**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 25 02:59:58 2011 Aug 25 02:59:59 grandy: you can simply delete your entry Aug 25 03:00:03 the others you can't I believe Aug 25 03:00:09 how Aug 25 03:00:13 it dont let me Aug 25 03:00:19 hold up Aug 25 03:00:22 TouchPad I presume? Aug 25 03:00:29 yes Aug 25 03:01:29 drag it to delete Aug 25 03:01:35 slide it to the side Aug 25 03:01:38 yup Aug 25 03:01:41 that's it Aug 25 03:01:45 swipe from left to right Aug 25 03:05:06 urg where is the source tree for the webos internals kernel? i can only find patches Aug 25 03:10:37 whats the unixpsycho feed Aug 25 03:10:59 if you have to ask, you probably shouldn't use it Aug 25 03:11:11 >:/ Aug 25 03:11:33 if you have to sass me you probably shouldn't answer :D Aug 25 03:13:03 http://preware.is.awesome.com/ doesn't work Aug 25 03:14:08 unixpsycho does experimental kernels Aug 25 03:14:27 the unixpsycho feed is probably testing, or pre-testing releases of experimental kernels Aug 25 03:14:50 jonpry, see http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/242728-webos-internals-uber-kernel.html Aug 25 03:15:47 when you overclock the snapdragon, does it effectively overclick the built in gpu aswell? Aug 25 03:15:54 overclock* Aug 25 03:16:01 and there are several kernels, that's just one of the most popular ones Aug 25 03:16:32 Ironsight, good question, I dunno. Aug 25 03:16:34 as in, can I push out better fps in sdl? Aug 25 03:16:44 gpu has it's own clocks Aug 25 03:16:48 after reading that i found it more or less impossible to retrieve the source code for the distributed binary Aug 25 03:17:05 but they have to be synced, so it must be increasing them together (keeping in the same ratio) Aug 25 03:17:18 driven from same pll maybe Aug 25 03:17:28 if you have more specifics ask the kernel developers in #webos-internals Aug 25 03:17:44 jonpry: git.webos-internals.org Aug 25 03:17:47 we are in #webos-internals Aug 25 03:17:51 ;) Aug 25 03:18:07 rwhitby, I think he was remarking that he wanted the entire pre-patched source tree Aug 25 03:18:09 I just don't know who the kernel devs are Aug 25 03:18:27 and we'll never tell Aug 25 03:18:30 yeah i see the stuff on git.webos-internals.org. but it doesn't explain how/where to get the source that the patches are against Aug 25 03:18:33 Ironsight: the git commit history will tell you that Aug 25 03:18:34 bwahh ha ahaaaa!!!!! Aug 25 03:18:42 jonpry: opensource.palm.com Aug 25 03:18:43 darn Aug 25 03:19:01 jonpry: the build Makefiles have all that information encoded in them Aug 25 03:19:15 i also found that stuff Aug 25 03:19:15 I thought the forum post I linked explained that Aug 25 03:19:46 jonpry: http://git.webos-internals.org/preware/build/tree/support/kernel.mk Aug 25 03:20:00 rwhitby, good idea :D Aug 25 03:20:11 yeah i found that. just seems like the GPL doesn't say anything about some reverse engineering required Aug 25 03:20:46 jonpry: pardon? Aug 25 03:21:17 Sooo is it looked down upon if I create a patch that turns a trial app into a full version? :p Aug 25 03:21:42 jonpry: GPL says source and build scripts. *everything* in the webos-internals feeds has source and build scripts in those git repos Aug 25 03:21:42 ooh nice, webos-internals ported qt Aug 25 03:21:46 * uNiXpSyChO fly on wall Aug 25 03:21:52 * Ironsight is browsing the git page Aug 25 03:22:15 I bet that was a pain Aug 25 03:22:19 jonpry: I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you're not trying to start something with that comment, as most folks here would find it mildly offensive. Aug 25 03:22:33 as do I. Aug 25 03:22:44 What did I miss? Aug 25 03:22:44 not start too much anyways Aug 25 03:22:55 * uNiXpSyChO walks into room Aug 25 03:23:21 jonpry: leaving that aside. kexec. do you have experience porting it to arm ? Aug 25 03:24:07 @uNiXpSyChO...love your work. Was just getting onboard the WebOS train when they pulled the rugged out from under me.. Aug 25 03:24:09 i've got the userland binaries. i have used kexec on armv6, and i know some people that have got it to work on armv7, but not on A9 Aug 25 03:24:45 glazunov_: the train is still moving Aug 25 03:25:31 jonpry: well, any assistance on that would be welcomed. kexec support is something we would like to have in our kernels. Aug 25 03:25:55 wheres instructions to overclock to 1.7ghz Aug 25 03:26:01 anything to get away from bootie imho Aug 25 03:26:13 @uNiXpSyChO...True, at the right price it might be, still waiting to hear from my vendor about a price reduction Aug 25 03:26:22 whoa, what's wrong with bootie ? Aug 25 03:26:37 i did have mine overclocked to 1.7 from day one thanks to you Aug 25 03:26:40 * uNiXpSyChO wonders what bootie has to do with kexec Aug 25 03:26:52 i'm afraid bootie will brick my shit Aug 25 03:26:58 mmm.... bootie... Aug 25 03:27:06 oh dear Aug 25 03:27:06 * rrix facepalms Aug 25 03:27:15 * uNiXpSyChO double facepalm Aug 25 03:27:15 dont fear the bootie Aug 25 03:27:39 Hehe I love this puns Aug 25 03:27:41 I will never understand why someone would buy a Drobo when you can build something similar for a absolute ton less money... Aug 25 03:28:04 well anyways. kexec is much easier than having to recover after booting a known not going to work kernel Aug 25 03:28:32 yep, kexec would be very handy if we had it. Aug 25 03:28:39 hey Aug 25 03:28:44 any of you get synergy working? Aug 25 03:29:20 Cyclic: what do you mean working? Aug 25 03:29:30 rwhitby, i will try to make some patches. i just need a workable source tree :p Aug 25 03:29:32 Cyclic: this synergy? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jCespaoYcc&feature=channel_video_title Aug 25 03:29:35 are you using synergy to share your shell? Aug 25 03:29:53 rwhitby: yes that Aug 25 03:29:57 jonpry: happy to walk you through the build org Aug 25 03:30:45 jonpry: previous attempt (webOS 2.x on phones) is in http://git.webos-internals.org/puffthemagic/kernel/log/?h=kexec Aug 25 03:31:25 1.7 ghz would probably eat battery bad Aug 25 03:31:36 sweet Aug 25 03:33:27 rwhitby: : how did that synergy get on there? Aug 25 03:33:35 rwhitby, thats looks like good work, no go? Aug 25 03:33:54 jonpry: PuffTheMagic would be able to give you the status on that repo Aug 25 03:34:02 i gtg, will be back tomorrow to look at this stuff Aug 25 03:34:46 hi folks, does anyone know if thinkorswim.com trading app is available for webOS platform ? Aug 25 03:35:05 it's available for almost all mobile platforms, except webOS Aug 25 03:35:36 vin___: as are most apps ;) Aug 25 03:36:58 Ugh, why does Preware hang on installing packages so much Aug 25 03:37:12 Abyssul: never happens for me. Aug 25 03:37:35 hasn't happened to me on the tp, hasn't happened in many months on the pre Aug 25 03:37:35 About 1/5 packages for me hang and I have to restart Preware Aug 25 03:37:43 blah blah blah...seriously?? ... k Aug 25 03:38:18 was happening to my colleauge with his new pre2 today Aug 25 03:38:32 Does on my TP and Pre2 Aug 25 03:38:39 hasn't happened to me in awhile Aug 25 03:38:47 I think it's not preware itself though Aug 25 03:38:53 Abyssul: was pretty flawless on my machine Aug 25 03:40:04 if my suspicion is correct, try installing something with the app catalog Aug 25 03:40:08 I bet it hangs there too Aug 25 03:40:43 I actually just got done updating apps without fail Aug 25 03:42:18 Cyclic: http://git.webos-internals.org/preware/cross-compile/tree/packages/x/synergy/Makefile Aug 25 03:43:17 rwhitby, i need to compile that in ubuntu? Aug 25 03:43:52 Cyclic: WIDK wiki page Aug 25 03:43:58 k Aug 25 03:44:20 Yeah, I was working on that Aug 25 03:44:43 but I was thinking... should i compile in the ubuntu that's running on my device? Aug 25 03:45:12 if that's the case, it's a bit of a catch22 Aug 25 03:45:35 whatever works best for you Aug 25 03:45:44 hehe Aug 25 03:46:01 what do you use? Aug 25 03:46:09 Vm or your device? Aug 25 03:47:10 I develop on a MacBookPro 15", 8GB RAM, 512GB SSD, with VMWare Fusion running Ubuntu 11.04, Windows XP, and CentOS 5. I also run VirtualBox for the webOS emulators. Aug 25 03:47:25 ok Aug 25 03:47:28 that sounds good Aug 25 03:47:34 i'll do that Aug 25 03:47:50 I have a 13 inch and 160GB SSD Aug 25 03:48:09 oh I should use paralelles, since I bought it :P Aug 25 03:49:52 Thank you! Aug 25 03:53:08 I wish we could set the default app for file formats on the TP similar to 2.x Aug 25 04:02:25 i wish i had more time for playing with all these webos goodies :( Aug 25 04:05:47 hey folks Aug 25 04:06:02 is there any sort of way to do a full back-up of the NAND flash? Aug 25 04:08:30 novacom+dd Aug 25 04:19:28 http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/precentral/Packages Aug 25 04:20:05 should the com.wordpress.mobilecoder.touchplayer have a Location: for the file? Aug 25 04:21:01 yep Aug 25 04:22:40 I'm not sure how the Packages file is generated... so is that from a broken precentral source , or something that went wrong in the conversion? Aug 25 04:22:58 most likely a broken PreCentral source Aug 25 04:23:23 http://www.precentral.net/precentral-ipkg-feed.xml is the source Aug 25 04:24:34 hey rwhitby you around? Aug 25 04:24:59 he was just here Aug 25 04:25:07 2 mins ago Aug 25 04:25:53 damn Aug 25 04:26:10 yes Aug 25 04:26:11 anyone here know anything about the touchpad boot process? Aug 25 04:26:19 ah-- hey I just finally got one of these things Aug 25 04:26:36 and I'm trying to figure out as much as I can here... Aug 25 04:27:00 Just ran this doctor thing for the first time... reflashed... I'm wondering how much I can gut this before I lose the ability to reflash in an emergency Aug 25 04:27:06 hiya ft|away Aug 25 04:27:09 hey ka6sox Aug 25 04:27:26 hmmm, at least right now, the feed looks ok to me... Aug 25 04:27:40 I'm confused whether uboot or "bootie" is the bootloader... Aug 25 04:27:42 fattire_, Aug 25 04:27:44 boottie Aug 25 04:27:52 what is uboot doing in /boot then? Aug 25 04:27:59 fattire_: didn't we go through this the other day? Aug 25 04:28:06 rwhitby: I don't think so... Aug 25 04:28:13 I didn't have a device then anyway Aug 25 04:28:18 hmm, ok. Aug 25 04:28:30 bootie is the bootloader. Aug 25 04:28:35 If it isn't documented on a wikipage, I'll document it Aug 25 04:28:35 ft|away there talking about touchpad in touchdroid Aug 25 04:28:46 the internals for writing device drivers Aug 25 04:28:54 it has a similar command structure to uboot, and supports the same image format Aug 25 04:28:56 that's premature Aug 25 04:29:03 but is has no code in common Aug 25 04:29:26 rwhitby this explains why there is no topaz board file in the u-boot source provided by palm I guess Aug 25 04:29:36 fattire_: that source is just for mkimage Aug 25 04:29:41 ahhhhhhh Aug 25 04:29:43 that makes so much sense Aug 25 04:29:45 bootie is not open source Aug 25 04:30:00 written by the same guy who did iBoot Aug 25 04:30:17 so at power-on bootie loads... then starts uImage in /boot Aug 25 04:31:34 I guess that means no replacing bootie anytime soon Aug 25 04:32:34 maybe this is a stupid question Aug 25 04:32:43 but why would you want to replace bootie? Aug 25 04:33:04 well on nook for example I did a bunch of tweaks to u-boot Aug 25 04:33:30 changed the boot splash, gave on-screen feedback about key-combos and added a boot menu nd some other stuff Aug 25 04:34:00 I wonder what bootloader the qualcomm android port uses Aug 25 04:34:00 also when the kernel size exceeded the room allocated by u-boot we could change it Aug 25 04:34:05 I'd suggest a second-stage, then you don't need to lose recovery mode. Aug 25 04:34:12 jacques: well it's gonna be bootie Aug 25 04:34:25 Jacques they have an MSM bootloader Aug 25 04:34:25 fattire_: I doubt it Aug 25 04:34:33 doubt what? Aug 25 04:34:47 bootie is palm's. qualcomm would use their own bootloader. Aug 25 04:34:48 ka6sox, ah, something else closed? :-\ I was hopinh they had used u-boot Aug 25 04:35:10 its Qualcomm... Aug 25 04:35:17 ka6sox: +1 Aug 25 04:35:25 sigh. Aug 25 04:36:59 * jacques goes to look for a bootloader at codeaurora Aug 25 04:37:51 you can get into bootie from novaterm Aug 25 04:37:55 yes I know Aug 25 04:38:38 anyone out of the us/canada countries with a touchpad by chance? just need a super quick check for something Aug 25 04:38:51 I'm trying to figure out how to not accidentally blow over bootie.. where is it? Sorry I'm coming from an OMAP (nook) background and just familiarizing myself with some basics, so I'll ask really dumb questions-- apologies in advance Aug 25 04:38:51 * rrix Aug 25 04:39:33 fattire_, download the doctor. get meta doctor Aug 25 04:39:44 fattire_, then expand the doctor Aug 25 04:39:47 (unpack) Aug 25 04:39:49 yah Aug 25 04:40:01 then look @ the xml file that controls trenchcoat Aug 25 04:40:08 I grabbed the doctor, ran it and it flashed over teh whole device... don't know what the meta doctor is... but going to go read your site :) Aug 25 04:40:13 it sets up the partitions Aug 25 04:40:28 https://www.codeaurora.org/gitweb/quic/la/?p=platform/bootloader/legacy.git;a=summary Aug 25 04:40:52 jacques, excellent Aug 25 04:41:03 Ah so the metadoctor is a patched doctor it seems? Aug 25 04:41:08 no Aug 25 04:41:09 it turns stuff off etc? Aug 25 04:41:17 yes, and no Aug 25 04:41:30 its a tool for manipulating images Aug 25 04:41:34 slightly newer: https://www.codeaurora.org/gitweb/quic/la/?p=platform/bootable/bootloader/legacy.git;a=summary Aug 25 04:42:00 tons of stuff at https://www.codeaurora.org/gitweb/quic/la/ Aug 25 04:42:02 I would have to go look but I think the file you want is topaz.xml Aug 25 04:42:39 in there are all the definitions of how its configured at the level you are talking about. Aug 25 04:42:50 fattire_: just don't overwrite the boot partition and you're fine. Aug 25 04:43:03 bootloader partition I mean Aug 25 04:43:16 there is a separate partition for /boot, but you don't need that for recovery Aug 25 04:43:24 rwhitby: which is the bootloader partition? Aug 25 04:43:33 one sec Aug 25 04:43:33 rwhitby: so I may keep it holy and untouched Aug 25 04:43:46 you got an unpacked doctor handy? Aug 25 04:43:55 so much misinformation out there... Aug 25 04:44:40 fattire_, this you can take to the bank Aug 25 04:44:49 it is *exactly* how it is Aug 25 04:45:00 in bootie env it seems to imply p12 is boot partition, but p13 is mounted as /boot Aug 25 04:45:06 fattire_: you know the folks you're talking to here, right? Aug 25 04:45:28 rwhitby: you said last time you founded webos-internals but that's all I know :) Aug 25 04:46:25 fattire_: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdBXpZBMQmw (it's long, I know) Aug 25 04:46:33 anyway, ... Aug 25 04:46:42 watching now... and going to find this metadoctor Aug 25 04:46:51 fattire_, rwhitby wrote metadoctor Aug 25 04:47:11 fattire_: If you don't touch anything before the /boot ext3 partition, you can always recover to factory state with a simple doctor. Aug 25 04:47:57 does bootie do boot counts and stuff? Aug 25 04:48:02 no Aug 25 04:48:09 btw, don't believe topaz.xml, it has an error. Aug 25 04:48:19 the boot partition is p13 or 12...? Aug 25 04:48:21 believe what you read in the meta-doctor Makefile Aug 25 04:48:25 okay Aug 25 04:48:30 morning rwhitby Aug 25 04:48:34 the ext3fs /boot is mmcblk0p14 Aug 25 04:48:42 touch nothing before that Aug 25 04:48:59 my bad Aug 25 04:48:59 meaning none of the partitions mmcblk0p0->14? Aug 25 04:49:36 I'm gonna watch this video because it's gonna be ridiculously helpful I can tell :) Aug 25 04:49:42 +1 Aug 25 04:49:43 don't touch 0->13. 14 can be blown away. if it's a GSM TouchPad check again cause they've probably added another partition in there Aug 25 04:50:37 what are all the partitions used for? All part of the boot process? Aug 25 04:50:51 palm likes partitions Aug 25 04:51:09 (I don't wanna ask questions that might be answered in the video or webos-internals.. so tell me if I'm asking stuff that I can just find there) Aug 25 04:52:20 lots of them are qualcomm msm partitions Aug 25 04:52:31 fattire_: did you find the topaz.xml in the unpacked doctor? Aug 25 04:52:35 can someone outside of the US please check if the Groupon Mobile app appears in the AppCatalog? Aug 25 04:52:50 rwhitby: didn't get that far sorry watching the video.. Aug 25 04:52:51 rwhitby: GSM touchpad? Aug 25 04:53:02 Flashpass: I'm outside the US, but have my cat set to US. Aug 25 04:53:20 ah okay, thanks anyway Aug 25 04:54:11 * rrix hates sdl :< Aug 25 04:54:13 rwhitby: so if I nuke all the partitions and such, will I totally brick the thing or is this still recoverable? Aug 25 04:54:56 green--: don't touch 0 to 13. check again for GSM. Aug 25 04:55:23 there is no omap usb cpuboot equivalent that we are aware of. Aug 25 04:56:07 rwhitby: ok, so killing those 13 will brick it? Also if I create more partitions, would something be spooked? Aug 25 04:56:26 rwhitby: gonna have to re d/l the original doctor on the ubuntu machine as I ran it on the mac.. Aug 25 04:56:42 fattire_: I do all my development on a mac Aug 25 04:56:53 and meta-doctor runs fine there with a bit of macports help Aug 25 04:57:00 rhitby didn't the metadoctor need to be run on an ubuntu machine? Aug 25 04:57:01 oh okay Aug 25 04:57:28 "The tool requires a Ubuntu Linux host to run." guess not :) Aug 25 04:58:08 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor Aug 25 04:58:17 it mosly needs java IIRC Aug 25 04:58:26 its make Aug 25 04:58:28 fattire_: in particular, http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor#Mac_OS_X_10.6 Aug 25 04:58:48 ah right Aug 25 04:59:29 rwhitby found it here http://git.webos-internals.org/tools/meta-doctor/ but I think you have a bad link at http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/207472-webos-internals-meta-doctor.html Aug 25 04:59:44 there are omap usb booting tools but sadly not freely available Aug 25 05:00:29 deeper-blue: touchpad is not omap, though, so it won't work I guess Aug 25 05:00:37 of course not Aug 25 05:00:39 fattire_: cheers, fixed. Aug 25 05:00:42 just saying :) Aug 25 05:00:43 :) Aug 25 05:00:52 i tried to set something up for the nook Aug 25 05:00:58 but documentation is sparse on the topic Aug 25 05:01:03 deeper-blue: we have omap cpuboot for the Pre/Pre+/Pre2. Aug 25 05:01:16 does anyone know where i can get a keymap for touchpad with chroot Aug 25 05:01:21 I might have to take a look at that then Aug 25 05:01:37 and port it to nook Aug 25 05:01:41 ugh port selfupdate is slloow Aug 25 05:01:44 deeper-blue: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Last_Resort_Emergency_BootLoader_Recovery#OMAP_boot_Procedure Aug 25 05:01:59 deeper-blue: that would be cool... Aug 25 05:02:16 deeper-blue: we've known it was possible for a while but no one has done it yet :) Aug 25 05:02:35 that procedure is what allows us to say that the Pre is unbrickable Aug 25 05:02:44 pre is omap? Aug 25 05:02:47 yep Aug 25 05:02:55 oh thought it was qualcomm... Aug 25 05:02:59 <- clueless Aug 25 05:03:00 http://bit.ly/veer-disassembly proves that's not true for the Veer Aug 25 05:03:08 Pre 3 is qualcomm Aug 25 05:03:09 well i've written a small tool to talk to the omap in usb boot but i've not managed to modify a MLO enough or even make a working uboot with usb support Aug 25 05:03:13 Pre & Pre 2 are omap Aug 25 05:03:21 rwhitby: nook boots off SD first so that's always been its unbrickableness Aug 25 05:03:36 fattire_: yeah, some guys here worked on the nook color Aug 25 05:03:49 I am astounded HP decided that touchpad does not need external storage Aug 25 05:03:52 rwhitby: you mean the stock sw? Aug 25 05:04:04 fattire_: no, optware for it Aug 25 05:04:11 green--, they were cloning the ipad1 Aug 25 05:04:31 rwhitby: XTerm/XServer feature request goes where? Aug 25 05:04:44 jacques: I see, they even have USB host that they carefully half disabled I assume for use with approved peripherals only or some such Aug 25 05:05:06 green--: we Aug 25 05:05:12 green--, they did what they needed. Aug 25 05:05:26 green--: we're not sure whether all the hardware is there for that. we know it won't power external devices. Aug 25 05:05:45 rwhitby is there a list of the various bootie startup button combos? Aug 25 05:05:47 TouchPad officially has no USB host support. Aug 25 05:05:56 :-( Aug 25 05:05:59 rwhitby: internal hub works as evidenced from dmesg. also most of the usbhost support is enabled. I perhaps turning on vbus requires special triks like on nook Aug 25 05:06:18 [ 81.563192] usb usb1: Product: Qualcomm On-Chip EHCI Host Controller Aug 25 05:06:18 [ 81.577330] usb usb1: Manufacturer: Linux 2.6.35-palm-tenderloin ehci_hcd Aug 25 05:06:18 PatrickC_TP, redmine.webos-internals.org Aug 25 05:06:21 [ 81.577654] usb usb1: SerialNumber: msm_hsusb_host.0 Aug 25 05:06:23 [ 81.609720] hub 1-0:1.0: USB hub found Aug 25 05:06:24 green--: we're very interested in getting such support into our kernels Aug 25 05:06:26 scoutcamper: thanks Aug 25 05:06:43 rwhitby: nook did not have official usbhost support, when did that ever stop anyone anyway? ;) Aug 25 05:06:52 green--: agreed. Aug 25 05:07:03 nothing official stops us around here. Aug 25 05:07:11 yeah, it just depends on the hardware implementation Aug 25 05:07:17 fattire_: I'm not sure we've got that written anywhere. Aug 25 05:07:32 so rwhitby it may be a while for ports to update itself-- it's safe to run meta-doctor and reflash on topaz? Aug 25 05:07:33 is it pointless to make ext3fs 4GB? Aug 25 05:07:34 fattire_: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Bootie Aug 25 05:07:39 ends on: if they enabled in the stock kernel, I am sure this is because implementation is fully working Aug 25 05:07:58 fattire_: meta-doctor will always give you safe output Aug 25 05:08:11 rwhitby: yeah I saw how to get in the menu... Aug 25 05:08:14 is that all bootie can do? Aug 25 05:08:22 multiboot was somethign else we added to uboot Aug 25 05:08:47 RavenIII why not if thats what you want. Aug 25 05:09:14 ka6sox: I don't know if it'll be utilized...I'm trying to mess with Ubuntu and such Aug 25 05:09:38 green--: did you do usb host for nook? Aug 25 05:09:38 everything keeps suggesting 2GB, but could 4GB be beneficial? Aug 25 05:09:44 RavenIII, what size flash you have? 16, 32? Aug 25 05:09:46 ost for: yes Aug 25 05:09:47 RavenIII: I did 8 Aug 25 05:09:54 jacques: 32 Aug 25 05:09:54 sigh, my c&p is buggy Aug 25 05:10:17 RavenIII, I recommend 8GiB then Aug 25 05:10:25 jacques: really? Aug 25 05:10:27 that's what I did Aug 25 05:10:50 jacques: but that leaves a lot less space for my por...music Aug 25 05:10:56 rwhitby: so yes, I did the final bit of usbhost support for nook - the vbus bit Aug 25 05:10:59 Kidding. Aug 25 05:11:11 green--: thanks. Aug 25 05:11:21 RavenIII, well, maybe 5GiB then :-) Aug 25 05:11:33 green--, I have seen no evidence of vbus Aug 25 05:11:46 but nook does not have id pin connected, so it was a kludge to manualy drive the vbus unfortunately. in touchpad the id is connected, so I think the proper support should be possible Aug 25 05:11:49 can anyone tell me if it is normal for Set Ringtone to be missing from Edit Contacts? Aug 25 05:12:02 for WebOS v1.4.5.1 I mean Aug 25 05:12:05 ka6sox: have you tried external vbus? Aug 25 05:12:22 The nook with WebOS Would be SO kickass. Aug 25 05:12:24 the only way I've been able to make it work is using a powered hub and feeding power back into the device from the hub so I could fool powerd into thinking it was charging. Aug 25 05:12:36 so yes, external vbus Aug 25 05:12:40 RavenIII, I have my /opt on the ext3fs partition too. where I install all my optware stuff Aug 25 05:12:42 ka6sox: on touchpad? Aug 25 05:12:45 yes Aug 25 05:12:59 but I need more time...to work on this stuff. Aug 25 05:13:08 jacques: how? Aug 25 05:13:22 I recently got a VZW Pre Plus replacement and I doctored it to v1.4.5.1. When I tried to set a ringtone for a contact the option seems to be missing. Aug 25 05:13:41 ka6sox: it could be the vbus enabling is missing in the otg module like it was for nook Aug 25 05:13:57 I do not believe its there in hardware Aug 25 05:14:19 are lots of people buying the documentation app? i hope internals gets a good chunk of the app buying rush Aug 25 05:14:33 me too Aug 25 05:14:44 green--, unlike the nook which *did* have it Aug 25 05:14:51 lonequid: about 200 a day at the moment, up from 20 usually Aug 25 05:15:00 are you guys talking about OTG on the TP? Aug 25 05:15:12 awesome rwhitby, you'll surely meet the webathon goals now :D Aug 25 05:15:13 RavenIII, I thought I had put it in /etc/fstab, but now I think it's automatically bind-mounted there (/opt) Aug 25 05:15:30 rwhitby: that's good to hear Aug 25 05:15:33 ka6sox: Well, we can always use nokia trick - that is, drive vbus straight from the battery Aug 25 05:15:51 I did it on the nook before I figured out how to force mfd to profide the vbus Aug 25 05:16:01 green--: yeah, we're still waiting for some 2nd touchpads for folks so we can go hunting in the hardware Aug 25 05:16:17 * Ironsight imagines webos on a netbook... Aug 25 05:16:36 that could work... Aug 25 05:16:41 so you guys are talking about usb OTG on the tp? Aug 25 05:16:44 or no... Aug 25 05:17:18 yes Aug 25 05:17:37 nice...very....very nice Aug 25 05:17:48 is there an on-screen terminal ap for webos? Aug 25 05:17:52 I'm basically having the same problem as a few of the commenters here: http://www.precentral.net/oqjayfmn Aug 25 05:17:57 green--: Xecutah, in the testing feeds Aug 25 05:18:01 green--: yes go into Preware Aug 25 05:18:03 green--: XTerm on XServer Aug 25 05:18:09 I was thinking about how much more awesome WebOS would be with USB OTG earlier today Aug 25 05:18:12 ~testing-feeds Aug 25 05:18:12 testing-feeds is a means of testing new WebOS Internals products, documented at http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Testing_Feeds Aug 25 05:18:35 that infobot ...he knows everything Aug 25 05:18:40 well, almost Aug 25 05:18:48 I need to figure the entire preware thing first I guess, I only have novaterm working so far ;) Aug 25 05:19:03 green--: http://bit.ly/phd-ac Aug 25 05:19:04 I use Tide + Xterm to develop on the device Aug 25 05:19:07 ~apple-share-price-tomorrow Aug 25 05:19:07 ;) Aug 25 05:19:27 * Ironsight divides by zero and crashes Aug 25 05:19:28 rwhitby: thanks Aug 25 05:19:44 green--: feel free to pass that link on, for obvious reasons ;) Aug 25 05:23:31 http://redmine.webos-internals.org/issues/527 Aug 25 05:24:27 PatrickC_TP: need an API Aug 25 05:24:37 rwhitby: what kind? Aug 25 05:24:42 to detect the bluetooth? Aug 25 05:24:55 Yes Aug 25 05:24:55 from SDL Aug 25 05:25:16 I think having a sticky preference (like we have for the keyboard size now) would be fine till we go an API Aug 25 05:25:38 I think copying LogMeIn's keyboard methodology and layout would be ideal Aug 25 05:26:02 I just think its kind of wasting space when you have a big black area at the bottom of the screen Aug 25 05:27:24 rwhitby: you think that would be easy to implement? Aug 25 05:27:32 green--: so you've got a device - how many others of the nook team do? Aug 25 05:27:49 green--: you work on the nook team? cool Aug 25 05:28:22 rwhitby: I knw of at least two more Aug 25 05:28:43 is anyone else having trouble downloading TouchPlayer? Aug 25 05:28:46 PatrickC_TP: for the loose term of work, I mostly am interested in kernel stuff only wadign in userspace if I cannot avoid it to make things work Aug 25 05:28:51 Hmmm, I think I could make Qt do multitouch input if I hacked hard enough Aug 25 05:29:18 rrix: you can make just about anything work if you hack it hard enough :) Aug 25 05:29:28 but idk anything about Qt Aug 25 05:29:45 PatrickC_TP: Of course, but I mean relatively. I have to go to school and pay rent still :) Aug 25 05:29:53 lol Aug 25 05:30:27 anyone knows off the top of their heads what voltage does the battery in the touchpad provides? 3.3v? Aug 25 05:30:45 so the TP doesn't do ad-hoc wifi, is there any possibility of getting to the tether via USB? Aug 25 05:31:24 green--: 3.7, looks like http://www.techrepublic.com/photos/cracking-open-the-hp-touchpad/6253940?seq=45&tag=siu-container;thumbnail-view-selector Aug 25 05:31:35 sigh, too lof for vbus Aug 25 05:31:38 low, even Aug 25 05:32:24 yeah, 3.7 rings a bell Aug 25 05:32:31 green--, I looked carefully @ that article Aug 25 05:32:39 saw NOTHING that looked like 5v Aug 25 05:32:44 PatrickC_TP: I downloaded it, but it's just spinning for a moment now Aug 25 05:33:01 (re TouchPlayer) Aug 25 05:33:07 ka6sox: need to check the charger doc too, who knows, might be it has n900-style voltage booster ;) Aug 25 05:33:20 rrix: I can't even get it to download Aug 25 05:33:30 huh Aug 25 05:33:51 green--, could be...but since the charger is 5V I kind of doubt it. Aug 25 05:33:54 damn I need to get a touchstone for my touchpad. I pickedone up for my pre2 over the weekend, so nice Aug 25 05:34:18 ka6sox: well, it happened on n900, so could well be happening in other devices too. Aug 25 05:34:24 TP charger is 5.3V@2.0A Aug 25 05:34:35 anyway time to sleep now, I'll probably take a deep dive into this stuff on weekend Aug 25 05:34:41 enjoy Aug 25 05:34:43 laters Aug 25 05:35:54 green--: you're very welcome here, mate. Aug 25 05:37:07 lol, java installer just told me 3 billion devices run java... wonder how many run c? Aug 25 05:38:57 C FTW Aug 25 05:39:53 is sdl under webos GLES? Aug 25 05:40:06 is there anyway to get a GLES 1.0 context Aug 25 05:40:26 tmzt, yes Aug 25 05:40:31 well, 1.1 Aug 25 05:40:37 right Aug 25 05:40:37 and 2.0 Aug 25 05:40:46 i'm sure i probably don't want to know the answer to this, but anyone know how difficult it would be to add proxy support to webos? Aug 25 05:40:59 looks like I might be able to trick dalvik into rendering to a es1 context Aug 25 05:41:31 tmzt, the palm dev docs on their dev site have good info about GLES under SDL Aug 25 05:42:42 Ironsight: few. they're all compiled into native binaries ;) Aug 25 05:42:46 the files that I create in the Chroot, where are the stored? in the /media/ext3fs? Aug 25 05:43:08 jetsaredim: there is http proxy support in webos3, but no gui for it, reportedly Aug 25 05:43:20 https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?p=63184#p63184 Aug 25 05:43:23 but I haven't tried it Aug 25 05:43:26 dwc-: how ... convenient Aug 25 05:43:51 seems a necessary component when vpn can be setup Aug 25 05:43:52 I do like java though, for the most part you only have to code something once, and everyone can use it Aug 25 05:43:54 if they ever intended it to be an enterprise device, they need proxy support Aug 25 05:43:59 kinda like python if you are careful Aug 25 05:44:14 jacques: agreed Aug 25 05:44:27 python you just copy and paste until it looks good Aug 25 05:44:33 and it will probably work Aug 25 05:44:35 :) Aug 25 05:44:37 hehe Aug 25 05:45:07 # block of code taht does wahtever (copy freely) Aug 25 05:45:24 dwc-: is there a list of such attributes similar to this palm://com.palm.connectionmanager/configureNwProxies Aug 25 05:45:41 2.6 was like that for sure Aug 25 05:45:49 jetsaredim: not sure. I just ran across that post ~30 min ago when I was looking for something else possibly proxy related Aug 25 05:45:57 jacques: have a link like that to the GL stuff? Aug 25 05:46:21 tmzt, not off-hand, but I can look Aug 25 05:47:01 heh. luna did not like me replacing libWebKitLuna.so out from underneath it Aug 25 05:48:38 hmm, he quit Aug 25 05:49:31 no thats a reset Aug 25 05:49:51 well if he returns, I have a link for him Aug 25 05:53:42 hmm.. can you installs silverlight in the ubuntu chroot? Aug 25 05:53:45 * PatrickC_TP checks Aug 25 05:54:53 jacques, he has returned. Aug 25 06:01:46 tmzt, maybe start with https://developer.palm.com/content/api/dev-guide/pdk/display-access.html Aug 25 06:02:08 i have some question to ubuntu chroot, so i have just ordered silly a 16gb tp, is that enough for ubuntu because i need to reserver some gig for it sepcially or? Aug 25 06:03:17 Technikfreak, that's fine Aug 25 06:03:43 ah ok and the files who will access linux could i load to the other "big" partition? Aug 25 06:04:39 argh.. does the webOS SDK come in ARM? Aug 25 06:05:03 PatrickC_TP, patience grasshopper... Aug 25 06:05:30 ka6sox: I know people who installed it on the chroot before, but they tared up the SDK dir and transferred it Aug 25 06:05:31 and is there a advice wthich graphical interface i should sue becuase kde and gnome are to big or? Aug 25 06:05:33 I can't do ha Aug 25 06:05:45 Technikfreak: I use lxde Aug 25 06:05:55 ah and is it working good? Aug 25 06:05:57 also vnc ect..=? Aug 25 06:06:01 it works fine for me Aug 25 06:06:11 I don't use vnc Aug 25 06:06:13 ah Aug 25 06:06:26 because i want to have remote access to my digital mixing consoles Aug 25 06:06:33 on a stage or wahtever Aug 25 06:06:55 and how did i know if a program will runn on arm or not? Aug 25 06:07:01 just try via apt-get? Aug 25 06:07:15 yes Aug 25 06:07:19 ubuntu has separate repos for arm... Aug 25 06:07:24 Technikfreak, I've used it for my mixers. Aug 25 06:07:34 so if you can't find it, it's not there :) Aug 25 06:07:39 I just tried to install a package with gdebi and it told me that it wasn't compatible, so I guess it will tell you if it won't work :) Aug 25 06:07:52 cool Aug 25 06:08:14 ka6sox : which one? i have ilive, yamaha m7 and sometimes soundcraft Aug 25 06:08:18 Technikfreak, made it so I could record better with a sub mix Aug 25 06:08:24 m7 and soundcraft Aug 25 06:08:28 They are probably short on people that can maintain packages for arm atm Aug 25 06:08:40 mostly m7 Aug 25 06:08:43 well, I'm off to bed. night all Aug 25 06:08:52 night patrick Aug 25 06:08:56 and which interface did you running on the tp? Aug 25 06:09:10 and did you access directly with the studio manager or also vnc Aug 25 06:09:36 vnc Aug 25 06:10:07 I do live broadcast of events. Aug 25 06:10:18 and our position is upstairs. Aug 25 06:10:36 (and they don't like us backstage as its too busy and noisy) Aug 25 06:10:52 yeah Aug 25 06:11:15 and which graphical interface are you using and is vnc smooth and fast enough? Aug 25 06:11:36 vnc is plenty fine... Aug 25 06:12:06 I can't remember the interface I'm using right now... Aug 25 06:12:13 lxde? Aug 25 06:12:26 (we only did it like 4weeks ago but I can't remember...too many other gigs in between) Aug 25 06:12:38 Sup room? Aug 25 06:12:39 with with a hp touchpad? Aug 25 06:12:57 AHCompy : you mean this topic should be disscuess offline? Aug 25 06:13:34 Anyone know how to generate a d-bus machine-I'd? Aug 25 06:13:39 No? Aug 25 06:14:45 Lol Aug 25 06:26:42 I got it. Lol dbus-uuidgen Aug 25 06:29:15 AHCompy_: dbus-uuidgen? Aug 25 06:29:19 Right Aug 25 06:33:09 hmm android has a property system_init.startsurfaceflinger Aug 25 06:33:14 we need to disable that Aug 25 06:33:23 and hack up something to init sdl Aug 25 06:34:50 Probably been asked a lot, but why does uploadd upload GPS information? Aug 25 06:35:53 Just incase it gets lost. Lol that stuff has always irritated me... Aug 25 06:36:07 What can Palm do for me if it gets lost, lol.. Aug 25 06:36:19 Haha right? Aug 25 06:36:41 * rrix already has a script that dumps GPS to his server, pfft Aug 25 06:36:48 I trust my machine more than I trust theirs Aug 25 06:40:09 what happened to preware Aug 25 06:40:30 nothing? Aug 25 06:40:43 not available from webosquickinstall Aug 25 06:40:54 no packages found Aug 25 06:41:44 http://install.preware.org/ - perhaps choose another method, or ask in the webosquickinstall forum thread. the author that tool isn't here. Aug 25 06:42:24 Why doesn't jaycanuck irc, btw/ Aug 25 06:42:52 dunno Aug 25 06:46:01 rrix: he shows up every now and then... for about a min but is more then than now Aug 25 06:46:20 * rrix nods Aug 25 06:47:30 * Jack87 is really liking the TP keyboard... and with it can replace most of the stuff he does on the computer with the TP Aug 25 06:48:00 i did command line anyway Aug 25 06:48:28 steve__: redundant install methods ftw. Aug 25 06:48:34 is there anything for android which lets webos think it's a webos phone so they can pair? Aug 25 06:49:02 lonequid: most folks here probably have webOS phones ;) Aug 25 06:49:36 let me rephrase it so you can answer, is enough known about the webos->phone pairing or is it open enough for that to be possible? Aug 25 06:50:21 lonequid: it should pair any phone as a BT headset. Aug 25 06:50:33 for messages, it needs MAP bluetooth protocol Aug 25 06:50:51 cool so it's just using straight BT, i'll check out what android has to offer Aug 25 07:05:27 hello Aug 25 07:10:44 anyone around good w/ the hp catalog issues? Aug 25 07:11:09 i've already tried restoring via webdoc back to 3.0.0 and erased apps etc... Aug 25 07:11:39 deleted the device from palm web manager thing, and have tried many other methods of fixing to no avail. Aug 25 07:12:17 would certainly like something which will WIPE the damned thing and reformat. not just delete user space files. Aug 25 07:13:22 webOS doctor. Aug 25 07:13:35 what size should I make the ext3fs partition for a ubuntu chroot? Aug 25 07:13:50 lisurgec: but does that actually wipe and reformat ie will it fix hp catalog issues. Aug 25 07:13:56 damned thing was working fine earlier. Aug 25 07:14:20 what issues are you having? Aug 25 07:14:42 there was an update recently, have you installed it Aug 25 07:14:46 zottffssen: 1GB will do for min cmdline. 2GB for small apps. 4GB should do most people. I did 8GB myself. Aug 25 07:15:04 the action could not be compleaed.' Aug 25 07:15:11 rwhitby: shit your following me. Aug 25 07:15:18 rwhitby: and ya got a hammer. Aug 25 07:15:28 So thinks like google chrome will go onto the ext3fs partition? Aug 25 07:15:38 lisurgec: i've tried 3.0.0.2 Aug 25 07:15:46 c0ns0le|away: you may like to check the channel creation date, and the owner ;) Aug 25 07:16:00 anyone knows if there will be webos doctor for the pre 3? Aug 25 07:16:08 lisurgec: hp cat was at 5.0.1600 Aug 25 07:16:28 eurisko: I've been asking folks at HP for it for a week or so. It should come eventually. Aug 25 07:16:41 c0ns0le|away: I recomends webOS doctor too, it will flash your system to basics. It helps me with my Plam Pre+ Aug 25 07:17:12 k. i'll try that another 10 times, Aug 25 07:17:19 only issue is i'm at about 20%bat Aug 25 07:17:49 good thing it needs to be on the charger to work Aug 25 07:17:50 does the account retain file data like /etc/hosts or such on the palm user id. Aug 25 07:17:53 err webos id. Aug 25 07:18:28 k. trying something. Aug 25 07:18:33 turn off and erase backup. Aug 25 07:18:43 remove device from webos account. Aug 25 07:18:55 flash to 3.0.2 Aug 25 07:21:30 lisurgec: i was hoping there was something that would blow away all the pvs/lvs/vgs and wipe the disks. Aug 25 07:22:19 was tempted to dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/partition lol.... Aug 25 07:22:27 but didn't know how good webdoc was. Aug 25 07:22:46 rm -rf / Aug 25 07:23:00 rwhitby: hence the question i asked in the other chat of does webdoc boot from an initramfs and diff kernel. Aug 25 07:23:03 ie no deps on / Aug 25 07:23:18 * rwhitby considers whether to give c0ns0le|away good information, or a command which will brick the device ... ;) Aug 25 07:24:03 (folks who didn't see the conversation in #touchdroid won't have the context for that) Aug 25 07:24:21 rwhitby: (i'm aware of that, hence it was directed @ you) Aug 25 07:24:26 ;P Aug 25 07:24:54 even went and iptables -F Aug 25 07:25:06 thinking something was blocking access to the hpcat. Aug 25 07:25:47 did everything i could think of to troubleshoot the routing issue. not sure if it's a routing issue or a name resolution issue. Aug 25 07:26:06 either way it's pissing me off lol, i'm down to 2hrs left for sleep here before i have to get up for work. Aug 25 07:26:17 i'm more afraid of my wife than work. Aug 25 07:30:03 c0ns0le|away: "the hp catalog issues" ? Aug 25 07:31:35 I don't think there's anyone that doesn't have issues with the hp catalog from time to time Aug 25 07:35:18 dwc-: thnx. i'm tring to figure the crap out w/o having to dig too deep into everyone eleses knowlege. Aug 25 07:35:22 don't like being spoon fed. Aug 25 07:35:24 c0ns0le|away i talked to the HP chat and they said it's a "known issue with open cases" and should be "fixed soon" Aug 25 07:35:52 does it make sense to overclock the tp for the ubuntu stuff? Aug 25 07:35:59 in many cases, their advice here is right "try again later" Aug 25 07:36:10 but sometimes it's not right either, so... heh Aug 25 07:38:05 dwc-: only issue is my other tp works. Aug 25 07:38:19 Morning Aug 25 07:38:46 whiskey tango foxtrot over. Aug 25 07:39:01 i give up. Aug 25 07:39:09 lol. i'll give it bak to the wife and load the kernl. Aug 25 07:39:11 and patches. Aug 25 07:39:15 tell here it wasn't me. Aug 25 07:40:15 haha Aug 25 07:40:37 the kids trying that right Aug 25 07:41:00 If I need to get the ext3fs partition to mount at boot for my touchpad Aug 25 07:41:06 whats the best way to do that with a mac? Aug 25 07:42:24 look at ahte general manual Aug 25 07:43:07 http://geeknizer.com/install-ubuntu-linux-on-hp-touchpad/ Aug 25 07:47:20 I love all all these Ubuntu tutorials are getting written up Aug 25 07:49:39 rwhitby : which was the "original" website? Aug 25 07:49:52 Technikfreak: the webos-internals wiki Aug 25 07:49:57 ok Aug 25 07:50:18 because later my work is finished i will start asap to install ubuntu on it yeehaa Aug 25 07:50:35 of course most of them are adding value in making it easier for people who have no exposure to webOS at all Aug 25 07:51:00 no its good to stay at the original :-) Aug 25 07:51:18 is optware also good for a try or petter preware with chroot? Aug 25 07:51:32 do both Aug 25 07:52:14 Technikfreak: why wouldn't you do both? Aug 25 07:52:22 jsut have the 16 gb edition Aug 25 07:52:42 and if i do both it takes more ressoruces liek cpu or? Aug 25 07:52:52 both use the same partition Aug 25 07:53:54 ah ok its not like a extra addational thing for ubuntu Aug 25 07:53:59 * Jack87 is finding it hard to believe a TP went out with android on it stock. but suppose it is possible Aug 25 07:54:29 hmm... prefs&acct's greyed out ... Aug 25 07:58:32 Does anyone have trouble loading the HP app Catalog? Aug 25 07:59:00 yeah, all the time. didn't you hear that webOS sucks and nothing ever works ;) Aug 25 07:59:14 evil hulu blocking touchpads Aug 25 07:59:17 *facepalm*, no seriously :( Aug 25 07:59:19 * Jack87 wonders wh Aug 25 07:59:21 why* Aug 25 07:59:28 can't get any apps from the catalog because i get a lame error Aug 25 07:59:43 touchme: what's your error Aug 25 07:59:45 touchme: seriously, yes, errors are not that rare. Aug 25 07:59:48 hmm.... Aug 25 08:00:08 rwhitby: k... point taken, though i'm pissed, my other tp doesn't have issues. Aug 25 08:00:27 *sigh* Aug 25 08:00:37 i just want preader for ebooks, but cant even get that :( Aug 25 08:00:38 sad panda Aug 25 08:00:51 wonder if it has anything to do w/ serials. Aug 25 08:00:53 or passwds. Aug 25 08:01:25 touchme: preader native is on preware Aug 25 08:01:26 My touchpad is being a bitch with signing in/grabbing my data from my account after installing the ext3fs partition Aug 25 08:01:35 is that because the HP servers are being hammered at the moment? Aug 25 08:01:41 ahh kk, i'll go fetch it then <3 Aug 25 08:01:50 touchme: install preware and download native preader its much faster Aug 25 08:02:07 what about the fact that the touchpad can't charge using my laptop's usb? Aug 25 08:02:15 not that it helps you, but the appcat sems to work for me for preader Aug 25 08:02:27 touchme: what about it? Aug 25 08:02:29 is that just me, or must i use the lame adapter that came with box Aug 25 08:02:46 it needs the adapter that came with it and its cord Aug 25 08:02:50 ahh Aug 25 08:03:05 it charges super fast due to the voltage and ampage they put out Aug 25 08:03:07 _cough_ and an electical outlet. Aug 25 08:03:11 touchme: sounds like you did lots of research for your considered purchase ;) Aug 25 08:03:17 lol :) Aug 25 08:03:21 touchme: you can always get a touchstone :) Aug 25 08:03:21 impulsive buy! Aug 25 08:03:31 bought 2 (one for me, and lady friend) lol Aug 25 08:03:37 gotta pick it up at best buy tomorrow Aug 25 08:03:54 rwhitby: I don't think any research was done for that price for most Aug 25 08:03:57 hope said lady friend is friendly. Aug 25 08:04:13 touchme: hehe you better hope their actually there Aug 25 08:04:14 k. i'm tired, and should shutup lol. Aug 25 08:04:19 If not, you can always use her touchpad as a blunt instrument Aug 25 08:04:27 zzzzzzzz Aug 25 08:04:31 lmlfa0 Aug 25 08:04:33 touchme moar! Aug 25 08:04:45 s:to:do:g Aug 25 08:04:45 did you get the native preader? Aug 25 08:05:04 ^_^ _laughing_still_ Aug 25 08:05:06 * Jack87 wishes preader dev owned a touchpad Aug 25 08:05:51 k last nub question, do folks use a screen protector such as invisible shield to cover screen or not? (ive been debating it) :x Aug 25 08:05:58 that way he could work out the bugs much faster rather the relying on end user logs Aug 25 08:06:09 touchme: never used one on my ipad Aug 25 08:06:15 or my iphone Aug 25 08:06:17 doesn't screen get dirty? Aug 25 08:06:23 fingerprinty maybe yes Aug 25 08:06:24 =) Aug 25 08:06:25 (have invisibleshield on iphone) Aug 25 08:06:25 * Jack87 likes screen too much to do such a ding besides its gorilla glass Aug 25 08:07:27 by the way folk... my Costco slip on sleeve case still charges on touchstone Aug 25 08:07:51 it kinda looks generic but I think its made by HP. just no logos on it. and was packaged pretty well with the TP Aug 25 08:08:43 * Jack87 is passed the USB cord is attached to TS... be nice to be detachable and used as a stand if you didn't have the case Aug 25 08:09:18 lol :-x Aug 25 08:09:26 does the screen kinda dim randomly ? :-x Aug 25 08:09:39 took me a min to figure out the two settings for the case stand when horizontal. still haven't mastered vertical Aug 25 08:10:42 touchme: yes. it has auto dim. you can turn it off... I turned it off today because it was bugging the shit out of me in class Aug 25 08:11:04 * rwhitby bbl Aug 25 08:11:11 rwhitby: bye bye Aug 25 08:11:26 (sorry folks, if you haven't deduced it, i just got my toy today :) ) Aug 25 08:11:27 rawr! Aug 25 08:13:04 eh its middle of the night. nice to bullshit Aug 25 08:13:16 always fun to have more fellow webOS users Aug 25 08:13:57 touchme: welcome to the ranks Aug 25 08:14:25 rofl heh Aug 25 08:14:34 it's interesting, i kinda like it Aug 25 08:15:13 * Jack87 thinks keyboard needs card shuffeling/switching and activating... lame that it doesn't have it Aug 25 08:15:14 i figure that the quickest way to learn is to just ask :-x Aug 25 08:15:36 Hm, I wonder if Haskell runs on webOS Aug 25 08:15:37 =) Aug 25 08:15:41 touchme: just play with it. and read. but if you are stuck ya ask Aug 25 08:16:18 zomg: hey whatever happened to Doom? Aug 25 08:16:29 why is the homescreen so naked? :-x Aug 25 08:16:37 No idea, I have Quake on my Pre 2 :D Aug 25 08:16:43 so you can shuffle through your cards Aug 25 08:16:56 and use just type for everything else Aug 25 08:17:30 touchme: where else would your cards go? you can't see the screen when you have cards open anyway. besides you can keep whatever cards you want running Aug 25 08:17:38 and it won't be so naked then :) Aug 25 08:17:53 touchme: use Just Type :) its awesome Aug 25 08:18:44 zomg: ya me to... I just dunno where doom vanished to... is it still in the feeds? and only visible to pre/pre+ via preware? Aug 25 08:18:44 You can keep them open assuming you don't get the dreaded too many cards error :P Aug 25 08:18:53 I sometimes get that error on my Pre 2 with *no cards* open... Aug 25 08:18:54 =) Aug 25 08:19:01 zomg: with custom kernels its rare Aug 25 08:19:09 I see Aug 25 08:19:14 zomg: that has never happened to me on my pre2 Aug 25 08:20:48 For the testing feeds for preware Aug 25 08:20:54 do I need the all feed and the armv7? Aug 25 08:20:58 or just the armv7? Aug 25 08:22:06 2 chans: armv7 and the main one Aug 25 08:22:14 okay thanks Aug 25 08:22:28 when i searching for some linux prgorams to rn on the tp, which arm version should i lok or compile myself? Aug 25 08:23:06 Technikfreak: What are you looking for? A lot fo command line applications are available prepackaged in optware Aug 25 08:23:29 mh but why i should use all the things when i have chroot? Aug 25 08:23:36 just install the optware packages and in the command line use ipkg-opt instal blabla Aug 25 08:23:44 ah ok Aug 25 08:23:47 in chroot? Aug 25 08:23:53 No, on the device natviely Aug 25 08:23:57 in the chroot just use apt Aug 25 08:23:58 ok Aug 25 08:24:11 so i ahve pre ware and optware as like is our cydia Aug 25 08:24:25 Technikfreak: you know how to gain linux access via novaterm right? Aug 25 08:24:25 Essentially Aug 25 08:24:34 yes Aug 25 08:24:52 ok you are golden in that case Aug 25 08:25:11 some ssh/sftp even webserver and dns Aug 25 08:25:48 and than via wget or whatever Aug 25 08:27:38 I don't suppose that there would be any sort of comprehensive list of ARM compatible ubuntu applications Aug 25 08:28:55 so than a try and and error Aug 25 08:29:30 i will see if it works like apt-get install application Aug 25 08:30:16 zottffssen, apt-get update; apt-cache search (put in your search term here) Aug 25 08:30:32 ah okay cool Aug 25 08:30:33 \ Aug 25 08:30:39 Oh just one other thing Aug 25 08:30:41 search for a wildcard or apt selection pattern Aug 25 08:30:45 and you can get a list Aug 25 08:30:55 How long will it take for the chroot to install from preware? Aug 25 08:31:04 It's downloaded Aug 25 08:31:49 all depends on your connetion Aug 25 08:37:54 What's the wildcard operator to use with apt-cache search? Aug 25 08:39:26 zottffssen not sure, try single quoting it to escape the wildcard from the shell. (apt-cache search 'foo*' ) Aug 25 08:40:03 Alright, thanks Aug 25 08:40:13 zottffssen it should be the standard glob characters, I don't think it does regex. Aug 25 08:40:26 man apt-cache Aug 25 08:40:34 and scroll down to the search part Aug 25 08:40:38 :D Aug 25 08:40:46 dwc- now you suggest he use the manual, that's not what real men do! Aug 25 08:40:59 actually, I think apt-cache search uses regexes Aug 25 08:41:06 really? Aug 25 08:41:07 it's aptitude search that has additional patterns Aug 25 08:41:11 that's cool Aug 25 08:41:13 now that I think about it Aug 25 08:43:13 I got my first 3p yestorday Aug 25 08:46:52 who could told me that is the ATT 3p can change gsm module to 3g module? Aug 25 08:51:46 whats the best lightweight gui for ubuntu? Aug 25 08:54:22 twm Aug 25 08:54:24 :D Aug 25 08:55:22 how would I install that? Aug 25 08:55:30 is it just apt-get twm? Aug 25 08:57:46 whatr about lxde Aug 25 08:58:17 dwc- twm is lightweight on features, not on overall weight, that's why fvwm was written. ;) Aug 25 08:58:48 twm is light weight and it is fully functional Aug 25 08:58:53 zottffssen lxde is a good choice, it worked great on my HTC TP2, and it is a lot more modest in hardware than a touchpad. Aug 25 08:59:02 aesthetics is not a design feature Aug 25 08:59:25 I do like things that are pretty though Aug 25 08:59:28 dwc- it is lighter weight than some, but for a light-weight wm, it is not the lightest. Aug 25 08:59:42 the funny thing is, in the last 10+ years, enlightenment has gone from being the fancy eye candy to not anymore, without changing much Aug 25 09:00:02 By pretty I mean clean and minimalist Aug 25 09:00:05 Also Aug 25 09:00:14 dwc- how well does e17 run on the touchpad? Aug 25 09:00:16 If I install a gui that I don't like Aug 25 09:00:22 Can I just uninstall it? Aug 25 09:00:26 sure Aug 25 09:00:28 EdLin: not sure. haven't installed it yet Aug 25 09:00:35 apt-get remove Aug 25 09:00:41 but than don't forget to clean Aug 25 09:00:47 I barely had time to get X and the chroot up today Aug 25 09:00:51 so what's the general consensus Aug 25 09:00:52 apt-get remove --purge Aug 25 09:00:53 that also the unnesaccry relations will go away Aug 25 09:00:58 lxde? Aug 25 09:01:00 no clean neccesary then Aug 25 09:01:01 I use Luna as my desktop manager for the chroot Aug 25 09:01:15 well, if you want to have the deps go away, use aptitude instead of apt-get Aug 25 09:01:55 no esc key Aug 25 09:02:03 aptitude fails Aug 25 09:02:03 zottffssen lxde is a safe bet, but there's plenty more. Aug 25 09:02:17 kk Aug 25 09:02:45 what do you need an escape key for Aug 25 09:03:01 who's using the menu system? :p Aug 25 09:03:29 dwc-, looking for an easy lightweight gui...doesnt' exits Aug 25 09:03:39 s/exits/exist/ Aug 25 09:03:40 ka6sox-away meant: dwc-, looking for an easy lightweight gui...doesnt' exist Aug 25 09:03:50 dwc-: e17 has all the fancy eyecandy... u just have to enable the compositor :) Aug 25 09:04:03 what its doing in fancy eyecandy now is much more subtle Aug 25 09:04:06 blackbox, windowmaker are pretty easy and light-weight Aug 25 09:04:16 its in the edje layer Aug 25 09:04:23 oh, here he is, shilling for his own project ;) Aug 25 09:04:28 hehehe Aug 25 09:04:42 * rrix thinks raster is slightly biased :P Aug 25 09:04:51 I use e17 on a number of platforms...love it...but a WM inside a WM just bugs me. Aug 25 09:05:00 I think I'm using e16 actually Aug 25 09:05:09 I don't think e17 was in debian lenny Aug 25 09:05:18 it isnt Aug 25 09:05:22 thus why u think it hasnt changed Aug 25 09:05:28 it hasn't! Aug 25 09:05:30 as e16 (0.16.8/9) hasnt Aug 25 09:05:36 e17 (which is 0.16.999.XXX) Aug 25 09:05:37 has Aug 25 09:05:39 a lot Aug 25 09:05:47 I think e16 was the current release when I started using enlightenment :P Aug 25 09:05:54 yes Aug 25 09:06:04 and its had maybe 5 or 6 releases over the past 10 years Aug 25 09:06:07 more i think Aug 25 09:06:20 http://www.enlightenment.org/ss/ Aug 25 09:06:21 thats e17 Aug 25 09:06:30 uploads direct from e17's screenshot module Aug 25 09:08:09 so many hw could i decide Aug 25 09:08:16 its got all the soft dropshadowy wobbly fade in and out goop everyone else has Aug 25 09:08:19 bit if one will rock solide i will never change Aug 25 09:08:26 all controleld by theme design Aug 25 09:08:34 raster how's it run on your touchpad? :) Aug 25 09:08:44 i don't know Aug 25 09:08:45 looking good, as always Aug 25 09:08:46 i dont have one Aug 25 09:08:52 lol Aug 25 09:09:06 one of these days I'll get around to updating my debian box Aug 25 09:09:08 but it's on a dozen+ other bits of arm hw floating about Aug 25 09:09:10 here Aug 25 09:09:21 and I'll get e17 up on it Aug 25 09:09:37 dwc- debian boxes never get updated, they only have their time-warp lessened. Aug 25 09:10:02 whaaat, the oldest one I have is only runing etch Aug 25 09:10:10 of course, there are advantages to not being on the bleeding edge. Aug 25 09:10:16 * EdLin has woody CDs here Aug 25 09:10:23 so raster does it work good with vncß Aug 25 09:10:25 but on this galax-s level hw is puts along at a smooth 60fps Aug 25 09:10:57 I have a woody cd somewhere probably Aug 25 09:11:08 I know I tossed the slink ones from linuxworld conventions Aug 25 09:11:18 what was 2.0? Aug 25 09:11:22 hamm Aug 25 09:11:34 okay what came after hamm? Aug 25 09:11:37 slink Aug 25 09:11:37 woody? Aug 25 09:11:38 my first distro was my own. Aug 25 09:11:51 potato, woody, etc Aug 25 09:11:59 it was before slackware, though I could have run manchester interim if I had the patience to uucp it. Aug 25 09:12:04 potato is what I still have running in a few places. Aug 25 09:12:22 ... and I though tI was bad Aug 25 09:12:39 Technikfreak: no idea. i dont use vnc. generally i'd say that anything like vnc that is a pixel pusher is going to work poorly with e - as it pushes pixels uncompressed. Aug 25 09:12:43 nx probably works much better Aug 25 09:12:44 my first distro sucked tho, barely had enough to boot into itself - the shell scripts were primative. Aug 25 09:12:52 2.6.8 kernels....woo Aug 25 09:13:02 I've got a minor problem Aug 25 09:13:08 My keyboard won't show up any more Aug 25 09:13:10 but does nx work for window Aug 25 09:13:19 because I didn't bother writing professional level shell scripts for the init, or cron, or whatever. Aug 25 09:13:21 potato? you sure that wasn't 2.2? Aug 25 09:13:23 or 2.4? Aug 25 09:13:37 2.4.8 sorry Aug 25 09:13:47 I ran kernel 0.95, all of you are newbies. Aug 25 09:13:49 but its *still* ticking... Aug 25 09:14:08 EdLin, probably in linux terms. Aug 25 09:14:16 edlin: was too busy running hp-ux 9.01 at the time ;) Aug 25 09:14:34 dwc- before that I ran microport sysv, tho I didn't have root on that system. Aug 25 09:14:49 it wasn't even sysvr4 Aug 25 09:15:09 I used a 2400bps modem to connect, and all it had was vi as an editor in the shell. Aug 25 09:15:19 I guess the first I ran was tss-8 Aug 25 09:15:20 what happened to ed Aug 25 09:15:34 dwc- I wasn't counting ed and ex Aug 25 09:15:41 ? Aug 25 09:15:53 dwc- ed(1) was present, yes. Aug 25 09:16:02 ed! ed is the standard! Aug 25 09:16:08 yeah. :) Aug 25 09:16:23 vi is just an ed upgrade tho Aug 25 09:16:35 think of it as ed 3.0, with ex as ed 2.0 Aug 25 09:16:36 I thought ex was the ed upgrade :p Aug 25 09:16:50 dwc- true. Aug 25 09:16:53 vi... whole new paradigm... well, sorta. Aug 25 09:16:56 dwc- vi is just an ex mode tho Aug 25 09:17:06 EdLin, I got in late on SysV v3.51 Aug 25 09:17:35 how do I like start lxde? Aug 25 09:17:37 ka6sox-away I don't recall what pre-r4 version microport in '91 was. Aug 25 09:18:00 this was on a unixPC Aug 25 09:18:02 I think it was r3. Aug 25 09:18:09 ka6sox-away AT&T? Aug 25 09:18:09 1985 Aug 25 09:18:12 yup Aug 25 09:18:16 nice Aug 25 09:18:53 !uunet!basic4!ka6sox Aug 25 09:19:12 ka6sox-away ukelele!jlee here Aug 25 09:19:16 in 1985, I think my idea of "using" unix at that point was sitting on dad's lap on the green and black HP terminal connected at 2400 and playing with the 5 cursor keys Aug 25 09:19:51 though, I do remember "using" vi then. I typed a note for my mom, and then he said he'd go back and fix the typos and formatting later Aug 25 09:20:10 after all, who wants to teach a 5 year old how to use vi Aug 25 09:20:15 dwc- you don't play with cursor keys using vi. Aug 25 09:20:20 not on sysv. Aug 25 09:20:22 edlin: this wasn't in vi Aug 25 09:20:25 ah Aug 25 09:20:33 this was "amusing the child by letting them move the cursor around the blank screen" Aug 25 09:20:37 heh Aug 25 09:20:54 I was already 16 years old in '85, I was using an Apple II then tho. Aug 25 09:21:25 just celebrated my 42nd birthday today. Aug 25 09:21:36 happy six times ninth Aug 25 09:21:37 2 carry the 1, divide by 3, I was old enough to drink...by a wide margin. Aug 25 09:23:28 my mouth watered when I saw the tandy model 16s running xenix in the radio shack catalog tho, I already knew what I wanted. ;-) Aug 25 09:23:42 I thik we had 32k of 12bit memory and a .333 MIPS of performance in the PDP8/e Aug 25 09:23:48 well, kind of, xenix kind of sucked. Aug 25 09:24:05 what do you expect from a Microsoft and SCO OS? Aug 25 09:24:06 xenix was awful. Aug 25 09:24:14 on 286's Aug 25 09:24:17 with no MMU Aug 25 09:24:23 yeah. Aug 25 09:24:27 (or did it have one?) Aug 25 09:24:41 can the touchpad mount nfs drives? Aug 25 09:24:42 ka6sox-away I don't know, protected mode was segmented tho Aug 25 09:24:45 286 had segmentation, and a 24 bit physical address space Aug 25 09:24:54 but a paging mmu came in 386 Aug 25 09:25:02 yeah, thought so. Aug 25 09:25:05 jrabbit, I think it may be able to with UK. Aug 25 09:25:07 my first PC was a 386. Aug 25 09:25:13 didn't want to touch them before that. Aug 25 09:25:23 ka6sox-away: UK? Aug 25 09:25:30 Uberkernel Aug 25 09:25:45 ah. Aug 25 09:26:09 the unixPC had a custom MMU of some kind Aug 25 09:26:11 is there any way to check, I know there /proc/fs but thats not applicable is it Aug 25 09:26:19 nope Aug 25 09:26:32 try to mount. Aug 25 09:26:40 heh :) Aug 25 09:26:41 ka6sox-away yeah, I vaguely recall reading something about that in byte or somewhere. Aug 25 09:26:59 wouldn't be hard. lots of early machines had external mmus Aug 25 09:27:05 I eventually had like 2MB of memory. Aug 25 09:27:06 early 68ks did Aug 25 09:27:17 ooh look at that another xterm window Aug 25 09:27:19 fancy :P Aug 25 09:27:23 ka6sox-away my 386 had 4 megs of RAM, pwned. Aug 25 09:27:30 ya, this was 68010 @ 10mhz Aug 25 09:27:43 jesus christ this thign has alot of mounts Aug 25 09:27:50 jrabbit yeah Aug 25 09:28:07 | grep -v jail Aug 25 09:28:09 jrabbit, only if you have a lot of apps open...thats all the fails Aug 25 09:28:11 might need to set up a sshd to really work on it >_> Aug 25 09:28:13 jrabbit someone discussed that here earlier, apparently palm likes mounts. Aug 25 09:28:34 iirc that was partitions. Aug 25 09:28:45 and some of those are dictated by the architecutre Aug 25 09:28:53 not apps open... apps that have run since last reboot Aug 25 09:29:00 yeah, partitoned, mounts, it's 5am here, can't remember. ;-) Aug 25 09:29:01 oh right Aug 25 09:29:24 my tp remains DARK about 80% of the time...but its still working away. Aug 25 09:29:32 (unless I'm using Tide) Aug 25 09:30:56 yeah it doesn't have nfs support in the default kernel Aug 25 09:30:58 >_> Aug 25 09:31:06 nope Aug 25 09:31:07 thats kind of silly Aug 25 09:31:16 why? Aug 25 09:31:28 well it'd only be like a few kb :P Aug 25 09:31:29 its not necesary for normal users. Aug 25 09:31:39 and make debugging nice Aug 25 09:31:55 anyone know what unity is like on the touchpad? Aug 25 09:32:00 though I guess the nfs server might be a bit heftier then the client support Aug 25 09:32:10 99% of the users don't know what NFS is, probably Aug 25 09:32:42 dwc-: I think android doesn't strip it out oddly enough :P Aug 25 09:32:58 maybe only 1% of the 1% would even want to NFS mount anything onto or from teh touchpad and would actually do it Aug 25 09:33:33 dwc-: yeah but thats not whos going to be using it :P Aug 25 09:33:47 anywho how dangerous is it to loadout a new kernel? Aug 25 09:34:01 russian roullet :-) Aug 25 09:34:02 and isn't there just a nfs kernel module? Aug 25 09:34:12 nfs client and nfs server, yes, and userspace server Aug 25 09:34:23 and I'm 90% sure I've seen a fuse nfs client out there too Aug 25 09:34:30 nfs client isn't enabled as a module in stock Aug 25 09:34:38 its built in (I believe) in UK. Aug 25 09:35:01 ka6sox-away: I know but couldn't someone or (me!) wrap it up in a package? Aug 25 09:35:01 and I'm not a fan of running around with open NFS servers. Aug 25 09:35:11 its not an external module Aug 25 09:35:12 * jrabbit wants the client mostly Aug 25 09:35:18 ka6sox-away you mean I have to go to England to get a touchpad with NFS? ;-) Aug 25 09:35:25 ka6sox-away: I'm positive it can be built that way. Aug 25 09:35:41 nope Aug 25 09:35:45 UberKernel Aug 25 09:35:55 I know, couldn't resist. ;-) Aug 25 09:35:55 jrabbit, never done it that way so dunno Aug 25 09:36:10 I just build in what I want (unless I'm testing) Aug 25 09:36:30 and memboot it. Aug 25 09:37:48 if it blows up....pull the battery Aug 25 09:38:12 while you're in UK, pick up some pre3s, thanks Aug 25 09:38:28 @ $500USD thats a bit steep. Aug 25 09:38:30 dwc- and some touchpads with nfs. Aug 25 09:38:34 ka6sox-away: wheres the battery? :P Aug 25 09:38:44 * jrabbit is on a touchpad Aug 25 09:39:06 jrabbit, ya, the TP/Veer are special hard cases. Aug 25 09:39:26 :( Aug 25 09:39:37 Oh is veer the codename for it? I never followed that Aug 25 09:39:45 no, veer is the tiny phone Aug 25 09:39:47 I learned how you *may* try to recover Aug 25 09:39:49 ah Aug 25 09:40:01 it'd be nice if "trust always" actually meant always for invalid SSL certs in the browser Aug 25 09:40:14 "Why would you want to use a FUSE when you have an existing NFS Aug 25 09:40:15 implementation in the kernel?" Aug 25 09:40:16 haha Aug 25 09:40:42 fuse is for cryptofs Aug 25 09:41:05 makes switching your TP/* into "USB MODE" possible Aug 25 09:41:08 fuse is for people who aren't living in the UK. Aug 25 09:41:11 (thats from a fuse or nfs mailinglist :P) Aug 25 09:41:35 its actually quite nice.... Aug 25 09:41:58 SIGUSR1 the cryptofs and it suspends stuff... Aug 25 09:42:07 SIGUSR2 and its back. Aug 25 09:42:17 thats quite nice actually Aug 25 09:42:46 * EdLin kill -9s kernel modules because he can't remember SIGUSR? Aug 25 09:43:07 EdLin, this isnt' kernle Aug 25 09:43:11 its fuse Aug 25 09:43:24 tho I guess with a modern userland, you can use the symbolic representation Aug 25 09:43:28 ka6sox-away ah, forgot. Aug 25 09:43:49 user-land filesystems, duh. Aug 25 09:44:22 hmph. Aug 25 09:44:35 also what uses the camera on the touchpad? Aug 25 09:44:44 jrabbit skype Aug 25 09:44:47 it doesn't ship with a camera for testing it out Aug 25 09:44:56 *camera app Aug 25 09:45:09 coudl i use the cam also in chroot? Aug 25 09:45:27 Technikfreak, unknown Aug 25 09:45:35 I haven't seen a API for it yet Aug 25 09:45:36 Technikfreak: if its exposed as a /dev device and it has V4L stuff loaded maybe Aug 25 09:46:10 * jrabbit laughs at how many ttys its spawned Aug 25 09:46:26 yeah Aug 25 09:46:33 but i got also sometimes for my netbook rpoblem Aug 25 09:46:57 heres soem /dev/video devices. Aug 25 09:47:01 t* Aug 25 09:47:31 ka6sox-away: lemme try to insmod first Aug 25 09:48:11 also how is the facebook app gettign away without supporting groups? even the horrid fb app on android tries :P Aug 25 09:48:43 bah :( Aug 25 09:49:10 ka6sox-away: is there a better supported remote media method? Aug 25 09:50:38 CIFS works. Aug 25 09:51:54 if I could find some time I'd see if I could get sshfs working Aug 25 09:53:04 ah that might work too Aug 25 09:58:12 its slow, its clunky, but it works and is secure Aug 25 10:01:21 heh Aug 25 10:03:46 where is the xterm/xserve devel going on? Aug 25 10:03:57 in git Aug 25 10:04:04 and right here Aug 25 10:04:15 well I mean what repo is it on github? :) Aug 25 10:04:31 not on github Aug 25 10:04:39 git.webos-internals.org Aug 25 10:05:29 ah :) Aug 25 10:05:47 * jrabbit totally wants them to steal the connectbot irssi featureset :) Aug 25 10:06:39 oh thats what novaterm is Aug 25 10:06:42 >_> Aug 25 10:07:15 yeah we desperately need a good terminal on here Aug 25 10:07:42 lonequid: theres a really experimental non-tty terminal that runs on nodejs and webkit, termkit Aug 25 10:08:11 iirc you can't run screen or irssi well in it but its nice for other stuff Aug 25 10:08:23 can you send modifier keys Aug 25 10:08:23 and may be easy to bring over with node already on webos Aug 25 10:08:52 i wouldn't mind using the setup i have now except the stupid browser nags me about the ssl being invalid every few seconds and won't listen to "trust always" Aug 25 10:08:57 lonequid: it doesn't no but it renders in jaavscript :P Aug 25 10:09:09 so it'd be easy to hack Aug 25 10:09:57 ka6sox-away: any idea if the tp does/will support the pc charging mechancism that apple likes to use? Aug 25 10:10:19 shellinabox runs fine in the browser and that's js based Aug 25 10:10:25 i just need to supress the damn security warnings Aug 25 10:10:25 jrabbit, since I don't use an i(product) I can't tell you. Aug 25 10:11:26 ka6sox-away: well its just an augmented voltage for the usb port if the deivce requqests it Aug 25 10:11:38 since it doesn't seem to charge off the computer Aug 25 10:12:03 lonequid: termkit is way more out there :P Aug 25 10:12:28 https://github.com/unconed/TermKit http://acko.net/blog/on-termkit Aug 25 10:12:43 jrabbit, haven't torn one apart to find out how it ticks yet :D Aug 25 10:13:56 Can anyone give me a hand? Aug 25 10:14:06 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Serial_Bus#Power Aug 25 10:14:07 I installed the Unity GUI but it won't launch Aug 25 10:14:15 "Battery Charging Specification" is the new name lol Aug 25 10:14:15 Gives me a few errors Aug 25 10:16:32 ka6sox-away: hm looks like it probably does use the higher power chrarge but my mac is too old to do it >_> Aug 25 10:16:35 lovely :P Aug 25 10:17:28 the USB/Charging port can take 5.3V@2A (as that is what the charger that came with it is capable of) Aug 25 10:18:54 A Dedicated Charging Port can supply a maximum of 1.8 A of current at 5.25 V. Aug 25 10:18:57 :P Aug 25 10:18:57 it uses it Aug 25 10:19:08 it may not be asking for it on my mac too Aug 25 10:19:26 I don't have an iDevice that would suck that much power or no way to test really Aug 25 10:21:15 since the Mac Spec is 500ma like most non-charger ports I doubt *any* of ours could do it. Aug 25 10:21:45 huh? Aug 25 10:21:49 jrabbit it would rock if termkit was available on the touchpad. :) Aug 25 10:22:05 ka6sox-away: no they've implemented upgrading their usb ports to that Aug 25 10:22:15 if the device requests it and the machine can do it Aug 25 10:22:24 okay so they tie both the TX and RX line together? Aug 25 10:22:37 ka6sox-away: I don't know you'd have to read the spec Aug 25 10:22:39 and tell the device its a "charger" not a USB port? Aug 25 10:23:00 they tell it thats its ok to suck power as if it were yes Aug 25 10:23:17 the spec says thats how you tell it you are a charger Aug 25 10:23:24 then yes Aug 25 10:23:25 :) Aug 25 10:23:46 in which case you *can't* use it as a USB port during that time. Aug 25 10:23:49 HP has its charger to be the new style charger clearly Aug 25 10:23:53 ka6sox-away: yes... Aug 25 10:24:04 thats why it has to negotiate it from what I can tell Aug 25 10:24:21 okay.that makes more sense then Aug 25 10:24:32 :) Aug 25 10:24:46 so you would have to unplug the device and then replug it to get USB functionality back. Aug 25 10:24:57 I think so Aug 25 10:25:05 or stop charging and send a message Aug 25 10:25:06 there is *no* other way to do it. Aug 25 10:25:28 ka6sox-away: they might disconenct it software side. Aug 25 10:25:37 i.e. an eject Aug 25 10:25:37 how? Aug 25 10:25:43 ka6sox-away: unpower the hub Aug 25 10:25:46 :P Aug 25 10:26:02 how would the device know to disconnect it? Aug 25 10:26:20 I don't know but I know Apple has it working with ip* devices and their new machines Aug 25 10:26:33 okay. Aug 25 10:26:45 maybe they are USB 3 or something...dunno that spec Aug 25 10:26:54 they have some usb tools to snoop with if you get your hands on one :P Aug 25 10:27:03 ka6sox-away: its not usb3 Aug 25 10:27:18 since my wife has a new Mini I may look @ that. Aug 25 10:27:27 its the charging spec that came out in 2009 that they'reu sing Aug 25 10:27:28 hp is too Aug 25 10:27:50 just in their wall charger and they may not be using an open negotiation method Aug 25 10:28:05 i.e. a proprietary check for that EXACT charger type Aug 25 10:28:12 I *know* how its being done. Aug 25 10:28:24 the USB Gadget code says how its done. Aug 25 10:28:57 it looks for the data lines to be shorted together. Aug 25 10:29:07 how badly will gnome run on the touchpad? Aug 25 10:29:27 how well does it run on a netbook? Aug 25 10:29:41 Not sure lol Aug 25 10:30:13 it wouldn't be what I would put on a netbook...and a Tablet isn't any more powerful than that. Aug 25 10:30:21 ka6sox-away: the tp is way more powerful then atom netbooks :P Aug 25 10:30:31 atoms are single core x86 Aug 25 10:30:31 in some ways. Aug 25 10:30:34 iirc Aug 25 10:30:44 or wait no they made soem multicore ones didn't they Aug 25 10:30:59 Btw I found a GUI called unity Aug 25 10:31:04 you know..its not polite to be sticking your tongue out at people all the time. Aug 25 10:31:12 and I installed it but I couldn't run it Aug 25 10:31:28 zottffssen, never used it Aug 25 10:31:40 I have used E17 and it worked fine Aug 25 10:31:40 okay Aug 25 10:31:47 habits die hard. Aug 25 10:32:01 does webos do any kind of network file sharing? Aug 25 10:32:12 nvm found thread Aug 25 10:32:20 zottffssen, I have heard reports that lxde and others *do* work Aug 25 10:32:38 I had lode on it before but I didn't like it Aug 25 10:32:52 I stopped @ E17 and decided not to use any X11 WM Aug 25 10:33:44 jrabbit, video on some of the netbooks is far better than the TP. Aug 25 10:34:04 and there has been a LOT of work dumped into those Aug 25 10:34:09 ka6sox-away: don't they have an integratedvideo system on those intel platforms? Aug 25 10:34:15 ka6sox-away: do you like E17? is it good? Aug 25 10:34:27 zottffssen, I use it on.... Aug 25 10:34:41 4 systems I have within my view right now Aug 25 10:34:49 Ah okay Aug 25 10:34:58 Well I shall give it a try Aug 25 10:35:42 jrabbit, the N10's have respectable video...it has direct northbridge access to memory via its *own* bus. Aug 25 10:36:19 yeah I know they've made integrated video not terrible :) Aug 25 10:36:54 this is the same way...but afaict (from the limited data I can see on this MSM part) it does NOT. Aug 25 10:37:52 also...there hasn't been the time that the X series of Video has had to mature. Aug 25 10:37:53 ooh fancy bash colors :P Aug 25 10:38:26 so can you run a wm on the webos x11? Aug 25 10:38:55 I guess we could use a virtual keyboard too :P Aug 25 10:38:56 did I *not* just say I have used Enlightenment 17 on a Chroot on the TP? Aug 25 10:39:03 oh Aug 25 10:39:20 I followed that vaguely :P Aug 25 10:39:29 see hard to kill that habit Aug 25 10:39:38 hhehe Aug 25 10:39:45 but kill it you must. Aug 25 10:39:56 ka6sox-away: and you're not really away Aug 25 10:40:19 and I said I *like* E17...use it all the time. Aug 25 10:40:20 hmm wirc doesnt seem to like being fjoined to channels Aug 25 10:40:42 however I don't like running a WM inside a WM Aug 25 10:40:43 why'd you run it in a chroot instead of on webos? Aug 25 10:41:16 built binaries via apt? Aug 25 10:41:34 because it has a WM called Luna already? and its integrated into the OS so much that you can't really kill it? Aug 25 10:41:59 ah well Aug 25 10:42:03 that is what makes WebOS...WebOS. Aug 25 10:44:53 I prefer to call X11 apps directly rather than use a WM or X-Term to make things happen. Aug 25 10:45:32 but only apps I *know* work on the device. Aug 25 10:45:42 does that even work? Aug 25 10:45:55 calling x11 apps into luna? Aug 25 10:46:34 no, I use a modified xecutah to bring up the X-server and then assign the app to the X-server Aug 25 10:47:51 so what does that do? Aug 25 10:48:00 ka6sox: I forget does that end up duplicating resources that X needs or does it know to multiplex (is that the right word?) Aug 25 10:48:28 it it creates multiple Xsdl sessions Aug 25 10:48:43 but each app is in its *own* card. Aug 25 10:48:52 and it lets luna control focus Aug 25 10:48:55 omg thats awesome Aug 25 10:49:10 is it easy to use or really advanced stuff? Aug 25 10:49:10 ka6sox: well I mean does x handle that properly? Aug 25 10:49:25 jrabbit, what are you asking? Aug 25 10:49:47 "can u run more than 1 x without it breaking" Aug 25 10:49:48 the x server doesn't care Aug 25 10:49:54 yes Aug 25 10:49:54 (yes u can) Aug 25 10:50:07 ka6sox: i.e. is it spawning 5 servers for 5 applications or 5 views/ports/ whatever x11 calls them Aug 25 10:50:24 (as long as each xserver is given which number to use/take and the DISPLAY env set up right for the app) Aug 25 10:50:28 I just start different x servers on display=:X Aug 25 10:50:45 ka6sox: so if you ran chrome, it would be like a native app? Aug 25 10:50:49 only thing u need to do is allocate the display number right Aug 25 10:50:49 so first one gets :0, second gets :1 etc Aug 25 10:50:51 (for x) Aug 25 10:50:57 raster, right Aug 25 10:50:58 can someone tell me what "lsusb" returns when they have a pre2 plugged in? Aug 25 10:51:06 ka6sox: shouldn't you be using a x11 multiplexer then? Aug 25 10:51:07 therei's a limit to how many x will handle from memory Aug 25 10:51:13 it may be 16 or 256 or 128or something Aug 25 10:51:34 i've never gotten close to those limits to care to know what it is Aug 25 10:51:35 :) Aug 25 10:51:38 raster, I don't expect to go more then 3-4 on a TP and maybe 2 on a Phone. Aug 25 10:51:44 yeah Aug 25 10:52:12 ka6sox: is it simple enough for me to be able to do? Aug 25 10:52:22 zottffssen, nope Aug 25 10:52:27 mine is severely hacked Aug 25 10:53:03 so things like chrome seem like they're native apps? Aug 25 10:53:11 until I figure out enough mojo to keep track of the x-server/app combos and when one dies to free up that display # Aug 25 10:53:18 we'll put it in Xecutah once we stop getting interrupted by fire sales and android folk ;) Aug 25 10:53:31 zottffssen, yes Aug 25 10:53:38 omg want Aug 25 10:53:51 zottffssen, the code is in git Aug 25 10:53:56 have at :D Aug 25 10:54:15 alright ill take a look for like 5 seconds then give up lol Aug 25 10:55:16 the other thing is just becuase somebody makes blender compile and run on an ARM doesnt' mean its suitable for running on a TP. Aug 25 10:55:35 so not *every* app will be able to run that way Aug 25 10:55:38 or should Aug 25 10:55:44 ka6sox: Xephyr mgiht be what I'm thinking of actually Aug 25 10:55:53 jrabbit, kk Aug 25 10:56:25 so ones that are *known* to work will on a Y device might show up as apps for xecutah. Aug 25 10:56:31 its a betetr xnest but I'm not sure it'd take the badness out of running multiple x11 displays when all you want are multiple windows Aug 25 10:56:32 ka6sox: u have gl working in xsdl? Aug 25 10:56:38 (accelerated) Aug 25 10:56:53 raster, thats a dtzWill question Aug 25 10:57:04 my guess is "no" :) Aug 25 10:57:14 as u'd have to write a gl on gles emulation layer Aug 25 10:57:16 or find one Aug 25 10:57:26 and then handle all the dri/drm goop too and so on to make it all work Aug 25 10:57:30 i imagine it doesnt Aug 25 10:57:30 :) Aug 25 10:57:41 it'd require serious work to make it happy Aug 25 10:57:51 I looked @ that for an SoC once...gave up Aug 25 10:57:57 it was a MESS. Aug 25 10:58:22 ka6sox: you'll probably do an epic face palm, but can I just grab the files straight from git onto my TP, or does it need compiling first? Aug 25 10:58:40 zottffssen, sure Aug 25 10:58:40 * raster facepalms for ka6sox Aug 25 10:58:49 install optware Aug 25 10:58:54 install git Aug 25 10:59:09 ah okay Aug 25 10:59:33 copy the link at the bottom of the git.webos-internals.org webpage that has what you want to get from git and have at Aug 25 11:00:04 if you are serious then install Tide too Aug 25 11:00:20 ill give it a try Aug 25 11:00:25 kk Aug 25 11:00:25 Whats TIde? Aug 25 11:00:43 oh an ide Aug 25 11:00:44 nice Aug 25 11:00:47 A laundry Soap? Aug 25 11:01:08 very nice! Aug 25 11:01:22 is there git support in it? Aug 25 11:01:30 no.... Aug 25 11:01:32 :\ Aug 25 11:01:41 thats too bad since there isn't a good terminal Aug 25 11:01:42 I use Tide/Xterm Aug 25 11:03:18 so I'm sure you guys have seen those "offline wikipedia" memory cards (correct me if I'm wrong) that people were selling on ebay... Aug 25 11:03:20 but then I'm mostly poking shell scripts or attempting to blow up .js files Aug 25 11:03:44 I wonder how hard it would be to do the same thing in enyo... Aug 25 11:03:45 Ironsight, waaay off the reservationn :D Aug 25 11:03:55 caching..maybe... Aug 25 11:03:58 the entire thing? Aug 25 11:04:00 dunno Aug 25 11:04:03 yeah, you cna download the entire cache Aug 25 11:04:03 do what in enyo? Aug 25 11:04:11 make a viewer for the cache Aug 25 11:04:16 oh sorry missed that Aug 25 11:04:17 that runs on local memory Aug 25 11:04:25 Ironsight: sounds not too hard Aug 25 11:04:37 except mediawiki is written in PhP Aug 25 11:04:42 Ironsight: if you write a compression backend in c/node Aug 25 11:04:44 that's what I was thinking, a sort of hitchhiker's guide for offline use Aug 25 11:04:56 ka6sox: nono, they make offline copies that don't need it Aug 25 11:05:02 they're just html or a compressed file Aug 25 11:05:22 I think you basically pull the picture free version of the cache Aug 25 11:05:26 sounds like something for my Nook Color Aug 25 11:05:29 not a TP. Aug 25 11:05:29 they make a cd and dvd for educational use in areas with hit/miss power/internet Aug 25 11:05:51 why not a tp? Aug 25 11:06:09 because the Nook can accept the SD card Aug 25 11:06:14 Ironsight: I've seen some intresting projects with those, you could definitely make an offlike wiki browser that'd be nice Aug 25 11:06:38 how would that deal with wikilinks? Aug 25 11:06:39 Ironsight: the hard part would be using the compressed formats some other projects use Aug 25 11:06:47 ka6sox: dude this isn't a new problem Aug 25 11:06:58 http://wikipediaondvd.com/ Aug 25 11:07:04 jrabbit, your tone isn't nice. Aug 25 11:07:48 ka6sox: because I'm nix-tarded, can you make it a bit simpler? Aug 25 11:07:56 I installed optware bootstrap yeah Aug 25 11:07:58 could use... zlib to compress Aug 25 11:08:05 how what? Aug 25 11:08:36 Ironsight: have you seen the existing readers? Aug 25 11:08:38 * Ironsight was talking about the wikipedia thing Aug 25 11:08:44 jrabbit, no Aug 25 11:08:47 * jrabbit is digging for the ones i've seen Aug 25 11:08:59 I've only read some stories of how to build your own Aug 25 11:09:26 how to parse all the raw data and such Aug 25 11:09:43 zottffssen, you would need to install xecutah + xterm then you can get a shell and ipkg-opt install git-core Aug 25 11:09:56 Ah I see Aug 25 11:09:59 Okay Aug 25 11:10:48 jrabbit, that project has 1988 articles of over 3,714,000 articles that are on wikipedia....its not even a drop in the bucket. Aug 25 11:11:08 Ironsight: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Database_download#Static_HTML_tree_dumps_for_mirroring_or_CD_distribution Aug 25 11:11:41 I look forward to the app submission Aug 25 11:12:13 Ironsight: Kiwix looks like the project i remember skimming when I was looking to use a wikisource dump as a corpus for markov stuff Aug 25 11:12:41 Ironsight: http://www.kiwix.org/index.php/Main_Page Aug 25 11:13:16 oh nice! Aug 25 11:13:22 Ironsight: you'd have to make a bit of a UI shell maybe but they have a compressed backend and such Aug 25 11:13:29 ka6sox: it gave me an error and wouldn't do it Aug 25 11:13:34 do Aug 25 11:13:43 i need bash installed or any other utilities? Aug 25 11:14:05 Ironsight: anywho you can make it awesome, you've got shoulders of giants etc on your side here :) Aug 25 11:14:22 sounds better than my sdl crap I was working on Aug 25 11:14:37 (was having issues setting up the compiler) Aug 25 11:15:05 zottffssen, I'm wrong...for optware they just call it git Aug 25 11:15:14 ah okay Aug 25 11:15:19 Ironsight: yeah you probably don't need to go beyond using a system service I think is what they're called Aug 25 11:15:23 most distros use git-core Aug 25 11:15:37 (well the ones I use anyways) Aug 25 11:16:06 Ironsight: so it's more of an MVC type situation Aug 25 11:16:35 is there an easier way to edit the user dictionary/shortcuts besides the gui? Aug 25 11:16:43 id love to just import this list of contractions instead of adding them all myself Aug 25 11:17:00 * ka6sox wonders if impostah can do that. Aug 25 11:18:42 zottffssen, I generally *do* install bash as BB shell is rather limited Aug 25 11:18:46 however.... Aug 25 11:19:02 a lot of what I write has to use the native shell ;( Aug 25 11:19:06 is it safe to set the shell for root? Aug 25 11:19:33 Okay, now it says that ipkg-opt isn't a valid command Aug 25 11:19:35 ffs Aug 25 11:19:44 stupid thing what am i doing wrong now Aug 25 11:20:00 /opt/bin/ipkg-opt iirc Aug 25 11:20:11 ahhh Aug 25 11:20:12 okay Aug 25 11:20:27 did you create a ext3fs partion? Aug 25 11:20:39 Yeah of course Aug 25 11:20:43 I'm not that stupid Aug 25 11:21:03 okay there *is* another way for it to work with a loop image Aug 25 11:21:09 thats why I asked Aug 25 11:21:30 what does: mount | grep opt give you? Aug 25 11:21:45 mount | grep opt Aug 25 11:22:19 I want to see that it has /opt bind mounted to /media/ext3fs/opt Aug 25 11:22:29 a whole bunch of usage commands Aug 25 11:22:55 mount | grep opt ? Aug 25 11:22:59 yeah Aug 25 11:23:44 wait Aug 25 11:24:07 that character between mount and grep is the vertical bar above the backslash right? Aug 25 11:24:16 yes Aug 25 11:24:22 "pipe" Aug 25 11:24:26 yeah that doesn't return anything Aug 25 11:25:24 df -h /opt Aug 25 11:26:17 the result of that will tell me what is happening Aug 25 11:26:37 tells me Aug 25 11:26:41 Filesystem Aug 25 11:26:52 Size 4.0G Aug 25 11:26:56 Used 2.2G Aug 25 11:27:00 etc Aug 25 11:27:04 okay thats good Aug 25 11:27:05 Mounted on / Aug 25 11:27:10 is that okay? Aug 25 11:27:16 yep Aug 25 11:27:32 that means it is actually using the ext3fs for its storage Aug 25 11:27:38 ah okay Aug 25 11:27:57 and what does ls /opt/bin give you? Aug 25 11:28:19 no such file or directory Aug 25 11:28:34 hmmm Aug 25 11:28:39 okay Aug 25 11:28:47 how about ls /opt/sbin Aug 25 11:28:56 damnit, did hp restock lastnight, and i miss the selloff. Aug 25 11:28:57 same Aug 25 11:29:14 is that the problem? Aug 25 11:29:22 so far it looks like it Aug 25 11:29:46 so what does that mean? Aug 25 11:29:56 that Optware isn't properly installed? Aug 25 11:30:07 does not appear to be installed properly Aug 25 11:30:17 how do I fix it? Aug 25 11:31:26 at 4;26am I am fading fast. Aug 25 11:31:37 alright lol Aug 25 11:31:54 I'll find a way on my own or wait till later or something Aug 25 11:32:01 but uninstall and reinstall see if it puts ipkg-opt in eitehr /opt/bin or /opt/sbin Aug 25 11:32:10 okay Aug 25 11:32:29 sorry, my TP is in a different mode right now and I am not able to install optware currently Aug 25 11:32:48 is there a reason not to use the ipkg in /usr/bin? Aug 25 11:33:06 because it installs things in the wrong place? Aug 25 11:33:33 and *may* damage your rootfs? Aug 25 11:34:05 hmm ok, what is preware using? Aug 25 11:34:20 ipkg-opt list_installed != preware/installed packaged Aug 25 11:34:22 *s Aug 25 11:34:39 correct. there are actually three different ipkg databases on your device Aug 25 11:35:15 well preware doesn't even see git so I used ipkg-opt but I figured preware woudl manage it >_> Aug 25 11:35:45 ipkg-opt is ipkg for *optware* Aug 25 11:35:54 and installs things in the /opt tree Aug 25 11:36:01 is there a guide on compiling the apps from the git repo? Aug 25 11:36:24 well preware has a list of optware too that isn't the same as ipkg-opt :) Aug 25 11:36:32 correct. Aug 25 11:36:46 delightfully confusing isn't it? Aug 25 11:36:50 yes Aug 25 11:37:03 rwhitby: well I don't really weant duplicated dependencies Aug 25 11:37:11 ipkg = rootfs, ipkg-opt = /opt, ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/app = apps Aug 25 11:37:28 the completely separate areas Aug 25 11:37:30 hm Aug 25 11:37:34 s/the/three/ Aug 25 11:37:34 rwhitby meant: three completely separate areas Aug 25 11:37:55 that should be /media/cryptofs/apps Aug 25 11:38:02 so what is preware using? Aug 25 11:38:08 apps Aug 25 11:38:12 ah Aug 25 11:38:16 same as the app catalog Aug 25 11:38:43 optware is for packages and utiliites that are NOT in either catalog. Aug 25 11:38:57 So all I need to install is Optware Bootstrap? Aug 25 11:39:16 that should get you the dependency you need to install git Aug 25 11:39:17 I don't need the advanced CL Installer? Aug 25 11:39:24 odd. Aug 25 11:39:27 wait Aug 25 11:39:52 ya, why are those 2 separate packages...dunno...the cli is what is missing. Aug 25 11:40:07 rwhitby: so installed bash via preware and its in /opt why isn't it in ipkg-opt? :P Aug 25 11:40:23 odd Aug 25 11:40:27 so get both to be safe? Aug 25 11:40:27 I guess I just go for the ssh server and it installs the dependencies Aug 25 11:40:44 rwhitby: what I'm getting at si what would I use to use preware stuff on the cli? Aug 25 11:40:48 iirc if you install the cli it will install the bootstrap. Aug 25 11:40:58 yeah it does Aug 25 11:41:02 since its a dependency Aug 25 11:41:07 jrabbit: you wouldn't Aug 25 11:41:19 oh ok Aug 25 11:41:26 jrabbit: if you want a package that's in Preware, install it from Preware. Aug 25 11:41:38 if you want a package that ipkg-opt lists, install it with ipkg-opt Aug 25 11:42:34 iirc git isn't in preware Aug 25 11:42:43 but it *is* in optware Aug 25 11:43:03 correct Aug 25 11:43:04 just did /opt/bin Aug 25 11:43:06 didn't work Aug 25 11:43:29 did you look for it in either /opt/bin or /opt/sbin? Aug 25 11:43:45 I typed both Aug 25 11:43:53 like the directories Aug 25 11:44:19 I dont' have a /media/ext3fs partition right now Aug 25 11:45:04 I suppose I could run test #94 to see if the scripts are idempotent and create one Aug 25 11:45:40 well you can just tell me what to run and I can tell you the output Aug 25 11:46:04 run the ls on both directories Aug 25 11:46:36 okay what? Aug 25 11:47:01 do you find ipkg-opt listed in either of those? Aug 25 11:47:29 what do you want me to run? Aug 25 11:47:38 The directories say they don't exist Aug 25 11:47:52 ?? Aug 25 11:48:09 ls /opt/bin is not found? Aug 25 11:48:13 "No such file or directory" Aug 25 11:48:28 same with sbin Aug 25 11:48:45 okay, this is more than my sleep deprived brain can troubleshoot right now. Aug 25 11:49:12 lol okay Aug 25 11:49:21 does preware show both the advanced CLI and the bootstrap installed? Aug 25 11:49:29 yes Aug 25 11:49:55 Yep Aug 25 11:50:41 is there a vnc alternative which runs fast? Aug 25 11:50:44 in tp? Aug 25 12:35:48 hey does anyone know Aug 25 12:35:56 if the box.net account could be activated from a german Aug 25 12:36:02 account also Aug 25 12:36:02 are there any news on hp touchpad / linux? Aug 25 12:36:08 Technikfreak: yes Aug 25 12:36:14 yes or no? Aug 25 12:36:17 Technikfreak: it works Aug 25 12:36:21 good Aug 25 12:36:32 and what info did you need from linux Aug 25 12:36:34 Technikfreak: funny thing is i tried mounting it with boxfs just in that moment :) Aug 25 12:37:05 Technikfreak: how do you mean that? Aug 25 12:37:28 in what kind you mean more info Aug 25 12:37:40 just an email-address + password Aug 25 12:38:09 btw, you can create more than just one account from your touchpad (with 50GB each) Aug 25 12:40:24 really Aug 25 12:41:04 so coool Aug 25 12:41:30 hm. no log muffler patches for webos 2.2 Aug 25 12:41:32 sadface Aug 25 12:42:48 directhex: no doctor yet Aug 25 12:42:59 rwhitby, also sadface Aug 25 12:51:16 is there notifio or growl support? Aug 25 12:51:51 * jrabbit could probably work on that pretty easy probably, notifio atleast Aug 25 12:58:27 * loswillios would like a google-music app :) Aug 25 12:59:14 heh Aug 25 12:59:23 i think googlesouldhave to write that Aug 25 12:59:55 yeah Aug 25 12:59:57 is it possible to have python as a dependency or preware stuff? Aug 25 13:00:07 fortunately the website is somewhat usable Aug 25 13:01:20 i am supposed to be packing for college but some hacking would be nice Aug 25 13:01:56 iw there a definitive todo app that most people use? bonus points if its foss Aug 25 13:02:17 ive been writing a sync server for a few different apps Aug 25 13:04:30 anyone know of a SIP app in the works? i totally need SIP for work Aug 25 13:07:33 directhex: rwhitby-tp may know, but you first have to look in PreCentral for the linphone thread Aug 25 13:07:38 and follow the instructions there Aug 25 13:09:34 NuttyBunny, that looks perfect Aug 25 13:10:57 NuttyBunny, and the instructions seem to be "ask about it in #webos-internals", so i'm already ahead of the curve :p Aug 25 13:12:21 hah Aug 25 13:12:46 ... and make yourself known in the #webos-internals IRC channel. ;) Aug 25 13:17:57 awesome, seems happily connected to the company Freeswitch server, and an outgoing call worked Aug 25 13:18:19 directhex: nice! Aug 25 13:18:35 i should test incoming Aug 25 13:19:30 who wants to call me to test? :p Aug 25 13:24:38 so whats the process of packaging for preware? Aug 25 13:26:15 still in alpha testing Aug 25 13:26:38 when it's ready, it'll be packaged Aug 25 13:27:04 build.git is how we do it Aug 25 13:28:48 well basically i want to get python 2.7 & 3.2 (maybe) in preware so i could depend on them if I write any backends with it Aug 25 13:43:17 just tested call-in, that works too Aug 25 13:43:32 a ringtone would be useful, though Aug 25 13:45:49 anyone had any luck hex editing the cfl Aug 25 13:46:03 flash version string Aug 25 13:46:24 to get around the new July touchpad blockade? Aug 25 13:46:42 *Hulu Aug 25 13:47:01 i'm a brit, we have an everything blockade on hulu Aug 25 13:47:31 yeah imagine you'd need a proxy for that Aug 25 13:48:11 stupid companies not wanting free ad dollars Aug 25 14:22:22 empty in here... Aug 25 14:23:09 yeah, nobody online Aug 25 14:23:33 so, what do I do on Linux when I get "novacom $* -t open tty://0" → "failed to connect to server" Aug 25 14:24:11 how do I auto complete names in wIRC on TP Aug 25 14:24:30 start novacomd obviously Aug 25 14:24:31 loswillios, check if novacomd is running Aug 25 14:24:41 yeah Aug 25 14:25:02 loswillios: what version of the SDK and what device? Aug 25 14:25:13 who here has a pre3 Aug 25 14:25:22 make sure your device is connected. at least it doesn't say "invalid command" Aug 25 14:25:34 Abyssul-TP, autocomplete... good question, I don't think you can, there's no square button Aug 25 14:26:22 Damn :-( Aug 25 14:26:24 NuttyBunny: touchpad, palm-novacom_1.0.76_amd64.deb, palm-sdk_3.0.2-svn499310-pho652_i386.deb Aug 25 14:26:49 Anyone else buy from OnSale? Aug 25 14:26:50 NuttyBunny: it results in novacom_usb_findandattach_thread:565: usb_handle 0x00000000, bus=002 dev=004 novacom_usb_rx_thread:413 -- usbll(00000000) error: reading packet, result(-1), errno 9 novacom_usb_rx_thread:434 -- usbll(00000000) reading packet, reads(2), duration(100ms), result(-1), last_errno 9 Aug 25 14:27:10 Ravenna. I did Aug 25 14:27:13 RavenII, me :@ Aug 25 14:27:20 wtf... autocorrect... Aug 25 14:27:27 nutty...did you get your credit from Amazon for it. Aug 25 14:27:29 ? Aug 25 14:27:49 loswillios: mmm... no idea, I only use 32bit :S Aug 25 14:28:00 RavenII: they didn't charge me for it Aug 25 14:28:57 Download the novacom package from opensource.palm.com Aug 25 14:28:59 Ohhhh gotcha...they had my money on hold since sunday...just released it today...bastards Aug 25 14:29:02 I need someone with a pre3 to check if the webs doctor is available. Aug 25 14:29:43 jhoho. it wasn't available last night Aug 25 14:30:23 Why are idiots leaving negative feed back for the product?... Aug 25 14:30:51 They are angry and betrayed Aug 25 14:30:51 RavenII: what product? Aug 25 14:31:00 Tp on Amazon... Aug 25 14:31:08 It only affects th Aug 25 14:31:10 it's got 500+ reviews...mostly negative... Aug 25 14:31:22 the onsale product page Aug 25 14:31:27 Oh..does it? Aug 25 14:31:33 ok...that's good at least Aug 25 14:31:44 yeah, look at the normal listing for the tp Aug 25 14:31:52 what are the reviews about? "it doesn't run android"?? ;) Aug 25 14:32:18 "OnSale betrayed us and they suck." Aug 25 14:32:41 hehehe Aug 25 14:32:49 dumb people Aug 25 14:32:59 NuttyBunny: ...seriously Aug 25 14:33:11 they're supposed to rate the product, not the seller... bah Aug 25 14:33:40 I wish I could figure out a way to edit the slick deals wiki...I just got $20 from amazon for the whole ordeal... Aug 25 14:33:45 Amazon won't let you rate the seller if your product was cancelled Aug 25 14:33:50 NuttyBunny: some people say it's maybe libusb Aug 25 14:33:58 Abyssul-TP: they will, after 3 days Aug 25 14:34:15 loswillos, using linux? Aug 25 14:34:27 Abyssul-TP: yes Aug 25 14:34:50 how did you get 20 bucks? slickers says they couldn't get any compensation from amazon Aug 25 14:35:35 loswillos, http://palm.cdnetworks.net/opensource/novacom/novacom-linux-64.tgz Aug 25 14:35:47 if you have 64 bit Aug 25 14:36:15 Abyssul-TP: he offered me $10 at first, I said that sucks...can't make that $20? he said, ok Aug 25 14:36:26 I like amazon...ask and you shall receive.... Aug 25 14:37:00 Lucky agent draw if you ask me Aug 25 14:38:31 There's supposed to be a link to edit the wiki...I can't do it though.... Aug 25 14:39:01 RavenII, next time, ask for a product with the same specs Aug 25 14:39:04 ;) Aug 25 14:39:27 or a free kindle for putting up with their crap Aug 25 14:39:41 Ironsight: I was tempted...but I figured I shouldn't push it.... Aug 25 14:39:56 plus I really....REALLY want another TP...but I'm grateful that I got one at least.... Aug 25 14:40:21 unless I could get WebOS running on a Xoom... Aug 25 14:40:22 Say, "I was going to use their kindle app to buy all these books from you... now I have no kindle :( " Aug 25 14:40:22 haha Aug 25 14:40:31 HAHAHA Aug 25 14:41:08 I thought swap wasn't supposed to be bigger than 256mb... Aug 25 14:41:09 then just leech it for the free wifi Aug 25 14:41:15 or was that just on the Nokia 770 that I had.... Aug 25 14:44:36 anyone know?.... Aug 25 14:45:13 because I remember that with the Nokia 770, people used to say that anymore than "x" amount of swap is useless because it wouldn't be utilized.... Aug 25 14:46:15 Ohh....I just read that recommended swap size is at least the same as the amount of Ram you have.... Aug 25 14:51:49 yep Aug 25 14:53:51 swap is useless in that by the time you're swapping, a machine is so slow as to be unuseable - e.g. sshing in you'll time out. however, hibernation uses swap as its storage, so swap == ram means you can suspend to disk Aug 25 15:02:18 any chance of the touchpad being able to tether with bluetooth PAN? Aug 25 15:02:31 I haven't had any luck yet Aug 25 15:04:01 no one has yet Aug 25 15:08:55 I wish I could get it to work with regular WiFi tether Aug 25 15:10:14 Abyssul-TP, mine works fine tethering over wifi Aug 25 15:14:14 Abyssul: I've found out that none of my devices like to play nice when the WiFi is protected Aug 25 15:15:30 damn, still doesn't work with libusb-0.1.so.4 from F14 (32bit) in /opt/Palm/novacom/ Aug 25 15:15:48 Could someone "in-the-know" please check the wiki page for Application: OpenSSH? I've tried following it on two devices now, and I get a "connection refused" error. Aug 25 15:23:42 http://rootzwiki.com/showthread.php?t=3692 Aug 25 15:28:58 how do i get one?!?!?!?! Aug 25 15:32:18 mh could i have android and ubuntu chroot on it> Aug 25 15:34:01 siestacatontp: lol I love that open spirit they've got going >_> Aug 25 15:35:03 siestacatontp: anywho who has gpl code in there can sue them I hope they realize Aug 25 15:35:30 jrabbit: anyone who has proprietary code too Aug 25 15:35:45 rwhitby was mentioning that jrabbit Aug 25 15:35:54 but discussion of that illegal distribution should happen in #touchdroid, not here Aug 25 15:37:32 hehe Aug 25 15:37:40 rwhitby: they can clearly fix it Aug 25 15:38:10 unless they're using gingerbread Aug 25 15:39:42 I get dialup speeds over wifi tether with my sprint pre2 as a host to my tp Aug 25 15:40:45 Abyssul-TP: have you tested tethering with another device? Aug 25 15:41:01 Yep. Fine on my win7 desktop x64 Aug 25 15:41:17 loswillios: well, you can always use ubunty libusb, works for me on F14 ;) Aug 25 15:54:29 hey are they many ubuntu versions or jsut one at the moment? Aug 25 15:55:13 on touchpad? Aug 25 15:55:28 touchpad 64 preware not installing Aug 25 15:55:43 neeed magic Aug 25 15:55:47 fresff: how many of the 5 different methods have you tried? Aug 25 15:55:53 4 Aug 25 15:56:06 so SDK palm-install fails? Aug 25 15:56:08 where did you snag a 64gb? Aug 25 15:56:16 costcentral Aug 25 15:56:28 ah, yeah, now working Aug 25 15:56:45 face->palm Aug 25 15:57:55 fresff: good to hear Aug 25 15:58:08 brb Aug 25 15:58:16 fresff: can you install Impostah and send me the device profile? Aug 25 15:58:26 brb brb Aug 25 15:59:30 yeah on touchpad Aug 25 16:02:21 * rwhitby bbl Aug 25 16:03:42 can preware depend on ipkg-opt stuff? Aug 25 16:07:05 green--: I did it now on an F14-32 system I had lying around Aug 25 16:12:41 how could i install optwre via preware?? Aug 25 16:13:28 technikfreak: you can't i don't think Aug 25 16:14:06 ah ok just in developer Aug 25 16:14:07 send it Aug 25 16:15:07 U can install optware on Preware... Theres a whole optware feed Aug 25 16:15:26 thats kind of weird that enyo is a json interface Aug 25 16:15:26 hello all! Aug 25 16:15:28 hmm, http://opensource.palm.com/2.2.0/index.html Aug 25 16:15:38 is 2.2 available for anything besides pre3 yet? Aug 25 16:15:40 so could any other language work? :} Aug 25 16:15:49 Yay one step closer to the 2.2 doctor Aug 25 16:17:44 interestingly it contains tisgx stuff Aug 25 16:17:52 is 2.2 expected to work on pre2 then? Aug 25 16:18:11 javispedro: I imagine so, even if no pre2 release yet Aug 25 16:19:25 now that's interesting, the kernel patch for it has android references Aug 25 16:19:27 anyone know a way to tether from an android phone, to the touchpad? WiFi tethering wipes my battery... Aug 25 16:19:38 for pre3 based on an android kernel for the hardware perhaps? Aug 25 16:19:45 I mean Bluetooth tether... Aug 25 16:20:28 +# Generated Aug 25 16:20:28 +arch/arm/mach-msm/smd_rpc_sym.c Aug 25 16:20:28 diff --git a/AndroidKernel.mk b/AndroidKernel.mk Aug 25 16:22:17 Destinal thats actually interesting. Aug 25 16:22:35 * javispedro sighs at CONFIG_ASHMEM=y in all configs Aug 25 16:22:42 IIRC the touchpad kernel is an android kernel too Aug 25 16:22:51 yeah, it is Aug 25 16:23:57 javispedro: manage to get any cheap touchpads at firesale? Aug 25 16:24:03 na, no such luck Aug 25 16:24:11 not even pre3s Aug 25 16:24:23 you? Aug 25 16:24:34 wait, someone had fire sale on pre3? Aug 25 16:24:54 it's rumoured to start soon and sites have been started getting orders, no idea if anyone sold it yet Aug 25 16:25:39 anybody got a few seconds to help out with some linux questions? Aug 25 16:25:41 yeah supposed to happen in euro palm store. update is set for 10 am tomorrow UK time. Aug 25 16:25:41 ah cool. my pre- is dying so I should go pre3, just reluctant to switch from Sprint to AT&T Aug 25 16:26:08 also don't know if the ones sold in EU support ATT 3g band Aug 25 16:26:14 anyone have a clue about Bluetooth tethering? I just want to know if I can tethering from another device into the toucnpad... Aug 25 16:27:01 destinal: it supports some Aug 25 16:27:08 If they ship 2.2 for a pre2 it will use different kernel, the one there barely has omap supports Aug 25 16:27:42 Javispedro, we would stick with the 2.1 kernel but use 2.2 webos code Aug 25 16:28:02 javispedro: yeah, figured so. if we get a 2.2 doctor for pre3 it may be possible to run with the same kernel and TI bits as 2.1 though for the short term as well. Aug 25 16:28:21 if you are right in that assertion, it's good news Aug 25 16:28:38 no doctors yet though? Aug 25 16:28:39 that would mean userspace is still able to use SGX. Aug 25 16:28:43 How do u think he pre- works with 2.1 Aug 25 16:29:15 Abyssul: well it sucks for RAM but with the SoC overclocked it can go fast enough Aug 25 16:29:30 RAM issue is biggest Aug 25 16:29:36 Why bad for ram? Aug 25 16:30:39 pre- has has 256, pre plus and pre2 have 512 Aug 25 16:30:44 megabytes Aug 25 16:30:48 Well yeah Aug 25 16:31:04 I thought u meant for pre2 with 2.2 Aug 25 16:31:46 What do you do when the TP won't eject on WinXP? Aug 25 16:31:50 I just want sms for my tp Aug 25 16:31:53 ah pre2 should be fine on 2.2 assuming the kernel and graphics interfaces shipped in 2.1 are compatible with whatever userland we snag from 2.2 doctor or whatever Aug 25 16:31:55 still unknown Aug 25 16:32:17 Just waiting on that doctor... Aug 25 16:32:36 destinal: and that I think depends on whether palm had intentions to ship 2.2 on pre2 Aug 25 16:32:55 3.0 looks more hardcoded to android but that's from examining the SDK Aug 25 16:33:13 Android is everywhere... Aug 25 16:33:19 yeah :( Aug 25 16:33:44 ah true, if they use android userland stuff in 2.2 that may require a lot of kernel support 2.1 kernel won't have Aug 25 16:33:49 note thought that "to android" I mean to "to android style gfx drivers" Aug 25 16:34:08 more like ashmem, binder and all that crap which I hope they do not use ;) Aug 25 16:34:11 ie if they're actually using ashmem etc Aug 25 16:34:13 right Aug 25 16:34:30 s/more like/not like :P Aug 25 16:35:17 mh i just updated my touchpad Aug 25 16:35:18 interesting I didn't consider that they might be actually using android style gfx drivers on pre3 and touchpad. if they are it would seem an android port to these devices should have been done already :) Aug 25 16:35:31 but now i would like to open the app store and it come sup an error Aug 25 16:35:35 like, hardly any work Aug 25 16:35:40 at the moment it is not working try again later Aug 25 16:35:46 is it normal? Aug 25 16:37:40 technikfreak: that's normal. wait a while Aug 25 16:37:56 always happend after update Aug 25 16:38:02 App catalog hasnt updated for me and works atm. US activated Aug 25 16:38:09 ik instead i could send the preware ot it or? Aug 25 16:49:16 Greetings Aug 25 17:00:52 hrm Aug 25 17:01:00 is there any way to send ctrl via xecutah/xterm Aug 25 17:01:11 and stop the text from going behind th ekeyboard Aug 25 17:02:02 if you update to the latest version and download the Tweaks app from Preware, you can set the type of keyboard Aug 25 17:02:32 so if you want to use something larger than XS, just select it there Aug 25 17:02:46 and the X-Server will be resized next time you launch it Aug 25 17:03:22 has anyone used an Apple BT keyboard with the Ubuntu chroot? Aug 25 17:03:32 ok.. i got the one from testing so i shall play Aug 25 17:03:35 my CTRL key doesn't send a CTRL Aug 25 17:06:12 where could i activate the internal feed in preware?? Aug 25 17:07:51 in the menu Aug 25 17:08:19 manage feeds / add feed Aug 25 17:08:54 so but i didn't see te internal feeds Aug 25 17:09:12 you have to add it yourself Aug 25 17:09:19 ah so which are good? Aug 25 17:09:20 haha Aug 25 17:10:11 for ubuntu chroot i need the testing ffeds right? Aug 25 17:11:08 yes Aug 25 17:11:51 technikfreak: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Testing_Feeds#Configuring_the_WebOS_Internals_Testing_Feeds Aug 25 17:12:13 thx Aug 25 17:12:16 technikfreak: but first create and mount the image before you install :) Aug 25 17:12:47 for a device, you'll want the /all and the /armv{whatever is appropriate} Aug 25 17:13:58 what for an image Aug 25 17:14:04 ah the extra seperted partition? Aug 25 17:15:26 i think you can to it with an image or with the partition, as long as the mountpoint is the same Aug 25 17:16:17 ah ok so before i should ad the two feeds i start my linux pc run the meta doctor as it is described in x howtos and create the 4 gigaby of space Aug 25 17:16:49 well i did it with novaterm Aug 25 17:16:57 really Aug 25 17:17:51 ok have accesss to ti Aug 25 17:21:08 how many gb did you have given them? Aug 25 17:21:09 rwhitby: have you looked at applying to have preware/webos-internals get into google code in this fall/winter when google announces it? Aug 25 17:21:11 2 or 3 Aug 25 17:21:39 the git repos could use readmes and that'd be a great documentation task for it :P Aug 25 17:23:04 mhpf Aug 25 17:26:34 it is not really possible to create the ext3fs partition wioth novacom Aug 25 17:27:36 you can if you're careful and you know what you're doing Aug 25 17:28:13 So I just doctored my tp, what does the restore do?...I don't remember doing it on my Pre.... Aug 25 17:28:18 after doctoring..... Aug 25 17:28:28 Like Palm Profile? Aug 25 17:28:36 Yeah Aug 25 17:28:41 Loads accounts and settings Aug 25 17:28:49 call history, text messsages, etc Aug 25 17:29:05 Gotcha... Aug 25 17:29:06 ok. Aug 25 17:29:16 RavenII: gets all apps and accounts that were backed up, plus loads the calls + texts and what not from unflashed storage on device Aug 25 17:30:01 Too bad Palm didnt update the "what does Palm Profile backup" article in the kb Aug 25 17:30:17 anybody with ubuntu chroot knowledge in here? Aug 25 17:30:43 Of course Aug 25 17:31:00 knowledge of how the package extracts the .tgz file to the ext3fs partition? Aug 25 17:32:26 I created a debian squeeze chroot (because ubuntu doesn't work on my pixi) Aug 25 17:32:32 trying to package it up Aug 25 17:32:49 yeah ive got it maybe Aug 25 17:32:51 i used the natty-chroot package as a template Aug 25 17:33:05 and replaced the debian chroot tgz file i created Aug 25 17:33:10 and moded all the references Aug 25 17:33:13 The thought of a pixi chroot scares me. Aug 25 17:33:28 added a line to executah to handle the location Aug 25 17:33:31 but... Aug 25 17:33:41 when i installed, the .tgz didn't end up in the ext3fs partition Aug 25 17:33:50 so i'm not sure when or how that occurs Aug 25 17:34:55 it works great for monitoring my work production environment! :) Aug 25 17:35:05 yes, though...very scary on a pixi Aug 25 17:37:08 I wonder if a debootstrap config might be better? Aug 25 17:39:06 alredz now installing xecutah Aug 25 17:40:04 is the xserrver neccesary? Aug 25 17:40:12 even if i would like to have luna or somtehing else Aug 25 17:42:50 yeehaa ubuntu will be downloaded guys Aug 25 17:43:36 so which graphical interface needs the lowest energy and cpu but brings a ok interface with it Aug 25 17:43:47 i have heraed taht lxde will be a little to big? Aug 25 17:44:08 technikfreak: i is just an xserver running inside luna Aug 25 17:44:19 oh waht is luna Aug 25 17:44:38 the webos gui i thought Aug 25 17:44:39 ah you mean the xserver that will eb added with the main kernel Aug 25 17:44:51 ah ok Aug 25 17:45:20 but when i am inside ubuntu and wanna have such thing like vnc and chese than i need smeothing Aug 25 17:45:28 waht did you ahve running sx? Aug 25 17:46:13 nothing Aug 25 17:46:33 like i said it is just like an os within an os Aug 25 17:46:35 you have just the ssh consoel Aug 25 17:46:45 but you have running ubuntu? Aug 25 17:46:57 because gedit ect..? Aug 25 17:47:14 i installed xfce in it Aug 25 17:47:21 ok Aug 25 17:47:42 so and i can run any ipk or arm compiled file within Aug 25 17:53:00 experimental pre3 kernel. https://www.box.net/shared/3ub2mzppibf9xuv7j4i2 Aug 25 17:53:08 someone let me know if it boots Aug 25 17:54:24 is a restart required between install the ubuntu and running it? Aug 25 17:54:28 is there a watchdog or something in the TP? i am getting reboot after kexec, but it seems like it might be software mediated reset caused by a panic Aug 25 17:56:37 does cross compiling in Ubuntu work with CDT? Aug 25 17:56:47 Eclipse CDT... Aug 25 17:56:56 jonpry: yes, it has a watchdog Aug 25 17:57:11 o.O Aug 25 18:02:01 I'm back Aug 25 18:02:19 network booted me off...now I'm using the touchpad Aug 25 18:03:39 so, anybody know how ubuntu chroot gets unrated and put in ext3fs? Aug 25 18:04:11 unrated = untared ...stupid autocorrect Aug 25 18:10:29 how responsive are the optware maintainers? Aug 25 18:14:45 is there a way to set bootie's klog size to something small so i can have a small region of memory to debug in? Aug 25 18:14:57 Hey guys… quick question Aug 25 18:14:59 is thre Aug 25 18:15:26 Is there any novacom command command to flash an img to a specific partition Aug 25 18:16:30 nope. thought you needed threnchcoat for that. Aug 25 18:16:39 I can't login to precentral.com for some reason....where else can I get TouchPlayer? (the preware package is broken) Aug 25 18:17:10 almex', download the .ipk from the PReware feeds and install with WOSQI Aug 25 18:17:48 Abyssul: the preware feed was broken last night Aug 25 18:18:10 rwhitby said it was a bad source, but the xml file he pointed me at looked ok Aug 25 18:18:22 21:19 <@rwhitby> http://www.precentral.net/precentral-ipkg-feed.xml is the source Aug 25 18:18:30 I was able to pull the ipkg link from there though and it seemed fine Aug 25 18:19:02 hehe so I was right o.O Aug 25 18:19:13 of course, no one was wrong either Aug 25 18:19:30 uNiXpSyChO: Was that in response to me? Aug 25 18:19:32 I just downloaded the ipk from Preware and install with WOSQI Aug 25 18:20:01 trsohmers: yep. the installer memloads through bootie to do the flashing. Aug 25 18:20:21 Hmm Aug 25 18:20:34 So you need to use webOS doctor Aug 25 18:20:36 http://cdn.precentral.net/resources/applications/000/016/194/com.wordpress.mobilecoder.touchplayer_1.0.1_all.ipk?AWSAccessKeyId=0C0KVER6K3Z6V5NH80R2 Aug 25 18:20:39 trsohmers: take apart the Doctor and you can probably make it flash your own images. Aug 25 18:20:55 I'm looking through it now… Thanks uNiXpSyChO Aug 25 18:21:07 anybody....how does ubuntu chroot get into ext3fs? Aug 25 18:21:33 pezman726: the installer on preware automatically does it Aug 25 18:21:46 Just got a new touchpad from BesBuy and was trying to doctor it and now i'm running into a big problem, anyone here able to help? Aug 25 18:22:01 oh...I know that...but how Aug 25 18:22:03 I had some issues with the installer, so I manually untared it Aug 25 18:22:04 are you actually the hebrew hammer? Aug 25 18:22:08 Do you think HP would care if the libflashplayer.so file was modified and shared? Does that fall under Adobe or WebOS license? Aug 25 18:22:24 Abyssul: couldnt there just be a patch that applies the hex edit? Aug 25 18:22:31 Maybe Aug 25 18:22:33 I'm creating a debian squeeze chroot Aug 25 18:22:36 uh... both maybe. Aug 25 18:22:41 howdy folks! Aug 25 18:22:48 Right now its being shared on PC which is in violation correct? Aug 25 18:22:51 * dwc- "wonders" what Abyssul is doing with libflashplayer :p Aug 25 18:23:01 Hulu? Aug 25 18:23:03 dwc-, someone posted a Hulu fix with that modfied file Aug 25 18:23:18 they have been modding it for Android for a while Aug 25 18:23:23 pfft. I made my own Aug 25 18:23:49 I just know we like to keep high standards and sharing that modfied file is illegal right? Aug 25 18:23:53 http://pastebin.com/bsP8rrkD is what i followed Aug 25 18:24:00 the hulu fix is in libflashplayer, not the user-agent? Aug 25 18:24:09 ajay_, probably Aug 25 18:24:11 it's the flash agent, not the browser user agent Aug 25 18:24:41 dwc-: ^ yup, makes sense Aug 25 18:24:48 Couldnt you just use a patch for the .so file? Aug 25 18:24:49 interesting.. Aug 25 18:25:00 there exist patch utilities that patch binary files, yes Aug 25 18:25:04 it would be a really easy patch, one line of sed should do it Aug 25 18:25:17 destinal see the pastebin Aug 25 18:25:18 so a normal patch wouldnt work then Aug 25 18:25:28 a normal 'diff' patch wouldn't work, no Aug 25 18:25:31 maybe a 'script' more than a 'patch' Aug 25 18:25:39 Meh, I cant do those Aug 25 18:25:42 I can do diff patches Aug 25 18:26:03 anyway to do emergency recover or something for touchpad, it won't poweron now....... Aug 25 18:26:08 i don't know how to do diff patches, but if it's just 1 line of sed, sounds super-easy Aug 25 18:26:19 HebrewzHammer, is the battery dead? Aug 25 18:27:00 Abyssul: Nope, fully charged. I was trying to metadoctor it and it wouldn't connect so I tried putting it in usb update mode and now it won't turn oon Aug 25 18:27:26 Abyssul: When I connect to the computer now it sees a device 'qhsusb_dload' Aug 25 18:27:33 lonequid: yeah sed -i 's/WEB 10/WIN 10/' libflashplayer.so should do it, yeah? Aug 25 18:27:45 yup Aug 25 18:27:50 assuming that's the only incidence of the string, yes Aug 25 18:27:57 i only found it once Aug 25 18:28:00 can a preware package depend on optware? Aug 25 18:28:01 can preware install an optware package? Aug 25 18:28:55 jrabbit: only if a preware package has been made for the optware package (some of them have been) Aug 25 18:29:05 jrabbit: I believe the optware package has to be packaged up for preware Aug 25 18:29:08 haha "cannot create patch from binary file" Aug 25 18:29:36 Abyssul: that sed line I put earlier IS your binary patch, what else do you need? Aug 25 18:29:55 I was trying to create a diff patch :p Aug 25 18:30:03 from a modfied and original file Aug 25 18:30:04 oh well yeah that would be silly :P Aug 25 18:30:26 Worth a shot since you can read the Web 10 string in the binary file with Notepad++ Aug 25 18:30:30 is optware normally installed? I never really got all of this? Aug 25 18:30:41 I wonder if Preware supports bsdiff Aug 25 18:30:56 Abyssul: why not just use the sed line lol Aug 25 18:31:14 Trying to make a patch o.O Aug 25 18:31:15 iirc preware does install lsdiff or something like that Aug 25 18:31:29 Abyssul: Thanks, that worked Aug 25 18:31:44 Abyssul: that IS a patch :P Aug 25 18:32:02 I dont understand sed line Aug 25 18:32:15 lsdiff doesnt support binary Aug 25 18:32:17 Abyssul: just typing Aug 25 18:32:31 Abyssul: patches wouldn't work if the binary ever changed Aug 25 18:32:37 Well yeah, I was looking for something submittable to Preware Aug 25 18:32:38 I don't like tux holding a Pre in his hand when this is clearly a Touchpad.... Aug 25 18:32:40 sed -i 's/WEB 10/WIN 10/' libflashplayer.so Aug 25 18:32:43 sed will keep working because it hs no line/byte refrence Aug 25 18:32:49 you just run that one line in the dir with the player Aug 25 18:32:55 jrabbit, just update the patch with the version updates if flash player was ever updated Aug 25 18:32:55 wait a second Aug 25 18:33:02 Is it possible to brick a Touchpad? Aug 25 18:33:08 so this conversation went from "is it kosher to share on PC which is in violation" Aug 25 18:33:08 is that me masking my user-agent as Windows? Blech I'd rather boycott hulu :) Aug 25 18:33:13 to... "here's how to do it" on IRC? Aug 25 18:33:16 Abyssul: again patching binaries is kind of bad Aug 25 18:33:35 this seems ... a little... unkosher Aug 25 18:34:22 dwc-: omg the webos community has gotten so squeamish that someone somewhere might be breaking a rule. it's your device, have it say it is whatever you want it to say it is Aug 25 18:34:28 i don't think there was an EULA and if there was its unenforcible in much of the modern world Aug 25 18:34:36 HebrewzHammer: press and hold down middle button - power button - up volume key together for 15 seconds. should reset it. Aug 25 18:34:44 s/modern world// Aug 25 18:34:45 jrabbit meant: i don't think there was an EULA and if there was its unenforcible in much of the Aug 25 18:34:52 uNiXpSyChO: Thanks, i'll try it Aug 25 18:34:56 uNiXpSyChO: Thanks. Aug 25 18:34:58 hah neat bot :) Aug 25 18:35:25 destinal: I honestly don't care if people *DO* it. Aug 25 18:35:26 jrabbit: yes, it is the awesome :) Aug 25 18:35:34 s/e/3/g Aug 25 18:35:34 destinal meant: jrabbit: y3s, it is th3 aw3som3 :) Aug 25 18:35:57 dwc-: it'd really depend on if a web UA can be considered DRM Aug 25 18:36:02 i've got a patch that will bring klog up about as early as possible Aug 25 18:36:05 it probably can't Aug 25 18:36:35 destinal: how do I make a preware package for python? :) Aug 25 18:37:15 ipkg actually has a recent python to my suprise Aug 25 18:37:26 jrabbit: look at the existing feed for some of the preware packages that install optware packages Aug 25 18:37:49 uNiXpSyChO: nothing, anything else I can try? Aug 25 18:38:12 bleh. someone needs to hurry and get touchdroid out so the noobs will leave me alone... everyone where I work bought a touchpad...and everyone knows I have ubuntu running... Aug 25 18:38:20 ok Aug 25 18:38:47 naturally to them anything BUT webOS = android... Aug 25 18:38:48 uNiXpSyChO: It seems like this happened when I tried to put it in 'usb update' mode by holding down the volume up button and pluggingit in the charger Aug 25 18:39:00 jrabbit: http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/optware/armv7/ for instance Aug 25 18:39:01 * AHCompy headdesks Aug 25 18:39:16 jrabbit: but yeah you can just ipkg-opt install python for instance Aug 25 18:39:22 HebrewzHammer: did you hold all buttons down together at same time? Aug 25 18:39:28 if you aren't trying to package it up for others to use Aug 25 18:39:51 destinal: I'm wantitng to package it up for me/others Aug 25 18:39:51 should only be the power/lock and home/card button Aug 25 18:39:59 hold for like 10 seconds Aug 25 18:41:25 jrabbit: specifically look at the http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/optware/armv7/Packages file for how the dependencies are set up Aug 25 18:41:37 uNiXpSyChO: AHCompany's suggestion worked! Aug 25 18:41:44 looks like a debian control file? Aug 25 18:41:50 Do you have to chmod the .so file before sed? Aug 25 18:41:51 :-) Aug 25 18:41:54 AHCompy: THANK YOU SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MUCH!!!!! I THOUGHT I BRICKED IT! Aug 25 18:42:09 lol I did the same before...scared me too Aug 25 18:42:14 or would a remount -o mount, rw / work Aug 25 18:42:27 jrabbit: preware uses it's an extended version of the ipkg (itsy) Packages file which is based on debian stuff Aug 25 18:42:50 same thing. 10-15 secs will work. and it always doesnt work the 1st time. i should know booting up broken kernels all the time. Aug 25 18:43:05 destinal: god this is complicated and hacky, kinda fun Aug 25 18:43:33 destinal: why didn't they use opkg? Aug 25 18:43:46 Anybody know what the string for Linux is? Aug 25 18:43:49 jrabbit: well we used ipkg in preware since palm was already using it Aug 25 18:43:59 ah well thats a good reason I guess Aug 25 18:44:20 * jrabbit didn't know about optware when he was tryign to get git on his android Aug 25 18:44:24 also it's good / light / fast / easy (though opkg may be equally good) Aug 25 18:44:28 hmm, looks like it's just LNX. How about we promote that instead? Aug 25 18:44:32 uNiXpSyChO: Thank you, and btw thanks for all your work on WebOS and ther kernels Aug 25 18:45:14 jrabbit: jason R has set up a program to easily make feed directories btw http://forums.precentral.net/canuck-coding/282230-ipkg-feed-generator-v1-0-a.html Aug 25 18:45:20 destinal: so I just need to write one of those control files for it andr forward it? Aug 25 18:45:34 and has talked about setting up your own feeds on dropbox also http://forums.precentral.net/canuck-coding/282255-how-easily-setup-your-own-ipkg-feed-dropbox.html Aug 25 18:45:58 can someone w/ a touchpad test to see if changing libflashplayer.so to say linux works? Aug 25 18:46:02 Ok, so now i'm back to my original problem: The webos doctor doesn't recognize the touchpad when I plug it in. This is the first time i'm turning it on, does webosDoctor not work when your on the initial screen that asks what language you want? Aug 25 18:46:11 jrabbit: yeah you can just set up a feed directory with the packages file then add the feed to preware Aug 25 18:46:14 hm Aug 25 18:46:18 thats cool Aug 25 18:46:26 jrabbit: if you just want to share an individual ipk though it's way easier Aug 25 18:46:49 you can put it on any web site and make a link, clicking it on the device will install if preware has been installed right (assicoated with ipk files) Aug 25 18:47:32 destinal: hm ok Aug 25 18:47:46 s/ico/oci/ Aug 25 18:47:47 I'll still write a pkg desc for it Aug 25 18:47:48 destinal meant: you can put it on any web site and make a link, clicking it on the device will install if preware has been installed right (associated with ipk files) Aug 25 18:48:47 jrabbit: yeah making a real feed directory / packages file lets you provide updates and do dependencies Aug 25 18:49:35 yum, dependencies Aug 25 18:49:52 Still though, do you have to chmod before sed for the .so file? Aug 25 18:50:43 Abyssul: nah, you can just do that on the original file and it will patch it and keep its permissions. you should probably back it up first :) Aug 25 18:51:14 Mmk. Im trying to get that guy to remove the modified file link and put up the sed command for anyone needing easier directions Aug 25 18:51:33 Abyssul: ideally we should get this into a package and on the feed Aug 25 18:51:45 Yea, but I dont know how to code and package scripts Aug 25 18:52:07 destinal: and you can commit a optware pkg? Aug 25 18:52:24 should I do arm6 and 7? Aug 25 18:54:10 autocorrect correcting a captcha??? Wtf! Aug 25 18:55:52 rofl Aug 25 18:56:06 It cant distinguish between captcha text box or a regular textbox Aug 25 18:56:20 auto correct sucks :D Aug 25 18:56:45 Yeah, I disabled it Aug 25 18:56:48 More harm than help Aug 25 18:56:50 at least when you are talking with more than one language Aug 25 18:56:55 Abyssul: html5 forms should help Aug 25 18:57:12 but HPalm doesn't support using the email keyboard on them already though Aug 25 18:57:19 How do you create a wiki page o.O damn my newbieness Aug 25 18:57:30 Abyssul: navigate to it Aug 25 18:57:35 or link to it and click Aug 25 18:57:43 it'll offer to create it :) Aug 25 18:58:27 TIL... Aug 25 19:02:44 How woudl you guys partition your TP? Aug 25 19:03:11 Metadoctor Aug 25 19:03:25 do I put linux commands in the math formatting for the wiki? Aug 25 19:03:30 Abyssul: haha, I meant size wise.... Aug 25 19:03:37 I did 2G /var Aug 25 19:03:41 384 Swap Aug 25 19:03:45 4g Aug 25 19:03:50 and 5 (or 4) for ext3 Aug 25 19:03:51 512 swap Aug 25 19:03:59 I'm still rocking my Pre- that's running 1.4.5 and I just got a new touchpad, can I use the same Palm Profile for both? Aug 25 19:04:34 HebrewzHammer, yes Aug 25 19:04:46 Abyssul: do you did 4/512/4? Aug 25 19:05:49 oh, i havnt partitioned yet Aug 25 19:05:57 Aha I see.... Aug 25 19:06:00 one last question... Aug 25 19:06:33 what's the point of having a big var...(I know the reason for the other 2....) Aug 25 19:08:19 Hey anyone here want to help me make a chroot? Aug 25 19:10:58 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Hulu_Fix Aug 25 19:11:04 PDunny: i'd bit but i feel like there'll be a trap somewhere :) Aug 25 19:11:14 ?? Aug 25 19:11:22 A trap somewhere? Aug 25 19:11:23 LNX I say!! Aug 25 19:11:25 Means that it wouldnt go as easily as expected Aug 25 19:11:33 Well obviously! Aug 25 19:11:34 ajay_, does LNX work? Aug 25 19:11:38 s/bit/bite Aug 25 19:12:01 I'll change it, but I wanna confirm it works first Aug 25 19:12:06 lol ajay_ I am trying to chroot ubuntu mobile onto the TP Aug 25 19:12:21 My TP is MIA Aug 25 19:12:29 RavenII: big /var is archaic in webos Aug 25 19:12:32 ubuntu mobile? Aug 25 19:12:38 it has better touchscreen support plus it is set up for ARM OMAP4 processors Aug 25 19:12:38 PDunny: you followed the instructions? you have the ext3 partition, install xecutah, etc? Aug 25 19:12:51 I have ubuntu running on my touchpad Aug 25 19:13:18 destinal: if a lib is in webos does the opt pkg need it? Aug 25 19:13:21 linuxjacques: gotcha...because it uses the /media now right? Aug 25 19:13:21 I just want a different version of it than 11.04 since it is not optimized for touchscreens and ARM OMAP4 processors like Ubuntu Mobile is Aug 25 19:13:23 destinal: i.e. bz2 Aug 25 19:13:37 os sqllite Aug 25 19:13:47 http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/mobile/ Aug 25 19:13:50 too bad UA spoofs aren't practical on individual site bases (sp?) Aug 25 19:13:57 RavenII: yeah Aug 25 19:14:07 That is an old version the newer ones are even better Aug 25 19:14:43 ajay_, yea. I'd rather have Hulu Aug 25 19:14:44 PDunny: there are also these older instructions: http://kitenet.net/~joey/blog/entry/palm_pre/ (I haven't compared them to the newer instructions) Aug 25 19:15:14 linuxjacques: thanks...I kinda figured...what do you suggest for size? Aug 25 19:16:09 Ok haven't followed those instructions not sure if they will work ..... Aug 25 19:16:12 RavenII: size of what? Aug 25 19:18:37 http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-mobile/ports/releases/10.10/release/ <------ This is the one I would like to get set up Aug 25 19:18:59 Abyssul: I know, we just need to port this firefox extension! http://blog.sephiroth.it/firefox-extensions/flash-switcher/ :) Aug 25 19:19:32 urgh Aug 25 19:20:22 We seriously have to create a new channel for ubuntu on webOS and other things :) Aug 25 19:20:34 lmao Nutty Aug 25 19:20:47 * PDunny agrees Aug 25 19:20:53 where's the link to the newer one(s)? Aug 25 19:21:02 NuttyBunny_Pre2: maybe you can just takeover the #ubuntu channel? :) Aug 25 19:21:05 NuttyBunny_Pre2: yeah...probably Aug 25 19:21:11 ajay - The last one seems like it will be a good option imo Aug 25 19:21:30 theres probably an ubunutu-arm channel Aug 25 19:21:35 There is Aug 25 19:21:42 #ubuntu-arm Aug 25 19:21:47 and #ubuntu-mobile Aug 25 19:21:50 there you go :P Aug 25 19:21:51 But both == dead Aug 25 19:22:02 rev them up then Aug 25 19:22:28 destinal: ping? Aug 25 19:22:55 Well I am going to go ahead and set up the channel I guess Aug 25 19:23:10 webos-ubuntu Aug 25 19:23:16 webos-chroot Aug 25 19:24:18 NuttyBunny_Pre2: can ipkg things use palm's libs? Aug 25 19:24:21 PDunny: those all look like x86 versions of ubuntu? Aug 25 19:24:47 http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-mobile/ports/releases/10.10/release/ Aug 25 19:25:14 kubuntu-mobile-10.10-preinstalled-mobile-armel+omap4.img.gz <----- One that will work best for the TouchPad (OMAP4 processor) Aug 25 19:25:24 #touchpad-Ubuntu Aug 25 19:25:43 can you not install ubuntu on pre's too? :p Aug 25 19:25:47 PDunny: my mistake, I also see it for 11.04 Aug 25 19:26:13 so, what's the deal? how are you doing it? running your ubuntu applications as root or as the "webos" user? Aug 25 19:26:16 PDunny: fun! Aug 25 19:27:29 I just built myself a debian chroot today! Aug 25 19:27:34 We have our OWN channel nao! Aug 25 19:28:10 PDunny: pezman can help you :) Aug 25 19:28:14 man those updates are comin fast! Aug 25 19:28:20 HA Aug 25 19:29:09 I just followed the instructions on the internals wiki for building debian chroot Aug 25 19:29:25 so you're the wrong way and running everything as root... bad, very bad.. tsk tsk tsk Aug 25 19:29:53 lmao pezman726, did you do it from localhost? Aug 25 19:30:03 ubuntu Aug 25 19:30:14 jrabbit: pong Aug 25 19:30:34 destinal: will the ipkg stuff figure out palm's libraries? Aug 25 19:30:46 its not in a chroot is it? Aug 25 19:30:50 had to install the qemu packages Aug 25 19:31:04 **the optware ipkgs Aug 25 19:31:19 destinal: i.e. bzip2 and sqlite Aug 25 19:32:47 created a .IMG and took that, made A .tgz put it on the Pixi and untared it in the ubuntu-natty-chroot directory Aug 25 19:33:04 hello? Aug 25 19:33:50 triednto make a package...but that failed. Maybe rod can help me with that tonight Aug 25 19:39:35 destinal: ipkg-feed-generator explodes >_> Aug 25 19:39:40 will check that hulu LNX fix later today, lunchy time now.. Aug 25 19:46:52 there's an irc channel I'm trying to join using wirc on my HP touchpad. I went to advanced and entered in all the relevant info like username, password, server ip, local alias, port, real name, and clicked use SSL option. all the settings are identical to Aug 25 19:46:52 my pidgin account on my desktop that connects just fine. It won't connect for some reason though. Don't see an option in wire to set encodings to UTF-8 like they are in pidgin. Could that be causing the problem? Aug 25 19:47:28 use wirc? Aug 25 19:47:45 derp Aug 25 19:48:00 meant to say... Aug 25 19:48:11 using wire has always worked for me Aug 25 19:48:57 except none of you have added wirc to your dictionary! Aug 25 19:50:08 hmm Aug 25 19:50:27 is there an encodings option somewhere I'm not seeing? Aug 25 19:50:31 there is not Aug 25 19:51:22 thats not too easy getting ubuntu on touchpad Aug 25 19:51:30 do you think that would prevent a connection? Aug 25 19:51:40 Can ubuntu be booted directly through bootie? Aug 25 19:51:55 Does a partition dump of virgin touchpad exist? Aug 25 19:52:18 cause to get it to work on my desktop using pidgin I had to set encodings to UTF-8 Aug 25 19:53:01 heyho Aug 25 20:00:26 uNiXpSyChO: ....1.9!? Aug 25 20:00:31 Sickness. Aug 25 20:01:06 so no way to send ctrl at all through xterm/xecutah? Aug 25 20:02:11 sampson: nope. best bet is to make use of a virtual keyboard from within X Aug 25 20:02:28 sadmonster Aug 25 20:02:51 guys could someone explain mewhat is the different betweena nd ipkg package, optware and chroot ubuntu apt-get Aug 25 20:03:12 ipkg are standard packages that install to webos, optware installs to the optware specific path Aug 25 20:03:21 chroot ubuntu apt-get installs packages only within the ubuntu userland image Aug 25 20:03:25 aha Aug 25 20:03:37 so i have to install both Aug 25 20:03:40 in different ways Aug 25 20:03:41 for what Aug 25 20:04:16 optware for the ipkg programs Aug 25 20:04:27 ubuntu for vnc and network stuff Aug 25 20:04:28 you don't need ubuntu chroot to use optware Aug 25 20:04:40 any body got a sec? Need help :) Aug 25 20:04:42 and there's openvpn support in preware via optware Aug 25 20:04:55 bbl Aug 25 20:04:57 vnc Aug 25 20:05:08 derp Aug 25 20:05:10 busy day today Aug 25 20:05:12 ok so than i need to create a ext3fs partition also for optware Aug 25 20:08:07 puh Aug 25 20:08:41 whats up djhomeboy? Aug 25 20:08:44 Ok, I will just ask then :) How do I restore my old theme Aug 25 20:09:06 I use preware to download a theme for my touchpad.. I installed a Pre theme lol Aug 25 20:10:50 djhomeboy, I think you have to visit the Doctor. Aug 25 20:11:05 wipe completely :( Aug 25 20:11:34 everything still works.. just a few icons are changed to the old theme Aug 25 20:11:41 well the one I downloaded Aug 25 20:13:01 is there any Touchpad themes available yet that anyone can recommend Aug 25 20:16:08 Anyone have a nice TP boot screen? Aug 25 20:16:28 stupid hp chat disconnected on me Aug 25 20:16:31 im trying to report a bug :| Aug 25 20:16:46 Hey all! I'm having some weird issues with Xecutah/Xterm/Xserver. Namely, the keyboard doesn't work. The onscreen keyboard isn't summoned, regardless of my interaction with it, and when I use my BT keyboard (the official one), only the enter key appears t Aug 25 20:16:46 o have any effect. Aug 25 20:18:06 ice8lue: So you was able to gat a TP from HP Germany? Aug 25 20:18:20 I find it strange that the enter key works, but that none of the other keys appear to. Could it be a keymapping issue? From the reading i've done, it appears it was built to work with a BT keyboard first, which suggests that shouldn't be an issue... Aug 25 20:18:27 someone get me 50% off zagg.com code plss Aug 25 20:18:38 i have also a tp from germany Aug 25 20:18:58 NVM! Just checked my system info. Apparently i'm still running WebOS 3.0.0 for some reason! Aug 25 20:18:58 hape: ya a TP and a Pre3 :D what about you? Aug 25 20:19:32 ice8lue: nothing :-( , was at lunch. when we cam back a hour later the server was done Aug 25 20:19:51 hape: nargh...i'm sorry for you... Aug 25 20:20:36 I could kill the guys how only buyed them to sell them with 100-200 Euro plus on ebay Aug 25 20:21:04 hape: I thought the US was the only capitalist country in the world.... Aug 25 20:21:10 looks like we're rubbing off... Aug 25 20:21:29 technikfreak: lucky you Aug 25 20:21:45 I have the best father in the world. When I told him about the firesale he managed to pick up 3TPs, one for him and my mother, one for myself, and one for my sister. Aug 25 20:21:57 No clue how Aug 25 20:22:09 12:15 was a bad timing for me. we went for lunch 11:30 and was back 12:30 and that was to late :-( Aug 25 20:22:27 me too... there was one guy selling 6 TPs on ebay for about 300 euros per piece... Aug 25 20:22:49 this are reall people who aren"t havea good life Aug 25 20:22:58 congrats technikfreak Aug 25 20:23:23 If someone in gemany have one leftove I would be happy.... Aug 25 20:23:46 my girl got my second one Aug 25 20:23:54 Some Euro more are ok, but not 100-200. Aug 25 20:23:59 Cerealklr_: wasn't built for BT first, promise :) Aug 25 20:24:22 Cerealklr_: as for your issue--try restarting the x server? definitely should work :( Aug 25 20:24:31 dtzWill: whoops, I meant the TP port of it! Or did I misread on that too? Aug 25 20:24:31 but there are timing issues with setting the keymaps Aug 25 20:24:37 it's dirty Aug 25 20:24:41 Cerealklr_: yep :). Aug 25 20:24:44 dtzWill: Pretty sure the issue is that I just realized i'm still on WebOS 3.0.0, nondev Aug 25 20:25:01 Cerealklr_: oh, taht'd do it. 3.0.2 doesn't need dev access, just update Aug 25 20:25:07 Trying to upgrade now, but everyone must be pulling it down Aug 25 20:25:08 you wanna update /anyway/, for the good of your TP Aug 25 20:25:09 ^.^ Aug 25 20:25:30 dtzWill: Yep. There were a ton of issues in 3.0.0 >.< I know firsthand, I reported like 8 of them while trying to get my app running Aug 25 20:25:56 hehehe Aug 25 20:26:45 hape: do you know if navit will run on the pre3 without bigger edits? Aug 25 20:26:50 I cried a little bit when they released the RC and put a freeze on one of the bugs that was effecting me. =/ Aug 25 20:28:04 dtzWill: Oh, by the way, is there any source of info on getting the Ubuntu chroot going on the TP yet? I know NuttyBunny has it operational and was working on documenting it, but if I could just get access to the raw commands I need to run, or even just a Aug 25 20:28:04 history buffer of someone setting it up, I'd be happy to go through it myself and then document the process in return. =D Aug 25 20:28:13 ice8lue: There is a forum thead about it. All we know by now is that there are no error in the log, but getting no GPS position Aug 25 20:31:21 Cerealklr_: wiki, bro! :) http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/UbuntuChroot Aug 25 20:31:41 basically metadoc yourself a new partitoin and away you go Aug 25 20:31:53 =D Last I checked, I couldn't find anything about it! I'm excited now, thanks! =] Aug 25 20:32:14 Cerealklr_: http://liliputing.com/2011/08/how-to-install-ubuntu-linux-on-an-hp-touchpad.html Aug 25 20:32:49 lol at the wording of that article and raticles that link it Aug 25 20:32:58 as if we didn't have this for the last year and a half Aug 25 20:32:59 lol Aug 25 20:33:53 =D Aug 25 20:34:11 I knew we had Devan shooting setup already Aug 25 20:34:27 Jeez, silly autocorrect, chroot is a word! Aug 25 20:34:37 So is debian! Aug 25 20:35:26 Going under for the update. I'll be back when I am! Aug 25 20:39:31 how i could use the meta-doctor?? Aug 25 20:39:37 when it was finished he clsoed Aug 25 20:43:01 technikfreak: http://forums.precentral.net/webos-development/292457-tutorial-how-get-ubuntu-touchpad.html Aug 25 20:43:40 technikfreak: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor Aug 25 20:43:55 BrettQ : there isn"t telling where i could set the xt3fs size Aug 25 20:43:57 between those, you should have everything you need Aug 25 20:44:21 it's in the second link when it tells you to edit the Makefile Aug 25 20:44:22 pah there is no metnion Aug 25 20:45:23 If you would like Meta-Doctor to apply patches to webOS in order to add or change functionality from the factory install, open the Makefile with your favorite text editor and uncomment (remove the leading # characters from) the options you would like to use. For example, if you plan to install Ubuntu, now is the time to uncomment the EXT3FS_PARTITION_SIZE option in the Makefile and edit it per these instructions. Aug 25 20:45:45 "these instructions" = http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Chrooting Aug 25 20:46:03 you have to read the entire page...all of them Aug 25 20:46:09 i ahve Aug 25 20:46:10 people who see bad keymappings in xserver should be fixed in 0.7.5, which i just pushed (will hit testing feeds in a bit) Aug 25 20:46:27 BrettQ : on your last link Aug 25 20:46:27 Thanks dtzWill! Aug 25 20:46:33 there is jsut telling type the command Aug 25 20:46:37 but where?? Aug 25 20:46:51 you don't type that command Aug 25 20:46:55 no? Aug 25 20:46:58 you modify the Makefile Aug 25 20:47:02 ah Aug 25 20:47:07 now it will be more clear Aug 25 20:47:13 mentioned in the MetaDoctor article Aug 25 20:47:33 you have to remove the comment "#" from the line that says EXT3FS_PARTITION_SIZE Aug 25 20:47:47 and there is where you either keep it at 2GB or change that Aug 25 20:49:16 i thought the guides that were up were pretty good, but i may type one up later Aug 25 20:49:32 since i'm being kicked out of my house tonight while women swarm there Aug 25 20:49:56 worst thing about the TP = no support for ad-hoc wifi tethering :( Aug 25 20:50:10 ok thanks Aug 25 20:50:23 that what was i am searhcing Aug 25 20:50:28 in the make file haha ok Aug 25 20:50:35 have to reset my tp again Aug 25 20:50:40 hrm there must be a way to map ctrl properly on a bluetooth keyboard Aug 25 20:50:56 sampson: if you find it, let me know Aug 25 20:51:03 are 3 gb enough for ubuntu? Aug 25 20:51:05 my Apple BT keyboard doesn't work Aug 25 20:51:08 Touchpad Glass theme help anyone?? Aug 25 20:51:24 technikfreak: i'd do 4gb to be safe Aug 25 20:51:29 but 3 gb should work Aug 25 20:51:40 i ahve jus the 16 gb version Aug 25 20:51:48 and is the var_partiton recommended? Aug 25 20:51:51 i think i did 6 gb, but i am planning on mainly using the chroot parition and not much of webOS Aug 25 20:51:52 is it like a swap tahn Aug 25 20:52:02 same Aug 25 20:52:14 BrettQ: when you're pairing Aug 25 20:52:16 i believe someone said that /var wasn't needed anymore Aug 25 20:52:24 type the passcode on the touchpad and then hit submit then type it on the apple keyboard and hit enter Aug 25 20:52:28 it'll pair then Aug 25 20:52:32 yeah, i got it Aug 25 20:52:36 but the CTRL key fails Aug 25 20:52:48 sorry...wasn't clear on what didn't work with the kb Aug 25 20:53:39 no CTRL, ESC, arrow keys...such a huge fail for HP on that VKB Aug 25 20:54:00 it's definitely the key mapping in xterm that's screwing this up Aug 25 20:54:10 it's like none of those guys ever even used an iPad Aug 25 20:54:27 or thought about what use cases were for their product Aug 25 20:54:35 network admins need those keys... Aug 25 20:55:09 developers need an easy way to modify the VKB even if it is just providing a method to add another row of keys at the top... Aug 25 20:57:01 oehm should i need to do something edditnign in the webos meta doctor also fir preware Aug 25 20:57:52 umm...what? Aug 25 21:09:18 BrettQ : i mean is it necceasary if i like to run also optware and the ipkg tool with hundres off apps to change something via the meta doctor Aug 25 21:09:42 because each time i recmpile i ahve to reset my whole device (yeah i have learned :') ) Aug 25 21:16:07 juhuu i see tux logo on booting Aug 25 21:17:04 but nothing mor Aug 25 21:27:43 annoying Aug 25 21:27:53 i can get ctrl/alt to work fine in java script Aug 25 21:46:41 I will need to see if the hulu fix also fixes mog.com Aug 25 21:47:25 would greatly appreciate anyone who can look into a fix for mog.com Aug 25 21:53:16 anuboy here knows what magic stuff do I pass to mkimage so that the resultant multiimage with both kernel and ramdisk would actually be run by bootie like it does for just kernel images? Aug 25 21:53:44 drobbins, were you able to get enough space? Aug 25 22:08:27 Interesting issue... I metadoctored my TP with an 8GB EXT3 partition and installed the Ubuntu 11.04 chroot. Then I tried to install UberKernel, and it failed, complainging of not having enough space. However, I have 4GB free... Aug 25 22:09:01 s/complainging/complaining Aug 25 22:10:04 my keybaord is gone Aug 25 22:10:10 as i startet ubuntu Aug 25 22:10:15 is taht normal behavior? Aug 25 22:11:01 technikfreak: did you try and install a WM? Aug 25 22:11:13 yeah lxde Aug 25 22:11:16 Cerealklr: did you add the line to /etc/fstab ? Aug 25 22:11:22 technikfreak: it happened to me Aug 25 22:11:23 anyone know about the QHSUSB_DLOAD kind of problem? Aug 25 22:11:28 so than? Aug 25 22:11:30 I had to remove all the X stuff and reinstall Aug 25 22:11:39 oh ok Aug 25 22:11:48 but not create new partition Aug 25 22:11:54 and the second run it works? Aug 25 22:12:07 usually Aug 25 22:12:12 in my experiences, yes Aug 25 22:12:16 ok thx but no i go to bed Aug 25 22:12:26 i have understood today a lto but it is as well a challenge Aug 25 22:12:50 PatrickC_TP: I don't see anything pertaining to fstab. What needs added manually? I've installed UK previously without needing to do anytrhing manually Aug 25 22:13:08 and neither the ubuntuChroot page nor the Chrooting page talk about manual edits on the wiki Aug 25 22:13:37 I think it does Aug 25 22:13:42 lemme double check Aug 25 22:13:56 I used Find on both pages Aug 25 22:14:15 and on the UberKernel one for good measure Aug 25 22:14:17 nothing comes up Aug 25 22:14:39 Cerealklr: re-read the first line of the Ubuntu Chroot page Aug 25 22:14:45 it talks about mounting a bootup Aug 25 22:14:51 that's wah you need to do :) Aug 25 22:14:59 and it explains the issue you are having Aug 25 22:15:29 whoops, yep it does! Aug 25 22:15:52 Sorry for doubting you, and thanks! Aug 25 22:15:59 np Aug 25 22:16:39 so, any hints on how to embedd a ramdisk into the image so that bootie recognizes it as a ramdisk and actually switches command line arguments accordingly? Aug 25 22:29:01 Ugh! they patched the hole for using a demo device!!! Aug 25 22:30:29 why's that bad? Aug 25 22:30:51 well I bought one.. as a retail device.. no knowing Aug 25 22:31:05 so. I used impostah to make an account and everything was fine Aug 25 22:31:31 now.. I get a PAMS Code error Aug 25 22:33:24 ka6sox: haven't had a chance to play more Aug 25 22:36:21 hulu is working nicely :) Aug 25 22:36:26 looks great full-screen. Aug 25 22:36:28 http://forums.hpwebos.com/t5/HP-TouchPad-Software-Hardware/Can-t-register-new-Touchpad-DEMO/m-p/352440 Aug 25 22:36:34 there's a # thing to call there Aug 25 22:40:33 jonpry: interested re: klog patch Aug 25 22:41:04 ah yes, pretty straightforward Aug 25 22:41:24 kexec is turning into a nightmare though Aug 25 22:45:12 green--: ping Aug 25 22:45:13 rwhitby http://pastebin.com/dGhzgMSA Aug 25 22:46:39 jonpry: cheers. looks like a good thing to add to all our kernels Aug 25 22:47:20 other devices might need the klog params changed in their defconfig Aug 25 22:47:37 jonpry: do you want us to just include it with attribution, or do you want to get involved in the kernel team? Aug 25 22:48:59 just commit that if you would. i'm not sure if i will be doing any other patches. we'll see if my kexec thing ever works. Aug 25 22:49:57 jonpry: ok, thanks. do you want to /msg me an attribution line for git? Aug 25 22:51:25 Aug 25 22:51:56 hey guys, where can i download preware from? your site doesn't seem to have any links.. Aug 25 22:52:25 http://bit.ly/phd-ac has all the info you need Aug 25 22:53:45 rwhitby: yes? Aug 25 22:54:53 i'd greatly prefer not to read that on the touchpad itself Aug 25 22:55:10 green--: take a look at the nova-installer-image-topaz.uImage in the doctor for an example of what you wnat Aug 25 22:55:44 i'll gladly donate to you guys once i get it installed but i dont really want to pay a dollar for a harder to use manual than a page on my comp Aug 25 22:55:48 rwhitby: Yes, that's where I am digging to, I was just wondering if anybody have a recipe so that I won't need to unwind the whole thing Aug 25 22:56:00 is that a multiImage or initrd/initramfs integrated with kernel? Aug 25 22:56:06 ParadoxQuine: http://install.preware.org/ is an alternative Aug 25 22:56:22 green--: I haven't personally unwound it Aug 25 22:56:24 great, thanks rwhitby! Aug 25 22:56:28 linuxjacques: it is a multiimage of u-boot prepared images, it seems Aug 25 22:56:48 * rwhitby bbl Aug 25 22:56:54 rwhitby: I see, ok. thanks, I thik I almost got to the bottom of it anyway Aug 25 22:57:32 green--: please document what you find on our wiki thanks Aug 25 22:58:22 ok Aug 25 23:00:52 green--: thanks, mate Aug 25 23:03:30 rwhitby… any ideas on the PAM9994 error ?? Aug 25 23:04:03 djhomeboy: sorry, nope. Aug 25 23:04:17 so they patched Impostah Aug 25 23:04:58 talking to HP she says my unit is NOT a demo.. although I cannot login and I get this message Aug 25 23:10:54 djhomeboy: there have been many instances of errors on their server. this is just one of them. Aug 25 23:12:01 djhomeboy, what do you mean when you say "they patched impostah"? Aug 25 23:12:58 Impostah cant create an account anymore Aug 25 23:13:04 Activation Aug 25 23:13:17 Unable to authenticate Aug 25 23:13:34 which is very different from "they patched Impostah" Aug 25 23:13:47 umm, i just used impostah to activate my touchpad >1hr ago, so i know it works Aug 25 23:14:10 scoutcamper: this is just a normal profile server stuff-up at their end Aug 25 23:14:28 yep Aug 25 23:14:34 sconix has been trying to get one fixed for at least three weeks now Aug 25 23:15:07 tier 2 support couldnt fix? id be asking for a new device by now Aug 25 23:15:09 sorry what I meant was they fixed whatever it was that allowed someone to create an account using impostah? Aug 25 23:17:24 I dont know how imposta worked but.. I can no longer use it to create a web OS profile Aug 25 23:17:33 impostah* Aug 25 23:17:47 or login to an exsisting Aug 25 23:19:25 are you sure that it's not PEBKAC? Aug 25 23:19:34 ? Aug 25 23:19:55 scoutcamper: it's a profile problem. confirmed on Pre 2 and Pre 3 devices Aug 25 23:20:20 can u elaborate rwhitby? server related? Aug 25 23:20:24 like this will go away? Aug 25 23:20:40 only if Palm fixes your device profile on their server Aug 25 23:20:52 so you're gonna need to escalate and escalate Aug 25 23:21:14 nothing we can do Aug 25 23:23:58 rwhitby: os the wiki public or do I need special permissions to edit it, also what section do you think would be best to update, the http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Research_Pre_Boot_Process ? Aug 25 23:24:12 green--: it's public Aug 25 23:25:06 and yeah, that's a good page. or alternatively on the Bootie page as a specification of what types of images it accepts Aug 25 23:25:25 Meh, even if you don't add any more code, a conclusion would be nice :) Don't worry I keed I keed. Aug 25 23:26:20 HEY! YOU SHOULD FIX THIS! IT'S......RIDICULOUS. Aug 25 23:26:21 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Temperature_Sensor Aug 25 23:36:45 Quick quesiton: Am I safe to install a WM like Gnome, or better yet, a package like the whole ubuntu-netbook? Aug 25 23:36:55 On the Ubuntu Chroot, that is* Aug 25 23:41:59 Okay, I'm going to take the plunge out of curiosity. Aug 26 00:04:43 green--: thanks for the wiki contribution Aug 26 00:05:03 you might want to run it past some grammar and overall language checks Aug 26 00:05:18 at least I now have minimal debian distro running entirely from ramdisk ;) Aug 26 00:06:07 green--: and without all the drama of the multiple #touchdroid teams ;) Aug 26 00:06:09 rwhitby: Didn't you say that the touchpad didn't have NFC? Aug 26 00:06:31 running from ramdisk? nice! Aug 26 00:06:33 trsohmers: it doesn't. it has inductive token transfer over the touchstone A6 interface Aug 26 00:06:52 green--: link to the wiki article? Aug 26 00:06:54 # Aug 26 00:06:54 CONFIG_NFC=y Aug 26 00:07:10 0.o Aug 26 00:07:10 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Bootie Aug 26 00:07:14 ty Aug 26 00:07:58 trsohmers: Where did you find that at? Aug 26 00:08:09 config.gz Aug 26 00:09:01 I should specify that Aug 26 00:09:03 the Android config.gz Aug 26 00:09:04 trsohmers: you'd expect that on a basic android development build that is being used just as a harness for the "Production Test Tool" app Aug 26 00:09:31 rwhitby: Do you think it is possible that because it is a reference unit it actually has NFC? Aug 26 00:09:33 That makes a lot more sense Aug 26 00:09:37 that it is different from final production run Aug 26 00:09:54 trsohmers: those are stock units Aug 26 00:09:55 I wouldn't think so Aug 26 00:10:01 where did the unit surface from anyway? I see the bootloader seems to be very different Aug 26 00:10:03 can't you guys get that through your head? Aug 26 00:10:16 rwhitby: What makes you so sure they are stock units? Aug 26 00:10:34 seriously, the amount of misinformation that multiple touchdroid teams are distributing about these units is astounding Aug 26 00:10:56 they're super duper ultra double secret prototypes, rwhitby Aug 26 00:11:04 don't you know that? otherwise, why would they be running android Aug 26 00:12:00 bpadalino: I've heard they have gold in them instead of copper for the wires Aug 26 00:12:05 rwhitby: What do you mean by misinformation? Aug 26 00:12:12 This is the first place I came to ask about the NFC Aug 26 00:12:46 rwhitby: It wasn't just the wires. I heard they used Gold for the backing too. And that they had 1920x1080pixel displays Aug 26 00:13:14 Cerealklr: and all apps you purchase on it from the Android market are automatically free Aug 26 00:13:35 olah! Aug 26 00:13:48 Oh, really? Wow I'll have to try that! I thought it was just the iOS Apps, because it came with iOS dualboot in the _really_ early versions. Aug 26 00:14:09 anyway, can somebody clue me in where did these android units come from? Aug 26 00:14:10 Cerealklr: you have to type "ILoveSteve" at the bootloader prompt to get that Aug 26 00:14:25 Yessir. I'll get right on it! Aug 26 00:14:43 ... Aug 26 00:14:53 rwhitby: No one that I know of has said anything close to that Aug 26 00:14:54 Speaking of which, has anybody tried installing ubuntu-netbook on their ubuntu chroot yet? I'm doing it right now out of hopeful curiosity. Aug 26 00:15:01 by that I mean in that sort of stupidity Aug 26 00:15:34 Cerealklr: You can get the ubuntu netbook interface from apt-get… I forget the name of it though... Aug 26 00:15:43 its ubuntu-netbook Aug 26 00:15:46 I'm installing it as we speak Aug 26 00:15:48 you can also get a Maemo style interface, which I also forget the name of Aug 26 00:15:50 Cerealklr, how do I do that? Aug 26 00:15:50 oh OK Aug 26 00:15:52 just wanted to know if anyone else had done it yet Aug 26 00:15:54 =D Aug 26 00:15:57 apt-get install ubuntu-netbook Aug 26 00:16:00 PDunny: ^^ Aug 26 00:16:10 lmao Aug 26 00:16:22 Well, wonder if I can apt-get install kubuntu-mobile Aug 26 00:16:31 PDunny: I haven't finished yet. I don't know if it'll assplode or anything Aug 26 00:16:49 if you're not feeling adventurous I recommend you wait a bit til mine finished and I'll let you know how it goes. =D Aug 26 00:16:52 I want to create a whole new chroot though Aug 26 00:17:07 Well I have been trying multiple diff things Aug 26 00:17:11 Go to #Touchpad-Ubuntu Aug 26 00:17:44 #Touch channels have been opening up like the plague, eh? Aug 26 00:17:59 lmao yeah they have Cerealklr Aug 26 00:18:01 N/C Aug 26 00:18:04 As for that, if the goal is to replace WebOS w/ Ubuntu, no thanks! =D Aug 26 00:18:05 Cause so many diff projects on it Aug 26 00:18:13 Cerealklr, Not my goal Aug 26 00:18:15 I want both Aug 26 00:18:43 #touchmebabyonemoretime Aug 26 00:18:57 Why has it split into it's own channel then, when the WebOS Internals guys have already gotten just about everything going? =D Aug 26 00:19:18 Ohhh, speaking of which, does anyone know the progress of getting one Xserver to power multiple cards? Aug 26 00:19:19 different projects, different goals Aug 26 00:19:19 Cerealklr: lots of NIH in the Android world it seems Aug 26 00:19:21 Well someone suggested I make a channel for it in here Aug 26 00:19:30 Cerealklr: the default mode of operation seems to be forking rather than collaboration Aug 26 00:19:40 lol Aug 26 00:19:46 (NIH = Not Invented Here) Aug 26 00:19:51 I gave up on the android guys Aug 26 00:20:00 They were a bunch of 10 year olds fighting over glory Aug 26 00:20:05 I just want something to work Aug 26 00:20:11 well Aug 26 00:20:18 Woo! Processing triggers. Here we hopefully come! Aug 26 00:20:35 rwhitby: Just found that out, though Google insisted I meant to type Nihilism. Aug 26 00:20:58 =D Well, that's sort of silly. Especially when the forks don't add particularly much and don't tend to credit the initiators Aug 26 00:21:11 PDunny: they're still fighting. I count at least 5 groups racing to get something out first. Aug 26 00:21:21 Uh oh, upstart failed to start up Aug 26 00:21:25 lol rwhitby yeah it's funny Aug 26 00:21:27 but everything else is looking great Aug 26 00:21:40 Finishing the setup stage now Aug 26 00:21:57 Especially since webOS is more powerful and would be easier to just get something to allow the apps to run Aug 26 00:22:24 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/TabletList Aug 26 00:23:32 Trying to launch the GUI on kubuntu mobile but no clue what command to use:/ Aug 26 00:23:35 uberkernel won't install Aug 26 00:23:43 rwhitby: what are we racing for? Aug 26 00:23:47 siestacat: I can help! Aug 26 00:23:53 I presume you've installed the ubuntu chroot? Aug 26 00:23:56 cool Aug 26 00:24:07 yes Cerealklr Aug 26 00:24:13 I have Aug 26 00:24:14 Cereals: did you ever get it installed? :) Aug 26 00:24:24 PatrickC_TP: Yes, thanks to you!@ Aug 26 00:24:25 Cerealklr * Aug 26 00:24:31 happy to help! Aug 26 00:24:32 siestacat: You're having the same issue I did earlier today! Aug 26 00:24:36 cereals let me email you Kong log Aug 26 00:24:42 ipkg Aug 26 00:24:50 siestacat: just scroll through it yourself Aug 26 00:24:56 if you see a message about it having run out of space Aug 26 00:24:59 I know your problem. =] Aug 26 00:25:02 PatrickC_TP: "we" are not racing for anything. Aug 26 00:25:05 thats it Aug 26 00:25:15 Okay, then what has happened was Aug 26 00:25:15 rwhitby: who's racing for what? I came in late Aug 26 00:25:23 you were successful in setting up your EXT3 partition Aug 26 00:25:43 but missed the *super important* extra step to mount the EXT3 partition before installing the ubuntu chroot package Aug 26 00:25:53 AFAIK, you need to re-doctor in order to fix the slip up Aug 26 00:26:03 I didn't doctor Aug 26 00:26:11 I just installed chroot Aug 26 00:26:12 what's the point in ubuntu chroot anyway? run the real thing if you are that interested in it Aug 26 00:26:13 Anyone get WPA2 working successfully on webos recently? Aug 26 00:26:21 Cerealklr: I never had to doctor to fix, and you shouldn't have had to Aug 26 00:26:35 Jack87: didn't know it wasn't working, I use WPA2 on my Pre2 all the time Aug 26 00:26:35 PatrickC_TP: odd, it didn't work for me when until I did Aug 26 00:26:49 siestacat: You need to either use the image method (not suggested), or doctor in order to install and use the ubuntu chroot Aug 26 00:26:53 that's odd Aug 26 00:26:56 if you do not do so, things will break in unexpected ways Aug 26 00:27:01 SineOt, Since webos came out it worked without a hitch up untill about 2 months ago Aug 26 00:27:10 siestacat: uninstall the ubuntu chroot Aug 26 00:27:21 image method? Aug 26 00:27:25 Now i cant get any webos device to connect to the school's wpa2 enterprise network Aug 26 00:27:38 siestacat: The proper method is to set up a chroot using metadoctor, like so: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Chrooting Aug 26 00:27:43 then follow the instructions in the Wiki to add the line to the Chroot Aug 26 00:27:51 Cerealklr: I know what was wrong Aug 26 00:27:56 the wiki is wrong Aug 26 00:27:57 But you can go the image route, which is somewhat simpler, as listed here: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/UbuntuChroot Aug 26 00:29:00 I use WPA2 for my network and it works great Aug 26 00:29:06 If you go the chroot route, you'll need to modify your /etc/fstab as listed here: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor#How_to_get_the_optional_ext3fs_partition_mounted_at_device_boot Aug 26 00:29:14 PatrickC_TP: what was up with it? Aug 26 00:29:53 Cerealklr: echo "/dev/mapper/store-ext3fs /media/ext3fs ext3 noatime,data=writeback 0 0" >> /etc/fstab Aug 26 00:29:54 that should be Aug 26 00:29:57 I'll use IMG method Aug 26 00:30:27 /dev/mapper/store-ext3fs /media/ext3fs ext3 noatime,data=writeback 0 0 Aug 26 00:30:44 green--: with bootie, should we eventually see a bootloader allowing multiple OS like we have on Maemo/N900? Aug 26 00:30:46 and it should be placed right above the last line in the /etc/fstab file Aug 26 00:31:01 at least that's what I did Aug 26 00:31:07 and it worked for me on 2 devices Aug 26 00:31:17 hrmm? What's the difference? Aug 26 00:31:29 Jack87: ah, WPA2 enterprise. Yeah, no idea on WPA2 enterprise support. :( Aug 26 00:31:31 BrettQ_: I dunno, but I see no reason why not. Bootie has a chain loader code, or at the very least you can always load a minimal kernel+ramdisk thingie with menu and kexec another kernel from there Aug 26 00:31:39 Jack87: it's probably something that changed on the school's end Aug 26 00:31:57 They appear to be identical Aug 26 00:31:59 SineOt, but nothing has changed i looked into it Aug 26 00:32:00 Cerealklr: take a look :) I don't "echo" and add the "" and the stuff at the end Aug 26 00:32:17 oh? curious Aug 26 00:32:18 hold on Aug 26 00:32:23 yeah Aug 26 00:32:25 Patrick or cerealklr Aug 26 00:32:30 yeah> Aug 26 00:32:32 green--: sounds like I have some reading to do on that then Aug 26 00:32:35 I uninstalled it Aug 26 00:32:37 especially considering it worked when I did it from a fresh doctor Aug 26 00:32:37 s/>/?/ Aug 26 00:32:37 PatrickC_TP meant: yeah? Aug 26 00:32:39 ubuntu Aug 26 00:32:42 ok Aug 26 00:32:44 and nothing... Aug 26 00:32:47 noninstall Aug 26 00:32:48 PatrickC_TP: the wiki is not wrong Aug 26 00:33:04 rwhitby: I didn't go that way, and it worked for me the way I did it Aug 26 00:33:12 :/ Aug 26 00:33:20 and people like Cerealklr who went the way of the wiki had to doctor to fix Aug 26 00:33:22 PatrickC: Have you restarted and attempted something that would generate the error since then? Aug 26 00:33:24 I still can'tr find this shit it's irritating me Aug 26 00:33:28 but I do like the chroot method because overall I like webOS, but just want to be able to run the occasional Linux program too Aug 26 00:33:53 Cerealklr: huh? Aug 26 00:33:55 IMG method over writes wdbos? Aug 26 00:34:21 PatrickC_TP: I'm curious if your method was appropriately persistent, since it would be really weird if it worked both ways Aug 26 00:34:50 yeah.. I did it on 2 touchpads, and it worked on both of them my way Aug 26 00:35:41 patrick, did you put echo " ...." in your fstab directly, or did you run it at the root prompt on the device Aug 26 00:36:04 dwc-: directly Aug 26 00:36:08 OH Aug 26 00:36:16 =D Good call, dwc- Aug 26 00:36:28 sigh Aug 26 00:36:37 PatrickC_TP: That line inserted the text between quotes into the fstab for you Aug 26 00:36:43 ah Aug 26 00:37:07 * dwc- runs over to an mIRC client to fetch a large trout Aug 26 00:37:17 * dwc- slaps PatrickC_TP around a bit with it Aug 26 00:37:33 * Jack87 will export all certs from computer and import to WebOS device and try one by one Aug 26 00:38:15 Update on ubuntu-netbook: Issue with CUPs came up at some point, and through off several conf dependencies for other things. It doesn't look fatal. Aug 26 00:38:23 wirc-enyo woooooo Aug 26 00:38:26 /s/through/threw Aug 26 00:38:40 PuffTheMagic_: YES Aug 26 00:38:44 PuffTheMagic: Sooo much agreed. Especially with the BT keyboard. Aug 26 00:39:07 * PatrickC_TP is using the BT keyboard right now :) Aug 26 00:39:11 * dwc- finds wirc-mojo more useful, personally Aug 26 00:39:37 since the phone is more portable and doesn't need wifi to go with it Aug 26 00:39:56 but when I'm on the touchpad, I like the Enyo UI better Aug 26 00:40:15 dwc- I have the phone with me anyway, so I simply use FreeTether, and suddenly wirc-enyo can go anywhere wirc-mojo can Aug 26 00:40:23 with much more screen space and a much bigger keyboard. =D Aug 26 00:40:26 Cerealklr: yea, but then I have to turn freetether on! Aug 26 00:40:33 Tsk, lazy. Aug 26 00:40:35 and kill off two batteries Aug 26 00:40:39 That's what Mode Switcher is for Aug 26 00:40:48 lol Aug 26 00:40:51 dwc-: I bought 5 batters, $2.50 each. Aug 26 00:40:52 what would I mode switcher on? Aug 26 00:41:01 batteries* Aug 26 00:41:04 yea, I bought 1, $2.50. Aug 26 00:41:09 and probably geographically Aug 26 00:41:21 if I need more, I'll probably try amazon Aug 26 00:44:17 PuffTheMagic: where do we get the Enyo version of wirc. Aug 26 00:45:00 its not officially out yet Aug 26 00:45:07 u can build it from git if u want Aug 26 00:45:54 :/ Aug 26 00:46:15 This is pissing me off now Aug 26 00:46:29 PDunny: what's up? Aug 26 00:46:32 I have never seen anything with such a lack of documentation Aug 26 00:46:40 Trying to get kubuntu-mobile to work Aug 26 00:46:46 =D gotcha Aug 26 00:46:56 hey Aug 26 00:47:01 cerealklr Aug 26 00:47:06 siestacat: yep? Aug 26 00:47:08 I uninstalled ubuntuchroot Aug 26 00:47:12 I can't even find out what desktop environment they are using ..... anyone think of a way to launch a login screen? Aug 26 00:47:18 gotcha Aug 26 00:47:18 how do I install uberkernel? Aug 26 00:47:24 still getting error Aug 26 00:47:25 PuffTheMagic: thanks Aug 26 00:47:29 I never did meta doctor Aug 26 00:47:30 PDunny: LOL u dont know what DE kubuntu uses Aug 26 00:47:37 just regular doctor Aug 26 00:47:37 should probably stop right now Aug 26 00:47:39 PDunny: Kubuntu runs on KDE, so I would assume Kubuntu-Mobile does as well Aug 26 00:48:02 Cerealklr, You would assume that wouldn't you? Aug 26 00:48:14 siestacat? so, you regular doctored after the issue with ubuntuchroot, and before reinstalling ubuntu chroot, you tried to install UK, and it failed? Aug 26 00:48:21 So typing kde or kdm should launch it correct? Aug 26 00:48:25 cerealklr Aug 26 00:48:26 no Aug 26 00:48:30 here's how it went Aug 26 00:49:09 PDunny: Never run kubuntu, but that seems sound Aug 26 00:49:19 cerealkillr : doctored (normal), then installed ubuntuchroot with prepare and haven't done anything since Aug 26 00:49:25 If not, i'd ls /usr/bin/ | more Aug 26 00:49:28 attempted to mount via tp Aug 26 00:49:31 and scroll through for things that look good Aug 26 00:49:34 might have screwed up Aug 26 00:49:40 siestacat: As I said before, I was unable to until I doctored again. Aug 26 00:50:06 PatrickC was able to because the mistake he made was of a fundamentally different nature Aug 26 00:50:30 Unless, of course, rwhitby knows some more magic to get you out of it without doctoring, you're going to need to Aug 26 00:50:37 and at that rate, you might as well do the chroot properly Aug 26 00:50:41 What's up with upstart? Aug 26 00:50:50 PDunny: You having trouble with it too? Aug 26 00:50:59 Doctoring teaches folks to read instructions more closely and do more research before typing commands they don't understand yet. Aug 26 00:51:07 Also, i've been Generating en_US.UTF-8 locale for internal Lintian use... Aug 26 00:51:11 for farrr too long. Aug 26 00:51:31 Looks like I may be in for some gymnastics with ubuntu-netbook as well. Aug 26 00:52:44 Oh goodness Aug 26 00:52:47 it may've actually frozen Aug 26 00:52:51 instead of gotten stuck Aug 26 00:53:35 Judging by the fact that ctrl-C has no effect Aug 26 00:53:38 i'm going to say it locked up Aug 26 00:53:45 siestacat: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/UbuntuChroot Aug 26 00:54:05 you have to create the image file and mount it first Aug 26 00:54:25 then install UbuntuChroot Aug 26 00:54:26 BrettQ, or.... Aug 26 00:56:28 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicKoala/ReleaseNotes#Upstart_jobs_cannot_be_run_in_a_chroot Aug 26 00:56:36 Fixes upstart Aug 26 00:57:41 PDunny: Good find!@ Aug 26 00:58:22 :P Aug 26 00:58:24 rwhitby: Are their any known cases specific to the WebOS implementation in which Xserver freezes (or its painting to its card) Aug 26 00:58:32 ? Aug 26 00:58:39 Doesn't fix my kdm start Aug 26 00:58:52 sudo apt-get install ubuntu-netbook Aug 26 00:59:03 -.- sorry, wrong keyboard! Aug 26 00:59:17 lmao Aug 26 00:59:26 upstart? Aug 26 00:59:37 running those commands will fix me? Aug 26 01:00:11 siestacat: No, that's for me. Aug 26 01:00:20 We're working together on making an ubuntu graphical interface work Aug 26 01:00:51 chroot has no interface? Aug 26 01:01:00 uhm, it has a terminal interface. Aug 26 01:01:05 oh... Aug 26 01:01:11 that sucks Aug 26 01:01:19 yes, GUI would be great Aug 26 01:01:29 so I need to redoctor Aug 26 01:01:41 that means I have to reinstall eveeeerything Aug 26 01:01:45 damn it Aug 26 01:02:07 Does closing a card opened by Executah close the associated Xserver? Aug 26 01:02:28 about how long should a touchpad/preware install take? host pc is a wired, cable connection Aug 26 01:02:40 2 seconds max Aug 26 01:02:48 Guest49545: Are you installing it immediately after a doctor? Aug 26 01:03:06 If so, it may queue itself behind the app catalog, as it backs up your apps Aug 26 01:03:10 that has happened to me once or twice Aug 26 01:03:21 Otherwise, as rwhitby said, something's amiss if it takes longer Aug 26 01:03:29 doh! ...i was following instructions here: http://forums.precentral.net/hp-touchpad-apps/289569-simple-steps-install-webosquickinstaller-preware-touchpad.html Aug 26 01:03:54 this is my first attempt at customizing - so i dont thin its backing anything up Aug 26 01:04:11 if i kill the webos quick install process do i risk bricking my TP? Aug 26 01:04:17 you should follow http://bit.ly/phd-ac Aug 26 01:06:35 Guest49545 don't think so, you can just redoctor if you have fatal errors Aug 26 01:06:47 cool, thx Aug 26 01:07:05 np Aug 26 01:07:14 it might not install right Aug 26 01:07:46 so you would just have to reinstall whatever application you're installing atm Aug 26 01:11:35 good evening (or morning depending on what side of the world you are on) Aug 26 01:11:44 and to you Aug 26 01:11:49 hello Aug 26 01:11:59 ~ugt Aug 26 01:11:59 i heard ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html Aug 26 01:12:26 haha Aug 26 01:12:32 lol Aug 26 01:12:33 love infobot Aug 26 01:13:30 pezman: debian chroot? Aug 26 01:13:44 I was on earlier asking...does anyone know how ubuntu chroot extracts it's tgz file to the ext3fd Aug 26 01:13:49 YES!!! Aug 26 01:14:12 are there any other distros running on tp? Aug 26 01:14:15 pezman: http://git.webos-internals.org/preware/build/tree/testing/ubuntu-natty-chroot/control/postinst Aug 26 01:14:54 PDunny: The upstart thing appears to have fixed everything! =D Aug 26 01:15:07 pezman: when you have a minimal image downloadable from a verifiably trusted site, let us know and we'll help you get it into Preware Aug 26 01:15:32 pezman: alternatively, if you have a way to build the image on a Ubuntu 10.04 box, we can have the autobuilder build it. Aug 26 01:15:32 awesome Aug 26 01:15:53 pezman: e.g like line 55 of http://git.webos-internals.org/preware/build/tree/testing/ubuntu-natty-chroot/Makefile Aug 26 01:16:14 pezman: and then we'll add it as an option in Xecutah Aug 26 01:16:32 I followed the instructions on the wiki to get the img for debian squeeze Aug 26 01:17:03 built on ubuntu...but I'm on the latest one Aug 26 01:18:21 is this a good place to ask for preware app advice or is there another channel just for preware? Aug 26 01:18:41 cool. I'll play around with those tomorrow. thanks rod Aug 26 01:18:52 ParadoxQuine: if you've read http://bit.ly/phd-ac and the Preware thread on PreCentral, then this is the place Aug 26 01:18:57 anyone having trouble getting ms live to work on webos ? Aug 26 01:19:18 ParadoxQuine: oh, you're expected to have searched Google too. Aug 26 01:19:30 is it worth it to upgrade to the 1.9GHz kernel, or will my touchpad melt? Aug 26 01:19:40 ok. i think i've scoured things pretty well but i'll look for another few mins before asking Aug 26 01:19:45 thanks rwhitby Aug 26 01:19:48 ParadoxQuine: and the Preware wiki page Aug 26 01:20:05 ParadoxQuine: good man, you'll get on fine here with that good attitue. Aug 26 01:20:32 hey guys Aug 26 01:20:38 JVM, its ot Aug 26 01:20:41 nvm* Aug 26 01:22:02 hey, anyone heard of SHR? Aug 26 01:22:25 brb Aug 26 01:22:26 they have a version of it for the pre, and was just wondering if there was anything for touchpads Aug 26 01:22:38 sailerboy: yep, openmoko distro ported to Pre Aug 26 01:22:55 * rwhitby did the build makefile for them back in openmoko days Aug 26 01:24:21 ello Aug 26 01:25:04 someone help on ssh server on me touchpad Aug 26 01:25:10 * rwhitby bbl Aug 26 01:26:31 password is disabled what should I do Aug 26 01:27:12 can anyone help with meta doctoring via ubhntu? Aug 26 01:27:24 I'm getting more retarded errors I dint understand Aug 26 01:27:46 anyone know how to modify the TP useragent? Aug 26 01:28:01 i'd like to set it to iPad so i get custom tab sites for those that have them Aug 26 01:28:03 like gmail Aug 26 01:28:06 How the fuck does WPA2 - Enterprise just not work anymore Aug 26 01:29:21 also I can't install sdlterminal Aug 26 01:31:10 siestacat: what step are you getting errors on? Aug 26 01:31:26 compiling it Aug 26 01:31:31 I get a make error Aug 26 01:31:41 rwhitby: Have special keymappings for sending Ctrl been set up for Xecutah apps yet? the ctrl key on my BT Keyboard isn't working, and i'm not sure what else to try. Searching the wiki reveals nothing Aug 26 01:31:43 hold on, I have to fix grub Aug 26 01:33:33 Cerealklr, no ctrl mappings have been made Aug 26 01:35:51 scoutcamper: Sad panda. So emacs is unusable, as are most command line programs still? Aug 26 01:35:59 yes Aug 26 01:42:20 directions for preware on touchpad anyone Aug 26 01:42:34 same as on the other devices Aug 26 01:42:51 is it the same as a year ago ? Aug 26 01:42:57 download webos doctor patch it ? Aug 26 01:43:45 nah. much easier now Aug 26 01:43:52 url ? Aug 26 01:44:10 http://forums.precentral.net/canuck-coding/274461-webos-quick-install-v4-0-a.html Aug 26 01:46:27 hm...so I'm trying to add downloading of arbitrary files to my browser and having a hard time finding the current best way to do it. i installed "add download link" but that seems to do nothing when i try to download files. any suggestions? Aug 26 01:47:44 anyone have a novacom driver mirror ? Aug 26 01:48:49 to install the novacom driver i went to https://developer.palm.com/content/resources/develop/sdk_pdk_download.html, got the dev tools and just unchecked everything else when installing Aug 26 01:49:28 you can get novacom from opensource.palm.com Aug 26 01:49:33 they have download links there Aug 26 01:50:25 is it just me or that site real slow Aug 26 01:50:43 justy ou Aug 26 01:52:00 looks like so far sending the Demo off to HP is the only fix now.. I'd like to know how they stopped us from using the Impostah tool Aug 26 01:52:29 anyone here able to talk about issues with the advanced system prefs patches? Aug 26 01:53:32 or alternately issues with preware since what I'm seeing shouldn't really be possible---removing a patch and the effects are still present, even after a cold device boot, running EPR doesn't help Aug 26 01:55:51 is there a custom kernel for touchpad ? Aug 26 01:56:37 several i believe Aug 26 01:57:04 they're on preware i take it? Aug 26 01:58:47 =D Aug 26 01:58:51 IT LIVES Aug 26 01:58:53 MWAHAHAHAHA Aug 26 01:59:14 I have ubuntu-netbook running in Xecutah on my TP! =D Aug 26 01:59:34 nice Aug 26 01:59:58 oh man, if I can figure out keyboard mappings too, I don't need to lug my laptop with me anymore! Aug 26 02:06:09 is there a…comparison or anything Aug 26 02:06:18 between no chroot running and a chroot running Aug 26 02:06:20 hum Aug 26 02:06:20 BrettQ_ Aug 26 02:06:34 obviously gonna be more taxing on the CPU to run one but how much Aug 26 02:06:40 I'm trying to meta doctor Aug 26 02:06:45 and I got to my error Aug 26 02:06:52 k Aug 26 02:06:53 can anyone help me? Aug 26 02:06:56 ahh Aug 26 02:06:59 you are here. Aug 26 02:07:02 anyway Aug 26 02:07:02 Cerealklr, how'd you get it working? Aug 26 02:07:05 well, my ubuntu chroot itself is running somewhat slowly Aug 26 02:07:11 but the touchpad is still performing at full speed Aug 26 02:07:11 I get make error 2 Aug 26 02:07:18 I think it might not be allocating enough cycles to the chroot actually Aug 26 02:07:21 which says Aug 26 02:07:32 rwhitby: is there a way to reduce the nice value of Xecutah apps? Aug 26 02:07:49 "please download correct version of webosdocyor and put it in dowmloads" Aug 26 02:07:57 siestacat: do as it says Aug 26 02:08:01 there's a link on the wiki Aug 26 02:08:10 to a page with every webos doctor's download link Aug 26 02:08:15 choose the one appropriate to your advice Aug 26 02:08:20 download it, and follow the instructions Aug 26 02:09:11 what file is in your downloads directory? Aug 26 02:09:12 Cerealklr, how'd you get ubuntu netbook running? Aug 26 02:09:16 What gui? Aug 26 02:09:17 Actually, I bet niceness isn't the issue Aug 26 02:09:21 ahhh Aug 26 02:09:27 I have a feeling it's running as a single process Aug 26 02:09:32 so it can't utilize the second core Aug 26 02:09:35 it was right on the bottom of the mt Aug 26 02:09:37 which is why the TP is still butter smooth Aug 26 02:09:40 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions Aug 26 02:09:41 eta doctors page Aug 26 02:09:59 I fixed it Brett, thanks for your help Aug 26 02:10:03 PDunny: I'll write up a wiki entry in a bit, but I can give you a brief guide now if you like Aug 26 02:10:13 excellent! Aug 26 02:10:16 still some issues that need ironed out, but I could use some help if you're feeling adventurous Aug 26 02:10:21 hold on Aug 26 02:10:25 for ubuntu Aug 26 02:10:30 ok what's up? Aug 26 02:10:36 My girl is already pissed at me lmao Aug 26 02:10:36 do I have to uncomment anything in the makefile? Aug 26 02:10:52 if you want to partition, you do Aug 26 02:11:00 I want it for ubuntu Aug 26 02:11:08 or if you want Prepare pre-installed Aug 26 02:11:11 what do I uncomment? Aug 26 02:11:12 well, not everything's running appropriately. and I assume only part of that is because i'm running as root Aug 26 02:11:19 and starting my x-session by cheating Aug 26 02:11:25 if you want to get to where I am: Aug 26 02:11:29 see the Makefile? Aug 26 02:11:37 yes Aug 26 02:11:45 at the top, it tells you what each option does Aug 26 02:12:10 1. Apply the upstart workaround you found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicKoala/ReleaseNotes#Upstart_jobs_cannot_be_run_in_a_chroot Aug 26 02:12:19 got it Aug 26 02:12:25 just read the top and choose the options to uncomment Aug 26 02:12:25 2. sudo apt-get install ubuntu-netbook Aug 26 02:12:35 be careful not to hit the arrow keys or ctrl key on the BT KB at this time Aug 26 02:12:41 and customize the size of the partition if needed Aug 26 02:12:48 hitting the wrong keys will occasionally send bad key values that occasionally freeze my terminal Aug 26 02:12:53 which could cause a mess Aug 26 02:12:55 lol Aug 26 02:13:03 I had to reconfigure halfway through via dpkg Aug 26 02:13:07 because of that Aug 26 02:13:12 once it's all installed Aug 26 02:13:25 you can start gdm with Aug 26 02:13:29 start gdm Aug 26 02:13:34 and follow that with sudo x-session-manager Aug 26 02:13:37 to hack x into being up Aug 26 02:13:48 so when not at work, I don't touch my iPad2 much anymore... Aug 26 02:14:34 I keep getting start no such command but will try Aug 26 02:14:39 Cerealklr: this is all on top of the UbuntuChroot? Aug 26 02:14:45 I don't have netbook edition yet Aug 26 02:14:58 brettq_: mhmm! Aug 26 02:15:04 not bad Aug 26 02:15:33 And if I am far seeing, it is only because I have stood upon the shoulders of giants... Aug 26 02:15:35 =] Aug 26 02:16:08 I am hoping what I learn here will carry over to MeeGo so I can use the same chroot image on both devices Aug 26 02:16:48 BrettQ_ Aug 26 02:16:58 can I mount partition from tp? Aug 26 02:17:04 after I doctor it? Aug 26 02:17:29 are you going the partition route or using the image file? Aug 26 02:17:36 partition Aug 26 02:17:58 zsh Aug 26 02:18:25 darnit! I keep using the wrong keyboard Aug 26 02:18:27 =D Aug 26 02:18:54 I would mount using novaterm with the TP connected Aug 26 02:19:08 but can I do it on the tpad? Aug 26 02:19:20 yep Aug 26 02:19:29 yes Aug 26 02:19:34 but you'd need to install Xecutah and Xterm first Aug 26 02:19:39 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor#How_to_get_the_optional_ext3fs_partition_mounted_at_device_boot Aug 26 02:19:40 which are only available in the testing feed Aug 26 02:19:43 yup Aug 26 02:19:46 it is much simpler to use novaterm Aug 26 02:19:50 Ok just installed netbook edition Aug 26 02:19:55 * BrettQ_ agrees Aug 26 02:20:08 I have xecutah already Aug 26 02:20:46 hey... can one add mouse support to webOS by hacking at node.js? Aug 26 02:20:59 where does webOS get its input from?? Aug 26 02:21:25 rainbows & unicorns? Aug 26 02:21:35 soorry...that's Apple... Aug 26 02:21:58 ARGH no space left on device gotta remove some crap Aug 26 02:22:18 how big is hour ext3 partitoon? Aug 26 02:22:33 wow...spellfail tonight Aug 26 02:23:23 so, nobody has been able to hack the Touchpad VKB yet, right? Aug 26 02:25:09 hum anyway to format my ubuntu partition without doctoring? Aug 26 02:25:48 BrettQ, not yet haven' Aug 26 02:25:52 t even tried to Aug 26 02:26:42 not sure about formatting Aug 26 02:27:01 is there a version of gparted for ARM? Aug 26 02:28:54 how much of the chroot stuff is dealing with hardware vs dealing with scripts? Aug 26 02:29:59 what do you mean? Aug 26 02:33:55 rwhitby, i know it's kind of late, but have you heard anything about SHR regarding touchpads, or is there someone else to ask? Aug 26 02:35:25 Ok reinstalling ubuntu-netbook since I ran out of space last time Aug 26 02:35:35 If works well will likely be redoctoring tomorrow:) Aug 26 02:36:21 Shit same thing happened again Aug 26 02:37:11 Time to just redoctor and start over' Aug 26 02:41:57 free webos apps ;) http://blog.palm.com/palm/2011/08/6-pack.html Aug 26 02:42:06 ok I'd like to start modifying some of the patches for full-screen browser and such to work on the touchpad (i'm guessing it's just not finding the files at the right path now when the patch fails to apply) - where do i start? (the wiki is a bit complicated in its organization) Aug 26 02:44:01 the bloody enter key Aug 26 02:44:04 doesn't work Aug 26 02:44:06 in visudo Aug 26 02:44:13 not only does it not work, it's mapped to something super weird Aug 26 02:44:17 what the heck Aug 26 02:44:40 hey Aug 26 02:44:52 lol Aug 26 02:45:03 is the WIDK supposed to be setup in Ubuntu 686 or 386? Aug 26 02:45:39 and can anyone help me add my public key to the correct place on the touchpad filesystem so i can ssh into it? Aug 26 02:46:02 Cerealklr, on screen or bluetooth? Aug 26 02:48:32 I was using novaterm Aug 26 02:48:41 I cirvumvented the issue by using root to add my account to the admin group Aug 26 02:49:40 now, if my guess is right, hitting the ctrl key is what screwed up my key mappings before Aug 26 02:49:43 so I want to avoid that now, I think Aug 26 02:49:46 =P Aug 26 02:49:50 lol Aug 26 02:50:16 as I recall Aug 26 02:50:19 Well I am doing a new wipe so I can start fresh then will try and do the ubuntu-netbook is it looking pretty good? Aug 26 02:50:21 there's an option to swap caps lock Aug 26 02:50:24 into being an extra ctrl key Aug 26 02:50:27 which I should be able to use Aug 26 02:50:31 Have you tried checking out ginn? Aug 26 02:50:35 its looking great Aug 26 02:50:42 it runs a little slowly, but I can look into optimizing it in a bit Aug 26 02:50:47 ginn? Aug 26 02:51:08 ginn will allow us to create custom gestures, ie 2 finger touches == rmb Aug 26 02:51:18 etc etc Aug 26 02:51:28 #ubuntu-touch is very useful:) Aug 26 02:51:45 yea, uh, nowhere near there yet Aug 26 02:51:47 =D Aug 26 02:51:52 lmao Aug 26 02:51:57 okay Aug 26 02:51:59 so Aug 26 02:52:01 turns out I was wrong Aug 26 02:52:03 I guess enabling caps lock Aug 26 02:52:06 as additional ctrl Aug 26 02:52:10 is what broke everything Aug 26 02:52:24 Well I think I just needed gnome running to get ginn working but not sure Aug 26 02:52:26 :/ Aug 26 02:52:34 ~complaints Aug 26 02:52:34 complaints is, like, all complaints are to be directed at oil Aug 26 02:52:44 hehe Aug 26 02:53:06 Pdunny, that may be, but if I need a ctrl key Aug 26 02:53:11 before I need touch modifiers Aug 26 02:53:13 =D Aug 26 02:53:46 lol why?\ Aug 26 02:54:01 ctrl is over rated, I prefer to not have ctrl Aug 26 02:54:07 0.o Aug 26 02:54:11 things Aug 26 02:54:14 don't work Aug 26 02:54:16 without control Aug 26 02:54:45 ugh...TP just lost WiFi even though it showed a full signal Aug 26 02:55:27 oh the beautiful strings of errors Aug 26 02:55:31 on the plus side, i'm logged in as me now Aug 26 02:55:35 instead of root Aug 26 02:55:37 so Aug 26 02:55:39 that counts for something Aug 26 02:55:55 man, a lot of issues though Aug 26 02:55:59 DBus appears to be down Aug 26 02:57:04 Likely a chroot issue Aug 26 02:57:21 not logged on as root is good Aug 26 02:58:22 pfft, i don't need my hand held :P **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Aug 26 02:59:57 2011