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Aug 13 03:33:39 <Abyssul> Anyone have a clue why the add launcher pages linux app for TP doesnt work on my TP? I checked the Tweaks app too.
Aug 13 04:50:42 <PatrickC> you can ssh over usb? right?
Aug 13 04:56:10 <cryptk> Abyssul, what does it, or does it not do
Aug 13 04:56:19 <cryptk> you just isntall it and then restart the TP
Aug 13 05:00:33 <Abyssul> I install it and nothing changes
Aug 13 05:00:44 <Abyssul> Ive installed it and uninstalled it twice with reboot inbetween
Aug 13 05:23:11 <Lumiere> Abyssul: works for me
Aug 13 08:06:59 <hangfire> Lazar_Dobrescu: It's an Irish Pre+ on a different network than the one that it was bought on
Aug 13 09:27:30 <destinal> rwhitby: whoa, novacom open sourced?
Aug 13 09:30:11 <destinal> err, no, those are binaries only on the open source site?  confused
Aug 13 09:32:20 <destinal> http://opensource.palm.com/packages.html   has  novacom:        novacom-linux-32.tgz, novacom-linux-64.tgz, novacom-mac.tgz, novacom-win.tgz
Aug 13 09:32:35 <destinal> but they're all binaries packages, no idea why they're on opensource.palm.com
Aug 13 09:32:54 <ka6sox> its the cdn they use for pushing things out...
Aug 13 09:33:05 <ka6sox> that people can "find"
Aug 13 09:33:11 <destinal> not in the packages list though
Aug 13 09:33:27 <ka6sox> host side right?
Aug 13 09:33:31 <destinal> it's never been used for anything but open source
Aug 13 09:34:03 <destinal> http://opensource.palm.com/packages.html    has links to  http://palm.cdnetworks.net/opensource/novacom/novacom-linux-32.tgz  for instance
Aug 13 09:34:20 <destinal> whereas normally it just has lists of webos versions
Aug 13 09:34:52 <destinal> just look at the page and you'll see why it's weird
Aug 13 09:40:56 <hangfire> Is novacom part of the mojo framework? (What is the mojo framework?)
Aug 13 09:41:08 <hangfire> basically: can I re-host novacom binaries?
Aug 13 09:42:28 <ka6sox> hangfire, not that I've seen
Aug 13 09:42:31 <destinal> hangfire: it's not entirely clear what license they're posted under here
Aug 13 09:42:45 <ka6sox> unless those binaries have a different license than I've seen.
Aug 13 09:43:00 <hangfire> hmm, yeah ok.
Aug 13 09:43:01 <hangfire> thanks
Aug 13 09:43:17 <destinal> hmm there's an hp_license_agreement.pdf
Aug 13 09:44:51 <destinal> http://pastebin.com/UFDSdXNR
Aug 13 09:45:08 <destinal> CAREFULLY READ THE FOLLOWING TERMS AND CONDITIONS (“AGREEMENT”) BEFORE USING OR OTHERWISE ACCESSING THE NOVACOM SOFTWARE. THE SOFTWARE IS LICENSED BY HP,
Aug 13 09:45:09 <destinal> etc
Aug 13 09:45:23 <hangfire> ah, ok. must replace the old license
Aug 13 09:47:03 <destinal> yeah, it isn't licensed for distribution, so apparently it's just an easy place to download novacom for the various platforms, which people have been asking for for a while
Aug 13 09:47:19 <destinal> (to be able to get it without getting the doctor)
Aug 13 09:48:34 <destinal> though really we theoretically solved that with novatool and the download a file from remote zip thing, that never really got a production release
Aug 13 09:49:03 <destinal> definitely doesn't hurt to have it be easier
Aug 13 09:50:16 <destinal> (but open source is rather a misnomer here)
Aug 13 09:54:01 <hangfire> yep, thanks
Aug 13 15:47:30 <dwc-> anyone had any issues with the nightly/on-boot backup service sucking up all the memory and killing the phone? (webos 2.1.0)
Aug 13 15:48:34 <dwc-> strace reports (at least the stuff it's sending to stderr, which appears to be going ... ???) it's doing a bunch of deletes on the palm backup servers
Aug 13 15:48:43 <dwc-> but it looks like it's leaking connections or memory or something
Aug 13 15:49:56 <dwc-> (this is service.backup.js)
Aug 13 15:58:03 <summatusmentis> is it possible that's the stuff around some security something or other happening in the palm backend that might be affecting devices not running the proper version of the software?
Aug 13 15:58:42 <summatusmentis> I also had an issue recently where the phone would lock-up at night/after a while and shutdown, I never traced it that far, and just re-doctored
Aug 13 16:13:18 <dwc-> well, this happened occasionally before that change was made
Aug 13 16:13:35 <summatusmentis> hrm
Aug 13 16:13:36 <dwc-> this is also a developer pre2, so it is running the proper software
Aug 13 16:13:43 <summatusmentis> oh, duly noted
Aug 13 16:14:11 <dwc-> yea, my phone dies fairly promptly at 0030 every night now :\
Aug 13 16:20:34 <dwc-> based on irc logs, aug 1, and every day aug 4th through now that my phone was on irc, it's died
Aug 13 16:49:36 <hamez> I'd like to update the patches for different arrangements of icons in the app launcher for 2.x, but it appears as though the parts of the app launcher that would need to be modified are now buried in LunaSysMgr
Aug 13 16:49:41 <hamez> any thoughts?
Aug 13 16:50:39 <dwc-> I think you're right
Aug 13 16:52:23 <hamez> and hpalm is not likely to open source LunaSysMgr, right?
Aug 13 16:54:09 <hamez> I figured there was a good reason it hadn't been done already :)
Aug 13 16:58:31 <dwc-> I wouldn't hold my breath
Aug 13 18:20:56 <Xc1uSiv3> Who's the mod here?
Aug 13 18:32:47 <PatrickC> Ok..
Aug 13 18:35:08 <uNiXpSyChO> troll?
Aug 13 18:35:33 <PatrickC> Probably
Aug 13 18:35:55 <PatrickC> Who is the official mod here? Rod?
Aug 13 18:37:41 <uNiXpSyChO> webos-internals crew... but Rod is the enforcer.  I use my mod privs like a nuke, keep it locked away.
Aug 13 18:45:25 <PuffTheMagic> everyone with voice has ops
Aug 13 19:33:11 <snood> hi. I installed Bantu Christ but apt-get does not exist
Aug 13 20:00:31 <antidose> Hi, i have some questions regarding the PalmPDK and setup a cross compiler environment that is using the PalmPDK
Aug 13 20:00:51 <antidose> but lets start at the beginning
Aug 13 20:03:00 <antidose> 1. is there a difference between the WebOS Internals PDK and the PalmPDK from https://developer.palm.com/content/resources/develop/sdk_pdk_download.html#linux ?
Aug 13 20:03:53 <antidose> 2. and if yes, where are the differences?
Aug 13 20:19:53 <amistak> Hi guys! I was wondering if you guys could help me work through something.
Aug 13 20:20:40 <amistak> I just got a Touchpad and reactivated my frankenpre plus on sprint. I can make calls but it won't connect to the data network. any ideas_
Aug 13 23:24:40 <k\2> i assum rwhitby == rob rwhitby..
Aug 13 23:24:51 <Tibfib_> k\2: rod
Aug 13 23:26:10 <k\2> excuse me, anyhow rod, did your optware-bootstrap for android devices succeed on most devices you've tested..
Aug 13 23:27:50 <rwhitby-pre> android devices?
Aug 13 23:28:28 <k\2> yes, the phone...
Aug 13 23:28:58 * rwhitby-pre has done no android optware bootstrap
Aug 13 23:29:06 <k\2> well i'm testing out the info over on nookdevs, but...
Aug 13 23:29:16 * oil remembers someone doing it, but doesnt remember who
Aug 13 23:29:19 <rwhitby-pre> ah, nook stuff
Aug 13 23:29:28 <rwhitby-pre> talk to destinal and ka6sox
Aug 13 23:29:41 <leonkehoe> Hey
Aug 13 23:29:48 <k\2> sweet, i'll hang out for a bit then, thanks alot
Aug 13 23:30:08 <leonkehoe> I've just installed webOS 2.1 on my Palm Pre Plus and ran into a problem, well, it's not a problem as such just an oddity.
Aug 13 23:30:47 <k\2> rwhitby-pre! really, i thought your site from back in 2007 even had comparisons (battle of the os) between droid/webos
Aug 13 23:31:31 <rwhitby-pre> I don't have any rooted android devices.
Aug 13 23:31:47 <leonkehoe> It says that if my apps fail to download and my Palm Profile is named Dr. Skipped Firstuse I should delete my Palm Profile info and Doctor again...
Aug 13 23:31:50 <k\2> ooo, sryz..
Aug 13 23:32:07 <leonkehoe> Well, my Palm Profile IS named Dr. Skipped Firstuse in Accounts, but my apps DIDN'T fail to download.
Aug 13 23:32:23 <rwhitby-pre> you sure it says to doctor again?
Aug 13 23:32:41 <rwhitby-pre> or just erase apps and data and login again?
Aug 13 23:32:50 <leonkehoe> "This step is extremely important if you find that after finishing the webOS 2.1 installation your saved apps don't download to your device automatically and your Palm Profile account name under Accounts is "Dr. Skipped Firstuse". You should delete your profile info and Doctor again."
Aug 13 23:33:30 <rwhitby-pre> that's not neccessary in most cases
Aug 13 23:33:45 <leonkehoe> To delete my profile info I go into the Backup app and disable Backups, right? But is it necessary, considering my apps DID download, it's just my profile that's named Dr. Skipped Firstuse?
Aug 13 23:35:07 <rwhitby-pre> erase apps and data and go through first use again
Aug 13 23:35:21 <rwhitby-pre> if that works, update the wiki to reflect that
Aug 13 23:35:55 <leonkehoe> I'm impatient, I'm already 64% through re-doctoring it. I came on here to find out what to do if once done I find myself in the same situation.
Aug 13 23:35:57 <leonkehoe> :-)
Aug 13 23:36:26 <leonkehoe> If it happens again, I will try what you've suggested rwhitby-pre.
Aug 13 23:37:11 <leonkehoe> Thanks - for everything.
Aug 13 23:38:03 <leonkehoe> I suppose you'll be first in line once the Pre3 is released rwhitby?
Aug 13 23:38:34 <leonkehoe> That said, it's likely you'll want a separate device for development. I'm sure the community will oblige.
Aug 13 23:39:43 <rwhitby> I have two on order
Aug 13 23:39:59 <leonkehoe> Question for you, you've dug around in webOS 3.0, right?
Aug 13 23:42:34 <leonkehoe> rwhitby?
Aug 13 23:44:39 <leonkehoe> Tell me this, did they REALLY build it from the ground up? Because I'd have thought if they did, they'd have addressed one of its major issues - performance. I can't believe how slow it is on a 1.2GHz dual-core processor, it should be instantly loading apps and have buttery smooth interface animations. From what I've seen, webOS 2.2 on the HP Pre3 has far better performance.
Aug 13 23:58:07 <leonkehoe> Well, that re-doctoring it worked, so I'm unable to test out your fix rwhitby. Sorry about that.
Aug 13 23:58:21 <leonkehoe> I'm off to bed now, being in the UK it's very late here.
Aug 13 23:58:39 <leonkehoe> Night, it's been... engaging. There's very little I enjoy more than talking to myself.
Aug 13 23:58:49 <rwhitby> no worries
Aug 13 23:59:11 <rwhitby> big change in 3.0 was move to node.js for background services and enyo for UI
Aug 13 23:59:33 <leonkehoe> Right and do you agree that performance is still lacklustre?
Aug 13 23:59:59 <rwhitby> it's all relative
Aug 14 00:00:20 <leonkehoe> Of course, and when your device is relatively slow compared to what else is on the market that's problematic.
Aug 14 00:00:45 <leonkehoe> I expected to see a significant performance boost with webOS 3.0 running on a dual-core processor but it just isn't there.
Aug 14 00:01:17 <leonkehoe> I'm disappointed. And I don't think any OTA is going to fix it any time soon, if ever.
Aug 14 00:01:24 <rwhitby> I presume you've turned off all the logging and applied the other performance patches
Aug 14 00:01:41 <leonkehoe> Shouldn't have to rwhitby, shouldn't have to.
Aug 14 00:01:47 <leonkehoe> G'night.
Aug 14 00:02:06 <rwhitby> not sure why you're telling this to me instead of HP ?
Aug 14 00:02:17 <kirksutton> precisely
Aug 14 00:03:36 <kirksutton> that is a comment for HP. Anyway HP is rather cordial to homebrew community and it is very easy to homebrew on this platform than anyother platform.
Aug 14 00:09:23 <cat-xeger> ... so for the record (and hopefully this won't jinx me)
Aug 14 00:09:56 <cat-xeger> ... since getting my hardware (pre2) replaced, luna manager hasn't crashed once, and my battery life has improved dramatically, even in the same crappy reception area.
Aug 14 00:50:19 <siestacat> Hmm... my microphone doesn't work on my pixi, nor do my speakers when making calls through linphone.
Aug 14 00:50:24 <siestacat> I suspect a conflict?
Aug 14 00:50:33 <siestacat> It worked ok before, then I installed some patches.
Aug 14 00:50:42 <siestacat> Any idea if uberkernel affects anything?
Aug 14 00:51:36 <siestacat> I need this fixed by tomorrow.
Aug 14 00:52:54 <siestacat> anyone?
Aug 14 00:55:55 <siestacat> It's not uberkernel...
Aug 14 00:56:05 <siestacat> just did an un-install
Aug 14 00:56:15 <siestacat> speech dispatcher?
Aug 14 01:16:44 <siestacat> hmm, big problem
Aug 14 01:16:54 <siestacat> Just did a diagnostic test in the device menu
Aug 14 01:17:02 <siestacat> and mic nor speaker works..
Aug 14 01:17:23 <rwhitby> after full shutdown, battery pull and reboot?
Aug 14 01:18:02 <siestacat> not battery pull, but full shutdown and reboot
Aug 14 01:18:09 <siestacat> linphone won't work because of this
Aug 14 01:18:11 <siestacat> nothing will
Aug 14 01:19:19 <siestacat> should I do a battery pull?
Aug 14 01:24:30 <siestacat> rwhitby : just did battery pull
Aug 14 01:24:37 <siestacat> will run diagnostics again
Aug 14 01:27:39 <siestacat> rwhitby : still nothing
Aug 14 01:27:42 <siestacat> not sure what's going on
Aug 14 01:27:56 <rwhitby> time for a doctor then
Aug 14 01:28:04 <siestacat> ?
Aug 14 01:28:18 <siestacat> webOS doctor?
Aug 14 01:28:32 <rwhitby> if you want to know whether it is a hardware or software problem, webOS doctor it
Aug 14 01:28:56 <siestacat> what will that accomplish?
Aug 14 01:29:04 <siestacat> will it spit out diagnostics?
Aug 14 01:29:14 <siestacat> Or just wipe my phone?
Aug 14 01:29:24 <rwhitby> it will wipe your phone
Aug 14 01:30:04 <siestacat> so I should backup everything?
Aug 14 01:30:40 <rwhitby> everything you don't want to lose.
Aug 14 01:31:10 <rwhitby> linphone is in alpha testing, so you should be backing up regularly anyway
Aug 14 01:31:49 <rwhitby> if you're not in a position where your phone could be wiped at a moment's notice without warning, then you shouldn't be running alpha test software
Aug 14 01:32:01 <siestacat> I understand that.
Aug 14 01:32:10 <siestacat> Will this wipe applications?
Aug 14 01:32:26 <siestacat> And is there a way I can backup apps other than palm's stupid profile backup?
Aug 14 01:32:29 <rwhitby> I recommend you research the webOS Doctor
Aug 14 01:33:11 <siestacat> I am doing so now.
Aug 14 01:33:21 <siestacat> Will palm profile backup backup my personal files?
Aug 14 01:33:26 <siestacat> e.g. photos and music?
Aug 14 01:33:53 <rwhitby> no
Aug 14 01:34:17 <siestacat> and webOS doctor wipes them?
Aug 14 01:35:08 <rwhitby> it usually does not, but your comprehensive alpha testing backups will cover that if it does.
Aug 14 01:35:35 <siestacat> rofl
Aug 14 01:38:13 <siestacat> rwhitby : last question, does webOS doctor change my phone number or activation status or anything?
Aug 14 01:38:23 <siestacat> i've never used it
Aug 14 02:49:57 <PatrickC> I have the Device Profile Service Override patch installed and it doesn't work
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