**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jul 08 02:59:58 2011 Jul 08 03:00:52 are you supposed to edit a makefile?...or rather...should...you edit a makefile for meta doctor Jul 08 03:01:53 rwhitby: thank you btw... Jul 08 03:02:55 RavenIII: depends what you want to do. Most things can be specified on the command line. Jul 08 03:03:19 gotcha...I'm not THAT good with the cmd Jul 08 03:03:43 you'll need to learn if you want to use meta-doctor Jul 08 03:04:34 That came out wrong...I'm not a total newbie...but I'm not as advanced as any of you guys... Jul 08 03:05:19 Damn it man...this thing isn't charging... Jul 08 03:23:31 Do I want to change my partitions? Jul 08 03:23:46 Var Swap and....ext3? Jul 08 03:25:24 I say max them out to 64GB each. Jul 08 03:26:01 ok Jul 08 03:27:26 wait, what are you maxing out? Jul 08 03:28:03 the var, swap, and ext3fs Jul 08 03:28:06 in the make file Jul 08 03:28:11 I put them to 64GB Jul 08 03:29:03 oh, I don't know that much about the meta-doctor makefile, that number just surprised me, which is why I ask Jul 08 03:29:28 Hey, if rwhitby says 64GB...64GB it is... Jul 08 03:29:48 right, I agree Jul 08 03:30:25 is there any way to access my pre from recovery mode?? Jul 08 03:31:03 RavenIII: you have a device with 256GB of flash I presume? Jul 08 03:31:19 JetUni: yes, using novacom. Jul 08 03:31:20 rwhitby: I'm kidding... Jul 08 03:31:32 * rwhitby is working on http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/OmaDm Jul 08 03:31:51 what's the syntax?? Jul 08 03:32:17 i tried reading the wiki about novaterm, but that didn't help Jul 08 03:32:25 I'm on Linux Jul 08 03:34:00 JetUni: in recovery mode you are talking directly to bootie Jul 08 03:35:48 rwhitby: why are you looking into OmaDm? curiosity? or do you have a plan? Jul 08 03:36:55 So how do I use bootie? And what would be the syntax to list my file system? Jul 08 03:37:18 JetUni: read the 'backup' target in the meta-doctor Makefile Jul 08 03:38:22 summatusmentis: the pursuit of basic knowledge never needs an explanation Jul 08 03:39:21 rwhitby: yeah it does. preferably why riding a motorcycle, putting on sunglasses, and saying "why not" Jul 08 03:40:27 rwhitby: heh, fair enough Jul 08 03:40:36 that should be my tagline in grad school Jul 08 03:40:43 or something Jul 08 03:40:59 my tagline is "how hard could it be?" Jul 08 03:41:36 A: Very Very Jul 08 03:41:47 I tried that one in HS, it ended in me explaining to my english teacher why I didn't have the paper we'd been working on for weeks because I was tinkering with partitioning my HD, and lost all my data Jul 08 03:43:11 halfhalo: if you watch top gear extremely hard Jul 08 03:43:27 * halfhalo may be watching top gear right now Jul 08 03:44:16 nice Jul 08 03:44:39 halfhalo: 17x2? Jul 08 03:46:12 * halfhalo notes TG is way off topic. (but no) Jul 08 03:46:43 rwhitby: so how do I list the filesystem? Jul 08 03:47:05 cat /proc/filesystems Jul 08 03:48:15 I checked the Makefile for 'backup' and it didn't really help me...I'm not the best at this stuff... Jul 08 03:50:30 JetUni, there's a thing you can do with bootie called memboot, but the basic stuff you would use that for like backing up your media partition is already scripted in metadoc Jul 08 03:50:36 JetUni: what did you learn from the 'backup' target? Jul 08 04:03:53 does anybody else w/ a pre2 find that theirs reboots a lot? Jul 08 04:04:13 (we're talking easily a half-dozen or more times a day, all on its lonesome) Jul 08 04:05:14 nope Jul 08 04:05:25 more like weeks between reboots Jul 08 04:05:44 Hm. Jul 08 04:05:56 well pretty much i did a search of 'backup' and found a bunch of commands that I sort of recognized, but none that looked like a list command Jul 08 04:06:11 It's driving me batty -- I can't even use it as an alarm clock, because there's no guarantee that it'll keep sane long enough Jul 08 04:08:37 cat-xeger, if you've already tried doctoring the next question is if it's still under warranty Jul 08 04:09:51 I haven't tried doctoring it yet ... originally thought iw was a battery problem Jul 08 04:15:54 rwhitby: so do you think you could just type out the syntax to display the file system? Jul 08 04:18:57 JetUni: sorry no, I don't give dangerous commands like that to folks unless they are prepared to understand how to use them and what they do. Jul 08 04:19:10 Heh. Jul 08 04:19:49 JetUni: bootie, memboot, meta-doctor and that backup target contain all the information you need. Jul 08 04:21:41 JetUni: you will also need to know about LVM partitions Jul 08 04:22:36 * cat-xeger passes rwhitby the box of shotgun shells Jul 08 04:23:37 cat-xeger: the meta-doctor backup target actually makes it quite safe - it mounts things read-only etc. Jul 08 04:24:09 unfortunately, no-one I have shown how to use the meta-doctor backup target has yet taken it upon themselves to document it. Jul 08 04:24:10 Heh. I haven't had a chance to play with it yet, but between the chroots and ro fsen... Jul 08 04:26:31 rwhitby: I've got a patch for the Preware screenshots scene: http://pastebin.com/FZnXH8v2 Jul 08 04:26:32 anyone here with an activated CDMA device who knows how to look in /var/lib/software/DmTree.xml ? Jul 08 04:27:48 oil: ^^ preware patch looks good? Jul 08 04:27:56 appsotutely: looks good to me Jul 08 04:28:52 rwhitby: what am I looking for? Jul 08 04:29:34 oh, wait, define "knows how" Jul 08 04:29:37 summatusmentis: near the end of the file, there will be an XML node called CDMA. Does it have valid contents that are relevant to your device and account? Jul 08 04:29:40 internalz isn't showing that this file exists Jul 08 04:30:15 * summatusmentis checks novaterm Jul 08 04:30:19 cat-xeger: is it a full reboot or a luna restart? and if it reboots, why doesn't your alarm work? Jul 08 04:31:05 yeh, rwhitby, unless I need to do something special, that file isn't there on my sprint pre- running 2.1 Jul 08 04:31:51 dwc- Not sure. Everything stops, and I get to wait through 1-2 minutes (sometimes repeated cycles of) the hp logo reappearing after things go blank Jul 08 04:32:10 My assumption is that the alarm goes away because the crash wipes out some setting Jul 08 04:32:22 from a terminal, you can run uptime and if it was just luna, the counter will not be reset Jul 08 04:32:22 rwhitby: alright good Jul 08 04:33:08 It's probably just a luna restart then -- I'm seeing an uptime of 3 days Jul 08 04:33:13 (or look at last reboot) Jul 08 04:33:20 (wondering if it's normal for the load average to be over 2) Jul 08 04:33:27 oh, nevermind, the pre doesn't log reboots in wtmp Jul 08 04:33:35 Nope. Jul 08 04:33:41 ... just checked Jul 08 04:33:53 * dwc- did too Jul 08 04:35:02 The restarts seem to be associated with state changes most often -- and I do see plenty of complaints about things like trying to reattach to non-existent apps Jul 08 04:35:05 (summarizing) Jul 08 04:36:19 rwhitby: as long as I'm here, what are you looking for in the CDMA node (of DmTree.xml)? Jul 08 04:37:18 rwhitby: I'm pretty sure I understand what could happen...I already messed up my pre and am trying to fix it now. So how do I copy a file to the /bin directory?? Jul 08 04:37:41 cp file /bin? Jul 08 04:38:07 JetUni - have you considered that you may just be making things wores? Jul 08 04:38:18 JetUni: recovery mode ; make memload mount ; novacom put .. ; reboot Jul 08 04:38:41 appsotutely: just want to know if it contains valid information Jul 08 04:39:05 appsotutely: it's for http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/OmaDm Jul 08 04:40:34 cat-xeger: If it gets worse I just doctor right... Jul 08 04:41:29 rwhitby: Umm, doesn't seem to contain anything particularly specific: 3GPD, Profile1, AuthAlgoAAA. I can send you the node separately if you like. Jul 08 04:46:45 appsotutely: so it doesn't contain any actual values, just empty nodes? Jul 08 04:47:24 appsotutely: the template is in /usr/share/omadm/DmTree.xml - does that area differ from the template in yours? Jul 08 04:47:38 appsotutely: (also, which device and carrier?) Jul 08 04:51:47 rwhitby: seems so, at least for me right now. Just empty nodes and the entire CDMA node is identical to the template. I'm on a Sprint Pre2. Jul 08 04:52:11 appsotutely: ah, Sprint Pre 2 doesn't have a provisioner binary Jul 08 04:52:29 Anyone got a working Sprint Pre running 1.4.5 ? Jul 08 04:59:28 rwhitby: so all I need is a usb transfer command right?? I have 1 file on my comp that I need to transfer to my phone Jul 08 04:59:57 JetUni: what is a "usb transfer command" ? Jul 08 05:00:26 On the bootie wiki page the usb transfer commands Jul 08 05:00:38 under the commands list Jul 08 05:01:00 it says usb: usb transfer commands Jul 08 05:01:31 rwhitby, my vzw Pre+ with 2.1 also does not have a /var/lib/software/DmTree.xml Jul 08 05:02:09 RagingMind: probably has the UpdateDaemon disabled - I do that for franken devices Jul 08 05:02:22 JetUni: and what does that command do? Jul 08 05:03:34 well I now figured I have the option to usb print message, usb disconnect and usb connect Jul 08 05:03:41 JetUni: I already gave you the commands: recovery mode ; make memload mount ; novacom put .. ; reboot Jul 08 05:03:51 yeah, I remember seeing that in the script when I built the doc I used to flash this phone Jul 08 05:04:56 from where? I was typing commands from novaterm and it says command not found Jul 08 05:05:19 you can novaterm into your pre? Jul 08 05:09:21 I have it in recovery mode, not to make memload mount I... Jul 08 05:09:35 now to make memload mount I... Jul 08 05:12:00 rwhitby: appsotutely: patch looks ook to me Jul 08 05:14:28 oil: do you want to apply it? I'm knee-deep in OmaDm ;) Jul 08 05:15:02 sure, ill get it in there in a few Jul 08 05:32:50 what's roots default password on a pre 2? Jul 08 05:36:34 blank Jul 08 05:36:34 empty Jul 08 05:36:52 thanks Jul 08 05:37:27 hunter2 Jul 08 05:37:47 root@192.168.0.24's password: Permission denied, please try again. Jul 08 05:37:51 yeah; they managed to make a quite impressive hash that matches both "blank" and "empty"; i'm still not sure how they managed that kind of a attack Jul 08 05:38:07 usually that's pretty hard with the hash algorithms used Jul 08 05:38:11 heh Jul 08 05:38:16 infidel: ssh to dropbear? Jul 08 05:38:17 sshd doesn't let you login with a blank password Jul 08 05:39:25 * oil uses a ky Jul 08 05:39:27 key* Jul 08 05:39:27 dwc-: that's why we use keys Jul 08 05:39:55 or set a password Jul 08 05:39:58 ahhh Jul 08 06:03:45 halfhalo, can node, by itself talk telnet or some other network stack based terminal serial thing? Jul 08 06:06:56 any precentral writers in here? Jul 08 06:34:29 morning ... Jul 08 06:34:48 any idea how to fix my broken optware installation? Jul 08 06:37:25 masterhit: webOS 1.4.5 ? Jul 08 06:43:43 guess masterhit didn't want it fixed ... Jul 08 06:45:01 ka6sox: node talks tcp and udp, so it can Jul 08 06:45:25 halfhalo, already found the 6 line client Jul 08 06:45:26 rwhitby: 2.1 pre- Jul 08 06:45:30 rwhitby: 2.1 pre- Jul 08 06:45:48 masterhit: should have upgraded cleanly then. Jul 08 06:46:08 masterhit: if all else fails, uninstall all optware stuff, reboot, then reinstall it. your keys will be preserved. Jul 08 06:46:54 this is what i tried Jul 08 06:47:11 ka6sox: heh. thats node for you. Jul 08 06:47:18 update through preware failed. Jul 08 06:47:22 update through preware failed. Jul 08 06:47:39 so i uninstalled all (via preware) Jul 08 06:47:46 and now he wont reinstall :/ Jul 08 06:47:53 yes, if you have a running daemon, it can't unmount /opt to migrate it Jul 08 06:48:02 seems so Jul 08 06:48:14 i have to kill a demon now Jul 08 06:48:21 :D Jul 08 06:48:32 well, uninstall and reboot does that Jul 08 06:49:18 if you've uninstalled and rebooted, then post the ipkg log somewhere and give me the URL to it Jul 08 06:49:27 ive uninstalled everything ... and rebooted quiet often Jul 08 06:49:29 (the ipkg log of your attempted reinstall) Jul 08 06:49:30 k Jul 08 06:49:47 in fact that should have been the first thing you provided 15 minutes ago Jul 08 06:50:16 "hey, I get a preware installlation error for optware. here is the ipkg log: " is how you should enter this channel Jul 08 06:54:11 http://pastebin.com/zjZRWX9p Jul 08 06:56:27 masterhit: do you have a /var/opt directory ? Jul 08 06:58:21 * masterhit is starting xterm Jul 08 06:58:57 jup Jul 08 06:59:05 is it empty? Jul 08 06:59:12 jup Jul 08 06:59:18 yessir Jul 08 06:59:23 touch a file in there and try again Jul 08 07:00:28 1 moment Jul 08 07:01:14 or alternatively remove that empty directory Jul 08 07:01:59 unbelievable moving a file in there did it \o/ Jul 08 07:02:01 :* Jul 08 07:02:24 should be fixed in 1.6.1, in the optware testing feed now Jul 08 07:14:06 rwhitby, appsotutely: http://git.webos-internals.org/applications/preware/commit/?id=cf957757cc6a51782c72edafdfaf35a629bc3d8e Jul 08 07:23:49 breakfast now. thanks again Jul 08 08:36:13 My sprint franken pre 2 running webos 2.1.0 just notified me there is an update available to the same version 2.1.0 ? Jul 08 10:15:01 nburn, was it recently doctored to 2.1.0? Jul 08 10:15:13 if so, it's a known thing Jul 08 10:42:50 anyone awake? Jul 08 10:55:26 awwwpoo Jul 08 11:06:46 hello Jul 08 11:07:02 anyone who can help my by saying how to instal Preware on TouchPad? Jul 08 11:08:37 my franken pre also just updated Jul 08 11:09:19 it's pretty typical though Jul 08 11:11:43 which OS? Jul 08 11:11:46 i mean Jul 08 11:11:48 carrier Jul 08 11:21:22 verizon Jul 08 11:52:52 just noticed microwaves question... he hung around for a whole minute for an answer Jul 08 11:53:11 or perhaps he tried installing it like you do on every other webOS device and realize that it works Jul 08 12:16:52 g'day folks :) Jul 08 12:17:33 I am looking for an enthusiastic Hardwar expert Jul 08 12:17:40 Hardware* Jul 08 12:19:50 anyone interested in creating a walkthrough about how to tear down the Pre- GSM, I provide Pictures and Hardware, but need someone with Know-How Jul 08 12:25:11 anyone? Jul 08 13:06:39 Wow...seems a lot of people are having charge issues.... Jul 08 13:07:23 or have had.... Jul 08 13:08:10 with? Jul 08 13:10:10 Loudergood: the Pre- Jul 08 13:12:46 ah, I never owned a minus Jul 08 13:12:52 Lucky you. Jul 08 13:13:13 PinguinXY: http://bit.ly/pre-disassembly Jul 08 13:13:13 my first was a plus Jul 08 13:15:40 I still love my + :) Jul 08 13:15:43 most of the time Jul 08 13:20:30 There is not one Pre 2 for sale on Craigslist... Jul 08 13:20:33 not one. Jul 08 14:05:31 that's because everyone who has one loves it Jul 08 14:42:47 Loudergood: yeah...I bet...but I want one! Jul 08 14:43:16 Yeah, I think either the battery in this Pre is shot, or I broke something. Jul 08 14:43:22 because it's not charging. Jul 08 14:45:42 what did you do to it? Jul 08 14:46:06 Well this was a pre I got from a buddy, with all 4 missing screws from the slider... Jul 08 14:46:19 so I took it apart, replaced the screws from a cellphone I had laying around. Jul 08 14:48:26 and I charged it once...but now, I drained the battery...and its just going to the battery with the bolt symbol...and almost boot looping...without booting. Jul 08 14:49:02 but the computer keeps seeing it as Palm Novatec Bootie....everytime it does that. Jul 08 14:49:18 try plugging it into the wall Jul 08 14:49:21 and not the USB Jul 08 14:49:33 PatrickC: yeah, I don't have a charger with me... Jul 08 14:50:04 I think its because I had it as Diag on the USB 1... Jul 08 14:50:11 maybe it's got something to do with it.... Jul 08 15:06:37 did someone ping me recently? Jul 08 15:07:11 did you try /lastlog ? Jul 08 15:16:24 not a valid command Jul 08 15:16:39 yeah, I tried it too Jul 08 15:16:49 ~lastlog Jul 08 15:21:42 is it possible to convert a CDMA pixi to GSM? Jul 08 15:21:52 yes. if you swap comms boards Jul 08 15:22:53 Are there any plans to make freetether work via bluetooth with the TouchPad? Jul 08 15:22:57 but does the pixi's comms board have the SIM slot on it? Jul 08 15:23:11 I believe so, yes Jul 08 15:23:26 but I'm not 100% certain as I've not handled a pixi gsm Jul 08 15:23:31 only gsm pre2's Jul 08 15:24:14 twbbas: I hope so Jul 08 15:24:53 PuffTheMagic: oh, then maybe it's an irssi specific thing, but I didn't think so Jul 08 15:27:09 PatrickC: what'd you pay for the Pre2? Jul 08 15:27:14 I didnt Jul 08 15:27:19 got them free Jul 08 15:27:32 I have 2 Jul 08 15:28:13 ... Jul 08 15:28:14 howd you get them free Jul 08 15:28:21 dev device program Jul 08 15:28:26 oh Jul 08 15:30:10 it makes wonder if the conversion is even possible Jul 08 15:30:26 when i did the verizon comms board swap into my sprint pixi Jul 08 15:30:34 the phone still read "Sprint" Jul 08 15:31:14 I believe its possible.. though I've never done it. Jul 08 15:31:15 so.. Jul 08 15:33:04 i mean if the phone read Verizon and the ESN changed, then yeah i guess its 100% possible Jul 08 15:33:35 im guessing the ESN and stuff is stored some place else on the pixi other than the comms board Jul 08 15:34:48 I'm really not the most knowledgeable person on this subject (yet) :) Jul 08 15:35:45 lol ok Jul 08 15:43:32 PatrickC: you dev? Jul 08 15:43:37 yep Jul 08 15:44:26 Cool... Jul 08 15:44:33 fudge_: I believe ESN and things are stored on the mobo on the pixi Jul 08 15:44:42 there's a precentral thread about it, iirc Jul 08 15:44:56 yeah i thought so too Jul 08 15:45:10 wont it be illegal to change that stuff tho Jul 08 15:45:30 well, can you explain what you're trying to do? Jul 08 15:46:03 im trying to convert a CDMA verizon pixi minus into a GSM (Unlocked) pixi plus Jul 08 15:47:20 the GSM pixi is water damaged (touch screen is gone) and im trying to swap the board into the verizon one, but im wondering if it will even work Jul 08 15:48:47 http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pixi-pixi-plus/256557-added-wifi-my-sprint-pixi-works-100-a.html Jul 08 15:48:55 that's the thread I was basing my info off of Jul 08 15:49:06 so that suggests that ESN and things are on the mobo Jul 08 15:50:00 yeah. im guessing its not possible then :/ Jul 08 15:50:40 RavenII: do you know Javascript? Jul 08 15:51:35 Negative...I do more the hacking of ESNs and such.. Jul 08 15:52:14 RavenII: so its possible in your eyes? lol Jul 08 15:54:04 What's that? Jul 08 15:54:24 Sorry, I wasn't reading (at work) Jul 08 15:54:31 lol its ok Jul 08 15:54:43 making a cdma pixi into a gsm one Jul 08 15:55:08 ok... Jul 08 15:58:00 any windsurfers/sailors/kitesurfers here that want to help beta-testing a wind-prediction app? query me! Jul 08 16:04:15 PatrickC: now that I think about it...I had the thing plugged into the house charger all night...still didn't charge... Jul 08 16:04:26 RavenII: odd Jul 08 16:04:38 Yeah... Jul 08 16:33:01 I'm thinking this is a bad pre...because it's not charging and I keep getting "Phone offline"....when/if it boots up. Jul 08 16:33:08 All the more reason to get a Plus... Jul 08 17:38:52 summatusmentis: lastlog is an epic/bitchx then irssi command. Jul 08 17:39:19 oh, I didn't realize that Jul 08 18:31:21 i setup ssh and am able to ssh in via wifi but not ppp0 i look at ifconfig ppp0 and have a 10. address so i wanted to check my ip on www.whatismyip.com and not my web browser doesn't work could this be a fw issue since the only rules are set for port 222? Jul 08 18:36:05 rwhitby: So I still don't know what commands I'm executing in which program to copy one little file to my pre...do you think you could help? Jul 08 18:37:18 JetUni, what are you doing? Jul 08 18:38:14 infidel: I need to copy /bin/sh to my pre from recovery mode... Jul 08 18:39:44 JetUni, can you access the pre? Jul 08 18:40:29 infidel: it's in recovery mode...that's the best I can do with it...it won't go past the boot logo Jul 08 18:41:46 JetUni, with the usb cable connected can you get to the os? Jul 08 18:41:55 with novacom Jul 08 18:42:05 How exactly?? Jul 08 18:43:05 dos prompt correct dir novacom -t open tty:// Jul 08 18:47:00 So I did "-t open tty://" from the novacom dir and nothing happened Jul 08 18:47:42 novacom -t open tty:// Jul 08 18:48:10 yes Jul 08 18:48:19 nothing happened Jul 08 18:48:44 cable connected and just charge selected? Jul 08 18:49:20 Cable connected and it's in recovery mode cuz I can't boot it... Jul 08 18:49:29 ahh oh yeah Jul 08 18:50:15 everything depends on that shell, what happened to it? Jul 08 18:51:22 i never been in recovery mode what do you see there? Jul 08 18:52:34 http://forums.palm.com/t5/webOS-Hardware/Palm-Pre-stuck-at-logo/td-p/242880 Jul 08 18:53:31 that page may help Jul 08 18:56:03 I know I can doctor it...but I don't want to...it's just one file I need to copy Jul 08 18:56:33 Or if there's an easy way to rename a file already on my pre, then that would work... Jul 08 18:58:26 can you get windows to see the files on the phone? Jul 08 18:58:56 I'm on Linux Jul 08 18:58:56 you have a linux box? Jul 08 18:59:10 when you plug it in does dmesg see it? Jul 08 18:59:13 It's a separate boot image Linux Jul 08 18:59:21 what's dmesg Jul 08 18:59:31 kernel messages Jul 08 18:59:40 how about lsusb? Jul 08 18:59:51 you might be able to munt it Jul 08 18:59:54 mount Jul 08 19:00:19 just type dmesg and look at the end for usb or sdX Jul 08 19:04:12 I don't see usb or sdX at the end of it... Jul 08 19:04:25 type lsusb Jul 08 19:04:44 k Jul 08 19:05:02 one says Palm, Inc. Jul 08 19:05:27 cool Jul 08 19:05:27 Bus 001 Device 007: ID 0830:8001 Palm, Inc. Jul 08 19:05:47 so it does see it, now you should be able to mount it Jul 08 19:06:03 sorry i can't help anymore i have to go back to work Jul 08 19:06:11 me too...thx Jul 08 19:19:03 ciao Jul 08 19:19:23 hellp Jul 08 19:20:35 Hi, in your opinion the possibility we have of made a meta-doctor of webos 3.0 in future for Pre+/- is about... 0%? xD Jul 08 19:20:40 hello* Jul 08 19:20:59 yeah.. probably right around 0% Jul 08 19:21:05 xDDDDDDD Jul 08 19:21:14 I don't think its possible.. different chips iirc Jul 08 19:21:33 meanwhile for Pre 2, around 99%, right? Jul 08 19:22:03 I believe the pre2 will get an official 3.0 doctor Jul 08 19:22:31 and I don't think that any of the current phones will be meta-doctorable to 3.0 as the tp has a different chip Jul 08 19:23:40 ok... thanks ;) Jul 08 19:23:44 np Jul 08 19:29:15 another quest.: every morning, when I turn off the airplane mode on my Pre- (kernel F-105, 1005 Mhz, webOS 2.1) after 7 hours, I must restart the OS, because its block... How can i resolve? Jul 08 19:38:48 hmm case+touchstone doesn't work as well as you'd hope Jul 08 19:39:06 has np charging through the case, but no useful way to put the device on the tp w.r.t to flap Jul 08 19:39:22 sine you probably wanna SEE it when on the tp, for exhibition and the like Jul 08 19:39:36 * dtzWill plays with it Jul 08 19:39:48 you can fold flap under and it sorta fits, but is kinda unnecessarily janky Jul 08 19:40:27 folding under in landscape seems best, oh well Jul 08 19:40:40 just shame the orientations didn't work out such that you could fold flap over top in the other landscape orientation... Jul 08 19:56:21 dtzWill: is the case nice besides that? pics? :) Jul 08 20:21:17 if I'm hacking on misc builtin apps (looking to see if a patch idea is plausible) Jul 08 20:21:26 stop LunaSysMgr ; start LunaSysMgr Jul 08 20:21:32 should be sufficient to ensure the updated code is loaded? Jul 08 20:23:56 (seems like it) Jul 08 20:31:34 YAY it's alive Jul 08 20:31:42 (agena view only shows my primary calendar now) Jul 08 20:31:44 thank *god* Jul 08 20:31:58 it didn't even filter on the calendars you marked visible in the calendar app Jul 08 20:32:17 so i have lots of calendars (friends, coworkers, etc) that i absolutely don't need cluttering my agenda ^.^ Jul 08 20:32:34 too bad my short poking didn't show a useful way to generalize this or let a user pick which calendar Jul 08 20:32:46 just had it log calendarId's and then hardcoded a check for mine, lol Jul 08 20:32:46 :3 Jul 08 20:33:19 ahhhh touchpad in case, on touchstone, showing my actual agenda ^_________________________^ Jul 08 20:33:22 * dtzWill is a happy will Jul 08 20:35:40 can you install regular .deb files in webos? Jul 08 20:36:03 PatrickC: depends what you mean Jul 08 20:36:06 short answer is 'no' Jul 08 20:36:17 like the Inkscape for linux Jul 08 20:36:19 medium answer is 'kinda' Jul 08 20:36:43 PatrickC: you could certainly 'install' them--they're just zip'd (err whatever compressed format they use) data Jul 08 20:36:48 extract it to /opt or something Jul 08 20:36:54 getting the dependencies for that deb Jul 08 20:36:59 and installing *those* Jul 08 20:37:07 is not something that you could easily do, offhand anyway Jul 08 20:37:07 my problem is that /opt is out of space (or so it says) Jul 08 20:37:19 PatrickC: well then metadoctor it to have more space :) Jul 08 20:37:22 er i think that's an option... Jul 08 20:37:36 do I have to doctor to gain the space? Jul 08 20:37:41 or can I do it elsewhere? Jul 08 20:37:48 anyway if you treat the .deb as a collection of prebuilt libraries/binaries/resources, and you _own_ putting them where they go and grabbing dep's you can /use/ them Jul 08 20:37:55 but kinda loses the whole point of having a .deb Jul 08 20:38:15 PatrickC: you can probably use the lvm tools to do a non-destructive resize Jul 08 20:38:24 ok Jul 08 20:38:30 I'll try those later Jul 08 20:38:33 i don't know how though, sorry. just imagine it's do-able Jul 08 20:38:41 thanks Jul 08 20:38:42 and, uh, no promises it won't eat your babies or something O:) Jul 08 20:39:06 I've done the lvm resize before Jul 08 20:39:15 and it worked fine then, which is why I asked Jul 08 20:39:35 PatrickC: great, you're a step ahead :) Jul 08 20:39:44 but I did it for other stuff. not the /opt Jul 08 20:39:57 I'll try it and report back :) Jul 08 20:40:24 thanks dtzWill Jul 08 20:41:13 PatrickC: yep, gl! :) Jul 08 20:41:18 thx Jul 08 20:41:40 I'll let you know what happens.. how did they run OOO on webos? I might have to do something like that Jul 08 20:43:24 PatrickC: using the x server Jul 08 20:43:34 PatrickC: and then taking some arm-friendly linux distribution like debian Jul 08 20:43:38 and building a chroot Jul 08 20:43:52 ok. documented on the wiki? I presume Jul 08 20:43:56 so just having all the files of the distribution, in an iamge on /media/internal Jul 08 20:44:03 PatrickC: indeed! Jul 08 20:44:06 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Debian_chroot Jul 08 20:44:07 PatrickC: ^^^^^^^^^ Jul 08 20:44:08 :) Jul 08 20:44:11