**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jul 27 02:59:57 2011 Jul 27 04:20:37 hey all Jul 27 04:20:55 i just installed the warthog kernel via preware on my 3.0.0 touchpad Jul 27 04:21:01 now it's boot looping Jul 27 04:21:16 should i pull anything off it to help debug? Jul 27 04:33:53 rwhitby: any chance I could extract the stock 3.0.0 kernel and write it to my touchpad with novacom? Jul 27 04:35:07 etx`, memboot from the doctor then use preware to kill warthog kernel Jul 27 04:35:23 ah cool Jul 27 04:35:42 I pulled the klog, anything else useful I should grab? Jul 27 04:36:07 not that i can think of Jul 27 04:36:23 cool thanks Jul 27 04:37:38 etx`: I don't believe warthog kernel is actually working yet Jul 27 04:37:48 that would explain it ;) Jul 27 04:37:56 you'll need to ask jhojho about how it has been tested. Jul 27 04:38:10 UberKernel has been membooted on TouchPad and Veer. Jul 27 04:39:29 k Jul 27 04:39:50 if it's known to be non-working the klog probably isn't much use Jul 27 04:47:26 I don't know the status of it. I look after UberKernel. Jul 27 04:48:22 Warthog is intended to be a "pushing the extreme limits" kernel, so non-booting is not surprising. Jul 27 04:49:18 yeah Jul 27 04:49:51 trying to find the kernel in the dr here heh Jul 27 04:50:05 i think it used the wrong one, its booting but not all the way Jul 27 04:50:41 you probably used the recovery kernel Jul 27 04:51:04 yeah Jul 27 04:51:21 i want the one symlinked to /boot/uImage right? Jul 27 04:51:26 that would make more since to me Jul 27 04:51:26 yep Jul 27 04:51:46 note that your old kernel is in the tarball that is saved in the app dir Jul 27 04:51:47 it's labeled tenderloin, heh thats a new one to me Jul 27 04:51:55 oh awesome Jul 27 04:54:09 its alive, back to javascript where I belong :) Jul 27 05:02:03 I hear warthog kernel and think someone reaaaly doesn't lik updating ubuntu Jul 27 05:38:17 is there an overclocked kernel for the pre 2 on verizon? Jul 27 05:47:08 nevermind, did a little research and found it, didnt realize it was already sitting at 1ghz, guess there really no use Jul 27 05:47:12 ty anyways Jul 27 13:23:53 hi all... trying to help a friend install Preware on his Pre - no luck so far, even with command line. says: "bad address 'gitorious.org' " Any thoughts? Jul 27 13:43:49 aha. Jul 27 13:44:00 ? Jul 27 13:44:11 RWings19, where are you seeing that gitoriuos.org Jul 27 13:44:12 ? Jul 27 13:45:06 from here: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware Jul 27 13:45:17 under Installing Preware from the Commandline Jul 27 13:45:34 RWings19: 'bad address' means that the device has no network connection or no DNS resolver Jul 27 13:46:00 the phone is plugged in to my computer... but the phone itself is not activated. could that be part of it? Jul 27 13:46:22 why are you not using one of the recommended methods first? Jul 27 13:46:40 Rod, I've tried all of the rest. Every single one bombs out with some sort of error. Jul 27 13:47:28 Tried WebOSQuickInstall - can't find Preware in the Applications list. Tried downloading the arm-ipk from the recommended source. WOSQI reports a corrupt archive. Jul 27 13:48:33 your network connection is to blame for all three of those things. fix that first and then they will all work. Jul 27 13:49:04 My guess is you're behind a wifi hotspot. Jul 27 13:49:26 No - this computer is connected via Ethernet. Jul 27 13:49:35 got the Pre plugged in via USB Jul 27 13:49:41 well, your connection is screwed. Jul 27 13:50:09 What is the md5sum of the preware ipk you downloaded? Jul 27 13:50:10 could it have anything to do with the phone itself being inactivated? ("Phone offline" status) Jul 27 13:50:26 the first two methods don't use the phone Jul 27 13:51:06 your problem is far more fundamental than that. you simply do not have a reliable internet connection. Jul 27 13:52:55 I will try to verify the MD5sum of the ipk... Jul 27 13:53:53 ec35ee4d27c589c31633d8755a592e6c Jul 27 13:53:57 (preware 1.7) Jul 27 13:54:08 from what URL? Jul 27 13:54:19 http://get.preware.org/ Jul 27 13:54:29 what exact URL Jul 27 13:54:50 http://get.preware.org/org.webosinternals.preware_1.7.0_arm.ipk Jul 27 13:54:51 (there are two preware 1.7 files on that page) Jul 27 13:55:46 ok, that is correct. Jul 27 13:55:49 rwhitby, is anything still @ gitorious? or is it all on github Jul 27 13:55:56 ka6sox: bootstrap Jul 27 13:56:01 kk Jul 27 13:56:07 RWings19: next, URL for WOSQI Jul 27 13:56:51 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2774158/WebOSQuickInstall-4.2.3.jar Jul 27 13:57:12 and the md5sum of that? Jul 27 13:57:26 the preware webpage is somewhat out of date now tho Jul 27 13:57:27 ea1c462bd8ff1171a56cdff991f5e681 Jul 27 13:57:41 RWings19: feel free to fix that Jul 27 13:57:51 RWings19: ok, that matches too Jul 27 13:58:03 err, I think he was talking to you, rwatkins Jul 27 13:58:05 rwatkins: feel free to fix that Jul 27 13:58:11 yes Jul 27 13:58:23 yes, i think so .. thats the standard answer when docs are incorrect or lacking. Jul 27 13:59:06 RWings19: do you have the SDK installed? Jul 27 13:59:24 not sure - is it required? Jul 27 13:59:52 palm-install is the canonical method of installing Preware Jul 27 14:00:06 take all other third-party tools out of the equation Jul 27 14:00:58 well, which version of the SDK would I use? I wouldn't download the 3.0 version, correct? Jul 27 14:01:10 any version will do Jul 27 14:01:17 what device do you have? Jul 27 14:01:25 Sprint Pre- Jul 27 14:01:45 any version from 1.3.5 onwards will work Jul 27 14:02:04 ok Jul 27 14:03:28 and you should post your WOSQI error message screenshot in Jason's WOSQI thread, along with the md5sums to prove that your files are good. Jul 27 14:03:58 The weird thing is that Preware is not listed in teh Application feed in WOSQI Jul 27 14:06:44 installing new SDK now Jul 27 14:07:41 RWings19: how were you accessing the device command line before? Jul 27 14:08:13 through WOSQI.... Tools -> Command Line. It launched novaterm via WinXP 'cmd' Jul 27 14:09:23 I see Jul 27 14:13:13 doing this for a friend - he got a partiall install of Preware before, but when starting up Preware it said that 'the service isn't running' Jul 27 14:23:46 Rod, I tried installing using palm-install and got: Exception in thread "main" java.lang.UnsupportedClassVersionError Jul 27 14:24:26 sounds like your host computer's java installation is not good Jul 27 14:24:42 what host OS? Jul 27 14:24:51 WinXP Pro Jul 27 14:25:22 BRB, gotta finish installing Java update Jul 27 14:25:35 have people figured out how to change what the lock screen shows yet? Jul 27 14:26:40 after getting the Agenda as app patch i was thinking it would be cool to just replace the lock screen with it Jul 27 14:33:33 back... still no luck getting Preware installed on this device Jul 27 14:35:07 though I think I may have found the problem Jul 27 14:35:21 is quick install detecting the phone? Jul 27 14:35:44 yes... but the phone is reporting that it has webOS v 1.1 Jul 27 14:36:04 I think that's the major problem here Jul 27 14:36:20 what version doctor do you have? Jul 27 14:37:11 dunno, probably 1.4.5 Jul 27 14:37:23 i am going to try to update this phone over wifi Jul 27 14:38:18 RWings19: ah, yes. the phone must be running 1.3.5 at least Jul 27 14:38:45 in fact the wiki page states a 1.4.0 minimum Jul 27 14:38:47 did you download the doctor from somewhere? which phone u got Jul 27 14:39:56 It looks like I will have to doctor the phone. Jul 27 14:43:09 RWings19: glad that mystery is solved. looks like my initial diagnosis was completely wrong Jul 27 14:43:30 Yeah, and shame on me for not checking the webOS version sooner Jul 27 14:44:13 * rwhitby bbl Jul 27 15:10:07 RWings19, where did you find a phone that is still running 1.1 at? Jul 27 15:10:29 My co-worker bought it for his wife. Think he might have got it from eBay? Jul 27 15:10:34 some deep dark hole. Jul 27 15:10:46 But it appeared to be new in box, never used. Jul 27 15:16:47 yeah, I bet everything will work great once you update it Jul 27 15:17:07 it should! Jul 27 15:17:44 my own Pre- works as well as can be expected, thanks to Preware Jul 27 17:33:30 Anyone know if it's possible to create a process within the ubuntu chroot and kill the terminal window without killing the other chroot-based processes? Jul 27 17:33:49 Or, create a process within the chroot without opening a terminal? Jul 27 17:34:27 E.g. running the chroot as a background process from another xterm so you can kill the xterm without killing the chroot Jul 27 17:41:27 AtomicPlayboy: mount the chroot yourself? we do it in a script that (as you apparently have discovered) uses the lifetime of the xterm to determine when to unmount Jul 27 17:41:58 'screen' might be the best answer Jul 27 17:42:13 dtzWill: Actually I haven't found the actual script Jul 27 17:42:26 I've been running it from xecutah Jul 27 17:43:11 I feel like I should be able to figure this out on my own Jul 27 17:43:44 who's the head dev of Max Blocker ? Jul 27 17:44:00 AtomicPlayboy: poking around sohuld make it clear :) Jul 27 17:44:40 I don't know where to poke Jul 27 17:44:49 (that's what she said) Jul 27 17:45:11 wow lol Jul 27 17:45:37 no but srsly Jul 27 17:46:18 PatrickC, i think the lead dev is jhowirc (AKA Warthog Kernel) Jul 27 17:46:25 but i could be wrong Jul 27 17:46:28 ok thanks Jul 27 17:46:41 @warthogkernel on twitter? Jul 27 17:47:01 jhowirc: ping Jul 27 17:47:29 yes, @warthogkernel on twitter Jul 27 18:44:48 sitting in rwhitby's talk ;-) Jul 27 18:51:42 this is why we need a ustream.tv app Jul 27 18:54:42 livestream from tp? Jul 27 18:55:49 that would in fact be epic, but the TP needs a zoom/manual focus Jul 27 18:55:55 that's the only scenario where it might be useful to have a back-facing camera on the TP Jul 27 18:56:57 and here I was thinking on a phone Jul 27 18:57:18 oh, well, you know, that'd be cool Jul 27 18:57:23 I guess Jul 27 18:57:25 :-P Jul 27 18:58:06 but yeah, zoom/focus would be handy Jul 27 19:11:06 how many ppl at the talk? Jul 27 19:13:40 hey, is there a patch to ignore "Unknown Number"? Jul 27 19:19:57 I believe so Jul 27 19:21:23 i could only find a custom ringtone one, but I want something more ignory Jul 27 19:21:49 call block with block unknown or blocked Jul 27 19:24:16 Hi guys Jul 27 19:24:30 any chance someone here can give me a hand with Enyo? Jul 27 19:31:53 dwc-: the description says it's an empty placeholder package and not available on 1.4.5 Jul 27 19:32:39 my phone ignores anyone in the Ignore contact, but I can't add "Unknown Number" as a number through the contact editor, is there a list of these contacts I can manually edit? Jul 27 19:33:03 mmm, yea, not all patches are available on all os versions Jul 27 19:33:12 Hi folks, I just got my new HP Veer shipped from the US to Austria, and now I'm following the "Global Paid App Catalog Access" steps. I can run and install the impostah just fine, but when opening the "Activation" scene, it takes a while until I get the error message: Service Error (getAccountServerURL: MojoService: no errorCode supplied. CommandTimeout in com.palm.accountservices/getServerUrl". Any idea what could be the Jul 27 19:33:56 internet access is working fine... Jul 27 19:37:00 Any thoughts on - https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=16813 ? Jul 27 19:38:01 stri8ed: this.somefunction.bind(this) Jul 27 19:38:17 or someobj.somefunctio.bind(someobj) Jul 27 19:38:40 how is it that in the enyo code exaple "this" alone works fine? Jul 27 19:38:58 it doesn't give a referene to the function, only the function name Jul 27 19:39:28 so i guess there is some magic in enyo that detects this case, and does a this[funcname](...) instead Jul 27 19:40:27 I figured, yet when I try that in my code,, it thinks "this" is refferencing my main enoy.kind Jul 27 19:41:30 hm, i guess i didn't get what you wanted :D Jul 27 19:42:20 the clicked item should be inSender or some member of the event (i'm not using enyo, so i have no idea :D) Jul 27 19:42:58 fair enough Jul 27 19:43:38 mephinet, rwhitby would know the answer to that question, but he is having fun at OSCON right now Jul 27 19:47:22 scoutcamper: he so much deserves it :-) Jul 27 19:48:45 ah, problem solved, I had to upgrade to impostah version 0.9.9 from the testing feed, where the issue is fixed! Jul 27 20:31:23 hm.. anyone having trouble getting to precentral forums? Jul 27 21:59:50 rwhitby: You should swing by Mobile Portland tomorrow eve http://www.mobileportland.com/events/awesome-mobile-web-tools-and-frameworks Jul 27 22:00:33 If I would have known you were coming early we would have tried to guilt you into speaking Jul 27 22:44:35 rwhitby: Did Jono tell you that Xecutah was very metal? Jul 27 22:45:11 I explained it was a chroot rendering on X in a card Jul 27 22:46:27 rrix: oh, I get what you mean now. He probably didn't notice the name of the app. Jul 27 22:46:51 Oh, I was just joking about jono using the word 'metal' instead of 'cool' generally :) Jul 27 22:47:02 rrix: gotcha Jul 27 22:47:44 How'd the talk go? Jul 27 22:49:21 no-one walked out or fell asleep as far as I could see. Jul 27 22:49:29 heh Jul 27 22:49:35 that's good Jul 27 23:19:19 I want to create the ext3fs partition on my pre for the chroot ubuntu but would meta doctor erase my pre when using it to create the partition? Jul 27 23:20:30 yes Jul 27 23:21:22 ok. is there a way to create that portion by hand. I am trying to not use the steps on the wiki. Jul 27 23:21:44 s/portion/partition Jul 27 23:22:31 plem, in a few days we should have a beta partitioner. Jul 27 23:22:48 well...maybe alpha... Jul 27 23:22:50 ka6sox: count me in as a beta member? Jul 27 23:22:52 or alpha Jul 27 23:22:53 you have a cool ham call too. I will wait then. Jul 27 23:23:10 if you're comfortable with linux/lvm/resizing you can just do the same as you would on a desktop/server Jul 27 23:23:10 PatrickC, when its ready Jul 27 23:23:34 ka6sox: ok Jul 27 23:23:43 dwc-, good to know. Jul 27 23:24:15 plem, thanks Jul 27 23:52:24 Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of patrickc) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jul 28 02:59:57 2011