**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Aug 30 02:59:57 2011 Aug 30 03:03:36 Wow... it seems like everyone and their mother uses webos-kernel-testing feeds... Aug 30 03:03:55 Someone should throw in a unstable kernel to mess with people Aug 30 03:04:16 * AtomicPlayboy snickers Aug 30 03:11:28 BrettQ: thanks for the WIDK wiki update Aug 30 03:13:05 np...in the end I realized that Lenny wasn't going to work. need to upgrade to squeeze to take care of a few issues with qemu Aug 30 03:14:12 lolwut Aug 30 03:14:14 I need to flash this Aug 30 03:15:00 DQn3ts: Re: the xserver update - it is a testing feed, so you should expect things like that to happen. Aug 30 03:16:06 Commie-sama: how's it going? Aug 30 03:17:54 doctor is running Aug 30 03:18:06 the "make" thing ran fine Aug 30 03:18:15 Cool Aug 30 03:18:23 I just feel like I'm missing something that's right in front of my face XD Aug 30 03:18:34 WEll go back through it step by step a few times Aug 30 03:18:38 It's not like you can brick it :) Aug 30 03:19:03 I know, that's the nice thing... considering I always have bad luck when it comes to electronics Aug 30 03:30:18 A tip to folks helping people in the channel - your first question should be "do you have a complete log of everything you did, including running the doctor on the command line, in a pastebin.com for me to look at first" Aug 30 03:30:52 Get the full story in a pastebin first, the answer is always obvious when you do that rather than playing 20 questions. Aug 30 03:31:58 In Commie-sama's case we already know what the issue is, the ext3fs partition was never created Aug 30 03:33:02 wow kde is all but useless in chroot Aug 30 03:33:09 AtomicPlayboy: I'm looking through the whole backlog, not just the most recent issue. Aug 30 03:33:22 Gotcha Aug 30 03:33:36 sampson: Just for a lark I ran "apt-get install ubuntu-desktop" Aug 30 03:33:47 * rwhitby bbl Aug 30 03:33:48 Well, I can give you a pastebin of the doctor I just ran Aug 30 03:33:51 http://pastebin.com/r9jcZ3DM Aug 30 03:33:53 Once it was done I was able to run gnome-session and get a full Ubuntu Desktop Aug 30 03:33:56 It was pretty cool Aug 30 03:34:02 My coworkers were confused Aug 30 03:34:08 "Why is Ubuntu Desktop running on a TouchPad?" Aug 30 03:35:07 Commie-sama: is the doctor finished? Aug 30 03:35:31 Yeah, that's it there.. was about to start the next set of commands Aug 30 03:35:37 Okay Aug 30 03:35:44 ext3fs exists according to the log So you're good there Aug 30 03:35:56 You should be fine Aug 30 03:37:54 Actually, I never paied any mind to it, but my novacom isn't located in cd /opt/nova/bin like http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Accessing_Linux_Using_Novaterm says to go to Aug 30 03:38:32 Aha Aug 30 03:38:35 It's in /opt/Palm/novacom Aug 30 03:38:44 That's just where it is : / Aug 30 03:38:46 Hm Aug 30 03:39:05 lol @ weboshacker1's quit message Aug 30 03:39:13 XD Aug 30 03:39:14 Commie-sama: did you install Optware Bootstrap first? Aug 30 03:39:15 yeah, srsly Aug 30 03:39:47 I'm.. not sure? Aug 30 03:39:52 I don't think so o_O Aug 30 03:39:56 Oh wait never mind Aug 30 03:40:08 You should be able to just run "novaterm" without the /opt/whatever/ Aug 30 03:40:12 It should be in your PATH. Aug 30 03:40:40 /opt/whatever is usually not in people's paths Aug 30 03:40:50 an I can't remember whether I added the symlinks to /usr/local/bin or not Aug 30 03:41:01 Huh Aug 30 03:41:17 I was able to run "novaterm" after installing the SDK without need to modify path Aug 30 03:41:20 paths Aug 30 03:41:28 'which novaterm' Aug 30 03:41:40 here we go, my package manager says it added the /usr/local/bin links Aug 30 03:42:28 That's what I thought Aug 30 03:43:18 huh Aug 30 03:43:23 I think it worked this time Aug 30 03:43:31 without me doing anything different Aug 30 03:43:32 You got /media/ext3fs Aug 30 03:43:34 ? Aug 30 03:43:39 I didn't get an error, atleast Aug 30 03:43:46 Your meta-doctor might have been borked the first time around Aug 30 03:43:53 >_o Aug 30 03:44:39 yep, it's there Aug 30 03:45:05 Atleast I know I wasn't doing anything wrong XD Aug 30 03:45:56 Cool Aug 30 03:46:17 rwhitby is right though, logs should be the first place you look, but if you can't find anything there, just do it over again Aug 30 03:46:26 Again, kinda hard to brick these things Aug 30 03:46:28 :D Aug 30 03:46:43 nah, easy if you know what you're doing ;) Aug 30 03:46:44 One device where trial-and-error isn't as dangerous as others Aug 30 03:46:55 dwc- yes, I saw rod's tweet when that happened. Aug 30 03:47:32 atomic- yeah, I know.. I need to get in the habit of making logs more often XD Aug 30 03:47:46 Commie-sama: logs are always there, that's the way most of these programs were designed Aug 30 03:47:55 BUt it's up to you to open them in an editor Aug 30 03:47:55 I mean Aug 30 03:48:02 Like, pastebin-ing them Aug 30 03:48:06 And optionally copy them to pastepin so other people can look Aug 30 03:48:12 yeah, lol Aug 30 03:49:07 I must have messed something up when doing it on my other computer tho : / Aug 30 03:49:20 It might've just been a bad meta-doctor make Aug 30 03:49:23 That's all Aug 30 03:49:31 maybe Aug 30 03:51:16 what'd be nice is if instead of logging to stdout/stderr, they I dunno, new FileWriter()'d or something Aug 30 04:08:37 whats the license and source code status of the HP synergy service? Aug 30 04:09:04 Commie-sama: everything good now? Aug 30 04:10:03 Yeah, looks like it... debating weather to install the Ubuntu or Debian chroot XD Aug 30 04:10:48 I didn't even see Debian in Preware before :O Aug 30 04:10:51 Ubuntu chroot is a smaller download (64MB vs. 67MB for Debian) Aug 30 04:10:57 But Debian is dry Debian. Aug 30 04:11:09 And no, Debian was added over the weekend Aug 30 04:11:11 Oooohhhh Aug 30 04:11:13 Like yesterday I think Aug 30 04:11:14 hrm Aug 30 04:11:54 Does the bigger size make it run any slower? Like, noticably? Aug 30 04:12:00 hey Aug 30 04:12:23 what's the easiest way to package up something and all of its dependencies for opt ware? Aug 30 04:12:45 I haven't had time to put it all together nice and neat in the toolchain yet Aug 30 04:13:41 I think I'll try Debian.. I can always doctor it out later, right? XD Aug 30 04:15:02 No, you can just uninstall the chroot, then rm -rf /media/ext3fs/debian-squeeze-chroot Aug 30 04:15:06 No doctor required Aug 30 04:15:15 Well then Aug 30 04:15:19 even better :3 Aug 30 04:15:26 * AtomicPlayboy has done this a few times now. >_> Aug 30 04:15:35 hahaha Aug 30 04:16:02 I love not having to worry about bricking this thing Aug 30 04:16:25 and I'm really glad I bought it (cause even $150 is alot) Aug 30 04:17:01 32GB version? Aug 30 04:17:07 mhm Aug 30 04:17:17 I'm having mild buyer's remorse about getting the 16GB at $500 in the first two weeks >_< Aug 30 04:17:24 ;_; Aug 30 04:17:25 I should've sprung for the 32 Aug 30 04:17:42 I feel bad for everyone who bought it at full price Aug 30 04:17:52 Granted, if I had the cash maybe I would have, too Aug 30 04:18:15 But I don't think I would have setteled for the 16gb one XD Aug 30 04:19:49 Well I had to, because it was the only one available at the time, and I couldn't spar the extra $100 Aug 30 04:19:56 Now I wish I would have :P Aug 30 04:20:33 tholl583xx: proprietary closed source Aug 30 04:26:44 rwhitby: is there anything you have? or public? about chainbooting? multi-booting with booting? or other methods in webos? Aug 30 04:26:52 ive been googling Aug 30 04:26:55 nm to be found Aug 30 04:27:37 rhcp: we have only ever needed to boot one OS ;) Aug 30 04:28:29 we have a wiki page on bootie and a bootie-config tool that was written for phones. SHR folks dual booted SHR and webOS on Pre-. Aug 30 04:29:58 rwhitby: hmm ive yet to find that Aug 30 04:30:05 i guess i need to navigate your wiki more Aug 30 04:30:06 :) Aug 30 04:31:24 https://github.com/slyon/bootr Aug 30 04:31:29 ther we go Aug 30 04:31:33 thanks for info Aug 30 04:33:02 Hey green-- Aug 30 04:33:10 hi Aug 30 04:33:15 can you invite me in? Aug 30 04:33:37 done Aug 30 04:34:09 rwhitby: seems you will become popular here @ webos-interals Aug 30 04:34:10 ;) Aug 30 04:34:19 even more anyway Aug 30 04:34:19 :P Aug 30 04:36:40 rhcp: indeed, we may be forced to move elsewhere. Aug 30 04:37:15 :) Aug 30 04:51:51 Any chance of http://www.mono-project.com/Moonlight on WebOS? Aug 30 04:52:17 +1 Aug 30 04:52:37 Probably not since it relies on microsoft media packages for video codecs Aug 30 04:52:41 Abyssul, what is the goal? Aug 30 04:52:49 s/goal/intended use/ Aug 30 04:52:49 scoutcamper meant: Abyssul, what is the intended use? Aug 30 04:52:54 Netflix lol Aug 30 04:53:49 if Mono can do it legally why can't wOS-internals? Aug 30 04:54:07 Probably something, just a thought Aug 30 04:54:09 or is it just an issue of getting the Microsoft stuff onto the tablet? Aug 30 04:54:29 6pack part 2 already sold out? you kidding me? Aug 30 04:54:42 link? Aug 30 04:54:49 it was sold out like in the morning Aug 30 04:54:55 http://blog.palm.com/palm/2011/08/6-pack-sells-out-but-wait-theres-more.html Aug 30 04:55:01 To be fair, the link has been in the wild for 12 hours Aug 30 04:55:09 and slickdeals got ahold of it as well Aug 30 04:55:27 The first pack only lasted a hour Aug 30 04:56:11 >.< Aug 30 04:56:21 What's the point in bothering. Aug 30 04:56:46 I got my apps :) Aug 30 04:56:49 Now that I've already bought the Preware docs, I'm just going to remove my card from my account. Aug 30 04:56:51 Big Boss is an awesome game Aug 30 04:56:59 cause I'm never going to be able to get in time for this stuff. Aug 30 05:01:00 hey, is there already an open port on the touchpad for gdb or do i need to open one? Aug 30 05:01:17 gandhijee_: its called novaterm Aug 30 05:01:35 ? novaterm is gdb for the touchpad? Aug 30 05:01:40 oh gdb Aug 30 05:01:41 sorry Aug 30 05:01:44 thought you said adb Aug 30 05:01:53 just compile a static arm gdb Aug 30 05:01:55 it will work Aug 30 05:02:02 no, not an android guy Aug 30 05:02:14 I think there is a static build out there Aug 30 05:02:23 of binutils for arm Aug 30 05:02:29 but gdbserver is already there..... Aug 30 05:02:32 gdbserver should work over wifi too, afaik.... Aug 30 05:02:37 yea Aug 30 05:02:40 use IDA Aug 30 05:02:40 what port? Aug 30 05:02:42 or something Aug 30 05:02:49 you specify Aug 30 05:02:52 if you got IDA just choose gsbserver Aug 30 05:02:55 as the debugger Aug 30 05:02:59 remote gdbserver Aug 30 05:03:06 it auto selects the port. its std unless you change it Aug 30 05:03:24 thats not the problem, the touchpads firewall is dropping the connection Aug 30 05:03:32 its sleep mode Aug 30 05:03:35 there is a preware patch Aug 30 05:03:38 for that Aug 30 05:04:10 question someone I have f14 kernel and my govern is saying second core n/a any ideas Aug 30 05:04:48 isnt f14 for pre2 Aug 30 05:05:13 f14c is for touchpad too Aug 30 05:05:17 ic Aug 30 05:05:26 xusmarinesx, ignore it. Its working as intended Aug 30 05:05:38 can anyone help with ubuntu chroot? i did the disk image method and I get a service error thrown Aug 30 05:09:07 thanks Aug 30 05:10:27 is /media/ext3fs mounted? Aug 30 05:13:00 rhcp: sleep mode prevents gdb from connecting? Aug 30 05:13:24 if your in SSH Aug 30 05:13:27 which i assume you are Aug 30 05:13:30 and screen goes off Aug 30 05:13:34 it will timeout/discconet Aug 30 05:13:42 apply the patch from preware Aug 30 05:13:42 yeah i don't really seem to be affect by that Aug 30 05:13:55 everyone does :) you are not special Aug 30 05:14:08 the patch is the only way not to be effected Aug 30 05:14:08 yes Aug 30 05:14:10 unless you ran it Aug 30 05:15:23 or just run some app that keeps the screen on. Aug 30 05:15:29 tholl583xx: i'm redoing the steps to create it in XServer | XTerm Aug 30 05:15:39 or if you keep pinging it, it'll stay awake Aug 30 05:16:48 tholl583xx: i have also prevously installed some optware Aug 30 05:19:17 sethron: I'm not aware of why that happens yet, so any diagnosis you can provide will be good. Aug 30 05:22:17 rwhitby: i'm enter ing mount -o loop /media/cryptofs/ubuntu.img /media/ext3fs - returned with 'mounting /dev/loop1 on /media/ext3fs failed: Device or resource busy' Aug 30 05:23:24 sethron: you have two loops Aug 30 05:23:54 uninstall optware. mount ext3fs. install optware (it will then go on the ext3fs) Aug 30 05:23:57 rwhitby: mount -a is ok -- the optware? Aug 30 05:25:03 rwhitby: uninstall Optware Bootstrap? Aug 30 05:25:17 yep, and everything that depends on it Aug 30 05:25:44 rwhitby: time to update saved packages list :-| Aug 30 05:28:51 Moonlight is huge Aug 30 05:29:37 ls Aug 30 05:29:39 oops Aug 30 05:29:49 heh Aug 30 05:31:51 rwhitby: so lesson learned, don't install optware first if you want to use the ubuntu chroot Aug 30 05:32:16 why not? Aug 30 05:32:45 what can I do with Ubuntu Chroot Aug 30 05:32:49 and why should I have it lol Aug 30 05:32:49 I thought optware will use the ext3fs if it's available first Aug 30 05:33:14 (at least I'm pretty sure I got ssh up and running first) Aug 30 05:33:56 dwc-: if you try and do a loopfs ubuntu after a loopfs optware, it seems it doesn't work Aug 30 05:34:22 oh, I missed that Aug 30 05:34:29 loopfsy Aug 30 05:37:39 rats still throws an error Aug 30 05:40:52 hmm, on my ubuntu desktop, I can mount two loops on the same spot Aug 30 05:41:03 I wonder if the bind mount on the first is getting in the way Aug 30 05:42:38 I'm heading off guys, thank you verrrrrryyyy much for the help earlier =D Aug 30 05:52:44 Jack87: hi jack, remember sethron from scale 9x? Aug 30 05:56:43 rwhitby: 'mounting /dev/loop0 on /media/ext3fs failed: Device or resource busy' after unistalling optware and after mount -o loop /media/cryptofs/ubuntu.img /media/ext3fs Aug 30 06:00:13 last line of 'mount' is '/dev/loop0 on /media/ext3fs type ext3 (rw,relatime,errors=continue,barrier=0,data=writeback)' is that correct? Aug 30 06:08:00 sethron: yes! Aug 30 06:08:10 dont lie Aug 30 06:08:35 halfhalo: oh, hello Aug 30 06:08:54 sethron: I was asking if another user went to scale earlier today :-) thinking he was you... speaking of the devil I guess :-) Aug 30 06:09:51 Jack87: those were the days Aug 30 06:10:20 ~log Aug 30 06:10:21 hmm... log is located at http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/webos-internals/ and the latest log is located at http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/webos-internals.txt Aug 30 06:10:53 i have made a img rather than the meta doctor for the ubuntu chroot. chroot from executah fails Aug 30 06:11:33 sethron: dunno, I've never tested the image method myself. Aug 30 06:12:34 rwhitby: any remnants from optware that need to be removed? Aug 30 06:13:47 rwhitby: or any command to test for a proper chroot install? Aug 30 06:13:56 Aug 29 22:55:00 siestacat, were you at scale? Aug 29 22:55:36 jack87 scale? Aug 30 06:14:45 sethron: /media/cryptofs/optware.img can be removed if it's now on the ext3fs Aug 30 06:15:11 sethron: ^ thought he was you for some reason dunno why Aug 30 06:15:41 he/she* :-P Aug 30 06:15:58 did you ever get a pre2? Aug 30 06:16:48 rwhitby: yes, just apps, tmp, ubuntu.img in /media/cryptofs/ Aug 30 06:17:06 Jack87: still rocking the OG Pre Aug 30 06:17:45 rwhitby: which patch is the sleep hack? Aug 30 06:17:49 for screen off Aug 30 06:17:52 im gonna install it Aug 30 06:18:08 on the TP i use :) Aug 30 06:19:29 rhcp: check your WiFi settings.... screen off hasn't effected WiFi timeouts since like webOS 1.0.3 or something Aug 30 06:21:01 nah there is some patch Aug 30 06:21:05 rwhitby: was telling me Aug 30 06:21:11 i checked in wifi settings Aug 30 06:21:23 rwhitby: i'm reinstalling optware now Aug 30 06:21:42 has there been any work on getting both cores to stay on for over clocking Aug 30 06:21:49 keep wifi on is on Aug 30 06:23:41 rhcp: in wifi preferences go to the top left drop down menu and make sure your sleep settings are set to keep WiFi on Aug 30 06:24:00 also make sure you are on webOS 3.0.2 not 3.0.0 Aug 30 06:24:02 it is set to on Aug 30 06:24:05 im on 3.02 Aug 30 06:24:21 hum maybe it just hates you Aug 30 06:24:45 nah rwhitby said some patch Aug 30 06:26:34 * Jack87 is pretty sure you will not find screen/WiFi patch in webOS 3.x.x feeds with in preware Aug 30 06:27:34 sethron, i have done the image Aug 30 06:27:45 you may need to find old patch and see if you can update it to work with latest webOS but it won't be I preware I pretty sure Aug 30 06:27:47 need to make sure it is loopback mounted all the time Aug 30 06:28:08 jonpry: do you have any pointers Aug 30 06:28:30 Hello Aug 30 06:29:11 sethron, seemed pretty straight forward. i put the image in /media/internal. mounted it to /media/ext3fs. installed, and ran Aug 30 06:29:40 WebOS is only run on HP Touchpad? Aug 30 06:29:51 jonpry: sorry, what image in /media/internal ? Aug 30 06:29:59 or run in Palm phone? Aug 30 06:30:04 the image you have on /media/cryptofs Aug 30 06:30:12 sethron, ubuntu.img Aug 30 06:30:25 or cryptofs. it is the same as internal Aug 30 06:31:21 we put it on cryptofs so that it doesn't hang USB mode Aug 30 06:32:19 isn't it just a symlink? Aug 30 06:33:12 is the only thing in /media/ext3fs is now, opt, since i reinstalled optware Aug 30 06:34:22 jonpry: no, it's a cryptofs mount Aug 30 06:34:28 based on fus Aug 30 06:34:29 e Aug 30 06:34:40 on touchpad? Aug 30 06:34:42 during USB mode, the cryptofs is suspended, and drops all handles Aug 30 06:34:49 Greetings all. I met some of you at your BoF at SCALE last Jan. Aug 30 06:34:53 jonpry: yes Aug 30 06:34:58 on all webOS devices Aug 30 06:35:55 A friend asked me to help him install Ubuntu on a new Touchpad. I take it that we cannot boot Touchpad from a USB stick or DVD? Even using plop? Aug 30 06:36:32 mount -a throws No such Device, but i have the ubuntu Chroot installed Aug 30 06:37:00 pastebin your fstab? Aug 30 06:37:09 hi Alison_Chaiken! HalfHalo , sethron , cryptk|offline , ka6sox , rick-away , jacques , and I were all there Aug 30 06:37:12 sethron, can you do a "dmesg | grep sd" to see if the device is there? Aug 30 06:37:32 And sethron, are you using "mount /dev/sdb1" instead of "mount /dev/sdb" ? Aug 30 06:37:53 * dwc- was at scale too Aug 30 06:38:13 Alison_Chaiken: ubuntunis installed as a chroot and accessed by x server within webos Aug 30 06:38:22 (In other words, mount a partition, not a disk. The objects we actually mount are filesystems, which live in partitions, which are on disks, in the house that Jon built.) Aug 30 06:40:11 Jack87, I understand that one *can* do a chroot dual-boot install, but could one just boot from SystemRescueCD over USB, use parted to carve out some space, and use the Ubuntu Installer over USB to put it there? Or must one use MetaDoctor because there's no way to boot from USB, even using the mighty plop? Aug 30 06:41:08 On my ExoPC tablet, for example, I have two different Linuxes installed. I can boot into either one of them, and I also can chroot from one to the other, as they are sharing a kernel. Aug 30 06:41:29 sethron: you need to get your hands on a pre2 and sprintify it. I picked one off some dude for $200 bucks it was best $200 I ever spent). I think halfhalo might have an extra (not sure you will have to ask him) Aug 30 06:41:46 Alison_Chaiken: not sure what dmesg listed... um, double checked my fstab entry Aug 30 06:42:33 Jack87: that's tempting :), but that would mean I'd have to converse with halfhalo ... Aug 30 06:42:33 Alison_Chaiken: that's a negative... as of right now. you might want to talk to #ubuntu-arm Aug 30 06:42:44 * sethron ducks Aug 30 06:43:37 Thanks Jack87, I think I'll just try it and see what happens. If it doesn't work, there's always the other method. Aug 30 06:45:02 Alison_Chaiken: the standard ubuntu kernel does not have drivers for some of the hardware on the touchpad. And folks want to keep webOS apps too. Hence the chroot solution. Aug 30 06:45:18 Alison_Chaiken: I guess that's what webOS doctor is for good luck Aug 30 06:45:44 oh o 0 Aug 30 06:46:02 Sure, rwhitby, but even with wanting to keep WebOS apps, that doesn't necessarily mean running MetaDoctor. No Meta-Doctor at all with ExoPC! Aug 30 06:46:21 Alison_Chaiken: just to clear up... Chroot option is not a dual boot. it work along side webos... runs in the x window server app in webOS Aug 30 06:46:26 meta-doctor is only used to create an extra LVM partition in which to store some files. Aug 30 06:46:32 Will the Touchpad mount a USB drive at all, even after it's booted? Aug 30 06:46:55 Alison_Chaiken: TouchPad does not have USB host mode by default. Aug 30 06:46:57 Ah, I see Jack87. So Ubuntu is inside a VM? Aug 30 06:47:06 No, it's a chroot, not a VM. Aug 30 06:47:18 Alison_Chaiken: oh yeah rwhitby was at BoF in Skype form I forgot to mention him :-P Aug 30 06:47:32 not a vm Aug 30 06:47:57 I know what a chroot is, but by "alongside" I thought you meant on same screen. In fact you mean, Ubuntu runs on one virtual terminal and WebOs on another? Aug 30 06:48:12 ubuntu runs in a webOS card Aug 30 06:48:24 there are over 100 people here aren't there? :o Aug 30 06:48:27 Alison_Chaiken: find a YouTube video for ubuntu chroot for touchpad Aug 30 06:48:30 do wehave USB host? Aug 30 06:48:39 I have long experience of such chroot; see for example http://wiki.meego.com/Hardware-accelerated_graphics_on_Pandaboard_using_MeeGo Aug 30 06:48:45 Unable to run command: /sbin/initctl start org.webosinternals.ubuntu-natty-chroot 2>&1 Aug 30 06:49:34 I totally understand what chroot is, but was just hoping to use a USB method to install. Aug 30 06:49:37 Alison_Chaiken: this chroot renders in a card, just like any other webOS app Aug 30 06:50:00 initctl: (00280/754814022) Unknown job: org.webosinternals.ubuntu-natty-chroot Aug 30 06:50:32 is it possible with tweaks to let the keyboard dissappear after i didn't need it in chroot Aug 30 06:50:42 rwhitby, WebOS doesn't run X11, correct? So cards are primitives of the Luna WM that is running? Does EGL provide them, or is it all proprietary stuff? Aug 30 06:50:47 or shoudl i ahve decide every start did i need a keyboard for this session or not? Aug 30 06:51:04 Alison_Chaiken: we have an XServer running in webOS, rendering to a card. Aug 30 06:51:31 Technikfreak: it is statically controlled by Tweaks Aug 30 06:51:41 Got it. So no external storage at all can be connected to Touchpad in its default config? Aug 30 06:51:56 but if i go out of chroot and than put the keyboard away i would have a full screen ubuntu? Aug 30 06:52:22 or just a black screenholder Aug 30 06:52:25 Alison_Chaiken: no USB host no Aug 30 06:52:31 and no sd card Aug 30 06:52:45 because i want vnc in fullscreen Aug 30 06:53:48 Alison_Chaiken: Where would you plug the external storage into? Aug 30 06:53:56 microusb? : Aug 30 06:54:07 and on the other end of that cable? Aug 30 06:54:11 A male USB plug. Aug 30 06:54:33 Not USB-B. Aug 30 06:54:49 there are appropriate cablings, iirc Aug 30 06:54:55 they just aren't common Aug 30 06:55:05 Technikfreak what are you trying to do with VNC? If what you want to do is share a computer keyboard with both a computer and a Ubuntu-running Touchpad, there is the "synergy" program. (Not to be confused with WebOS's synergy) Aug 30 06:55:11 because few people have micro-usb sized usb on-the-go support Aug 30 06:55:32 Technikfreak: you need to use tweaks to control keyboard Aug 30 06:55:49 but the question ios that if i am running ubuntu with keyboards start vnc Aug 30 06:55:54 than go to tweaks turn it off Aug 30 06:56:12 will than my keybaord go away and i ahve fullscreen or black screen instead of a keyboard Aug 30 06:56:20 Technikfreak http://synergy-foss.org/ Aug 30 06:56:45 The biggest issue is that with USB Host support, they're attempting to break spec by using ports for other than their intended purposes. Generally speaking, it should be assumed that unless there's a female USB-A plug on the device, you're not plugging a thumbdrive into it. (For now.) Aug 30 06:56:50 does synergy is working on the tp? Aug 30 06:56:55 yes Aug 30 06:56:59 than its better htan vnc Aug 30 06:57:00 if you run Ubuntu Aug 30 06:57:10 for what it does, yes. Aug 30 06:57:11 yeah ubuntu chroot Aug 30 06:57:28 i wanna mixing my digital audio mixer remote via vnc Aug 30 06:57:38 heh Aug 30 06:57:45 lots of latency doing that, yes? Aug 30 06:57:51 no Aug 30 06:58:00 if have 8 bit color Aug 30 06:58:03 very fast Aug 30 06:58:08 hmm, well, give synergy a try anyway. Aug 30 06:58:20 but i needa bigger screen so than i want to dissapear the keybaord after i start the vnc connection Aug 30 06:58:36 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812816146 Aug 30 06:58:52 there's a way to set screen resolution apart from desktop area, Technikfreak. Aug 30 06:59:05 but not over the keyboard layout Aug 30 06:59:30 so if i disable the keybaord when i running ubuntu than ubuntu will larger or is there a black whole? Aug 30 07:02:21 pokk anyway i will try it after work later, is synergy installed via apt-get? Aug 30 07:02:22 Technikfreak: buy BT keyboard if you need a reliable solution they are in the wild for under $40 Aug 30 07:03:37 ok and it works in ubuntu Aug 30 07:04:11 roadkill, I was thinking of attaching a USB hub to the microUSB using an adapter and trying to mount a USB filesystem. But yeah, I can see that the choice of a microUSB suggests that mounting external storage is not the primary purpose of the port. Aug 30 07:05:55 Alison_Chaiken: It's the oncoming storm that I fear that USBHost support on Android will bring. Instead of having that gender and port type consistency to keep things simple, people will be throwing changers and adapters at everything and wonder why plugging one thumbdrive into another isn't causing the two to duplicate themselves. Aug 30 07:06:19 It. Will. Happen. Aug 30 07:06:24 Heh Aug 30 07:06:43 In order to explain the "null modem" concept to my friend today, I described plugging two VGA monitors together. Aug 30 07:06:50 rofl Aug 30 07:06:57 Niiiiiiiice. Aug 30 07:07:23 I agree that attaching a hub to microUSB prolly won't work, which is why I thought I'd come on and ask the Authorities. Aug 30 07:07:58 What will be necessary is a gender changer. A block with two female USB-A ports (as on a desktop) to put on the end of a MicroUSB to USB cable. Aug 30 07:08:39 (MicroUSB port is too fragile to be plugging heavy stuff directly into it) Aug 30 07:09:03 Yeah, roadkill, I have a heap of such USB adapters from an earlier Gumstix project, but as rwhitby suggested, without an applicable driver, connecting the wires will not be so interesting. Aug 30 07:09:43 Basically, one of these: http://shop.rabtron.co.za/catalog/images/usb-female-to-female.jpg Aug 30 07:09:55 there's always http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/4/2010/08/chain-usb1.jpg Aug 30 07:10:03 lawl Aug 30 07:10:09 dwc-: That makes my head hurt. Aug 30 07:10:41 Just wait. We WILL have someone taking a f2f USB adaptor and asking why the two thumbdrives plugged into it aren't copying. Aug 30 07:10:58 what, didn't you know you could usb thumbdrive and run it into a parallel port? Aug 30 07:11:06 -.- Aug 30 07:11:07 rofl dwc- Aug 30 07:11:14 hope that machine wasn't turned on Aug 30 07:11:50 I'm willing to bet insufficient numbers of pins were connected to actually zap anything Aug 30 07:12:57 parallel port -> db25 serial port gender changer -> db25-db9 -> db9-ps/2 -> ps2-usb mouse Aug 30 07:14:40 does anyone heared about porting the mplayer to the tp? Aug 30 07:14:57 http://code.google.com/p/mplayer-webos/ Aug 30 07:15:03 I'm sure somewhere along the line some data and power pins got funneled into ground, nullifying any connctions. Aug 30 07:15:05 oh, tp you said Aug 30 07:16:00 will this also working for the tp? Aug 30 07:16:42 dunno, I haven't gotten around to trying it on anything yet Aug 30 07:18:14 Technikfreak: um... it plays video/audio Aug 30 07:18:31 yeah but also streams Aug 30 07:18:45 than like my sopcast football that will be awesome Aug 30 07:19:05 at the moment it is not really possible Aug 30 07:19:09 but it looks like the old blocked playboy channel on cable tv Aug 30 07:19:19 just yet Aug 30 07:19:49 they will be improofed like everything the hype is actually ion the tp Aug 30 07:20:45 kalemsoft allows streaming of some sorth... you can download their demo IPk on their site (I haven't used it dunno but herd good things) Aug 30 07:21:17 Jack87 : for kalem i need a special program installed on the stream pc ect.. thats crappy Aug 30 07:28:15 hey does anyone know of a way to do a complete backup of my touchpad? Aug 30 07:28:52 I want to wipe it to test something but would be nice to restore it back to the way it was after I am done testing Aug 30 07:28:53 yajinni: rsync? Aug 30 07:29:25 I thought you need to have unbuntu for that to work? Aug 30 07:29:42 no just optware Aug 30 07:30:23 porrly be easier restoring it manually though :-P Aug 30 07:30:35 I should package rsync for Preware sometime. Aug 30 07:30:41 HM will look into it jack Aug 30 07:30:54 rwhitby: yes! Aug 30 07:31:01 * sethron loads SaveRestore Aug 30 07:32:20 save restore seems to be for app data and not the apps themselfs? Aug 30 07:32:22 yajinni: use combonof saveRestore webOS back up. and manual copy of files off USB drive and you should be pretty good if rsync doesn't seem like it will meet your needs Aug 30 07:33:21 * sethron ssh sftp to TP to copy saverestore folder to rig Aug 30 07:44:32 rwhitby: rsync would be hot as a package Aug 30 07:44:35 :) Aug 30 07:45:33 maybe nice to have a front end for it :) Aug 30 07:48:40 rwhitby: is the tellbootie binary open? or do you know much about it? Aug 30 07:48:45 i saw the wiki page Aug 30 08:04:17 hmmz Aug 30 08:04:19 I found this Aug 30 08:04:21 http://ompldr.org/iNWk4aQ-hide Aug 30 08:04:26 not sure if thats the true bin Aug 30 08:04:28 seems too easy Aug 30 08:16:33 * PDunny trying to see what's up with his mount problems:/ Aug 30 08:20:30 Ok think I got it had accidentally mistyped it in my fstab when seting it up then it constantly was a busy resource since I was just echoing into it Aug 30 08:24:44 * PDunny crosses fingers Aug 30 08:52:50 Any way to increase my ext3fs size? Aug 30 08:54:53 that's easy. shrinking the main media partition to make space, that's the bit i think is not so easy Aug 30 08:56:40 lol Aug 30 08:57:08 So essentially, completely start over and up the size to 10gigs instead of 2? Aug 30 08:58:45 i like my zany/slow idea for making safely expandable ext3fs Aug 30 08:59:23 without doctoring Aug 30 08:59:48 directhex: I'm working on exactly such an app for webOS to do live resizing. Aug 30 09:04:59 hang on a sec... webos uses cryptofs... isn't that the FUSE one, which just operates on an empty underlying folder? Aug 30 09:07:41 so resizing it down should be not too painful. you can shrink vfat Aug 30 09:45:38 if someone has a little bit time and wants to help me with creating (diff is already done!) a simple patch - check for errors - please query. Aug 30 10:20:01 mornin Aug 30 10:22:29 Whitby I changed mount -t to --bind for /proc and /dev/pts and saw no adverse effects Aug 30 10:24:17 rwhitby. Doctoring got rid of the words I added to my dictionart! Aug 30 11:23:36 pezman726: do you want to send me a patch for each of the debian and ubuntu chroot postinst's ? Aug 30 11:24:22 directhex: /media/internal is vfat, cryptofs is based on /media/internal/.palm - you need to unmount /media/internal before resizing it Aug 30 11:25:48 live shrinking would be too useful Aug 30 11:26:17 rwhitby I didn't change postinst. I changed chroot-wrapper Aug 30 11:27:13 ok, please send those patches Aug 30 11:27:48 I didn't test ubuntu yet, I'll get to that this morning and send patches your way Aug 30 11:29:08 so...um...how do I create the .patch file? Aug 30 11:29:38 just save a diff as .patch? Aug 30 11:32:27 yep Aug 30 11:32:30 diff -u Aug 30 11:33:19 thanks Aug 30 11:36:11 back to java land while this builds! Aug 30 12:25:00 grr, why do the palm profile do not like two phones on the same profile with the same card. Aug 30 12:25:40 Swaped my card to start the new PRE3, then back to PRE2 and the pre would like to delete itself.... Aug 30 12:26:07 Why do they take the sim card numer and not the device numer ........ Aug 30 12:26:17 So ein Scheiß Aug 30 12:26:44 No get the data off via novaterm and I hope to be quicker then the palm dele ..... Aug 30 13:02:26 in a patch how do I set the right path name to the file (--- a/.../.. etc)? : http://pastebin.com/7rrtqCqS Aug 30 13:19:04 is it possible to write patches for bluetooth keyboard ? Aug 30 13:21:17 Hey I was wondering if anyone knew how to hide the keyboard in the ubuntu chroot? Aug 30 13:23:01 @syntax use tweaks from preware Aug 30 13:23:48 tweaks --> system --> xserver --> Virtual Keyboard Type = off Aug 30 13:24:10 does anyone know if mplayer for webos (written for 1.02) will work on 3.02 on a touchpad? Aug 30 13:24:10 It doesn't work Aug 30 13:24:22 I can get it to go away if I pair a BT keyboard Aug 30 13:24:31 syntax u need to re open xserver Aug 30 13:24:52 after enabling the tweak Aug 30 13:24:59 its not auto Aug 30 13:26:29 restarting x didn't help Aug 30 13:27:12 nevermind Aug 30 13:27:16 patch --dry-run should work on TP, right? Aug 30 13:27:18 I had to restaret xeacutah also Aug 30 13:27:28 weird ... i usually close xecutah and reopen Aug 30 13:27:34 oops ok Aug 30 13:28:14 thanks prudvi Aug 30 13:28:25 Is there a way to just hide and un hide it? Aug 30 13:28:58 syntax not yet :) even i am waiting to see that happen when a bluetooth keyboard is connected Aug 30 13:30:46 BT key board works great I was using it last night Aug 30 13:31:08 oh yea its awesome :) Aug 30 13:31:35 it would be great we can control card movement and swipe up using the arrow keys on keyboard Aug 30 13:31:40 if * Aug 30 14:54:51 is there a decent vnc client out there? Aug 30 14:54:54 installed some pdk crap Aug 30 14:54:56 didnt work at all Aug 30 14:56:42 well I have something called "VNC client" on my phone and it works well enough... not sure about TPs Aug 30 14:59:09 Hey there, Anyone know anything about enabling ad-hoc on the touchpad? I dont mind CLI if i have to. I also have preware installed on this TP Aug 30 15:00:10 have no knowledge of that at all, but I'm sure if yiou search for it on the webos-internals site you'll find it Aug 30 15:00:28 either an unsuccesful attempt or instructions in any case :) Aug 30 15:01:17 I found a twek for webos in general, but it seems to be more geared for the Pre than the touchpad. Aug 30 15:01:33 but it should be pretty much the same? Aug 30 15:01:54 dtmsempre: if you figure it out, shoot me a pm please Aug 30 15:02:04 im having to use a very beta version of android tether Aug 30 15:02:10 I dont know if there is a huge difference in the hardware for the wifi in the devices...because it talks about enabling the driver in a different way than default. Aug 30 15:02:14 because its one of the only tethering apps that does infrastructure Aug 30 15:02:21 dont't knoow about touchpad but on pre2 i've tried to rebuild driver for wlan but it still failed to initiate adhoc mode on kernel level. Aug 30 15:02:33 i read that it use to be enabled, but they disabled ad hoc for security reasons Aug 30 15:03:00 That makes no sense.. its enabled on all other mobile devices. Aug 30 15:03:16 my buddy is using the f4 kernel, and for some reason in govnah, it shows his second core as N/A, any ideas? Aug 30 15:03:28 he has a single core device? Aug 30 15:03:28 What program are you using for the andoid tethering? Aug 30 15:03:30 dtmsempre: nope, its disabled on a lot of devices, like the nook color Aug 30 15:03:39 Lazar_Dobrescu: its a touch pad Aug 30 15:03:50 wifi tether Aug 30 15:03:54 a beta one Aug 30 15:03:57 really buggy Aug 30 15:04:21 Its enabled on all apple devices... Aug 30 15:04:36 I am trying to connect it using PDANet Aug 30 15:04:42 apple devices are geh Aug 30 15:04:45 on iPhone4 Aug 30 15:05:14 bluetooth doesnt work either on MyWi Aug 30 15:07:37 Its like you have to buy a Pre to make it work, and i was just looking for a work around. Aug 30 15:11:00 Thanks! Aug 30 15:38:38 so ok i have now my ubuntu running Aug 30 15:38:41 and i see the keyboard Aug 30 15:39:01 but now i can"t disable it, first i ahve to stop ubuntu and start it again Aug 30 15:39:29 hey can someone tell me how the heck to disable the webOS firewall? Aug 30 15:39:44 all the iptable commands i seem to throw at it don't do anything =( Aug 30 15:39:57 dmesg Aug 30 15:43:39 tecnikfreak what are you trying to do Aug 30 15:45:38 i want to have a fullscreen ubuntu but with an application on it like vnc Aug 30 15:46:03 so therefore i need the keybaord first but than want to disable it Aug 30 15:46:09 or disappear Aug 30 15:47:48 well right now you have to alot a certain portion of your screen for the on screen keyboard Aug 30 15:48:02 i use the bluetooth keyboard Aug 30 15:48:02 so Aug 30 15:48:12 yeah but i didn"t have one Aug 30 15:48:16 its to expensive Aug 30 15:48:26 and to turn the keyboard off or change the size alotment, you use an app called "tweaks" Aug 30 15:48:51 its in preware Aug 30 15:52:41 but not in realtime, I think Aug 30 15:53:18 nope Aug 30 15:53:23 gotta close out and reopen Aug 30 16:02:24 rwhitby, patch file sent! Aug 30 16:19:53 gotta be someway to make the keyboard disappear. This is the only thing that is making it hard to use ubuntu. well that and no right click Aug 30 16:20:16 hello Aug 30 16:20:52 what is going on with hp touchpad, no Stock available when ever i check the page Aug 30 16:21:00 are they really making them for $99 Aug 30 16:21:21 or they are creating some hype Aug 30 16:23:06 chandoo: way to have patience :P Aug 30 16:24:12 hey, when you need your tocuhpad, you need it now :p Aug 30 16:27:26 hey does the preware tweaks care what kernel you are running? Aug 30 16:27:45 i can seem to tweak anything on my touchpad... and also can someone please give me a hand with the firewall? Aug 30 16:29:24 I believe the preware tweaks only teawk stuff for the xserver Aug 30 16:29:29 and it is only like 3 ooptions Aug 30 16:30:05 browser is stuck in an infinit loop and emails won't load :( Aug 30 16:30:19 20 says browserserver died Aug 30 16:30:39 happened about 2 days ago I said F*ck it and doctored. now doing it again :( Aug 30 16:30:59 reboot? Aug 30 16:31:02 halfhalo: how do I bring back to life? Aug 30 16:31:07 Jack87: novaterm in and see if browserserver is running. Aug 30 16:31:22 rebooted multiple times Aug 30 16:31:43 what do the logs say about it then? Aug 30 16:32:06 halfhalo: how do I check Aug 30 16:32:24 tail -f /var/log | greb browser Aug 30 16:32:32 s/greb/grep/ Aug 30 16:32:32 scoutcamper meant: tail -f /var/log | grep browser Aug 30 16:33:55 read error: Is a directory Aug 30 16:33:57 tail: read error: Is a directory Aug 30 16:33:59 tail: read error: Is a directory Aug 30 16:34:01 tail: read error: Is a directory Aug 30 16:34:03 tail: read error: Is a directory Aug 30 16:34:05 over and overw Aug 30 16:34:14 that should be /var/log/messages Aug 30 16:35:38 dwc-, my mistake :) Aug 30 16:35:52 http://pastebin.com/BQDKYCUs Aug 30 16:38:12 wow, that looks .... not very useful Aug 30 16:38:30 like the messages are being truncated Aug 30 16:38:58 stop browserver then start it again. Aug 30 16:39:04 browserserver* Aug 30 16:41:13 halfhalo, stoped start still looping Aug 30 16:41:14 ahhh Aug 30 16:43:24 http://pastebin.com/GhNi6HyD Aug 30 16:44:44 halfhalo, it is browser server but stop/starting it didnt work Aug 30 16:45:24 # Aug 30 16:45:25 2011-08-30T16:37:27.903533Z [1222] webos-device daemon.warning upstart: (01222/620899769) browserserver main process (6065) terminated with status 34 Aug 30 16:46:23 oh, status 34... that's not good Aug 30 16:46:52 (I have no idea what's status 34 btw) Aug 30 16:46:58 lol Aug 30 16:47:19 looks like it's crashing or being killed for some reason? Aug 30 16:48:02 when you doctor, are you restoring or starting completely fresh? Aug 30 16:48:42 when I doctored.. I did meta doctor o create ext2fs partition Aug 30 16:48:55 I mean when you log into your palm profile Aug 30 16:50:01 wondering if it's something corrupted in your browser's data Aug 30 16:50:09 that restoring is putting back Aug 30 16:50:22 but... I don't know how to reset those prefs Aug 30 16:52:55 but I also don't know the implication sof doing that (would that stop future restores? if so, put it on a new palm profile) Aug 30 17:54:03 hey now 2 of my friends that have been using f4 kernel, when they look in govnah, it says the 2nd core is "N/A" Aug 30 17:55:51 How do I make partitions Aug 30 17:55:53 with nova Aug 30 17:55:54 o.0 Aug 30 17:58:31 Framework: they're logical volumes inside a volume group, look for that on google Aug 30 18:01:51 hey all... quick question... is the app catalog completely broken atm? every app (including the app catalog update itself) fails to download, however internet connection is just fine Aug 30 18:02:57 any response would be greatly appreciated, as I cannot find any information on the HP developer forum as well as the precentral forum... was wondering if it was just me ;) Aug 30 18:08:05 what's a good text editor app for touchpad? Aug 30 18:17:02 btPach: Internalz Pro? Aug 30 18:17:20 (plain text editor) Aug 30 18:17:32 or QuickOffice HD for Word processing Aug 30 18:19:10 thanks pc-world Aug 30 18:22:35 see you! Aug 30 18:41:37 Ummm.. First time here.. Just want to say HI~! Aug 30 18:44:06 well, hi Aug 30 18:49:38 hi New2WebOS , new to webOS? Aug 30 18:49:49 WOW Aug 30 18:49:59 you can beep me! Aug 30 18:49:59 cool Aug 30 18:50:00 lol Aug 30 18:50:17 yes.. new it it.. always an IOS user... Aug 30 18:51:06 got myself a TP... OC it and applied a few patchs... =) Aug 30 18:51:34 Nice! Congratulations :) In no time you'll be trying to swap between apps and using gestures on your iOS device ;) Aug 30 19:10:53 what's the best way to debug my app once i have it deployed to the touchpad? Aug 30 19:18:04 how do I figure out which display xterm is using? Aug 30 19:18:13 cyclic: it's using :0.0 Aug 30 19:18:19 oh nice Aug 30 19:18:20 thanks! Aug 30 19:18:26 * dtzWill nods :) Aug 30 19:18:49 echo $DISPLAY Aug 30 19:21:34 i see Aug 30 19:22:36 echo $DISPLAY is empty Aug 30 19:29:23 where are the libraries for libX* installed with Xserver and Xterm? Aug 30 19:29:39 cyclic: in the xserver's APPDIR, in /xlib Aug 30 19:29:51 cyclic: /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/org.webosinternals.xserver/xlib Aug 30 19:29:55 +- typos ;) Aug 30 19:30:11 how does xserv know to use those? Aug 30 19:32:05 ah Aug 30 19:32:08 you have the sh file Aug 30 19:51:15 Hi, I've managed to get SSHFS cross-compiling and working on the HP touchpad. I think that people might want to see this in Preware. Where could I submit the binaries, or who could I talk to, to start that process? Aug 30 19:51:30 cyclic: all shipped x binaries also have that path hardcoded into their rpath O:) Aug 30 19:53:11 dtzWill: I'm also working on getting Matchbox-window-manager to cross-compile, and am running into some rpath issues... Aug 30 19:54:22 M25: yeah, it's a PITA. Aug 30 19:54:59 I got it to build by setting the -rpath-link (also with -rpath), but it won't actually run, says it can't find the X11.so.6 library at runtime Aug 30 19:55:15 although this may be a problem with vfat not supporting symlinks Aug 30 19:56:27 M25: yep. are you doing this on webos/etc--libX11.so.6 should be in the path mentioned above.. Aug 30 19:56:49 I just joined the room, I don't have anything before my first post Aug 30 19:57:04 .:14:25:41:. <+dtzWill> cyclic: /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/org.webosinternals.xserver/xlib Aug 30 19:57:22 I don't have access to the touchpad at the moment, I don't bring it to work Aug 30 19:57:25 so just add that statically to rpath, set it with chrpath, or export LD_LIBRARY_PATH Aug 30 19:57:27 mkay Aug 30 19:57:47 wait, set that path at build-time? Aug 30 19:59:06 are wifi profiles encrypted in webos? Aug 30 20:00:22 dtzWill: do you know where I can submit my SSHFS binaries? They also include various dependencies, such as glib Aug 30 20:02:25 M25: if they're in preware, it'll need to be buildable from source, preferrably with the build system in cross-compile.git Aug 30 20:02:59 M25: but if you need a custom glib, that's a bit messy. hmm. well I'd bug rwhitby about it, but I imagine he's sleeping now Aug 30 20:03:49 oh... I built mine by hand using a cross compiler I found from here: http://newbrightidea.com/?p=149 Aug 30 20:04:40 I didn't do anything special on the compile, it's just SSHFS has a dependency on glib, and the binaries didn't come up on a global search of the touchpad's file system, although I didn't look in the cryptofs area Aug 30 20:05:20 wow... that location has ALL the relevant binaries Aug 30 20:06:29 any kernel builders here? Aug 30 20:07:33 dtzWill: is there a glib already built for touchpad I could base mine off of? also, I remember needing some fuse-interfacing stuff. Aug 30 20:08:10 M25: not really, no. we have glib in cross-compile.git, but it's only built to get the necessary headers/etc staged for building other things Aug 30 20:09:28 I'm not sure how necessary it was for sshfs. I'll work on a rebuild using the git files, are there any others than the ones listed here: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Xecutah ? Aug 30 20:12:08 is there a way to edit my dropbox files in TIDE? Aug 30 20:14:10 the veer.. it's so tiny! Aug 30 20:14:21 Sedorox: yep! <3 Aug 30 20:14:42 we just switched from Sprint to AT&T (and in our area, went from Sprint 1x to AT&T H+ :D ) Aug 30 20:17:39 wanna cookie? Aug 30 20:19:16 bb-q, nope...wanna tp. Aug 30 20:19:54 oh Aug 30 20:20:04 just found a website with tp's in stock Aug 30 20:20:35 Ooh can u pm me the link bb-q Aug 30 20:20:48 don't share it or you won't be able to compleat your order before it crashes. Aug 30 20:21:06 one sec Aug 30 20:21:28 I'm talking about when he's done the order so that I can buy it in peace too Aug 30 20:21:48 http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?Prodid=11614723 Aug 30 20:30:44 Bb-q the second I clicked it already disappeared Aug 30 20:57:57 Ton of people idling here :) is good Aug 30 20:59:16 Saij: haha good pr Aug 30 20:59:36 Right? Aug 30 21:00:24 The mor ppl in the group the more it makes ppl want to join Aug 30 21:00:33 More* Aug 30 21:00:35 Very true Aug 30 21:00:49 I'm really just testing out wIRC Aug 30 21:01:01 Its not bad at all Aug 30 21:01:10 I'm on iPhone lol Aug 30 21:01:36 Is wirc the webs irc client Aug 30 21:01:40 ? Aug 30 21:01:45 ya Aug 30 21:02:35 Can't wait for my tp to arrive but it's gonna be a while as it's comin from us to il Aug 30 21:02:40 anyone have experience issuing AT commands on a rooted Palm Pre 2? Aug 30 21:04:02 \/usr/bin/PmLinuxModemCmd is not available… so not sure where to start Aug 30 21:04:24 dtzWill: does the XServer start on boot? I saw the upstart script in the root folder but I am a bit confused about the upstart scripts and how those are used if we're using Xcutah to load up XServ and XTerm. Aug 30 21:04:35 cyclic: definitely not on boot Aug 30 21:04:53 cyclic: xecutah uses upstart to launch the xecutah.sh scripts in each of the xecutah targest (xserver, xterm, the two chroots) Aug 30 21:05:08 that is xecutah's job--run 'xecutah.sh' outside the jail for whitelisted apps Aug 30 21:05:19 ah ok Aug 30 21:05:33 thx Aug 30 21:06:37 do you use the emulator to develop? Aug 30 21:08:12 cyclic: not at all Aug 30 21:08:17 i think i have it intsalled. pretty sure. Aug 30 21:08:43 eh, I can't get out of the tuxedo boot, I hosed a lib file on my device Aug 30 21:08:58 just need to turn it off Aug 30 21:08:59 lol Aug 30 21:09:13 it reboots but then sticks on the tuxedo screen Aug 30 21:10:00 and I don't have my usb cable with me Aug 30 21:12:14 any idea how to force it to shut off? Aug 30 21:12:55 what's a tuxedo screen? Aug 30 21:13:07 hold the power and home buttons for 15-30seconds Aug 30 21:13:13 * NuttyBunny rolls eyes Aug 30 21:13:34 Sup nutty :) Aug 30 21:13:45 the name is Tux!!! the same as the name is "webOS", not "the webOS", not "WebOS" Aug 30 21:13:50 sup Saij Aug 30 21:14:09 nm, got it Aug 30 21:14:20 How goes life? Got your touchpad? Aug 30 21:16:58 WebOS is more forgiving than "the webOS" Aug 30 21:17:56 Saij: My TP arrives on Thursday! Aug 30 21:18:01 Thanks to haeffb!! Aug 30 21:18:49 Nice. Aug 30 21:19:07 Wicked :) my pre2 gsm arrives too Aug 30 21:19:23 Wondering what to do with my pixi+ now... Aug 30 21:19:24 I get like 7 packages from UPS tomorrow (one of which includes my 4 Pre2s Aug 30 21:19:44 keep it for parts! Aug 30 21:19:53 Pre3 is stupid hard to get. Pre2 are still very fast devices, right? Aug 30 21:20:29 Pre2 is the best deal you can get right now, pretty fast, an excellent device! Aug 30 21:20:33 I just got a new battery and touchstone/touchstone cover for the pixi+ :( I don't want to get rid of it lol Aug 30 21:20:50 keep it for a spare, in case you break your pre2 Aug 30 21:20:52 Pre2 is solid and makes you wish you didnt pull the trigger earlier Aug 30 21:21:18 Its much faster than pixi+ right? How would it stack up to say, droid incredible? Aug 30 21:21:43 Saij: The moment you use the Pre2 you won't want to return to your Pixi, ever. Aug 30 21:22:11 That good, eh? :P the pixi form factor I love though... Aug 30 21:22:33 I got it for 110 US new unlocked GSM, is that a good deal? Aug 30 21:23:09 that seems to be about the going rate in my area on craigslist Aug 30 21:23:39 I don't personally particularly think it's a 'good deal' given the ready access I had to cheaper ones Aug 30 21:24:02 I saw that veers are going about that expensive, figures why not go for a faster model with more screen and storage Aug 30 21:24:29 Ah, I've not been as fortunate in finding hardware as you Aug 30 21:24:36 Good deal considering Pre2's were 250 bucks before the firesale Aug 30 21:25:51 Half off isn't bad. My touchpad is going to my dad :P Aug 30 21:26:13 Wanted sa device with flash capabilities Aug 30 21:26:40 yep, just having Flash is great, and it isn't that slow at all! Aug 30 21:28:44 Assuming no 1080p like the touchpad can, right? Aug 30 21:29:25 Browser would suck without flash Aug 30 21:29:44 At least with flash I can get by without some specific apps Aug 30 21:31:01 Random q, file archiver (7zip) and bittorrent clients. Possible on webOS? Aug 30 21:31:11 Saij: absolutely. Aug 30 21:31:16 been done. Aug 30 21:31:28 Saij: either could be made into a native app, if they aren't then fire up X and a chroot and have at it Aug 30 21:31:31 * halfhalo mapped /var/log to a ramdisk for kicks Aug 30 21:32:02 * NuttyBunny downloads his torrents on his Pre 2 Aug 30 21:32:46 How about webos apps instead of chroot for them... Aug 30 21:33:49 Yeah, not terribly fond of mucking about in term Aug 30 21:33:54 Well HTML5 videos work in the browser Aug 30 21:34:24 I get a ton of archive email attachments at school, can't do shit with them on webos Aug 30 21:34:44 I'd pay for a native archive app based on 7zip sources Aug 30 21:34:48 What are they archiving... Aug 30 21:35:07 Hmm I cant believe a porn app hasnt been made for WebOS Aug 30 21:35:10 My school email requires all attachments to be zipped Aug 30 21:35:33 Saij, why? Aug 30 21:37:19 does anyone know where webos keeps its usbnet driver Aug 30 21:37:28 i cant find it in /lib/modules Aug 30 21:39:31 Well, anything that isn't a pdf or office doc basically. I work with a lot of non-those formats lol Aug 30 21:47:02 howdy Aug 30 21:47:13 heya Aug 30 21:47:17 howdy Aug 30 21:47:24 dtzWill: what's the difference between the CodeSourcery toolchain and the NSLU2 toolchain for cross compiling? Rather, does a package have to be built with either one specifically to be included in preware? Aug 30 21:47:28 wanted to stop in and thank Unixpsycho for his work on F4 Aug 30 21:47:39 doesn't look like he's around. Aug 30 21:49:18 dwc-, if it was something being restored why did it work for awhile and quit later Aug 30 21:49:26 dwc-, and it also messes with emails :-/ Aug 30 21:49:43 dwc-, sorry i vanished had to run to work and wirc disconnected on the bike ride up Aug 30 21:50:31 * Jack87 might just do another webos doctor :( would requiring setting up ssh and chroot all over again Aug 30 21:53:02 halfhalo, any idea on how to get the damn browser up and running again? Aug 30 21:53:22 nope.... sorry Aug 30 21:55:33 Jack87: oh. I dunno. I didn't know it was working for awhile Aug 30 21:56:22 dwc-, yeah it stopped worked.. then i just said F*ck it and doctored. and it worked for a day or two and stopped again. also emails down show either Aug 30 21:57:13 suck. Aug 30 22:06:42 ctrl keymapping for xterm? trying to use Screen, is there something I don't know about? Aug 30 22:12:03 Epic crash Aug 30 22:12:23 The best kind Aug 30 22:12:26 There goes trying to find an episode of futurama to dl/watch Aug 30 22:12:30 jelatta: There isn't a ctrl mapping Aug 30 22:13:02 k, just wanted to make sure thanks Aug 30 22:13:26 really sucks that there isn't a usable terminal yet Aug 30 22:13:56 xterm doesn't cut it? Aug 30 22:14:39 not without modifier keys? Aug 30 22:15:08 practically useless without them Aug 30 22:15:40 ah. I got a bt keyboard for $4 at goodwill, I keep forgetting the normal one doesn't have those keys Aug 30 22:16:05 yeah, I definitely don't want to be lugging a keyboard around Aug 30 22:22:50 saw a screenshot of Wirc for touchpad. is that a different version or just running full screen? Aug 30 22:24:46 nohorse: it's the enyo version Aug 30 22:29:06 M25: ping re sshfs Aug 30 22:29:35 oh good, let me switch screens Aug 30 22:29:37 brb Aug 30 22:31:02 much better. I've got SSHFS building on my Ubuntu box, and running successfully on my touchpad. I used the CodeSourcery toolchain to build it, basing it off the sources in the Ubuntu 10.10 repo (which is what I had access to at the time) Aug 30 22:31:26 I think it'd be nice to get it in preware, what would I need to do for that? Aug 30 22:31:28 M25: have you seen http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Building_Apps_and_Kernels ? Aug 30 22:31:52 we can either build in the WIDK, or in build.git directly Aug 30 22:32:05 have not seen that, reading now Aug 30 22:32:08 I'm familiar with Git Aug 30 22:33:14 I'd rather not have to mess with the PDK, or the WIDK, if I can Aug 30 22:33:19 I'm getting the build set up now Aug 30 22:33:48 M25: if the deps are limited to things in the toolchain subdir, we can have the autobuilder build it directly from source Aug 30 22:34:26 they're not, I had to build glib and fuse to get it working Aug 30 22:34:31 e.g. like apps/wirc Aug 30 22:34:58 ok, perhaps we can add libfuse to the toolchain dir Aug 30 22:35:20 if not, we build in WIDK, then package like apps/sdlquake Aug 30 22:36:32 so, bottom line, widk, pdk, or raw git? Aug 30 22:37:28 rwhitby: ^ Aug 30 22:38:07 I'm using wIRC to connect to non-pub server at irc.twit.tv/6667 and it won't connect. is the / bad? I tried a : as well Aug 30 22:38:12 M25: if you can get libfuse to build in build.git/toolchain, and then sshfs to build in build.git/testing using the staged glib and fuse, then we're golden. Aug 30 22:38:29 that sounds doable, on it. Aug 30 22:38:29 if not, plan B is WIDK. Aug 30 22:38:51 either way, keen to get it in Preware. Thanks for dropping by and asking. Aug 30 22:40:57 rwhitby: not a problem. I've actually moved on to trying to build Matchbox-window-manager, so we can have window management when X forwarding Aug 30 22:41:00 what is the best way to do a whole-tablet backup? Aug 30 22:41:32 MrBIOS: backup target in meta-doctor Aug 30 22:42:53 M25: please liase with dtzWill about X plans Aug 30 22:44:03 I have, his ideas mainly revolve around using this kind of build environment I'm setting up now. I was building all the prerequisites myself, down to libX11.so. I'll need his help linking against the binaries already on the touchpad, but other than that it's pretty much done Aug 30 22:45:11 * nohorse solved my own problem by putting 6667 in the port number field in the advanced settings Aug 30 22:45:27 ...this is the longest git clone I've ever done Aug 30 22:46:36 rwhitby: also, ideally I'd like to package sshfs with a GUI tool, so I won't have to drop to command line every time I want to connect Aug 30 22:52:56 rwhitby: did you get a chance to patch up openssh? Aug 30 22:58:50 heh... Aug 30 22:59:49 he i was wondering if there will be any chance that wIRC will be released for the touchpad? Aug 30 23:00:00 Already is Aug 30 23:00:05 really? Aug 30 23:00:09 I've made a simple patch to the ny times app to make it play nice with the touchpad Aug 30 23:00:14 anyway to get it into the patch feed? Aug 30 23:00:21 ive looked through the store and cant find it Aug 30 23:00:31 http://forums.precentral.net/hp-touchpad-apps/295743-ny-times-app-needs-patch.html Aug 30 23:00:41 thanks! Aug 30 23:07:57 rwhitby, where do I get meta-doctor? Preware? Aug 30 23:08:20 MrBIOS: which google search terms have you tried so far? Aug 30 23:09:37 rwhitby I found http://www.rwhitby.net/blog/webos-internals/meta-doctor.html previously :) Aug 30 23:09:42 yay netsplits Aug 30 23:10:24 MrBIOS: it's two clicks away from there ;) Aug 30 23:12:27 suposedly the NYTimes app lets you access IRC... i really dont understand how, all i can see is news on that app Aug 30 23:14:10 could someone help me out? Aug 30 23:15:27 hi Aug 30 23:16:22 hey Aug 30 23:16:39 what's the process for making a patch in preware? Aug 30 23:16:42 i need help figuring out how to get wIRC on my touchpad Aug 30 23:16:44 just submit the diff to the site above? Aug 30 23:16:52 honestly that NYtimes one doesnt work Aug 30 23:16:58 all it has is news Aug 30 23:17:04 like one would expect Aug 30 23:17:05 spotter: diff -u rooted at / submitted to patches.webos-internals.org Aug 30 23:17:07 BirdOnAWire just install it Aug 30 23:17:10 it works fine on the touchpad now Aug 30 23:17:23 spotter: look at github/webosinternals/patches for examples Aug 30 23:17:27 rwhitby, can they be constrained to the touchpad? Aug 30 23:17:37 spotter: patches are always version specific Aug 30 23:17:46 so 3.0.x will be touchpad Aug 30 23:17:49 yes Aug 30 23:18:16 if the patch already exists in a previous webOS version, do an update rather than a new patch Aug 30 23:18:24 no, its new Aug 30 23:18:29 makes nytimes app play nice w/ touchpad Aug 30 23:18:30 it would be *really* nice if there was I way in preware to filter out non-Touchpad (fullscreen) apps Aug 30 23:18:33 simple patch Aug 30 23:18:39 uiversion and add back menu item Aug 30 23:18:44 note that we can't accept patches to stuff under /media/cryptofs through that interface Aug 30 23:18:51 ok Aug 30 23:18:54 spotter: you should post that in the TouchPad HD patches thread Aug 30 23:18:55 why not? Aug 30 23:19:08 our AUPT scripts can't handle it yet, cause the files are not in the doctor Aug 30 23:19:14 i think im missing something here Aug 30 23:19:35 that's annoying Aug 30 23:19:43 MrBIOS: indeed, it would be. app authors can specify device compatibility when they submit apps, and preware displays according to that Aug 30 23:20:32 when you guys are saying "nytimes" you are referring to "The New York Times" app? Aug 30 23:20:46 because there is no app in the catalogue called NYTimes Aug 30 23:21:26 wow alot of people..not see a chatroom this full since my old talkcity days..lol Aug 30 23:22:37 should i wait for hp's latest announced update or go ahead and OC my tp? Aug 30 23:23:00 will they overclock it next patch? Aug 30 23:23:24 wouldn't count on it Aug 30 23:23:31 heard it was underclocked and 1.5 was what it should be Aug 30 23:23:33 rwhitby, still not finding it, sadlty Aug 30 23:24:04 anyone who's been overclocking, how's it been on your battery life?, just out of curiosity Aug 30 23:24:05 which is why 1.8 is so stable..but i dunno...why im askin..heh Aug 30 23:25:05 from what ive read even 1.8 isnt bad on the batery and 1.5 is same as 1.2 batery wise Aug 30 23:25:15 so im curious Aug 30 23:27:27 dwc-: I do an overclock to 1.5, doesn't change battery life except when watching movies streamed over wifi, it makes the movies smooth but the battery life drains after a couple of hours Aug 30 23:27:37 between 2 and 4 usually Aug 30 23:27:52 how drainded? Aug 30 23:28:11 from full to empty in 2 to 4 hours of solid movie watching Aug 30 23:28:13 like 100 to 60 percent or 100 to dead? Aug 30 23:28:29 hd? Aug 30 23:28:43 good data points, thanks Aug 30 23:28:44 hell no, the player I use isn't GPU accelerated Aug 30 23:29:16 it's standard TV resolution, streamed over SFTP live as files, decoded by the CPU using TouchPlayer Aug 30 23:29:18 hmm..hows that compare in life to say the nook color? Aug 30 23:29:34 no idea, I don't think those can even do video Aug 30 23:29:52 i mostly surf net and play with apps and try roms on my nook color Aug 30 23:29:53 using SFTP may place additional computational strain on the CPU due to the encryption Aug 30 23:30:18 possibly. I cross-compiled SSHFS, working on getting it into Preware now Aug 30 23:30:38 does the Pre kernel have built in NFS support? I take it it does not Aug 30 23:30:50 my nook color was cool..like my tp alot more of course Aug 30 23:30:53 what would probably be mose useful to most people would be CIFS support, even if it were userland Aug 30 23:31:29 probably. I use SSH because of the security and compression, also it means I only ever have to open one port on my firewall Aug 30 23:34:09 understood :) Aug 30 23:34:58 is the tp irc app good?..ive only ever used mirc back in the day and browser ones lately Aug 30 23:35:15 themike: use wirc. It is good. Aug 30 23:35:24 agreed, wirc is good Aug 30 23:35:31 cool thnx Aug 30 23:36:16 dude.... these makefiles in the build.git are BOSS. Aug 30 23:37:35 rwhitby: ok, so I can download and package the xserver, which I assume includes all the necessary libraries Aug 30 23:37:50 how do I get those libraries in the raw .so form, instead of in an ipkg or as source? Aug 30 23:38:28 neeevermind. Aug 30 23:39:28 M25: what's your open source background - you seem to know what you're doing Aug 30 23:39:46 I did beta testing for Gnome-Do, waaay back, when it was at like 0.4 Aug 30 23:39:56 I'm a professional iphone and Java developer Aug 30 23:40:18 and I've just graduated with a BS in Comp-Sci Aug 30 23:40:23 ya gonna make us some tp lov pal ol buddy?..lol Aug 30 23:40:25 welcome to the platform :) Aug 30 23:40:52 thanks :) I got one in the firesale with exactly these kinds of projects in mind Aug 30 23:41:11 nice Aug 30 23:41:34 btw, dtzWill is one of the fastest devs I've seen, on the XServer port. Aug 30 23:41:41 M25: you've seen the raw optware repo accessible by ipkg-opt ? Aug 30 23:41:55 mmm *gets touchpad from car* Aug 30 23:41:58 not sure. I found the .so files I was looking for though Aug 30 23:41:58 ubuntu chroot time Aug 30 23:42:32 rwhitby: I gave your email to teamnoir, did he get ahold of you? Aug 30 23:42:45 M25: we started that port over a year ago :) Aug 30 23:42:45 but dtzWill is indeed awesome Aug 30 23:42:50 LarrySteeze: he did not Aug 30 23:42:54 ok Aug 30 23:43:24 yeah, I was debating getting an iPad, as my primary use-case for a tablet is X-forwarding on the go, and Android sadly doesn't have an X server ported to it Aug 30 23:43:29 at least, not natively Aug 30 23:44:25 rwhitby: so should I start up a new project folder in build/testing ? Aug 30 23:44:32 M25: yes Aug 30 23:44:50 that's the source of the testing feed, then we move things to apps for public feed Aug 30 23:45:24 gotcha. now, you recommended a package that I should base mine off earlier, which one was it? Aug 30 23:45:37 rwhitby, got meta-doctor built, thanks :) Any suggestions on how I should go about backing up my current environment before I nuke things?> Aug 30 23:45:38 I can write my own makefile, but it'd be a lot easier to get a head start Aug 30 23:45:40 is there a tp chat for reg newbs?..lol Aug 30 23:45:59 themike: I'm more than happy to help you in the chat or in PM Aug 30 23:46:00 M25: if you've got fuse in toolchain, then wirc is a good basis, using cross-compile.mk in the Makefile Aug 30 23:47:41 I have fuse built using its standard build scripts and the old toolchain, but fuse appears to be already built and running natively on the touchpad I've got... then again, I've got preware and xorg installed Aug 30 23:48:04 how do u reply here to a pm?..lol Aug 30 23:48:10 is there a way to link into the existing binaries on the touchpad? Aug 30 23:48:26 been like 12 years since i was active in irc Aug 30 23:48:48 actually, wait a sec... fuse is a kernel module Aug 30 23:49:02 themike: are you on mirc? Aug 30 23:49:19 it's definitely already built and running on the touchpad, it's in /etc/init.d and /sys/module/ Aug 30 23:49:30 im on the web client Aug 30 23:49:42 themike: How's Minnesota? Aug 30 23:50:17 Ah...I'm not too familiar with the web client...you can always type /msg Aug 30 23:50:42 yeah im used to just typin /r or rt Aug 30 23:52:08 rwhitby: does the existance of ./toolchain/i686-unknown-linux-gnu/build/i686-unknown-linux-gnu/i686-unknown-linux-gnu/sys-root/usr/include/linux/fuse.h in my build directory indicate I have fuse in toolchain? I'm still not sure what you mean by that phrase Aug 30 23:56:40 rwhitby: ^? Aug 30 23:56:44 M25: since fuse is on the device, if you have everything you need in build.git to build sshfs then all is fine Aug 30 23:57:11 gotcha. I'm new at cross-compiling, usually all my dependencies are in one place Aug 30 23:57:40 you seem to be sussing it out pretty quickly with no dumb questions so far Aug 30 23:58:09 rwhitby: the only person who asks dumb questions around here is me ;-) Aug 30 23:58:19 LarrySteeze, nope..me too Aug 30 23:58:25 thank you, I've done most of the work already, now it's just making the same techniques work off real dependencies. Aug 30 23:58:35 ka6sox: lol Aug 30 23:59:51 Wow.. Your web-a-thon is pretty impressive. Congrats! :D Aug 31 00:00:12 LarrySteeze: You forgot about me Aug 31 00:00:32 lmao. Aug 31 00:00:44 webos-internals: the only place people will admit to asking dumb questions Aug 31 00:03:12 When compiling a library with WIDK and it is looking for a header, it's looking in rootfs, correct? Aug 31 00:04:24 is there a way to have ubuntu chroot run full screen without the keyboard space? xterm runs full screen. Aug 31 00:06:30 whoa, so I looked into the makefile for wirc, and it's totally different from any makefile I've used thus far. Does mine need to download the source automatically (in this case from svn) and build? or should I just build it in-place and submit the makefile, sources, and binaries? Aug 31 00:07:09 rwhitby: ^ Aug 31 00:08:51 M25, we download the sources and build on an autobuilder before we distribute Aug 31 00:09:26 after a number of us test building, and functionality. Aug 31 00:09:44 ah, so I eventually do need to generate a makefile that does so? Aug 31 00:10:12 yes Aug 31 00:10:21 for us to distribute it we would need that. Aug 31 00:12:19 ok. So if I'm building from pre-existing sources (sshfs, you appear to already have the requisite dependencies in the toolchain), I should make a makefile that downloads and compiles those sources in a similar manner to, say, wirc? Aug 31 00:13:28 specifically, the project I'm looking at uses a configure script to generate its makefile, which would overwrite the existing one that's running the configure to generate the makefile to build the project... you see the issue.. Aug 31 00:13:52 yes Aug 31 00:13:59 thats the way we do it. Aug 31 00:14:03 since its cross built Aug 31 00:14:11 and any dependencies too. Aug 31 00:14:19 right, how do I avoid the configure script clobbering the existing makefile? Aug 31 00:14:30 M25: the tool in question is build in the ./build dir, so will not overwrite the Makefile in . Aug 31 00:14:42 build/arm actuall Aug 31 00:14:43 oh! sweet Aug 31 00:14:44 y Aug 31 00:15:11 take care peeps! Aug 31 00:15:20 rwhitby: would it be better to pull the code live from the development svn repo? or from a packaged .tar.gz? Aug 31 00:15:41 M25: release tar.gz is good, as long as they keep old versions around Aug 31 00:16:02 they do, it's sourceforge Aug 31 00:20:43 :-\ split Aug 31 00:24:03 sweet, my Wife's Touchpad order just shipped from HP :D Aug 31 00:24:56 rwhitby: can you confirm that TTS is active in the current iteration of the Pre 3 software? Aug 31 00:25:20 LarrySteeze: haven't turned it on yet. Aug 31 00:25:26 what should I have as the minimum webos version, considering I can only test this on my touchpad Aug 31 00:25:46 M25: leave it out - we'll set that as part of the testing feed tests Aug 31 00:25:55 gotcha Aug 31 00:53:42 Sorry if it has already been said, but I got an error installing the latest SSL remover patch on the TP 3.0.2. Aug 31 00:53:59 Is this a known thing or I am being a noob? Aug 31 00:55:41 WiredNix: I haven't encountered that Aug 31 00:55:47 but I'll test it out for you Aug 31 00:56:02 and see if I can figure out what's goin gon Aug 31 00:56:34 Lte me type the error I get.. Aug 31 00:58:22 hmm.. Aug 31 00:58:31 actually, I see it says couldn't connect to host. Aug 31 00:58:39 It might be my internet (It's shitty) Aug 31 00:58:42 One sec. Aug 31 00:58:44 that's not a problem with the patch Aug 31 00:58:52 I just tested it out for you and it worked fine for me Aug 31 00:59:06 ^_^' Aug 31 00:59:10 I just tried again and it worked. Aug 31 00:59:15 Sorry about that, LarrySteeze. Aug 31 00:59:22 nothing to be sorry about Aug 31 00:59:31 But thanks you for the help. I appreciate it :) Aug 31 00:59:32 I'm happy to do what I can to help Aug 31 01:00:08 I feel like I'm part of webos-internals customer service :P Aug 31 01:00:23 unofficially, of course Aug 31 01:00:27 lol Aug 31 01:01:03 everyone is Aug 31 01:01:24 oil: I know :P Aug 31 01:01:33 except some people are officially part of webos-internals Aug 31 01:01:43 I'm just along for the ride Aug 31 01:21:27 Good evening everyone, anyone around with a strong knowledge of Xserver and the such? Aug 31 01:22:00 that'd be dtzWill Aug 31 01:22:07 I'm working on a project with it as well though Aug 31 01:22:42 My curiosity has me wanting to try and load ChromeOS through it. Aug 31 01:23:35 that's a cool idea, however, it doesn't support multitouch on the touchpad yet, so zooming would be a problem Aug 31 01:24:27 kaerey: any reason you want to try chromeos over ubuntu or debian? Aug 31 01:24:50 Larry: yeah because already have Ubuntu with xfce4 running Aug 31 01:24:54 that's how i'm n here Aug 31 01:25:12 ah Aug 31 01:25:53 you have any specific xserver questions? I may not be able to answer, but I know there are people lurking in dark corners Aug 31 01:26:20 dtzwill is, however, probably one of the better people, along with rwhitby and cerealklr Aug 31 01:26:26 honestly, the standard browser in webos is nice enough that I'm not really looking for chromeOS Aug 31 01:26:32 Really, just is it theoretically Possible. I'll go doing research from there Aug 31 01:26:44 it's absolutely possible Aug 31 01:27:09 Kaerey: what're you wanting to do that ChromeOS can and the standard browser can't? Aug 31 01:27:13 though possibly unnecessary Aug 31 01:27:27 Nothing. Just looking to see what else this thing can do. Aug 31 01:27:30 but Aug 31 01:27:38 curiousity is why most of us are here Aug 31 01:28:01 we like making things do things they weren't intended to do :P Aug 31 01:28:09 yeah, its why my old original Pre dual booted Android Aug 31 01:28:12 and getting the most out of it Aug 31 01:28:35 eh? Aug 31 01:28:42 now THAT would be useful, I think Cyanogen's working on that Aug 31 01:28:45 I hadn't seen the pre- booting android Aug 31 01:29:11 m25: cyanogen posted a picture about half an hour ago. Success. Aug 31 01:29:18 really basically nothing worked but it booted and I could access all the menus. Directions are in the Precentral forums somewhere Aug 31 01:29:28 yeah, saw that, do they have touchscreen working? Aug 31 01:29:47 I was left under that impression, however, there was no video Aug 31 01:29:55 huh... our free app with the Veer doesn't want to go through Aug 31 01:29:56 I'm not interested in it on my tablet though Aug 31 01:30:08 if I want android on a tablet, I will use my xoom Aug 31 01:30:10 LarrySteeze: I've seen a video, it boots, but they don't have touchscreen working yet. Aug 31 01:30:29 #1 and #2 reason I want android on this thing: netflix and non-skype video chat. Aug 31 01:30:34 I'm more interested in webos though. I don't like android Aug 31 01:30:59 m25: and you think camera support will come within the first year? Aug 31 01:31:07 LarrySteeze: NOPE :P Aug 31 01:31:15 LarrySteeze: much less accelerated video Aug 31 01:31:27 I have to admit, this bluetooth keyboard is Pretty fun. Aug 31 01:31:27 camera is one of the last things that comes to those types of ports Aug 31 01:31:33 LarrySteeze: which is why I'm focusing on WebOS for the time being, rather than messing with possible android Aug 31 01:31:46 oakridgeoutdoors: I miss wisconsin Aug 31 01:31:51 oh he left Aug 31 01:32:57 honestly, all the apps I use other than video/music/pictures playing/organizing are online Aug 31 01:33:04 and those are on my own personal server :P Aug 31 01:33:08 i don't think i have been in this chat room in like 2 years. reminds of digging through the Preferences database in order to figure out how to change the Original text message tone. Aug 31 01:33:29 why'd you leave us? Aug 31 01:33:47 the 2 year old that is now trying to tyPe as am tyPing Aug 31 01:34:50 he is really wanting to take the "i-Pee" and Play "boom" aka the TouchPad to Play AngryBirds Aug 31 01:35:36 :P yeah, put a binder clip over the home button and disable the home-swipe gesture, drop him in an app and pray he doesn't drown the thing Aug 31 01:35:39 as long as "boom" doesn't mean throwing it at the wall Aug 31 01:36:18 my wife fell asleep ON her kindle Aug 31 01:36:29 oh! that reminds me. Anyone else having an issue where the edges of the screen start slowly peeling up from the back of the touchpad? Aug 31 01:36:40 not i Aug 31 01:36:50 nor my wife, who is rather abusive towards her gadgets Aug 31 01:36:59 I've only read reports of cracking near the speakers Aug 31 01:37:37 He is actually very adePt at using WebOS and iOS. He can turn them both on, slide to unlock them both, navigate to angry birds, and the games menus and start Playing Aug 31 01:37:49 wow.... at 2? Aug 31 01:37:57 2.5 Aug 31 01:38:03 still. can he talk yet? Aug 31 01:38:08 but hes been using my Pre since he could hold it Aug 31 01:38:25 lol, you should get him a Veer, it'd fit his fingers Aug 31 01:38:36 Oh yeah. and he knows where his Phalanges are Aug 31 01:38:37 get me a veer first :-\ Aug 31 01:38:52 I'm giving him my IPhone4 when I find a Pre3 Aug 31 01:39:26 I assume with a waterproof case? Aug 31 01:39:35 We keeP my wife's old Pre charged for him to Play Angry Birds on for now Aug 31 01:39:59 LOL no case. it's an IPhone who cares if it breaks. Aug 31 01:40:02 why are all of your "p" characters capitalized? Aug 31 01:40:25 LOL my bluetooth keyboard won't tyPe a lowercase P for some reason on this Aug 31 01:40:38 I should Probably find a way to fix that Aug 31 01:40:55 I need help lol Aug 31 01:40:56 yeah...that's a bit odd Aug 31 01:41:04 what kind of bluetooth keyboard? Aug 31 01:41:07 <|smash> hello Aug 31 01:41:08 Framework: what's up? Aug 31 01:41:21 root@FrankiesHPTouchPad:/home# tar -xvf /media/internal/AndroidSystem.tar -C /de Aug 31 01:41:21 |smash: hello Aug 31 01:41:21 v/store/android-system/ Aug 31 01:41:21 tar: /dev/store/android-system: Cannot chdir: Not a directory Aug 31 01:41:21 tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now Aug 31 01:41:21 root@FrankiesHPTouchPad:/home# mkdir /dev/store/android-system/ Aug 31 01:41:22 mkdir: can't create directory '/dev/store/android-system/': File exists Aug 31 01:41:23 The HP one for this TouchPad Aug 31 01:41:24 @_@ Aug 31 01:41:49 :P I bought a $4 bluetooth keyboard at goodwill Aug 31 01:41:53 Framework: android? Aug 31 01:42:13 Si Aug 31 01:42:31 Framework: where is your public project located? Aug 31 01:42:32 <|smash> ha! oh snap!... as they say. is what I think is going on, going on! Aug 31 01:42:47 #touchdroid ._. Aug 31 01:43:17 cd to /dev/store Aug 31 01:43:18 where can I download the most recent version of the project? Aug 31 01:43:18 Framework: android-system appears to be a file, not a directory Aug 31 01:43:29 then ls -l Aug 31 01:43:37 <|smash> m25: score. with the keyboard. Aug 31 01:43:43 one second Aug 31 01:43:45 it probably is a zipped archive. Aug 31 01:43:46 <|smash> I need one too. Aug 31 01:43:59 |smash: yeah, the only thing that was broken was the power switch. Stuck on! :P Aug 31 01:44:14 M25, you figure out your makefile yet? Aug 31 01:44:17 <|smash> hua. easy enough fix too. Aug 31 01:44:32 wrea: working on it, adding the -L library includes Aug 31 01:44:43 toughest part, after this it's all copying files and deploying Aug 31 01:45:19 <|smash> oh, I was talking about the keyboard. :p Aug 31 01:46:03 Oh anyone want to trade a TouchPad for my wife... I have to warn you... she bought me Dr. PePPer 10. So she's somewhat damaged goods Aug 31 01:46:30 <|smash> I'm super jacked! about touchdroid. if I can help at all I will. but I doubt I can. I'm a gimp ninja tho. Aug 31 01:46:31 |smash: I was too... ? Aug 31 01:46:37 I'm at the point to needing to know how to do make install and get it packaged. Aug 31 01:47:16 kaerey: i'm interested Aug 31 01:47:25 oh wait Aug 31 01:47:28 wrea: what're you building? Aug 31 01:47:30 wrong way around Aug 31 01:47:37 libnl Aug 31 01:47:47 <|smash> m25 copying files to make the keyboard work? won't any bluetooth keyboard work with webos? Aug 31 01:47:50 I already have a wife Aug 31 01:48:10 |smash: the part about the switch was about the keyboard. the copying files is for my build :P Aug 31 01:48:17 does she buy you regular dr. PePPer or this 10 stuff? Aug 31 01:48:20 And I have a gf, dont need a another women to nag me Aug 31 01:48:32 sorry about that Aug 31 01:48:34 I only drink dr. pepper with one capital p Aug 31 01:48:40 not the ghetto version with three Aug 31 01:48:45 haha Aug 31 01:48:51 lol Aug 31 01:48:53 <|smash> m25. I thought so.. :p touchdroid? or something else? Aug 31 01:49:00 have a one line patch for email program Aug 31 01:49:09 http://pastebin.com/QwRNqAJC Aug 31 01:49:21 Believe it or not, this isn't actually the channel for android :-\ Aug 31 01:49:47 |smash: SSHFS Aug 31 01:49:48 I know, but no where there knows the problem Aug 31 01:49:53 in Body.js this line is evil Aug 31 01:49:54 eturn (isDeletion) ? (prev || next) : (next || prev); Aug 31 01:49:54 and its not really an android related problem Aug 31 01:50:02 <|smash> spotter, I can't see any of the content in my emails. will your patch fix this? Aug 31 01:50:08 no Aug 31 01:50:11 this is one liner Aug 31 01:50:22 Framework: Before I can help you, I need to know the location of your project, in downloadable form Aug 31 01:50:23 makes it deletion move messages in a sane manner Aug 31 01:50:24 Oh wait, the onscreen keyboard isn't working either for lowercase P. must be an ubuntu install issue. Aug 31 01:50:37 works fine in webos Aug 31 01:50:40 um Aug 31 01:50:42 why Aug 31 01:50:43 lol Aug 31 01:50:51 it's what we've been instructed Aug 31 01:51:51 I also need to know your stance on the illegal distribution of IP currently owned by HP and/or Qualcomm Aug 31 01:52:01 perhaps we should take ths to PM? Aug 31 01:52:12 this* Aug 31 01:53:58 <|smash> yay bureaucracy. always helping things progress. :p Aug 31 01:55:48 well, we just want to ensure that things are open to the public domain, so as to further our education while we help further their education Aug 31 01:56:24 <|smash> I understand. just joking around. :) Aug 31 02:03:12 [03:57] HP stores are having fire sales as well Aug 31 02:03:12 [03:57] <+Enron> LOL Aug 31 02:03:12 [03:57] All Palm phones for $27 Aug 31 02:03:34 27? Aug 31 02:03:56 [03:57] no contract Aug 31 02:03:56 [03:58] just $27 out the door Aug 31 02:04:03 wtf Aug 31 02:04:10 they'd have to be in stock.. Aug 31 02:04:27 WHAT Aug 31 02:04:29 I WANT Aug 31 02:04:31 8D Aug 31 02:04:46 I've been wanting a Pre 2 Aug 31 02:05:03 Me dos Aug 31 02:07:19 Ive been watching the hp store for days, nothing has came in stock Aug 31 02:10:37 rwhitby, was that patch file I sent you done correctly? Aug 31 02:11:36 http://twitter.com/#!/Adora/status/108719035356688384 :D ( and http://twitter.com/#!/wdtz/status/108721939845091328 for the images) Aug 31 02:11:41 netbook launcher running in a chroot via x goodness Aug 31 02:12:47 hehe.. just fucking google it Aug 31 02:14:09 dtzWill: do you know anything about xserve? Aug 31 02:14:58 LarrySteeze: well i know an awful lot about the webos port ^.^ Aug 31 02:15:16 dtzWill: you using bt kb/mouse? Aug 31 02:15:17 or touchscreen Aug 31 02:15:32 dragoon: bt mice don't pair with webos afaik Aug 31 02:15:46 dragoon: an no one's hacked the bt enough to make it so, again afaik Aug 31 02:15:58 lately been using primarily bt keyboard+touchscreen Aug 31 02:16:00 ah fair enough Aug 31 02:16:07 dtzWill: what do you think about a chromeOS port? :D Aug 31 02:16:09 bt mouse would be nice Aug 31 02:17:48 anybody here who maintains preware? Aug 31 02:18:02 The fact that it does not ask for confirmation is an EPIC UI FAIL Aug 31 02:18:06 even moreso on a touch device Aug 31 02:18:19 it just downloaded 60 megs and now I get to do it over again because I fat-fingered it Aug 31 02:18:28 MrBIOS: confirmation to install? Aug 31 02:18:30 I love preware, but that's really dumb Aug 31 02:18:32 no, to uninstall Aug 31 02:18:48 LarrySteeze: don't know anything about chromeOS, really. at least not enough to entertain a discussion about a port viability/desirability Aug 31 02:19:16 well it's certainly viable with xserver/xecutah Aug 31 02:19:27 desirable? I'm not sure about that one :P Aug 31 02:19:44 i mean my light understand is it uses chrome via X and those already work--but idk how at what level it declares itself an actual 'OS', so not sure what it'd take Aug 31 02:20:23 if it's a glorified set of browser applications, seems doable. if they expect a javascript vm in the kernel, and a host of supporting services, maybe less so O:) Aug 31 02:20:30 (but like i said i have no idea hehe) Aug 31 02:21:33 cant you get everything for chromeos Aug 31 02:21:38 in the browser chrome Aug 31 02:22:09 I think you can access everything in the webkit browser built into webos Aug 31 02:22:51 it's just something someone else brought up earlier and I wanted to see if dtzWill mirrored my thoughts on viability Aug 31 02:23:36 is there a way on the original Pre to turn off the phone, basically making it a wifi only device? Aug 31 02:23:50 <|smash> yes. Aug 31 02:24:02 is anybody playing movies over cifs share? I have uberkernel .36 running and I can see it in internals and xterm but can't play it. I mounted in media/internal/ but no webOS apps can see it Aug 31 02:24:04 absolutely Aug 31 02:24:14 <|smash> turn on airplane mode then enable wifi. Aug 31 02:24:26 ahh, didn't think about that Aug 31 02:24:27 danke Aug 31 02:24:52 that's how it works in Android, too, oddly enough Aug 31 02:24:54 well Aug 31 02:25:09 I do it at home since I have zero coverage due to the fact that I live in a canyon Aug 31 02:25:11 there's actually a process to actually disable the phone radio without airplane mode Aug 31 02:25:14 but plenty of Wi-Fi Aug 31 02:25:29 <|smash> there is also a patch that will turn your phone radio off for as long as the patch is installed.. but I like the ability to sync my clock via cell signal. Aug 31 02:25:37 what's the app in preware that adds a reboot menu to the power menu? Aug 31 02:25:41 I had it on here before flashing Aug 31 02:25:56 Sedorox: CDMA or GSM? Aug 31 02:25:59 advanced power options? I just added it back myself Aug 31 02:26:00 CDMA Aug 31 02:26:04 original Pre Aug 31 02:26:48 one of those options patches..uber ultimate..something Aug 31 02:26:48 we just upgraded to Veer's, and I really don't want to get rid of the original, as it's still a capable mobile internet device.. but I don't want it to be sitting on Sprint's network all the time Aug 31 02:27:16 org.webosinternals.patches.notifications-advanced-reset-options Aug 31 02:27:18 or...just openthe phone app and go to options Aug 31 02:27:26 <|smash> I think I have to reflash. my browser is messed up and so is my email. but I just reflashed! wtf! Aug 31 02:27:46 Sedorox: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_Hash_Codes Aug 31 02:29:09 Sedorox: Simply open your phone application and type ##633# Aug 31 02:29:22 check the "device menu maxed out ultra" patch Aug 31 02:29:42 hash codes are my only real claim to fame in webos-internals :P Aug 31 02:29:52 hehe, danke Aug 31 02:30:52 LarrySteeze: exactly what I was looking for, thank you very much! Aug 31 02:31:00 no problem Aug 31 02:32:05 now I should do things like the uberkernels on my original and the thing should be nice and snappy Aug 31 02:32:18 the great thing is that you don't need patches or preware for hash codes Aug 31 02:32:27 yup Aug 31 02:34:32 hey guys Aug 31 02:34:43 i got myself a partitions question Aug 31 02:35:50 trying to remove my ext3fs partition and reclaim the space without meta-doctor Aug 31 02:36:17 Hey Larry look!!! ppppppppppppppp Aug 31 02:37:16 following the guide in the wiki, i am stuck at : # umount /dev/mapper/store-media Aug 31 02:37:28 sorry wasn't looking Aug 31 02:37:30 what's up? Aug 31 02:38:06 Dr_Drache: did you remember to remove the ext3fs partition information from the meta-doctor? Aug 31 02:38:27 LarrySteeze, yes, but i didn't want to metadoctor again. if i can help it Aug 31 02:38:29 LarrySteeze: pppppppppppppp Aug 31 02:38:35 aka comment out the info Aug 31 02:38:36 ah Aug 31 02:38:48 you should be able to webos doctor it just fine Aug 31 02:38:58 why are you sending me p's? Aug 31 02:38:59 oh Aug 31 02:39:04 you got the caps fixed Aug 31 02:39:07 LOL Aug 31 02:39:07 good job! Aug 31 02:39:12 Kaerey: hooray! :) Aug 31 02:39:26 Kaerey: you poking at the netbook launcher stuff now? :D Aug 31 02:39:41 Yeah trying to. that other guy got me intrigued with his screen shots Aug 31 02:39:43 i guess, i just didn't feel like meta-doctoring and reinstalling everything for a 3rd time today/ Aug 31 02:40:05 Kaerey: haha yeah. i posted about those b/c they're pretty excellent. hope someone wraps that up neatly soon Aug 31 02:40:35 dtzWill: netbook remix gui is old news...we had that up and running a couple days ago Aug 31 02:40:49 LarrySteeze: haha, well no one told me! :) Aug 31 02:41:06 LarrySteeze, is there a way yo backup ALL my data? Aug 31 02:41:06 lol Aug 31 02:41:10 i mostly spend my time improving/fixing the x server itself, not so much on the apps themselves Aug 31 02:41:26 dtzWill: i was told you're the xserver guy. If I have the hexxah flash drive image of ChromeOS, how could we mount that in XServer? Aug 31 02:41:45 dtzWill: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Netbook_Remix Aug 31 02:42:18 Kaerey: i'm unfamiliar with chromeos itself, but you can certainly try mounting the image, (and bind mount misc things per normal chroot goodness) and give it a go Aug 31 02:42:32 i'd be very interested in how that turns out, and certainly willing to help debug as i can :) Aug 31 02:42:40 how do I download prepare on my HP touchpad? Aug 31 02:43:05 jamie: http://bit.ly/phd-ac Aug 31 02:43:18 jamie: http://bit.ly/phd-ac Aug 31 02:43:19 err Aug 31 02:43:23 (it's rwhitby's anniversary after all, figure i'll push his app for him ;)) Aug 31 02:43:23 LarrySteeze, so no backup solution to ease the pain of meta-doctoring Aug 31 02:43:33 but in all seriousness it's rather useful Aug 31 02:43:46 Dr_Drache: if you're using your palm profile, it should back everything up Aug 31 02:43:58 just make sure you go hit the update button Aug 31 02:44:06 Dr_Drache: you *can* but it's dangerous Aug 31 02:44:26 I remember someone was working on a project to pull the info via usb before Aug 31 02:44:28 dangerous? Aug 31 02:44:33 so you could "re-image" it Aug 31 02:44:35 if you unmount all the related partitions (convince the device to not use cryptofs off of /media/internal, etc), then use lvm to resize things Aug 31 02:44:52 but the problem is, it will remember your partition sizes as well Aug 31 02:44:57 and resize the partitions... Aug 31 02:45:16 it's easier to just doctor and use the palm profile Aug 31 02:45:26 i did the reverse of that to create my ext3fs, no metadoctor. but i also had things backed up and was ready to just doctor it Aug 31 02:45:45 yea, but then all the slow downloads from app catalog, blah. Aug 31 02:45:57 oh well Aug 31 02:46:03 if you're on wifi, it will take what...a minute and a half? Aug 31 02:46:14 nope, took like 40 min last time Aug 31 02:46:17 geez Aug 31 02:46:21 I've never had it take that long Aug 31 02:46:34 scoutcamper: you seen http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Netbook_Remix ? Aug 31 02:46:48 seems to include the upstart fix Aug 31 02:46:51 so, you see my desire for something simpler Aug 31 02:47:08 or... faster Aug 31 02:47:10 simpler Aug 31 02:47:15 not really needed Aug 31 02:51:58 so I do make package to build something into a ipkg? Aug 31 02:52:16 I'm getting python related errors when I do Aug 31 02:52:56 hmm **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Aug 31 02:59:57 2011