**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Aug 20 02:59:56 2011 Aug 20 03:01:30 how would i go about controlling the pre's hardware in terminal? I cannot get the backlight to turn on at all. only smashing the power button and center button at the same time over and over gets it to turn on eventually. Aug 20 03:15:58 damn, the 16gb is already out of stock Aug 20 03:17:46 for 100 bucks who would get a touch pad? Aug 20 03:17:57 who wouldn't? :) Aug 20 03:18:01 I am going to best buy before they open to get one Aug 20 03:18:06 I got it for 50 :P Aug 20 03:18:06 Even if you ended up just using it as a dang web browser Aug 20 03:18:10 I got mine for $AU500 :( so I'd happily pay 100 Aug 20 03:18:19 No exact confirmation if it is going to be at Best Buy tomorrow Aug 20 03:18:25 but I'm assuming it will be Aug 20 03:19:06 futureshop.ca already has the new price Aug 20 03:19:09 even as a web browser + email client there's nothing cheaper on the market Aug 20 03:19:18 friend that works for bestbuy.ca confirmed price for tomorrow Aug 20 03:19:25 Yup Aug 20 03:19:40 and honestly don't even worry about it selling out; apparently bestbuy has like 250,000 of them sitting in the warehouses Aug 20 03:19:45 I need to go to Fry's and see if I can hustle 300$ or 3 touchpads out of them Aug 20 03:19:51 if anything it would be hilarious to see them all sell out Aug 20 03:22:41 anybody here know about the linphone alpha test? i'd like to help out with that. Aug 20 03:22:53 KingRichardIV: I really bet they will be sold out by tomorrow Aug 20 03:23:28 16 GB Touchpad sold out at HP's site! Aug 20 03:23:29 http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopping/store_access.do?product_code=FB355UA%23ABA&template_type=product_detail&aoid=35252&jumpid=ex_r11614_us/en/HHO_r329/Affiliate/FY11/TouchPad Aug 20 03:23:37 ouch Aug 20 03:24:13 oh snap. Aug 20 03:24:28 oh hey, it's geist Aug 20 03:24:31 hows it going ? Aug 20 03:24:35 sorry if this has been answered, but what does the tweet about advanced patches mean? advanced like what? Aug 20 03:24:50 geist, hows your development life been? Aug 20 03:26:32 well... it continues, unlike some other development Aug 20 03:26:43 geist: yes - very true Aug 20 03:27:17 geist: well .. supposedly just hardware has been discontinued for development .. the software side still exists? Aug 20 03:27:19 well, can't say i didn't see it coming a year ago, but i didn't think hp would shut it down so fast Aug 20 03:27:38 beats me, all I know is the remaining software folks i know at hp are all lookin for a job right now Aug 20 03:27:43 it is definitely weird timing - especially for releasing 2 products (tp and pre3) so recently Aug 20 03:27:57 sure, it sucks being blindsided Aug 20 03:28:00 no, it's a year. the 'hands off the new merch' agreements have expired Aug 20 03:28:13 now they are free to lay everyone off and figure out how to monetize it Aug 20 03:28:19 it's the hp way Aug 20 03:28:20 I figured it was something contractual Aug 20 03:28:38 yeah, that's what jacques had speculated Aug 20 03:28:49 if they hurry up they can even avoid paying folks their next set of retention bonuses Aug 20 03:29:00 i wonder if they'll try to sell the old palm patents to google to make some of the money back Aug 20 03:29:04 it was in play when ruby retired to 'special projects' Aug 20 03:29:12 and they brought in the axe man last month Aug 20 03:29:32 ouch Aug 20 03:30:07 and one can say it was really at play when they got rid of Hurd Aug 20 03:30:17 this Leo guy doesn't care about consumer stuff Aug 20 03:30:18 * dwc- ponders Aug 20 03:30:29 touchpad or no touchpad Aug 20 03:30:31 yeah, coming from a SAP background .. seems like he is enterprise all day every day Aug 20 03:30:36 but they couldn't touch palm for a year, so they let them play for a bit Aug 20 03:30:58 gotcha Aug 20 03:31:19 yep.. there was a great tweet by Michael Dell saying somehting like 'hey hp, if you spin off your desktop business, maybe you can call them.. Compaq?" Aug 20 03:31:29 haha, yeah - i saw that earlier Aug 20 03:31:31 pretty amusing Aug 20 03:32:59 geist, are you sad to see the hardware side of things die? Aug 20 03:33:02 Speculation...me and a buddy were talking...and I told him one of the biggest drawbacks to WebOS is lack of developers...his reply?...."I bet that's going to change with these things at $100..." Aug 20 03:33:16 hey geist, welcome back Aug 20 03:33:16 I don't know... Aug 20 03:33:22 people could have been developing on cheap $40 pixis too Aug 20 03:33:34 bpadalino: well, I had washed my hands of that a year ago, but it is a little sad to see it when companies buy and botch stuff you worked on Aug 20 03:33:43 touchpad is no pixi Aug 20 03:33:43 lol Aug 20 03:33:44 MSFT buying Danger was a previous situation for me Aug 20 03:33:49 dwc-: ...pixi = .25" screen... Aug 20 03:33:50 could it be possible HP is pulling a bluff to have an excuse to pull a fire sale? or did i confuse the aspirin for acid again? Aug 20 03:34:01 geist, oh right .. that is pretty sad :( Aug 20 03:34:07 otoh, as with most software/hardware development in consumer electronics, it all has a short shelf life anyway Aug 20 03:34:12 compared to the touchpad... Aug 20 03:34:17 you cant get too sad about it. you just move on and do something else Aug 20 03:34:23 I'm going to buy one for $100...shit I might even buy 2. Aug 20 03:34:32 i just did. Aug 20 03:34:38 ruumis: from where? Aug 20 03:34:54 i do tend to think one of the best things we did at the low level was fight to keep it as open as it was Aug 20 03:34:58 hp.com - $169.98 + tax Aug 20 03:35:02 and you guys really got the windfall of it Aug 20 03:35:04 geist: yep Aug 20 03:35:04 that sounds like a 32gb? Aug 20 03:35:07 or is that 2 16s Aug 20 03:35:09 dwc-: 2x16 Aug 20 03:35:12 geist, yeah - thanks for that Aug 20 03:35:16 cdm and I really pushed hard for that stuff when we were starting Aug 20 03:35:17 they look sold out of 16s Aug 20 03:35:32 for what it's worth, some of us have had success getting the 50% dev discount over the phone Aug 20 03:35:34 especially just both coming out of apple on ios and having a bad taste in our mouth Aug 20 03:35:42 bringing the touchpad price to 50 Aug 20 03:35:43 and the early adopter rebate? Aug 20 03:36:08 it's one of the nice things about everything - the memory booting for experimental kernel development .. nice bootloader .. root shell nice and easy Aug 20 03:36:12 all very nice features Aug 20 03:36:15 ruumis: still showing up at $499 Aug 20 03:36:19 even hp didn't shut down the mostly open platform, which i half expected them to Aug 20 03:36:24 Raven: order over the phone Aug 20 03:36:41 The e-mail address and password you entered do not match any accounts at the HP Home & Home Office Store Aug 20 03:36:42 geist, would you like to see them open it up more ? Aug 20 03:36:43 LarrySteeze: hmm...and it's $100. Aug 20 03:36:45 hrm... Aug 20 03:36:48 that. is. AWESOME! Aug 20 03:36:50 but really, as far as I can tell they (hp) didn't really mess with webos much. it was just a little side project they apparently gave 1 year to turn into a powerhouse or it gets the hose again Aug 20 03:37:06 me and a buddy were going to go to fry's in the AM to pick a few up... Aug 20 03:37:10 RavenIII: there's this whole complex series of steps you have to do involving HP Academy and links from slickdeals Aug 20 03:37:36 seems like slickdeals links would send you through their affiliate redirections Aug 20 03:37:56 anyway, back in a few. going to sbux for a little bit Aug 20 03:38:00 see ya Aug 20 03:38:56 $99 out of stock 16gb logged in... Aug 20 03:39:06 dwc-: ? Aug 20 03:39:11 hp.com Aug 20 03:39:17 ohh yeah. Aug 20 03:39:38 149 for the 32-gb Aug 20 03:39:48 $50 for the pre2 .... but sold out Aug 20 03:40:08 if you add a $5 ream of paper to the 32GB you can use the $30 coupon code Aug 20 03:40:10 They're still showing up at regular price for me.... Aug 20 03:40:14 weird. if I'm not signed into my EPP account they show up at regular price Aug 20 03:40:26 (legitimate EPP account) Aug 20 03:40:34 EPP? Aug 20 03:40:46 employee purchase plan Aug 20 03:40:54 oh Aug 20 03:41:01 which also extended to retirees, former employees, employees of affiliates, etc Aug 20 03:41:11 (e.g. their credit union) Aug 20 03:41:24 other corporate discount programs, etc. Aug 20 03:43:02 baller, i'm getting a 32gb and case through epp Aug 20 03:43:38 case of paper, case for touchpad? Aug 20 03:43:46 case for touchpad Aug 20 03:44:08 although i do need a case of paper, but it's $2 for a ream of paper at frys right now Aug 20 03:45:22 got a link to the case? or is it just the standard accessories Aug 20 03:45:41 just standard accessories Aug 20 03:45:44 $36 case, $58 charging dock $51 keyboard Aug 20 03:45:50 Im assuming everyone in the world right now Aug 20 03:45:54 is buying a TouchPad Aug 20 03:45:54 hehe Aug 20 03:45:58 it's 35 through epp, then used save30hp to make it $5 Aug 20 03:46:02 Yep Aug 20 03:46:06 Greetings Brother Framework! Aug 20 03:46:09 there's also the timbuktu Aug 20 03:46:11 Sup :) Aug 20 03:46:15 yup, they are sold out on amazon, target, and soon hp Aug 20 03:46:20 Project HoneyPad gonna happen soon? :p Aug 20 03:46:26 HoneyPad is Go! Aug 20 03:46:29 Wewt. Aug 20 03:46:33 Cm7 on this bitch. Aug 20 03:46:34 Queue the Mission Impossible music! Aug 20 03:46:47 Walmart and best buy Aug 20 03:46:48 deeeeeeeeeetletletletletletletletletletletletletletletletletletletletletletletletletletletletletletletletletletletletletletletletletle--DEEEEEEEEUUUUUUUNNNNNN! Aug 20 03:46:50 should be selling soon Aug 20 03:47:00 DUN DUN, DUN DUN DUN DUN, DUN DUN, Deedaa daaaa, deedaa daaa, deedaa daaa, DAA DAA Aug 20 03:47:45 fuck jeaa Aug 20 03:48:12 So are all retailers going to drop it to $100? Aug 20 03:48:32 Soon Aug 20 03:48:33 yes Aug 20 03:48:42 I heard Walmart and Best Buy saving for 7 Am Sale Aug 20 03:48:46 I wonder how quick they'll be out... Aug 20 03:49:16 I'm down to pick up 1 or 2 of them...shit people are getting one hell of a deal with the $30 off $150 from slickdeals Aug 20 03:49:52 is the 32GB sold out yet? Aug 20 03:49:57 nope Aug 20 03:49:57 on HP's site Aug 20 03:50:23 not yet Aug 20 03:50:39 Not yet.. will be buy 7:01 AM tomorrow Aug 20 03:50:49 That's why I am betting on in store Aug 20 03:50:59 Taxes be dammned Aug 20 03:51:06 fucking $9 taxes Aug 20 03:51:07 D; Aug 20 03:51:31 What percentage is tax where you are, Framework Aug 20 03:51:32 ? Aug 20 03:51:36 6.5% here Aug 20 03:51:42 you pay taxes but you dont gotta wait for it in the post Aug 20 03:51:52 True Aug 20 03:51:59 8.25%? Aug 20 03:52:01 It's hilarious… I just returned my Touchpad today Aug 20 03:52:09 tax here is like 9.something% Aug 20 03:52:32 Wow, and everyone complains about Mass being Taxachussetts Aug 20 03:52:55 Chicago is damn near 10... Aug 20 03:53:01 9.75? Aug 20 03:53:37 Hello Aug 20 03:53:50 Greetings Aug 20 03:54:05 Welcome to the insanity known as the night before and the day of August 20th 2011 Aug 20 03:54:10 yes Aug 20 03:54:13 on sale already Aug 20 03:54:19 if you look they have already sold out Aug 20 03:54:24 within 3 minutes Aug 20 03:54:38 my question is what kind of device did I buy? Aug 20 03:54:48 and can it do more than what is advertised? Aug 20 03:54:56 within 3 minutes? Aug 20 03:54:56 what Aug 20 03:55:14 It's been on sale to AAP and EEP members for like 4 hours Aug 20 03:55:30 Target sold out almost instantly Aug 20 03:55:47 Yea Aug 20 03:55:49 I saw that Aug 20 03:55:57 16 sold out at HP Aug 20 03:56:02 and 32gb still available Aug 20 03:56:07 going to Best buy and staples tomorrow morning Aug 20 03:56:11 what can I do with it? Aug 20 03:56:19 oH yeahhh...staples... Aug 20 03:56:21 that's right Aug 20 03:57:23 * geist yawns from starbux Aug 20 03:57:26 I'm buying a 32! Aug 20 03:57:32 but why?!? Aug 20 03:58:15 why what? Aug 20 03:58:26 geist: i did a coffee cupping yesterday and had my first cup of vacuum brewed coffee .. it was tasty stuff Aug 20 03:58:30 Baddy: if you don't know what to do with a touchpad then you are in the wrong channel Aug 20 03:59:45 bpadalino: ah yeah, i think i know what you're talking about Aug 20 03:59:49 you're in the bay area, right? Aug 20 03:59:58 geist: no - i am on the east coast .. rochester, ny Aug 20 04:00:10 geist: it was one of these - pretty cool: http://www.buy.com/prod/yama-tca-5d-tabletop-vacuum-brewer-w-alcohol-lamp/q/sellerid/33400021/loc/66357/221736347.html Aug 20 04:00:17 ah, was gonna suggest manyof the fine coffee acquiring places in the bay area Aug 20 04:00:22 bpadalino, how did they get the coffe down from outer space while still warm? Aug 20 04:00:26 and yes, i'm a a starbux now, but their wifi is good Aug 20 04:00:37 geist: bug them to do something with clover Aug 20 04:00:37 and this one is a mile away and open late Aug 20 04:00:49 Gameboy emulator gnuboy on the Pre Aug 20 04:00:51 jacques: it created the vacuum in the bottom part .. Aug 20 04:00:53 that sounds interesting Aug 20 04:00:55 jacques: it was REALLY cool Aug 20 04:00:55 yeah, i know. there are a couple starbuckses here with them Aug 20 04:01:02 Baddy: visualboyadvance/supernes for free, fwiw :) Aug 20 04:01:12 geist: lucky .. i've never had a cup from a clover Aug 20 04:01:21 but most of the clovers i've seen have been in the employ of Google or Googlers that have too much money on their hands Aug 20 04:01:37 heh Aug 20 04:01:43 google got one or two for each of their cafeterias Aug 20 04:01:55 very cool Aug 20 04:02:25 geist, we have a roaster out here that does some cool profiling for all their coffee sources .. all computer controlled and whatnot Aug 20 04:02:30 why are you still thinking gb or snes when it probably makes for a nice n64 machine ;) Aug 20 04:02:46 javispedro: for sure! :). esp with a nice bt controller! ^.^ Aug 20 04:02:51 does WebOS have emulators? Aug 20 04:02:52 probably ps1 too... Aug 20 04:03:00 Yea I think it does, Framework Aug 20 04:03:05 Nice Aug 20 04:03:14 I hope we can get Cm7 working asap Aug 20 04:03:20 what is the closest cm7 device Aug 20 04:03:22 webOS, meet Xoom. Xoom, meet webOS! Aug 20 04:03:24 dtzWill: oh, you did supernes true? have you tried mupen64plus? Aug 20 04:03:30 spec wise Aug 20 04:03:33 has to be something HTC Aug 20 04:03:40 javispedro: haven't attempted to port anything else Aug 20 04:03:41 Uh Aug 20 04:03:44 oh Aug 20 04:03:45 HTC Flyer? Maybe Aug 20 04:03:51 does the flyer have a CM7 port crew? Aug 20 04:03:59 I think the Flyer has the same/similar processor to the Touchpad Aug 20 04:04:01 I have some GUIless SDL version lying around, in case someone is interested Aug 20 04:04:20 or at least haven't gotten anyhting clsoe enough to releaseable >_> ;) Aug 20 04:04:42 javispedro: fun :). is the gles2 gpu backend open-source? Aug 20 04:04:52 eh, well.. Aug 20 04:04:56 it's a long story. Aug 20 04:04:59 what kind of epub support is there? Aug 20 04:05:06 can I read non-DRM epubs? Aug 20 04:05:36 dtzWill: everybody assumes it is oss but there's no proof for that, and original author gone missing. so everyone treats it like OSS. Aug 20 04:05:47 * phil_bw wanders by Aug 20 04:06:02 javispedro: interesting :/. Aug 20 04:06:04 either way by now it has changed so much from the original one that no one could probably make a case for it. Aug 20 04:06:12 hehe, good to know O:) Aug 20 04:06:25 so ahhh... lets get ahold of webOS 2.2 and port it to the pre- and pre 2 Aug 20 04:07:24 dtzWill: found the discussion: http://www.emutalk.net/threads/45564-Licensing-for-GlN64 Aug 20 04:07:30 dtzWill: (gles2n64 is based on that one) Aug 20 04:13:17 rwhitby, oil, nice pic Aug 20 04:13:25 (birthday pic) Aug 20 04:13:38 icon care of Templarian Aug 20 04:13:45 so this is Linux on WebOS devices? Aug 20 04:13:59 I see a lot of applications that are mainly command line Aug 20 04:14:00 yes Aug 20 04:14:10 I can use GTK applications if I compile them, too? Aug 20 04:14:19 i have no clue :/ Aug 20 04:17:03 Item being processed Aug 20 04:19:00 does the touch screen work with preware? Aug 20 04:19:13 yes Aug 20 04:19:48 Baddy: Yes, gtk should work if you compile it or use an ubuntu chroot Aug 20 04:19:52 Baddy, preware works on the touchpad, so by default it has to work via touchscreen Aug 20 04:23:49 man, now i get to sit in the livechat queue forever cause my girlfriend forgot to put the apartment number when ordering Aug 20 04:24:35 "Order being verified " Aug 20 04:24:41 well Aug 20 04:24:54 same here lol Aug 20 04:25:14 I see there is an amazon application Aug 20 04:25:22 am i missing something? the dealspl.us link shows $499 for the 32 Aug 20 04:25:27 aww you guys, now i'm gonna get tempted to get one Aug 20 04:25:32 though i already got enough tablets Aug 20 04:25:41 enough tablets? then don't buy it Aug 20 04:25:49 why would you want more than one Aug 20 04:26:03 i tell ya, if they had shipped it with an omap4 i'd had grabbed a touchpad the instant they came out Aug 20 04:26:06 totally hackable Aug 20 04:26:17 i'll have to wait for the next gen of androids, which will likely be omap4 based Aug 20 04:26:21 omap4 has some pretty serious horsepower Aug 20 04:26:22 hey, hey, what are you saying, geist? Aug 20 04:26:32 is the motorola photon omap4 based ? Aug 20 04:26:53 dunno, but i think that's where android is mostly heading towards Aug 20 04:26:57 oh nope - it's tegra Aug 20 04:27:03 damn you tegra! Aug 20 04:27:07 * geist hates tegra Aug 20 04:27:19 droid bionic is omap4 i guess Aug 20 04:27:33 Bionic is an OMAP4430 Aug 20 04:27:45 The Droid HD is a 4470 Aug 20 04:27:50 from a horsepower point of view, the snapdragon in the touchpad is about as fast as you can get with ARM at the moment Aug 20 04:27:58 If webos has a opengl acceled ui now? Aug 20 04:28:04 Nexus Prime will either be a 4470 Aug 20 04:28:07 scropion cores are very competitive, and it's dual and running at 1.2 Aug 20 04:28:34 however, the adreno gpu leaves a bit to be desired Aug 20 04:28:47 Still, a decent bit of hardware Aug 20 04:28:54 Hello :) Does anyone know of any guides/information related to putting ubuntu on a touchpad? Aug 20 04:28:54 all that stuff about hp running on the ipad2 is a bunch of bull Aug 20 04:28:57 geist, really? the pixi gpu looked like it did better than the pre gpu in some stuff Aug 20 04:29:16 yeah that's my impression too Aug 20 04:29:25 the ipad2 is actually somewhat underpowered, all in all, but apple is very good at getting the most out of what they have Aug 20 04:29:57 there's something to be said for serious optimization .. Aug 20 04:30:17 even tightening up some loops that are run often can really make a huge difference Aug 20 04:30:18 apple is very very good at optimizing what in the end largely matters: eye candy, appearance of speed Aug 20 04:30:25 right Aug 20 04:30:43 the android guys are i think finally learning that hard lesson Aug 20 04:30:45 it doesn't have to be fast for real - just perceived to be quick .. animations and transitions help with that Aug 20 04:30:53 yep Aug 20 04:31:06 the lack of newbs has just been broken Aug 20 04:31:13 finally learning what hard lesson? Aug 20 04:31:22 Berzerker, :/ Aug 20 04:31:23 that you have to focus on stupid eye candy Aug 20 04:31:34 as much as you think it's dumb Aug 20 04:32:57 I don't care at all about eye candy Aug 20 04:33:09 I want to be able to do whatever I want with my phone Aug 20 04:33:20 Not be force fed applications and rules Aug 20 04:33:33 then you are a better person tham most Aug 20 04:33:46 pretty sure everyone wants that Aug 20 04:33:51 it's the carriers that don't want it Aug 20 04:34:10 And you could consider me an Android/Google fanboy Aug 20 04:34:10 :P Aug 20 04:34:24 i can tell you as the owner of an ipad and a xoom that i really just enjoy the ipad experience a lot more Aug 20 04:34:28 http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/240926-x-server-pre.html Aug 20 04:34:31 my tears of joy Aug 20 04:34:34 cannot stop Aug 20 04:34:57 hah cute Aug 20 04:35:08 Xecutah is pretty impressive on the touchpad Aug 20 04:35:16 would that work on the touchpad? Aug 20 04:35:29 it's made specifically for the tp i believe Aug 20 04:35:35 rwhitby is the main guy behind it Aug 20 04:35:39 As an owner of an iPad, Xoom, and Touchpad, I prefer the Xoom Aug 20 04:35:41 Well Aug 20 04:35:42 well, it says "for the pre" Aug 20 04:35:46 the Touchpad and Xoom are almost equal Aug 20 04:35:49 but the Xoom as more apps Aug 20 04:35:50 so Aug 20 04:35:53 http://twitpic.com/5rg5rr Aug 20 04:35:55 Xoom >= Touchpad Aug 20 04:36:07 nice Aug 20 04:36:08 if that's your metric, then ipad > * Aug 20 04:37:18 Baddy: welcome ;) Aug 20 04:37:28 I just think people have not take full use of the power of gpu in linux world now Aug 20 04:38:34 geist, does apple have a whole team dedicated to low level optimizations ? Aug 20 04:38:47 geist: If you are an apple fanboy, why are you here? Aug 20 04:38:55 trsohmers: when did i say that? Aug 20 04:39:10 Well you seem to think that Apple makes a superior product to anything Aug 20 04:39:13 bpadalino: they do. in fact, they wrote all their gpu drivers from scratch, with documantation from the hw vendor Aug 20 04:39:22 where can I get the full specs for the touch? Aug 20 04:39:23 trsohmers: no. i was pointing out the fallacy in your logic. Aug 20 04:39:33 I would never say that anyone makes a better product than anyone else… obviously I haven't used everything Aug 20 04:39:34 geist, a good idea - since gpu drivers are mostly written like shit Aug 20 04:39:48 trsohmers: by your metric, app # is the sole metric that matters. by that logic, ios > * Aug 20 04:40:11 My point was that the Xoom and touchpad where at a tie… the app meter broke that tie Aug 20 04:40:28 bpadalino: my theory is that's why SGX has turned into such a good gpu. they've had a very tight loop with the powervr guys and have fed back a lot of input into subsequent designs Aug 20 04:40:36 most of the gpu vendors just toss the linux driver over the wall and move on Aug 20 04:40:40 trsohmers: my apologies then Aug 20 04:41:03 trsohmers, why so? Aug 20 04:41:04 geist, it seems SGX is also supporting OpenCL which will be interesting as well (at least i think it will) Aug 20 04:41:26 trsohmers: the reason i'm here is i was one of the principal developers on webos back in the day, and thoguh i have not been at hpalm in a year, I felt I should stop in and see how the community is taking it Aug 20 04:41:50 bpadalino: neat. omap4 is sgx based, which is why i have high hopes for it Aug 20 04:41:59 I thought I recognized you as an hpalmer Aug 20 04:42:04 most of the other vendors (marvell, qualcomm, nvidia) have their in house gpu Aug 20 04:42:05 geist, yeah - we've got omap4's at work .. it has so many cores inside .. so much power Aug 20 04:42:07 I bought my first webOS device two weeks ago, and returned it today Aug 20 04:42:08 and dual channel memory Aug 20 04:42:15 and hopefully will be buying another one (or 100) today Aug 20 04:42:31 bpadalino: yah, have had a lot of fun with the pandaboard Aug 20 04:42:40 oh nice - yeah, very cool board Aug 20 04:42:50 though it's a 4430. i thik the 4440+s are really hot Aug 20 04:42:59 talking to my android buddies, they're quite impressed Aug 20 04:43:10 it's not just a process change ? Aug 20 04:43:11 especially after dumping months of their life into tegra Aug 20 04:43:26 i think they fixed some other memory controller issues and whatnot Aug 20 04:43:31 oohh, interesting Aug 20 04:43:32 i still miss my nokia n810, it was a sad day when they dropped meego Aug 20 04:43:45 TI has a long history of that. the first cpu in a family tends to have some teething issues that take a revision to fix Aug 20 04:44:26 yeah, lots of errata on their website .. but at least they've got decent access to their documentation Aug 20 04:44:34 yep. TI is good people Aug 20 04:44:43 But short on Pandaboards Aug 20 04:44:53 that was part of why i become less interested in working there, since it was clear qualcomm was the future of palm's direction Aug 20 04:44:57 qualcomm, nvidia and marvell seem to want to own your soul before they tell you how many core voltage pins there are Aug 20 04:45:08 We have 10 panda boards at the lab I work at… and we ordered another 90… about 700 panda boards are on backorder Aug 20 04:45:19 that's a lot of panda boards Aug 20 04:45:20 Pandaboard=TI OMAP4 development board Aug 20 04:45:24 marvell is interesting. I've worked with them. they basically wont deal with you until you're part of their inner circle Aug 20 04:45:51 Marvell=SoC Nazi's (As in Seinfeld Soup Nazi) Aug 20 04:45:53 then they're quite open about how stuff works. in a lot of ways much more open than most, even up there at TI level of 'what do you need to know?' Aug 20 04:46:00 No Soup for you! Aug 20 04:46:12 nooo, no one is even remotely as bad as nvidia Aug 20 04:46:12 No development/PogoPlugs for you! Aug 20 04:46:14 geist, so if you're in the inner circle - the komono is open .. but otherwise, f you ? Aug 20 04:46:24 they are complete and utter assholes to work with. run far far far away from them Aug 20 04:46:45 bpadalino: probably. thoguht they've got some open source stuff, their sheevaplugs Aug 20 04:46:51 and they have full linux and bsd ports now Aug 20 04:46:54 ah Aug 20 04:47:11 and it's not a bunch of binary user space drivers sitting on top of thin shims in the kernel like nvidia was doing a few years back Aug 20 04:47:29 before android (the company) ripped them a new one and wrote their own port to the tegra Aug 20 04:47:44 So, I get a full linux-based device with support for native GTK applications and the Gnome DE for $139? Aug 20 04:47:47 Holy crap, man Aug 20 04:47:48 interesting - i didn't realize they wrote their own Aug 20 04:48:09 marvell is actually quite large, they just haven't made much of a dent in the smartphone market Aug 20 04:48:19 they mostly power RIM devices and tons of chinese stuff you haven't seen Aug 20 04:48:26 Why the hell did I say PogoPlugs, I meant Sheevaplug Aug 20 04:48:27 they've been owned by intel for a while now, haven't they ? Aug 20 04:48:28 and a lot of storage stuff Aug 20 04:48:33 Oy I haven't used a Sheevaplug in a while Aug 20 04:48:41 god no. intel sold xscale to marvell Aug 20 04:48:43 like 6 years ago Aug 20 04:48:47 oohh Aug 20 04:48:55 maybe that's what i was thinking about Aug 20 04:48:59 ok Aug 20 04:49:00 marvell is the only other company other than qualcomm that makes their own cpu cores. sheeva Aug 20 04:49:10 ARM cores, that is Aug 20 04:49:11 trsohmers, hopefully we can get cyanogenmod on it :) Aug 20 04:49:26 I'll be working on it, k-e-v Aug 20 04:49:32 samsung doesn't modify/tweak the ARM cores for their stuff ? Aug 20 04:49:35 they just take it as-is ? Aug 20 04:49:41 they dont design their own, no Aug 20 04:49:45 interesting Aug 20 04:49:56 when you get a cortex-a* from ARM, you basically get the verilog to it Aug 20 04:50:08 and there are a few top level options: size of L2, whether or not you put neon in it, etc Aug 20 04:50:31 Geist Aug 20 04:50:42 Samsung has their Exynos processors Aug 20 04:50:42 you still have to lay it out and all that, and wire up the external peripherals to the AXI busses and whatnot Aug 20 04:50:46 or whatever they are called Aug 20 04:50:47 geist, so then most just throw it through magma and go nuts ? Aug 20 04:50:53 bpadalino: yeah Aug 20 04:50:59 gotcha Aug 20 04:51:30 a few companies have licensed the actuall instruction set. Marvell, Qualcomm, Microsoft (announced this year, no one knows why), probably one or tw others for low end chips Aug 20 04:51:51 trsohmers: exynos is a cortex-a9 based design Aug 20 04:52:04 geist: I'll have some very interesting pictures for you on Tuesday or so Aug 20 04:52:04 anyway, gotta go Aug 20 04:52:11 geist, take it easy - buy a tp tomorrow Aug 20 04:52:17 heh, got enough toys as it is Aug 20 04:52:21 :) Aug 20 04:52:22 Not sure how deep you are in the industry Aug 20 04:52:27 trsohmers: quite Aug 20 04:52:36 been doing cell phones for 10 years now Aug 20 04:52:39 but we got a very cutting edge board in the lab right now Aug 20 04:52:50 A15 based Aug 20 04:53:00 sweet. a15s are going to be nice Aug 20 04:53:11 haven't seen one in the wild yet, I assume their sampling with a few vendors Aug 20 04:53:24 I haven't played around with it yet Aug 20 04:53:33 Haven't signed an NDA yet either, haha Aug 20 04:53:34 geist, yeah - better just wait for the OMAP5's Aug 20 04:53:39 exactly Aug 20 04:53:59 current company i'm with isn't dealing with cortexes now, so i'm out of the loop a bit for the last year Aug 20 04:54:23 I'll be playing around with it on Tuesday Aug 20 04:54:31 i've seen some ARM cores with PCIe on them .. Aug 20 04:54:33 2.0ghz dual core Aug 20 04:54:37 it looks pretty interesting Aug 20 04:54:40 Can't wait to see how far it can be overclocked Aug 20 04:54:59 bpadalino: yep. all of the marvells have pcie Aug 20 04:55:10 Then we are supposed to be getting some quad core SoCs in November or so Aug 20 04:55:10 TI has stayed away from it, except maybe omap5 Aug 20 04:55:29 anyway, laters. dont say too much without your nda, trsohmers Aug 20 04:55:36 later Aug 20 04:55:38 remember this is probably publically logged Aug 20 04:56:20 hey, i'm coming here from AndIRC and i have a few questions about WebOS Aug 20 04:56:24 Nice, haha Aug 20 04:56:38 specifically the touchpad Aug 20 04:56:44 Greetings ProTekk, do you know if jcase is over there? Aug 20 04:56:50 Too lazy to join haha Aug 20 04:56:56 trsohmers: he's probably passed out drunk as usual Aug 20 04:57:01 Typical Aug 20 04:57:05 i know lol Aug 20 04:57:24 Him and P3Droid were leaking some Nexus Prime stuff on twitter Aug 20 04:57:47 we're curious on porting android over to the touchpad Aug 20 04:58:02 Already on it, ProTekk Aug 20 04:58:16 does anyone know who, if anyone, else other than hp.com sells the unlocked pre2s? Aug 20 04:58:22 trsohmers: mind hopping into our channel on andirc? Aug 20 04:58:31 Uhg..sure Aug 20 04:58:35 but I'm going to bed soon Aug 20 04:58:43 try ebay? Aug 20 04:58:50 got a pretty bad headache and have to get up to go buy a Touchpad again Aug 20 04:58:58 What channel? Aug 20 04:59:01 trsohmers: no rush, if another time works better for you that's fine Aug 20 04:59:09 I'll jump on over Aug 20 04:59:13 what channel? Aug 20 04:59:20 much appreciated :) #touchpad Aug 20 05:06:21 oh god Aug 20 05:06:28 this is something special indeed Aug 20 05:06:48 I just wonder how much work it will take to get Ubuntu up and running on this thing Aug 20 05:06:57 who cares about ubuntu Aug 20 05:06:59 Android :D Aug 20 05:07:06 on a pre? Aug 20 05:07:31 on HP Touch Aug 20 05:07:42 HP Touchpad, sorry Aug 20 05:07:45 lol Aug 20 05:07:52 oh, maybe try meego Aug 20 05:09:35 32GB just sold out Aug 20 05:09:43 from HP? Aug 20 05:09:46 for real? Aug 20 05:10:03 are accessories on sale? Aug 20 05:10:08 lol Aug 20 05:11:28 hopefully my order goes through, it's still in the verification stage Aug 20 05:11:36 acydlord: mine tok forever Aug 20 05:11:40 * dtzWill in for 3 Aug 20 05:12:19 verification :( Aug 20 05:12:43 app store doesn't have anything on a fullblown linux distribution Aug 20 05:12:47 errr "order being verified" nvm :( Aug 20 05:12:58 mine is in verification too :( i think because i used a coupon code Aug 20 05:13:17 no coupon code here Aug 20 05:13:18 but 3 Aug 20 05:13:19 lol\ Aug 20 05:13:50 they did put ubuntu on netbooks... Aug 20 05:14:47 patrickc: i used the $30 coupon and it's at "Item being processed" Aug 20 05:14:50 what if they cancel our orders? Aug 20 05:14:57 my 2nd order is still on "being verified" Aug 20 05:15:10 such disappointment Aug 20 05:15:17 Baddy: then it sucks to be us Aug 20 05:15:24 My Item is Processing Aug 20 05:15:57 on hp.com? Aug 20 05:16:09 yes Aug 20 05:16:34 it says 99 or 150? Aug 20 05:17:34 $128.31 Aug 20 05:18:03 used the $30 coupon though Aug 20 05:18:26 hmm...out of stock I guess...don't see lower price lol Aug 20 05:23:12 I wonder if there are more people than usual on as a result of this sale Aug 20 05:24:06 32GB showing up as OOS now? Aug 20 05:24:10 maybe i missed it Aug 20 05:25:54 it is OOS Aug 20 05:30:04 i'm gonna be a sad panda if my order gets declined, hopefully they reserved units as orderes were place and not as they were verified Aug 20 05:30:32 oh well, maybe next few years we'll see a device this cheap Aug 20 05:30:57 there's still a lot of stock at retailers that haven't dropped their prices, so it's either going on sale there or going back to HP Aug 20 05:31:56 nothing will go back to HP Aug 20 05:32:15 HP may reroute it to woot or tigerdirect, but it won't go back to HP Aug 20 05:32:15 hp wont buy back an EOL product Aug 20 05:32:23 i'm sure they just wrote it all off Aug 20 05:32:34 someone in AUS said he called the major retailer there and they said they pulled them off of the shelves and were sending their stock back to HP Aug 20 05:32:34 yep, it was written off in the earnings call Aug 20 05:33:09 lonequid: different situation. it was on sale in Australia for 4 days total. Aug 20 05:33:22 lol really Aug 20 05:33:36 thats just bad Aug 20 05:34:01 shortest known electronic consumer product lifetime in Australian history Aug 20 05:34:15 one for the books Aug 20 05:34:17 lol Aug 20 05:34:50 this is the funniest part of HP Australia's website though: http://www.hpwebos.com/au/ Aug 20 05:34:56 did the ms kin make it to au? Aug 20 05:34:57 the Pre has never been sold in Australia Aug 20 05:35:04 dwc-: it did not Aug 20 05:35:06 hah Aug 20 05:36:34 * phil_bw gets a smile seeing the old PalmOS stuff on the australian site as well Aug 20 05:36:39 yeah Aug 20 05:36:43 just saw facebook 1.0 Aug 20 05:36:44 lol Aug 20 05:36:46 wow the "new" palm pre Aug 20 05:37:15 https://twitter.com/trsohmers/status/104788233908531200 Aug 20 05:37:21 thanks for downloading Facebook10_Installer.prc Aug 20 05:37:30 and that's astraware sudoku that my wife logged a million hours on on her centro Aug 20 05:37:43 what a nostolgic page, thanks rod Aug 20 05:39:19 oh man, I just clicked on smartphones under products... introduced me to the "new" treo pro Aug 20 05:39:26 and I thought my web site was horribly outdated... Aug 20 05:40:03 trsohmers: good to see some folks with actual kernel and graphics driver credentials taking that up, compared to the jokers who had tried the reverse (webOS on HTC phones) before Aug 20 05:41:03 trsohmers: i'm in boston (downtown for work), i'll lend a hand if need be. Aug 20 05:41:07 Cydia package to enable installations of (simple, no services) Enyo apps on the iPad? Aug 20 05:41:15 could meego be ported to a pre? Aug 20 05:41:25 Probably not useful, since you'd need to get a version of Enyo to distribute… :\ Aug 20 05:42:06 Awesome, thanks rwhitby and nebula Aug 20 05:44:49 rwhitby: I'm also thinking about possibly trying to port webOS to Android devices, but we don't expect to do that anytime soon Aug 20 05:45:21 hmm...so hp's going to continue developing webos probably or not? Aug 20 05:45:50 you don't need to distri ute Aug 20 05:45:59 distribute e yp Aug 20 05:46:02 enyo Aug 20 05:46:12 just get it from a doctor Aug 20 05:46:13 trsohmers: LIES! Aug 20 05:46:39 ProTekk: webOS is actually pretty nice... Aug 20 05:46:50 js54321: depends if they follow through on putting webos on their printers i guess. Aug 20 05:46:54 just looking at some SS's it looks good Aug 20 05:47:01 but i lieks my green d00d Aug 20 05:47:02 since they are selling their PC business as well Aug 20 05:47:58 acydlord: yeah, lol Aug 20 05:50:11 i wonder if they are planning on having printers and hp-ux float the company Aug 20 05:50:54 "After 33 minutes on the phone I got my 4 16 GB ones canceled! " Aug 20 05:50:54 looks like they are gearing up for enterprise software Aug 20 05:51:00 I suppose that's it then Aug 20 05:51:13 for what? Aug 20 05:51:36 Baddy what are you talking about Aug 20 05:51:47 the Touchpad sales on hp.com Aug 20 05:51:50 making a franken pre 2 - does that cross any legal lines? Aug 20 05:51:58 no Aug 20 05:52:10 k thanks Aug 20 05:52:19 the radio remains the same. we just put a different apps processor and screen on it. Aug 20 05:52:57 yeah just wondering, only voids warranty I guess lol Aug 20 05:54:10 i have a deactivates sprint comm board, pre is broken though. can i stick into pre plus to activate? Aug 20 05:55:01 I would think so, have you seen the wiki? Aug 20 05:55:31 i was under the assumption the comm board had to be activated prior to swap. Aug 20 05:55:48 but wanted to check here Aug 20 05:55:53 yeah, idk about that Aug 20 05:56:38 seems like you could build it then get sprint to activate it? Aug 20 05:56:55 i don't think it will properly activate Aug 20 05:57:47 you mean like activate palm profile? Aug 20 05:58:00 no the comm board Aug 20 05:59:16 Good night, all Aug 20 06:05:32 kirksutton: on the Wiki it says you need an activated sprint pre... Aug 20 06:07:25 kirksutton: the comms were never activated? Aug 20 06:07:34 iirc, the reasoning is that you need the activations bits if your stuff isn't activated Aug 20 06:07:56 and the activations for sprint are only on platforms they were officially released for Aug 20 06:08:22 acydlord: he said it was from a broken pre Aug 20 06:11:02 they were activated once upon a time Aug 20 06:11:32 thank you for the info Aug 20 06:11:41 that is what i thought Aug 20 06:16:16 my pre has just been sitting around since i replaced it with an optimus Aug 20 06:20:52 still rockin my pre woo Aug 20 06:23:27 i still have a pixie somewhere. with a stylish orange case Aug 20 06:23:42 er, pixi Aug 20 06:23:51 that's what they ended up calling it in the wild Aug 20 06:24:33 wondering if the patch update process is still going forward... Aug 20 06:28:13 i still use my pixi for my business line, it's easy for texting and emailing, touchscreen on the optimus sucks for typing Aug 20 07:26:45 rwhitby: ping Aug 20 07:28:00 PatrickC_TP: fixed the PEBKAC ? Aug 20 07:28:12 the add launcher tabs doesn't seem to work in 3.0.2 Aug 20 07:28:15 ohh Aug 20 07:28:17 rwhitby: yeas Aug 20 07:28:26 yeah* Aug 20 07:28:46 I needed to use the preware bootstrap Aug 20 07:29:09 no you didn't, but that's beside the point. Aug 20 07:29:23 ok.. Aug 20 07:29:41 FFFFFFFFUUUUUUU BEST BUY Aug 20 07:29:42 http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Computers-Promotions/HP+TouchPad+return+and+Price+Match+policy+details/pcmcat250800050019.c?id=pcmcat250800050019 Aug 20 07:29:51 They are not selling any more Touchpads Aug 20 07:29:55 but the add launcher tabs didn't work when installing via preware.. Aug 20 07:39:12 trsohmers: HP might have agreed to take them back maybe Aug 20 07:39:34 I want to buy them :( Aug 20 07:40:09 bestbuy probably doesn't want any more returns than it already has, and doesn't want to pricematch the ones it sold Aug 20 07:40:24 it probably paid more than 100/150 for them Aug 20 07:40:36 so returning them would be a better value than pricematching Aug 20 07:43:01 trsohmers: that bb link 404s for me :\ Aug 20 07:43:09 what? Aug 20 07:43:14 bestbuy link Aug 20 07:43:18 I know Aug 20 07:43:20 but thats weird Aug 20 07:43:24 :( Aug 20 07:43:45 http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Computers-Promotions/HP+TouchPad+return+and+Price+Match+policy+details/pcmcat250800050019.c?id=pcmcat250800050019 Aug 20 07:43:49 weird Aug 20 07:43:55 oh Aug 20 07:43:57 i see Aug 20 07:44:25 interessant Aug 20 07:45:35 price just changed at bb Aug 20 07:46:41 What? Aug 20 07:47:02 damn it. was looking at the ca website Aug 20 07:54:08 Can you install debian on the touchpad? Aug 20 08:23:53 can you run webos internals on a touchpad yet? Aug 20 08:24:46 webos internals software? yes Aug 20 08:25:22 i couldn't find a wiki page for it, can you link me please? Aug 20 08:25:46 which software are you trying to run? Aug 20 08:26:19 i'm just doing research, as the touchpads are now $99 Aug 20 08:28:01 samDodrill: where can you get it in that price? Aug 20 08:28:09 bestbuy, starting tomorrow Aug 20 08:28:31 you didn't know? Aug 20 08:28:57 no I didn't and I live in Finland Aug 20 08:29:19 samDodrill: Best Buy is not going to be providing Touchpads anymore Aug 20 08:29:22 they are not selling them Aug 20 08:29:33 trsohmers: i called my local one earlier today Aug 20 08:29:41 they confirmed it Aug 20 08:30:05 Seriously? Aug 20 08:30:05 Awesome Aug 20 08:30:13 trsohmers: I know Aug 20 08:30:18 imma take advantage of it Aug 20 08:30:40 to confirm. preware on touchpad is go? Aug 20 08:33:27 yes Aug 20 08:33:38 oil: :D Aug 20 08:33:45 thanks for your time Aug 20 08:35:35 wtf internet Aug 20 08:35:49 peer must have gotten you Aug 20 08:35:54 you have to run from him Aug 20 08:35:56 like the FBI Aug 20 08:36:03 hate that guy Aug 20 08:36:55 so, does the webOS use X internally? Aug 20 08:37:58 no, i dont think so? Aug 20 08:38:13 direct framebuffer rendering like android? Aug 20 08:38:13 (i really just write the js) Aug 20 08:38:17 OIC Aug 20 08:41:24 does anyone know how to setup tor on a touchpad or pre or whatnot? Aug 20 10:04:30 Hello Channel Aug 20 10:04:43 HELLO, INTERNET USER. Aug 20 10:05:55 I started having trouble with yahoo mail earlier today, anyone seen anything similar Aug 20 10:06:06 [palm pixi] Aug 20 10:06:19 TDL: I saw a precentral article about it just today -- look there. Custom settings it looked like. Aug 20 10:06:19 it's complaining about an ssl cert being invalid Aug 20 10:06:34 I must've missed that Aug 20 10:07:03 At least I think it was PC. Aug 20 10:08:15 that actually looks like a different error, but it may infact be related Aug 20 10:08:34 I apologise, internet user, for potentially misleading you. Aug 20 10:09:06 not a problem, I had actually seen something similar, the general recourse for broken yahoo sync seems to be manually enter the server data Aug 20 10:09:21 unfortunately, the problem I'm encountering is it complaining about the server's ssl cert Aug 20 10:09:24 Or, nuke Yahoo's site from orbit -- it's the only way to be sure. Aug 20 10:09:32 Hmmm interesting theory Aug 20 10:09:41 (Alien movie quote, if you didn't get it) Aug 20 10:10:02 Sadly, I suspect that every touchpad available at the $99 price in the US has already been sold. Aug 20 10:10:03 I don't know that I've seen too many of the alien movies start to finish Aug 20 10:11:04 weird, I refreshed about 20 mintues ago and they were on firesale Aug 20 10:11:09 now I refresh and they are not Aug 20 10:11:46 try calling HP Aug 20 10:12:11 there was also a stackable coupon code for 15 off 100, and 30 off 150 for .edu addresses Aug 20 10:13:33 Really, it's a crying shame what they didn't do with the things. Aug 20 10:14:17 it is rather unfortunate Aug 20 10:14:35 I said at launch they should've just undercut the market at 300 Aug 20 10:14:45 taken the loss, and built the market position Aug 20 10:15:42 what they are doing now just makes little sense, unless they have third party hardware vendors already lined up, in which case they should have announced that before announcing the hardware cancelation Aug 20 10:15:53 Spent actual money on marketing that doesn't suck, and stay in the game long enough to build up a critical mass, say, until it's shipping on every high end printer HP sells as a matter of course. Aug 20 10:16:16 shipping on the printers isn't particularly useful, or interesting Aug 20 10:16:38 No, but it's a very large market over the course of a few years. Aug 20 10:17:02 yeah, but it doesn't really get them anything that their existing proprietary printer systems don't already have Aug 20 10:17:16 Using a modified but app compatible quickstart option for their whole PC/laptop line wouldn't have been a bad start either. Aug 20 10:17:35 more interesting, but less useful Aug 20 10:18:05 That's the sad thing, HP had the ability to _guarentee_ a big enough market of users to get a critical level of apps, they just couldn't be bothered to try. Aug 20 10:18:37 if they were willing to take the loss like they are now Aug 20 10:18:46 they could've just thrown a free touchpad in with every pc sale Aug 20 10:18:54 Yeah. Aug 20 10:19:00 then not only would they have massive distribution with consumers Aug 20 10:19:04 Anyhow, I'm going to bed, have a good night. Aug 20 10:19:05 but tons of businesses as well Aug 20 10:19:07 Yep. Aug 20 10:19:08 goodnight sir Aug 20 10:19:21 Goodnight. Aug 20 10:19:52 does anyone have any idea how to force an ssl cert update under webos? Aug 20 10:20:05 does the openssl command line app do this? Aug 20 10:20:36 TDL: Can you be more specific? Aug 20 10:20:57 trying to login to yahoo mail on my pixi is exploding Aug 20 10:21:04 it complains that the ssl cert is invalid Aug 20 10:21:24 I figured something was expired, and that a newer cert might need to be downloaded/installed Aug 20 10:21:38 not sure which cert it is in the cert chain Aug 20 10:21:50 I'm a windows person, don't know too much about *nix Aug 20 10:22:18 openssl s_client -verify 9 -connect host:port Aug 20 10:22:30 The output from that will give you a better idea what the problem is. Aug 20 10:22:49 Piping the output through something along the lines of: Aug 20 10:23:13 openssl s_client -verify 9 -connect yahoo.com:993 | sed -ne '/-BEGIN CERTIFICATE-/,/-END CERTIFICATE-/p' | openssl x509 -noout -text | grep '\(DNS\|Subject:\|Not \|Issuer:\|Algorithm\)' Aug 20 10:23:19 Will spit out a fair bit of information. Aug 20 10:23:22 so what is that something like palm.imap.mail.yahoo.com Aug 20 10:23:42 No clue what host and port it's connecting to by default, you'll have to figure that part out. Aug 20 10:24:15 will it take a dns name, or just an ip? Aug 20 10:24:43 DNS is fine. Aug 20 10:26:55 running script Aug 20 10:27:50 verify depth is 9 depth=2 /C=US/O=DigiCert Inc/OU=www.digicert.com/CN=DigiCert High Assurance EV Root CA verify error:num=20:unable to get local issuer certificate verify return:1 depth=2 /C=US/O=DigiCert Inc/OU=www.digicert.com/CN=DigiCert High Assurance EV Root CA verify error:num=27:certificate not trusted verify return:1 depth=1 /C=US/O=DigiCert Inc/OU=www.digicert.com/CN=DigiCert High Assurance CA-3 verify return:1 Aug 20 10:27:54 feh Aug 20 10:27:59 stupid web client Aug 20 10:29:01 do people still use mirc, or didn't that go to pay or something? Aug 20 10:41:12 rcing Aug 20 10:54:06 woo less schiesty client Aug 20 12:21:24 is it worth getting a hp touchpad for $99 Aug 20 12:21:55 can I hack the crap out of it? Aug 20 12:28:19 Yes Aug 20 12:36:48 the store opens in 1.5 hrs, im gonna be there :) Aug 20 12:40:25 Not discounted on Amazon UK yet, if ever Aug 20 12:40:40 Considering getting one but it would be a bit difficult to get one from the US and ship it to Finland Aug 20 12:51:58 does it play divx and other formats for video files Aug 20 12:52:09 cant seem to find any info Aug 20 12:53:32 yea Aug 20 12:56:07 BREAKING: OfficeMax is shipping touch pads back to HP Aug 20 12:57:47 trsohmers: hopeflly that helps HP fulfill my order ;) Aug 20 13:00:12 haha Aug 20 13:08:16 back from walmart with 2 32GB touchpads Aug 20 13:09:04 now if only I could get webos 3.0 on my pixi :) Aug 20 13:18:05 i'm gonna grab the 16gb unless its sold out Aug 20 13:21:48 it's sold out in many places Aug 20 13:22:03 16 is a better deal no doubt unless you really need that extra storage Aug 20 13:24:23 futureshop lists stock Aug 20 13:24:30 doesnt say how many Aug 20 13:24:37 so im gonna be there first thing Aug 20 13:24:39 40 minutes Aug 20 13:34:59 nice, go canada :) Aug 20 13:36:35 hi@all Aug 20 13:37:25 I finally managed to install Preware 1.7 on a HP Veer Aug 20 13:37:43 but now I can't update any feeds Aug 20 13:38:02 seems I need some help ... Aug 20 14:07:46 my BF told me that I'm acting like HP and I are breaking up Aug 20 14:12:52 Just got a 32gig Touchpad at Staples for $149! Aug 20 14:14:23 nice Aug 20 14:14:45 it's still full price on their website :( Aug 20 14:15:34 ^ Aug 20 14:16:13 and out of stock... at least wally world here still has them. I can see them in the case, just no display unit out Aug 20 14:16:34 I got them to price match Office Depot Aug 20 14:16:36 it is a little shocking how attached you can get to a platform Aug 20 14:16:59 RagingMind: They listed my stores out of stock as well… it seems Staples website doesn't want you to know the truth Aug 20 14:17:03 Try calling your local store Aug 20 14:17:13 there is no local store here Aug 20 14:17:48 there's an office max that stopped selling them yesterday. a wally world that's full price... and then there's a best buy ~2 hours away Aug 20 14:21:59 yeah there's a best buy 40 miles away with some here in central illinois Aug 20 14:29:40 I found a buy it now TP on ebay for $200, but I don't have the money till next month Aug 20 14:29:50 I hope I can still find one cheap next month :( Aug 20 14:30:17 Scary… maybe these things will be worth MORE Aug 20 14:30:19 haha Aug 20 14:30:39 http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-TouchPad-16GB-Wi-Fi-9-7in-Black-BRAND-NEW-/260838651778?pt=US_Tablets&hash=item3cbb31f782 Aug 20 14:30:52 please... someone here give one or both of them a good home? :) Aug 20 14:31:02 my order is still in the being verified stage on hp Aug 20 14:32:01 stupid amazon, i want my $300 back Aug 20 14:32:02 :P Aug 20 14:32:19 trsohmers, at staples? Aug 20 14:32:24 in the store? Aug 20 14:32:26 or online? Aug 20 14:32:45 what? Aug 20 14:32:51 Just got a 32gig Touchpad at Staples for $149! Aug 20 14:32:58 Yea in store Aug 20 14:32:59 I'm determined to get a TP and I'm a VERY stubborn person Aug 20 14:33:04 try frys.com, call them and see if they will match Aug 20 14:33:05 They price matched to Office Depot Aug 20 14:33:15 oh Aug 20 14:39:14 Call the Staples 1-800 number… they are price matching people no questions asked with 1 day shipping. Aug 20 14:39:57 would they do a $99 16GB touchpad? Aug 20 14:42:07 Probably only $130 Aug 20 14:42:13 if you reference Office Depot Aug 20 14:43:49 Anyone wanna help with getting Blackboard Learn app to work with non-Sprint devices? Aug 20 14:44:51 wow still quite a crowd Aug 20 14:48:37 GET YA TOUCHPADS AT WALMART! Ask the manager to check the "markdowns" list that is only visible for managers. They'll see lowered price. Aug 20 14:53:24 Heck yes! got Blackboard working :) Aug 20 14:55:12 they're all sold out in a 50 mile radius for me Aug 20 14:56:22 Meh, my TP is outside the 14day return for Office Depot so Im stuck with it Aug 20 14:57:21 Trying to call hp to verify my order went through it has been stuck in processing for 10 or so hours Aug 20 15:18:28 mine still says verifying, but they didnt bring up any issues on livechat when i had to correct the shipping address Aug 20 15:34:46 any one noticing that touchpad update network is down and app catalog is unavailable? Aug 20 15:39:19 that'll suck Aug 20 15:40:13 don't have a touchpad, but app catalog on the pre2 seems ok Aug 20 15:42:01 keeps complaining no data connection even though browsing works. Maybe there a bunch of new touchpad users trying to update ;-) Aug 20 17:01:28 hello friends in webOS world Aug 20 17:04:59 hello Aug 20 17:05:35 my pre3 is somewhere in DHL hongkong's fascility now! :) Aug 20 17:05:52 nice! I hope they give you some money back Aug 20 17:06:42 they deducted 40 pound Aug 20 17:06:46 i'm keeping it Aug 20 17:07:14 hopefully will reach me on monday Aug 20 17:07:37 can i ask a noob question here? Aug 20 17:08:07 ~asktoask Aug 20 17:08:07 This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. Aug 20 17:10:02 do i just follows this tread in precentral to activate my pre 3 in unofficial country? Global Paid App Catalog Access for new unlocked GSM Pre 2 devices (using Impostah) Aug 20 17:10:35 http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/281075-global-paid-app-catalog-access-new-unlocked-gsm-pre-2-devices-using-impostah.html Aug 20 17:11:31 i had a pre- which was previously activated in uk, so no prob with app cat.. Aug 20 17:11:49 now tht the pre 3 will have it's 1st activation, i'm worried Aug 20 17:12:43 in step 6, rod said: 6) Once the device has booted, you should connect to WiFi (you must have a stable WiFi connection available for the rest of this procedure), and install Preware and Impostah (Impostah is currently only available in the Testing Feeds). Aug 20 17:13:22 i havent intall preware via wifi b4, how to do tht? Aug 20 18:09:24 If I have an original pre running the latest WebOS that went to Sprint users, are there known exploits to be concerned about? If this is not the right chan to ask this question in, please direct me to the right one Aug 20 18:41:28 I don't know if you guys got lucky...but I managed to grab 2...one 32 and one 16 from Office Max.... Aug 20 18:42:08 I drove right by the OM on my way to return empty handed from OD... how much were they selling it for Aug 20 18:42:55 $99 and $149 Aug 20 18:42:57 I'm in Chicago Aug 20 18:43:06 mine was probably out anyways Aug 20 18:43:08 Bought it from the store on Fullerton... Aug 20 18:43:09 stupid silicon valley Aug 20 18:43:22 They actually had 3, but the worker had one under the counter for himself Aug 20 18:44:12 don't forget they have display models too that they'll have to sell Aug 20 18:44:24 the Costco by my house had 30 of them...but $499?! Aug 20 18:45:55 I didn't even remember the OM was there... I hardly ever go there Aug 20 18:46:04 oh well... I'm sure if they had any they're sold out now Aug 20 18:46:22 though... Aug 20 18:46:41 yea... 113.17 for the 16 vs the $142 for the 32 I might have coming from hp.com Aug 20 18:47:02 You'd be surprised dude, I went to TigerDirect, STaples, microcenter, costco...none of them had it... Aug 20 18:47:06 walmart needless to say was out. Aug 20 18:47:21 I don't like walmart... and it's too far to bother Aug 20 18:49:45 Yeah no shit...it's like kill season over there...and that's without us geeks trying to jack each other for their not yet purchased ipad Aug 20 18:49:48 sorry...touchpad... Aug 20 18:49:52 I can't believe I typed that. Aug 20 18:50:08 someone kick me.... Aug 20 18:50:11 kidding. Don't Aug 20 18:50:38 aww Aug 20 18:50:46 I haven't kicked anyone in ages Aug 20 18:53:06 alright...go ahead, I actually deserve it Aug 20 18:53:47 DO it, do it.. Aug 20 18:54:52 dooooooooo eeeeeeeeeeet Aug 20 18:55:22 hold on, it's been so long I forgot how Aug 20 19:00:16 bah, I can't figure it out, maybe I lost privs at some point Aug 20 19:03:51 figured it out Aug 20 19:23:37 futureshop refused to sell me one Aug 20 19:24:00 the store I went to said it would rather ship them back to HP than to sell it 75% off Aug 20 19:24:31 i think the employees want them Aug 20 19:27:30 does futureshop sell other tablets? Aug 20 19:31:41 that is a fair argument Aug 20 19:34:18 you bastards! Aug 20 19:34:22 Who kicked me!?? Aug 20 19:34:25 hahaha Aug 20 19:34:26 kidding. Aug 20 19:35:09 :-D Aug 20 19:35:47 I apologiseze for the delay in servicing your request. Aug 20 19:40:21 futureshop tried pushing me towards a crappy ipad Aug 20 19:40:34 I was like "No thanks I don't fucking want a Big Brother Pad assholes" Aug 20 19:43:58 jacques: no problem...customer service is going to shit everywhere...paycuts, due to bad economy, result in shitty customer service... Aug 20 19:44:26 yeah :-( Aug 20 19:46:13 I bought the last 32gig at our staples, sams club was sold out at 10am (basically when they open for non-business) Aug 20 19:46:29 I don't think our walmart even carried it yet Aug 20 19:47:09 I really wonder where all these tps will end up Aug 20 19:48:12 Well...the officemax's that I was going to supposedly "were sending them back" Aug 20 19:48:21 but I think their employees were just buying them up. Aug 20 19:49:06 I think stores like BB, which sell lots of other tablets, don't want their $500+ tablet sales affected by the fire sale Aug 20 19:50:21 probably back on HP's website Aug 20 19:52:19 hello Aug 20 19:52:25 who here has a touchpad? Aug 20 19:55:36 If I have an original pre running the latest WebOS that went to Sprint users, are there known exploits to be concerned about? If this is not the right chan to ask this question in, please direct me to the right one Aug 20 19:55:51 this would be the last 1.4x version of the OS Aug 20 19:55:58 I am asking because I would like a partition list of the nand? Aug 20 19:56:34 what does that have to do with a partition list? Aug 20 19:57:13 well, if someone here has one, they'd be able to run commands to print it? Aug 20 19:57:35 I've searched the wiki but nothing Aug 20 19:58:06 what do known exploits have to do with a partition list Aug 20 19:58:28 i am not retry? Aug 20 19:58:35 I didn't ask about known exploits? Aug 20 19:58:42 two different people, dwc- Aug 20 19:59:03 dwc-: different people :p Aug 20 19:59:12 my partition list is non-standard Aug 20 19:59:19 read fail Aug 20 19:59:25 heh, name highlight, but no help :/ Aug 20 19:59:27 (a)bort, (r)etry, (f)ail Aug 20 19:59:29 :D Aug 20 19:59:34 * retry aborts, fails Aug 20 20:01:05 retry: you might be interested in the linux LVM commands Aug 20 20:01:25 Great...now what do I do with this thing... Aug 20 20:01:37 logical volume manager? Aug 20 20:01:42 why would I care about that Aug 20 20:01:49 UGH Aug 20 20:02:02 rz950: you might be interested in the linux LVM commands Aug 20 20:02:22 do I update to 3.0.2 then devmode it?...or devmode it then 3.0.2 it? Aug 20 20:02:29 I don't have one myself, if not I would not be asking for a list from someone else :P Aug 20 20:03:54 so we are all using devices where nobody is updating software and the underlying linux base to deal with security issues Aug 20 20:04:00 and I'm the only one concerned by this? Aug 20 20:04:30 no, you are not the only one concerned Aug 20 20:04:45 so is anybody talking about it online anywhere? Aug 20 20:04:58 I googled but only got old stuff like that nasty SMS sploit Aug 20 20:07:35 WHere do you guys suggest getting a full skin for this thing.... Aug 20 20:10:04 Hey guys :) Aug 20 20:20:31 RavenII|: he display models are not for resale. they are tagged behind em by hp. Aug 20 20:21:23 Bullshit. I asked the chick at staples..."Sorry, it's on hold for someone" Aug 20 20:21:42 Rip that sticker off, they'll be able to sell it...haha. Aug 20 20:24:18 oh god, not in here too >_>' Aug 20 20:24:43 People are going crazy for TP's like they print money or something Aug 20 20:24:55 edude03: yours doesn't? :) Aug 20 20:25:02 No? Aug 20 20:25:23 Maybe if I could get novacom running I'd be able to enable that feature :D Aug 20 20:27:39 sure, you could mine bitcoins with a tp Aug 20 20:43:04 the update won't take, am I missing something? Aug 20 20:43:07 Thats true Aug 20 20:46:42 No one? Aug 20 21:23:19 woo got my pre3 here Aug 20 21:24:27 preware works Aug 20 21:24:28 mostly Aug 20 21:24:36 preview screen shots are sorta zoomed in Aug 20 21:33:34 noxis: where'd you get it from? Aug 20 21:34:51 .. Aug 20 21:35:31 I tried walmart office depot target officemax staples costco all with no luck. anymore ideas? Aug 20 21:35:53 Jack87: Nope, wait for HP to get all of theirs back from Costco... Aug 20 21:36:07 this late in the day, I'm surprised you're still trying to be honest... Aug 20 21:37:02 haha I started pretty early but not early enough Aug 20 21:37:58 I have also called everyone one of the stores in a 50mile radious with no luck. who would think hick towns in utah would have people that want a TP Aug 20 21:38:24 Developer devices are still priced the same. Aug 20 21:38:33 meh Aug 20 21:38:38 even early starters got screwed Aug 20 21:38:42 staples refused me Aug 20 21:38:48 then turned around and sold them later Aug 20 21:38:54 same with officemax Aug 20 21:39:08 but i got one online last night i'm just an impatient asshole Aug 20 21:39:27 I read the news on my way home from vegas. I knew I should of just gone to a 24 hr walmart. oh well Aug 20 21:40:20 sampson: I am to :). if only I wasn't so Dan tired. Aug 20 21:40:54 I really didnt think it be this big of a hit in utah as I'm the only person with a TP I seen since launch Aug 20 21:41:42 I have not tried best buy yet. do they seem pretty strict about the price? Aug 20 21:41:49 they aren't selling them at all Aug 20 21:42:42 oh.. doing the return to vendor thing like HP Aug 20 21:42:43 can anyone test my blackboard patch? http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/292382-patch-blackboard-learn-app-all-devices.html Aug 20 21:43:05 haha they don't want anything to compete with the ipad sales I'm sure Aug 20 21:45:56 I wonder if HP will make things right for those of us who paid full price. otherwise they will look really bad Aug 20 21:46:25 one can hope Aug 20 21:48:01 but if they cared about looking bad. they never would of pulled this fiasco Aug 20 21:48:21 w00t just got 2 more on smb store Aug 20 21:48:24 halfhalo: how are things for you going over there. Aug 20 21:49:08 smb store is ful price? Aug 20 21:49:17 nah its 99 now for 16 gb Aug 20 21:49:18 we're planning on returning ours to BestBuy.. as we got another 32 this morning Aug 20 21:49:26 however.. seems I can't locate a second one now :( Aug 20 21:49:39 keep trying hp smb store Aug 20 21:49:44 its slow as hell but itll finally go Aug 20 21:49:57 I'm on a "Out of memory" error right now with their checkout Aug 20 21:50:00 been that way for a while Aug 20 21:50:02 garbs: what's the sub store Aug 20 21:50:04 if that happens, go back Aug 20 21:50:07 Jack87: interesting Aug 20 21:50:08 and click button again Aug 20 21:50:15 refreshing the errored page never worked for me Aug 20 21:50:19 i was at this for like 2 hours Aug 20 21:50:20 halfhalo: good luck Aug 20 21:50:26 what? 99 for real? Aug 20 21:50:31 of course Aug 20 21:50:36 not 99 when you add it in the cart but when you check out it's back at 399? Aug 20 21:50:39 Jack87, those who paid full price at HP can get refunded the difference Aug 20 21:50:40 i got 2 for a little over 215 after tax Aug 20 21:50:46 that's what it was doing earlier -_- Aug 20 21:51:00 not anymore Aug 20 21:51:04 those who paid full price at BB can still return them for full refund due to extension of return windw to 60 days Aug 20 21:51:49 jacques: explain more about the difference refund. (must be bought direct from hp?) Aug 20 21:52:21 Jack87: Or best buy afaik Aug 20 21:55:30 every plave is sold out of TPs Aug 20 21:56:45 anyone getting lucky online? Aug 20 21:56:50 oh. I got the small biz cart to load Aug 20 21:56:59 two of them Aug 20 21:57:05 yep, keep going dude Aug 20 21:57:08 one regular one: Aug 20 21:57:10 -Smart Buy- HP TouchPad Wi-Fi 16GB-Black Aug 20 21:57:11 FB454UT#ABA Aug 20 21:57:18 one non-regular one: Aug 20 21:57:20 HP TouchPad Wi-Fi 16GB-Black - This unit has full warranty but does not qualify for the return policy! Aug 20 21:58:15 anyone seen touchpad cheap in UK yet? Aug 20 21:58:55 more importantly: anyone seen pre3 cheap in UK yet! Aug 20 21:59:02 i already got a pre3 Aug 20 21:59:03 :P Aug 20 21:59:12 cheap? Aug 20 21:59:17 just contract Aug 20 21:59:24 ordered it the day the news broke Aug 20 21:59:38 if they come out cheap inside my 7day return period i'll send back Aug 20 21:59:48 having problems with gtalk at the moment Aug 20 21:59:49 grrr Aug 20 21:59:56 i can recieve messages but get a error every time i try to send Aug 20 22:03:11 I'm kinda leery of ordering from a store that spits errors Aug 20 22:03:17 9/10 requests Aug 20 22:03:27 what if when I hit refresh to get past the order screen I end up with 9 orders Aug 20 22:03:57 dwc-: joy? Aug 20 22:04:00 lol Aug 20 22:04:04 of course now I'm stuck at the ssl login screen Aug 20 22:05:04 hopefully the stock bestbuy is sending back will make it out somewhere Aug 20 22:05:11 i should have bought a couple last night Aug 20 22:05:20 before everything was sold out Aug 20 22:05:32 lol vbscript out of memory for HP's website Aug 20 22:05:33 did you buy any? Aug 20 22:05:44 no Aug 20 22:06:05 its not too late Aug 20 22:06:35 where is setlling them online now at hte firesale price? Aug 20 22:06:44 HP SMB store Aug 20 22:06:47 hp small business website Aug 20 22:06:50 if you have patience Aug 20 22:06:55 lol Aug 20 22:06:58 I keep getting errors while trying though lol Aug 20 22:06:59 as long as you like vbscript errors Aug 20 22:07:16 important thing is to go back and hit button instead of refreshing error pages Aug 20 22:07:18 is terminus the only way to get a prompt and therefore ssh? Aug 20 22:07:23 coz it doesnt load on the pre3 Aug 20 22:07:29 terminus, xterm Aug 20 22:07:34 where is xterm? Aug 20 22:07:38 not in preware? Aug 20 22:08:06 do you have the testing feeds on? Aug 20 22:08:11 ah yea Aug 20 22:08:14 forgot about that Aug 20 22:08:18 * oil only sees out of stock please check back soon Aug 20 22:08:51 that sounds like home store Aug 20 22:08:53 is it small business or home oil? Aug 20 22:09:13 clicked the small business link Aug 20 22:10:04 ugh,I cant do this. it just errors. Aug 20 22:12:46 garbs: does smb store require anything to qualify Aug 20 22:12:56 appears not Aug 20 22:13:04 i got my confirmation without any special info at all Aug 20 22:13:36 * oil will just wait, more will show up somewhere Aug 20 22:14:31 and then you must buy more then TOO! Aug 20 22:17:45 do you get the same vbscript error? Aug 20 22:17:55 I do Aug 20 22:17:58 over and over Aug 20 22:18:38 crimson and clover Aug 20 22:19:30 woo yea, irssi from pre3 Aug 20 22:19:50 * noxis wonders where all the keys are Aug 20 22:21:05 I can add to cart but can't view cart Aug 20 22:21:20 me either Aug 20 22:22:12 I'm browsing on tp and hope it doesn't matter Aug 20 22:22:50 it doesnt Aug 20 22:23:38 HP academy shows sold out :'( I wish I could buy from there Aug 20 22:23:50 yeah, hp sold out completely last night Aug 20 22:24:06 i got mine through epp and it just now shows processing Aug 20 22:24:40 garbs: did you just keep hitting refresh? or did you have to back 8ut and re add to cart everytime and try again Aug 20 22:24:53 i found back to be better Aug 20 22:24:59 its annoying but it works Aug 20 22:25:05 i also waited at least a few mins between attempts Aug 20 22:25:34 Jack87: i had to use incognito mode in chrome for it to work right Aug 20 22:26:08 acydlord: good call thanks I'll try private browsing on tp Aug 20 22:30:28 every now and then I get one comment please loading cart Aug 20 22:30:36 but then get a blank white page Aug 20 22:30:53 I've been getting nothing but "Out of memory" error whenever I hit the cart Aug 20 22:31:42 shit I got the cart Aug 20 22:31:57 finally? Aug 20 22:32:00 then got vb error when I tried to update to 2 quant Aug 20 22:32:27 call in Aug 20 22:32:33 phones are down Aug 20 22:32:51 you call in, you get a recorded message saying they are having technical difficulties and to call back Aug 20 22:33:09 HP is dying Aug 20 22:33:11 probably busy laying people off lol Aug 20 22:33:33 I'm wondering if the Shareholders actually approved this plan Aug 20 22:34:17 I feel like all of HP just crawled under a rock and will wait this out Aug 20 22:34:17 knowing hps track record, probably not Aug 20 22:36:40 500 error Aug 20 22:36:42 weeee Aug 20 22:36:43 just got a touchpad and what i don't get is how do you figure out the apps for the phone and the touchpad Aug 20 22:36:55 just got a 324 error Aug 20 22:36:56 it says (for touchpad) Aug 20 22:37:11 a lot of them say for touchpad but they are for the phone Aug 20 22:37:26 or HD for touchpad Aug 20 22:37:39 not for me. the listing always says for touchpad if its coded for it. Aug 20 22:37:41 oh Aug 20 22:38:00 so where did the 800 touchpad specific apps come from Aug 20 22:38:09 getting one moment please again Aug 20 22:38:14 thin air? Aug 20 22:38:30 ahhh went to vb error Aug 20 22:38:51 well they had to load that vb error up for you Jack87 Aug 20 22:38:54 I give up Aug 20 22:39:38 ok i see what you mean Aug 20 22:39:57 mmhhmm Aug 20 22:46:43 has anyone tried the cart with a different item Aug 20 22:47:03 WELL CRAP Aug 20 22:47:04 my cart loaded Aug 20 22:47:08 but I have like 5 touchpads in it Aug 20 22:47:12 ahaha Aug 20 22:47:13 and I don't want to have to remove them Aug 20 22:47:17 but I need to. Aug 20 22:47:41 and I lost my cart. Aug 20 22:48:23 lol Aug 20 22:48:36 I don't think it even removed then. Aug 20 22:48:40 s/then/them/ Aug 20 22:48:40 Tibfib meant: I don't think it even removed them. Aug 20 22:54:35 show out of stock now Aug 20 22:55:04 I get to shipping addy, then I get VB Aug 20 22:55:12 http://www.shopping.hp.com/product/rts_tablet/rts_tablet/1/storefronts/FB359UA%23ABA Aug 20 22:56:31 * Jack87 is trying a desktop in cart Aug 20 22:57:00 same error Aug 20 22:57:25 hp is shut down Aug 20 22:58:21 the sad part is those of us who want one to actually use as the tablet intended, as we're webos fans, probably won't get one Aug 20 22:59:54 I hate that dev device prices are still high Aug 20 23:01:55 greetings Aug 20 23:02:12 hey is there a hack for the camera on the hp touchpad? Aug 20 23:02:30 new error :-P HTTP/1.1 500 Server Error Aug 20 23:04:01 hey do ipk take forever to install on the touchpad? Aug 20 23:04:57 allo? Aug 20 23:05:35 ok then Aug 20 23:07:39 just got one of the tabs.. cant beat the price. anything I should or should not do with a new unit? Aug 20 23:08:00 does the uberkernel for touchpad, with govnah set to 1.5ghz, use more battery? Aug 20 23:08:07 IE, install the update? Aug 20 23:08:17 install the update first, then preware Aug 20 23:08:19 def. install the update to 3.0.2 Aug 20 23:08:29 3.0.2 >> 3.0.0 Aug 20 23:08:34 .68 Aug 20 23:08:44 ok Aug 20 23:09:22 is the ap store still up, the webpage suggested I get preware there. Aug 20 23:09:31 crimsonredmk, I dunno, there's some evidence that in some cases it uses less battery Aug 20 23:09:56 because the proc is at full speed for shorter times Aug 20 23:10:23 a long-running cpu-bound process might take slightly more battery though Aug 20 23:10:37 suckerforHP, app store should be up Aug 20 23:11:34 it's up for me Aug 20 23:12:49 once I have installed preware, is there a howto? Aug 20 23:13:03 a howto for what? Aug 20 23:13:17 use preware Aug 20 23:13:22 lol open it Aug 20 23:13:27 and that's it Aug 20 23:13:33 ok :) Aug 20 23:13:38 there's a ton of info at http://www.webos-internals.org/ Aug 20 23:13:41 simple is good Aug 20 23:15:47 Anyone know if there's some sort of country-lock in the TouchPad similar to the webOS phones? Aug 20 23:15:54 Eg. unlock in wrong country, no paid apps for you Aug 20 23:17:11 hi :-) Aug 20 23:17:28 they canceled the launch line sweep stakes. how fucking lame Aug 20 23:18:53 lol, microsoft is giving free shit to published webos devs Aug 20 23:19:49 hey guys, i'm currently getting an error trying to load preware's kernel feed (on veer 2.1) Aug 20 23:20:09 wget --passive-ftp failed... Aug 20 23:24:32 i can see why the device didn't sell Aug 20 23:25:01 and why would that be? Aug 20 23:25:24 slow as hell Aug 20 23:25:34 and the apps Aug 20 23:26:22 my TP is nice and zippy Aug 20 23:26:49 yep. my TP is fast... is your TP syncing new accounts? Aug 20 23:26:53 is it stock or you did all sorts of patches and tweaks Aug 20 23:27:13 Deihmos, I just got it out of the box, haven't had time to tweak anything Aug 20 23:27:17 kind of laggy Aug 20 23:27:25 all I did was update to 3.0.2 Aug 20 23:27:40 no lag here... your's must hate you ;) Aug 20 23:27:40 I see most people aggreeing with it being laggy,. lucky if it is fast for you Aug 20 23:27:47 mine was fast prior to patches, but patches made it smoother Aug 20 23:27:50 takes almost 15 seconds just to start quick office Aug 20 23:27:51 I'm also used to a Pre+ Aug 20 23:28:13 an my desktop computer is from 2001 Aug 20 23:28:23 SO... this thing is a speed demon :) Aug 20 23:28:34 the fond rendering in the browser isn't good either and the pdf app needs a lot of work Aug 20 23:28:38 font Aug 20 23:28:41 Deihmos, is your TP updated and not syncing new accounts/data? Aug 20 23:28:52 the sync is compelte Aug 20 23:29:00 and it is updated Aug 20 23:29:26 must be all relative since my TP seems fine Aug 20 23:31:42 my Quickoffice loaded in 7 seconds Aug 20 23:32:29 you don Aug 20 23:32:41 you don't have a problem with the font rendering either? Aug 20 23:32:48 I got to loading cart on HP SMB store Aug 20 23:33:25 my font render seems sharp to me. if I zoom in, the font is just as sharp but just bigger Aug 20 23:34:36 without zooming in the font looks terrible. can barely read it Aug 20 23:35:39 try another website? mine seems fine like on precentral Aug 20 23:36:47 nah looks the same all over. Read about it in the reviews but didn't think it was this bad Aug 20 23:37:12 i am going to use this device for videos and ebooks anyway Aug 20 23:37:33 now if only it could play mkv video files Aug 20 23:37:55 send me a screenshot. the kalemsoft media player does mkv though but I rather just convert Aug 20 23:39:18 what i think it needs is a little zoom. I cannot properly read webpages without zooming in Aug 20 23:39:36 when I had the galaxy tab websites didn't look like they do on the pad Aug 20 23:39:54 converting sucks for me Aug 20 23:40:53 i don't like the ideo of buying apps without know if they will work or not especially when there is no refund policy Aug 20 23:41:14 little zoom? pinch or just double tap the section Aug 20 23:41:38 ask the dev or go to his website Aug 20 23:42:28 what it needs is a little zoom and fit to page Aug 20 23:43:08 no big deal though. no plans for websurfing Aug 20 23:51:28 7 bucks for a video player with no trial Aug 20 23:51:48 hmm how long ndrive take to activate a beta tester application? Aug 20 23:53:23 Anyone in here? Aug 20 23:53:47 yep Aug 20 23:54:14 Who do I talk to about post existing WebOS development? Aug 20 23:55:13 I have a ton of users we got to go buy the product, and are looking at enhancing it and porting other open source projects tot the touchpad Aug 20 23:56:30 trsohmers: two choices - either remove the illegal redistribution from http://rootzwiki.com/showthread.php?t=3327&p=67699 or leave this channel Aug 20 23:56:54 Excuse me? Aug 20 23:57:16 you are excused Aug 20 23:57:44 trsohmers: this is your post, is it not? http://rootzwiki.com/showthread.php?t=3327&p=67698&viewfull=1#post67698 Aug 20 23:58:00 That is my post Aug 20 23:58:08 please remove it, or leave this channel. Aug 20 23:58:09 what exactly is being illegally distributed? Aug 20 23:58:19 the webOS doctor Aug 20 23:58:31 Isn't that a Palm tool? Aug 20 23:58:32 you do not have the right to redistribute proprietary webOS files Aug 20 23:58:46 hes right Aug 20 23:58:55 you can be sure that HP lawyers are looking at that post right now Aug 20 23:58:56 Could you explain more, please Aug 20 23:59:04 whole reason we metadoctor. Aug 20 23:59:17 trsohmers: you have done exactly the same as if you put a copy of Windows in that post Aug 20 23:59:29 * geist expects the corporate ninjas to descend on the trsohmers compound momentarily Aug 21 00:00:06 Hostility is high here Aug 21 00:00:08 one second, please… reading the terms on it Aug 21 00:00:22 b16: please read the /topic Aug 21 00:00:31 I am a mod there Aug 21 00:00:40 illegal acts are not acceptable. period. Aug 21 00:00:46 no tolerance. Aug 21 00:00:50 * noxis hides mp3 dir Aug 21 00:00:55 haha Aug 21 00:00:58 Going around and sticking fingers in chests are considered hostile Aug 21 00:01:13 Utilize your Shift+/ combo Aug 21 00:01:18 I can help Aug 21 00:01:21 b16: the channel rules here are clear Aug 21 00:01:40 I understand licenses Aug 21 00:01:44 also a bit early to assume since they are withdrawing support they are no longer defending their IP Aug 21 00:02:06 they are only withdrawing support for hardware, not software (yet) Aug 21 00:02:08 withdrawing suport? wheres that Aug 21 00:02:12 Well if you would care to explain a bit more Aug 21 00:02:27 *sigh* development, not support. Aug 21 00:02:30 pretty sure he made it clear Aug 21 00:02:33 God the internet shits me sometimes. Aug 21 00:02:37 I do not mean to infringe on anyone… HP/Palm or any FOSS Aug 21 00:02:39 trsohmers: posting the webosdoctor files modified or original is against the licensing Aug 21 00:03:02 trsohmers: not sure what there is to explain? Aug 21 00:03:04 Well, the people on it. Aug 21 00:03:09 Give me a moment Aug 21 00:03:10 trsohmers: webOS is not open source. your posting of HP files is an illegal act, infringing on the copyright laws of your country. Aug 21 00:03:24 I have no problem removing it, but I do find you are being a bit rude Aug 21 00:03:37 Thats my issue here Aug 21 00:03:39 unless you live in one of the minor outlying worlds Aug 21 00:03:47 hes saving your butt from a cease and desist or lawsuit Aug 21 00:03:48 ok I have found a bug with Pre3 webOS 2.2.0 Aug 21 00:03:53 althought I dont know if it was pre existing Aug 21 00:04:01 Instead of explaining ones tone, they just order people around Aug 21 00:04:02 you can only have one gtalk account working at a time Aug 21 00:04:17 lol Aug 21 00:04:19 just pull the link :) Aug 21 00:04:22 haha Aug 21 00:04:25 Give up Rod. Let them get a visit. Aug 21 00:04:45 trsohmers, b16: not rude, just giving you the facts. pull the link (and ensure others don't infringe in your project) and there will be no ongoing problem. Aug 21 00:04:50 rwhitby: Aug 21 00:05:08 it is possible to be rude while giving facts, haha. Aug 21 00:05:27 Is this just conceding the webOS Doctor jar file? Aug 21 00:05:32 concerning* Aug 21 00:05:36 Stupid lion auto correct Aug 21 00:05:43 has anyone gotten a confirmation email from the HP web store for their touchpad purchased yesterday ?? Aug 21 00:05:55 trsohmers: what is the license under which you are redistributing software that you did not write? Aug 21 00:06:01 ruumis: no you dont get one until it ships Aug 21 00:06:05 ahh Aug 21 00:06:10 so if its not listed as order being verified Aug 21 00:06:11 trsohmers: look at the metadoctor project if you'd like the correct way to do it under the license terms Aug 21 00:06:15 you should get one monday Aug 21 00:06:15 Well if I don't distribute the jar, which is the software Aug 21 00:06:23 thanks dawm|laptop Aug 21 00:06:35 modular, trsohmers :) Aug 21 00:06:37 trsohmers: you have no right to distribute any part of webOS which is not on opensource.palm.com Aug 21 00:06:39 anyone up for helping diagnose a possible pre hack incident & helping recover, please private message me ... Aug 21 00:07:04 bartholemew_: doctor didn't work? Aug 21 00:07:19 he wants to recover before doctor Aug 21 00:07:24 ah Aug 21 00:07:58 it's more than just recover ... a database that is supposed to be there is not and i'm not sure i can backup/recover my sms'es Aug 21 00:08:32 bartholemew_: that path i gave you might be 1.x Aug 21 00:08:40 i just googled and glanced Aug 21 00:09:11 i did find . -name \*.db3 from root dir and didn't get PalmDatabase.db3 showing up Aug 21 00:09:54 hrm Aug 21 00:09:56 apparently Aug 21 00:09:59 sms are stored differently for 2.x Aug 21 00:10:02 2.x backs it up to the cloud Aug 21 00:10:11 do they get restored too? Aug 21 00:10:13 oh really Aug 21 00:10:18 http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBkQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.precentral.net%2Fwebos-2-1-backs-your-text-messages-and-call-log&ei=FkxQTuLkNYT30gG7pZCWBw&usg=AFQjCNGqUNMkvH56sjY1Vx2hFabIBUfw5A Aug 21 00:10:20 errr Aug 21 00:10:20 trsohmers: are you going to act on this issue, or leave the channel? Aug 21 00:10:29 http://www.precentral.net/webos-2-1-backs-your-text-messages-and-call-log Aug 21 00:10:39 ah cool thanks ... reading ... Aug 21 00:10:53 altho MMS arent Aug 21 00:11:00 I'm going to remove the offending content Aug 21 00:11:17 MMS no biggie on that ... i only have pics people sent me of their food :D Aug 21 00:11:29 good decision. please remind the other developers in your project of the licensing terms of webOS too. Aug 21 00:12:14 I will say this about my new touchpad.. bloody hell its taking forever to install the update. Aug 21 00:12:49 suckerforHP, mine was similar Aug 21 00:12:52 I'm sure HP update servers are dying Aug 21 00:12:58 yeah Aug 21 00:13:02 due to 10000 new touchpad owners Aug 21 00:13:05 SMS have to be stored locally then backedup. Aug 21 00:13:10 so on 2.x does /var/luna/data/dbdata/PalmDatabse.db3 just not exist? sorry for noob questions, just in a panic over likely hack incident Aug 21 00:13:12 i heard 25000 Aug 21 00:13:26 I HEARD 350,000 Aug 21 00:13:30 that what BB sold, no? Aug 21 00:13:38 bartholemew, probably not since 2.x uses different database protocol Aug 21 00:14:02 * rwhitby bbl Aug 21 00:14:18 seeing how bestbuy had 250000 TP's alone, if all TPs are sold we could at least expect 2mil sold Aug 21 00:14:59 gah, I work for a major electronics retailer in the US, I was in two of their stores today, they sold all they had 15 minutes after opening, one had a lineup :) Aug 21 00:15:00 Abyssul-Pre: re: "SMS have to be stored locally then backedup." ... how do i know if my sms'es are actually backed up right now? backup app says my data was backed up today about an hour ago but i only have 1 2.x device to test the recovery on Aug 21 00:15:16 bartholemew_: /var/db/main/objects.db Aug 21 00:15:23 if it says it was backed up, it was Aug 21 00:15:38 my text messages even loaded on my TP. Aug 21 00:16:29 http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre-2/278630-dbdatabase-db3-not-found-webos-2-0-1-a.html Aug 21 00:16:35 excellent cool thanks Aug 21 00:17:14 makes you wish that HP sold the TP for 300 originally. Aug 21 00:17:24 I wish they did Aug 21 00:17:42 balance between market share and revenue loss Aug 21 00:18:14 the retailer markup is.. substantial. Aug 21 00:18:43 I think manu cost was like $350 Aug 21 00:19:00 316 if I recall Aug 21 00:19:12 sedorux: I can niether confirm or deny :) Aug 21 00:19:15 $318 to build Aug 21 00:19:44 maybe we wouldnt be in this situation if it was priced right to begin with.. Aug 21 00:20:01 HP also wouldnt have lost so much money by liquidating Aug 21 00:20:07 abyssul: no, price isnt a factor Aug 21 00:20:22 explain? Aug 21 00:20:52 disconnect between the talk/bravado and the walk/full retreat is staggering Aug 21 00:21:35 "doubling down"/"marathon not a sprint" vs. CFO on cc "this could take a *year* or *two* of *investing*" ... Aug 21 00:21:38 just staggering Aug 21 00:22:49 https://twitter.com/#!/BrynaAtHP/status/105024150829142016 Aug 21 00:22:55 apparently they are sold out Aug 21 00:23:29 until they get the 200k back from BB Aug 21 00:23:36 For those who ordered from SMB site, so sorry but it had glitch. Orders are out of stock. More coming soon. Stay tuned and try again. Aug 21 00:23:41 basically Aug 21 00:23:46 ouch Aug 21 00:23:50 a glitch lol Aug 21 00:24:44 I'm anxiously waiting... Aug 21 00:24:46 * Sedorox signs up to be notified Aug 21 00:24:47 cue pink floyd comfortably numb ... "ok (ok ok ok) just a little glitch .... there'll be no more AAAAHHHHHHH! ... but you may feel a little sIcK" Aug 21 00:25:01 maybe... if it goes Aug 21 00:25:04 hello? is there anybody in there? Aug 21 00:25:05 bartholemew: haha Aug 21 00:25:07 looks to be doing the same thing as the cart Aug 21 00:25:33 rwhitby: you around? Aug 21 00:25:48 he went "bbl" Aug 21 00:26:12 Well there is a huge issue I am trying to fix and would be nice to have someone in the know... Aug 21 00:26:28 what issue? he will read it when he gets back Aug 21 00:26:50 I Mod at RootzWiki Aug 21 00:27:08 Senior Mod, and we are trying to fix this toolkit issue Aug 21 00:28:31 I totally understand the frustration ov er the past few days and would like to see what I can do to help Aug 21 00:29:31 ok second part of my question - whole reason for data backup/doctor is i think i got hacked at the library - had SSH installed and devmode on and forgot about it ... and jumped on public wifi at the library for about 10 minutes ... plenty of folks sitting around with laptops that were likely full of malware Aug 21 00:29:52 Rwhitby was just warning him that his actions were illegal and either wanted him to revoke it or leave the channel. Aug 21 00:30:16 so ... wondering what might have gotten compromised on my pre2 ... for example my browser was logged into my webmail ... were those passwords vulnerable ? Aug 21 00:30:35 Abyssul-Pre: I got that, but being vague about the license infringement is not helping. Aug 21 00:30:55 bartholomew: seems really unlikely. Aug 21 00:30:56 bartholemew: ssh needs a private key to access the host phone Aug 21 00:31:03 b16: it's not "our" license... It's Palm/HP's... so they'll have the info, look there. Aug 21 00:31:07 bartholemew_: idk, malware usually isnt that smart Aug 21 00:31:38 so is that private key something that's installed on my pc when i install the pdk? Aug 21 00:32:08 no one can access your phone through ssh unless they have the key which is impossible. the key is a .ppk file that you use to login via putty or winscp every time Aug 21 00:32:14 Forgive my ignorance, I am not too familiar with HP/Windows/WebOS I am just trying to alleviate the issue Aug 21 00:32:30 and that key lives on my pc with my PDK installation i assume? Aug 21 00:32:44 the only thing that one can legally distribute is the opensource.palm.com code Aug 21 00:33:02 b16, the webos doctor files are not meant for redistribution Aug 21 00:33:15 I talked to one of the devs Aug 21 00:33:22 b16: but you can script to it I would bet Aug 21 00:33:25 the main issue is teh amount of files it comes with Aug 21 00:33:38 bartheolemew, depends on how you installed the ssh Aug 21 00:33:46 suckerforHP: ? Aug 21 00:34:04 b16, what about the amount of files? Aug 21 00:34:16 They said something about having unneeded files Aug 21 00:34:22 suckerforHP is just referencing to the Metadoctor project Aug 21 00:34:34 The dev leaves me hanging, I do Java/py Aug 21 00:34:49 unneeded files?... Aug 21 00:35:02 Hold up, let me see if I can get the guy Aug 21 00:36:34 Abyssul-Pre: thanks for the patience Aug 21 00:37:01 i used palm- cmdline tool to install dropbear (on windows xp) Aug 21 00:37:31 dropbear? install openssh on preware lol Aug 21 00:38:09 bartholemew, what program do you use to ssh in? Aug 21 00:38:58 putty Aug 21 00:39:38 and didnt you have to link a .ppk file to the program for logging in? Aug 21 00:39:54 sorry for noob questions, nope never had to do that Aug 21 00:39:55 that you made from puttygen? Aug 21 00:40:23 nope never was asked to do a key gen Aug 21 00:40:33 what instructions did you follow? link? Aug 21 00:40:40 just using what comes with PDK Aug 21 00:40:51 I'm pretty positive your data wasnt hacked Aug 21 00:41:18 do you ssh in wifi or usb? Aug 21 00:41:41 ya i have no idea. it's just that my pre2 started refusing to even boot and the only thing i had done recently that was different was to go on public wifi while in dev mode and with ssh installed Aug 21 00:41:53 i have always only ssh'ed in over usb Aug 21 00:42:29 what are your putty settings for port and address? Aug 21 00:42:31 i did multiple battery pulls and the only way my device will boot now is if i plug in my pc's usb cable while it is hung on the HP logo Aug 21 00:43:27 hang on ... Aug 21 00:45:32 not finding those settings in putty window ... thought i had seen them before though ... Aug 21 00:46:26 under sessions if I recall Aug 21 00:47:19 anyone has any tips to make the touchpad less laggy Aug 21 00:47:43 overclock, smoothness scrolling, sensitivtity and logging minimal patches Aug 21 00:48:00 and if it floats your boat, there is a faster animations patch Aug 21 00:48:08 I prefer without it Aug 21 00:48:21 typing this all out on a Pre ha.. Aug 21 00:49:45 is there any way to make it less laggy without having to install preware and those things Aug 21 00:50:11 ummm no, you asking a lot out of nothing Aug 21 00:50:56 hmm when i start putty from windows menu (HP webOS>webOS PDK>Putty) it logs me right in, there's no dialog asking me for host & port number Aug 21 00:50:58 if you just got the TP today, give it a day with wifi on. Aug 21 00:51:28 bartholemew, you are just using putty to novaterm in. there isnt any ssh about it Aug 21 00:51:39 your data is safe Aug 21 00:52:16 ok ... that's good to know ... now i just need to figure out why suddenly i can't boot unless a usb cable is plugged in Aug 21 00:52:35 may be hardware fault. Aug 21 00:53:03 problem with battery charging? Aug 21 00:53:05 yep could be. that would suck ... esp since everyone else but me pigged out on $50 pre2's on the hp website last night ... :( Aug 21 00:53:18 this device is well cared for, pretty new, and never dropped Aug 21 00:53:21 what?! where? 50 bucks? Aug 21 00:53:34 yep, last night. on shopping.hp.com Aug 21 00:53:39 gone in a heartbeat Aug 21 00:53:47 have you tried more than one battery? Aug 21 00:53:49 folks bot 10 or more at a time. pigs. Aug 21 00:54:04 (bot = bought) Aug 21 00:54:06 sadly the current hp websit blows up when you try to checkout Aug 21 00:54:08 damnit... I need a backup pre 2 since this is a franken pre Aug 21 00:54:09 bummer Aug 21 00:54:44 well i can try a different battery ... but this one is new and fully charged ... we'll see. Aug 21 00:54:47 trying ... Aug 21 00:55:30 try starting it from a charger too with a battery Aug 21 00:55:42 is there any actual data exchanged w/the battery at boot? Aug 21 00:56:04 mmhmm, how else does it know if the battery is dead? :p Aug 21 00:56:13 reads the voltage levels Aug 21 00:56:56 not my question but hang on we'll see what happens w/different battery Aug 21 00:58:19 what i meant was - is there any digital circuitry in the battery pack itself that says to the pre "here is a code that vouches that i am a non counterfeited OEM battery" ... Aug 21 00:59:32 yes Aug 21 00:59:54 ok this is interesting. it is booting if i plug in a usb charger cable (i.e. not a cable from my pc) ... but it won't boot on the touchstone Aug 21 01:00:03 idk that Aug 21 01:00:23 you could try doctoring as a last resort Aug 21 01:00:38 bartholemew_: which model is this? pre3? Aug 21 01:00:38 yep i am starting to get to the point of doing that ... Aug 21 01:00:41 pre 2 Aug 21 01:00:43 although this problem seems separate Aug 21 01:00:51 yeah, you have to plug into the wall for some stuff Aug 21 01:00:57 geist, since you've been doing cell phones/consumer electronics for a while - what's the typical design cycle time from concept -> product? 18 months or so? Aug 21 01:00:59 it's just the way the circuit is set up. not ideal Aug 21 01:01:21 bpadalino: yeah, 18 months is pretty average. once you get the pipeline going you can usually reduce it to 12 or so. apple has managed to pull that off Aug 21 01:01:25 so what happens when you try to boot with just the battery? Aug 21 01:01:30 but they're quite amazing Aug 21 01:01:31 right Aug 21 01:01:43 it just hangs at the hp logo. no animated throbber. Aug 21 01:02:08 geist, cool - thanks Aug 21 01:02:16 id try doctoring... Aug 21 01:02:17 i am curious to see the devices in the pipe that were cancelled Aug 21 01:02:21 the hp logo blinks for a split second and then hangs there, no glowing animation Aug 21 01:03:15 bartholemew_: it made it into the bootloader, but hasn't loaded the system yet Aug 21 01:03:18 there is a iama on Reddit of a webos employee Aug 21 01:03:26 or it failed to get the main process running Aug 21 01:03:39 ok wait ... now with the 2nd battery it does actually boot on the touchstone ... Aug 21 01:03:43 Abyssul-Pre: yeah i read some of that thread .. Aug 21 01:03:44 talked about how HP had devices in the pipeline but were scratched for unknown reasons Aug 21 01:03:58 going to try a restart on this 2nd battery w/out charger or touchstone in a moment here ... Aug 21 01:03:58 idk if its at al true though. seems fake to me. Aug 21 01:04:07 Abyssul-Pre: he seemed a little vague .. so it would ben ice to see pictures/specs/etc .. Aug 21 01:04:28 or even a confirmation by mods Aug 21 01:04:28 Abyssul-Pre: url? I can probably confirm or deny it Aug 21 01:04:32 maybe it is just the battery. these are all official batteries Aug 21 01:04:34 since i used to work there Aug 21 01:04:54 http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/jo2oz/iama_hp_web_os_employee_amaa/ Aug 21 01:05:02 that's the thread - apparently he is one of the ME guys Aug 21 01:05:50 geist - where is the boot process at when you get that first blink of the hp logo? Aug 21 01:05:53 yeah, that's legit Aug 21 01:06:05 bartholemew_: usually that's the kernel starting Aug 21 01:06:08 such a shame Aug 21 01:06:11 http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/jo2oz/iama_hp_web_os_employee_amaa/ Aug 21 01:06:20 damnit lol Aug 21 01:06:22 it momentarily resets the clocks in the system and whatnot, sot he display blinks for a fraction of a second Aug 21 01:06:35 the logo is initially drawn by the bootloader (bootie) Aug 21 01:06:38 how do you know its legi? Aug 21 01:06:53 then it loads the kernel, which inits for a few seconds then after a little bit the main process starts, which starts drawing the throbbing logo Aug 21 01:07:03 ok a cold restart on this 2nd battery ... guess i was being impatient with the stupendously long boot time of the pre. ;) Aug 21 01:07:21 give it 6 mins. mine takes 4 mins Aug 21 01:07:26 thx geist good to know Aug 21 01:07:35 so if it blipped it probably started the kernel and then for whatever reason didn't continue Aug 21 01:07:52 mmhmm Aug 21 01:07:58 ok booted fine off of 2nd battery ... going back to original batter to see what happens .... original battery shows 100%charge Aug 21 01:08:15 original battery may just be faulty Aug 21 01:08:30 geist, what makes you think its legit? Aug 21 01:08:42 there's nothing there that they didn't say that doesn't seem credible Aug 21 01:08:51 thx all. i know it is a cliche at this point but webOS dev community effing rawks and HP sux balls for doing what they've done. Aug 21 01:08:52 if it's a ME or EE then they wouldnt' have a lot of software details Aug 21 01:08:55 effing bean counters. Aug 21 01:09:00 and their job is probably about to dissapear Aug 21 01:09:18 seems like anything I could pull off of Precentral with vague guesses on the situation Aug 21 01:09:32 it's legit Aug 21 01:09:48 is it safe to say the touchpad woudn't be getting netflix? Aug 21 01:09:49 it must be you doing the AMA then o.O Aug 21 01:09:59 nope. i quit a year ago Aug 21 01:10:10 as soon as hp bought palm i saw all this on the wall and got the hell out Aug 21 01:10:12 deihmos, not exactly. HP said they are still working on the software. Aug 21 01:10:17 haha Aug 21 01:10:32 yet you still hang out with us :p Aug 21 01:10:48 actually no. i just popped in yesterday to see how you guys were taking it Aug 21 01:10:57 and there are a few people here I used to talk to back in the day when i was still working there Aug 21 01:11:02 bpadalino, rwhitby, etc Aug 21 01:11:09 not well o.O (cue to Precentral post by Derek) Aug 21 01:11:23 all true Aug 21 01:12:32 I wonder what Ruby is thinking Aug 21 01:12:45 he's enjoying his mansion in mexico, probably Aug 21 01:12:50 Ruby caused this Aug 21 01:13:03 the guy has no sense Aug 21 01:13:11 or he has the most sense of them all Aug 21 01:13:23 if you are going to launch a new platform couldn't they have done better than the Pre Aug 21 01:13:33 and the pixi Aug 21 01:13:37 now the veer Aug 21 01:13:49 yep.it was constantly frusterating to us that the hardware was so flaky and the marketing was strange Aug 21 01:13:52 its a mixture of everything for webos' downfall Aug 21 01:14:14 geist, who was the hardware manufacturer and any idea why the HW was so flaky ? Aug 21 01:14:23 only thing that kept it alive for so long was probably homebrew Aug 21 01:14:32 bpadalino: depends on the product. I dont know about the new ones Aug 21 01:14:39 geist, looking through the kernel patches for the tp, it looked like 11 prototypes to get it right .. which seems like a lot to me Aug 21 01:14:41 anyway, not gonna throw any mud Aug 21 01:14:54 i have no idea about the touchpad Aug 21 01:15:18 other operating systems are so smooth while webos is so slow. I think that played a part in it to Aug 21 01:15:29 yep Aug 21 01:15:33 perceived speed is definitely an issue Aug 21 01:15:44 i was a low level software guy, mostly worked on guts, so it was a bit frusterating Aug 21 01:15:45 i remember seeing a girl in a class i took with a pre and asked if she liked it. She complained how slow it was Aug 21 01:16:52 I really liked the pre when i first got it then I soon realized it wasn't going any where then the speed was becomign frustrating Aug 21 01:16:54 wasnt slow to me but its all percieved as different Aug 21 01:17:20 Pre2 is plenty good for me now. solid and smooth Aug 21 01:17:49 yeah, i think the first gen hardware was just a bit too slow to run webos 1.0, which was completely un hardware accellerated Aug 21 01:17:52 prob stick with it until webos dies or a new devices comes out Aug 21 01:17:58 the photo app is nice. would be nicer if you could facebook albums in it Aug 21 01:18:15 deihmos, you can do that with 3.0 Aug 21 01:18:39 I mean view contacts facebook pics Aug 21 01:19:23 it syncs your facebook friends to your contact list where it uploads their default pics Aug 21 01:20:01 downloads, not uploads* haha Aug 21 01:20:12 i mean view there albums in the photo app Aug 21 01:21:48 oh.... that would be a lot of cloud and data Aug 21 01:22:03 just use the fb app for that... Aug 21 01:22:34 i can do it on htc phone Aug 21 01:23:06 seems useless to me, but whatevs :) Aug 21 01:23:56 i like it Aug 21 01:25:22 the browser is really bare-bone Aug 21 01:25:42 cannot set a home page or tweak any settings Aug 21 01:25:48 whine whine whine Aug 21 01:27:28 it is the truth Aug 21 01:27:56 so that means it is not whining? Aug 21 01:28:58 I mean, I whine with the best of them, but really, why would you buy a device if you are just going to complain (where no one is listening that could fix your issues)? Aug 21 01:29:25 i have a sealed 32gb touchpad, sell it or keep it? Aug 21 01:29:56 flash67: is that your only one? Aug 21 01:30:08 i work for futureshop, i can get more Aug 21 01:30:18 well, I'd keep at least one Aug 21 01:30:43 http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopping/product_detail.do?storeName=storefronts&landing=handheld&category=iPAQ&a1=Type&v1=Palm&product_code=FB324AA%23ABA&catLevel=2 Aug 21 01:30:50 out of stock $50 pre2's .. Aug 21 01:31:12 is that gsm or cdma model Aug 21 01:31:39 did they also discontinue the veer Aug 21 01:32:13 unlocked gsm Aug 21 01:32:26 can you even get cdma unlocked Aug 21 01:33:46 I need a cheap Pre2 lol, forget TPs Aug 21 01:34:15 I wish I knew earlier, I hope they get back in stock. I'll have to set up an alert fr the website Aug 21 01:34:18 http://www.amazon.com/Palm-Pixi-Plus-Verizon-Contract/dp/B004IPAC10 - i guess so Aug 21 01:34:46 no such thing as cdma unlocked Aug 21 01:34:48 i'll take 5 of them at $50 ... will run webOS 2.x for the next 20 years. :D Aug 21 01:35:03 over my dead body... Aug 21 01:35:04 figured that Aug 21 01:37:26 i would not pay 10 bucks for a pixi Aug 21 01:38:35 really... I would. Aug 21 01:38:48 terrible phone Aug 21 01:39:09 all opinion :) Aug 21 01:41:20 pixi+ Aug 21 01:51:47 barthelowmew_, did you get it working? Aug 21 02:06:01 Hey everyone. I guess there is no documents on how the touchpad boots eh? Aug 21 02:06:17 Or flashing it from a "bricked" state? JTAG pads? serial port? Aug 21 02:06:31 unknown if the tp can be bricked Aug 21 02:07:00 I'm going to try and boot android on it, but I don't want to try if I can't a way to recover it Aug 21 02:07:14 +find Aug 21 02:07:20 edude03: there is a way to enter bootie (the bootloader) and memboot a new kernel Aug 21 02:07:31 OK Aug 21 02:08:54 hmmmmm Aug 21 02:09:06 Actually, since the TP runs linux already it Aug 21 02:09:15 's probably not to hard to setup a dualboot Aug 21 02:09:50 It would be easier than trying to boot android from a loopback fs probably Aug 21 02:10:26 does android require anything special done in the kernel, or is it all userland stuff ? Aug 21 02:11:04 if it's userland, can you utilize the current kernel, and just kill all the palm/webos specific stuff .. or make adapters for the services that do the IO to adapt to an android UI ? Aug 21 02:12:29 Android has a bunch of kernel mods unfortunately but depending on the kernel version of the TP I might be able to build an android kernel with the TP kernel sources Aug 21 02:12:47 Which I'm assuming are released already :P Aug 21 02:13:53 yes, opensource.palm.com has the kernel patch Aug 21 02:15:22 Yeah just found them :) Aug 21 02:19:44 you won't Aug 21 02:19:57 webos, at least when i attempted this two years ago was ancient kernel wise Aug 21 02:20:15 like a .20 difference between webos and android Aug 21 02:20:25 and that was between webos 1.4 and android 1.6 Aug 21 02:21:31 tp kernel is 2.6.35 Aug 21 02:22:03 wow they actually updated the kernel Aug 21 02:22:10 android is at 2.6.39 IIRC Aug 21 02:22:14 lemme boot my atrix and see Aug 21 02:23:24 and when i last looked into this stuff a lot of the drivers weren't released because they weren't GPL so didn't need to be Aug 21 02:24:22 That's fine. The great thing about linux is most of the common hardware has drivers already Aug 21 02:24:44 and we can pull binary blobs from webos and use them if necessary Aug 21 02:25:17 if you do somethingl ike that you'll lose support fo this channel pretty quickly Aug 21 02:25:23 they're very very very strict on legality Aug 21 02:25:30 where can I find an app to play .mkv files? Aug 21 02:25:48 sorry Aug 21 02:26:07 sampson well the general rule of open source projects is that no one will help until they see something working Aug 21 02:26:33 knoxvle_: http://code.google.com/p/mplayer-webos/ maybe Aug 21 02:26:49 So if it required a borrowed driver to get the screen to work (for example) it could be replaced when someone skilled enough comes along to write a new opensourced driver :) Aug 21 02:27:07 b16: back now if you need any more info Aug 21 02:27:46 rwhitby: long time no chat :) Aug 21 02:27:49 ok pm me please Aug 21 02:27:59 thanks sampson! Aug 21 02:30:06 Looks like mplayer-webos doesn't support the touchpad yet though :/ Aug 21 02:30:38 you're going to run into that quite often Aug 21 02:31:18 does puff still hang out here? Aug 21 02:32:18 I can imagine since the touch pad has been out for what? 2 months? Aug 21 02:35:45 thanks for the tip on bootie bpadalino :D that will really come in handy soon Aug 21 02:35:53 yep Aug 21 02:36:00 thank geist - he's the one who wrote it Aug 21 02:36:29 It blows my mind how many palm/hp people hang out in IRC Aug 21 02:37:05 webos has the best homebrew community sir Aug 21 02:37:35 well, geist quit when HP bought palm .. but yeah, there are a decent number of people who were around who were inside palm/hp who stop by Aug 21 02:38:10 I wish palm bounced back before HP bought them Aug 21 02:38:38 sampson: he does, but i think he is traveling right now Aug 21 02:38:48 if they did, there wouldn't be $99 touchpads now Aug 21 02:38:54 webos is the defintion of a smartphone os Aug 21 02:39:26 Well I don't care that the touchpad is $99 I still think its worth full price but I'm a WebOS fan so my opinion doesn't matter apparently :P Aug 21 02:39:47 oil: gotcha Aug 21 02:44:28 edude03: you've seen the recovery page on the wiki? Aug 21 02:44:37 so I assume that the TouchPad will still be supported as an open product and it would make sense to get one if they haven't sold out Aug 21 02:44:43 Not yet, but I'm reading everything I can Aug 21 02:44:43 since I"ve been off of irc for 3 days Aug 21 02:44:59 tmzt if you can sure why not Aug 21 02:45:03 tmzt: nothing has changed in the homebrew world. just a new set of users. Aug 21 02:45:14 rwhitby: nice Aug 21 02:46:46 New set of users? Aug 21 02:46:48 any efforts to negotiate an open software release of the closed components down the line? or replace them with something else Aug 21 02:46:55 rwhitby actually I did read the recovery page before for my Pre+ Aug 21 02:47:13 Doesn't say anything about the TP but I assume it's the same process Aug 21 02:47:35 rwhitby: Would I be able to ask you a couple of questions regarding webOS doctor and some other things? Aug 21 02:47:42 either PM or in here, whichever Aug 21 02:48:19 so much of webos is closed that something like that is a pipedream Aug 21 02:48:22 trsohmers: sure, but I don't have a lot of time - it's saturday here and family comes first. Aug 21 02:48:34 re: tmzt Aug 21 02:48:36 totally understand Aug 21 02:48:54 But we _are_ your family rwhitby <3 Aug 21 02:49:04 trsohmers: I do recommend you watch the video I just tweeted, to get the background. Aug 21 02:49:21 trsohmers: then look at the meta-doctor source code on git.webos-internals.org Aug 21 02:49:39 and read the recovery page on the www.webos-internals.org Aug 21 02:49:42 Hour long! wow Aug 21 02:49:49 so is there a difference between meta doctor and webOS doctor? Aug 21 02:49:50 Or are t Aug 21 02:50:02 Or are the two names used interchangeably? Aug 21 02:50:06 Meta doctor patches webos doctor Aug 21 02:50:25 And my sound card is borked, so i can't hear the video :| Aug 21 02:50:28 if you're an android sperg Aug 21 02:50:30 trsohmers: the meta-doctor is a way for end-users to legally modify their own copy of the webOS Doctor that they have legally downloaded directly from HP. They do not, however, have the right to redistribute that modified file. Aug 21 02:50:30 metadoctor is mainly just one huge script that patches the doctor on the host computer Aug 21 02:50:33 think of it like webos doctor is a nandroid backup Aug 21 02:50:40 meta doctor is an explorer to modify the backup Aug 21 02:50:57 there is a android-internals.org?! Aug 21 02:51:13 no but you realize that this channel is going to be full of android tards now right Aug 21 02:51:18 So it would be OK for me to distribute modified meta-doctor files, but not webOS Doctor files Aug 21 02:51:23 si Aug 21 02:51:26 Not okay Aug 21 02:51:36 trsohmers: depends what you mean by modified meta-doctor files Aug 21 02:51:37 the metadoctor script yes Aug 21 02:51:38 sampson: We're not all retarded... Aug 21 02:51:52 Script yes, actual modified file no Aug 21 02:52:28 I volunteer to punch anyone who askes how to get Android on their TP though sampson :P Aug 21 02:52:30 trsohmers: if you are referring to a modified version of http://git.webos-internals.org/tools/meta-doctor/tree/Makefile, yes. Note that it is GPL, so you must comply with the license conditions of the GPL if you do so. Aug 21 02:52:30 so I would not be able to distribute the folder created within "build"? Aug 21 02:52:53 trsohmers: you cannot redistribute any derivative of a proprietary webOS file Aug 21 02:53:03 I understand the GPL, and I always try to respect licenses Aug 21 02:53:39 trsohmers: you realise that you have no right to distribute anyone's work of any kind unless you have an explicit license from them which allows you do to so. Aug 21 02:53:40 and webOS files are located within the rootfs folder and resources folder Aug 21 02:53:57 rwhitby: Yes I do Aug 21 02:54:15 Why is this so hard to grasp o.O Aug 21 02:54:28 Because the Android community and android tools are much different Aug 21 02:54:40 This is why I love the webOS community. :) Aug 21 02:54:42 trsohmers: indeed. that is the crux of the problem. Aug 21 02:55:02 You can blame xda-developers for a lot of that… that's why I try not to go there anymore Aug 21 02:55:11 a lot of android stuff is full of license breaking distribution Aug 21 02:55:19 well, most all Aug 21 02:55:26 Sites like RootzWiki enforce the GPL and other licenses Aug 21 02:55:41 FYI all bestbuy and radio shack are now selling at discounted rate. but... eh. all sold out in utah. i went to two BB and missed it by 5min each said. i saw one girl walking out with one at 6pm Aug 21 02:55:55 trsohmers: yet you posted a link there to a file owned by HP. Hopefully you can now help to educate others on that site. Aug 21 02:56:04 That's what I hope to do Aug 21 02:56:19 HP's license and the GPL have exactly the same legal and ethical weight. Aug 21 02:56:22 jack87, I heard Aug 21 02:56:27 BB isnt open near me atm lol Aug 21 02:56:36 I see that you guys do not care for the android community too much… I'm just trying to show that the Android community isn't all bad Aug 21 02:56:54 trsohmers: there are great people in the android community. those that respect copyright. Aug 21 02:56:57 And that is why I removed the files Aug 21 02:57:25 not all android is bad - cyanogenmod for example Aug 21 02:57:29 trsohmers: unfortunately, you had a misstep at your start, which unknowingly put you in the group of people who do not respect those laws. Aug 21 02:58:01 trsohmers: you will be fighting against that stereotype for some time, and others in the android community will not have the sense that you have to do things properly. Aug 21 02:58:04 trsohmers: I think they mean that some people on xda play fast and loose with software licenses, which actually comes from the windows mobile background, not android Aug 21 02:58:09 and I hope that we have reached an understanding Aug 21 02:58:50 Also, I wanted to know about the distribution of Preware Aug 21 02:59:14 think cydia but less sucking and more owning and you have preware Aug 21 02:59:14 What part? Aug 21 02:59:25 anyway, I hope to get into some experiments with compiz on embedded hardware, touchpad could work well for that if we can get an open graphics stack working and possible use compiz as a replacement for luna with a webkit plugin Aug 21 02:59:28 Sampson, I understand twhat preware is Aug 21 02:59:31 trsohmers: you must also understand that we have reached out to people before who wanted to port android to webOS devices, and vice-versa, and not a single one of those projects has complied with copyright so far. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Aug 21 02:59:57 2011