what's your idea?
Jul 05 02:59:53 <cxreg> i've never used the 'db' source for hosts but it could work
Jul 05 02:59:57 <cxreg> and would be faster if so
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