**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jul 19 02:59:56 2011 Jul 19 03:12:14 PatrickC: scoutcamper: thanks for your helps, it is doctoring now. Jul 19 03:12:22 cool Jul 19 03:12:39 bb Jul 19 03:22:12 safe to come out now? Jul 19 03:25:21 nope Jul 19 03:25:31 never Jul 19 03:36:18 yay kindle app! :) Jul 19 05:49:54 kindle's enyo only, right? Jul 19 05:50:04 yep Jul 19 05:50:14 US-only too Jul 19 07:06:52 Any ideas whom i should talk to in order to get a Developer device? Jul 19 07:07:14 i discussed my idea a couple of weeks ago, porting ubuntu to the HP Touchpad Jul 19 07:10:50 shadeslayer: you mean like this: http://twitpic.com/5rg5rr ? Jul 19 07:12:12 rwhitby: is that ubuntu running natively? Jul 19 07:12:22 doesn't look like it Jul 19 07:12:25 shadeslayer: chroot Jul 19 07:12:41 rendering on Xsdl Jul 19 07:13:07 rwhitby: i was thinking of presenting the user a choice on the initial boot Jul 19 07:13:36 then running ubuntu natively when the user chooses ubuntu Jul 19 07:13:36 why? Jul 19 07:13:57 i.e. what's the downside of a chroot rendering to X in a full-screen card? Jul 19 07:15:57 does the chroot save all your configs when you logout/close it? Jul 19 07:16:44 it's a persistent disk partition, so yes. Jul 19 07:18:17 rwhitby: isn't the performance affected because there are effectively 2 operating systems running? Jul 19 07:21:19 it's a chroot on the same kernel Jul 19 07:21:53 of course a native X port to the hardware would be more efficient. What X backend are you going to use? Jul 19 07:25:15 X Backend? i don't get your question Jul 19 07:26:14 you mean XRender or OpenGL or OpenGLES ? Jul 19 07:26:39 which hardware driver? Jul 19 07:26:53 how will you talk to the Adreno 220 Jul 19 07:39:19 interestingly there is no packaged driver for that in the ubuntu archives, i'll have to dig deeper Jul 19 07:42:22 anyway, https://developer.palm.com/content/resources/develop/developer_device_program.html has the email address to request devices. It'll be interesting to see if they give out a device for someone to completely replace webOS on it :) Jul 19 07:42:46 hehe :P Jul 19 07:43:16 btw i'm fairly certain the linaro guys will have a driver for that chip Jul 19 07:43:33 shadeslayer: if you find one, please let us know Jul 19 07:43:40 will do Jul 19 07:43:48 we currently just do http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/UbuntuChroot Jul 19 07:44:01 yep, saw that Jul 19 08:01:45 rwhitby: i did manage to find a fb driver :P Jul 19 08:02:07 or something that looks like a fb driver for adreno gpu's Jul 19 08:02:37 dtzWill: ^^ Jul 19 08:03:45 in the linaro kernel, its located at : ./drivers/staging/msm/msm_fb.c ... with a comment that says : . /* The adreno GPU hardware requires that the pitch be aligned to ... Jul 19 13:00:44 so, how would I partition my pre2 for linux? Jul 19 13:01:01 the guide says to use some ext3fs to mount, but that doesnt exist Jul 19 13:01:36 You need a large-enough ext3fs partition created with Meta-Doctor mounted at /media/ext3fs Jul 19 13:01:48 but--- theres nothing on how to create it with the md Jul 19 13:03:13 that's an exercise for the reader. all the info is there if you read the pages Jul 19 13:03:44 i see, must google Jul 19 13:03:57 you won't find anything about it on google Jul 19 13:04:27 what do you recommend for the partition size? Jul 19 13:04:54 depends what you want to do with it Jul 19 13:05:04 do the ubuntu chroot Jul 19 13:05:17 that takes 100MB before you start installing apps Jul 19 13:09:40 rwhitby: how much of an advantage is there to creating a new ext3fs partition instead of creating an ext3fs image file and mounting that at /media/ext3fs? Jul 19 13:10:20 elpollodiabo1: /media/ext3fs doesn't cause a problem for the USB drive Jul 19 13:10:54 (when mounted from a separate partition) Jul 19 13:11:56 matbee: my touchpad has used 2.14GB in the ext3fs partition (out of 8GB). Jul 19 13:12:03 so there's an upper limit for you Jul 19 13:13:00 would mounting an image that is stored on /media/internal cause issues for setting up ubuntu chroot? Jul 19 13:13:15 no, but will cause issues for USB mode Jul 19 13:13:48 what kidn of issues? would I have to unmount it before I go into usb mode? Jul 19 13:13:55 yes Jul 19 13:14:08 for OTA too Jul 19 13:15:31 oh alright not that big of a deal for me I want to test out the ubuntu chroot but dont want to repartition and resize. because I dont know how often I will actually be using that. so mounting an image would be a good way to test it out? Jul 19 13:18:51 yep Jul 19 13:19:05 performance will be a little slower of course Jul 19 13:19:06 thanks Jul 19 13:19:20 for testing purposes I can deal with that Jul 19 13:19:53 rwhitby, thanks Jul 19 13:22:35 rwhitby - I did the Sprint Pre 2 process last week and want to be able to use my Pre- as a development device. Do I just meta doctor with the GSM Pre Plus doctor removing the device check? Jul 19 13:23:08 what hardware is in your Pre- ? Jul 19 13:23:26 It was an unlocked GSM Pre 2, it's got the comm board from that Jul 19 13:23:58 So it's a sprint pre with an pre 2 gsm comms board? Jul 19 13:24:08 use the meta-script that is designed for that Jul 19 13:24:29 (and please add it to the wiki page like the last person who asked me didn't) Jul 19 13:25:45 I'm presuming you want me to update the Sprint Pre 2 page. I was considering updating it to reflect that you don't need to run the meta script if your Pre- is already at 2.1.0 but Rich Dunbar thought that might confuse people. Jul 19 13:26:15 AStice: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_2_Upgrade Jul 19 13:29:59 where would i edit the meta doctor to add my carrier's data/3g address? pda.bell.ca Jul 19 13:30:19 the APN Jul 19 13:33:32 Anyone with a Ubuntu chroot installation can tell me what's your content of /etc/apt/sources.list? I accidentally replaced it. Jul 19 13:34:02 matbee: depends on the webOS version Jul 19 13:34:12 2.1.0, actually Jul 19 13:34:26 I'm getting -very- tired of entering it in each time Jul 19 13:35:00 it's documented in the Makefile, like everything else Jul 19 13:35:47 really? Jul 19 13:36:36 pc-world: deb http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports natty main universe Jul 19 13:37:28 thanks Rod Jul 19 13:44:01 INFO: Trenchcoat: CPU-specific initialization failed Jul 19 13:44:03 guh Jul 19 13:44:07 i hate these doctors Jul 19 13:45:24 linux? Jul 19 13:45:28 yeah Jul 19 13:45:35 openjdk? Jul 19 13:45:42 actually yes Jul 19 13:47:00 so what youre saying is, install sun-java6-jre Jul 19 13:47:26 I believe so Jul 19 13:47:42 I can never get it to doctor right Jul 19 13:47:46 with openjdk Jul 19 13:48:43 matbee: what's the error before that? Jul 19 13:48:50 that would explain why it failed at home as well Jul 19 13:49:15 in fact I get that same exact error Jul 19 13:49:40 I just tried over and over at home until it worked Jul 19 13:50:26 rwhitby, I'll let you know once it happens again-- log has been cleared Jul 19 13:50:56 matbee: https://twitter.com/webosinternals/status/93307355114119168 Jul 19 13:53:41 hi all. can I ask you a question? That is how to restart a service. Jul 19 13:54:12 stop service ; start service Jul 19 13:54:27 assuming you're referring to upstart Jul 19 13:55:18 Loudergood, I used sun-java6 instead of openjdk and it worked... Jul 19 13:56:16 ok, thanks rwhitby. I will try it. Jul 19 13:59:05 sorry, I got a error while I'm trying to stop ca.canucksoftware.mplayer service. Jul 19 13:59:49 an error occured also while I type : stop mplayer Jul 19 14:01:12 what error? Jul 19 14:01:56 that's: stop: (54216/649399376) Job not changed: ca.canucksoftware.mplayer Jul 19 14:02:08 Is that all right? Jul 19 14:03:30 you should ask Jason Jul 19 14:05:50 how to write an empty image file for use with Ubuntu chroot? tried with: Jul 19 14:05:50 dd if=/dev/zero of=ubuntu.img bs=1024 count=1048576 Jul 19 14:05:50 but I can't mount it ("mount: mounting /dev/loop2 on /media/ext3fs failed: Invalid argument") Jul 19 14:08:06 ah nuts Jul 19 14:08:23 bypass first use app skips adding a palm profile? Jul 19 14:08:30 what was your mount command? Jul 19 14:09:16 matbee: yes Jul 19 14:09:26 how do i manually add one Jul 19 14:09:33 elpollodiabo1: mount -o loop /media/internal/ubuntu.img /media/ext3fs Jul 19 14:09:47 matbee: go into device info app, reset it and then login Jul 19 14:09:52 matbee: or use Impostah Jul 19 14:10:05 Today I installed mplayer on my pixi, but it didn't work well when I play a video which has a 640x360 resolution. Then I pass ARGs to the mplayer, it's better than what it' was. the ARGs is : -vfm ffmpeg -pp 6 -ao sdl -vo sdl+opengl -fps 15 -framedrop Jul 19 14:10:50 impostah it is Jul 19 14:11:01 matbee: then better use the first option ;) Jul 19 14:11:24 Impostah is only in the testing feeds (I think) and it may not be 100% stable Jul 19 14:12:30 yeah, "activation" just sits with a spinner Jul 19 14:12:34 ah nuts Jul 19 14:13:01 so I want to add the ARGs to /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/services/ca.canucksoftware.mplayer/mplayer-assistant.js, line 77. Jul 19 14:13:20 divilis: and where's your problem? Jul 19 14:13:38 that's why I want to restart the mplayer service. Jul 19 14:13:41 Ohhh mplayer on the pixi Jul 19 14:13:50 pc-world: did you do mkfs.ext3 command? Jul 19 14:14:12 divilis: just do a Luna reboot after editing Jul 19 14:14:23 elpollodiabo1: err... no :) Jul 19 14:14:46 elpollodiabo1: where is this command? Jul 19 14:15:18 http://www.loadyourself.com/linux/creating-using-ext3-filesystem-images/ Jul 19 14:15:20 ok, thanks. There is no other way. I'll do a reboot right now. Jul 19 14:15:44 that is what I am basing my creation of an empty ext3 image off of Jul 19 14:16:01 divilis: "stop LunaSysMgr ; start LunaSysMgr" Jul 19 14:16:05 I havent actually completed the process but that looks pretty accurate to me Jul 19 14:16:44 wow, I rebooted. Jul 19 14:17:57 Is there a webos local terminal emulator or ssh client? Jul 19 14:18:15 i did install open ssh and such Jul 19 14:18:22 Yes, Xecutah. Jul 19 14:18:34 pc-world: I just mounted mine and it seems to have mounted successfully for me. now I just need to set up the ubuntu chroot Jul 19 14:18:40 elpollodiabo1: thanks! Jul 19 14:19:07 you should generate a KEY for ssh. Jul 19 14:19:15 RichT23: I recommend SDLTerminal for webOS 2, has some good features http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/278511-sdlterminal.html Jul 19 14:19:38 RichT23: for webOS 1.4.5 "Terminal" is the best (unfortunately doesn't work on webOS 2) Jul 19 14:19:39 I like the Terminal better. Jul 19 14:19:50 pc-world: have you tried Xecutah ? Jul 19 14:20:07 works on all webOS versions and all webOS devices Jul 19 14:21:19 rwhitby: yes, pretty nice, but what I miss are key bindings (tab character) - can I find them somewhere? Jul 19 14:21:35 I shall investergat Xecutah and Terminal then as the Pixi only supports 1.x Jul 19 14:22:16 rwhitby: is Xecutah self build only then? Jul 19 14:22:26 RichT23: it's in the testing feeds Jul 19 14:22:29 ~testing-feeds Jul 19 14:22:30 i guess testing-feeds is a means of testing new WebOS Internals products, documented at http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Testing_Feeds Jul 19 14:22:32 i was just looking at the page on the ins wiki Jul 19 14:22:46 rwhitby: cool Jul 19 14:22:48 thanks Jul 19 14:23:29 I might give the guide to building ago any how Jul 19 14:23:32 pc-world: yeah, we need work on the key mappings Jul 19 14:23:35 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:X Jul 19 14:23:49 i di fancy rebuilding libpurple and such for the messageing Jul 19 14:23:52 those are the key mappings ofr Pre, Pre 2, and pixi I think with sticky keys and more Jul 19 14:24:51 most of the keymapping for Pre,Pre2 and such are done and working pretty well, some minor tweaks are needed, it seems like the TP keymappings are what needs the most work Jul 19 14:24:55 OMg you have built X as well Jul 19 14:25:04 dam i need to do some more reading up Jul 19 14:25:05 elpollodiabo1: so what's "Control-i"? Jul 19 14:25:12 sym Jul 19 14:25:18 ignore that Jul 19 14:25:24 doesn't work on Xecutah/XServer Jul 19 14:25:35 it is gesture Jul 19 14:25:39 that gives me a "<" (QWERTZ) Jul 19 14:25:44 or I believe sym space works Jul 19 14:25:49 oh thanks gesture bar works :) Jul 19 14:25:57 you should really look at some of the gui / CLI tools used in Puppy Linux Jul 19 14:26:20 there are some very light weight and powerfull gui tools Jul 19 14:26:34 hey pc-world Jul 19 14:27:15 PatrickC: hi :) Jul 19 14:27:24 get my email(s)? Jul 19 14:27:49 yes, thanks :) Jul 19 14:27:57 np Jul 19 14:28:07 I <3 the app :D Jul 19 14:28:18 nice to hear Jul 19 14:28:35 how close is it to release? Jul 19 14:28:48 rwhitby: I know Xecutah is in alpha, but the "Xecutah request acknowledged" message is a bit annoying ;) Jul 19 14:29:02 I'm preparing a dev env on ubutun. but when I did: make stage , it stop at. checking for XTST... configure: error: Package requirements (x11 xext >= 1.0.99.4 xi recordproto >= 1.13.99.1 xextproto >= 7.0.99.3 inputproto) were not met Jul 19 14:29:07 I was thinking that too Jul 19 14:29:15 pc-world: indeed. even more annoying is when it doesn't appear and the service hangs and you don't know why Jul 19 14:29:59 rwhitby: ok that's right too Jul 19 14:30:01 It seems that I miss two packages: xext & xi. Jul 19 14:30:30 divilis: what are you talking about? WI PDK? Jul 19 14:30:54 yes. Jul 19 14:31:17 I wouldn't recommend it. It took me about 20-30h to get it compiled :D Jul 19 14:31:30 rather take the OS X PDK and install it on Ubuntu Jul 19 14:31:37 pretty easy, there are some tutorials around Jul 19 14:31:51 wow, I have downloaded everything I need. Jul 19 14:32:53 divilis: have luck with compiling ;) Jul 19 14:33:15 I have a method to fix this issue. Just export two VAR: XTST_LIBS="/usr/local/lib/libXtst.so" XTST_CFLAGS=" -g -O2" Jul 19 14:33:16 there's a bunch of useful PDK stuff if you install the touchpad SDK Jul 19 14:33:42 But I will got another problem. Jul 19 14:34:12 divilis: ah, you're just compiling X? Jul 19 14:34:41 nop Jul 19 14:37:02 once I fix that error in that way, I get another error: CMake Error at CMakeLists.txt:203 (message): Jul 19 14:37:03 Missing library: Xtst Jul 19 14:37:54 again, I recommend you installing the OS X PDK on Ubuntu with some hacking ;) Jul 19 14:38:13 divilis: what OS are you doing this one? Jul 19 14:38:54 Ubuntu 10.10 Jul 19 14:38:57 I was pretty sure the 3.0 SDK includes a linux pdk Jul 19 14:39:06 Loudergood: I don't think so Jul 19 14:39:27 Chuq told me they have not the resources to build a Linux PDK Jul 19 14:39:40 divilis: oh alright I just installed with WIDK on 11.04 by just following the wiki Jul 19 14:39:55 like a week ago Jul 19 14:40:15 I need a little help, if someone would be so kind. I just meta-doctored my verizon pre 2 to webos 2.1.0, and I don't see a First Use app, so I don't know how to sign in to my Palm Profile. Any help would be much appreciated. Jul 19 14:40:33 ok, so, I should upgrade my ubuntu to version 11.04 Jul 19 14:41:17 mooneroid: just go to device info app and reset it, pretty easy Jul 19 14:41:45 I'm still on Ubuntu 10.10 and don't want to update because I don't want more bugs than I have right now Jul 19 14:42:07 And I have a question: can we install pdk on gentoo linux. because my host OS is gentoo. Jul 19 14:42:45 divilis: you can use the OS X PDK on any Linux x86 OS I think Jul 19 14:42:55 divilis: and WIDK should work too Jul 19 14:43:19 divilis: you should talk to PuffTheMagic Jul 19 14:43:26 (but there could be incompatiblities with other packages on Gentoo, I think Ubuntu/Debian is recommended for WIDK) Jul 19 14:43:45 divilis: no support for anything other than Ubuntu 11.04 for the WIDK. Jul 19 14:45:13 so, currently, ubuntu 11.04 is the best choice. Jul 19 14:45:16 * rwhitby bbt Jul 19 14:46:19 pc-world: there's an /opt/PalmPDK in the 3.0 sdk Jul 19 14:46:23 I would install ubuntu in my VirtualBox. Jul 19 14:47:02 dwc-: really? that would be amazing! in the .deb file? Jul 19 14:47:09 correct Jul 19 14:47:16 wow Jul 19 14:47:58 so it finally achieved to annoy the dev relations team about a Linux PDK all the time Jul 19 14:48:35 didn't need the final webOS 3 SDK yet, that's why I didn't try it, but I'll definitely give it a try Jul 19 14:49:36 now they just have to release a distro-independent SDK Jul 19 14:50:44 hmm, they still mention they don't support the PDK on Linux: Jul 19 14:50:44 "but be aware that PDK development is not currently supported on Linux" (https://developer.palm.com/content/resources/develop/sdk_pdk_download.html) Jul 19 14:54:48 , Jul 19 14:55:02 pc-world: still no first-use app. i did notice bypass_first_use was set in the meta-doctor options. but when i've done it before there was always a first-use app to tap on. Jul 19 14:55:21 sup Jul 19 14:55:23 mooneroid: yes, but it's not working in webOS 2 Jul 19 14:55:32 touchpad on plane is fun Jul 19 14:55:44 so is wifi on plane Jul 19 14:55:45 pc-world: so how do i log in to my profile? Jul 19 14:56:01 so try the second option: Impostah Jul 19 14:56:11 for the record, impostah didn't work for me Jul 19 14:56:12 install Preware if you haven't, enable the testing feeds, install Impostah Jul 19 14:56:23 (I haven't tested this) Jul 19 14:56:29 or just doctor again without this option ;) Jul 19 14:56:42 i had to resest/remove all apps to login to my profile Jul 19 14:57:05 mooneroid: when resetting, the Palm Profile thing should appear after the reboot, but I'm not sure what happens with this meta-doctor option Jul 19 14:57:13 the bypass option was set by default. i assumed (bad idea) that meant it was ok. Jul 19 14:57:28 matbee: I think that's what he did. Jul 19 14:57:42 mooneroid: so what happened after rebooting? Jul 19 14:57:56 (wait a min, I'll look up what setting this option actually changes) Jul 19 14:58:12 it comes up with the default set of apps, doesn't ask me to log in to my profile. Jul 19 14:58:36 ok wait a min Jul 19 14:58:59 (annoyed that I never find the meta-doctor wiki page via Google) Jul 19 14:59:11 i do have preware installed. Jul 19 15:00:21 webOS 2.1.0, right? Jul 19 15:00:24 matbee: tell me more about the reset/remove all apps. verizon pre 2 meta-doctor to 2.1.0? did you also have bypass_first_use set? what happened after the reset? Jul 19 15:01:00 pc-world: yes, 2.1.0 Jul 19 15:01:01 mooneroid: open a terminal, go to this: /usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.firstuse/app/controllers/ Jul 19 15:01:07 cd /usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.firstuse/app/controllers/ Jul 19 15:01:10 ls -la Jul 19 15:01:13 mooneroid, unlocked Pre 2 - meta-doctor 2.1.0 - I had to "erase apps and data" Jul 19 15:01:18 divilis: ya it works on gentoo Jul 19 15:01:25 everything works on gentoo Jul 19 15:01:25 and look if there's a file like "app-assistant.js.webosinternals.orig" Jul 19 15:01:52 cant believe you need to ask :-) Jul 19 15:02:02 matbee: thanks. i'm going to try what pc-world is telling me first, then i'll try that. Jul 19 15:02:06 yep Jul 19 15:02:22 magic works on gentoo Jul 19 15:02:28 pc-world: installing a terminal. Jul 19 15:02:30 hi Puffy Jul 19 15:02:52 mooneroid: or just use novaterm/-com if you have it installed on your pc ;) Jul 19 15:02:54 So, what is the start point. Jul 19 15:05:04 novaterm works wonders Jul 19 15:05:26 yeah it does :) Jul 19 15:05:49 Puffy_tp: hi, is that there. Jul 19 15:06:09 pc-world: no webosinternals.orig files at all in that directory. Jul 19 15:06:21 is there a way to launch the app from novaterm? Jul 19 15:06:28 could you pastebin the contents of that file? Jul 19 15:06:40 not sure, but if you have the webOS SDK installed you can do that via palm-launch Jul 19 15:08:13 pc-world: yeah, that's what i was looking for. it's running the gesture tutorial now though, so i think it still skipped logging in. Jul 19 15:09:20 run this: Jul 19 15:09:20 cat app-assistant.js | grep "tutorialOnly = false;//!PalmSystem.isMinimal" Jul 19 15:09:23 does it find sth? Jul 19 15:09:41 how do i start ubuntu's gdm? Jul 19 15:09:50 divilis: start point? Jul 19 15:09:52 its stuck at a terminal atm Jul 19 15:10:03 matbee: "start gdm" I think Jul 19 15:10:21 divilis: just follow the wiki its easy Jul 19 15:10:39 divilis: you can also you my gentoo ndk Jul 19 15:10:46 pc-world: tutorialOnly = !PalmSystem.isMinimal; no commented out section. Jul 19 15:10:55 which is based on crossdev and emerge wrappers Jul 19 15:10:57 Puffy_tp: ok. how to do it. Jul 19 15:11:05 which? Jul 19 15:11:21 Puffy_tp: I prefer to install ndk. Jul 19 15:11:43 the official webos-internals one? Jul 19 15:11:50 just clone the repo Jul 19 15:11:52 and start using it Jul 19 15:11:59 like it says on the wiki Jul 19 15:12:03 mooneroid: md5sum app-assistant.js Jul 19 15:12:03 ? Jul 19 15:12:07 Puffy_tp: yes Jul 19 15:12:53 yeah, im not getting a single ubuntu gui Jul 19 15:13:06 Puffy_tp: I did it by following the wiki. Jul 19 15:13:11 so with the BT keyboard is there any way to toggle between cards one you hit the card view Jul 19 15:13:29 "start gdm" says unable to connect to upstart... failed to connect to socket /com/ubuntu/upstart: connection refused Jul 19 15:13:30 mooneroid: did you use a specific script from the scripts folder or did you just run the Makefile? Jul 19 15:13:52 Puffy_tp: but not success. Jul 19 15:13:56 matbee: desktop PC? Jul 19 15:14:07 pre2 Jul 19 15:14:24 via Ubuntu chroot? Jul 19 15:14:29 how are you judging success and what do you expect to happen? Jul 19 15:14:30 yeah Jul 19 15:14:57 oh... would be surprised if it worked properly on the Pre 2 Jul 19 15:15:14 the vanilla xserver starts Jul 19 15:16:12 pc-world: 3652a881bf4c96fb4a8c2204399ff0ee app-assistant.js Jul 19 15:16:28 mooneroid: ok so this file didn't get patched Jul 19 15:16:37 if I could compile the sample app in the wiki, it would be success. Jul 19 15:16:45 im confusing now. Jul 19 15:17:08 divilis: compiling the WIDK should take 30-60 min I think, so it can't be ready ;) Jul 19 15:17:22 mooneroid: did you use a specific script from the scripts folder or did you just run the Makefile? Jul 19 15:18:48 pc-world: i used meta-verizon-pre2-2.1.0 from the scripts folder, but I added the ext3fs option and i think the auto-load-preware option. Jul 19 15:19:12 i don't think i added bypass-first-use, but i'll check again. Jul 19 15:20:06 mooneroid: no you didn't Jul 19 15:20:15 I think the problem is that it uses the "BYPASS_ACTIVATION" option too Jul 19 15:20:22 BYPASS_FIRST_USE_APP shouldn't be the problem Jul 19 15:20:38 "Bypassing activation may prevent you from creating a Palm profile" Jul 19 15:20:53 ok, that makes sense. is there a way to reverse that then? Jul 19 15:22:02 that option is set in the --wifi-only mode, which i didn't do. so i don't know where it would have been set. it's not in my list of args. Jul 19 15:22:29 hmm, BYPASS_ACTIVATION just applies the patch on the app assistant of first use Jul 19 15:22:47 not sure why your file isn't affected Jul 19 15:23:23 go into /var/luna/preferences Jul 19 15:23:30 is there a file called first-use-profile-created? Jul 19 15:23:40 yes. Jul 19 15:23:55 and ran-first-use Jul 19 15:23:57 remove that one, and ran-first-use Jul 19 15:23:59 then reboot Jul 19 15:24:33 (hope it works) Jul 19 15:24:57 so I mean remove first-use-profile-created and ran-first-use Jul 19 15:25:06 me too. the part i love about webos is how everything is fixable. ;) Jul 19 15:25:12 i did, rebooting now. Jul 19 15:25:12 trying to reverse what the Makefile did with the BYPASS_FIRST_USE_APP option Jul 19 15:25:21 good luck Jul 19 15:26:39 divilis: have you ever cross compiled anything? Jul 19 15:26:40 can our ubuntu chroot access our other partitions? Jul 19 15:26:57 matbee: was thinking of the same question Jul 19 15:27:24 maybe we would have to mount /media/internal inside the chroot-wrapper.sh script Jul 19 15:27:51 well i was thinking maybe i could write my webos apps remotely on-device Jul 19 15:28:03 the damn timeouts on the touchpad are so low Jul 19 15:28:11 I cant get my mail Jul 19 15:28:14 instead of packaging-installing the ipk's each time Jul 19 15:28:20 every time I go to a webpage it says no internet Jul 19 15:28:29 but the page loads Jul 19 15:28:33 weird Jul 19 15:28:35 I think I smell a patch brewing Jul 19 15:28:42 matbee: there's another method to do it, I saw some script inside a standard app Jul 19 15:28:57 putting the files via scp on device Jul 19 15:29:01 yeah? Jul 19 15:29:03 hmm Jul 19 15:29:12 mooneroid: did it work? Jul 19 15:30:50 pc-world: logging in to my profile, now restoring data. pretty sure it worked. Jul 19 15:31:02 thanks so much for your help! Jul 19 15:31:20 no problem, I learned something by helping you :) Jul 19 15:32:20 Maybe I could write a nodejs server that can read/write files Jul 19 15:32:47 I think "novacom get" and "novacom put" are just as easy to use Jul 19 15:33:03 nah, i want to hit "save" and open my app on device Jul 19 15:33:09 thats even easier Jul 19 15:34:16 cuz nodejs can watch changes to files, and once a change is made, it can reload the app Jul 19 15:35:18 shit, my phone just crashed while apt-get'ing libreoffice Jul 19 15:35:31 heyooo broken install Jul 19 15:35:34 matbee: my phone crashed too when installing openjdk-6-jre Jul 19 15:35:42 that might be it Jul 19 15:35:46 the script I'm talking about is in /usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.messaging/todevice Jul 19 15:35:59 and OOo needs Java too I think Jul 19 15:36:08 will it not install correctly? Jul 19 15:36:26 todevice script: http://pastebin.com/7SPEQ98W Jul 19 15:36:28 not sure Jul 19 15:36:39 did you get around the problem? Jul 19 15:36:51 but the image was corrupted and I had to create a new img Jul 19 15:37:24 and now I don't find the postinst-script for Ubuntu-chroot to unpack the .tar.gz without having to download again :) Jul 19 15:37:47 Puff_tp: yes. I did not cross compile on linux. Jul 19 15:38:04 but installing openjdk on a Debian image did work Jul 19 15:39:10 its crashing on libreoffice-common Jul 19 15:39:46 pc-world, thanks for that link Jul 19 15:39:54 i think i figured something out Jul 19 15:39:58 and what? Jul 19 15:42:11 rwhitby: A button to unpack the package again in the Ubuntu Chroot app would be cool Jul 19 15:42:52 rwhitby: Because every time I create a new image file I have to download all 60 MB again to get the Ubuntu .tar.gz unpacked Jul 19 15:42:55 pc-world: remove the directory and it will do that Jul 19 15:43:17 when I start the app or when? Jul 19 15:44:42 or use preware to install from a local downloaded copy of the package Jul 19 15:44:42