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Jul 11 03:00:01 <rrix-wirc> okiedoke
Jul 11 03:19:27 <Error454> whew, patch submitted
Jul 11 03:20:23 <Error454> and I'm done for the night
Jul 11 14:37:56 <PatrickC> can you activate a pre if it doesn't power on, but has a clean esn?
Jul 11 14:43:32 <DWarrior> hi, do you know why my freetether on pre would just randomly drop wifi connection?
Jul 11 14:43:56 <DWarrior> maybe every 30-40 minutes my computer has to reconnect
Jul 11 15:28:23 <AtomicPlayboy> Anyone from Precentral here? precentral.net is giving me 502.
Jul 11 15:28:37 <AtomicPlayboy> Now it's saying "You don't have access here."
Jul 11 15:32:37 <PatrickC> works for me
Jul 11 15:33:24 <AtomicPlayboy> It's back now
Jul 11 15:48:05 <Loudergood> typically that kind of error means: Someone screwed up the server, and is sweating bullets trying to fix it, please standby.
Jul 11 15:49:23 <AtomicPlayboy> Yeah, I work for a tech company, I know that feeling all too well
Jul 11 15:49:52 <AtomicPlayboy> rm -rf /usr /bumblebee
Jul 11 17:42:58 <ice8lue> hey guys!
Jul 11 17:48:03 <ice8lue> does somebody know why I just can't doctor my unlocked pre2 with the 2.1 doc? 2.0.1 works flawlessly
Jul 11 17:59:10 <ice8lue> well just doctored it to 2.0.1 .... love to have the palm bootlogo back - at least for a while
Jul 11 18:16:31 <summatusmentis> is anyone here aware of luna restarts on the TP? (without being told to)?
Jul 11 18:23:25 <ice8lue> yea there was something in the p|c news i think
Jul 11 18:23:40 <ice8lue> it's thought to be removed with an OTA soon
Jul 11 18:24:26 <summatusmentis> oh really? I don't remember seeing that
Jul 11 18:24:28 * summatusmentis goes to look
Jul 11 18:25:27 <AtomicPlayboy> Me neither
Jul 11 18:25:30 <ice8lue> at least I did read about that serveral times^^
Jul 11 18:25:52 <ice8lue> it's one of the problems the  current webos version on TP has
Jul 11 18:26:36 <summatusmentis> but there's no known fix yet?
Jul 11 18:26:44 <ice8lue> not really
Jul 11 18:27:03 <summatusmentis> awesome
Jul 11 18:27:14 <AtomicPlayboy> So I just get to put up with it rebooting every few minutes/whenever it feels like it until an update
Jul 11 18:28:25 <summatusmentis> probably, you said you'd tried doctoring it?
Jul 11 18:28:36 <AtomicPlayboy> An hour ago, yeah
Jul 11 18:28:38 <AtomicPlayboy> Same problem
Jul 11 18:29:07 <AtomicPlayboy> However, it wasn't until after I had set up all of my accounts and opened up every app I installed at least once
Jul 11 18:29:37 <summatusmentis> hrm, weird
Jul 11 18:29:37 <ice8lue> well HP was in a bit of a hurry whean bringing up the touchpad and it's the first webOS3.0 build out
Jul 11 18:29:42 <ice8lue> give them some time
Jul 11 18:29:55 <summatusmentis> I know they were in a hurry
Jul 11 18:30:12 <summatusmentis> there's just like, a level of polish that I'd like to see in a "final" product
Jul 11 18:30:34 <summatusmentis> yunno?
Jul 11 18:31:00 <AtomicPlayboy> I'm of the mindset that no piece of technology is ever "final"; there are some that look better than others.
Jul 11 18:31:18 <AtomicPlayboy> And some that get updated/renewed more frequently than others
Jul 11 18:31:38 <summatusmentis> there needs to be a line between beta and consumer-reader
Jul 11 18:31:40 <AtomicPlayboy> Polishing before releasing to the general public? Yeah.
Jul 11 18:31:43 <summatusmentis> ready*
Jul 11 18:32:37 <AtomicPlayboy> I've come to accept that fact over the years that we're all beta-testers who just have to pay for what we test :P
Jul 11 18:33:05 <summatusmentis> it makes me sad
Jul 11 18:33:53 <AtomicPlayboy> But hey
Jul 11 18:34:12 <AtomicPlayboy> With as bug-ridden as webOS 3.0.0 is, at least the antenna still works when I hold it.
Jul 11 18:35:25 <summatusmentis> oh, don't get me wrong, I love mty TP
Jul 11 18:35:57 <AtomicPlayboy> I love mine too
Jul 11 18:36:21 <AtomicPlayboy> It seems like the problem could be related to one of the sensors
Jul 11 18:36:35 <AtomicPlayboy> I don't know how exactly, but that's the only correlation I can find
Jul 11 18:37:10 <AtomicPlayboy> If I don't move it physically, it seems fine. If I jostle it around or rotate it or whatever, after a couple minutes it restarts Luna
Jul 11 18:37:47 <AtomicPlayboy> And as soon as I say that...
Jul 11 18:38:10 <halfhalo> sounds like bad hardware...
Jul 11 18:40:16 <AtomicPlayboy> Time to learn how Amazon handles RMAs...
Jul 11 18:40:41 <halfhalo> call em up, they are really good at rma's
Jul 11 18:40:48 <halfhalo> they might even cross ship you one
Jul 11 18:41:45 <AtomicPlayboy> Yeah
Jul 11 18:41:50 <AtomicPlayboy> I'll do that later
Jul 11 18:46:21 <AtomicPlayboy> Okay
Jul 11 18:46:23 <AtomicPlayboy> It's unusable now
Jul 11 18:46:28 <AtomicPlayboy> Doctoring again
Jul 11 19:06:00 <AtomicPlayboy> Okay, Doctor'd, starting over
Jul 11 19:17:29 <PatrickC> ice8lue: did you solve your problem?
Jul 11 19:17:55 <matbee> ...someone needs to get the updated version of node.js installed on webos2.x -- AND the old version to run at the same time, so it doesnt conflict
Jul 11 19:18:18 <matbee> so webos-internals versions of apps can use an updated nodejs
Jul 11 19:18:22 <ice8lue> PatrickC: not really. did reload the doctor twice but same behavior... 2.0.1 version works perfect...
Jul 11 19:18:43 <PatrickC> what does the log say? what percent does it stop at?
Jul 11 19:18:54 <ice8lue> 12% always
Jul 11 19:19:09 <PatrickC> hmm..
Jul 11 19:19:18 <PatrickC> what does the log say?
Jul 11 19:46:42 <AtomicPlayboy> Gonna try something different this time
Jul 11 19:47:53 <PatrickC> different from?
Jul 11 19:50:58 <AtomicPlayboy> Going to set up my accounts slowly, one at a time, and only the ones I use most frequently
Jul 11 19:51:12 <AtomicPlayboy> My email accounts, box.net, Twitter and Facebook
Jul 11 19:51:43 <AtomicPlayboy> Get into a shell and tail the logs while I use it so I can see what's going on if Luna resets again
Jul 11 19:52:03 <AtomicPlayboy> Shell from another box that is
Jul 11 19:52:05 <djwhitey> djwhitey has ripped nexgen-acidmax
Jul 11 19:52:06 <djwhitey> djwhitey has ripped nexgen-acidmax
Jul 11 19:52:07 <djwhitey> djwhitey has ripped nexgen-acidmax
Jul 11 19:52:08 <djwhitey> djwhitey has ripped nexgen-acidmax
Jul 11 19:52:09 <djwhitey> djwhitey has ripped nexgen-acidmax
Jul 11 19:52:10 <djwhitey> djwhitey has ripped nexgen-acidmax
Jul 11 19:52:11 <djwhitey> djwhitey has ripped nexgen-acidmax
Jul 11 19:52:12 <djwhitey> djwhitey has ripped nexgen-acidmax
Jul 11 19:52:13 <djwhitey> djwhitey has ripped nexgen-acidmax
Jul 11 19:52:13 <djwhitey> djwhitey has ripped nexgen-acidmax
Jul 11 19:52:15 <djwhitey> djwhitey has ripped nexgen-acidmax
Jul 11 19:52:16 <djwhitey> djwhitey has ripped nexgen-acidmax
Jul 11 19:52:16 <djwhitey> djwhitey has ripped nexgen-acidmax
Jul 11 19:52:18 <djwhitey> djwhitey has ripped nexgen-acidmax
Jul 11 19:52:19 <djwhitey> djwhitey has ripped nexgen-acidmax
Jul 11 19:52:19 <Loudergood> lol
Jul 11 19:52:19 <djwhitey> djwhitey has ripped nexgen-acidmax
Jul 11 19:52:21 <djwhitey> djwhitey has ripped nexgen-acidmax
Jul 11 19:52:22 <djwhitey> djwhitey has ripped nexgen-acidmax
Jul 11 19:52:22 <djwhitey> djwhitey has ripped nexgen-acidmax
Jul 11 19:52:24 <djwhitey> djwhitey has ripped nexgen-acidmax
Jul 11 19:52:25 <djwhitey> djwhitey has ripped nexgen-acidmax
Jul 11 19:52:25 <djwhitey> djwhitey has ripped nexgen-acidmax
Jul 11 19:52:26 <djwhitey> djwhitey has ripped nexgen-acidmax
Jul 11 19:52:28 <djwhitey> djwhitey has ripped nexgen-acidmax
Jul 11 19:52:30 <djwhitey> djwhitey has ripped nexgen-acidmax
Jul 11 19:52:41 <PatrickC> lol
Jul 11 19:52:52 <PatrickC> what was that about? :P
Jul 11 19:52:53 <Loudergood> ah it's a mirc script
Jul 11 19:53:02 <AtomicPlayboy> Yeah I was looking at that too
Jul 11 19:53:18 <AtomicPlayboy> Apparently it doesn't like it if you "rip" it, whatever that means
Jul 11 19:55:09 <ice8lue> i think the log says someting about unrecognized cpu
Jul 11 19:55:18 <ice8lue> looks really strange
Jul 11 19:55:30 <ice8lue> 2.0.1 + OTA to 2.1 is good
Jul 11 19:56:17 <PatrickC> you OTA'd?
Jul 11 19:58:01 <ice8lue> ya
Jul 11 19:58:12 <PatrickC> ok. at least you fixed it
Jul 11 19:58:22 <ice8lue> ya but it's annoying
Jul 11 19:58:31 <ice8lue> i think the doctor is somewhat instable
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**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jul 11 20:02:14 2011
Jul 11 20:05:24 <bhuey> is there an easy way of mass removal of a bunch of apps other than reflashing the device ?
Jul 11 20:05:50 <ice8lue> not really
Jul 11 20:05:59 <PatrickC> nope.. not that I know of
Jul 11 20:06:32 <bhuey> ok shit
Jul 11 20:07:31 <PatrickC> I was just gonna suggest "erase apps and data" but...
Jul 11 20:08:03 <ice8lue> ^^
Jul 11 20:54:05 <ice8lue> I < save&restore
Jul 11 20:54:10 <ice8lue> <3
Jul 11 20:54:20 <ice8lue> got all my settings back within seconds
Jul 11 20:54:38 <ice8lue> too bad newsroom can't be restored... gott add all the feeds again
Jul 11 21:03:52 <oc80> any redboot hackers
Jul 11 21:04:55 <oc80> i just meshed up brainslayers stuff , no FIS part detected. help.. modded SPI chip.
Jul 11 21:11:19 <AtomicPlayboy> Alright
Jul 11 21:11:37 <AtomicPlayboy> Going to take my TouchPad home and see how long it lasts before Luna goes nuts
Jul 11 21:18:10 <oc80> HEH
Jul 11 21:26:13 <Error454> I submitted a camera patch yesterday, I was curious when it might appear in the testing feeds.
Jul 11 21:34:13 <oc80> whats it do eh
Jul 11 21:38:48 <PatrickC> Error454: I believe the time is a few days
Jul 11 21:39:08 <AtomicPlayboy> Ther eit goes
Jul 11 21:39:14 <AtomicPlayboy> Alright, time to check logs
Jul 11 21:50:23 <Error454> Are the webos-internals gitorious repositories clones from some other repository?
Jul 11 21:54:02 <Error454> The reason I ask, I'm looking for something I can clone and make pull requests for kernel patches
Jul 11 22:02:43 <PatrickC> git.webos-internals.org ?
Jul 11 22:02:50 <PatrickC> or ipkg.preware.org ?
Jul 11 22:03:24 <Error454> quite different than http://gitorious.org/webos-internals
Jul 11 22:04:26 <PatrickC> try http://git.webos-internals.org
Jul 11 22:04:35 <PatrickC> or http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds
Jul 11 22:06:42 <Error454> http://git.webos-internals.org looks like the right place
Jul 11 22:07:31 <PatrickC> ok
Jul 11 22:17:38 <Error454> pre-central is great and all but I can't help but hate it.  Forums are poor platforms for distributing information in an easy to find way, posts that are hundreds of pages long, jeeze. Would people consider an experimental stackexchange site?
Jul 11 22:19:55 <PatrickC> stackexchange?
Jul 11 22:22:22 <Error454> the backing for stackoverflow
Jul 11 22:23:52 <PatrickC> ah
Jul 11 22:23:56 <PatrickC> never used them
Jul 11 22:24:13 <Error454> We could create a WebOS Homebrew stackexchange
Jul 11 22:24:27 <Error454> you've never used stackoverflow?
Jul 11 22:24:38 <stbuehler> hehe
Jul 11 22:24:53 <PatrickC> nope
Jul 11 22:24:54 <stbuehler> 50% of my google queries result in wikipedia. the other 50% in stackoverflow :D
Jul 11 22:25:01 <PatrickC> stackexchange == http://stackexchange.com/ ?
Jul 11 22:25:03 <ka6sox-farfarawa> stack_overflow good...unless you are experiencit one.
Jul 11 22:25:28 <Error454> PatrickC: yes
Jul 11 22:25:38 <PatrickC> that's what WOR uses iirc
Jul 11 22:25:43 <PatrickC> looks kinda like theirs
Jul 11 22:26:22 <Error454> stackexchange has proved how useless forums are, they've basically made forums 2.0 and going back is painful
Jul 11 22:27:24 <cat-xeger> ... and time to try running webosdoctor _again_
Jul 11 22:36:13 <rwhitby> morning
Jul 11 23:00:33 <oc80z> oe
Jul 11 23:00:45 <PatrickC> huh?
Jul 11 23:01:02 <Error454> good morning
Jul 11 23:01:28 <PatrickC> good afternoon
Jul 11 23:01:54 <oc80z> oe is Open Embedded or Olde English malt liquor
Jul 11 23:02:00 <oc80z> or spanish for hey.
Jul 11 23:03:22 <PatrickC> lol
Jul 11 23:56:41 <cat-xeger> blar.
Jul 12 00:04:53 <AtomicAwayboy> Anyone know how to get novaterm to connect to the TouchPad?
Jul 12 00:04:58 <AtomicAwayboy> Has anyone got that far?
Jul 12 00:06:27 <cryptk> AtomicPlayboy, plug in the TP, put TP in dev mode, novaterm
Jul 12 00:06:37 <AtomicPlayboy> Not working
Jul 12 00:06:40 <cryptk> make sure you have the most up-to-date novaterm installed
Jul 12 00:07:00 <AtomicPlayboy> Where would I find that? Is the one on the wiki out-of-date?
Jul 12 00:07:12 <cryptk> from HP
Jul 12 00:07:19 <AtomicPlayboy> Yeah, it's throwing exceptions
Jul 12 00:07:34 <scoutcamper> AtomicPlayboy, install the 3.0 SDK
Jul 12 00:07:39 <AtomicPlayboy> It's installed
Jul 12 00:07:40 <AtomicPlayboy> x64
Jul 12 00:07:47 <cryptk> windows or linux?
Jul 12 00:07:51 <AtomicPlayboy> Windows, sorry
Jul 12 00:08:02 <AtomicPlayboy> The novaterm java program runs, but doesn't connect me to anything
Jul 12 00:08:17 <scoutcamper> AtomicPlayboy, try doing, from CMD, novacom -t open tty://
Jul 12 00:08:19 <AtomicPlayboy> I just have a blank terminal with "Tryin g...."
Jul 12 00:08:29 <cryptk> there is a novaterm java program?
Jul 12 00:08:40 <AtomicPlayboy> Yeah, the one that comes with the SDK
Jul 12 00:08:41 <cryptk> I am a linux guy, I'm not gonna be of much help to you
Jul 12 00:09:37 <AtomicPlayboy> "login using a password required"
Jul 12 00:09:56 <scoutcamper> ??
Jul 12 00:09:58 <AtomicPlayboy> Ah, got it
Jul 12 00:10:18 <AtomicPlayboy> If you set a devmode password you need -c login and -r {password}
Jul 12 00:10:42 <AtomicPlayboy> novaterm -c login -r blahblahblah pt open tty://
Jul 12 00:10:47 <AtomicPlayboy> ERr -t
Jul 12 00:10:50 <cryptk> I thought you were getting exceptions
Jul 12 00:10:57 <AtomicPlayboy> I was using the wrong novaterm
Jul 12 00:11:00 <cryptk> ahh
Jul 12 00:11:07 <dwc-> mmm, java exceptions
Jul 12 00:11:25 <AtomicPlayboy> Well
Jul 12 00:11:26 <AtomicPlayboy> Crap
Jul 12 00:11:41 <dwc-> uninstall the old one
Jul 12 00:11:53 <AtomicPlayboy> Yeah, I"m gonna uninstall everything and start from scratch
Jul 12 00:11:57 <AtomicPlayboy> Something's stepping on something here
Jul 12 00:12:17 <dwc-> format and reinstall
Jul 12 00:12:40 <AtomicPlayboy> rm -rf /
Jul 12 00:19:19 <dwc-> sure, if you have cygwin or MKS
Jul 12 00:23:26 <AtomicPlayboy> Umm
Jul 12 00:28:17 <AtomicPlayboy> Alright, I'm missing something
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