**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jul 21 02:59:56 2011 Jul 21 03:42:23 ...droppin webos 2 Jul 21 08:28:42 WHAT? Jul 21 08:28:55 OIL! Why will you not let this man call his next hack Launchah? Jul 21 08:29:49 lol Jul 21 08:32:12 hahaha Jul 21 08:32:23 HAH! Jul 21 08:32:35 * rwhitby rests his case. Jul 21 08:32:59 because adding -ah to the end of the app name is lazy Jul 21 08:33:05 and overused Jul 21 08:33:15 ending -ah to the end of your mom is lazy Jul 21 08:33:17 and overused Jul 21 08:33:20 probably Jul 21 08:37:30 Adora: I could have made it configurable with some extra work (would have required a service, yada ydada), but I really wanted lots of TouchPads to have "HOMEBREW" written at the top all the time :) Jul 21 08:38:07 heh Jul 21 08:39:32 HAHA! Jul 21 08:39:39 morning Jul 21 08:39:44 rwhitby: you are evil and brilliant Jul 21 08:40:15 I saw all of this stuff about "-ah" and was trying to figure out where it was coming from, since #webos is SILENT. (Except for the kittens.) Jul 21 08:40:28 your tweet made me come here, rwhitby :) Jul 21 08:40:31 hi adroa Jul 21 08:40:35 adora even Jul 21 08:41:52 Adora: I was considering making it "GAMES" and "HIJACKS" ... ;) Jul 21 08:42:03 w00t -> http://twitter.com/#!/Garrett92C/statuses/93958498227994625 Jul 21 08:42:12 FOL Jul 21 08:42:15 rwhitby: bwahahaha Jul 21 08:42:24 you got that all straightened out, yeah? Jul 21 08:42:40 Adora: yep Jul 21 08:42:54 maybe teh hijacks are kinda like teh lolz Jul 21 08:44:33 I still vote we rename Preware to Prewah Jul 21 08:44:41 I second. Jul 21 08:44:47 hehe Jul 21 08:45:05 Can we get the Homestar Runner dude to say the names, too? :D Jul 21 08:45:17 or perhaps have it be random on launch... 1% chance that when you launch it, the top bar will say Prewah... with a sub text of "Because the -ah is NOT overused" Jul 21 08:45:46 or better yet... Prewah with "Because Adora said so" Jul 21 08:46:05 Adora: the other reason I did this is cause I needed a good TouchPad homebrew patch screenshot for my talk next week .. Jul 21 08:46:36 I love that logic Jul 21 08:47:08 "I need a good homebrew screenshot for this talk... should I use one of the many many things we have already made??? nah... I'll make a new one" Jul 21 08:47:52 right on Jul 21 08:48:55 Alright webOS-peeps, I'm off to bed. Good night! Jul 21 08:49:17 nn Jul 21 08:49:27 I should be but I need to see if the latest script wipes out /media/internal or not. Jul 21 08:49:42 installing "add launcher tabs" patch Jul 21 08:49:53 it's not technically a patch Jul 21 08:50:06 how is it done? (without looking at the source code) Jul 21 08:50:15 it's a linux script Jul 21 08:50:26 it modifies the binary? Jul 21 08:51:20 hey, there's no german version! Jul 21 08:51:30 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS3.0_Launcher_Tweaks Jul 21 08:51:34 that's the technique Jul 21 08:51:36 anwendungen | downloads | favoriten | games | homebrew | einstellungen Jul 21 08:51:54 needs translations! Jul 21 08:52:01 games=spiele Jul 21 08:52:09 homebrew=homebrew Jul 21 08:52:34 so it does modify files, but IIRC the modifications are device specific, so it has to be done with a script rather than a patch Jul 21 08:52:54 oh, i see (reading the wiki page) Jul 21 08:53:12 device specific because there are UUID's involved Jul 21 08:54:16 and the magic for that package is at http://git.webos-internals.org/preware/build/tree/linux/add-launcher-tabs Jul 21 08:54:23 in the postinst and prerm files Jul 21 09:54:56 any one know how to display sqlite db in virtuallist? Jul 21 09:56:10 any one pls... :-( Jul 21 10:06:26 hi all Jul 21 12:41:26 morning all Jul 21 13:24:22 if anyone here does patches, I'd love a little help. Jul 21 13:24:24 I'm looking at http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Applying_Patches#Information_for_developing_patches Jul 21 13:24:36 but i'm on windows Jul 21 13:24:48 is all of this stuff done *in* the emulator? Jul 21 13:25:22 or is there someplace I can pull down the webOS 3.0 rootFS clean to do my patch against? Jul 21 13:25:42 (my patch got rejected because it didn't apply--which makes sense. I did it by hand.) Jul 21 13:43:26 The "Add Launcher Pages" patch isn't showing up for me in Preware... any idea why? Jul 21 13:43:47 ...wait... it's not a patch... is it? D'oh. Jul 21 13:44:36 btw, i think i've answered my own question by going ahead and just trying it Jul 21 14:18:19 interesting Jul 21 14:18:36 i created my patch in quilt, but then popping and pushing it fails Jul 21 14:18:50 it says "unrecognized option `--unified' Jul 21 14:19:15 and it says the patch does not apply Jul 21 14:27:35 the patch is to attempt to create a file, is that not possible? Jul 21 14:36:47 anyone? Jul 21 14:37:32 (quilt's generated patch actually looks exactly like the one i made before...) Jul 21 14:51:49 I'm going to go do other things for a while, but in case anyone *can* help, the patch is this: Jul 21 14:51:50 http://pastie.org/private/zvymzxephouvazsdekq Jul 21 14:52:15 attempting to push it on quilt says "does not apply (enforce with -f)" Jul 21 14:52:23 attempting to force says "appears to be empty" Jul 21 14:52:25 whitespace issue? Jul 21 14:52:51 Which whitespace? Jul 21 14:52:53 hm, no idea Jul 21 14:53:17 perhaps dev/null missing? :D Jul 21 14:53:27 lol Jul 21 14:53:30 i hope not Jul 21 14:57:48 just be aware Jul 21 14:57:50 Warning: This page is deprecated Jul 21 14:59:29 patch --dry-run -i download\?key\=zvymzxephouvazsdekq Jul 21 14:59:29 patching file increase_volume.sh Jul 21 14:59:29 patch unexpectedly ends in middle of line Jul 21 14:59:29 patch: **** malformed patch at line 14: Jul 21 15:00:10 (at least as downloaded from pastie) Jul 21 15:02:20 mine appears to be complaining about no eol at the end of the file Jul 21 15:02:34 hm... Jul 21 15:04:02 interestingly enough, doing patch -i with the original file works--outputs "creating increase-volume.sh" Jul 21 15:04:31 wonder if that's a pastie thing then Jul 21 15:06:38 ... odd. patch -i put the file in / Jul 21 15:06:53 -p0 Jul 21 15:07:09 and patch -p 0 -i complains that /var/palm/event.d doesn't exist... Jul 21 15:08:01 on the phone? Jul 21 15:08:13 On a TP emulator Jul 21 15:08:16 actually Jul 21 15:08:29 ahh Jul 21 15:09:06 it is clearly there, and i'm in the root dir Jul 21 15:10:23 oh man... busybox 'diff' reads the input file one character at a time Jul 21 15:11:10 write(1, "creating /var/palm/event.d/incre"..., 46creating /var/palm/event.d/increase_volume.sh Jul 21 15:11:14 ) = 46 Jul 21 15:11:16 stat64("", 0x9ed22a90) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) Jul 21 15:11:19 mkdir("", 0777) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) Jul 21 15:11:22 write(2, "patch: mkpath '/var/palm/event.d"..., 61patch: mkpath '/var/palm/event.d': No such file or directory Jul 21 15:11:25 ) = 61 Jul 21 15:11:27 it's trying to stat and mkdir "" not /var/palm/event.d Jul 21 15:11:29 exit_group(1) = ? Jul 21 15:11:32 interesting.... Jul 21 15:11:56 is this not a problem with my patch then? Jul 21 15:12:23 I'm making the usually correct assumption that there's just a lot of stuff I don't know Jul 21 15:12:47 I think it looks fine. Jul 21 15:13:12 at least, after I fixed those other things that might be pastie's doing Jul 21 15:19:38 ::nods:: not sure what pastie did--it might be crlf or something Jul 21 16:07:31 woo...that crash screwed up the chroot good Jul 21 16:12:17 time to uninstall and reinstall it with preware and see what happens Jul 21 16:13:38 it wasn't data loss/corruption so much as a crash during apt/dpkg stuff Jul 21 16:13:49 I could've probably fixed it in about an hour Jul 21 16:14:14 I assume I'm the last man on the planet that uses preware on a pre+ without webos 2 Jul 21 16:14:31 probably Jul 21 16:14:53 so removing the chroot didn't fix it Jul 21 16:15:02 guess I have to wipe it Jul 21 16:17:31 what's your issue Loudergood? Jul 21 16:21:12 using the ubuntu chroot, I managed to crash it at just the right time to break apt/dpkg Jul 21 16:22:25 I will admit though, I haven't put webos 2.1 on my gf's pre+ either Jul 21 16:29:08 I can't even get optware to work now Jul 21 16:29:41 that's odd Jul 21 16:30:23 last update to optware bootstrap wiped all my optware packages and nothing works right anymore on "legacy" 1.4.5 Jul 21 16:33:07 krushia_, sounds like you hit the cryptofs bug Jul 21 16:33:21 uninstall all optware packages, reboot, and reinstall Jul 21 16:34:51 thing is, I don't even have ipkg-opt anymore Jul 21 16:36:50 uninstall all optware packages from preware* Jul 21 16:52:51 THE DAYSTAR IT BURNSSS Jul 21 16:57:47 huh? lol Jul 21 17:00:44 i'm in DC, it is apparently 97 degrees Jul 21 17:00:58 it'll be even worse tomorrow Jul 21 17:01:52 lol Jul 21 17:01:56 so don't go into the sun Jul 21 17:03:40 that is my plan. It just won't work for the commutes :) Jul 21 17:04:22 rarely does Jul 21 17:04:35 I'm having light rain today and a high of 72? Jul 21 17:04:36 i think Jul 21 17:05:56 nah i take that back Jul 21 17:05:57 high of 63f Jul 21 17:05:59 with rain Jul 21 17:09:59 mmmm....102 already @ 10am Jul 21 17:11:57 nice Jul 21 17:12:09 wow Jul 21 17:12:19 Damm: wow.. where? Jul 21 17:12:41 PatrickC, Seattle Jul 21 17:12:48 ah Jul 21 17:13:13 I want to move where you are. Ooh, and then I could work for Amazon. Jul 21 17:13:40 why Amazon? Jul 21 17:14:22 ... well, mostly because they're the biggest tech employer I know of there. Also because their IaaS stuff is pretty awesome Jul 21 17:14:23 I work for Engine Yard Jul 21 17:14:24 lol Jul 21 17:14:28 but then again I work from home Jul 21 17:15:19 pigsflew: umm.. HP? :) Jul 21 17:19:17 ... Right. Jul 21 17:19:20 Carry on. Jul 21 17:20:50 Also, apparently my geography of the areas around Seattle is poor. Didn't realize Redmond is so close Jul 21 17:23:05 but if i was going to work for HP i'd want to go to Sunnyvale and work on the stuff I care most about :) Jul 21 17:29:59 the Google Seattle/Kirkland office is pretty big too, iirc Jul 21 17:53:27 hello, i have an hp touchpad, with web os 3.0, i need to bypass activation and the untructions on hps site do not work Jul 21 17:55:52 can anyone spread somelight Jul 21 18:38:49 "fixed" the rsync backup page. Jul 21 18:44:01 but this makes the palm profile (atleast for 1.4.5 devices) not just useless. Jul 21 18:51:48 but, atleast, with WebOS 1.x you could retrieve the your data from a "cold" backup, as it was stored in a sqlite3 database. Jul 21 18:52:40 under webos 2.x the data is kept "locked" inside the db8 databases which, for the time being, are readable only by the device. Jul 21 18:52:46 talk about "open". Jul 21 19:02:17 polling again, anyone have att plan tips? the prices are crazy Jul 21 19:02:39 i'm especially jaded since (looking to, anyway) jumping ship from a big family plan with my friends over at sprint... Jul 21 19:10:55 no, i'm sorry. Jul 21 19:11:04 (i'm from italy) Jul 21 19:12:55 hmm no verizon veer? boo Jul 21 19:14:06 dtzWill: leavin sprint for pre3? Jul 21 19:14:33 PatrickC: for any new webos phone, yes. Jul 21 19:14:35 looking at it anyway. Jul 21 19:14:47 but no pre3 coming is the last straw Jul 21 19:14:48 lol Jul 21 19:15:32 yeah.. Jul 21 19:15:42 I'm gettin ready to frankenpre2 Jul 21 19:15:52 * Mousey wishes there was another sprint pre Jul 21 19:15:55 sigh. Jul 21 19:16:05 * PatrickC *sighs* Jul 21 19:16:15 Mousey: me to... me too... Jul 21 19:18:41 I'm really happy with Verizon for the most part Jul 21 19:19:18 they kinda screwed me with the Pre+ GPS thing, but they stopped doing that Jul 21 19:21:36 aaaaaaaand univ discount doesn't apply to veer?? o_O Jul 21 19:21:45 when use univ discount page, veer ins't listed. ffs lol Jul 21 19:25:01 frankenpre2 rofl Jul 21 19:25:12 oh this is bad Jul 21 19:27:56 that's sad I got my Veer for 50$ Jul 21 19:31:00 + 3yr contract, right? Jul 21 19:31:20 matbee, no Jul 21 19:31:36 matbee, 2year, we had a saved up coupon and it was on sale at the same time Jul 21 19:31:53 matbee, pre-AT&T fuckover it cost me a little over 50$ to leave the store with the Veer activated Jul 21 19:32:16 matbee, then toss in the billing errors they create when you upgrade plans and your data plans get all billed up twice if your not careful Jul 21 19:32:19 that's the lame part Jul 21 19:32:38 then again AT&T just screwed me over last week by shoving the same payment through my account 3x Jul 21 19:32:48 and actually getting 300$ 3x and now to get it all back Jul 21 19:32:52 and interest Jul 21 19:32:58 yes they're aware of their billing error Jul 21 19:33:03 they did it to thousands of customers Jul 21 19:40:06 * dtzWill applies for veer dev coupon... Jul 21 19:43:59 oh and like I said on twitter, don't leave your veer and touchpad paired up Jul 21 19:44:25 left for downtown (30 minute bus ride) with 40% battery, hit downtown and the veer was dead Jul 21 19:44:34 likely a little battery percentage offness Jul 21 19:44:35 but damn Jul 21 19:44:53 bye all... Jul 21 19:45:49 Damm: o_O that's unfortunate Jul 21 19:45:57 was rather looking forward to leaving them paired :( Jul 21 19:46:46 dtzWill, well the problem is the interference Jul 21 19:46:58 dtzWill, when your traveling it can be a bit of a drain Jul 21 19:47:18 dtzWill, my Veer isn't 3.0 yet, but I really didn't really find the appeal of pairing to be huge yet Jul 21 19:47:25 dtzWill, once it's updated that will likely change Jul 21 19:48:08 the touchstone/etc stuff they showed off doesn't do squat yet Jul 21 19:48:16 and Messaging on the touchpad through the Veer doesn't work for me Jul 21 19:48:24 does voice calls through the veer Jul 21 19:48:35 but meh, that's not really a huge difference Jul 21 20:19:40 anyone feel like making an optware package for sshfs? Jul 21 20:24:27 ssh! ffs! Jul 21 20:26:34 * krushia_ sigs Jul 21 20:26:41 sigh Jul 21 20:27:54 frankly I'm too lazy to set up a development environment for pre+ Jul 21 20:28:18 krushia_: meaning? installing the sdk? Jul 21 20:28:43 tried to build applications on the divide but ran out of root partition space Jul 21 20:29:12 in ubuntu? Jul 21 20:29:43 I'm more of a gentoo guy Jul 21 20:30:43 ah Jul 21 20:30:57 it frustrates me to need a separate computer to compile for a computer Jul 21 20:31:11 make more root space? Jul 21 20:31:25 might try that Jul 21 20:31:57 thinking of updating to webos 2 anyway Jul 21 20:32:50 its worth it Jul 21 20:33:54 Where do I start if I want to get into patch development? Jul 21 20:34:12 krushia_, I know what you mean Jul 21 20:34:27 AStice: lemme get you a link Jul 21 20:34:31 why do I need a computer to compile for another computer Jul 21 20:34:33 that's silly. Jul 21 20:35:28 AStice: ok.. I forget the link Jul 21 20:35:53 basically you take the original file, and the mod'd file.. Jul 21 20:36:01 and lemme get you *that* link :) Jul 21 20:38:28 AStice: http://forums.precentral.net/canuck-coding/210781-unified-diff-creator.html Jul 21 20:44:25 Ok - now that I have a patch file, how would I submit it to preware? Do I have to package it up into the ipk first? Jul 21 20:45:28 nope Jul 21 20:45:35 leave it as a .patch Jul 21 20:45:50 and go to http://patches.webos-internals.org Jul 21 20:49:43 Alright - time to test it out then I'll submit it. How long from submission before it shows up in Preware? Jul 21 20:50:12 a day, maybe a few Jul 21 20:50:22 i've got 1 patch in Jul 21 20:53:07 AStice, it depends on how soon rwhitby looks and approves it Jul 21 20:54:36 hey scoutcamper Jul 21 20:54:43 hola Jul 21 20:55:02 anyone gotten a response about belts yet? Jul 21 20:58:03 oops wrong channel Jul 21 21:00:43 hey cryptk Jul 21 21:01:17 hola Jul 21 21:02:07 hey CLU Jul 21 21:02:08 hello Jul 21 21:02:12 Scoutcamper: rwhitby isn't the only person who works the patch portal Jul 21 21:02:16 ok. did you read the *entire* wiki? Jul 21 21:02:25 the webos 2 upgrade wiki page says att pre+ users will not be able to install webos 2 apps from the catalog. is this still true? Jul 21 21:02:50 krushia_: not sure Jul 21 21:02:57 no not the entire wiki Jul 21 21:03:25 CLU: please read the entire wiki page before trying to do the upgrade Jul 21 21:03:30 sprint pre-? Jul 21 21:03:46 ok. no O2 uk pre. but unlocked it Jul 21 21:03:50 PatrickC: hypocrite. Jul 21 21:03:56 Tibfib_: what? Jul 21 21:04:04 CLU: ok. that's fine Jul 21 21:04:12 "please read the entire wiki page before..." :P Jul 21 21:04:13 still read the entire wiki page please :) Jul 21 21:04:18 Tibfib_: haha Jul 21 21:04:27 yep will do. Jul 21 21:04:33 I got busted for that before, just trying to save others the heartache :P Jul 21 21:04:53 I got kicked because I didn't read the wiki.. and asked questions that were answered on the wiki.. lol Jul 21 21:05:01 thx CLU Jul 21 21:05:19 no problem Jul 21 21:06:10 as ive probably said before im new to webOS but i want a better software version than 1.4.5 Jul 21 21:06:38 that's totally reasonable :) Jul 21 21:06:47 :) Jul 21 21:06:56 I only run 1.4.5 on one of my phones, and that's only for backward testing ;) Jul 21 21:07:40 lol Jul 21 21:08:44 * PatrickC loves webOS Jul 21 21:09:02 webos loves you back, PatrickC Jul 21 21:09:19 yep :) Jul 21 21:09:32 and webos loves rwhitby back tons! :) Jul 21 21:10:29 Just for funzies, I wonder if I can force the touchpad emulator to run in a different res, like, say, 480x320 Jul 21 21:10:49 and see what enyo apps built for 1024x768 look like Jul 21 21:10:50 yeah Jul 21 21:10:59 * PatrickC runs enyo on his pre2 Jul 21 21:11:03 really? Jul 21 21:11:13 yeppers Jul 21 21:11:16 very easily Jul 21 21:11:22 have you tried loading any actual tp apps on it? Jul 21 21:11:26 yep Jul 21 21:11:35 I run amazon kindle and moviestore Jul 21 21:11:49 i want to run 2.1 lol Jul 21 21:11:51 do they look good? no. but they run Jul 21 21:11:59 CLU: we'll get there :) Jul 21 21:12:07 hm... Jul 21 21:12:22 what about things with the sliding panels, like email or the fb app? Jul 21 21:12:32 :) Jul 21 21:12:36 I haven't tried the email Jul 21 21:12:38 or fb Jul 21 21:12:49 but panes work similarly Jul 21 21:13:04 another question on 2.1 metadoctoring... does the phone need cell reception to complete it? or can the doctor/reboot/profit be done with just wifi? Jul 21 21:13:07 I'll have to try the email ;) thx for the suggestion :) Jul 21 21:13:22 krushia_: wifi is fine Jul 21 21:13:29 is the phone gonna be activated? Jul 21 21:13:36 I wonder if they'll end up doing a version of enyo for phones that handles some of the elements slightly differently Jul 21 21:13:48 probably Jul 21 21:13:51 I have to drive 5 miles out of the woods to get service Jul 21 21:14:00 hrmm... Jul 21 21:14:12 not sure if you can sign in via wifi and still activate it... Jul 21 21:15:02 brb Jul 21 21:15:07 ping me if needed Jul 21 21:15:17 I know the 1.4.5 first use app sits at "setting language" forever if there's no cell coverage Jul 21 21:17:11 PatrickC: Quick install wasn't installing the resulting patch file, so I downloaded a patch off the preware feeds and took a look at it. The first couple lines were WAY different so I tweaked it and now it installs just fine. Think it's safe to submit? Jul 21 21:20:37 AStice: we test apply all patches in the portal along with a code review before they ever make it into preware Jul 21 21:21:04 worst that happens is we deny it... and we will always tell you why if we do Jul 21 21:21:22 Ok - cool. I'll go ahead and submit it then. It's dead simple, just changes a preference value in lunaAnimation.conf Jul 21 21:21:32 and 99% of the time we expect you to fix it and resubmit Jul 21 21:22:15 if nobody gets to it before tonight, I will review it at work tonight Jul 21 21:22:30 gotta sleep, nn all Jul 21 21:24:10 how come ubuntu is taking so long to install Jul 21 21:24:19 are you installing off a CD? Jul 21 21:24:28 nope downloading Jul 21 21:24:59 i pretty much always do installs off a usb drive now... it's *way* faster. Like 20 minutes instead of hours Jul 21 21:25:32 ohhh Jul 21 21:26:31 CLU: the easiest way is WUBI Jul 21 21:26:40 or VBox Jul 21 21:26:41 wubi isn't a native install is it? Jul 21 21:26:51 yes it is iirx Jul 21 21:26:55 iirc* Jul 21 21:27:01 I thought wubi ran inside windows Jul 21 21:27:05 I did it, and it worked to make many meta doctors Jul 21 21:27:13 it installs/removes inside windows Jul 21 21:27:14 I mean, I don't actually kjnow, I haven't run windows in a long time Jul 21 21:27:22 it still is an actual dual-boot Jul 21 21:27:38 I think WUBI creates a fake partition within a file on your win-ntfs partition Jul 21 21:27:43 I don't think it isyeah Jul 21 21:27:45 but you can actually boot into it Jul 21 21:27:50 you can? interesting Jul 21 21:27:52 wubi just has a virtual hd inside the windows setup instead of the real stuff Jul 21 21:28:10 yeah Jul 21 21:28:11 that Jul 21 21:28:18 I didn't know you could boot into it, I thought it was a thing that only ran inside windows Jul 21 21:28:38 nope Jul 21 21:28:42 VBox does that Jul 21 21:28:47 yes, I know that Jul 21 21:29:00 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WubiGuide Jul 21 21:29:14 Windows' boot manager allows the selection between the two Jul 21 21:29:21 yeppers Jul 21 21:30:18 it's a really cool and totally weird setup Jul 21 21:30:41 it's installable and uninstallable like a windows program but is actually a dual boot system Jul 21 21:30:50 still Jul 21 21:31:00 i prefer to have it separate, and launch with grub Jul 21 21:31:38 that's pretty interesting Jul 21 21:31:47 well, it's dual-boot so long as your windows partition is accessible Jul 21 21:32:10 * pigsflew was an ubuntu fanboy long before webos stole his geeky, geeky heart Jul 21 21:33:14 * pigsflew probably still has circle of friends stickers somewhere Jul 21 21:34:28 I kinda like the new ubuntu Unity interface Jul 21 21:34:31 dante? Jul 21 21:34:35 I put it on my parents computer, and it's pretty nice Jul 21 21:36:18 dwc-: http://cdn.someecards.com/someecards/usercards/MjAxMS1kZTA5NjY4Y2E5ZWVkMDRi.png you've seen this I assume Jul 21 21:36:45 no, but same idea Jul 21 21:37:38 right Jul 21 21:45:57 summatusmentis: have you seen the e17 embedded interface? Jul 21 21:46:29 Loudergood: I think a while ago? Is that the same stuff that openmoko was gonna be based on? Jul 21 21:46:38 possibly Jul 21 21:46:52 I was playing around with it in the ubuntu chroot on my pre2 Jul 21 21:46:56 pretty slick Jul 21 21:46:59 ahaha, dwc- i now get why you said that. Jul 21 21:47:08 Loudergood: screenshots? Jul 21 21:47:13 my apologies, i'm a bit slow today. Jul 21 21:48:15 the ubuntu logo http://www.edopter.com/images_user/ideas/200807/RtjwWV is also called the "circle of friends" Jul 21 21:49:17 they've stylized it and removed the colors from it recently though Jul 21 21:50:09 I'll take some for you when I rebuild my chroot Jul 21 21:50:22 kind of had a crash during apt-get install Jul 21 21:50:56 I was just curious, it's not a huge deal Jul 21 21:56:15 PatrickC: are you here? Jul 21 21:56:59 yep Jul 21 21:57:00 sorry Jul 21 21:57:11 did you boot into Ubuntu? Jul 21 21:58:43 yes, you need to boot into Ubuntu Jul 21 21:58:45 nope Jul 21 21:59:12 you need to Jul 21 21:59:13 ok Jul 21 21:59:17 and let it finish installing Jul 21 21:59:56 won't bring up the boot menu options Jul 21 22:00:21 went straight to windows Jul 21 22:00:29 hrmm... Jul 21 22:00:31 ok.. Jul 21 22:00:36 Jack87|Away: you here? Jul 21 22:01:16 lemme google Jul 21 22:01:39 ok Jul 21 22:01:57 did you actually use wubi? Jul 21 22:02:25 yep Jul 21 22:02:32 wubi to install Jul 21 22:02:35