**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Aug 24 02:59:57 2011 Aug 24 02:59:58 couldn't hurt Aug 24 03:00:01 and I bet it'll work Aug 24 03:00:04 dittp Aug 24 03:00:06 ditto Aug 24 03:00:52 wget http://www.libsdl.org/release/SDL-1.2.14.tar.gz Aug 24 03:03:09 compiling it... Aug 24 03:03:33 i'm jealous of your 'net Aug 24 03:05:30 1.3 mbps Aug 24 03:05:41 we don't need that though... I was wrong Aug 24 03:05:49 we need the developement libraries Aug 24 03:06:46 weird Aug 24 03:07:18 woopsies Aug 24 03:07:21 I did the normal ./configure && make && sudo make install, and it still doesn't see sdl Aug 24 03:07:42 my cross compiler in windows had sdl, just bad implementation of cmake Aug 24 03:07:50 well, it installed to /usr/local/lib Aug 24 03:07:51 * Ironsight thinks Aug 24 03:08:02 yeah, but I can't ldconfig Aug 24 03:08:05 can you? Aug 24 03:08:33 [SB2 mapping-armv7 armv7] josh@Phobos-III SDL-1.2.14 $ ldconfig libsdl Aug 24 03:08:35 /srv/preware/cross-compile/toolchain/arm-2007q3/arm-none-linux-gnueabi/libc/sbin/ldconfig: relative path `libsdl' used to build cache Aug 24 03:09:12 in the sandbox? Aug 24 03:09:18 yep Aug 24 03:09:56 hrm, same here Aug 24 03:09:57 If you ever happen to want to link against installed libraries Aug 24 03:09:59 in a given directory, LIBDIR, you must either use libtool, and Aug 24 03:10:01 specify the full pathname of the library, or use the `-LLIBDIR' Aug 24 03:10:03 flag during linking and do at least one of the following: Aug 24 03:10:05 Which is /usr/local/lib Aug 24 03:10:18 yep Aug 24 03:10:38 export LD_LIBRARY_PATH="/usr/local/lib" Aug 24 03:10:41 that did the trick Aug 24 03:10:50 =] Aug 24 03:11:01 can you stick that in the wiki? Aug 24 03:11:19 Ironsight: you can do that Aug 24 03:11:32 Wiki this, wiki that! So much to document! Aug 24 03:11:35 Yea I can. =] Aug 24 03:12:05 Every here or there I find a little way to help support WebOS Internals, so i'm glad to. =] Aug 24 03:12:48 Cerealklr, did it build for you? Aug 24 03:13:05 ....uhm... for some values of build Aug 24 03:13:12 very near "Error 1" Aug 24 03:13:37 I couldn't get it to build natively (non cross) Aug 24 03:13:40 boy is that a lot of fun errors. Aug 24 03:13:42 or cross Aug 24 03:13:46 yeah heh Aug 24 03:14:10 let me try with a not so broken source tree... say darkplaces engine for SDL Aug 24 03:14:33 mmkay Aug 24 03:17:24 yikes. Why didn't they confirm my email in the first place if they wanted to? Aug 24 03:17:31 -.- I'm not going to have time to write the page tonight Aug 24 03:18:05 btw, when I configure stuff... this spams like mad ERROR: ld.so: object 'libsb2.so.1' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored. Aug 24 03:18:31 did you get that? Aug 24 03:19:24 I was ust trying to figure out Aug 24 03:19:27 what was up with that Aug 24 03:19:38 I typically work in python Aug 24 03:19:52 so i'm not particularly familiar with cryptic compiler spam and obscure shell variables =/ Aug 24 03:21:40 python on webos?!?! Aug 24 03:21:41 :D Aug 24 03:22:02 dude, I will drop this in a heartbeat if I can code in python :) Aug 24 03:23:35 Well, I know people have done it already Aug 24 03:23:55 I haven't done it myself yet (been busy with my job, school, and working on my SDK App for the TouchPad) Aug 24 03:23:58 pygtk would be pretty awesome Aug 24 03:24:03 but I was planning on getting started in the nearish future Aug 24 03:24:22 by porting one of my older porjects to it Aug 24 03:24:28 Cerealklr, so you have a working sdk build enviroment? Aug 24 03:24:36 sdl* Aug 24 03:24:50 evidently it's not working Aug 24 03:24:52 =P Aug 24 03:25:05 and it appears to have to do with scratchbox's lib misbehaving... Aug 24 03:26:23 well, maybe if hp does as they said (will still update the os) they can start by fixing the pdk for linux Aug 24 03:26:37 errr Aug 24 03:26:41 things are getting Aug 24 03:26:44 really weird now Aug 24 03:26:48 updating it to the latest ubuntu would be a good start Aug 24 03:27:58 [SB2 mapping-armv7 armv7] josh@Phobos-III sdldoom-1.10 $ ldconfig Aug 24 03:28:00 ERROR: ld.so: object 'libsb2.so.1' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored. Aug 24 03:28:02 /bin/bash: /sb2/wrappers/ldconfig: No such file or directory Aug 24 03:28:04 what in the bleep is up with that? Aug 24 03:28:14 yeah I know Aug 24 03:28:15 :( Aug 24 03:28:22 I think we broke it Aug 24 03:28:23 okay Aug 24 03:28:26 exited scratchbox Aug 24 03:28:29 and popped it open again Aug 24 03:28:35 and it is slightly less broken? Aug 24 03:28:46 okay Aug 24 03:28:50 moment of truth Aug 24 03:28:52 take it off the wiki! lol Aug 24 03:29:01 never got there Aug 24 03:29:03 =D Aug 24 03:29:04 oh good Aug 24 03:29:05 :) Aug 24 03:29:40 man, I think one of us should build a *working* enviroment, then copy off the image onto dropbox or something Aug 24 03:29:54 as a virtualbox machine :) Aug 24 03:29:58 OH Aug 24 03:30:01 I know what I broke Aug 24 03:30:06 I feel dumb now Aug 24 03:30:09 hang on Aug 24 03:30:11 =D Aug 24 03:30:11 k Aug 24 03:30:50 export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$LD_LIBRARY_PATH:/usr/local/lib Aug 24 03:30:54 *should* fix everything Aug 24 03:30:58 but Aug 24 03:31:00 you need to exit SB Aug 24 03:31:02 and restart it first Aug 24 03:31:12 to clear the path bork I originally told you to do Aug 24 03:31:15 =P Aug 24 03:33:14 Ironsight: that's been tried before. the person didn't maintain it and it bitrot. Aug 24 03:33:34 * Ironsight nods Aug 24 03:33:47 hmm Aug 24 03:33:55 dead paths in the LD_LIBRARY_PATH var... Aug 24 03:34:40 rwhitby, :( Aug 24 03:36:27 meh Aug 24 03:36:32 I feel like I have some need leads Aug 24 03:36:35 but I have school tomorrow Aug 24 03:36:47 it's cool, thanks for trying :) Aug 24 03:36:54 ironsight: feel free to ping me whenever. I'll keep looking into this. Let me know i fyou find anything out yourself. Aug 24 03:37:08 will do Aug 24 03:37:12 I'm determined to get this going again, because I want to be coding in Python on my TP. =] Aug 24 03:37:27 same Aug 24 03:37:39 'nite all, see you tomorrow! Aug 24 03:37:54 take it easy Aug 24 03:48:15 ironsight: SO CLOSE Aug 24 03:48:24 I had a streak of what i'm going to call insight Aug 24 03:48:39 ? Aug 24 03:48:41 I checked out /usr/bin/sdl-config Aug 24 03:48:47 and sure enough, it was jsut a shell script Aug 24 03:49:03 and it had the wrong prefix ( /usr/) which I amended to ( /usr/bin/ ) Aug 24 03:49:07 err Aug 24 03:49:09 fail Aug 24 03:49:11 /usr/local * Aug 24 03:49:19 saved it, restarted SB Aug 24 03:49:45 and then ran configure ./configure --with-sdl-prefix=/usr/local/lib Aug 24 03:49:57 which MOSTLY worked, expect it couldn't find --- oh, oh Aug 24 03:49:59 lemme start my vm back up Aug 24 03:50:38 there we go! Aug 24 03:50:45 ./configure --with-sdl-prefix=/usr/local/ Aug 24 03:51:01 ran it twice, the first time it generated a new sdl-config in /usr/local/bin Aug 24 03:51:15 none of those crazy errors anymore Aug 24 03:51:39 but a new error right near the end of the make process Aug 24 03:51:49 am_map.o: file not recognized: File format not recognized Aug 24 03:51:55 anyway, we're getting somwhere Aug 24 03:52:03 I desperately need to shower now -.- Aug 24 03:52:12 kk :) Aug 24 03:52:13 if you need me and i'm away, my email is cerealklr@gmail.com Aug 24 03:52:14 fixed my /etc/passwd issue by using the sdk and novaterm Aug 24 03:52:51 what is the repo I need to use to install stuff like screen, sudo, and other basic linux utilities? Aug 24 04:14:06 Dangit, I broke my chroot some how :\ Aug 24 04:27:17 Heya Aug 24 04:27:25 wow, IRC - been a while Aug 24 04:29:12 heh Aug 24 04:30:51 Hey, I tried installing python25 using ipkg-opt and received the following Aug 24 04:30:52 Downloading http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/optware/cs08q1armel/cross/unstable/python25_2.5.6-1_arm.ipk data_xfer: Error reading from signal pipe: 35 Aug 24 04:31:16 now any package I try to install using ipkg-opt, I get ipkg: write: No space left on device Aug 24 04:31:30 but I have 13GB remaining Aug 24 04:31:44 did you run out of space in /opt (which is not the same space as your USB drive) ? Aug 24 04:31:50 ah Aug 24 04:32:11 you'll either have a loopfs mount of an .img file, or a separate ext3fs partition. Aug 24 04:32:22 if you're going to be doing big things, I'd suggest you do the latter Aug 24 04:32:31 look at the UbuntuChroot page for details Aug 24 04:32:43 * rwhitby bbl Aug 24 04:33:19 yeah, tis full Aug 24 04:33:32 k Aug 24 04:33:34 thanks Aug 24 04:34:48 Apple sure is running lots more commercials now.... ph34r t0uchpadz! Aug 24 04:35:09 I just looooove my new ipad, it's suuuuuper! Aug 24 04:35:29 oh sorry, don't know what got into me Aug 24 04:35:29 haha Aug 24 04:35:52 what's an iTouch? Aug 24 04:36:25 new ipad commercial idea: I'm a gardener, and when I heard that the ipad had a beautiful walled garden, I picked one up. Aug 24 04:37:12 Though I can't seem find the garden simulator :( Aug 24 04:38:48 http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/152804/cartmanland-commercial Aug 24 04:40:39 So much to do with a HP Touchpad, but you can't get one :D Aug 24 04:41:44 dtzWill, why does my TP no longer have the chroot in the feeds? Aug 24 04:42:26 scoutcamper|away: why you picking on me?! ;) Aug 24 04:42:43 * dtzWill isn't oil Aug 24 04:42:56 cuz i know you are woirking on fancy things that could have borked it Aug 24 04:43:17 hehe true true Aug 24 04:43:18 afaik on Aug 24 04:43:24 looks still valid to me o_O Aug 24 04:43:31 0.o Aug 24 04:43:42 i see it on ipkg Aug 24 04:44:20 i wonder whats up, this is just after i uninstall the chroot, reboot, rm -rf /media/ext3fs/ubunt-natty-chroot Aug 24 04:44:20 well hi Aug 24 04:44:32 reboot, then preware feeds dont show it Aug 24 04:45:45 dtzWill: >:P Aug 24 04:46:37 oil_pre: ;) Aug 24 04:47:12 wtf Aug 24 04:47:28 dtzWill, somehow in that process my armv7 testing feed was removed Aug 24 04:47:47 ! wowza Aug 24 04:48:22 evening Aug 24 04:48:27 * scoutcamper|away now needs to replicate this "bug" or whatever the hell it is Aug 24 04:52:09 Sup all? Any more dev on ubuntu on tp? Aug 24 04:59:07 mount -a Aug 24 04:59:29 mounting /dev/loop1 on /media/ext3fs failed: No such device Aug 24 04:59:52 should be loop0 ? Aug 24 05:00:01 loop0 is /opt Aug 24 05:00:23 <3 using plain ole' dd-made img's :D Aug 24 05:01:32 That's what I'm trying to do Aug 24 05:03:13 idk what I broke Aug 24 05:03:29 anyone have their virtual keyboard in the chroot just go black? Aug 24 05:04:58 hey guys trying to use gonna need some help Aug 24 05:05:27 how to set for optimal performance on HP touchpad Aug 24 05:06:16 anyone Aug 24 05:06:41 is it normal for the metadoctor (doctor) to not terminate and end with INFO: Flash End time (Success)1314161810657 Aug 24 05:06:59 dwc-: no Aug 24 05:07:20 well, my touchpad rebooted... and I can sign in... Aug 24 05:07:29 the java -jar is still sitting there... what's after that? Aug 24 05:08:31 oh, that is the last line Aug 24 05:08:39 click the gui to finish Aug 24 05:08:53 oh.... whoops Aug 24 05:08:58 Lol Aug 24 05:09:00 forgot about that window Aug 24 05:09:06 * dwc- minimized it awhile ago Aug 24 05:09:22 I did the same my first shot. Haha Aug 24 05:10:42 guess I'm in the wrong place for help with govnah Aug 24 05:11:17 I don't think anyone here knows what "optimal performance" means exactly for your given situation Aug 24 05:12:19 sorry new with the touchpad. What I mean is its not overclocking with the profile set in govnah Aug 24 05:12:46 Any word on making the annoying black placeholder under the xserver? Aug 24 05:12:51 its actually running slower from what I can tell from the graph Aug 24 05:13:20 Uh sorry. Making it go away rather Aug 24 05:13:40 slower at idle or slower at max speed? Aug 24 05:14:14 at max speed Aug 24 05:14:30 well, I dunno, I don't have govnah installed Aug 24 05:14:58 right now I'm wondering why restoring the backup frm last night has no apps Aug 24 05:15:13 oh wait, they'r trickling in slowly, nevermind Aug 24 05:15:47 Install uberkernel? Aug 24 05:16:35 yep Aug 24 05:18:07 def lost here. Wondering if I should just Should I try to restore and try the kernels and patches again Aug 24 05:21:46 How about true dual boot? That around yet? Aug 24 05:34:25 AHCompy: lol already updated in preware Aug 24 05:34:41 AHCompy: and 'annoying' isn't super nice for a program in the testing feed :( Aug 24 05:34:44 but anyway enjoy :D Aug 24 05:35:29 Lol sorry. For me it was annoying as I use the by keyboard. Lmao Aug 24 05:36:10 And tyvm btw. The folks that code this stuff are awesome. :-) Aug 24 05:37:20 Oh hey, it turns out I suck at writing fstab files :) Aug 24 05:38:39 Haha Aug 24 05:39:02 spent an hour debugging Aug 24 05:40:06 you added the ext3 partition? Aug 24 05:40:25 I added it but specified the wrong options Aug 24 05:40:37 ah, which page did you use for the params? Aug 24 05:40:46 oh look. my credit card company thinks I shouldn't be ordering pre3s from the UK Aug 24 05:42:03 tell them to suck your quim Aug 24 05:42:15 Cyclic: I didn't use any page, that was the problem :) Aug 24 05:42:26 and that the numpty punks best auth your telly Aug 24 05:42:29 ah, can you post me your lines so I can use something? Aug 24 05:42:36 :) Aug 24 05:42:39 So, how do I make that placeholder go away again? Lol Aug 24 05:43:27 /media/cryptofs/ubuntu.img /media/ext3fs ext3 loop 0 0 Aug 24 05:44:00 sampson: if only there was anyone to talk to Aug 24 05:44:09 nice thanks Aug 24 05:44:10 history says when they fraud alert, they then just read me the list of transactions and ask me to hit 1 Aug 24 05:44:38 dwc-: what's funny is a client of mine in the uk bought me a 27" imac in the us no problems Aug 24 05:44:57 didn't even get flagged Aug 24 05:45:00 any way to browse preware repo on the net Aug 24 05:45:00 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/UbuntuChroot Aug 24 05:45:26 http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/ Aug 24 05:45:35 thx Aug 24 05:45:39 Says that opt ware bootstrap package will also use /media/ext3fs if it exists. What if I already installed optware bootstrap? Aug 24 05:46:05 Cyclic: uninstall it, and remove the img file Aug 24 05:46:26 oh I don't have the image file yet Aug 24 05:47:14 the optware one Aug 24 05:47:22 ah Aug 24 05:47:29 can I just nuke it with prewar? Aug 24 05:47:33 e Aug 24 05:47:45 uninstall rather? Aug 24 05:47:55 let me check Aug 24 05:48:04 It shows up there Aug 24 05:48:28 you do need to remove the package Aug 24 05:48:33 Just wondering if that's sufficient for it to redirect if I create the ext3 media Aug 24 05:48:47 you also need to remove /media/cryptofs/optware.ext3 manually Aug 24 05:48:47 the ilk? Aug 24 05:48:49 err Aug 24 05:48:50 ipk? Aug 24 05:48:57 k Aug 24 05:49:17 is that in fstab too? Aug 24 05:51:47 what's up guys Aug 24 05:52:26 i am, unfortunately Aug 24 05:53:36 unfortunately? Aug 24 05:53:49 I should sleep Aug 24 05:54:18 what time is it Aug 24 05:54:22 23 Aug 24 05:55:47 the night is young. Aug 24 05:55:48 1 here... Aug 24 05:56:36 i had a long day, lol Aug 24 05:57:16 rrix, if you're bored, you can help me compile some stuff :P Aug 24 05:57:21 lol Aug 24 05:57:26 I'm not bored, just tired Aug 24 05:59:03 hmm, I guess suddenly buying $1000+ worth of palm hardware is suspicious and not my typical buying pattern Aug 24 06:00:23 sheet Aug 24 06:00:26 404 Aug 24 06:00:30 wget http://palm.cdnetworks.net/rom/pre/p1351r0d01082010/sr1ntp1351rod/webosdoctorp100ewwsprint.jar Aug 24 06:02:10 I successfully installed lxde in the chroot Aug 24 06:02:38 Cyclic: old doctors don't exist Aug 24 06:02:52 morning rwhitby Aug 24 06:03:33 thanks to all the webos-internals folks for making webOS awesome! Aug 24 06:05:20 webos-internals wiki is editable? Aug 24 06:05:42 yes Aug 24 06:06:37 found the new file :) Aug 24 06:06:38 http://palm.cdnetworks.net/rom/touchpad/p302r0d08012011/wifip302rod/webosdoctorp302hstnhwifi.jar Aug 24 06:07:15 okay guys, so I accidentally told it to skip first run app in metadoctor. any way to add my webos account after the fact? Aug 24 06:07:44 acydlord: hmm.. run the gesture tutorial app? Aug 24 06:08:06 not sure other then redoctor. someone else might know though Aug 24 06:08:15 acfrazier: * Aug 24 06:08:44 morning guys Aug 24 06:09:15 hey ice8lue Aug 24 06:09:27 How would I start a unity session in xserver like lxsession starts lxde? Aug 24 06:09:59 does unity work on the tp? Aug 24 06:10:10 I use lxde, and I'm happy with it Aug 24 06:10:16 hey PatrickC... also a TP User now? ;) Aug 24 06:10:17 I never liked unity Aug 24 06:10:29 ice8lue: yep :-) Aug 24 06:10:33 ah nice.. someone in #touchdroid told me to use impostah, and that worked. Aug 24 06:10:50 cool Aug 24 06:11:19 ok, installing gimp, already have libreoffice and xchat, anything else? Aug 24 06:11:38 acfrazier glad it worked Aug 24 06:11:44 me too :) do you Know id Therese a was go Uwe icq in it? Aug 24 06:12:09 thanks sirkuttin Aug 24 06:12:09 stupid autocorrect Aug 24 06:12:20 PatrickC_TP: you have any windows machines that you use? Aug 24 06:12:26 hm, wonder if their app catalog is having an issue Aug 24 06:12:33 Cyclic: windows is my main Aug 24 06:12:43 I get "The action could not be completed. Try again later." Aug 24 06:12:43 do you have remote desktop enabled? Aug 24 06:12:50 No clue... Thought I'd try it... I've heard it does... Aug 24 06:12:55 Cyclic: no. sorry Aug 24 06:13:02 do you know if there is a way to use icq on it? Aug 24 06:13:08 was wondering if you could try out xfreerdp Aug 24 06:13:11 acfrazier: repeatedly, or occasionally? Aug 24 06:13:20 Adora! Aug 24 06:13:25 oshit Aug 24 06:13:25 How would I even start it as the window manager? Aug 24 06:13:26 * Adora hides Aug 24 06:13:28 every time. I hit retry, same thing Aug 24 06:13:31 http://www.freerdp.com/wiki/doku.php?id=compilation Aug 24 06:13:40 acfrazier: one app, or all apps? Aug 24 06:13:49 AHCompy_: you have lxde installed? Aug 24 06:13:56 it's when I launch the app catalog Aug 24 06:14:00 good morning Lisa ;) Aug 24 06:14:01 seems to have fixed itself now Aug 24 06:14:06 PatrickC_TP: can you test that? Aug 24 06:14:08 PatrickC_TP: I do Aug 24 06:14:08 the app cat seems buggy imo :\ Aug 24 06:14:20 what's worse is that if you launch the app cat with a search (just type) Aug 24 06:14:30 Cyclic: not at the machine right now, sorry Aug 24 06:14:31 you don't get any fo the nav stuff on the bottom with which to retry Aug 24 06:14:32 Adora i read the article you posted. i am half brogrammer Aug 24 06:14:38 acfrazier: that experience is, unfortunately...kinda common Aug 24 06:14:47 sirkuttin: half? which half? =] Aug 24 06:14:48 oh i meant on the TP Aug 24 06:14:54 yeah Aug 24 06:14:56 that link I sent is the compilation instructions Aug 24 06:15:03 lemme read that wiki :-) Aug 24 06:15:05 oh you're not on the TP? Aug 24 06:15:10 it's just the first part Aug 24 06:15:11 I am Aug 24 06:15:13 pretty simple Aug 24 06:15:24 the other half? Aug 24 06:16:00 sirkuttin: so you're just a bro? or a grammer? Aug 24 06:16:04 PatrickC_TP: you get that? Aug 24 06:16:06 Adora: do you know of any usable icq client for the touchpad? Aug 24 06:16:33 AHCompy_: get what? Aug 24 06:16:34 maybe he's a rogram Aug 24 06:16:43 ice8lue: sign in to AIM with your ICQ# and pw Aug 24 06:16:51 ice8lue: IM+ Aug 24 06:16:55 ice8lue: there's tons if you chroot :-) Aug 24 06:17:10 Is this the cult of the TouchPad? Aug 24 06:17:25 dwc- you are right Aug 24 06:17:27 I wouldn't call it a cult... Aug 24 06:17:55 Cyclic: I don't have time to install all those dependencies tonight. sorry. you have gtalk? Aug 24 06:18:00 of course you wouldn't Adora Aug 24 06:18:06 I can try tomorrow Aug 24 06:18:07 Adora: yes you would (waves hand mystically) Aug 24 06:18:07 PatrickC_TP: I do Aug 24 06:18:16 * Adora blinks Aug 24 06:18:19 I would call it a cult Aug 24 06:18:29 Cyclic: ok, I'll pm you my gtalk Aug 24 06:18:40 Adora: you also think it has a great leader Aug 24 06:18:42 nice Aug 24 06:18:49 PatrickC_TP: I have lxde installed. You were wondering. Aug 24 06:18:49 dwc: noe does not connect for me :/ Aug 24 06:18:55 AHCompy_: ah Aug 24 06:18:56 WebOS Internals also has a great leader Aug 24 06:19:03 I just installed it tonight Aug 24 06:19:07 Adora: you will now do a chicken dance Aug 24 06:19:22 and film for youtube Aug 24 06:19:30 \o/ Aug 24 06:19:33 \o\ Aug 24 06:19:47 ice8lue: shoudl work.... ICQ has been using AOL's OSCAR protocol for awhile Aug 24 06:19:52 let me give it a try on mine Aug 24 06:19:54 * rwhitby snaps fingers Aug 24 06:19:58 Still wish I knew how to get rid of the black bar at the bottom of xserv. Lmao Aug 24 06:20:02 ! Aug 24 06:20:23 * AHCompy_ looks around eagerly for an answer... Aug 24 06:20:24 WHERE AM I OMG WHY AM I SURROUNDED BY HACKERS Aug 24 06:20:33 AHCompy_: are you running the latest version, and have you used Tweaks ? Aug 24 06:20:38 Lol Aug 24 06:20:39 xD Aug 24 06:20:42 * Adora files C&D Aug 24 06:20:53 thx dwc Aug 24 06:20:55 Latest version, yes...tweaks? Aug 24 06:21:36 * dwc- ... doesn't remember his icq password Aug 24 06:21:58 tweaks: an amazing app by sconix Aug 24 06:22:17 Just checked tweaks... D'oh Aug 24 06:22:36 Gotta wait for my dl to finish Nao Aug 24 06:23:37 ice8lue: ok. doesn't connect for me. tested password on a desktop client Aug 24 06:23:42 I get Connection failed Aug 24 06:23:55 2011-08-24T06:19:41.814819Z [17679] palm-webos user.err imaccountvalidator: {imaccountvalidator}: accountLoginFailed is called with error: 0. Text: Lost connection with server: Connection reset by peer Aug 24 06:23:59 2011-08-24T06:19:41.815551Z [17679] palm-webos user.err imaccountvalidator: {imaccountvalidator}: returnValidateFailed error: -3141610 - Lost connection with server: Connection reset by peer Aug 24 06:24:09 perhaps icq doesn't work then :/ Aug 24 06:24:25 What's the easiest way to get a multitouch thing going in ubuntu... Is there a pig I could install? Or something I could change to stop the 'auto click' I call it? Aug 24 06:24:35 if i do icq#@icq.com it says wrong user/pw Aug 24 06:24:59 I just used icq# Aug 24 06:25:10 Brb Aug 24 06:25:24 that doesnt connect for me neither Aug 24 06:25:29 AHCompy_, a pig? Aug 24 06:26:09 nite all Aug 24 06:26:26 are you guys using IM+ or a different client? Aug 24 06:26:31 is the coast clear? Aug 24 06:26:33 hey folks Aug 24 06:26:49 I normally use the slow 'ol default IM client Aug 24 06:27:01 but I usually don't IM from my phone Aug 24 06:27:01 ack, my keyboard is gone Aug 24 06:27:59 ya i was using the built in messaging app with the messaging plugins on my phone but they dont work on the TP yet Aug 24 06:29:33 built in messaging doesn't support ICQ, though... Aug 24 06:30:21 A pig?? Aug 24 06:30:51 AHCompy_: you said: "... Is there a pig I could install? ..." Aug 24 06:31:39 Damn you autocorrect... I meant pkg Aug 24 06:31:56 Lmfao Aug 24 06:32:15 Adora: so we found out ... Aug 24 06:32:21 hm, my keyboard on my xserver is gone Aug 24 06:32:22 fuuu Aug 24 06:32:32 acfrazier: check tweaks Aug 24 06:32:50 Yupyup lol Aug 24 06:33:15 make DEVICE=touchpad CARRIER=wifi all make unpack patch pack mkdir -p downloads Please download the correct version of the webOS Doctor .jar file and then move it to downloads/webosdoctorp302hstnhwifi-3.0.2.jar (i.e. the downloads directory that was just created under the current directory). make[1]: *** [downloads/webosdoctorp302hstnhwifi-3.0.2.jar] Error 1 make: *** [all] Error 2 Aug 24 06:33:26 tweaks? Aug 24 06:33:32 I did move it to that directory Aug 24 06:33:52 did you name it as "suggested" by the directions? Aug 24 06:33:53 did you append -3.0.2? Aug 24 06:33:56 (I didn't) Aug 24 06:34:08 to the device? Aug 24 06:34:19 to the end of the file name Aug 24 06:34:28 after you moved it it should be wifi-3.0.2.jar Aug 24 06:34:37 ls webosdoctorp302hstnhwifi.jar Aug 24 06:34:49 ah Aug 24 06:34:51 Made that mistake and got so pissed because of it. Lol Aug 24 06:34:57 Adora: well it did over using AiM on all webOS 1.x and 2.x Aug 24 06:35:10 need to make sure that's clear in the wiki :) Aug 24 06:35:23 it's there, but it doesn't say you have to Aug 24 06:35:30 so I opted to skip it and ended up regretting it. Aug 24 06:38:19 Here we go... Typing unity to start unity on my tp... Aug 24 06:38:47 ice8lue: only webos1, I think, actually Aug 24 06:38:49 so, what tweaks do I need to check? Aug 24 06:38:50 '''Note ''':if you receive an error message, 'Please download the correct version of the webOS Doctor .jar file and then move it to downloads', you need to append the version number to the end of the file (e.g. sudo mv webosdoctorp302hstnhwifi.jar webosdoctorp302hstnhwifi-3.0.2.jar) Aug 24 06:39:13 nope used that on my pre2 too Aug 24 06:39:21 well, I can't sign in on my pre2 Aug 24 06:39:31 that's where those errors were from Aug 24 06:39:41 strange... Aug 24 06:39:49 this wiki captcha is killin me :P Aug 24 06:40:01 hm.. turns out the keyboard is gone everywhere Aug 24 06:40:03 the hell Aug 24 06:40:51 No go on unity... Need to debug... But it tries. Aug 24 06:40:53 i am curious as to the exact chipset in this HP touchpad - i have xterm installed and all, but of course, there is no lspci to probe - is there a package in preware that might have this? Aug 24 06:41:15 scorche: iSupply did a full parts list Aug 24 06:41:18 i could, of course, gow ith ubuntu to figure this out, but i got it today and havent gotten there yet Aug 24 06:41:24 scorche, no lshw either? Aug 24 06:41:34 scorche: http://www.isuppli.com/Teardowns/News/Pages/HP-TouchPad-Carries-$318-Bill-of-Materials.aspx Aug 24 06:41:48 rwhitby: thanks Aug 24 06:41:57 scorche: Optware (ipkg-opt) has lots of low level utilities not in the base rootfs Aug 24 06:43:26 rwhitby: yup - i didnt see anything like lspci or similar though Aug 24 06:43:47 pciutils - 3.0.0-1 - Linux PCI Utilities, various utilities for inspecting and setting of devices connected to the PCI bus. Aug 24 06:43:52 ^ that one Aug 24 06:43:54 yeah, that'll be it Aug 24 06:44:04 hm, so I installed LXDE, but startx doesn't do anything Aug 24 06:44:10 but.... it might use /proc/pci (deprecated) or /proc/bus/pci which might not exist Aug 24 06:44:14 Lxsession Aug 24 06:44:27 lxsession to start lxde Aug 24 06:44:40 dwc-: hrm - i dont see that in preware... Aug 24 06:44:42 thanks. Aug 24 06:44:50 so this custom doctor file is my current state? Aug 24 06:45:03 figures. the bar is below the keyboard Aug 24 06:45:03 fuuu Aug 24 06:45:05 scorche: it's in optware (ipkg-opt) Aug 24 06:46:09 Hold the keyboard icon in the bottom left and set it to xs Aug 24 06:46:54 that's handy Aug 24 06:46:55 thanks Aug 24 06:47:16 :-) that bugged me for days Aug 24 06:47:43 did you guys use meta-doctor to create your partition? Aug 24 06:47:59 dwc-: sorry for the ignorance, but i just got this today and have been learning as i go - is there another feed i should be adding to see this? I already have the optware feed installed by detault on and have enabled the testing feeds, but... Aug 24 06:48:20 scorche: Optware page on wiki Aug 24 06:48:48 you need a command line Aug 24 06:49:35 ah - now i understand the ipkg-opt comments Aug 24 06:49:44 thanks, and pardon my learning ;) Aug 24 06:49:51 nothing wrong with learning Aug 24 06:49:56 oh god no wonder Aug 24 06:50:01 the version of chromium is old as hell Aug 24 06:50:32 when it tried to set up sync it shat itself Aug 24 06:50:37 anyone else with a touchpad here that can tell me what dr battery says about their new touchpad's battery health? Aug 24 06:51:06 is it in preware? Aug 24 06:51:08 I can. Aug 24 06:51:14 is there a way to hard-reset the TouchPad? Aug 24 06:51:15 yes it is Aug 24 06:51:30 rwhitby: "that other project" == lol Aug 24 06:51:32 MrBIOS_, hold home and power for about 5-10 seconds then release Aug 24 06:51:40 wondering if dr battery is wrong or if I just got a battery that started at 95% health (6281mAh calculated left) Aug 24 06:51:48 acfrazier: thanks, and how about a soft-reset? Aug 24 06:51:54 (reboot) Aug 24 06:52:15 as far as I know you can only shut it down, but my experience is limited Aug 24 06:52:23 to do that just hold power and it'll come up Aug 24 06:52:52 got it, thanks Aug 24 06:53:19 dwc-, mine reports 95% health also. Aug 24 06:53:36 thanks Aug 24 06:53:47 it's rated higher than it is actually inside, iirc Aug 24 06:53:50 rrix: https://twitter.com/webosinternals/status/106256846783913984 Aug 24 06:54:32 rwhitby: I knew which community you were talking about. Afaict "yes" Aug 24 06:56:00 rwhitby: well, there are certain communities within it that are alright, but xda is a cesspit Aug 24 06:56:15 How does one tweak the touch screen functionality of ubuntu on the tab? Aug 24 06:56:41 i dont know about touchdroid Aug 24 06:56:50 what's a good et3fs partition size on a 16GB TP? Aug 24 06:57:05 I'm going to be doing big things Aug 24 06:58:06 that is a healthy partition size Aug 24 06:58:31 i made mine 8gb but could have gotten away with 4 Aug 24 06:58:49 how about var? Aug 24 07:00:35 Nah not touchstone. Fuck that. Hahaha referring to true touchscreen gestures in ubuntu... 2-finger swipe to scroll, tap and hold to right click... That type thing Aug 24 07:00:58 Dammit autocorrect... Touchdroid** Aug 24 07:00:59 so currently one can't right click? Aug 24 07:01:20 don't know...I can't figure it out. Aug 24 07:01:22 was about to ask Aug 24 07:01:54 Lol Aug 24 07:02:11 * AHCompy_ installs synergy Aug 24 07:02:47 lol, launching another LXTerminal causes the whole thing to crash Aug 24 07:02:47 I'm going to bed. Lol update me with some new goodies if something happens after I leave. Lol Aug 24 07:03:14 I noticed that... Wonder if there's a fix. Haha Aug 24 07:03:29 * AHCompy_ installs xterm Aug 24 07:03:37 has anyone played with usbip on the touchpad? Aug 24 07:03:40 where is the config folder? Aug 24 07:03:43 Tried and true... Mebbe it'll work Aug 24 07:04:25 actually I just tabbed back and clicked "Start Xterm" and I was able to get a fresh terminal Aug 24 07:05:09 ah, but that's outside the chroot.. yet it's running in LXDE Aug 24 07:05:10 odd. Aug 24 07:05:46 Hi, is a admin for the webos-internals patches here? Aug 24 07:07:46 btpatch: they're about, yes, what's up Aug 24 07:09:04 whoops, forgot to mount ext3fs Aug 24 07:09:40 btpatch: whitespace-only changes in the patch? Aug 24 07:09:56 yeah exactly ;) Aug 24 07:10:38 just wonder if the patch itself looks right after i changed the whitespaces issue... Aug 24 07:11:09 -changed +will change Aug 24 07:12:41 and second can i send it to you directly or do i need to resubmit it? Aug 24 07:13:49 what's the stock bootloader on the TouchPad? Aug 24 07:13:58 bootie Aug 24 07:14:12 btpatch: please resubmit Aug 24 07:15:01 rwhitby: I don't suppose there's source code for the novacom daemon in WebOS anywhere, is there? Aug 24 07:15:11 jbruchon: there is not Aug 24 07:15:14 ;_; Aug 24 07:15:32 jbruchon: however, there is an open source partial port of the client Aug 24 07:15:58 I lol'd at this: http://www.isthetouchpadinstock.com/ Aug 24 07:16:07 Any way to make the term that you use to open lxde disappear? Aug 24 07:16:15 I'm trying to put together something from total scratch and the only way I can easily get a root shell is with novacomd Aug 24 07:16:20 bootie Aug 24 07:16:20 but it's misbehaving. Aug 24 07:16:40 ka6sox: by any chance, a call sign? Aug 24 07:16:45 jbruchon: http://git.webos-internals.org/tools/precom-progs/ Aug 24 07:16:59 jbruchon: and this time, attribution from the start would be appreciated ;) Aug 24 07:17:06 Qrz.com it :-) Aug 24 07:17:17 rwhitby: gladly! Aug 24 07:17:34 You know no one meant to fail to attribute, right? Aug 24 07:18:02 absolutely. I was, however, surprised that the repo was pulled instead of simply adding the attribution. Aug 24 07:18:11 jbruchon, yup Aug 24 07:18:19 Well, there's a reason for that... Aug 24 07:18:35 We pulled the repo not just because of that, but also because the dead wood needed to go Aug 24 07:19:07 Once the code and the twitter completely vanished, the non-dev "devs" bailed out. Aug 24 07:19:15 jbruchon: hopefully you guys can find someone to lead the project who can put in place the normal open source conventions from the start. Aug 24 07:19:28 rwhitby: that'd be me, sir, from what I gather. Aug 24 07:19:29 rwhitby: ok, re-submitted it Aug 24 07:19:58 btpatch: cheers - I'll take a look at it later this evening. Aug 24 07:20:35 nice, thank you ! Aug 24 07:20:44 jbruchon: I look forward to seeing the results Aug 24 07:20:52 rwhitby: link much appreciated; I'm going to lurk here since you guys are clearly geniuses and I could learn a ton. Aug 24 07:21:28 My goal is to dual-boot the Android stuff anyway; WebOS is really very nice... Aug 24 07:21:32 +1 Aug 24 07:21:35 kind of makes me not like Android so much anymore. Aug 24 07:21:51 * rwhitby bbiab Aug 24 07:21:58 that's awesome Aug 24 07:22:14 * oil wants to see android in a card he can just bring to focus whenever and use Aug 24 07:22:21 so trsohmers was a fake? lulz Aug 24 07:22:34 no, trsohmers was a 15 year old kid who wanted to make a name for himself Aug 24 07:22:47 oil, I like that idea a LOT. Aug 24 07:22:50 but when the repo was pulled he went "ah hell, guess I'll give up." Aug 24 07:23:00 lol Aug 24 07:23:21 if you guys need a new website that one of you can manage, I've got contacts in the industry.. in fact all he'd ask is a link to his hosting site at the bottom and he'd do it for free Aug 24 07:24:08 sup guise Aug 24 07:25:20 acfrazier: thanks, much appreciated. For now though, I'm going silent. Aug 24 07:25:24 I don't wanna pollute this room Aug 24 07:25:31 the drama has leaked far enough. Aug 24 07:25:34 alright, hit me up in a PM if you need anything Aug 24 07:25:48 Thanks. I'm really looking forward to working with you WebOS guys. Aug 24 07:26:52 webos community is alot more chill and helpful Aug 24 07:26:57 imo Aug 24 07:27:32 jbruchon, cheers. Aug 24 07:28:15 Yeah, I would hope so; the problem I had was that a couple of people tweeted passive-aggressive things due to the mistaken lack of code attribution, and they happened to be tied to here; it looked like "a bunch of WebOS guys angry that Android people are on their territory" but I seriously have more faith in fellow geeks than that Aug 24 07:28:33 ka6sox: you as well; I'm KJ4PLC, formerly KE4PRX, btw. Aug 24 07:28:49 excellent Aug 24 07:29:41 Really leaving now; bedtime. Goodnight. Aug 24 07:29:44 gnite Aug 24 07:31:44 Dude I love watching andrama Aug 24 07:31:51 Sorry Aug 24 07:33:44 w25 Aug 24 07:33:52 andrama...interesting. Aug 24 07:34:58 does this look right? Aug 24 07:35:06 -- /dev/mapper/store-ext3fs on /media/ext3fs type ext3 (rw,noatime,errors=continue,barrier=0,data=writeback) Aug 24 07:35:21 my new ext3fs Aug 24 07:36:07 ya, that looks like the line Aug 24 07:36:30 its mounted correctly Aug 24 07:36:57 k thanks Aug 24 07:40:45 btpatch: um, your patch looks strange Aug 24 07:41:39 btpatch: when I said you needed to remove the whitespace-only changes, I meant that you need to only touch those lines in the file that you are actually going to change, and not change the whitespace (tabs, spaces) on lines you do not intend to change. Aug 24 07:41:57 btpatch: then create a normal patch from that file Aug 24 07:43:17 How feasible would it be to install Windows Embedded Compact 7 onto the touchpad? Aug 24 07:43:27 I'd imagine not very due to the lack of drivers Aug 24 07:55:29 rwhitby: before I hit the sack, who runs the twitter for you guys? Could they possibly remove that insulting tweet? Aug 24 07:56:55 If so, I'd appreciate it. The time for fighting is now over, and I'm trying to clean up flamebait. <3 you guys, nite Aug 24 07:59:02 oh, interesting, touchpad patches don't require luna restarts? (private browsing, add download link, advanced reset options) Aug 24 07:59:11 all installed, no restart Aug 24 07:59:19 but... they're there Aug 24 08:08:20 dwc-: enyo mods don't need luna restart usually Aug 24 08:09:01 mmm, I'm glad I'm in the habit of telling preware not to restart after patch installation then Aug 24 08:09:32 rwhitby, what do you think about my question? Aug 24 08:09:50 I actually only found out when I saw the extra options after holding hte power button, to restart, after installing the patches Aug 24 08:10:43 zottffssen: I'd say you have buckley's Aug 24 08:11:37 why? Aug 24 08:11:54 and would that also mean that theres little chance of windows 8 running on the touchpad? Aug 24 08:13:33 sorry to bug you with irritating questions Aug 24 08:17:27 ok, now the real question about ubuntu Aug 24 08:17:39 what's the most stable desktop? Aug 24 08:18:07 or best one Aug 24 08:19:08 Cyclic I ran lxde on my HTC Touch Pro 2, and it seems to be good system-resources wide, I heard it's good on the touchpad. (Mine is arriving tomorrow, so I can't say for sure.) Aug 24 08:19:17 s/wide/wise/ Aug 24 08:19:17 EdLin meant: Cyclic I ran lxde on my HTC Touch Pro 2, and it seems to be good system-resources wise, I heard it's good on the touchpad. (Mine is arriving tomorrow, so I can't say for sure.) Aug 24 08:22:12 k thx Aug 24 08:45:32 you know what.. why has nobody thought of using qemu to run another OS on this? Aug 24 08:53:09 Hi all, hope somebody is here! I need help with linux on tp, again Aug 24 08:53:23 doubt I can help, but shoot Aug 24 08:53:36 I tried several x managers and only icewm work Aug 24 08:54:10 Xfce says that HPTouchPad internet adress cannot be looked up Aug 24 08:54:38 And then only the desktop appear, no panel Aug 24 08:55:05 hm, I'm using LXDE which works for me Aug 24 08:55:13 Gnome says there's a problem with arandr missing Aug 24 08:55:45 And kde netbook says a config file is missing Aug 24 08:56:38 Yes acfrazier , I read that lxde works, but I wanted to try other wm Aug 24 08:57:21 What package name did you use to apt get lxde acfrazier ? Aug 24 08:57:28 exactly that, lxde Aug 24 08:57:36 Ok^^ Aug 24 08:57:39 and to start it up, type lxsession Aug 24 08:57:57 I'll try it to see if I like it Aug 24 08:58:41 But I will try to have at least gnome working, hope someone will be ableto help! Aug 24 09:00:10 I'll open a thread on PreCentral Aug 24 09:01:46 there already is a thread Aug 24 09:01:50 don't start a new one Aug 24 09:31:58 heyho Aug 24 09:34:05 is there anyway to get the multitasking to work in cards like it did in 3.0.0? Aug 24 09:35:04 tehsu: what difference are you seeing? Aug 24 09:35:51 in 3.0.0 if i was using wirc or video playback, it would keep playing when i went into cards Aug 24 09:35:59 and now it stops until i go back to it Aug 24 09:36:10 unless im mistaking Aug 24 11:52:43 hell o Aug 24 12:49:21 the update for xserver that happened last night arouund 11pm est ended up making it so xserver will no longer launch Aug 24 12:49:55 is there a way to revert back to the previoous version? Aug 24 12:51:01 0.7.3 was working but the current 0.7.4 does not Aug 24 12:55:05 got it working after removing all 3 apps then reinstalling. seems slower now thouugh Aug 24 12:56:40 is wIRC fairly safe to install? i see it says something about fixing fstab Aug 24 12:57:30 that means an old webos-bug Aug 24 12:58:25 so i can install without the fix? Aug 24 12:58:55 any other PDK aps installed? Aug 24 12:58:59 +p Aug 24 12:59:06 which webos-version? Aug 24 13:00:36 hp touchpad Aug 24 13:00:45 oh, yes Aug 24 13:00:57 bug in 1.4.0 oder 1.4.5 Aug 24 13:01:04 oder=or Aug 24 13:01:04 Cubber, you're safe in the TP Aug 24 13:01:14 got it installed switching over now Aug 24 13:02:18 worked Aug 24 13:02:23 of course Aug 24 13:03:16 is there an antivirus app available. The university I teach at requires ah installed to get WiFi access. Aug 24 13:04:20 was thinking of just writing a quick dummy app that looks like ah is installed cause they just do a quick visual check Aug 24 13:04:28 there are no viruses atm for webOS Aug 24 13:05:04 you will have to make a dummy app ;) Aug 24 13:05:18 I understand that but they don't. had to install clamps on my gentoo laptop to make them happy Aug 24 13:05:36 ok I will work on that thanks Aug 24 13:05:58 clamps = clam av Aug 24 13:09:18 last question how do I get the feed that allows me to install linux commands like screen and other useful commands. optware is setup by default in prepare and I have added the testing channels but only seem to have around 500 packages listed. Aug 24 13:09:48 bah prepare = preware Aug 24 13:10:21 hmmm... optware has several, you can install xserver+xterm, and then add things from optware installing the optware installer + using ipkg-opt Aug 24 13:11:02 or you can wait for my comprehensive blog post on installing the Ubuntu chroot in the touchpad, which will let you... well, have Ubuntu and most of its apps in a card Aug 24 13:11:12 got x installed and tried ipkg-opt but was unable to get the pkgs Aug 24 13:11:26 cool Aug 24 13:11:32 why is everyone trying to get ubuntu on the touchpad? Aug 24 13:11:51 don't really want Bantu ju Aug 24 13:12:09 isn't ubuntu to heavy/improper for that purpose? Aug 24 13:12:15 ubuntu just the commands Aug 24 13:12:34 ? Aug 24 13:12:43 cubber: did you use ipkg-opt update first? Aug 24 13:13:10 getting used to typing on the touchpad with it's autocorrect Aug 24 13:13:14 yes Aug 24 13:13:37 having the ubuntu chroot is like that xzibit meme .. linux in your linux because you like linux so much Aug 24 13:13:38 sx: Ubuntu has a distribution for ARM processors, the guys at webOS Internals recompiled some stuff and made most of the distribution files available to run on the TP with no modifications. There are very light window managers that run quite well on the TouchPad Aug 24 13:14:29 bpadalino: Actually is more than that, right now it's the only way to have "proper" document editing on the TouchPad, along with image editing, and many applications that exist for ubuntu but there are no equivalents on the touchpad Aug 24 13:14:39 NuttyBunny: hm, so how long is the battery range? Aug 24 13:15:06 NuttyBunny: sure - i understand .. proper X apps and whatnot .. but just so much linux going on :) Aug 24 13:15:08 got it working nuttybunny thanks I must have misses something last night Aug 24 13:15:09 sx: Dunno, I can go all day with a single charge, medium - heavy use Aug 24 13:15:18 it is installing screen now Aug 24 13:15:33 NuttyBunny: so you already have ubuntu on it? Aug 24 13:15:48 NuttyBunny: which wm are you using? Aug 24 13:17:09 sx: Oh yes, Ubuntu with fluxbox & lxde, libreoffice, gimp, compiling tools, rxvt, firefox, chromium. I like fluxbox because it's very, VERY light, but I don't have a menu on it. lxde on the other hand installs quite a bunch of packages, but it's very nice visually Aug 24 13:17:29 does x11 ssh forwarding work with the xserver, can I run x apps from my gentle server with ssh -Y ? Aug 24 13:18:02 cubber: It should, I didn't try it Aug 24 13:18:22 NuttyBunny, did you get a version of chromium newer than 10? I can't figure out how. Aug 24 13:18:43 NuttyBunny: i don't like the look of lxde, maybe i'm a bit spoiled by gnome, i really like those bars :( Aug 24 13:20:02 acfrazier, No, I just have 10.0.684.205 Aug 24 13:20:21 sx: I think there are problems with gnome/kde :( Aug 24 13:20:24 ah yeah, that one is fairly old. chrome stable is on 14 now I think Aug 24 13:20:44 NuttyBunny: why? Aug 24 13:21:15 acfrazier: I seem to recall some page with instructions to compile a newer version. I haven't tried to do it tho Aug 24 13:21:36 They do new ARM builds.. dunno if they are compatible though Aug 24 13:21:49 sx: something about dbus, I don't know. I just know that I don't want to use them, too memory intensive Aug 24 13:21:58 http://build.chromium.org/f/chromium/snapshots/Arm/ Aug 24 13:22:06 acfrazier, they do? hmm... maybe it's just a matter to download them :D Aug 24 13:22:24 check the waterfall though.. not all builds work as intended. Aug 24 13:23:14 x11 forward does not work fails with no display specified Aug 24 13:23:17 * NuttyBunny downloads the latest one Aug 24 13:23:54 cubber: well, you may need to do something else, like specifying the display variable :) Aug 24 13:24:26 lol maybe will fart with it later Aug 24 13:24:39 thanks for the help Aug 24 13:24:43 ok! Aug 24 13:24:58 * NuttyBunny needs to finish or at least advance on that Ubuntu chroot blog post... Aug 24 13:30:32 help Aug 24 13:30:43 hello? Aug 24 13:30:53 NuttyBunny: have you tried easy stroke? Aug 24 13:31:02 ^ best way to join a chatroom Aug 24 13:31:03 easystroke Aug 24 13:31:06 lol Aug 24 13:31:09 help Aug 24 13:31:11 XD Aug 24 13:31:20 ^^ Aug 24 13:31:33 NewbieOK is all like Aug 24 13:31:34 help Aug 24 13:31:36 XD Aug 24 13:31:49 hey, I didn't know this was a chat room. I just clicked a link... until someone came on & said something, I dind't know where I was. :) Aug 24 13:31:50 guise, he's a newbie, OK? Aug 24 13:33:16 sx: easy stroke? no, what is it? Aug 24 13:33:35 Is there a way to change the UA on WebOS? It seems Hulu insists my touchpad is a "mobile device" despite being no more mobile than a laptop. Aug 24 13:33:38 NuttyBunny: a gesture application Aug 24 13:34:16 sx: for webOS? Aug 24 13:34:20 NewbieOK wat Aug 24 13:34:24 hulu works fine for me Aug 24 13:34:24 NuttyBunny: no linux Aug 24 13:34:42 i used it just last night Aug 24 13:34:45 NewbieOK: No, there's no way to do it right now :( Aug 24 13:34:58 sx: mmm... I'll try it later :) Aug 24 13:35:05 Crimsonred, I guess I did the update to the touchpad that was offered (I just got the touchpad last night). Now Hulu says my device is not supported Aug 24 13:35:10 webos seems to be very limited in gestures Aug 24 13:35:30 Hulu worked for me until after the update, but that may not be the cause. Aug 24 13:35:42 and pinch to zoom seems the only multitouch gesture, correct me if i'm wrong Aug 24 13:38:29 sx: Yep, few apps use more two-finger gestures for more than pinch+zoom (Carbon uses it for "power scroll"). But the webOS devices can get up to 5 fingers at the same time, it's up to the developers take advantage of that Aug 24 13:39:26 crimsonredmd: can you watch hulu video on your touchpad today? Aug 24 13:39:27 hulu just told me it doesn't support my platform Aug 24 13:39:59 I wonder if Hulu made a change last night or if we updated the touchpad with something that made it not supported? Aug 24 13:41:10 anyone able to use hulu on a touchpad? Aug 24 13:41:44 it worked just after I updated when I got my touchpad Aug 24 13:42:19 acfrazier: chrome asks for libEGL, I don't know if we have it, and I won't look for it right now, I'll try again later ;) Aug 24 13:42:48 kk Aug 24 13:42:53 Rmind: so it worked for you yesterday, but Hulu isn't working now? That would seem to indicate Hulu changes something. Aug 24 13:43:41 Rmind: I mean... that seems to indicate that Hulu changed something on their end in detecting the flood of new touchpads Aug 24 13:43:45 didn't try yesterday, but it did work after I updated Aug 24 13:44:22 if they are going to block the site they should give us an app Aug 24 13:44:57 Ability to use Hulu was a major reason I wanted the touchpad. I'm wondering if we could change our browser to report we are a desktop browser (if that's what Hulu is using to block us)? Aug 24 13:59:10 hulu working for anyone? Aug 24 13:59:22 no, europe :D Aug 24 14:00:51 I'm guessing hulu finally caught on Aug 24 14:21:20 is there a list of xecutah key mappings someplace handy? e.g. ctrl-c and ctrl-d are useful commands for sysadmins Aug 24 14:42:18 directhex: for phones, see: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:X#Keyboard_Support Aug 24 14:42:24 directhex: for device, no control supported atm. Aug 24 14:44:32 dtzWill, gesture area... and with that, my work phone is now 100% functional :) Aug 24 15:02:13 trying this keyboard on xs Aug 24 15:03:50 fwiw no update made x itself any slower :) Aug 24 15:04:03 might take longer to start, and in fact it definitely will, by around half a second Aug 24 15:04:28 rwhitby: maybe we can/should get the tweaks values in xecutah, and pass them to the server/xterm? Aug 24 15:05:05 Is anyone working on getting a different flavor of linux, other than android, running on the hp touch pad? Aug 24 15:06:38 syntax_erorr, it's just running a SDL x server with the option an an ubuntu chroot Aug 24 15:08:49 RagingMind, Would you happen to know of a web site with info on doing that? Aug 24 15:09:35 the packages for it are all in preware, but the chroot part needs special setting up Aug 24 15:10:10 oh, does the ubuntu chroot not just use /media/internal as a loopback mount if you don't have a special partition? Aug 24 15:10:27 errr put the chroot image somewhere and mount it, is clearly what i meant. Aug 24 15:10:52 i haven't tried, but the package description says it requires a special ext3 file system to be set up by metadoctor Aug 24 15:10:52 i don't have space for an ubuntu chroot on my pre3 Aug 24 15:11:02 there's only 5.5g writeable as it is Aug 24 15:11:03 directhex, 68MB? Aug 24 15:11:16 RagingMind: Not necessarily Meta Doctor :D Aug 24 15:11:16 you don't need *all* of ubuntu :-P Aug 24 15:11:33 NuttyBunny, I still have my debian chroot sitting around and was about to try that :) Aug 24 15:11:36 RagingMind, but my phone clearly needs Unity! Aug 24 15:12:21 RagingMind, using packages for the pre on the hp touch pad is OK? Aug 24 15:13:21 RagingMind: If you're patient you could read my blog post on the Ubuntu chroot and all the options to make it work :) Including repartition your device or creating a loopback filesystem inside a file Aug 24 15:13:36 (I hope to finish it today) Aug 24 15:13:52 I have a loopback file system debian chroot :-P Aug 24 15:14:02 ubuntu drives me nuts, so i avoid it Aug 24 15:14:11 smart kids use LVM over loopback files, in order to eliminate the "fixed size" problem with using loopback directly Aug 24 15:14:17 dtzWill: the default setting of xs for virtual keyboard crashes on Pre2 Aug 24 15:14:18 this may or may not be a joke Aug 24 15:14:31 NuttyBunny: that would be nice to read Aug 24 15:14:42 NuttyBunny: are you building a custom kernel? Aug 24 15:15:08 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Building_a_Debian_chroot_image Aug 24 15:15:35 So could can I assume that almost any technique used on the pre to get a linux distro going would also work on a hp touch pad? Aug 24 15:15:39 sx: no, not at all, I don't have the time to build and test custom kernels :) Aug 24 15:15:48 syntax_erorr: correct Aug 24 15:16:42 i have the time, so is there a guide how to get started with linux? Aug 24 15:16:57 Thanks! Aug 24 15:17:30 Louder|pre: can you reproduce and send me /tmp/xserver.log? (or pastebin, etc?) Aug 24 15:18:36 sx: LOTS of them, but under webOS, well, no, there aren't many. You can check wiki.webos-internals.org to see if you find something ;) lots of useful stuff there Aug 24 15:18:43 (worked on my veer/tp, can't easily test other devices, sorry) Aug 24 15:19:16 looking at the code, it should do the same as before, but unfortunately for programmers around the world "looking at the code" isn't the ultimate bug-finding tool sometimes :( Aug 24 15:20:06 anyway lmk if you ahve more info, thanks :) Aug 24 15:20:09 I guess I should start looking for a Pre2 in good condition Aug 24 15:36:51 hi Everybody, I want to report a bug/problem with XTerm/Xecutah/XServer. Versions 0.72/0.73 worked without issues (I start Xecutah, then XServer then XTerm). Today I downloaded the last versions of these 3 packages by Preware (the ones letting the font and color to be changed by Tweaks). Now the I start Xterm I see a sort of log where xterm process is started and stopped and killed ... the last one is 'org.webosinternals.xt Aug 24 15:37:09 dtzWill: Are you sure the default is green on black? On mine it said "Foreground: Black", "Background: Black" Aug 24 15:37:49 NuttyBunny, that's what it showed for me, but i'm pretty sure it lied Aug 24 15:38:41 dtzWill, that may have to wait until tonight Aug 24 15:38:48 NuttyBunny: update, pushed about an hour ago. Aug 24 15:38:53 Louder|pre: kk, lmk. Aug 24 15:38:59 The 0.7.7 version of XTerm (downloaded few minutes ago) doesn't work too. Aug 24 15:39:22 DrAg0n_: thanks for the report! Aug 24 15:39:23 dtzWill, Newer update? lemme check (I updated about a couple hours ago) :) Aug 24 15:39:27 I just wanted to provide feedback. Have a nice evening. Aug 24 15:39:29 DrAg0n_: what device/firmware? Aug 24 15:40:19 dtzWill: I have a Palm Pre 2 with WebOs 2.1.0 and UberKernel -76. Aug 24 15:40:50 DrAg0n_, did you try setting the keyboard to "disabled"? Aug 24 15:41:02 from tweaks ? Aug 24 15:41:19 you really shouldn't have to set that, but apparently you do. hrrm... Aug 24 15:42:06 That was my exact problem Aug 24 15:42:15 wait does the xserver run Aug 24 15:42:20 or does the xterm not run. Aug 24 15:42:23 Yes Aug 24 15:42:30 btw my firmware is CUO.5.72(5036) Aug 24 15:42:33 is that the ambiguous 'both' yes? Aug 24 15:42:40 Xterm is what throws errors Aug 24 15:42:51 Xserver launches fine Aug 24 15:42:57 XServer still launches Aug 24 15:43:01 mine too Aug 24 15:43:09 Sorry if that wasn't clear earlier Aug 24 15:43:09 okay, xserver launches. that was a concern previously. Aug 24 15:43:26 np, i'm not interested in blaming anyone for the misunderstanding, just glad that works Aug 24 15:43:30 and you both see errors, blech. Aug 24 15:43:36 can you try changing the colors in tweaks, still doens't owrk? Aug 24 15:43:56 I already tried to change colors in tweaks this morning Aug 24 15:44:12 As long as I set VK to off it works Aug 24 15:44:15 to see if the problem was betweeb tweaks and xterm, but that didn't change anything Aug 24 15:44:23 VK off ? Aug 24 15:44:32 Virtual keyboard Aug 24 15:44:46 Louder|pre: you're saying changing the vkb option changes whether or not xterm runs? Aug 24 15:44:57 I don't have a Virtual Keyboard since I have WebOs 2.1.0 o_O Aug 24 15:44:57 xterm shouldn't in any way be effected by xserver's keyboard settings :( Aug 24 15:45:10 Yes Aug 24 15:45:32 btw lemme try to set it off Aug 24 15:45:37 moment Aug 24 15:45:43 Louder|pre: and changing the vkb option to non-off (say, xs again) breaks things reliably? Aug 24 15:46:00 dtzWill, latest xterm worked for me, and honored my settings, white over black :D Aug 24 15:46:08 Correct Aug 24 15:47:02 no, even setting 'off' to virtual keyboard it doens't change a thing, same errors same problems Aug 24 15:47:10 so i rebuilt webos docotr 2.1 for sprint pre- and now i can't even get past the next button when you connect the device in recovery mode Aug 24 15:47:25 but i changed the values of foreground and background too ... Aug 24 15:47:26 INFO: got devices 0 Aug 24 15:47:27 Aug 24, 2011 10:44:05 AM com.palm.nova.installer.recoverytool.runner.DeviceDisco Aug 24 15:47:27 veryRunner$DeviceDiscoveryThread run Aug 24 15:47:27 INFO: got controller Aug 24 15:47:27 Aug 24, 2011 10:44:05 AM com.palm.nova.installer.recoverytool.runner.DeviceDisco Aug 24 15:47:27 veryRunner$DeviceDiscoveryThread run Aug 24 15:47:27 INFO: got devices 0 Aug 24 15:47:54 here is the build logs Aug 24 15:47:55 http://pastebin.com/FQ2vtVvp Aug 24 15:48:06 are there any 'safe' or 'default' values for foreground and background colors ? Aug 24 15:48:25 Black and Black ? Aug 24 15:48:35 DrAg0n_: green/black are defaults, although if you overrode those earlier when the default was black-on-black (whoops), there would be issues. Aug 24 15:48:44 errr issue would be 'it's black on black', to be clear. Aug 24 15:48:44 :) Aug 24 15:48:53 DrAg0n_: That's what it said on mine ;) black on black.. hehehe Aug 24 15:49:49 To be clear, my problem spits out a bunch of text on top of the xecutah card Aug 24 15:50:10 mine too Aug 24 15:50:21 On top?? Aug 24 15:50:22 indeed. Aug 24 15:50:30 can either of you run the xecutah.sh script in xterm by hand? Aug 24 15:50:32 the card with the 'stopping process' is a xecutah one, not xterm Aug 24 15:50:36 and pastebin any errors/etc? Aug 24 15:51:12 I can't run xterm in ANYCASE, so i don't think i can do it Aug 24 15:51:25 maybe if I install back SDLterminal Aug 24 15:51:30 That is the problem Aug 24 15:51:48 DrAg0n_, Louder|pre: is it possible you guys installed tweaks, but haven't restarted yet? Aug 24 15:51:55 (this shouldn't be happening regardless, but j/w) Aug 24 15:52:12 i don't remember, i try a reboot and confirm this Aug 24 15:52:22 sorry to ask you to resort to that. Aug 24 15:52:28 hopefully someone can give me a debug log later :) Aug 24 15:52:54 yes I understand you need a decent log Aug 24 15:53:14 doens't xecutah or xterm creates a log somewhere to paste here ? Aug 24 15:53:19 maybe in some file ? Aug 24 15:53:38 I've had tweaks installed for months, but I'll go ahead and reboot Aug 24 15:53:41 Brb Aug 24 15:54:16 I installed tweaks TODAY to be sincere ... btw i am rebooting right now Aug 24 15:54:16 DrAg0n_: /tmp/xserver.log and /tmp/xterm.log Aug 24 15:54:32 then it is easy Aug 24 15:54:46 hooray Aug 24 15:54:46 if the errors are logged there, i'll provide the log to you in 5 minutes Aug 24 15:55:02 if the script is failing due to non-xterm related reasons i think those logs might not e useful, but we'll see. worth a look certainlyh. Aug 24 15:55:26 yes Aug 24 15:57:07 emn I rebooted and now it works Aug 24 15:57:10 <---------- blushing Aug 24 15:57:12 xD Aug 24 15:57:16 LOL Aug 24 15:57:37 I really didn't think I had to reboot, sorry Aug 24 15:59:16 would someone be able to help me with installing 2.1 on pre-? Aug 24 15:59:24 And a reboot made it go away Aug 24 15:59:58 mine too Aug 24 16:00:08 here is are the logs to my build http://pastebin.com/FQ2vtVvp Aug 24 16:00:45 sorry for bothering you. most of packages don't require to reboot, so i didn't reboot ... Aug 24 16:00:56 ;) Aug 24 16:01:00 thx for your work Aug 24 16:01:22 maybe a reboot should be forced after installing 'Tweaks' Aug 24 16:01:31 or asked for Aug 24 16:01:44 have a nice day, gtg Aug 24 16:02:08 hmmm... I rebooted because I installed a patch and tweaks Aug 24 16:03:38 i have no idea if tweaks needs a reboot Aug 24 16:03:43 it has a service, so i thought it would Aug 24 16:03:59 strange that that borks xterm though Aug 24 16:04:08 (unacceptably strange, whoops) Aug 24 16:05:03 Damn it webos...still no adhoc?...STILL? Aug 24 16:05:18 I assume you call the service in xterm, and if it's not running, it defaults to "undefined" for the colors, or just a null string, and xterm just exits with errors, not crashing Aug 24 16:06:14 NuttyBunny: in theory if we don't get a value, we just don't pass the optoins Aug 24 16:06:41 NuttyBunny: http://git.webos-internals.org/x11/xterm-launcher/tree/get_colors.inc Aug 24 16:06:55 ignore that stray comment, but you see what i mean. Aug 24 16:07:27 guess we should be more roust on the input Aug 24 16:07:46 but on failure, the 'grep fbColor' should yield nothing... Aug 24 16:07:51 *fgColor Aug 24 16:07:51 when i put the phone into recovery mode, and try to run webosdoctor it never gives me the option to push next Aug 24 16:07:51 etc Aug 24 16:11:50 jackjohn: standard webOS doctor? Aug 24 16:12:13 2.1 for sprint Aug 24 16:12:49 what OS? Aug 24 16:13:34 im currently on 1.4.5 trying to run meta-sprint-pre-2.1.0 Aug 24 16:14:37 but what operating system are you running your webOS doctor on? Aug 24 16:14:43 win 7 Aug 24 16:15:04 dtzWill: funny thing, code works on my Pre 2 :S Aug 24 16:15:07 i created it with ubuntu and copied the meta dr over from the VM Aug 24 16:15:32 jackjohn: is the vm still running? is it possible the usb device is capture by your VM? Aug 24 16:16:20 yes vm still running, shutting down now Aug 24 16:16:32 can click next now... good call Aug 24 16:16:36 lets see where i get now Aug 24 16:16:51 before i can only get to 8% Aug 24 16:17:14 got the down arrow now with chip! Aug 24 16:17:26 must have had a bad build before Aug 24 16:18:13 hahaha.. cool :D Aug 24 16:18:34 jackjohn: \o/ hooray Aug 24 16:18:56 (fwiw you should be able to manage usb devices in your vmm, but shutting down works too hehe) Aug 24 16:19:43 ya nice huh, i was just about to reboot my machine too, which would have down it as vm would not have been running... its always the small things! Aug 24 16:19:48 or obvious Aug 24 16:26:18 anyone else take up microsoft on their free dev support shit? Aug 24 16:26:49 PatrickC was looking onto it.. traitor Aug 24 16:27:30 Of course I contacted them. If they want to give me development software and expert advice, who am I to turn it down. Does this mean I'm dropping webOS? Do I -look- that stupid? Aug 24 16:27:56 i'm in their online training conference right now, surprised they didnt offer the same to meego developers when nokia pulled the rug out Aug 24 16:28:08 i might get a WP7 device for myself, if sajid anwar gets his mtpz patches into libmtp Aug 24 16:28:29 exactly rboatright, no reason to turn down free help in learning a new system Aug 24 16:33:47 Good media converter anyone? Aug 24 16:33:57 one that'll do WMV9 v2 Aug 24 16:34:00 which not many will.. Aug 24 16:35:49 NuttyBunny: how's that BT keyboard you were trying to group by working out with the TP? Aug 24 16:36:24 RavenII: I think mplayer/mencoder on x86 with windows libs will do that Aug 24 16:36:43 dwc-: I didn't get it in the end :( I ordered another from dealextreme, but it hasn't even been shipped yet Aug 24 16:37:34 RavenII handbrake? AVIDeMux? Aug 24 16:38:23 maybe enable the vkb on 2.1 and see if xterm runs with the keyboard set to xs? Aug 24 16:38:34 and I skipped a bunck Aug 24 16:38:48 *bunch of the backlog Aug 24 16:43:00 rboatright: you -look- like a string of characters on my screen Aug 24 16:49:14 s/group by/group buy/ Aug 24 16:49:31 NuttyBunny: ahh. have touchpad now.... was wondering how it was working out Aug 24 16:51:34 dwc-, I wonder as well ;) Aug 24 16:54:07 hello Aug 24 16:56:11 anyone here? Aug 24 16:56:20 a little thing in xecutah that lets you select an image to loopmount for a chroot would be awesome Aug 24 16:56:22 mac__, hi Aug 24 16:57:26 i got a prob and need some advice Aug 24 16:58:15 I would attempt to help, but I gotta shower and head into work :( if you're patient someone else will notice eventually Aug 24 16:59:34 thanks Aug 24 16:59:41 have a good day at work Aug 24 17:03:29 hello Aug 24 17:08:56 mac__, this is irc. don't ask permission to ask a question. just ask it. if someone knows the answer, they'll answer. Aug 24 17:11:21 well i had some probs with my phone and i had to take it to sprint, they said they couldnt fix it because it is rooted, i am not completely sure how to unroot it Aug 24 17:12:05 and i found the webos doctor and think that will do the trick Aug 24 17:12:42 but my question is if i log back in to my palm account wont it just reinstall everything? Aug 24 17:15:42 i guess my real question is how do i completely remove preware off my phone Aug 24 17:16:07 mac__: just the app? Aug 24 17:16:17 is the optware openvpn.ppkg updated for the touchpad? Aug 24 17:16:25 well i need to unroot my phone Aug 24 17:16:26 ipkg even Aug 24 17:16:54 mac__: well, if you just want the preware app off, you orange+tap on the app and choose delete Aug 24 17:17:14 mac__: (white+tap if you're on a phone with that color scheme) Aug 24 17:17:30 mac__: and you never really "Rooted" your phone. You can turn off dev mode the same way you turned it on. Aug 24 17:17:46 so what do you think he was talking about? Aug 24 17:17:52 i didnt think that i had rooted it Aug 24 17:17:56 mac__: I just got here :) Aug 24 17:18:10 ok let me give you the back ground Aug 24 17:18:13 sampson: I'm not ignoring you, I just have no idea. Aug 24 17:18:38 flare576: i figured it out... was googling for the wrong thing Aug 24 17:18:39 thanks thoug Aug 24 17:19:02 i been having some data connection errors with my phone, took it to sprint, they said they couldnt fix it because it had been rooted Aug 24 17:19:14 and i needed to unroot it so they could fix it Aug 24 17:19:21 cool, glad you figured it out :) I'm in the middle of trying to figure out how to connect to my Cisco AnyConnect VPN for work... when we don't have any mobile licenses :( Aug 24 17:20:18 mac__: did you get the impression theyd' be sending it off to get fixed? If so, you'll want to download Save/Restore (from Preware) backup all of your data on the "USB" portion of your device, and then do a full metadoctor. Aug 24 17:20:46 mac__: if they can fix it in-house and you'll be guarenteed to get your own device back, you should still do all the backup Aug 24 17:20:54 do you have patches installed on your device? Aug 24 17:20:59 many Aug 24 17:21:36 mac__: you'll want to run EPR (Emergency Patch Recovery) after you do your Save/Restore, then uninstall Preware, then turn off dev mode Aug 24 17:21:46 I had to do the same thing for Sprint once or twice :) Aug 24 17:22:05 what is the EPR? where can i find it? Aug 24 17:23:09 mac__: Open Preware, and just type "Emergency" and you'll see it. It is a mechanism WebOS Internals developed to quickly remove all patches from a system. Aug 24 17:23:37 mac__: originally, it was developed to be able to make the device "Safe" for Over-the-air updates, but it will serve this purpose as well. Aug 24 17:23:41 and same with metadoctor, preware app? Aug 24 17:24:11 metadoctor is a whole different ball game, and I misspoke; just the WebOS Doctor. I suggested that in case you want to remove all personal data from the system. Aug 24 17:24:30 ok webos doctor Aug 24 17:24:53 no webos doctor for 2.2.0 is scary Aug 24 17:25:07 if wiping the data is a concern for you, you'll need to manually clear out the USB portion. Aug 24 17:25:14 directhex: he's rocking a Pre-, not an issue for him Aug 24 17:25:24 ... sadly Aug 24 17:25:34 yes sadly Aug 24 17:26:03 so let me make sure i got this right Aug 24 17:26:11 * flare576 looks down at his own Pre- with a tear in his eye "At least you run at 1.0ghz thanks to a handful of geniuses" Aug 24 17:26:55 do save/restore, then EPR, uninstall preware turn off dev mode. then full webos doctor Aug 24 17:27:09 and i should be good to go? Aug 24 17:27:38 yes; the last part (webos Doctor) is 100% optional, and is only important if you want to be sure that if Sprint needs to send it off somewhere, none of your data is on it. Aug 24 17:28:36 mac__: Please note one other thing: if you've installed APPS from preware, they will not be removed by EPR. Aug 24 17:29:04 if i do a webosdoct and then sign back into my profile everything is back on it right? Aug 24 17:29:11 so it is almost pointless? Aug 24 17:29:32 if you sign back into your profile, all of your personal data is back on it again, yup Aug 24 17:29:59 so, again, unless you're concerned about them shipping it with your data, don't bother doctoring. Aug 24 17:30:28 ok Aug 24 17:30:52 mac__: be sure you read the Save/Restore info; you need to connect to a PC to save all of your USB data, including the file it creates. Aug 24 17:31:04 how do i uninstall all the patches? Aug 24 17:31:09 EPR. Aug 24 17:31:30 Yeah, don't do what I did… Save/Restore back up and then do a full erase, only to realize I never copied the Save/Restore back up off the device! Aug 24 17:31:58 ok Aug 24 17:32:40 So, I guess the steps are: 1. Download Save/Restore 2. Run Save/Restore 3. Connect to PC with USB and backup all data 4. Run EPR 5. Uninstall Preware 6. Turn off Dev mode Aug 24 17:34:52 thanks flare you have been helpful Aug 24 17:35:23 mac__: no problem. Once you get your device back, the steps are reversed, with step zero being "Donate to webOS Internals" :) Aug 24 17:35:43 yeah, i need to do that Aug 24 17:35:48 i am new to webos Aug 24 17:35:55 welcome! Aug 24 17:36:38 disappoint that pre3 wont be on sprint Aug 24 17:36:39 I'm just some guy that visits the chats occasionally, the real muscle behind webOS Internals are probably busy making things awesomer Aug 24 17:36:50 I'm disappointed it won't be in America lol Aug 24 17:36:55 yeah you prob right bout that Aug 24 17:37:13 but we might get something else Aug 24 17:37:44 hopefully. I've been holding off on buying a new device waiting for the Pre3, and now I'll have to wait longer for the "next webOS device" or an announcement that there just won't be anymore. Aug 24 17:38:06 I think everyone is disappointed about the Pre3 Aug 24 17:38:32 I waited for ages for any sort of news on it because it was really a stellar device having seen it at the Feb 9th event Aug 24 17:38:35 oh, mac__, before I forget. When you re-install preware, get Save/Restore FIRST, run it, restore the file you backed up, and then re-load Preware; it will be able to re-install all of your patches from memory. Aug 24 17:38:39 but the free Nexus S 4G deal got the best of me :< Aug 24 17:38:49 I dunno what sprint phone I'm gonna get to replace my pre- Aug 24 17:38:53 SineOt: NOOOOOOOO (can't blame you) NOOOOOO Aug 24 17:39:27 I'm gonna find a pre2 until the next webos devices come out Aug 24 17:39:32 I probably will be leaving Sprint unfortunately; since I moved I have zero signal at my house unless I turn on Roam Only Aug 24 17:39:39 I was waiting for galaxy s II, but now it looks like they will be blocked from sale like in the EU Aug 24 17:39:42 ok thanks Aug 24 17:40:05 RMind: that's kind of what I was thinking, too... not sure I want to drop 1-200 bucks on a device I'll have for an undetermined period of time, though.... Aug 24 17:40:06 linuxjacques: Samsung only got dinged for the Gallery app, and has said they'll ship something else which should allow for sales Aug 24 17:40:17 SineOt: that's great news Aug 24 17:40:38 linuxjacques: not so great news is that the Gallery app is the stock Android one Aug 24 17:40:47 so who knows what that means for Android in general Aug 24 17:40:55 SineOt: ouch :-\ Aug 24 17:41:27 I heard something about them adding all the android buttons to the bottom the the phone, but I didn't look to see how credible that was Aug 24 17:41:27 linuxjacques: no big loss though, the stock Android gallery app is pretty terrible! One of the first things I replaced Aug 24 17:42:08 ug... I hate work Aug 24 17:42:55 one thing I really, really miss with the Nexus S… Is cards. I miss those SO much Aug 24 17:43:25 Weird... TouchPad stopped making any sounds, killed audiod and pulseaudio, and it still doesn't make system sounds (up/down volume), but it does play notifications... Aug 24 17:43:52 NuttyBunny: I had that happen a week ago, took a full power cycle to bring 'em back Aug 24 17:44:10 flare576, I refuse to do that, it happens too often Aug 24 17:44:11 hey guys. one question, how do i do a reset on a touchpad? Aug 24 17:44:40 ice8lue: home + pwr Aug 24 17:44:40 ice8lue: hold the power button, choose shut down device, and then power it back on when it's off. Aug 24 17:45:03 ice8lue: there's also a patch in preware that adds "Restart Device" and "Restart Luna" to that menu :) Aug 24 17:45:21 hm well it got stuck Aug 24 17:45:21 andre_pl: home+power = Screen shot, I thought.... Aug 24 17:45:23 if i can get a touchpad is it worth the money? Aug 24 17:45:29 mac__: oh god yes. Aug 24 17:45:30 does not respond on inputs Aug 24 17:45:35 if you hold them its a hard reset Aug 24 17:45:43 it's 99$, of course it's worth the money :] Aug 24 17:45:53 andre_pl: good to know! ( ice8lue, listen to andre_pl ) Aug 24 17:46:04 hard to find Aug 24 17:46:06 ice8lue: hold pwr + home for a few sec Aug 24 17:46:16 hmmm holding power + home does nothing Aug 24 17:46:17 very hard to find, yeah Aug 24 17:46:36 NuttyBunny: really? I've only had it happen the once... I suppose a Java reset might do it if you don't want to do a full device restart, but I'm not even 50% sure of that lol Aug 24 17:46:42 andre_pl, pwr+home takes a screenshot :P Aug 24 17:46:49 oh....phew now it did reset Aug 24 17:46:54 thx guys Aug 24 17:47:06 flare576, Java isn't even on webOS since 2.0 ;) Aug 24 17:47:07 NuttyBunny: if only pressed: if held it's apparently reset Aug 24 17:47:19 NuttyBunny: no kidding? That is also good to know. Aug 24 17:47:28 takes almost 10 sec Aug 24 17:47:38 also, I am now much less than 50% sure ;) Aug 24 17:47:39 andre_pl: sorry, my mistake, you're right Aug 24 17:47:41 was libsdl/terminus ever fixed for 3.x? Aug 24 17:47:58 sampson, nope, now you use xecutah+xserver+xter, Aug 24 17:48:01 xterm Aug 24 17:48:06 sadmonster Aug 24 17:48:14 xterm seems really slow from what i saw on youtube Aug 24 17:48:27 and white background :( Aug 24 17:48:33 NuttyBunny: May I ask about the messaging plugins? Aug 24 17:48:48 sampson: It isn't slow here, and the background is configurable Aug 24 17:48:54 ice8lue: yes, you may Aug 24 17:49:16 they're in the queue, just behind 3 apps that are almost complete Aug 24 17:49:19 ;) do you have an ETA when they will get on the TP Aug 24 17:49:44 sampson: not slow here, either, and getting better! Aug 24 17:49:55 not yet, but it will be soon Aug 24 17:50:22 =) only thing i'm missing on my TP is working icq ;) Aug 24 17:50:49 anyone played with usbip much? Aug 24 17:51:56 ugh, work calls Aug 24 17:53:12 cu guys Aug 24 17:56:37 wee, I finally managed to get a Pre3 (although I have to import it from UK to DE and didn't get the real cheap $79 deal) Aug 24 17:56:56 I just hope it includes a Touchstone, otherwise I'd also have to order one.... Aug 24 17:57:55 eliasp, I don't really think it's included Aug 24 17:58:07 tell you what, I'll trade you one mof my TSs for your pre3 Aug 24 17:58:16 NuttyBunny: yes, I assume so, too ;( the sales rep didn't know either Aug 24 17:58:52 summatusmentis: you'll get my Pre3, I'll get your TSs? :) Aug 24 17:59:04 sure, I'll give you both :) Aug 24 17:59:15 hm, sounds like a fair deal :) Aug 24 17:59:29 I'll add 10TPs on top of it... Aug 24 17:59:36 it just doesn't feel right without them ;) Aug 24 18:00:09 hah Aug 24 18:00:38 I was in horror the last 2 days... sunday returned from holidays and read all the bad news, monday my Pre- broke (started voice-call-recognition by itself all the time...)... today it became worse and it did it even more often... Aug 24 18:00:57 so, I'm really seriously considering picking up a pixi- Aug 24 18:01:03 and then finally: a mighty Pre3 appears... to be shipped Thursday, will arrive Monday ;) Aug 24 18:05:38 my understanding is that, being an American, I could not expect to pull 3G signal due to frequency differences..... and that makes me infinitely sad. Aug 24 18:07:46 what are you talking about? Aug 24 18:08:02 sorry, with the Pre3 Aug 24 18:08:20 oh, I'm not 100% sure that's true Aug 24 18:08:27 you should compare the freqs used Aug 24 18:08:52 nor am I, but I was lurking when Rod and... I forget who else, were talking about the 850mhz vs 900mhz bands Aug 24 18:09:06 and that's the gist that I got Aug 24 18:09:30 I feel like someone was saying that AT&T uses the same freqs as UK Aug 24 18:09:37 but T-Mobile does not Aug 24 18:11:17 * flare576_work wikipedias cellphone frequency and quickly realizes why he's not a Hardware Engineer... Aug 24 18:13:36 uhm, if I had to pretend I knew what I was talking about, I'd say that "there is no overlap between the American 3G frequencies (698-806) and the internationaly used frequencies. Closest is GSM 850 (824.2-894) Aug 24 18:19:31 UK and US are the same cellular frequencies but not for 3G data, my past experiences are that you only get EDGE on European phones Aug 24 18:20:07 "american" 3g frequencies Aug 24 18:20:14 * flare576_work nods at plwweasel while staring dumbly at spectrum charts Aug 24 18:20:42 * flare576_work goes back to programming, where crap makes sense Aug 24 18:20:59 the UK pre3 will get 3G in the US wherever there is 3G service on 1900Mhz Aug 24 18:21:15 ATT 3G that is Aug 24 18:21:30 which is limited and not as prevalent Aug 24 18:22:10 So, to clarify, ATT's 3G signal is always 1900Mhz? Aug 24 18:22:34 or one of their 3G signals is 1900, and they have 3g in other spectrums as well Aug 24 18:22:58 this Aug 24 18:23:07 I believe Aug 24 18:24:13 ugh, and there's "GSM 1900" "CDMA 1900" and "WCDMA 1900" Aug 24 18:24:25 att has 3g on 1900 and 850 Aug 24 18:24:40 and the 850 is more prevelant? Aug 24 18:24:53 yes Aug 24 18:24:53 is there a way to tell which frequencies are which parts of the country? Aug 24 18:25:17 sure. set your phone to 1900 and wander around :D Aug 24 18:25:20 summatusmentis: wikipedia suggested this for stuff like that http://www.wirelessadvisor.com/ Aug 24 18:25:26 dwc-: heh Aug 24 18:26:43 I'm not sure that their coverage map differentiates Aug 24 18:27:08 hrm... Sprint operates in the 1900 range? Aug 24 18:27:15 according to that page Aug 24 18:27:22 but so does VZW according tot hat Aug 24 18:27:24 to that* Aug 24 18:27:32 I *think* their prepaid service might be on 1900 but I'm not sure. Aug 24 18:27:50 one way to find out might be to look at the handsets that they sell for prepaid and see what freqs those have Aug 24 18:27:57 and then looka t the prepaid coverage map? Aug 24 18:28:12 but sprint and vzw are using different technology in 1900mhz Aug 24 18:28:16 I'm so frustrated with the US cell market currently Aug 24 18:28:25 (different from at&t, that is) Aug 24 18:28:40 dwc-: that's the part I don't understand actually, how you can use different tech in the same frequency. Blows my mind. Aug 24 18:28:48 GSM vs. CDMA Aug 24 18:29:18 think of a bluetooth radio, a cordless phone, and your 802.11(b/g) wireless network Aug 24 18:29:36 all of those operate in the 2.4ghz bands (in the US anyways) Aug 24 18:29:59 ah, but they listen for different signals and ignore the rest as noise Aug 24 18:30:14 basically Aug 24 18:30:29 i think "basic" is about as much I can process at this point ;) Aug 24 18:30:56 So, not only does the Pre3 need "1900Mhz" it needs it in GSM Aug 24 18:31:03 well, yes Aug 24 18:31:04 correct. which it has. Aug 24 18:31:27 I thought that was obvious? Aug 24 18:31:45 So, according to what I'm seeing, that's T-mobile and ATT "owned" in the US. Aug 24 18:32:08 (Not obvious to me, I've never cared about signal technology in the past) Aug 24 18:32:28 http://kb.hpwebos.com/wps/portal/kb2/na/pre/pre2/unlocked/solutions/article/65931_en.html Aug 24 18:32:53 flare576_work: well, I guess all I meant was I thought it was obvious that you'd need a gsm phone to work on a gsm network Aug 24 18:32:54 oh hey. look at that. a US/canada pre3 on the list Aug 24 18:33:18 yeah, doesn't mean anything Aug 24 18:33:21 and a world phone Aug 24 18:33:31 well, it means more of what we already suspected Aug 24 18:33:48 that the HP website is out of date? Aug 24 18:34:01 summatusmentis: hah Aug 24 18:34:32 well, that basically confirms att pre3 and a cdma pre3 Aug 24 18:34:53 yes Aug 24 18:35:06 or confirms what would have been att pre3 and cdma pre3 Aug 24 18:35:11 UTMS another tech operating on the bands (like GSM/CDMA) or something else entirely? Aug 24 18:35:25 it's pretty much confirmed that the US is never seeing pre3 right? Aug 24 18:36:00 summatusmentis: pretty much... Aug 24 18:36:07 summatusmentis: I've only heard people say that with absolutely no proof or knowledge, just assuming that HP only made enough Pre3's for international launch. Aug 24 18:36:25 I thought there was an HP confirmation Aug 24 18:37:01 oh, poop: http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-20095650-1/hp-to-u.s.-no-pre-3-for-you/ Aug 24 18:37:33 I've heard standing in line at the HP store who could not comment Aug 24 18:37:47 that the pre3 launch would have been "soon" Aug 24 18:38:12 could not confirm that devices were made, "but there are ... more than 4, and less than say, 1 million" Aug 24 18:38:46 $75 for a phone isn't bad... EDGE only in most cases would be unfortunate, though... Aug 24 18:39:08 flare576_work: my pre2 has not seen 3G for more than ~5 minutes, that was spent activating it Aug 24 18:39:21 zhepree was in contact with ATT marketing about getting his Foursquare app featured in the big end cap displays for the Pre3 in ATT stores… Like two days before HP killed off all the hardware Aug 24 18:39:32 So yeah, the Pre3 launch would have been real soon Aug 24 18:39:46 I wonder what they're doing with all that hardware Aug 24 18:39:55 hopefully selling it out of the palm HQ store Aug 24 18:40:01 but I suspect not Aug 24 18:40:03 they should give the cdma ones to sprint and say "sell them for whatever you want", we don't care Aug 24 18:40:08 * dwc- is 2 miles away from the palm HQ store Aug 24 18:40:20 dwc-: here's my address, I'll take one :) Aug 24 18:40:36 I'd be standing there in line repeatedly collecting vouchers Aug 24 18:40:52 ... or filling up my car with them Aug 24 18:41:03 I bet I could find homes for them at firesale prices Aug 24 18:41:17 dwc-: if they're selling them, sign me up when you go Aug 24 18:41:21 and yeah, at 75$ just get one for a mini tablet for sitting on the couch :p Aug 24 18:41:41 my guess is they will die a quiet death :( Aug 24 18:42:05 well, carriers won't want them Aug 24 18:42:15 the only option is to sell them unlocked, presumably Aug 24 18:42:24 do we know when they are going for cheap in the UK? Aug 24 18:42:41 the palm store ran out of veer unlock codes too... so I might have to get someone on AT&T to submit an unlock request for me Aug 24 18:43:04 did XTerm lauched by Xecutah break on 1.4.5 ? Aug 24 18:44:39 sethron: I'm running the latest of both, and they seem to work... Aug 24 18:45:20 it's throwing (20952/25989617) org.webosinternals.xterm(stop) waiting Aug 24 18:47:00 launches cleanly on my Pre- and TP, donno how to help you :( Aug 24 18:47:18 I should update my Xecutah Aug 24 18:48:24 oh, TP's out of date. WOSI are quick like bunnies. Aug 24 18:48:25 v.0.7.7 XTerm v0.8.3 Xecutah ? Aug 24 18:48:45 sethron: yes it did Aug 24 18:49:24 you can still run it by runing the xecutah.sh in the xterm location untill it gets fixed Aug 24 18:49:37 by using another terminal app Aug 24 18:50:11 elpollodiablo1: or Terminal :-| Aug 24 18:52:50 hrm, after update to most recent, TP can't launch XServer, and Pre- CAN launch Xserver, but not XTerm Aug 24 18:53:15 flare576_work: hrm Aug 24 18:54:31 TP does nothing (no error, no new card, nothing) when "Start XServer" is tapped. Pre- gets an error I can't read all of Aug 24 18:55:04 (when XTerm is clicked. Pre- successfully launches XServer) Aug 24 18:58:33 sampson: youtube? :) Aug 24 19:00:07 hey guys, got a patch question (is it possible to...) Aug 24 19:00:18 then ask it Aug 24 19:00:22 is it possible to make a patch that disables the volume down button? Aug 24 19:00:29 for a TP Aug 24 19:00:53 maybe? Aug 24 19:01:23 my TP came with the volume down button broke, it's constantly pressed down Aug 24 19:01:39 bad part about returning it for a new one, is i may not get a new one... Aug 24 19:01:57 yeah Aug 24 19:01:59 HP still has to stand by it's manufacturer's warranty, I think Aug 24 19:02:03 i dont know, never looked at that stuff Aug 24 19:02:04 it does Aug 24 19:02:14 however, they say i should return it Aug 24 19:02:16 yes, it does and will Aug 24 19:02:34 so i may send it straight to HP Aug 24 19:02:39 you reply "I tried, but the store didn't have a replacement" Aug 24 19:02:42 but i'll get a refurb back Aug 24 19:02:48 what's wrong with that? Aug 24 19:02:54 nothing realy Aug 24 19:03:08 better than a broken one;) Aug 24 19:03:19 just currious if i could work around it short term with a patch until all this insanity dies down a little Aug 24 19:03:20 at least at the company I work for, the refurbs are more reliable than new ones; we test every single one we ship. Aug 24 19:04:15 and THAT's how I got HP to send me a check for 1 Billion dollars. Aug 24 19:04:21 hi Adora! Aug 24 19:05:20 I already sent mine back, because it's casing was cracked, and the refurb they sent me had it's casing crack too Aug 24 19:05:32 I may contact HP again Aug 24 19:05:38 summatusmentis: that sucks :( Aug 24 19:23:49 That sucks... Aug 24 19:24:38 Me and my buddy buy one each...him a 16 me a 32....I buy 2 more 16's for him from onSale...he gives his first 16 to his niece from France...onSale order gets cancelled.... Aug 24 19:24:43 that. sucks. hard. Aug 24 19:24:52 can someone tell me a bit more about webos/hp touchpad, do i need chroot to use another linux? Aug 24 19:25:13 RavenII: indeed it does Aug 24 19:25:15 sx, what is the question? Aug 24 19:25:29 if he needs to chroot to run another linux... Aug 24 19:25:49 scoutcamper: i want to install another os/linux, i have novaterm running and being connected Aug 24 19:25:51 sx: Yes, that's the case currently Aug 24 19:26:01 what rrix said Aug 24 19:26:15 There are directions on setting one up on the WOSI wiki Aug 24 19:26:20 * rrix opens a browser Aug 24 19:26:30 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/UbuntuChroot < Aug 24 19:26:40 rrix: thank you Aug 24 19:26:55 np Aug 24 19:26:57 flare you still here? Aug 24 19:27:17 wait, I could run rinux on this thing!??1? Aug 24 19:27:32 (I hope no one answers) Aug 24 19:27:40 RavenII: it already runs linux Aug 24 19:28:33 rrix: ....I was kidding, but I understand why you answered. Aug 24 19:28:46 :) Aug 24 19:28:52 Sarcasm, it doesn't work on the internet ;) Aug 24 19:29:16 rrix, i disagree, tags work wonderfully Aug 24 19:29:18 There's a sarcasm...character that they were trying to develop....never really caught on. Aug 24 19:29:38 scoutcamper: Right and there wasn't any tags :) Aug 24 19:29:48 lol sarcasm character Aug 24 19:29:48 http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/45281 Aug 24 19:30:01 http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/45281 Aug 24 19:30:06 interrobang Aug 24 19:30:07 oh, ok...I thought mac__ was a bot Aug 24 19:30:08 haha Aug 24 19:30:53 rrix: is there a more detailed description of the device? Aug 24 19:31:17 sx: Sure, what did you want to know in particular? Aug 24 19:31:39 how partitions are organized for example Aug 24 19:31:47 but just to give me a quick overview Aug 24 19:32:04 hmmm Aug 24 19:32:11 Why *dont* we have stuff like that Aug 24 19:32:12 i don't like following guides without knowing what i am doing Aug 24 19:32:27 * rrix should do that ... Aug 24 19:32:49 sx: open novaterm, type "lvm.static lvdisplay", there, your partition info Aug 24 19:33:09 thx Aug 24 19:33:18 statically linked? oof Aug 24 19:33:58 im not a bot Aug 24 19:34:21 rrix: It has to work even with no filesystems mounted Aug 24 19:34:43 This is true Aug 24 19:34:49 but still :0 Aug 24 19:35:28 Sup dawgs Aug 24 19:36:52 Question...can you metadoc a touchpad doctor?.... Aug 24 19:37:13 in theory, yeah Aug 24 19:37:40 For instance if I wanted to ...create a EXT3 fs.... Aug 24 19:37:53 oh oh, not in theory Aug 24 19:38:01 Hahaha Aug 24 19:38:02 you have to use metadoc for the ubuntu chroot stuff Aug 24 19:38:16 i'm not sure how that works Aug 24 19:38:31 You don't *have* to Aug 24 19:38:33 It's nice when stuff moves from "in theory" to "in practice"....that fast Aug 24 19:38:41 * rrix loopmounts an image Aug 24 19:38:41 rrix: ? alternate route? Aug 24 19:38:53 it's laid out on [[UbuntuChroot]] linked above Aug 24 19:38:54 rrix: ok, fine Aug 24 19:38:58 it's recommended? Aug 24 19:39:00 Right...no idea what that means... Aug 24 19:39:09 * NuttyBunny just resized media and created an ext3fs partition Aug 24 19:39:32 not "just", but "simply" (did it 4 days ago) Aug 24 19:40:04 * rrix has been quite ok with the loopmount, even though people seem to think it's less performant Aug 24 19:40:05 So you get a full blown Ubuntu tablet.... Aug 24 19:40:14 MAN I wanna get my hands on 2 more now. Aug 24 19:40:26 as soon as I have my Pre3, I'd probably give away my Pre- to webos-internals devs for free... are you interested in it or is a Pre- too outdated to be useful? Aug 24 19:40:47 I'm 90% sure that all webos-internals devs have a pre- Aug 24 19:40:57 * rrix wonders when fedex will show up today, I want another tablet to play with ;P Aug 24 19:41:20 ok, was just wondering whether it could be useful for spare parts etc. Aug 24 19:41:36 oh, maybe Aug 24 19:43:05 I'll just send a mail to the mailinglist when my Pre3 is there and my Pre- isn't needed anymore... that's probably the best way to reach the devs who could eventually have a use for it Aug 24 19:43:38 Is it a sprint pre-? Aug 24 19:44:06 unlocked GSM Pre- Aug 24 19:44:09 There's a mailing list? Aug 24 19:44:13 Lame lol Aug 24 19:44:14 I thought everything happened on irc Aug 24 19:44:22 oh, there is none? i just assumed there was one ;) Aug 24 19:44:26 I need a sprint pre- for the comm board Aug 24 19:44:47 summatusmentis: not me....I have me a Pre+! Aug 24 19:45:19 Abyssul-Pre: I've got a dead one, I'll trade you a Pre2 for it :) Aug 24 19:45:30 Ha... Aug 24 19:45:46 i need to find a cheap bad esn pre2 so i can move my plusses minus to a 2 Aug 24 19:46:01 grandebob: me too Aug 24 19:46:09 I have a pre2 coming in acting as a backup for my current pre2 in case it breaks Aug 24 19:46:17 that sentence almost made sense... Aug 24 19:47:45 My Pre2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjO-vy3eDk4 Aug 24 19:48:48 mac__: if you would have used my full name, I woulda heard the beep :) Aug 24 19:49:08 oh my bad Aug 24 19:49:15 what's up? Aug 24 19:49:28 just wanted to say thanks Aug 24 19:49:35 oh, no problem man! Aug 24 19:50:04 when i started lookin at my phone the guy at sprint had really screwed my phone up Aug 24 19:50:43 but i went thru ad did what u said and now it works Aug 24 19:50:51 hey, awesome! Aug 24 19:50:53 tomorrow ill go back and make them replace it :) Aug 24 19:51:27 why replace it if it works? Is it still having the data problem? Aug 24 19:52:10 yeah Aug 24 19:52:19 and the mic connector is mesed up Aug 24 19:52:39 oh, I had the mic problem before :( faulty soldering job on the headphone jack? Aug 24 19:52:50 probably Aug 24 19:53:04 i never looked at it before Aug 24 19:53:08 just know it doesnt work Aug 24 19:54:29 if you put in a headphone jack and wiggle it a little, does the sound crackle? Aug 24 19:54:36 yes sir Aug 24 19:55:27 same here; had to swap the unit 'cause there was no way they were fixing that issue in-store. Aug 24 19:55:28 silly question, but I'm trying to set up an ubuntu chroot for WIDK, but debootstrap didn't populate apt's sources.list, can I have someone's to replicate? Aug 24 19:56:07 yeah that is what i figured would happen, but they hit me up with the rooted bs Aug 24 19:56:28 woot, I just got touchpad #2 Aug 24 19:57:08 where from? Aug 24 19:57:11 rrix: grats, and as for the file, I can't help, but I don't remember having any problems with stuff when I was metadoctoring my TP with the ext3fs Aug 24 19:58:01 I'm trying to set up a chroot on my desktop, not the tablet Aug 24 19:58:20 i cant get one and you got two? ??? Aug 24 19:58:23 rrix: oh.... then I will be less than helpful :( Aug 24 19:58:48 mac__: distributors aren't equal, which means distribution isn't equal Aug 24 19:58:55 mac__: I got one before the firesale, and then called HP the second we found out they had them available via call Aug 24 19:59:25 call hp and they got the,? Aug 24 19:59:38 I ordered two via Amazon and four Pre2's via HP SMB Aug 24 19:59:52 Abyssul-Pre: wait, 4? Aug 24 20:00:00 jeez Aug 24 20:00:01 Indeed Aug 24 20:00:03 mac__: HP sales had them available for 100$ via phone before they changed the prices online Aug 24 20:00:06 srsly, I'll buy one off you Aug 24 20:00:23 I bought for 50 each Aug 24 20:00:38 I still have my dev coupon for the Pre2 too lol Aug 24 20:00:59 I mean, does HP SMB still have them in stock? I doubt it Aug 24 20:01:06 nop :( Aug 24 20:01:24 Nope, we had a huge buying time here in the forums when I found out Aug 24 20:01:35 I mean chat, not forums. Aug 24 20:01:39 right Aug 24 20:02:07 Abyssul-Pre: can I pm you? Aug 24 20:02:14 ahh, was missing the Universe repository, there we go :3 Aug 24 20:02:16 2 go towards backups for me and my girl. The other two might be for my siblings. If they dont want them, I'm selling then. Aug 24 20:02:21 summatusmentis: sure Aug 24 20:02:34 oh, you have plans for them Aug 24 20:02:40 ok, then pm is moot Aug 24 20:02:44 Lol Aug 24 20:02:48 but if your sibs don't want them, dibs Aug 24 20:02:52 on 1 Aug 24 20:02:54 I'm still curious though Aug 24 20:02:58 Oh ok lol Aug 24 20:03:13 I'm just running a pre- on sprint, and I'm looking for a pre2 to sprintify Aug 24 20:03:30 I was in the same situation Aug 24 20:03:48 Then a free pre2 came in the mail from Palm lol :p Aug 24 20:03:58 yeah, I never got one of those Aug 24 20:04:02 tried a couple of times Aug 24 20:04:14 they'd ask for my info, then never respond again Aug 24 20:04:21 I'll probably end up selling them but I gotta get them in my hands first, but you have first dibs Aug 24 20:04:35 They didnt respond after I gave my info either Aug 24 20:04:42 Which was in early may Aug 24 20:05:04 Then in late july I got a random package with a pre2 in it... Aug 24 20:06:02 nice Aug 24 20:07:08 i hope 49 pre2 come back in stock .. incase mine breaks Aug 24 20:07:24 I heard they upped the price to 100 Aug 24 20:07:34 pricks Aug 24 20:08:27 If the Pre2 forums have any pull, thats what I read. I didnt go into detail. Aug 24 20:08:52 You should browse there though. How else do you find out about awesome deals on the Pre2? :p Aug 24 20:09:19 it is 99 with no epp coupon now :( Aug 24 20:09:41 same with veer Aug 24 20:09:44 I didnt use any coupon and I'm curious what that 30 rebate is talking about Aug 24 20:09:58 At least shipping is free Aug 24 20:10:16 30 rebate was save30hp Aug 24 20:10:24 or save 15hp Aug 24 20:10:25 dumb question- turning a Pre2 into a Sprint Pre2 means I can't use Sprint Navigation, right? or did I read incorrectly? Aug 24 20:10:37 there is a way to get it to work Aug 24 20:10:41 flare576_work: you can get it working Aug 24 20:10:41 i have it Aug 24 20:10:55 It requires some linux commands but easy to pull off Aug 24 20:11:01 hmm, then I need to start watching for a $50 deal on a Pre2 then ;) Aug 24 20:11:17 i bought mine for $200 of craigslist last month Aug 24 20:11:19 And also have to get your hands on the leaked 2.0.1 sprnt build. Aug 24 20:11:32 i heard that we should expect some new hardware in 60 to 90 days Aug 24 20:11:34 one thing at a time, Abyssul-Pre ;) Aug 24 20:11:34 people use sprint navigation? Aug 24 20:11:43 mac__: who'd you hear that from? Aug 24 20:11:45 yeah it works good Aug 24 20:11:46 summatusmentis: frequently Aug 24 20:11:58 i guy i work with that talked to a hp rep Aug 24 20:12:00 I don't think I've ever opened that app Aug 24 20:12:07 and its free not 10 bucks a month Aug 24 20:12:19 you will if you ever get lost Aug 24 20:12:25 60 to 90 days? Ppffftttt Aug 24 20:12:27 mac__: hrm... I'vee believe it if I see it Aug 24 20:12:32 I use it anytime I drive somewhere that isn't work/home ;) Aug 24 20:12:34 ziplock503: I get lost Aug 24 20:12:40 google maps usually gets me where I need to go Aug 24 20:12:46 theres ya problem Aug 24 20:12:50 i kinda feel the same about it Aug 24 20:12:56 hate google maps Aug 24 20:13:01 summatusmentis: turn-by-trun is god Aug 24 20:13:05 Sprint navi is free and works amazingly. Google maps sucks and navit is raw and hard to use. Aug 24 20:13:08 meh Aug 24 20:13:16 I can see the benefit of turn by turn Aug 24 20:13:23 I just don't generally have a use for it Aug 24 20:13:34 and if you go off track you get to re-route on the fly Aug 24 20:13:37 mac__: I might expect NEWS about new hardware in 60-90 days, but I've lost hope for a new device in that time. Aug 24 20:14:06 im thinking that is a more probable situation Aug 24 20:14:09 at this point, I'm expecting no new devices Aug 24 20:14:15 but like I said, I'll believe it when I see it Aug 24 20:14:48 summatusmentis: if we don't have news on a new device in that time period, I don't see how HP can stand behind "we're still forging ahead with WebOS software!" Aug 24 20:14:54 i think htc or samsung will start making webos now Aug 24 20:15:06 i hope so Aug 24 20:15:09 just the hardware Aug 24 20:15:38 heh, "Nokia WebOS!" Aug 24 20:15:38 yeah Aug 24 20:16:07 i doubt nokia Aug 24 20:16:24 nah, they just got in bed with Microsquishy Aug 24 20:16:41 im on hold with onSale and i can hear them talking to people and i still hear the elevator music LOL there phones must be slammed Aug 24 20:16:44 HP is so incompetient that id rather have anyone code WebOS than them. Aug 24 20:16:59 htc Aug 24 20:17:10 Abyssul-Pre: s/incompetent/unfocussed Aug 24 20:17:12 guys...enough HP bashing please? Aug 24 20:17:14 Abyssul-Pre: It isn't really HP coding WebOS, they just ate the (smart) palm guys. Aug 24 20:17:20 The real issue is HP's upper management Aug 24 20:17:46 stock holders Aug 24 20:17:47 ka6sox: Yea, this isn't really the right channel for that. =P Aug 24 20:17:49 ka6sox-away: Cerealklr|Asleep I agree, it's not a matter of competency, it's a matter of focus; they're not a phone company Aug 24 20:19:13 in any case, I really hope to hear some solid device news soon. Yay or nay, just so I can move on and get a new carrier Aug 24 20:19:29 Hi all Aug 24 20:19:35 * flare576_work waves at RichT23_ Aug 24 20:20:17 dont spose any one knows how to get the Pixi to be detected as a USB serial dice in Linux do they Aug 24 20:20:31 i have enables the passthrough mode from the phone Aug 24 20:20:36 agree with flare57_work Aug 24 20:20:43 but ubuntu isnt issing it as a device Aug 24 20:21:15 RichT23_, not as serial...thats not a mode for is Aug 24 20:21:21 s/is/it/ Aug 24 20:21:21 ka6sox-away meant: RichT23_, not as serial...thats not a mode for it Aug 24 20:21:45 usb flash drive, usb network, novacom Aug 24 20:22:13 humm Aug 24 20:22:54 so what does putting USB port 1 in Diag mode do then? Aug 24 20:23:32 (isnt asking this question for doggy reasons honist) Aug 24 20:24:16 Palm repair center have buggered up the imei number on my phone! Aug 24 20:24:38 ... f***ing HP support chat just dropped me ~_~ Aug 24 20:24:58 i have been trying to unlock it from o2 but o2 keep saying the imei number does not exist Aug 24 20:25:40 and then Palm say use the original imei humber from before we repaired your phone Aug 24 20:26:10 and weel i have been going round for weeks now trying to get one of them to help Aug 24 20:26:42 Palm says i can sent it back to them again! but i kind of need my phone =) Aug 24 20:27:04 so i have found a homebru unlocker Aug 24 20:27:28 but its all windows based and im anoying and want it to work in linux ;) Aug 24 20:27:40 where are you getting the imei from? Aug 24 20:28:30 I first got it from the sticker under the battery Aug 24 20:28:44 device info app is the same one? Aug 24 20:28:50 and then from the #* something humber Aug 24 20:28:59 no =( Aug 24 20:29:21 the phone is programed with the same number but with 4 extra digits Aug 24 20:29:39 weird Aug 24 20:29:45 YA! Aug 24 20:30:26 also strnge that my original number changed when palm fixed the screen! Aug 24 20:30:45 that's not strange... Aug 24 20:30:53 no? Aug 24 20:31:09 thorght the number was on the TX chip? Aug 24 20:31:16 a lot of places "fix" things by replacing with a refurb Aug 24 20:31:22 hehe Aug 24 20:31:32 oki ya i can blieave that Aug 24 20:31:42 i fixed my volume rocker button issue by wedging a post it not between the glass and the case Aug 24 20:31:48 it also came back with a dent in the screen Aug 24 20:31:49 ^note Aug 24 20:33:26 Sorry for ranting Aug 24 20:33:48 can you tell i am getting frustrated Aug 24 20:33:58 we're used to ranting here Aug 24 20:33:58 i must be an adict though Aug 24 20:34:02 especially as of late Aug 24 20:34:09 as im looking to get a veer Aug 24 20:34:13 is this a good thing? Aug 24 20:34:26 also a Pre3 Aug 24 20:34:29 hehe Aug 24 20:34:57 you lucky UK people and your pre3s... grr Aug 24 20:35:00 I have the veer and pre2, carry the veer, works great with the touchpad Aug 24 20:35:11 i wanted a TP too but no way am i paying the 400+ GBP for it thay are asking Aug 24 20:35:27 now that I have a TP I kinda want a veer Aug 24 20:35:37 but no veer on Vzw :( Aug 24 20:35:39 veers are just so sexy Aug 24 20:35:46 yea, tiny phone and touchpad kind of works Aug 24 20:36:05 especially since I have to carry another phone for work = 2 phones in the pocket Aug 24 20:36:21 ... why is minidhcpd using 100% of cpu on my phone >.< Aug 24 20:36:30 That explains the battery life i've had over hte last two days Aug 24 20:36:35 who would of thorght when i got my III all that time ago it would lead to such a joyfull adiction Aug 24 20:36:50 surprisingly, I really like the veer, build quality is excellent and the keyboard is really good Aug 24 20:37:19 * RichT23_ is lookign to order a Veer from the USA Aug 24 20:37:42 have seen them on that ebay Aug 24 20:37:57 they are locked to at&t, if I'm not mistaken Aug 24 20:38:05 thats right Aug 24 20:38:16 but come with unlock codes aparent;y Aug 24 20:38:52 interesting Aug 24 20:39:16 the palm hq store ran out of unlock codes Aug 24 20:39:30 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/150651326759 Aug 24 20:39:36 hey rich Aug 24 20:39:39 buy a pre3 Aug 24 20:39:44 I'll trade you a veer for it Aug 24 20:39:50 :) Aug 24 20:40:01 lol dwc- =) Aug 24 20:40:13 * dwc- has an extra veer Aug 24 20:40:15 if they were cheep i so would Aug 24 20:40:17 RichT23_, he's probably serious Aug 24 20:40:43 Pre3s are also 300+ GBP Aug 24 20:40:59 weren't they down to 75 something? Aug 24 20:41:20 I know they were up at ~300 GBP with VAT Aug 24 20:41:30 but if they price drop Aug 24 20:42:10 oh ebay have one for 250 Aug 24 20:43:09 RagingMind: maybe with a contract =) Aug 24 20:44:26 my CDW account rep just told me they are expecting another 4k units in by the end of the week Aug 24 20:44:54 i've got an early place on the wait list, so i stand a good chance of getting the two i have on backorder :) Aug 24 20:45:56 grandebob: what are you trying to get? Aug 24 20:46:08 16 gb touchpads Aug 24 20:46:18 did webos-internals get enough of them? I'de be willing to donate one if they didn't Aug 24 20:46:27 TP's are on firesale in the UK now. Aug 24 20:46:47 Abyssul-Pre: are they where? Aug 24 20:46:50 * dwc- wants firesale pre3s that will ship to the US! Aug 24 20:47:02 PC reported it yesterday or two days go Aug 24 20:47:05 Abyssul-Pre, hopefully it's less of a cluster F then the US sale was/is Aug 24 20:49:02 when i click the TP link on the palm uk site it takes me to some laptop site =( Aug 24 20:49:14 its been doing that all day Aug 24 20:51:44 Talking to the HP customer support chat feels like I'm talking to HAL Aug 24 20:52:53 Palm customer support are awesome however. Aug 24 20:53:46 They are. Aug 24 20:54:06 I mean, this isn't *bad* it's just disjointed and lacks emotion while trying to feign emotion :) Aug 24 20:54:32 "Oh, no. I am sorry to know that" ... Aug 24 20:57:47 quick one.. if I can interrupt Aug 24 20:58:00 Install an ipk file that was downloaded from the net? Aug 24 20:58:38 where'd you get it? Aug 24 20:58:50 Dam Argos had 16G TPS fopr 90 GBP Aug 24 20:59:08 just did a search for it.. I have a touchpad that is rooted with Preware Aug 24 20:59:29 the X server runs very slowly. Is this a hardware limitation Aug 24 20:59:41 On the touchpad that is Aug 24 21:00:29 wow and they say Pre3 for 50 Aug 24 21:00:33 * rrix sighs at having to pullin VirtualBox for WIDK installation now Aug 24 21:02:23 RichT23_: 89 GBP on their website Aug 24 21:02:33 oh, that's what you said Aug 24 21:02:34 nevermind! Aug 24 21:04:13 djhomeboy: whats the question? Aug 24 21:04:34 he has this IPK file he downloaded from the internet. Aug 24 21:04:46 He wants to install it. Aug 24 21:05:00 Just use WOSQI or email the ipk to your phone and use preware to install Aug 24 21:05:29 djhomeboy, we don't ROOT our devices...they come that way... Preware is a cataloger and installer app. Aug 24 21:05:34 My bad, device, not phone. Aug 24 21:06:29 djhomeboy, you can use Preware to install any random ipk from the net you want Aug 24 21:06:36 from main menu Aug 24 21:06:41 upper left menu Aug 24 21:06:44 install ipkg Aug 24 21:06:48 and then go find it. Aug 24 21:06:59 using the filepicker Aug 24 21:07:10 now I don't recommend this unless you trust this source. Aug 24 21:08:18 using WebOS quick install or is there a preware app Aug 24 21:08:47 sorry for using the word root.. its in dev mode ;) Aug 24 21:09:11 dwc-: ya they have no stock though! Aug 24 21:09:26 WHY oh WHY didnt i see this yesterday Aug 24 21:09:29 preware is an app.... Aug 24 21:09:36 ya I have preware Aug 24 21:09:45 RichT23_: :( poor you Aug 24 21:09:49 i was looking on monday too for prices Aug 24 21:09:50 then use the proceedure I just said. Aug 24 21:09:58 but didnt see anything good Aug 24 21:10:08 well, the landing page still has the old prices Aug 24 21:10:12 so I imagine the price drop was recent Aug 24 21:10:15 RichT23_: follow the Slickdeals thread. Search for UK Aug 24 21:10:24 how do you get the keyboard to show up on xterm on 3.0.2? Aug 24 21:10:30 install package ;) perfect ty Aug 24 21:10:35 it runs fine Aug 24 21:10:57 djhomeboy, you realize if this hozes your device you are on your own.... Aug 24 21:11:04 "we" didn't do it. Aug 24 21:11:58 if so.. webos dr ;) Aug 24 21:11:59 I don't recommend downloading random ipks from the net and installing the. Aug 24 21:12:06 correct... Aug 24 21:12:20 but... I got it from this trusty warez site! .... Aug 24 21:12:25 lol Aug 24 21:12:36 jrabbit: use tweaks to set keyboard to the size you want? Aug 24 21:12:40 well well, it appears B of A is sitting on the money that I need to eat this week >.< Aug 24 21:12:41 should default to 'xs', however.. Aug 24 21:12:52 dtzWill: I don't even have one :| Aug 24 21:12:57 dtzWill: what tweaks? :) Aug 24 21:13:18 jrabbit: preware, install 'tewaks' :) Aug 24 21:13:58 'tweaks' :P Aug 24 21:14:00 dtzWill: and I'll be able to get a keyboard in xterm? :\ Aug 24 21:14:09 rrix, :D Aug 24 21:14:17 * rrix goes to make tewaks Aug 24 21:14:39 ... why is grub trying to install itself in a chroot I set up? Aug 24 21:14:55 also why is installing VirtualBox pulling in kdebase-runtime? Aug 24 21:15:01 idiotic thing Aug 24 21:15:04 I hate apt Aug 24 21:15:07 rrix: lol Aug 24 21:15:19 I don't need a kde i have a kde Aug 24 21:15:20 jrabbit: honestly you should have it already Aug 24 21:15:24 do you have a bt keyboard attached? Aug 24 21:15:30 nope Aug 24 21:15:36 o_O Aug 24 21:15:42 well tweaks changed the color Aug 24 21:15:43 well that's unfortunate. Aug 24 21:15:48 I mgiht have dev mode still one Aug 24 21:15:50 *on Aug 24 21:15:54 should I turn it off? Aug 24 21:15:55 jrabbit: tweaks also should have a tweak for the keyboard Aug 24 21:16:03 if it's set to 'off' then you won't havea keyboard, but should default to 'xs' Aug 24 21:16:18 it defaulted to xs and I don't have one :D Aug 24 21:16:42 o.O Aug 24 21:17:41 I start xserver, hit the home button open xterm from xcheat/whatever Aug 24 21:17:47 and bam nothing Aug 24 21:18:18 jrabbit: if you just run the xserver do you have a keyboard? Aug 24 21:18:24 nope Aug 24 21:18:25 xterm shouldn't really be related Aug 24 21:18:26 kk Aug 24 21:18:33 ah ok Aug 24 21:18:48 hrm Aug 24 21:18:49 yeah I just get the x cursor and the line background Aug 24 21:18:49 dtzWill: I got lxde working :) Aug 24 21:19:09 Abyssul-Pre: which thread is this Aug 24 21:19:19 i just went looking Aug 24 21:19:27 rabbits: did you try and install a window manager? Aug 24 21:19:33 PatrickC_TP: startlxde? Aug 24 21:19:46 jrabbit: understood. window manager won't help--if keyboard doesn't show there's an issue. Aug 24 21:19:52 jrabbit: and you're on 3.0.2, not 3.0.0??? Aug 24 21:19:58 yeah Aug 24 21:20:08 dtzWill: yep. that works and got it to install, without breaking the kb :) Aug 24 21:20:08 I installed xserver before I updated to 3.0.2 Aug 24 21:20:11 if that matters Aug 24 21:20:25 PatrickC_TP: kb is not as frail as recent reports seem to suggest -.- Aug 24 21:20:28 oh wait no Aug 24 21:20:32 I'm not upgraded! Aug 24 21:20:49 PatrickC_TP: lxde should work, and should alwyas ahve worked, including keyboard goodness, i'm nots ure what you mean :( Aug 24 21:20:55 dtzWill: after my recent experiences, when it broke mine and my dads touchpads Aug 24 21:20:57 Go to slickdeal.net forums and its the top thread in hot deals section RichT23_ Aug 24 21:21:00 I thoiught I downloaded it and rebooted and everything Aug 24 21:21:03 >_> Aug 24 21:21:12 dtzWill: last night lxde broke my dads kb Aug 24 21:21:16 jrabbit: haha well that's it then ^.^ Aug 24 21:21:18 had to do the remove/etc. thing Aug 24 21:21:25 PatrickC_TP: broke his kb? had to do what remove/etc thing? Aug 24 21:21:37 like I did last night Aug 24 21:21:39 its downloading... again :( Aug 24 21:21:43 made he vkb no longer show upu Aug 24 21:21:46 up* Aug 24 21:21:48 what does it mean to break the kb Aug 24 21:21:53 RichT23_: The thread is mainly american links, but just browse it occasionally or use the search to find any news on UK resellers Aug 24 21:21:53 oh Aug 24 21:21:54 i see. Aug 24 21:22:30 dtzWill: what do i dow after it's downloaded the update? Aug 24 21:22:34 PatrickC_TP: strange. i really don't see how that could possibly be related to lxde or anythign you run in X Aug 24 21:22:38 jrabbit: just run it :) Aug 24 21:22:51 if you want a keyboard larger than xs, set it with tweaks so X'll leave room for the specified size keyboard Aug 24 21:23:04 Abyssul-Pre: thats for the hint Aug 24 21:23:06 dtzWill: nice! Aug 24 21:23:18 bbl Aug 24 21:23:35 The HP uk shop site says None for now check on Friday... Aug 24 21:23:44 I don't wnat voer the next few days webos, I need a "I want it now" button Aug 24 21:23:45 Forget xterm kb, we need a thumb kb for the native OS. Aug 24 21:24:04 if they do pre3's for 50 i will get two Aug 24 21:24:09 and the touch pad Aug 24 21:24:33 RichT23_, which UK shoppe? Aug 24 21:24:36 Too bad Pre3 cant be modded onto Pre Aug 24 21:24:40 use the pre to try get a veer Aug 24 21:24:43 RichT23_: if they do pre3s for 50, can I interest you in a swap for a veer Aug 24 21:24:47 Sprint, not Pre Aug 24 21:25:04 ka6sox: the HP europ shop Aug 24 21:25:05 I'm willing to make up the gbp/usd difference Aug 24 21:25:16 RichT23_, url? Aug 24 21:25:26 pre3 such a mythical device Aug 24 21:25:27 dwc-: ill see if i can get emm first Aug 24 21:25:37 Conversion is .56 gbp to 1 dollar Aug 24 21:25:54 ka6sox: http://eurostore.palm.com Aug 24 21:26:03 got it. Aug 24 21:26:19 hp.co.uk's 'smartphones' link redirects to laptops Aug 24 21:26:34 well dwc- if i can get a Veer for 50 ill be happy Aug 24 21:26:45 dwc-: ya its been doing that for a few days Aug 24 21:26:54 yea, I checked over the weekend Aug 24 21:27:39 now i need to pee but the cat is crashed out one me Aug 24 21:27:48 /one/on/ Aug 24 21:27:55 Sorry, No stock will be available for order for the remainder of this week Next Update: Fri 26th 10am. Aug 24 21:28:05 does a franken pre 2 on sprint get ota updates? Aug 24 21:28:14 dwc-: ya =( Aug 24 21:28:32 or do you have to redoctor? Aug 24 21:28:40 new preware is 99cents? any way to pay for that with paypal and not cc? Aug 24 21:28:48 dwc-: also if you do manage to order one and need a UK address to get it delivered to ;) Aug 24 21:29:25 autoprime, u mean from the catalog? read the description Aug 24 21:29:31 I'm more than happy to send it for you to enjoy? Aug 24 21:29:54 hehe ;) Aug 24 21:30:01 i so would not keep it Aug 24 21:30:06 hehe Aug 24 21:30:12 honist ;) Aug 24 21:31:08 scoutcamper.. says proceeds go to go to development etc etc. what am i missing? Aug 24 21:32:00 timmy321: I'm not sure. Aug 24 21:32:01 which testing feed do i need for the hp touchpad? (http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Testing_Feeds) Aug 24 21:32:02 autoprime, its not a new preware, its a documentation app about preware, and proceeds go to rwhitby, who im sure would accept a paypal donation Aug 24 21:32:17 ok Aug 24 21:32:34 ahh i see. der Aug 24 21:32:42 but ya i shall donate via paypal :) Aug 24 21:32:55 you would prob have to doctor cuz otas go through carriers? Aug 24 21:33:21 Timmy321, best bet would be to doctor regardless. Not a big deal with save/restore and palm profile Aug 24 21:33:29 yeah Aug 24 21:34:14 timmy321: If I recall, Metadoctor overrides the carrier to RoW so you would follow the update rules of unlocked devices. Aug 24 21:34:27 ok Aug 24 21:34:59 I got a 2.1 update notification (even though I already had it) for my Pre2 sprint. It didnt affect anything although it did delete my sprint apps and add a sim toolkit Aug 24 21:36:12 hey Aug 24 21:36:26 i guess the scripts would be updated? Aug 24 21:36:48 Once I install Synergy, apt-get install synergy, on my touchpad, what do I need to install on my Mac to connect? Aug 24 21:37:16 ... you use synergy... Aug 24 21:37:19 I'm sure when the 2.2 doctor is released, we can update then. Aug 24 21:37:27 just use the ports version? Aug 24 21:37:30 ok Aug 24 21:37:42 Cyclic: theres like 4 different osx verisons Aug 24 21:38:14 ah Aug 24 21:39:00 how do I configure it on the TP? Aug 24 21:39:12 or should my mac be the server? Aug 24 21:39:19 ...yes Aug 24 21:39:34 if you install it its very obvious Aug 24 21:39:38 theres only liek two settings Aug 24 21:40:13 it says error, no configuration available Aug 24 21:40:35 oh oops Aug 24 21:40:36 :P Aug 24 21:41:14 sup all? Aug 24 21:41:40 hows everything? Aug 24 21:42:52 do I need to be in the GUI like LXDE before I can configure or connect synergy? Aug 24 21:50:22 this keyboard needs a ctrl key Aug 24 21:50:33 lmao agreed Aug 24 21:50:57 Cyclic, blame dtzWill for the lack of ctrl key Aug 24 21:51:01 lol Aug 24 21:51:04 jk dtzWill Aug 24 21:51:10 any idea how to launch gnome-terminal from inside lxde? Aug 24 21:51:47 or any terminal Aug 24 21:51:52 are you guys using lxde? Aug 24 21:52:07 E17 FTW Aug 24 21:52:29 scoutcamper e17 runs OK on touchpad? Aug 24 21:52:39 runs great Aug 24 21:53:19 nothing bombs? Aug 24 21:53:32 ooh a calculator Aug 24 21:54:07 nothing bombs that i use Aug 24 21:54:15 dtzWill: works :) Aug 24 21:54:38 scoutcamper: does that mean there's still no answer for ctrl/esc? Aug 24 21:54:40 ok I ran synergyc on my TP... now what? Aug 24 21:54:56 whats the suffix for apt-get to automatically download and install packages rather than saying "continue[Y/n]?" Aug 24 21:55:01 jrabbit: \o/ Aug 24 21:55:02 -y Aug 24 21:55:07 dtzWill: err nope I get a keyboard but it doesn't type what i click Aug 24 21:55:12 tyvm Aug 24 21:55:13 i.e. the keycodes are muddled Aug 24 21:55:19 or you could go the old school way Aug 24 21:55:23 yes | apt-get Aug 24 21:55:25 jrabbit: http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/240926-x-server-pre-19.html#post3096900 Aug 24 21:55:32 summatusmentis, thats dtzWill's department Aug 24 21:55:37 lmao nah. -y works. lol Aug 24 21:55:39 Cyclic: can you not just run 'gnome-terminal'? Aug 24 21:55:42 dtzWill: PATIENCE? :< Aug 24 21:55:47 (assuming you've apt-get'd it in?) Aug 24 21:55:59 dtzWill: make the keyboard do what I need it to Aug 24 21:56:08 summatusmentis: still no answer, but mostly b/c i'm busy :/. generating the key events is easy Aug 24 21:56:13 worked like a charm Aug 24 21:56:14 preware runs on apt? Aug 24 21:56:16 summatusmentis, to quote ka6sox "patience grasshopper ..." Aug 24 21:56:17 :-) Aug 24 21:56:21 figuring out what should generate what events in a usable manner..is another. Aug 24 21:56:36 jrabbit: ubuntu does :-) Aug 24 21:56:41 oh :P Aug 24 21:56:51 thats wh yI was suprised Aug 24 21:56:56 scoutcamper: :-D I want to be able to use my TP in useful ways, but that means I need ctrl, alt, and esc Aug 24 21:57:00 dtzWill: I vote gestures Aug 24 21:57:11 "voting" isn't how we do this. Aug 24 21:57:23 I get that Aug 24 21:57:25 you decide you want it...you do it...then you share it. Aug 24 21:57:36 may I suggest bribery Aug 24 21:57:36 summatusmentis: how would gestures work? Aug 24 21:57:38 how do I start e17? Aug 24 21:57:38 now...anyone know a way to enable tap to click in ubuntu? Aug 24 21:57:48 Cyclic, enlightenment_start Aug 24 21:57:54 honestly if someone pitches me a good idea that has any semblence of thought put into it i'd love to implement it Aug 24 21:58:02 dtzWill: 2-finger up-swipe gets you up-arrow, same for all other arrows Aug 24 21:58:02 regarding getting ctrl/alt/esc there Aug 24 21:58:24 (also if your design can include right-click, that'd be nice :3) Aug 24 21:58:30 ctzWill, run it from the menu? I tried that. Aug 24 21:58:32 summatusmentis: that sounds compelling so far Aug 24 21:58:42 Cyclic: run it from a terminal :) Aug 24 21:58:45 right click could be something like 3-finger tap Aug 24 21:58:57 I would if I could get to one from lxde Aug 24 21:59:02 I'm installing e17 now Aug 24 21:59:29 Cyclic: F2. Aug 24 21:59:36 Cyclic: use xeuctah to start an xterm? Aug 24 21:59:38 :( Aug 24 21:59:41 maybe alt f2 Aug 24 21:59:56 summatusmentis: okay. i'm not trying to attack an idea in-fomration, but if fleshed it out this is copmelling Aug 24 22:00:13 for example, how would you do a right-click drag? (maybe we don't support that, shrug, but just a thought) Aug 24 22:00:23 and then control/alt/esc would be gestures..somehow? Aug 24 22:00:51 dtzWill, bah, this is linux, who needs a gui? :p Aug 24 22:01:03 ew pretty Aug 24 22:01:31 dtzWill: I haven't completely fleshed this out. I just wish there were more gestures :) Aug 24 22:01:42 where is the data from usb mount? Aug 24 22:02:14 also to those askifn for up arrow: learn !! :) Aug 24 22:02:23 ok it blew up Aug 24 22:02:33 I clicked root terminal Aug 24 22:02:37 nvm its sh not bash >_> Aug 24 22:02:42 summatusmentis: understood, and thank you. Aug 24 22:02:56 i'm rather serious that the only blocker to that is a system that doesn't suck or have fundamental issues Aug 24 22:03:19 it says ERR: e_dbus e_dbus.c 466 e_dbus_bus_get() error connecting to bus: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket, no such file or directory Aug 24 22:03:32 oh Aug 24 22:03:39 dtzWill: but, right-click could be 2-finger tap, and right-click-drag could be 2-finger drag Aug 24 22:03:42 yep, you're boned. without some upstart hackery iirc Aug 24 22:03:53 summatusmentis: hmm kk Aug 24 22:04:00 dtzWill, have you run firefox in a chroot on the TP? Aug 24 22:04:02 summatusmentis: which finger indicates the location of the tap? Aug 24 22:04:10 RagingMind: i ran iceweasel and chrome, eys Aug 24 22:04:20 debian++ Aug 24 22:04:58 ah, maybe i did run firefox on ubuntu, shrug. Aug 24 22:05:01 there are patches for gtk+ around that implement double click as long tap Aug 24 22:05:17 fwiw chrome has faster sunspider js benchmarks scores than the native browser's webkit Aug 24 22:05:18 just saying Aug 24 22:05:27 dtzWill: well, are we talking about pixel locations? or are we talking about the webOS multi-touch API (which may just be pixel locations, I'm not that familiar) Aug 24 22:05:37 s/double click/right click/ Aug 24 22:05:37 javispedro meant: there are patches for gtk+ around that implement right click as long tap Aug 24 22:05:39 I wonder if the x86 flash and huludesktop would run with the help of qemu-static Aug 24 22:05:56 summatusmentis: i meant pixel locations; but i meant 'if i see two taps down at once, where is the user indicating they're tapping?' Aug 24 22:06:06 my TP is enjoying its brand new rooCase Aug 24 22:06:07 RagingMind badly Aug 24 22:06:19 I'm assuming it would be unusably slow Aug 24 22:06:21 also i don't look forward to writing a gesture-recognition code thing Aug 24 22:06:44 dtzWill: imageine a recognition mechanism for "how close together are the two taps"? Aug 24 22:06:57 is anyone else working on the sdl x server? say xrandr? what about running wayland? Aug 24 22:07:16 dtzWill: yes, the overarching issue with gestures is the gesture-recognition mechanism Aug 24 22:07:37 eh Aug 24 22:07:43 are the keyboard mappings hosed? Aug 24 22:07:48 in E17 Aug 24 22:08:36 compiz (core) - Error: Couldn't load plugin 'ccp' Aug 24 22:08:44 confused... Aug 24 22:08:54 dtzWill: I've toyed with the idea of a generic "record a gesture, assign it a value" thing, but haven't had time to even think about implementing it Aug 24 22:08:54 looks like everything is there Aug 24 22:09:04 hrrm Aug 24 22:09:15 oh thats vicious Aug 24 22:09:18 no qway to quit vi Aug 24 22:09:23 from terminal, if I do synergys machinename, I get a seg fault Aug 24 22:09:49 jrabbit: technically you can quit vi, there's no way to get out of insert mode Aug 24 22:10:02 is there another editor? Aug 24 22:10:06 no nano/pico Aug 24 22:10:16 well theres no control key either Aug 24 22:10:34 there is on the bt kb Aug 24 22:10:40 :P Aug 24 22:10:48 i only have a bt mouse Aug 24 22:10:52 and its broken Aug 24 22:11:20 is there a text editor that i can use that can edit in ~/* ? Aug 24 22:11:57 RagingMind: no one's loked at wayland afaik Aug 24 22:12:11 RagingMind: xrandr is a solved problem AFAIK, just needs some love. Aug 24 22:12:18 that's why you need synergy Aug 24 22:12:21 i have a branch that implements it for example. Aug 24 22:12:21 how does one install some eyecandy on teh TP? Aug 24 22:12:35 be patient guys :) Aug 24 22:12:43 AHCompy: haha compiz worked for me last time i tried it Aug 24 22:12:51 was slow of course, since not accel'd, but still Aug 24 22:13:15 dtzWill: its being douchey over here... missing ccp plugin Aug 24 22:13:15 Cyclic: use synergy from WIDK, it works Aug 24 22:13:18 or worked before anyway Aug 24 22:13:26 dtzWill: what does xrandr get you? Aug 24 22:13:42 summatusmentis: dynamic rotations Aug 24 22:13:49 oh right Aug 24 22:13:54 and lets us resize X if you show/hide the keyboard Aug 24 22:14:09 which i'm not sure will work well, tbh, since last time i checked in general X clients/wm's don't handle resizings especially well Aug 24 22:14:12 but we'll see Aug 24 22:14:13 I knew I recognized it from somewhere, I just couldn't remember Aug 24 22:14:37 can I get to the ext3 partition from usb mode? Aug 24 22:14:43 whats a good file manager? Aug 24 22:14:55 damn... glad I made a 4 gb ext3. hahaha Aug 24 22:15:03 gnome is big. lol Aug 24 22:16:19 does making the partition require a complete re-doctor? or is the metadoc just the mechanism for repartitioning? Aug 24 22:16:30 wonder how long it'll be until hardware accel is implemented into this project Aug 24 22:16:43 summatusmentis: complete Aug 24 22:17:00 :-/ Aug 24 22:17:08 but I _like_ my current setup Aug 24 22:17:28 summatusmentis, there is a alternative method "in the comming years" Aug 24 22:17:30 cigarette time... Aug 24 22:17:31 what abou tit? Aug 24 22:17:54 lol ^^ Aug 24 22:18:05 summatusmentis: if you registered your HP stuff, it restores a lot of the settings. There are some good configuration settings on that doc too Aug 24 22:18:11 sorry. haha Aug 24 22:18:27 summatusmentis, you can manually create/download a filesystem image of ubuntu/debian and loopback mount it by hand Aug 24 22:18:31 then run stuff from it Aug 24 22:18:42 summatusmentis: just for the repartinioning Aug 24 22:18:44 that is true, I forgot about that Aug 24 22:18:44 so guys, did hp.com ever restock? Aug 24 22:18:46 I did that with debian on my pre Aug 24 22:18:52 whoops. Aug 24 22:18:58 meant tosay that in #touchpad Aug 24 22:19:00 dtzWill: wait, what? Aug 24 22:19:00 summatusmentis: if your linux-fu is good, you can just unmount everything and use lvm to create the partition Aug 24 22:19:14 of course if you break your device doing so, that's of course all on you and i never suggested it ;) Aug 24 22:19:15 my linux-fu is decent, is there a tutorial for that? or not Aug 24 22:19:17 but that's what i did, for example. Aug 24 22:19:22 of course not Aug 24 22:19:30 no, an automated tool is WIP i believe Aug 24 22:19:32 is a device recoverable from that? Aug 24 22:23:44 summatusmentis: absolutely. you're just scribbling on the flash disk Aug 24 22:23:44 errr Aug 24 22:23:46 'recoverable' Aug 24 22:23:54 you can still boot to recovery mode and doctor it Aug 24 22:23:55 and start over Aug 24 22:24:07 however you probably will lose all your data if that goes wrong Aug 24 22:24:49 well, but the stuff on /media/internal is backup-able Aug 24 22:24:59 hm, does anyone else get a segmentation fault from synergyc with the ubuntu chroot on the hp touchpad? Aug 24 22:25:10 I'm only asking if I run the risk of bricking my device, but it sounds like not Aug 24 22:25:21 sx: i was just complaining about that :) Aug 24 22:25:36 Cyclic: :D Aug 24 22:25:48 Cyclic: so you did not found a solution to that? Aug 24 22:25:59 I gave up Aug 24 22:26:03 it's really hard without tab :/ Aug 24 22:26:10 i can't work without tab :( Aug 24 22:26:26 http://i.imgur.com/c8tIG.jpg GOGOGOGOGO Aug 24 22:26:33 synergy works, promise: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jY3q59jqyis :) Aug 24 22:26:37 I am just going to try building stuff in WebOS... it works Aug 24 22:26:52 I don't see why people don't just do that Aug 24 22:26:57 Cyclic: what are you building? Aug 24 22:27:06 I would tell you but I would have to kill you Aug 24 22:27:13 :) Aug 24 22:27:14 because my cross-compiler is faster Aug 24 22:27:28 dwc, but you can do that in a VM Aug 24 22:27:30 Cyclic: you can try, but i don't think you will find me :D Aug 24 22:27:34 haha Aug 24 22:27:36 yay Aug 24 22:27:40 ssh achieved Aug 24 22:28:24 not that i can really usenthis as well as my droid with connectbot but its nice Aug 24 22:28:50 so, will it be possible in the near future to whipe webos from my flash and only use a custom linux? Aug 24 22:29:00 dtzWill: whats up with the dotted sides of xserv? Aug 24 22:29:18 sx, I heard touchdroid would have a release today Aug 24 22:29:36 fwiw XTerm lauch via Xecutah works on 1.4.5 after -x permissions are granted to xterm/xecutah.sh Aug 24 22:29:37 jrabbit: ? Aug 24 22:29:54 sethron: hmm you mean +x? Aug 24 22:29:55 dtzWill: if you're brave we could checkout termkit :p Aug 24 22:30:10 dtzWill: yes Aug 24 22:30:17 dtzWill: theres like 1-2px of stripes on the edge Aug 24 22:30:40 OLA! Aug 24 22:30:49 Cyclic: that would be wonderful (i don't want android, but it goes the same way) :) Aug 24 22:30:58 jrabbit, x by default has a weird pattern for a background. and when you run xterm you see a bit of that around the sides Aug 24 22:31:10 PDunny: what issues were you having with the chroot? Aug 24 22:31:14 jrabbit: you mean xterm, not xserver? Aug 24 22:31:21 I am trying to install a different version of Ubuntu through CHRoot do I create a normal CHRoot or what? Aug 24 22:31:22 jrabbit: just how xterm maximizes itself AFAIK Aug 24 22:31:24 potentially. Aug 24 22:31:28 possibly it tries to give itself a border, shrug. Aug 24 22:31:45 could be the x11 bqckground Aug 24 22:32:12 dtzWill: do the emoticon krys send a keycode? Aug 24 22:32:25 jrabbit: don't think so. you can check with xev. Aug 24 22:32:35 gtg, work needs me. laters o/ Aug 24 22:32:38 k Aug 24 22:32:57 i cant exqctly exit screen :) Aug 24 22:34:54 still installing. lol Aug 24 22:35:43 better Aug 24 22:36:06 anyone have any idea why PDK games seem to have issues with textures not loading on touchpad? Aug 24 22:36:14 I made a basic search and came up dry Aug 24 22:36:36 it did this on webos 3.0.2 before any patches Aug 24 22:36:48 bah. arrow keys not working? Aug 24 22:37:06 I was doing this on NOVA Aug 24 22:37:09 the game loaded Aug 24 22:37:15 and recognized my keypresses Aug 24 22:37:31 but as soon as I was actually in game, the textures were replaced with whiteness Aug 24 22:39:06 extension "RANDR" missing on display":0.0". Aug 24 22:39:09 :-\ Aug 24 22:44:30 hum Aug 24 22:47:54 hm, something strange happened, after installing xfdesktop4 meta package the onscreen keyboard disapperead and left a black scar :( Aug 24 22:48:07 Steve Jobs resigns O.o Aug 24 22:48:15 yay Aug 24 22:48:17 http://blogs.wsj.com/deals/2011/08/24/steve-jobs-resigns-as-apple-ceo/ Aug 24 22:48:19 finally. lol Aug 24 22:48:46 wow, he moved to chairman Aug 24 22:48:50 so he's not gone yet :( Aug 24 22:48:52 olf nred Aug 24 22:48:53 The b0rg is dead Aug 24 22:48:53 heh Aug 24 22:48:57 lol Aug 24 22:49:01 no, but in the public's eye, he's gone Aug 24 22:49:12 at least for a couple days Aug 24 22:49:15 Apple users will wake up and stop being brainwashed Aug 24 22:49:30 lol YES Aug 24 22:49:35 unixpsycho: are you in the EU by chance? Aug 24 22:49:36 I hate apple... Aug 24 22:49:38 excuse me, I'm an Apple user Aug 24 22:49:43 apple sucks Aug 24 22:49:59 sorry, but I still cannot stand apple... Aug 24 22:50:02 LarrySteeze: nope. US Aug 24 22:50:15 there's a lot to dislike about their policies and business decisions Aug 24 22:50:15 more-so the hardware than software... Aug 24 22:50:24 steve jobs will still be chairman, so he won't be too far gone Aug 24 22:50:32 their OS is very nice Aug 24 22:50:56 summatusmentis: depends on the point where you're standing at Aug 24 22:51:08 ah...I knew a developer about 10 years ago that went by the name of unixpsycho and unixmad, but he was from belgium...I think Aug 24 22:51:25 sx: I mean, that's true, everyone has their own technology preferences Aug 24 22:51:51 sx: but OS X does a nice job of getting out of my way, and letting me do what I need to do, while proiding me a nice interface to do it, IMHO Aug 24 22:52:01 LarrySteeze: oh? i've had this nick for about 10 years myself. never been to EU tho Aug 24 22:52:01 I do like OSX Aug 24 22:52:06 summatusmentis: yupyup. very nice...very polished Aug 24 22:52:09 not sure about 10.7 Aug 24 22:52:23 seems to be a grab bag Aug 24 22:52:27 anywho Aug 24 22:52:28 Apple has superior software. on their own platform. that is the key. Aug 24 22:52:43 not always Aug 24 22:52:44 I'm liking 10.7 overall. Full screen is so nice it makes me really hate to use my netbook with 10.6 on it :< Aug 24 22:52:45 anyone else had odd issues with graphics corruption on PDK games on stock 3.0.2 Aug 24 22:52:56 ? Aug 24 22:52:59 Palm had superior software (in my opinion) on their own hardware as well Aug 24 22:53:04 summatusmentis: so as my linux does, with the difference that i did pay only for my hardware, which was surely much cheaper than yours ;) Aug 24 22:53:32 Palm didnt have the engineering staff to compete. they has the right idea tho. Aug 24 22:53:35 sx: care to share how much you spent on your hardware? Aug 24 22:53:52 I used to use linux, and I felt that the polish was never quite finished Aug 24 22:54:07 and there were always things about the UI that were bugging me, so I spent all of my time fixing them :) Aug 24 22:54:45 dtzWill: Lumberjack + deduction + Internalz Pro ftw :) Aug 24 22:54:46 uNiXpSyChO: indeed, their own hardware is part of what makes their OS so nice Aug 24 22:54:50 summatusmentis: 350€, ~499$ Aug 24 22:54:55 fair enough Aug 24 22:55:11 O.o Aug 24 22:55:16 govnah isn't out for the TP? Aug 24 22:55:17 when I compared hardware prices at the time, my macbook was similarly priced to equivalent laptops Aug 24 22:55:27 I think it's in the testing feeds LarrySteeze Aug 24 22:55:28 hold on...lemme find the beta feed info lol Aug 24 22:55:51 * uNiXpSyChO despises Apple and all their users sitting in Starbucks Aug 24 22:56:02 lol Aug 24 22:56:13 uNiXpSyChO: I have a similar reaction, but it's more because they're sitting in Starbucks Aug 24 22:56:22 LOL Aug 24 22:56:30 I actually saw a girl with a dell computer in a starbucks. Oh yeah, the relevant information is that she had mac os x running on it. Aug 24 22:56:44 and I hate to say it, but she looked like the stereotypical "ditzy blonde" Aug 24 22:56:48 thats blasphemy Aug 24 22:56:49 I run OSX on my Netbook… Mostly because the other options just suck so bad it's worth futzing with it Aug 24 22:56:53 I hated when I was doing mac development Aug 24 22:56:58 and I had to go sit in the coffee shop Aug 24 22:57:03 with the macbook Aug 24 22:57:18 much prefer my thinkpad in public Aug 24 22:57:40 although honestly the best laptop toting Starbucks patrons are the ones who bring in a 17" beater… and then use it with a USB keyboard and mouse on the lap Aug 24 22:57:41 <3 my macbook Aug 24 22:57:45 never have quite figured that one out Aug 24 22:57:53 (x100e, thinner, lighter ... less than half the cost) Aug 24 22:58:36 I've been seriously considering the x220, partially because Lenovo always has nice deals Aug 24 22:58:43 Thinner, lighter… 11" versus 13" :U Aug 24 22:58:51 I'm finding OS X hard to give up though Aug 24 22:59:11 I really like lenovo Aug 24 22:59:32 ideologically, I'd liek to run linux/bsd or some such Aug 24 22:59:44 Steve jobs just resigns... Aug 24 22:59:46 pragmatically, OS X is sooo nice/shiny :) Aug 24 23:00:06 SineOt: 12.1" 4:3, matte. who's got it? Aug 24 23:00:14 Tim Cook is new CEO Aug 24 23:00:22 we know Aug 24 23:00:30 oj Aug 24 23:00:33 oh* Aug 24 23:00:51 * Ironsight should have scrolled up more Aug 24 23:01:12 x220 is decent... Aug 24 23:01:18 but starts at something like what $800? Aug 24 23:01:23 dwc-: I was reading the Engadget review which says it's an 11.6" screen, not 12.1 o_o Aug 24 23:01:24 indeed Aug 24 23:01:29 I want a decent CPU Aug 24 23:01:46 SineOt: no. that's what i want! Aug 24 23:01:49 Ironsight: not to be snarky, that's just what got us talking about all sorts of other things Aug 24 23:01:55 dwc-: oh! Aug 24 23:02:03 basically, I want an updated version of my x32 Aug 24 23:02:05 yeah I don't think anyone makes 4:3 anymore Aug 24 23:02:10 ahh Aug 24 23:02:10 :) Aug 24 23:02:28 I guess I'm going to doctor my device to 3.0.2 and see if it's a relic of the upgrade process Aug 24 23:02:53 12.1", 4:3, matte, discrete video w/ dedicated vram, < ~3.5 lb Aug 24 23:03:21 dell's m1205 (was it?) was close, but was too bulky Aug 24 23:03:50 if I can get what I need out of my TP, I may just buy a desktop Aug 24 23:03:56 also, I prefer trackpoints to touchpads Aug 24 23:04:02 my brother has a dell m1530 Aug 24 23:04:11 with the geforce 9600m Aug 24 23:04:14 yeah, I want to get a TP as a netbook replacement really Aug 24 23:04:15 *8600 Aug 24 23:04:24 I overclocked the tar out of the GPU Aug 24 23:04:31 it just now is starting to feel old Aug 24 23:04:34 I assume 1530 = 15" so, too big for me :( Aug 24 23:04:37 lots of people go "oh tablets aren't netbook replacements" but it's like, hell all I really do is browse the web I can do that just fine on a tablet Aug 24 23:04:38 * dwc- wants something more portable Aug 24 23:04:45 alienware m11x Aug 24 23:04:50 I like them Aug 24 23:05:07 SineOt: pretty much Aug 24 23:05:17 I'd like to be able to ssh with it Aug 24 23:05:29 because that's the other big thing I do, ssh and then code/irc Aug 24 23:05:58 if my TP can be a coding machine, the only other thing I need a computer for is photo editing Aug 24 23:06:01 contradude: so do I. It just seemed a bit bulky, and the keyboard was not to much to my liking... and it was around the $900 range as well. Aug 24 23:06:08 so I went with the <$400 x100e Aug 24 23:06:34 Dunno about the coding machine bit. I'd imagine typing a lot on the touchscreen would take some getting used to, but it's totally doable Aug 24 23:06:35 do you feel yourself wanting for CPU power on the x100? Aug 24 23:06:43 (if you can't get exactly what you want for a lot of money, might as well get the not-quite-what-you-want for half the price) Aug 24 23:06:48 SineOt: if nothing else, that's what a BT keyboard is Aug 24 23:06:50 is for* Aug 24 23:07:02 summatusmentis: the x100e has some heat issues... the x120e supposedly fixes a lot of them Aug 24 23:07:05 summatusmentis: yeah, totally Aug 24 23:07:28 computing power not a big deal, but to keep the heat down, I usually throttle the cpu below max Aug 24 23:07:44 one of these days I'm going to do some undervolt testing Aug 24 23:07:50 I do VM+programming stuff relatively frequently Aug 24 23:07:58 so CPU is sort of a big deal for me Aug 24 23:08:10 I've got my Nexus S under volted and under clocked ;x it's pretty nice ;x Aug 24 23:08:11 I don't run eclipse, but I do have the palm emu running Aug 24 23:08:18 and it runs fine Aug 24 23:08:21 still boots faster than a pre2 Aug 24 23:08:37 I've been real tempted by that x120e Aug 24 23:08:40 My pre2 takes 4 mins to boot Aug 24 23:08:42 SineOt: do you use that as your primary phone? Aug 24 23:08:42 you say boots faster than a pre2 as if it's hard to do :p Aug 24 23:08:54 summatusmentis: at the moment, it's my only phone! :p Aug 24 23:08:56 SineOt: yea, I know! Aug 24 23:08:57 and yes I do Aug 24 23:08:58 Steve Jobs resigns as CEO of Apple Aug 24 23:09:13 the under volt and under clock really stretches the battery life out like maaaaaddddd Aug 24 23:09:14 Loudergood: another similar model to the x120e is HP's dm1z Aug 24 23:09:18 SineOt: orly? hrm, I'm gonnna need a new phone soon Aug 24 23:09:22 my pre- is dying Aug 24 23:09:27 Nexus S is trash Aug 24 23:09:29 I know, but I'm a trackpoint addict Aug 24 23:09:31 really helps to offset the drain the super AMOLED uses Aug 24 23:09:34 you seem to get a slightly higher spec than the thinkpad, but no trackpoint Aug 24 23:09:40 * dwc- high-fives Loudergood Aug 24 23:09:46 Just wondering if it would be a side step from my T60 Aug 24 23:09:55 so i have the touchpad up and runnin... DLing the palm sdk to get preware on it now :) Aug 24 23:10:04 uNiXpSyChO: whyso? Aug 24 23:10:27 mpingu: you're about 25 minutes and 3 announcements late Aug 24 23:10:58 SineOt: quirky. cheap plastic feel. Launcher2 is still buggy as hell. etc... Aug 24 23:11:36 overall, "android" Aug 24 23:13:39 I don't know about the quirky bit, but I'll agree on the plastic. Not a fan of the battery cover but the screen is surprisingly nice to use Aug 24 23:14:58 HP "we're dropping touchpads" Apple "we're dropping steve" Aug 24 23:15:12 I just dont like Samsung phones overall. But Launcher2 is buggy. I used to build my own kang of CM7 with Launcher2 instead of ADW, now i know why cyanogen dropped it. Aug 24 23:16:09 All of you are speaking gibberish to me lol Aug 24 23:16:56 Wtf,my amazon order was canceled... Aug 24 23:17:02 (for TPs) Aug 24 23:17:12 I've got Go Launcher on it right now P: Aug 24 23:17:28 good choice :-) Aug 24 23:18:18 still has a few oddities but it's been good. the stock launcher for 2.3 is really terrible though… I assume that's what you mean by Launcher2? Aug 24 23:18:57 dtzWill: ping? Aug 24 23:19:46 SineOt: yep. that is the stock launcher Aug 24 23:20:02 or someone who works on Xerm/Xserver Aug 24 23:20:06 hey uNiXpSyChO Aug 24 23:20:11 yo Aug 24 23:20:13 uNiXpSyChO: honestly, a lot of the stock Android apps are pretty terrible. They've been easy to replace, though, with far better ones thankfully Aug 24 23:20:21 how fast has the tp been? :) Aug 24 23:20:30 1.9 stable? Aug 24 23:20:54 SineOt: true. for one, the email app had to go. i use K9 Aug 24 23:21:04 so using webos quickinstall still works for touchpad and webos 3.0, right? as long as I use the latest version? Aug 24 23:21:11 (I haven't had to deal with this in a eyar since I did it on my pre) Aug 24 23:21:15 jtrucks: I believe so Aug 24 23:21:32 you have never doctored your pre? Aug 24 23:21:34 PatrickC_TP: for some im sure it's stable. try it and see. if not, just dont use it. Aug 24 23:21:36 uNiXpSyChO: yeah, I replaced the dialer, sms, mail, and gallery Aug 24 23:21:44 and launcher, of course Aug 24 23:21:49 … and lock screen Aug 24 23:21:52 uNiXpSyChO: its in preware? I didn't see it Aug 24 23:21:55 * PatrickC_TP goes to look Aug 24 23:21:58 PatrickC_TP: oh, I have done my pre, and the three replacements... just haven't messed with it in a while and just got my touchpad today Aug 24 23:22:19 PatrickC_TP: of course it's there Aug 24 23:22:19 ah Aug 24 23:22:26 uNiXpSyChO: awesome Aug 24 23:22:31 * PatrickC_TP goes to downloads Aug 24 23:23:42 SineOt: hence why i like HTC phones. Sense is a pig but it's integrated well. Aug 24 23:24:17 uNiXpSyChO: I see 1.7xx as the max Aug 24 23:24:18 no 1.9 Aug 24 23:24:25 yeah, Sense is really nice. I'm curious in seeing how MIUI turns out because it seems to be even better integrated than Sense is Aug 24 23:24:37 true Aug 24 23:24:56 * uNiXpSyChO reminds people that HTC used to make Palm Treo's Aug 24 23:25:17 uNiXpSyChO: kernel name? f15? that's only 1.728 Aug 24 23:25:21 have you seen MIUI? I'd use it right now but there's no wimax support and that kind of sucks Aug 24 23:25:44 PatrickC_TP: still F15. i forgot to update desc Aug 24 23:26:03 ah Aug 24 23:26:27 SineOt: i cant get into it since the translations are a little off. not sure why MIUI doesnt kang the wimax support from CM7. Aug 24 23:27:13 that's what the MIUI.us people are trying to do, but I'm not sure what the progress on it is right now. I think there's some hang up with MIUI refusing to load the libraries or something… I haven't followed it very closely Aug 24 23:27:19 bbl Aug 24 23:29:28 SineOt: i might sell my Nexus. not many good roms for it yet and CM7 is still buggy on it. Aug 24 23:30:15 * dwc- blinks Aug 24 23:30:17 uNiXpSyChO: some guy named Peter Alfonso is working a (mostly) stock Gingerbread rom that I'm using right now that he's tweaking as far towards battery life as possible Aug 24 23:30:28 4x4 Icons v4 patch in 2.1.0? Aug 24 23:30:42 with the under volt and under clock to 800mhz I've been able to get like 9 hours of heavy use out of it which blew my mind Aug 24 23:30:51 SineOt: i saw that one. i was afraid to try it. Aug 24 23:31:28 uNiXpSyChO: the first few GPA17 releases were a bit rough around the edges but the newer nightlies seem pretty stable Aug 24 23:31:55 SineOt: oh? i do like the Nexus WiMax drivers tho. they seem to stay in standby better than the others and not be a battery hog. Aug 24 23:32:39 yeah with GPA17 I think he's just aiming to tweak the stock 2.3.5 that ships on the device rather than build something entirely new and crazy Aug 24 23:33:23 although he's added some nice stuff in the kernel he's built for it like BLN which is surprisingly not stock Aug 24 23:33:42 early BLN was horrible for me. Aug 24 23:34:58 I assume it's better now! This is really my first Android phone so I'm discovering a lot of this for the first time Aug 24 23:35:51 SineOt: ah. i still use my EVO 4G. roll my own kernels and get 18 hours of hard usage. of course running CM7 kangs. Aug 24 23:35:59 EVO 3d is horrid. Aug 24 23:36:20 EVO 3D even from just a hardware stand point seemed kind of half baked so I'm not too surprised there! Aug 24 23:37:00 very true. Aug 24 23:38:05 18 hours?! I can barely get 6 on my Pre2 Aug 24 23:38:14 Abyssul-Pre, the pre has a small battery Aug 24 23:38:22 Abyssul-Pre, how long did it take for your pre to arrive? Aug 24 23:38:22 Yea I know Aug 24 23:38:34 Whats the size of the evo3d battery Aug 24 23:39:00 What Pre? Aug 24 23:39:15 EVO 4G is a 1500mAh battery, Nexus S 4G is a 1500mAh battery too Aug 24 23:39:16 Abyssul-Pre: 1750 i think. too lazy to move my arm to pull the cover off. Aug 24 23:39:28 I think the Pre is 1100mAh? Aug 24 23:39:33 1150 Aug 24 23:39:54 So its like 30% bigger Aug 24 23:40:04 oops. evo3d has 1730 Aug 24 23:40:54 Still thoug... 18? Aug 24 23:41:08 why you don't let a 15 year old lead a project? http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2391767,00.asp Aug 24 23:41:10 i have a slim 2000 Aug 24 23:41:38 hi guys, quick question Aug 24 23:41:50 Shoot Aug 24 23:42:11 I heard Preware got an update, something about fonts Aug 24 23:42:28 Does that mean Preware allows me to install different language fonts for the browser? Aug 24 23:44:27 You always could install language fonts even without Preware Aug 24 23:44:40 Preware just makes it easier Aug 24 23:45:00 oh, never knew! Thanks my man Aug 24 23:45:52 Whether the fonts work or not is unsure, especially for unsupported languages. Aug 24 23:46:18 Try searching the forums for efforts on supporting hebrew and arabic into WebOS Aug 24 23:46:56 Alright, I will. I was actually doing that right now too! Aug 24 23:47:50 I also understand that it might not work, so its cool Aug 24 23:48:42 Its been a scattered W.i.p since 2009 Aug 24 23:49:16 quick question: is there a way to get a keyboard in xterm on the touchpad w/o ubuntu chroot? Aug 24 23:50:03 I have to head to my W7 computer for WSQI, so thanks for the help and I'll be back if I need help! Aug 24 23:54:25 hello everyone Aug 24 23:57:03 Howdy Aug 24 23:57:52 Managed to get myself one of the $150 Touchpads... testing out wIRC and my new Bluetooth keyboard :) Aug 24 23:58:27 uNiXpSyChO, do the crypto modules included with uberkernels do much for a "palmtop" user? Aug 24 23:58:37 Lucky. I'm still looking. Aug 24 23:58:50 HP is supposed to release more this week Aug 24 23:59:14 RagingMind: dunno. i never used them. Aug 25 00:02:42 I always see that in the list of features on the preware package page, and keep wondering what one would do with them Aug 25 00:02:59 E4g, so I hear. Aug 25 00:04:02 overclocking was the easiest thing in the world... and doesn't seem to have impacted the battery life at all Aug 25 00:07:06 that was wIRC reconnecting after an incoming phone call btw Aug 25 00:07:21 YESS!!...it seems like the android on TP Project is going down in flames...and I couldn't be happier Aug 25 00:07:35 RavenII, link? Aug 25 00:07:39 Why couldn't you be happier? Aug 25 00:07:56 Well, good call e4g I could...I could be happier.... Aug 25 00:08:10 you win a lifetime supply of ice cream! Aug 25 00:08:10 http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2391767,00.asp Aug 25 00:08:10 lol Aug 25 00:08:25 THAT would be awesome Aug 25 00:08:33 Ice cream....mmmmmmm Aug 25 00:08:53 I'm just wondering why it's good news? I mean... I love webOS... but I like Android as well... options are nice. Aug 25 00:09:28 e4g: yeah I agree, options are great, but in this case...I would rather them keep WebOS as the only one for the Touchpad...just so it could thrive.... Aug 25 00:09:53 If people put android on it...no one will really give wOS a chance.... Aug 25 00:10:02 well, that's my opinion anyhow.... Aug 25 00:11:20 I'm sure there's a shit ton of people that bought it thinking "HELL yeah, this thing is going to get android (I know I did when I first got new of the price drop)...but when they used wOS, they thought....shit, this thing is awesome... Aug 25 00:12:01 I like that, with Enyo, even I can write code for it... haha. Aug 25 00:12:28 I have an Evo 4G, Pre+, iPod Touch 2G, a Nook Color, an iPad, and now a touchpad...and truthfully the tp is by far the best of them all.... Aug 25 00:12:39 minus the bonus points for the NC fitting in my pocket... Aug 25 00:12:50 what is this enyo that everyone is talking about? Aug 25 00:12:52 ohhhh...wait Aug 25 00:12:55 nevermind Aug 25 00:14:14 I have an Evo as well... love it. I also don't run stock Android on it though... Cyanogenmod for me... that being said... I love some of the apps on the TP. Aug 25 00:14:54 My opinion is solely based on the UI and functionality of the OS... Aug 25 00:15:08 ANypne here played with Kubuntu Mobile yet? Aug 25 00:15:10 obviously as far as apps and peripherals go.... Aug 25 00:15:21 PDunny: ....not yet, hey your name isn't Patrick is it? Aug 25 00:15:30 I work with a dude named Patrick Dunn... Aug 25 00:15:30 No it's Paul Aug 25 00:15:34 Oh. Aug 25 00:15:42 My middle name is Donny lol Aug 25 00:15:49 ah. Aug 25 00:16:05 Took 22 years for Paul Donny to transform to PDunny Aug 25 00:16:19 I need to patent it before PDiddy tries to jack it Aug 25 00:16:34 He changes his name so much it's bound to happen ..... Aug 25 00:17:02 This shit is irritating, trying to get Ubuntu Mobile to launch a desktop enviroment but noone has a clue about it Aug 25 00:17:03 he's still gotta be named a symbol like prince Aug 25 00:17:20 I'm really impressed with the battery life on the Touchpad. Aug 25 00:17:22 The only useful info I have gotten about it was a reference to something called "hildon" Aug 25 00:18:31 But the set up for it is designed for touchpad damn near and has an awesome UI for touchscreens Aug 25 00:18:51 Guys, I just want to apologize for any BS that the TouchDroid stupidity ever causes to head in your general direction. kthx. Aug 25 00:19:24 lol jbruchon Aug 25 00:19:55 I have a feeling touchdroid is not going to work out too well from the looks of the IRC channel .... plus why put android onto the touchpad? Aug 25 00:20:24 jbruchon: ? Aug 25 00:21:20 PDunny: I'm working on it. And I wanted to do it just for fun, but this is really getting stupid. Aug 25 00:21:26 RavenIII: ? ? Aug 25 00:22:15 jbruchon - When I bought my touchpad my plan was Ubuntu then Android, my plan is not WebOS AND Ubuntu and maybe when I feel like it, Android Aug 25 00:22:49 I am much more satisfied with my nice, easy, fast webOS than I ever was with my android Aug 25 00:23:00 Just wish it had the market .... Aug 25 00:23:04 PDunny: I hear you. Aug 25 00:23:06 We need that software that webosinternals tweeted 12 hours ago that could possibly bring he android market to WebOS Aug 25 00:23:31 http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-mobile/releases/11.04/release/ Aug 25 00:23:52 That is what I am trying to get working on my touchpad btw Aug 25 00:24:10 I'm interested. Tell us how it goes. Aug 25 00:24:26 I can't figure out the command to launch the GUI:/ Aug 25 00:25:10 cd /opt/kde3/bin Aug 25 00:25:20 ./startkde Aug 25 00:25:24 or just startkde Aug 25 00:25:25 PDunny, how did you get it on your TP? Aug 25 00:25:37 CHRott Aug 25 00:26:03 chroot? Aug 25 00:26:12 yeah Aug 25 00:26:31 Did the ubuntu 11.04 chroot then apt-get install kubuntu-mobile Aug 25 00:26:34 with the preinstalled image? Aug 25 00:27:00 I have no clue how to create a chroot for the Kubuntu Mobile Aug 25 00:27:15 in light of the recent x discussions, i found this fortune rather humorous: http://pastebin.com/65bB1YYq Aug 25 00:27:36 did you download one of their omap images or just install it in the ubuntu chroot from preware? Aug 25 00:27:44 Patch in preware is labeled for the wrong webos version :/ Aug 25 00:27:57 I did apt-get RagingMind Aug 25 00:28:06 So the latter Aug 25 00:28:12 ah, k Aug 25 00:28:22 Abyssul-Pre: which one? Aug 25 00:28:27 I am just trying to test it before I advance much further with it Aug 25 00:28:28 PDunny: screenshots of kubuntu-mobile somewhere? j/w :) Aug 25 00:28:31 4x4v4 patch is Aug 25 00:28:35 Launcher icon grid patch Aug 25 00:28:39 Abyssul-Pre: get the author to resubmit with the correct versions Aug 25 00:28:46 dtzWill - here is a youtube video of it Aug 25 00:29:03 Meh thats too much work. Its 1.4.5 only. Aug 25 00:29:10 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CLvdpPk9Ls Aug 25 00:29:47 PDunny, use dpkg -l to list packages, then dpkg -L to list contents of ones that sound close... eventually you'll find the script/binary you need Aug 25 00:29:47 Abyssul-Pre: app-launcher-4x4-icons-v4-no-arrows-plus-more ? Aug 25 00:30:06 Yes sir Aug 25 00:30:06 well... that's what I do at times, but it's horribly slow Aug 25 00:30:51 rest in peace launcher patches Aug 25 00:31:05 Rofl. Die launcher patches! Aug 25 00:31:26 Abyssul-Pre: it will disappear in the next autobuild run Aug 25 00:32:02 Just reporting what I see General Aug 25 00:32:35 PDunny, look in /etc/X11/Xsession.d (in your chroot) Aug 25 00:35:59 What for? Aug 25 00:36:33 here is an odd issue on my touchpad. when I launch preware it opens the software manager instead Aug 25 00:36:47 anyone seen this happen? Aug 25 00:37:33 if I reinstall preware it will work, after a reboot it starts doing it again Aug 25 00:38:40 PDunny, that's where the files for all the xsessions are stored, you can look through any kde ones and figure out what commands are launched Aug 25 00:42:09 etx: reboot time Aug 25 00:42:27 sometimes webos seems to get confused about what apps and what cards go together Aug 25 00:42:54 none for KDE Aug 25 00:44:54 dwc-: a reboot should fix it? I'll try, brb Aug 25 00:48:10 After I find what I need I am going to have to wipe my touchpad:/ Aug 25 00:48:49 why? Aug 25 00:49:23 No space left on my Ubuntu Format lol Aug 25 00:49:46 installing KDM/KDE now Aug 25 00:50:34 All of this to be able to right click lol Aug 25 00:52:16 is it just me or is downloading stuff with the touchpad nearly imposible Aug 25 00:52:56 keep getting 'relativeresource' nothing actually downloads Aug 25 00:53:07 I'm talking about the browser Aug 25 00:53:33 i was gonna say, ever heard of xterm/chroot? wget ftw! Aug 25 00:54:53 lol Aug 25 00:55:29 Jack87,I cant download files from the dropbox website either Aug 25 00:55:51 mine are from any website that uses a password Aug 25 00:56:01 pain in the ass when I want to use it for school Aug 25 00:56:11 Jack87, just use a chroot Aug 25 00:56:20 or rdesktop to a "real" PC Aug 25 01:00:12 I bought my TP for use in university and none of classes really need a regular computer except programming Aug 25 01:00:13 Anyone ever run Gnome on the touchpad? Aug 25 01:00:51 PDunny, upstart has a wonky thing going on, wont start dbus, thus many WM's dont work Aug 25 01:00:59 including gnome Aug 25 01:01:02 Should get the Clarity UI on Ubuntu Aug 25 01:01:17 enlightenment may work Aug 25 01:01:25 I am having problems with that as well Aug 25 01:01:45 E17 works nice Aug 25 01:02:43 it even has a phone sized theme Aug 25 01:03:26 Does it work with touchscreens well? Aug 25 01:03:29 does dbus like being in a chroot running on a computer that's already using it's own dbus for other stuff? Aug 25 01:04:08 idk, never played with upstart long enough to fix it lol Aug 25 01:07:15 hello Aug 25 01:07:16 had the pleasure of doctoring my Touchpad 2x today because of installing sudo via ipkg-opt Aug 25 01:07:40 So what command to launch e17? Aug 25 01:07:41 first time i didnt realize it was sudo but when I went to restore because I had no sound or access to web and reinstalled sudo it dorked it again Aug 25 01:08:46 Got it:) Aug 25 01:10:16 hey Aug 25 01:10:22 any of you seen this before? Downloading http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/optware/pre/cross/unstable/Packages.gz wget: bad address 'ipkg.nslu2-linux.org' Aug 25 01:10:47 Cyclic, does that still happen? Aug 25 01:10:50 nevermind Aug 25 01:10:57 wifi was off... oops! Aug 25 01:11:04 lol Aug 25 01:11:22 Yeahh.... You need internet o.O Aug 25 01:11:58 rrix: ...you said something about loop something...what was that about? Aug 25 01:12:30 internetz, I haz it Aug 25 01:13:12 scoutcamper: that's not really a solution Aug 25 01:13:33 whats not really a solution? Aug 25 01:14:01 oh, the chroot? lol Aug 25 01:14:08 * LarrySteeze|Away screwed up his preware...oops Aug 25 01:14:10 Christ to download stuff Aug 25 01:14:19 chroot god damn it Aug 25 01:14:27 disabling auto correct Aug 25 01:14:28 any way to backup the whole dang device? Aug 25 01:15:11 Cyclic: rsync Aug 25 01:15:12 anyone have govnah accidentally turn your touchpad into a one-core device? Aug 25 01:15:33 LarrySteeze, um... no? Aug 25 01:15:36 look up on webos-internals.org Aug 25 01:16:04 only one of my cores seems to be doing anything :P Aug 25 01:16:16 * LarrySteeze wanders to the wiki Aug 25 01:16:18 is there a libx11-dev for ipkg-opt? Aug 25 01:16:19 LarrySteeze: thats intentional. Aug 25 01:16:56 LarrySteeze: default kernel and uk clock the 2nd core low or off to save battery until its needed Aug 25 01:17:13 Cyclic, ipkg.nslu2-linux.org is accessable from the web, you can look for packages there Aug 25 01:17:16 ah...I just must not be doing anything intensive enough Aug 25 01:17:18 Govnah just shows it as off or something like that Aug 25 01:17:41 thx Aug 25 01:17:57 Make sure you have it updated too Aug 25 01:18:00 it must be huuuge Aug 25 01:18:12 govnah? it's updated Aug 25 01:18:20 Mmk Aug 25 01:18:47 Trust me, its not destroying your cpu or hindering it :) Aug 25 01:19:15 Although its best not to keep govnah open for extended periods of time Aug 25 01:19:24 hum well enlightenment is decent ..... Aug 25 01:19:24 hrrm, do the slug packages work? Aug 25 01:19:41 you mean keeping govnah the application open Aug 25 01:19:52 I mean... any? Aug 25 01:19:59 because with it closed, the changes it makes stay in effect... Aug 25 01:20:00 Cyclic, umm, i cant remember Aug 25 01:20:58 LarrySteeze: yeah. Govnah just changes the kernel settings. Justdont keep the Govnah card open and logging for long periods of time Aug 25 01:21:07 yeah, I never do Aug 25 01:21:17 How could I make a chroot of ubuntu for the touchpad? Anyone know? Aug 25 01:21:22 I'm not new to govnah...just new to it on the TP Aug 25 01:21:51 time to just start compiling stuff :) Aug 25 01:24:50 Abyssul-Pre: did your amazon onsale order get canceled to Aug 25 01:24:56 Yep Aug 25 01:25:08 apologies in advance for the newbie question, but how long should it generally take for Preware to be installed on a Touch Pad using WebOS Quick Install? I tried Win 7 x32 and x64 and it seems like it's timing out, the java process goes idle and it just sits there. Aug 25 01:25:09 Sadly Aug 25 01:25:25 5 seconds Aug 25 01:25:35 yeah, almost no time at all Aug 25 01:25:41 do you have the novacom service running? Aug 25 01:26:34 that must be it. the Quick Install software can see the thing but the novacom service isn't running. does it just need to run from the command prompt? Aug 25 01:26:35 Jack87, I'm waiting for HP to get more stock although I plan to browse around my local shopping area for any new shipments. Aug 25 01:27:21 Make sure your java framework is updated and you have the correct novacom installed. Aug 25 01:27:54 Installing novacom from the wosqi can be wonky Aug 25 01:28:09 I prefer just downloading it from opensource.palm.com Aug 25 01:28:21 if you're having troubles, you can just use the preware standalone installer as well Aug 25 01:28:32 did you say you were running x64? Aug 25 01:28:59 i've got a laptop with x64 on it and an older desktop with x32 Aug 25 01:29:29 x32 has always been the easiest...but even for the last couple years, x64 hasn't been particularly troublesome Aug 25 01:29:59 you have the right version of the doctor, right? Aug 25 01:31:03 X64 was only hard to install when palm didnt support it fully,they now do. Aug 25 01:31:17 Forget doctor, just download the sdk Aug 25 01:31:21 like I said, even for the last couple of years :P Aug 25 01:32:15 Anyone here know about making a chroot? Aug 25 01:37:11 cool found a wiki about it:) Aug 25 01:37:23 Gotta boot into Ubuntu bbias Aug 25 01:41:13 hey Aug 25 01:41:25 how do I add users to my touchpad so my shell doesn't run everything as root? Aug 25 01:42:08 updates tend to overwrite the passwd file Aug 25 01:44:39 ok so can I do it temporarily? Aug 25 01:44:49 right now it says read only filesystem Aug 25 01:45:14 Why not have everything run as root? Are others going to be logging in? Aug 25 01:45:33 Cyclic, 'rootfs_open --help' Aug 25 01:45:48 I just need it for git Aug 25 01:46:53 RagingMind: Thank you! Aug 25 01:48:26 :) Aug 25 01:50:17 wow Aug 25 01:50:21 steve jobs stepped down Aug 25 01:51:57 greetings Aug 25 01:54:44 RagingMind: How do I add the user to wheel after I add them? Aug 25 01:56:04 does webos have adduser? *shrugs* Aug 25 01:56:11 yes that worked Aug 25 01:56:21 and I have /etc/group Aug 25 01:56:37 adduser is also what you use to add users to groups Aug 25 01:56:40 e.g. jailusers:*:5000:root,luna Aug 25 01:57:01 root:*:0: Aug 25 02:08:28 aha, figured it out... thanks for the ideas! had to fix the novacomd stuff manually Aug 25 02:33:40 does anyone know if the bt kb uses the normal linux input subsystem on the touchpad? (looks like it uses a userland bt stack...) trying to establish whether it's worth trying to get a usb kb working (lack of bt kb here) Aug 25 02:34:19 all I know is webos uses a custom bt stack Aug 25 02:34:40 and evedev -> hidd Aug 25 02:34:44 evdev Aug 25 02:38:12 so when the bt kb is paired/enabled, you get an entry for it in /dev/input/ and /sys/class/input/ ? Aug 25 02:39:02 there's no sudo on touchpad? Aug 25 02:42:47 Cyclic, well, as the only user is root ... Aug 25 02:43:04 booto, I would have to check on that Aug 25 02:45:00 booto, that would be a "yes" Aug 25 02:45:38 jacques: excellent :) Aug 25 02:45:44 :-) Aug 25 02:49:45 imagine a world where the webos internals kernel supported kexec. oo la la Aug 25 02:51:52 jonpry, first kexec would have to work for this arm sub-arch, does it? Aug 25 02:52:11 indeed Aug 25 02:52:31 can I cross compile for web os on mac? Aug 25 02:52:50 I think so, but most ppl I know who use macs run an ubuntu vm Aug 25 02:52:58 yes. install the pdk/sdk from palm Aug 25 02:53:00 yeah Aug 25 02:53:21 oops, I was thinking WIDK, sorry Aug 25 02:53:38 the palm sdk supports mac Aug 25 02:53:51 any version of ubuntu? Aug 25 02:54:08 10.04 is best supported Aug 25 02:54:12 32-bit Aug 25 02:54:16 k Aug 25 02:54:18 question ya: when will we be able to add tabs? Aug 25 02:54:25 Cause I need better organization Aug 25 02:54:44 WebOS 2.0 pages are sweet Aug 25 02:55:07 For C/C++ development, the SDK integrates with Visual Studio on Windows, and Xcode on OS X, although you can use command-line tools if you prefer. Aug 25 02:55:13 hrrm Aug 25 02:55:19 https://developer.palm.com/content/resources/develop/sdk_pdk_download.html Aug 25 02:56:14 is there a good google rss reader for webos Aug 25 02:56:35 there are several, not sure which is best. you mean free or paid? Aug 25 02:56:50 I think there's an open source one in the app cat Aug 25 02:56:52 NomNomNom Aug 25 02:56:53 (and free) Aug 25 02:56:55 freakin lovely Aug 25 02:57:00 yeah I like nomnomnom Aug 25 02:57:21 thanks, so will this work under the touchpad Aug 25 02:57:45 yeah, I have it on my tp Aug 25 02:57:50 NomNomNom is built for touchpad Aug 25 02:59:08 cool, do I install preware etc?? Aug 25 02:59:29 how do i edit preware feeds Aug 25 02:59:33 i accidently typed it in wrong Aug 25 02:59:34 grrr Aug 25 02:59:38 yaboo, you should install preware, but you don;t need it for app cat Aug 25 02:59:51 ok, app cat **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Aug 25 02:59:58 2011