**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Sep 01 02:59:57 2011 Sep 01 03:25:21 jtrucks, I am testing using xchat via znc. Sep 01 03:27:27 ka6sox: how is it? Sep 01 03:28:46 on a touchpad, quite nice Sep 01 03:28:54 you are speaking to it now. Sep 01 03:29:50 by Inc do you mean vnc? Sep 01 03:40:13 rwhitby: sorry I disappeared, are you around by any chance? Sep 01 04:02:45 hey how can i install a fresh VM image of the 3.0.2 SDK? Sep 01 04:02:55 i delete it with --remove-all Sep 01 04:03:12 and now when i try to install it or start palm-emulator and try to start it, it fails.... Sep 01 04:04:38 anyone?? Sep 01 04:49:07 gandhijee: why did you delete instead of just reset? Sep 01 04:50:35 gandhijee: just doing palm-emulator --reset "SDK 3.0.2.652 (1024x768)" would have accomplished what you wanted Sep 01 04:54:28 destinal_: because i didn't know any better.... Sep 01 04:54:37 now its all jacked up, but i figure out a way to get it back Sep 01 04:58:04 gandhijee: what OS are you on, it won't even let me remove-all Sep 01 04:58:36 gandhijee: at any rate it should be possible to use the reset command still, or lacking that, the install command to fix it hopefully Sep 01 04:59:54 yeah.. install vomits on itself Sep 01 04:59:58 i am using ubuntu 10.04 Sep 01 05:01:59 Hi all Sep 01 05:02:32 I got a palm pre 2 today and the keys x,v,n on the keyboard didn't work out of the box Sep 01 05:02:47 I restarted the phone and they worked for some time and they stopped working now Sep 01 05:03:11 anyone else had similar experience ? Sep 01 05:05:32 Cant help you there. I only can wish I had a Pre 2 :P Sep 01 05:06:26 jtrucks, ka6sox: what control key combinations don't work? Sep 01 05:09:03 dtzWill, gotta check again Sep 01 05:10:39 Can someone tell me if ther eis a fix for the TP exhibition mode photos remembering the selected album upon reboot? I am running 3.02 Sep 01 05:14:43 Helloooooo, if I wanted to possibly get started with Homebrew, writing patches more specifically- is there anywhere one might recommend that I start? Or I'm in over my head just by asking in this question in the first place? Sep 01 05:20:48 Nobody? :( Sep 01 05:28:50 did the TP like explode in Australia or something? What timezone are all y'all in? Sep 01 05:30:45 I'm only 3 hours behind you Sep 01 05:35:15 UTC -8 Sep 01 07:06:37 ka6sox: ping Sep 01 07:09:00 dtzWill: Hey! Sep 01 07:09:45 Hey can someone please try running ipkg-opt install gdb ? Sep 01 07:09:57 on their TP that is Sep 01 07:10:30 eh Sep 01 07:10:43 actually, it's just me Sep 01 07:10:47 sheet Sep 01 07:12:01 ipkg-opt update fails too ipkg-opt install gdb ipkg_conf_init failed to create temporary Sep 01 07:12:17 Failed to create temporary directory `(null)' Sep 01 07:12:25 Read-only file system Sep 01 07:13:17 you need to set your /opt or / read-write Sep 01 07:13:49 so /opt should never be read-only meaning something is very very wrong Sep 01 07:14:03 or maybe the fs is full? Sep 01 07:14:05 yeah I just wiped my whole TP Sep 01 07:14:09 don't just try and set it read-write. you have a problem and that is not the fix. Sep 01 07:14:11 because I had this issue before too Sep 01 07:14:13 Anyone here on a mac compile with arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc? Sep 01 07:14:24 Some package is doing this Sep 01 07:14:42 I cleaned my whole device Sep 01 07:14:49 ran the doc Sep 01 07:15:15 then installed the usual patches, which ever caused this before Sep 01 07:15:31 then setup opt ware with openssh and sftp Sep 01 07:15:53 and xecutah etc... Sep 01 07:16:26 dropped my keys into the ~/.ssh folder (id_rsa, authenticated_keys) and rebooted Sep 01 07:16:33 that's it Sep 01 07:16:41 pastebin the output of cat /proc/mount Sep 01 07:17:08 at /proc/mount cat: can't open '/proc/mount': No such file or directory Sep 01 07:17:49 mounts Sep 01 07:18:15 http://pastebin.com/Fu2QS2eA Sep 01 07:18:47 hrrm Sep 01 07:19:16 /dev/mapper/store-root /opt ext3 ro,relatime,errors=continue,barrier=0,data=writeback 0 0 Sep 01 07:19:18 that is wrong Sep 01 07:19:19 the only thing that I have installed recently in my whole setup process, which is maybe when this started happening, is SFTP (fuse) for sshfs Sep 01 07:19:46 who added that mount for /opt to your fstab ? Sep 01 07:19:52 not i Sep 01 07:19:59 sftp? Sep 01 07:20:03 no Sep 01 07:20:06 hrrm Sep 01 07:20:08 pastebin your /etc/fstab Sep 01 07:20:10 the doctor? Sep 01 07:20:26 pastebin the output of ls -l /etc/event.d/ Sep 01 07:20:33 pastebin the output of ls -l /var/palm/event.d/ Sep 01 07:20:49 fstab: http://pastebin.com/xTP8TLju Sep 01 07:21:55 ls -l /etc/event.d: http://pastebin.com/16qThZL8 Sep 01 07:22:41 ls -l /var/palm/event.d/: http://pastebin.com/rDttMp05 Sep 01 07:25:00 what should this be instead? /dev/mapper/store-root /dev/.static/dev ext3 ro,relatime,errors=continue,barrier=0,data=writeback 0 0 Sep 01 07:25:17 oh let me check my emulator Sep 01 07:25:21 ok, so you have no ext3fs, so your optware is in a 128MB loopfs filesystem Sep 01 07:25:34 wait, I should? Sep 01 07:25:50 my dr created it Sep 01 07:26:04 Newbie question, but where is the .xinitrc stored for Xecutah? Sep 01 07:26:14 cyclic: it's not in your /etc/fstab, and it's not mounted Sep 01 07:26:27 crap Sep 01 07:26:47 shouldn't the dr add it? Sep 01 07:27:06 I ran the build with the option to add it Sep 01 07:27:09 what wiki page did you follow ? Sep 01 07:27:22 let me go see if I can dig it up Sep 01 07:29:07 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Chrooting that's one I used and http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor#How_to_get_the_optional_ext3fs_partition_mounted_at_device_boot Sep 01 07:29:29 ls /media card cf cryptofs ext3fs hdd internal mmc1 net ram realroot union Sep 01 07:29:40 I see it when I do ls /media Sep 01 07:30:06 but look in your /etc/fstab Sep 01 07:30:12 ok Sep 01 07:30:16 you didn't follow http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor#How_to_get_the_optional_ext3fs_partition_mounted_at_device_boot Sep 01 07:30:22 July on HP touchpad link not working Sep 01 07:30:54 oh right! Sep 01 07:31:00 sheesh Sep 01 07:31:24 I just assumed doctoring would take care of every clean install Sep 01 07:31:31 ice920: try august or september instead ;) Sep 01 07:31:34 it WAS working Sep 01 07:32:18 ok Sep 01 07:32:35 rwhitby: would it be ok to uninstall the opt ware apps and opt ware, setup my ext3fs properly, then reinstall? Will it pickup the new partition you think? Sep 01 07:34:49 hrrm http://pastebin.com/Ynqr3j5v Sep 01 07:37:10 my fstab after the wiki :: http://pastebin.com/pMKKeJuH Sep 01 07:37:48 doh! Sep 01 07:37:50 wtf Sep 01 07:38:20 sorry Sep 01 07:38:39 I owe you big time rwhitby !!! Sep 01 07:38:47 thank you so much Sep 01 07:39:28 cyclic: your /etc/fstab is incorrect Sep 01 07:39:33 yeah I fixed it Sep 01 07:39:36 ok Sep 01 07:39:38 don't know how I got that in there Sep 01 07:39:40 it works now Sep 01 07:39:45 you're awesome Sep 01 07:39:47 amazing Sep 01 07:39:53 wondrrous Sep 01 07:40:00 have you left a review for http://bit.ly/phd-ac ? Sep 01 07:40:14 I will right now! Sep 01 07:40:22 and FB it Sep 01 07:46:38 bought and done! Sep 01 07:58:43 rwhitby: does this look right? http://pastebin.com/NLmq966S Sep 01 07:59:39 ah wait, it's still not in there Sep 01 08:03:00 try to contact Metaview if he is willing to add some of the funcs to his Mappimng Tool. Sep 01 08:03:20 He is deep in OSM and have a pain adn a free version Sep 01 08:03:35 The MapTool aso supports offline OSM maps Sep 01 08:03:59 good...that is what I would like Sep 01 08:04:34 when I see Metaview I will ask Sep 01 08:05:11 I am taking pictures and geotagging them Sep 01 08:05:45 so I hope to add them as POI, then be able to bring them back up. Sep 01 08:06:46 : hope the synergy icq plugins will come Sep 01 08:11:06 is there any mapping app's that support a SPP bluetooth GPS yet? Sep 01 08:12:01 hewball, I don't know but thats the device I am getting tommorrow. Sep 01 08:12:12 so we shall see if I can read it. Sep 01 08:13:06 ka6sox: i have a serial to bluetooth i added to my arduino GPS logger be nice to get that output displayed on the touchpad too Sep 01 08:13:47 I think I have a QT1000 coming tommorrow. Sep 01 08:17:12 ka6sox: im still yet to find a logger that takes SD card Sep 01 08:17:42 so i built an arduino one and added bluetooth and display to it Sep 01 08:17:48 I have one for MSP part Sep 01 08:17:56 pretty LP Sep 01 08:18:37 webos has SPP gps support it seems, but nothing using it Sep 01 08:19:06 the QT is supposed to do that Sep 01 08:19:15 so maybe the maptool will use it. Sep 01 08:19:34 lolol Sep 01 08:20:12 I will have to ask Metaview Sep 01 09:52:26 hello # Sep 01 09:53:07 hi Sep 01 09:53:27 is there any issue with the feeds? i'm getting "error loading feeds" for several days Sep 01 09:54:02 using webos quickinstall, I mean Sep 01 09:54:27 do you have the latest version? Sep 01 09:56:10 4.2.3 Sep 01 09:56:31 it's the latest, afaik Sep 01 09:57:00 which OS? Sep 01 09:57:08 win xp Sep 01 09:57:21 open cmd.exe Sep 01 09:57:43 and change to the directory quick install is in Sep 01 09:57:57 cd /d "C:/path/to/quickinstall" Sep 01 09:58:13 java -jar QuickInstall.jar Sep 01 09:58:31 then try to load the feeds and see if error messages come up Sep 01 09:59:50 failed to load all of them Sep 01 10:00:16 I mean what error messages come up in the cmd Sep 01 10:00:37 I usually run webos quickinstall through a shortcut with debugging enabled, so I also have the log Sep 01 10:01:05 yes, "failed to load http://blah.blah" for every feed it tries to get Sep 01 10:01:17 in the log? Sep 01 10:02:00 yes, also in the log Sep 01 10:02:10 same output as in cmd.exe Sep 01 10:02:29 for example Sep 01 10:02:32 Downloading and parsing: http://webos-clock-themer.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/WebOS%20Clock%20Theme%20Builder/feed/Packages.gz Failed to load feed: http://webos-clock-themer.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/WebOS%20Clock%20Theme%20Builder/feed/Packages.gz Sep 01 10:03:10 no Java exception? Sep 01 10:03:27 do you have some additional feeds enabled? Sep 01 10:04:01 no, no java exceptions and yes, I have all the default feeds enabled Sep 01 10:04:55 are you behind a proxy? Sep 01 10:04:58 I'm behind a corporate proxy, i0m suspecting that preware.org could have been blocked Sep 01 10:05:10 ah Sep 01 10:05:13 but I want to exclude any feed issues Sep 01 10:05:26 dtzWill: CTRL-[ and since occassionally some keys get stuck on repeat, it gets stuck in a situation where it thnks CTRL is being held down. Sep 01 10:05:31 can you open the link you posted above in a browser? Sep 01 10:05:34 look at my netmask Sep 01 10:06:33 did you set up the proxy address as mentioned in this thread? http://forums.precentral.net/canuck-coding/228868-webos-quick-install-get-feeds-through-proxy-server.html Sep 01 10:07:12 Hi All, anyone here? Sep 01 10:07:13 let me check. I set up the proxy through the java utility i the control panel, but i'm goign to check that link Sep 01 10:07:32 haydnh: yes Sep 01 10:07:49 and yes, via web browser the package can be reached Sep 01 10:07:52 Any webos internals devs here looking to lay there hands on a Pre3? Sep 01 10:08:17 haydnh: Rod has one Sep 01 10:08:40 ok pcworld, i'm going and try with that commandline Sep 01 10:08:42 K thanks. :) Sep 01 10:10:14 GREAT! Sep 01 10:10:39 thanks for the link, pcworld! I supposed that setting up the proxy in java configuration utility would be enough Sep 01 10:10:53 because it used to work, when I installed webos quckinstall Sep 01 10:10:58 I wouldn't trust that Java config utility Sep 01 10:11:08 me neither, now :) Sep 01 10:11:44 very grateful. thanks. Sep 01 10:12:17 you can setup a shortcut in xp so you don't have to open the cmd everytime Sep 01 10:12:37 yes I'll edit the shortcut the same way I did in order to enable logging Sep 01 10:12:51 how did you enable logging? Sep 01 10:13:41 do you know if there is any syntax to enable an automatic proxy configuration url instead of a single proxy address? Sep 01 10:14:15 with "-log" at the end of the command line Sep 01 10:14:19 no, and I fear that doesn't work with Java standard configurations Sep 01 10:14:42 ok Sep 01 10:27:17 uhm, aparently it doesn't work using a windows shortcut. I'm afraid I'll have to create a batch Sep 01 10:29:01 I see no reason why it shouldn't work... Sep 01 10:30:35 still, it doesn't. im moving the directory where I put the jar file in a simpler path (i.e. Clark008 palm" instead of "c:\document and settings\ bla bla" Sep 01 10:30:46 ops Sep 01 10:30:59 what's that Clark008 :) Sep 01 10:31:10 idk :) Sep 01 10:31:13 it was intended to be a c:\ Sep 01 10:31:31 :D Sep 01 10:31:32 why do you want to move it? Sep 01 10:31:42 in order to simplfy the path Sep 01 10:31:53 ad to be able to do faster tries :D Sep 01 10:32:23 c:\palm is faster to type than the other one :) Sep 01 10:33:47 you have to do the shortcut to javaw.exe, with the proxy arguments and then -jar quickinstall.jar Sep 01 10:34:14 javaw.exe should be in C:/Program Files/Java/.../bin Sep 01 10:34:20 yes i did that way, but webosqi doesn't start Sep 01 10:35:04 i also tried to run the jar file directly (as it is associated to java) with the proxy parameters on the command line, it didn't work as well Sep 01 10:36:08 the second one probably doesn't work with arguments Sep 01 10:38:08 well it accepts at least -log Sep 01 10:38:28 ah ok Sep 01 10:38:48 but that proxy arguments don't go to quick install but to the jre Sep 01 10:39:20 when you tried the shortcut with javaw.exe, did you put the proxy args before "-jar ... -log"? Sep 01 10:40:16 yes Sep 01 10:40:56 but this is a good point, if they must be before the jar they cant be put as parameters for the jar itself Sep 01 10:41:39 yes that's what I tried to tell you ;) Sep 01 10:44:41 ok maybe you have to use java.exe and not javaw.exe Sep 01 10:44:56 because I'm not sure if javaw.exe accepts JRE params Sep 01 10:45:16 well in cmd.exe i use this command line Sep 01 10:45:21 javaw -DproxySet=true -DproxyHost=web-proxy -DproxyPort=8088 -jar c:\palm\WebOSQuickInstall-4.2.3.jar -log Sep 01 10:45:25 and it works fine Sep 01 10:45:36 when I put the same cmdline in a shortcut Sep 01 10:45:41 nothing happens Sep 01 10:45:46 ah Sep 01 10:46:19 you have to select the full path to javaw.exe when creating the shortcut Sep 01 10:46:53 and then put the rest in the arguments Sep 01 10:46:56 well it's in the path, in fact the shortcut icon is the java logo Sep 01 10:47:28 anyway the improtant thing is that there is a working method Sep 01 10:47:53 i'll refine the thing trying and trying :) Sep 01 10:47:55 it would help if you could post a screenshot of the shortcut dialog Sep 01 10:48:11 ok Sep 01 10:48:20 give me a few minutes Sep 01 10:48:27 sure Sep 01 10:50:32 btw, you can also ask Jason to put a proxy setting into the preferences dialog Sep 01 10:59:57 ok here i s the screenshot of the shortcut window Sep 01 11:00:02 http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/560/webos1.jpg/ Sep 01 11:00:44 in the "target" field there is the commandline I've posted a few minutes ago, WITH c:\windows\system32 at the beginning Sep 01 11:02:08 that is Sep 01 11:03:10 javaw -DproxySet=true -DproxyHost=web-proxy -DproxyPort=8088 -jar c:\palm\WebOSQuickInstall-4.2.3.jar -log Sep 01 11:03:35 oh I've just tried to remove the leading "c:\windows\system32\" and it works! Sep 01 11:03:37 ahah Sep 01 11:03:40 weird Sep 01 11:04:53 I don't think javaw is in system32 (but not sure) Sep 01 11:05:32 yes it is Sep 01 11:05:39 but good that it works now ;) Sep 01 11:06:04 ah ok right it's just the JDK things that are not in system32 Sep 01 11:06:29 well thanks a lot for your help, I was used to go on the web when I had to torubleshoot linux issues, I would never expect to need that also with windows :) Sep 01 11:06:54 I can't wait to have my pc rplaced, so that I can move back to linux Sep 01 11:07:11 (you know, corporate standards etc...) Sep 01 11:07:14 thanks Sep 01 11:07:20 I can go and have lunch now Sep 01 11:07:36 Windows is an illness when it comes to things like this (cmd.exe and such) Sep 01 11:07:50 you're welcome ;) Sep 01 11:08:00 enjoy Sep 01 11:08:04 :) Sep 01 11:08:09 ciao Sep 01 11:11:11 just getting my hands on Mode Switcher, but I'm wondering whether there's a way to trigger a mode manually (not based on any trigger like WiFi SSID, GPS Location, ...) Sep 01 11:12:03 yes I think so Sep 01 11:12:47 the question is just: how do I do it? when starting Mode Switcher and tapping a mode, the mode configuration is instantly opened... Sep 01 11:13:08 hmm it's been a while I played with mode switcher Sep 01 11:13:15 the pdf manual helped me a bit Sep 01 11:13:22 are you on TP/phone? Sep 01 11:13:29 Phone (Pre3) Sep 01 11:13:35 gonna read the PDF Sep 01 11:46:55 Hi All, anyone here able to have a quick chat about functions used in webos js files? Sep 01 11:48:24 Enyo or Mojo? Sep 01 11:49:51 Unsure, just starting to look at the code so want a fundamental overview really. Sep 01 11:50:21 webOS 2 or 3? Sep 01 11:50:59 for example, /usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.browser/source/FindBar.js there's a "this.doFind", I'm wanting to know where the doFind function is located (guessing in enyo or mojo code we can't access?) Sep 01 11:51:37 is there no doFind in this file? Sep 01 11:51:47 maybe FindBar is a "subkind"? Sep 01 11:52:07 webos 3 Sep 01 11:53:59 that's why I'm confused where this doFind come's from, doing a recursive grep on the whole PalmSDK path only returns that 1 calling of the function Sep 01 11:56:20 what kind is FindBar of? Sep 01 11:56:26 (kind: "...") Sep 01 11:56:51 enyo.HFlexBox Sep 01 11:57:42 I don't have the code of this currently so I can't look at it Sep 01 12:00:32 no worries, at least you've pointed me to the enyo api reference for HFlexBox Sep 01 12:01:01 I don't think there would be a "doFind" function in HFlexBox Sep 01 12:01:20 HFlexBox is just a container with hflexlayout Sep 01 12:07:33 Hi Sep 01 12:07:56 any tips yet to activating the pre3 in other countries? Sep 01 12:08:31 Impostah :) Sep 01 12:09:04 tried it, but it won't sync my data Sep 01 12:09:22 problem is i can't logon to my old palm account.. Sep 01 12:09:41 i reckon because i'm not in the country that the account is activated in Sep 01 12:10:43 right now i'm in dev mode, but locked out because of firstuse Sep 01 12:11:06 wondering if i should try starting impostah from command line Sep 01 12:11:13 from the pc Sep 01 12:12:26 did you do the ##devmode thing (don't know the code now) Sep 01 12:12:28 ? Sep 01 12:12:43 * pcworld is leaving now Sep 01 12:13:09 is there a way to get notified when xterm moves to stable? Sep 01 12:13:51 yes Sep 01 12:13:59 i did devmode Sep 01 12:14:02 and started impostah Sep 01 12:14:36 however i think i messed up in the beginning by making a new, local account.. since i couldn't login to my old Sep 01 12:15:04 so i've been trying to delete the old one, without much success Sep 01 12:18:10 i really can't find a good way to bypass first use on the pre 3 Sep 01 12:28:36 hmm trying dev mode off and on again Sep 01 12:56:46 luwangui: could you try meta-doctoring some firmware to bypass the activation? Sep 01 12:59:55 wait no i just read pre 3 Sep 01 13:31:03 hi Sep 01 13:31:59 yeah, no metadoctor without the doctor :) Sep 01 13:32:05 i'm on the chat with palm support atm Sep 01 13:32:23 anyone got any custom feeds? Sep 01 13:32:29 trying to get help with the account, can't login to my us account from europe it seems Sep 01 13:32:41 they are working on it though Sep 01 13:33:58 ok guess nit Sep 01 13:35:00 can't help you :) Sep 01 13:35:12 i only know the testing feeds :p Sep 01 13:36:34 that :p suggest otherwise mister Sep 01 13:38:02 lol, sorry to dissapoint Sep 01 13:38:22 only just got the pre 3.. haven't had a pre since the pre- Sep 01 13:40:31 luwangui, ask them for a 2.2.0 doctor while you're on the phone Sep 01 13:41:56 i'm on the chat :) Sep 01 13:42:08 but its not really related to my problem lol Sep 01 13:42:22 "oh my phone is suddenly bricked!" Sep 01 14:01:42 Seriously. It feels like the only reason they wont release it is because we can metadoctor it onto pre2's :p Sep 01 14:02:00 Abyssul, it'd be useful to metadoctor onto a pre3! Sep 01 14:02:09 That too Sep 01 14:16:59 oh how i love talking to tech support! Sep 01 14:18:39 :P Sep 01 14:18:46 Good morning :) Sep 01 14:19:28 are most people leaving their frequency on ondemand with 192 / 1.728? is there any disadvantage that you've seen? Sep 01 14:20:40 i see that dosbox has no maintainer listed. and it doesn't work well on the touchpad. does anyone know who ported that? Sep 01 14:21:28 Where can I find a list of preware packages? Is there an online browseable listing someplace? Sep 01 14:29:31 y0 anyone know if you can manually setup a wpa2 peap mschapv2 with no server auth connection somehow? Sep 01 14:29:37 i cant do it with the built in wireless manager Sep 01 14:33:07 anyone re: my above OC question? Sep 01 14:34:15 i think i see why vorbis doesn't work with playbin2 Sep 01 14:34:21 test building Sep 01 14:36:10 is there a touchpad skype client? Sep 01 14:36:50 Bikr: built into the touchpad Sep 01 14:36:55 just add the skype account in 'accounts' and have at it Sep 01 14:36:59 nice Sep 01 14:37:05 dtzWill: did you OC? Sep 01 14:37:08 that _said_, and others might have better stories, I've never had much success with it. Sep 01 14:37:42 Bikr: yep, to the 1.5ghz point Sep 01 14:38:10 sweet! Sep 01 14:38:22 did you leave it on ondemand? 192 - 1.5 Sep 01 14:39:02 so nobody has wpa2 with peap and mschap v2 working? Sep 01 14:43:50 one thing you might try is building wpa_cli from the original wpa_supplicant source Sep 01 14:44:51 JoShieldsHPPre3 gstreamer-0.10 # gst-launch-0.10 filesrc location=/media/internal/Music/test.ogg ! decodebin ! audioconvert ! pulsesink Sep 01 14:44:51 Setting pipeline to PLAYING ... Sep 01 14:44:56 the control interface appears to be used by the palm wifi service, so I suspect it should work Sep 01 14:45:54 where on webos-internals.org would be a good place to write up a tutorial on getting VLC to transcode and stream audio to the TP? Sep 01 14:51:33 elpollodiablo1: interesting. with some mechanism to choose which video from the TP? Sep 01 14:51:55 no video only audio and yes two ways Sep 01 14:52:04 a web interface or the vlc remote app Sep 01 14:52:22 ah, ok. sorry I don't know a place Sep 01 14:52:27 was just curious Sep 01 14:52:31 I was working on the video way but VLC does not stream .mp4 to http Sep 01 14:52:44 too bad Sep 01 14:53:12 yeah I am working on another soultion to stream my .mp4 videos though. Sep 01 14:53:37 ok Sep 01 14:53:52 unfortunately all my stuff is xvid (avi) Sep 01 14:53:56 * halfhalo votes convert on device. its fast enough to pull it off Sep 01 14:54:43 yeah vcl can transcode to .mp4 from other formats like avi but like I said cant stream to http Sep 01 14:54:56 VLC Sep 01 14:55:35 elpollodiablo1: could you use html5 and a pocket web server? Sep 01 14:56:04 oh wait , it won't know when to start encoding Sep 01 14:56:05 Bikr: for streaming .mp4? Sep 01 14:56:10 hm.. thinking Sep 01 14:56:12 elpollodiablo1: yah Sep 01 14:56:20 there's a solution in my mind somewhere just gotta find it haha Sep 01 14:56:31 Bikr: its been done. but all on device Sep 01 14:56:43 I have a webserver as part of my work around, just trying to figure out the best way to transcode. Sep 01 14:57:03 what's the appid for the built in music player app? Sep 01 14:57:04 I had a node server talking to ffmpeg that ran all on device that worked just fine Sep 01 14:57:44 halfhalo: that is nice, but I have way to much crap to put it all on my device. Sep 01 14:58:29 the server/ffmpeg part is portable. I just did it on device because that's how I roll Sep 01 14:58:29 halfhalo: does ffmpeg stream? I was trying to figure that out. Sep 01 14:59:06 elpollodiablo1: I had a node module handle all that for me, so don't know Sep 01 15:00:07 oh really, so the node module could do a http stream? or just an on the fly transcode and play locally? Sep 01 15:01:08 the module just wrapped ffmpeg and gave me the result. I just hooked that up to a web server. that's it Sep 01 15:01:20 not familiar with nodes capabilities just trying to come up with potential options to look into. Sep 01 15:04:02 halfhalo: well shoot that is handy. would I be able to take a look at the code and see what you did? Sep 01 15:05:16 don't have all that code anymore but there is a similar example server in the ffmpeg module I used. let me try to find that again to show you Sep 01 15:06:44 cool thanks anything is better then nothing Sep 01 15:06:54 gah. what am i missing? i have a horrible feeling my next blocker is some of the evil palm closed-source stuff like mediaserver Sep 01 15:09:23 anyone know if kernels like warthog stay working after a WebOS OTA update? Sep 01 15:10:10 (on phone so no direct link) search github for node-fluent-ffmpeg and in the examples folder look at express-stream.js Sep 01 15:10:48 heya Sep 01 15:11:17 quick question, any idea why quickos hangs at "installing" while copying over a ipk? Sep 01 15:13:41 Support worker said he didn't have the new doctor :) Sep 01 15:16:52 halfhalo: thanks again I found it. Sep 01 15:44:02 Hey, the official BT keyboard for the TP doesn't seem to have it's arrow keys working with flash games and no keys work when the flash game is in full-screen mode. Would there be any way to patch this? Sep 01 15:44:41 I assume it's the same for all BT keyboards, but I only have the one so I can't really test that out. Sep 01 15:45:10 Would open up the TP to significantly more Flash games (ie. Newgrounds). Sep 01 15:46:06 Link2999, I have to run off to work soon, but I do have a generic BT keyboard I can test with, just has to wait till I get home tonight Sep 01 15:46:40 Sounds good, I'm just hoping we can patch this thing. Sep 01 15:46:57 Or maybe HP could fix it in the next update Sep 01 15:48:00 The backspace doesn't work all to great either on it, holding it down deletes whole words and not individual letters. In Open Office holding it only deletes the last letter. Sep 01 15:48:06 they are pretty good about noting issues that customers/developers report to them. not always a fast time line for fixing them, but they take note Sep 01 15:48:27 Open office? from a chroot? Sep 01 15:48:42 Nah, the presinstalled one Sep 01 15:48:49 Whatever it's called Sep 01 15:49:27 Where's the email for sending in bug / feature reports? Couldn't find it on the WebOS blog. Sep 01 15:50:07 this is the place for patches and things... but for HP stuff I suggest asking in #webos Sep 01 15:50:33 AND... the people in here that would know tend to be sleeping or working at this time of day Sep 01 15:51:00 I figured it was a little early xD Sep 01 15:51:15 work time. /me vanishes Sep 01 15:51:24 /bye Sep 01 15:54:21 do developer devices come with a warranty? Sep 01 15:58:34 Does a frankenpre comm board have to be activated prior? I dont understand the logic behind it Sep 01 16:31:21 Well, it seems my brand new Pre 3 will be forever locked out of the app catalogue :( Sep 01 16:43:51 Does anyone know how to find the app id of the apps in the catalogue? Sep 01 16:54:24 has anyone reported problems with the 0.8.4 version of Xecutah and Xserver? Sep 01 16:54:46 xserver will not launch through xecutah after i updated to 0.8.4 Sep 01 16:56:16 HattCzech_work: reports i've heard of issues are fixed by unintsalling them and reinstalling. Sep 01 16:56:24 unfortunately i have no idea what causes that, and haven't been able to reproduce Sep 01 16:56:41 okay, i was going to try to look at the logs... should i not? Sep 01 16:58:59 is there a way to speed up the email client? deleting messages sucks.. Sep 01 16:59:53 "sucks" is very broad Sep 01 17:00:07 sorry HattCzech_work Sep 01 17:00:15 slide to delete sorta works first time Sep 01 17:00:19 then if i do another right after Sep 01 17:00:20 it's lagged Sep 01 17:00:26 sometimes doesn't fire at all Sep 01 17:00:27 so i do it again Sep 01 17:00:33 then end up deleting 2 messages on accident Sep 01 17:00:36 i'm at 1.7ghz Sep 01 17:00:48 have the card speed hack enabled Sep 01 17:01:18 i heard there was an issue with swipe to delete... Sep 01 17:01:33 but i'm not sure what the exact issue is or if there is a "fix" for it yet Sep 01 17:02:26 only reference i've seen thus far: http://forums.precentral.net/hp-touchpad/294238-email-glitch.html Sep 01 17:02:31 no replies.. Sep 01 17:03:51 i'm not familiar with that issue, as i don't delete my e-mails very often :) hehe Sep 01 17:11:30 morning Adora Sep 01 17:11:56 I guess I should be more chipper: Good Morning Adora Sep 01 17:12:27 ka6sox-zzzz: you have 'zzzzz' in your name, i think we understand. Sep 01 17:12:37 speaking of which, coffee machine is broken >.< Sep 01 17:12:41 uh oh Sep 01 17:13:05 VFS:Fatal attempt to wakeup without Coffee. Sep 01 17:13:15 rofl Sep 01 17:13:19 lol Sep 01 17:13:25 uNiXpSyChO: I am liking the F4 kernel. Can you tell me about the wifi sleep disable? Sep 01 17:13:45 uNiXpSyChO: thanks very much for your updates to F4 Sep 01 17:13:56 apparently waking up is a filesystem operation? Sep 01 17:14:18 depends. Sep 01 17:14:19 dtzWill: your memory is a filesystem? Sep 01 17:14:24 brain failing to mount? Sep 01 17:14:29 yup Sep 01 17:14:48 switching to tea...more caffiene Sep 01 17:15:06 i'm getting "mount: unknown filesystem type 'ka6sox'" Sep 01 17:15:15 * halfhalo looks at the massive bottle of coke on his desk and is happy Sep 01 17:15:20 but clever re:brain failing to mount xD Sep 01 17:15:48 dtzWill: it's the last of my wit post mounting my own brain Sep 01 17:20:56 ka6sox: Ping. Sep 01 17:22:12 hi want to package a index.html only and run it as app on the TP - does this work ? Sep 01 17:23:40 if you have the other requirements for a package Sep 01 17:25:01 i get it packaged and installed but app doesnt startup ... Sep 01 17:34:37 drobbins: wifi sleep disable is userspace function Sep 01 17:35:19 uNiXpSyChO: so it's built in to webos already? Sep 01 17:36:00 drobbins: yes. you make the change without WiFi prefs. but when power is unplugged the whole unit will try to sleep, but wifi is still on but working in WOL mode Sep 01 17:36:11 s/without/within/g Sep 01 17:36:11 uNiXpSyChO meant: drobbins: yes. you make the change within WiFi prefs. but when power is unplugged the whole unit will try to sleep, but wifi is still on but working in WOL mode Sep 01 17:36:37 uNiXpSyChO: so what did you do with F4 and wifi sleep disable? Sep 01 17:37:16 uNiXpSyChO: I see it under the menu Sep 01 17:38:29 drobbins: nothing. F4 had problemes with wifi coming out of sleep when wifi was set to "Sleep while screen off" Sep 01 17:39:09 "sleep while screen off" == "when device sleeps: turn wifi off" ? Sep 01 17:39:34 correct. Sep 01 17:39:54 ok Sep 01 17:40:45 wifi will always go into low power mode when the device sleeps Sep 01 17:40:53 of just plain off if set that way. Sep 01 17:40:56 and sleeps = screen off? Sep 01 17:40:58 s/of/or/g Sep 01 17:40:59 uNiXpSyChO meant: or just plain orf if set that way. Sep 01 17:41:18 the device will try to sleep when the screen is off, yes. Sep 01 17:41:36 uNiXpSyChO: only when not plugged in? Sep 01 17:41:43 uNiXpSyChO: or always Sep 01 17:41:52 either way, when it is unplugged wifi works in low power mode Sep 01 17:42:03 good to know! :) Sep 01 17:42:04 ok Sep 01 17:42:19 so setting up exhibition mode is a good way to keep performance and wifi decnt Sep 01 17:42:42 exhibition modes comes with other problems like memory leaks from what i heard. Sep 01 17:44:32 uNiXpSyChO: I imagine there is some way to disable sleep? Sep 01 17:44:37 the only way I keep it from happening is to stream audio from a source. Sep 01 17:44:40 uNiXpSyChO: bbiab, if you have pointers let me know. Sep 01 17:44:44 ka6sox: really? Sep 01 17:44:50 that is possible. Sep 01 17:45:02 they should call it the "sleepy touchpad" Sep 01 17:45:08 or the "sleeppad" Sep 01 17:45:12 its UBE (Ugly But Effective) Sep 01 17:45:23 hi Sep 01 17:45:32 hiya noradtux Sep 01 17:45:39 1.7GHz is nice uNiXpSyChO, thanks Sep 01 17:45:52 uNiXpSyChO: any reports of issues with some touchpads at certain overlock settings? Sep 01 17:48:26 some devices cant handle higher speeds. 1.7 is the safest. some are using 1.8, most cant. Sep 01 17:48:54 yeah... only one of mine will run at 1.9. the rest only hit 1.8 Sep 01 17:49:56 Hmm... Here's an oddball question. Anyone else been having issues signing in/creating profiles over the last day or so? Sep 01 17:50:30 I finished a Verizon franken-Pre2 last night, and it runs excellent. Calls work, data works, wifi works, all the magic... Except for profiles. Sep 01 17:50:40 Whats wrong with the profile Sep 01 17:51:05 Dunno. Trying to log in or create a profile ends with a vague "Unable to sign you in" message. Sep 01 17:51:20 I've tried 3 profiles, same thing. Can't create a new one either Sep 01 17:52:52 I'm going to try via Impostah later today, but I wanted to check to see if it was an issue on Palm's end before I bothered. Sep 01 17:53:29 Odd thing is that even if you enter a complete nonsense password (like, uuuuuuuuuuuu) it won't say that it's the incorrect password, it'll just give the same "Unable to sign you in" message Sep 01 17:59:58 do you have an evdo icon, sine0t? Sep 01 18:00:33 if not, you might try changing the radio settings. Sep 01 18:00:37 bradmeister1: yup. Data works fine if I bypass the profile log in Sep 01 18:00:46 Tried over EVDO and wifi, same thing either way Sep 01 18:01:06 ohh now it works but no scrolling ...mhh Sep 01 18:01:22 It might be hp, then Sep 01 18:01:25 for all intents and purposes the phone works fine. Calls, texts, data, blah blah blah. Just no profiles Sep 01 18:01:44 That's what I was worried about Sep 01 18:01:46 I logged in last night and it took 2-3 attempts to get it to download my profile Sep 01 18:02:10 Without a profile it seems to be acting weird with regards to texts... Keeps locking the conversations and saying that you're unable to send or receive more messages Sep 01 18:02:19 (despite being able to send and receive messages) Sep 01 18:02:46 That's weird. Sep 01 18:03:13 Maybe, just try signing in later. Sep 01 18:03:41 I bet HP is having load issues with their servers Sep 01 18:03:52 all these new tp users Sep 01 18:04:05 Yeah... I tried last night probably about 20 times, and another 10 this morning Sep 01 18:04:46 We had it log in fine once last night but then it stalled on boot and sat at the non-flashing HP logo for half an hour so I redoctored and haven't had anything go since Sep 01 18:06:27 could it be the dr? Sep 01 18:06:37 have you tried building a new one? Sep 01 18:07:26 bradmeister1: twice :I Sep 01 18:07:38 I'll give it a third shot later today when I get back home Sep 01 18:07:47 Good luck Sep 01 18:08:10 Has anyone seen SMS issues on a sprint pre 2? Sep 01 18:08:39 IE, I can't send or recieve text messages. Sep 01 18:08:59 bradmeister1: thanks. I'm hoping that it works well, since I don't want to have to swap them BACK around to see if it works that way Sep 01 18:10:05 I might try logging in to the profile via Impostah (you can do that, right?) Sep 01 18:10:36 yes Sep 01 18:10:58 I'll give that a shot then too Sep 01 18:11:33 pcworld? Sep 01 18:11:38 you have seen this? Sep 01 18:12:06 seen what? Sep 01 18:12:20 nevermind, I thought you were talking to me Sep 01 18:12:31 sorry Sep 01 18:13:07 I meant you can login to a Palm Profile via Impostah ;) Sep 01 18:14:04 pcworld: think it would log in, even if the official login won't work? :P Sep 01 18:14:52 don't know, at least you should get an error number :D Sep 01 18:15:37 much more helpful than what the official way gives! "Unable to sign you in, please visit palm.com/support for help with this issue" Sep 01 18:16:56 did you visit it? ;) Sep 01 18:17:02 (just kidding) Sep 01 18:17:21 pcworld: yes :p Sep 01 18:18:46 This is what they say, haha. Sep 01 18:18:48 "Server problem: When the server cannot create an HP webOS Account due to an outage or other interruption, a link to hpwebos.com/support and an error message appear. After the wireless network connection is restored, wait a few minutes, select Back, and try again." Sep 01 18:19:03 Except the error message is "Unable to sign you in" Sep 01 18:19:23 :D Sep 01 18:19:37 which is really obvious, given it doesn't sign you in P: Sep 01 18:21:23 Does Webos 2.1 work with the touchpad to allow it to receive txt mssgs and phone calls? Or fo you need 2.2? Sep 01 18:21:48 2.2 is required from my understanding Sep 01 18:21:56 for phone calls. the TP acts as a car phone Sep 01 18:22:12 and that should work with 1.4.5 Sep 01 18:22:55 Dam, I was going to take the plunge and update my Pre- to 2.1 but w/o the TP connectivity it just isn't worth the hassle for me Sep 01 18:22:59 thanks Sep 01 18:24:41 2.2....? Sep 01 18:26:24 RavenII: webOS 2.2 is the shipping version on the Pre3 Sep 01 18:26:42 I think the plan was to also release it for the Pre2 and Veer but... That's kind of up in the air, I suppose! Sep 01 18:27:17 hey all, i have some questions about the metadoctor/ext3 process Sep 01 18:27:36 i probably just messed up my touchpad because i didn't know what i was doing :-P Sep 01 18:30:15 uNiXpSyChO: good to know re: 1.7 and 1.8. Thanks. Sep 01 18:32:23 what does webOS Doctor do to my device if I asked for an 8GB ext3 partition, but there's not 8GB free on my vfat partition? :-D Sep 01 18:34:11 note: F4 has ata over ethernet. If you are geek, you can probably set it up. Network-based disk volumes that are pretty fast (if you keep the screen on ) :) Sep 01 18:37:08 malexmedia: nothing good, why? Sep 01 18:37:20 that may have happened Sep 01 18:37:23 :-P Sep 01 18:37:47 i doctor'd it and it appeared to go okay Sep 01 18:38:03 but upon reboot and re-login to webos account, most of my apps wouldn't download Sep 01 18:38:25 at least you were able to login! :U Sep 01 18:38:35 so i put it in drive mode and cleaned out a LOT of music Sep 01 18:38:41 freeing up 10GB of space Sep 01 18:38:56 and it *seems* to be functioning normally now Sep 01 18:39:12 but this experience has lead me to all sorts of questions Sep 01 18:40:11 like... if it tried to resize the vfat volume but didn't have enough space, did it fail? or corrupt the volume? Sep 01 18:40:43 if all of the apps are being stored on that /media/internal volume, why do they all need to be redownloaded after the webOS doctor run? Sep 01 18:42:03 the apps aren't stored on /media/internal Sep 01 18:42:20 they're stored on the cryptofs that's backed by /media/internal though Sep 01 18:42:42 like a loopback-mounted image? Sep 01 18:42:46 yeah Sep 01 18:42:51 sort-of, yea Sep 01 18:42:54 it's recreated after a flash Sep 01 18:43:06 and the generic restore is run. same as if it was a new device. hence app restore Sep 01 18:43:07 presumably because keys changed? Sep 01 18:43:25 hmm Sep 01 18:43:47 i need to understand better the overall storage layout for this thing Sep 01 18:43:54 more to keep app partition conceptually seperated from media storage. but also to provide resiliency against key changes Sep 01 18:44:09 app restore could be on a different device (lost device, etc) Sep 01 18:45:08 /media/cryptofs is backed by /media/internal/.palm Sep 01 18:45:23 so don't touch the stuff in there Sep 01 18:45:28 treat them as distinct partitions as they could very well be at some point. but yes the crypted files resides in /media/internal currently Sep 01 18:45:43 OKAY Sep 01 18:45:44 er Sep 01 18:45:46 oops Sep 01 18:46:29 ok :-P ... so following another trail of thought, how might i go about validating the integrity of my volumes? Sep 01 18:47:13 for read-only volumes you could compare against the contents of the doctor image Sep 01 18:47:31 for r/w volumes you're mostly out of luck unless you have a backup image Sep 01 18:47:52 the volume itself may be intact but if contents (e.g. files) are corrupted it's going to be hard to tell Sep 01 18:48:43 but wipe and restore should clear out any corruption from normal use. if you were messing around with the r/o volumes you'll need to doctor again Sep 01 18:48:43 right Sep 01 18:49:09 well, it seems like some of my preware patches *may* still be applied Sep 01 18:49:24 but preware doesn't remember them being instaled :-\ Sep 01 18:49:24 sounds like you should just doctor it Sep 01 18:49:35 wipe the whole thing, start anew Sep 01 18:50:23 yeahhhhhhhh.... that's a pain, but i'm beginning to agree Sep 01 18:50:29 for the palm packages Sep 01 18:50:41 you can look at the *.md5sum files in /usr/lib/ipkg/info/ Sep 01 18:50:58 something like... Sep 01 18:51:01 root@mojo:/# md5sum -c usr/lib/ipkg/info/zlib.md5sums Sep 01 18:51:01 ./usr/lib/libz.so.1.2.3: OK Sep 01 18:51:09 but I'm not certain if that covers everything Sep 01 18:51:55 webos in the house Sep 01 18:52:56 i wonder how hard it would be to do a fsck.vfat on the volume Sep 01 18:53:46 well, like you said, it's probably easiest to just doctor it again Sep 01 18:53:59 lemme see if there's a metadoctor option to utterly wipe everything Sep 01 18:57:31 wipe options are built into the device under the device info app/control Sep 01 18:58:38 uNiXpSyChO: what's the best way to add swap to the touchpad? I've created a loopback and "mkswap" and "swapon" the loop dev but should I be using compressed swap instead? Sep 01 18:59:34 I thought you could add files directly, without using loopbacks Sep 01 18:59:51 has anyone pondered building a "send to" web service that applications can register with? Sep 01 19:00:17 dwc-: well the swap needs to be backed on some kind of storage, right? or are you talking about repartitioning to free up some space for swap? Sep 01 19:00:45 maybe I'm thinking of other unix-os's that can use files directly Sep 01 19:01:02 I thought you could just swapon /some/random/contiguous/file Sep 01 19:01:11 swap can be file Sep 01 19:01:34 ah ok Sep 01 19:01:38 so no loopback needed. Sep 01 19:03:41 doesn't really save you much, but maybe a bit of complexity Sep 01 19:03:58 yep, wonder if it uses loopback anyway Sep 01 19:10:28 http://www.funtoo.org/wiki/HP_TouchPad Sep 01 19:10:42 starting to get some extended tutorial-style docs, starting with gentoo on touchpad. Sep 01 19:16:31 thought I'd post docs so people can play - I have limited time for the next few days Sep 01 19:16:47 it's a wiki, feel free to create an account and edit if you have contributions. Sep 01 19:17:06 drobbins, thanks...will look when I have a spare moment Sep 01 19:22:29 which of the experimental kernels in preware is the latest? Sep 01 19:22:40 they're all based on codenames :-P Sep 01 19:22:45 I think F4 Sep 01 19:23:18 I am using F4 and it had some stuff uNiXpSyChO added what wasn't in F15A or whatever it's called :) Sep 01 19:24:35 okay cool Sep 01 19:24:36 thanks Sep 01 19:27:51 is there a ssh client for the touchpad? Sep 01 19:27:57 i'm having a hell of a time finding one xD Sep 01 19:32:28 http://www.dragonarmydropout.me/2011/08/getting-terminal-onto-your-touchpad.html Sep 01 19:41:32 Termina: yes! search Preware for OpenSSH Sep 01 19:42:25 On the TouchPad, you'll also need to have Xecutah, XServer, and XTerm. Sep 01 19:43:53 Worked like a charm, thanks! Sep 01 19:44:00 also, lol @ xserver Sep 01 19:49:02 No problem! If you find webos-internals useful, just donate! Sep 01 20:08:44 w00t w00t! Sep 01 20:08:50 love my touchpad and debugging on it :) Sep 01 20:09:09 * Atomic|wIRC is on from the TP Sep 01 20:09:19 Using bluetooth keyboard Sep 01 20:18:46 needs mouse support ;) Sep 01 20:21:31 luna needs better keyboard support Sep 01 20:22:47 like, I can hit the cards key to get into card view, but the arrows don't work Sep 01 20:30:41 dwc-: very very much agreed :/ Sep 01 20:30:50 seems like such an easy thing to sit down and add if we had the luna source :( Sep 01 20:33:18 as far as I'm concerned, all it seems useful for is typing messages. at which point, I don't need their keyboard... I might as well use a regular one and have all the keyboard mappings Sep 01 20:56:22 boredom :) Sep 01 20:56:24 mentioned this before, but we really need a generic "send to" api Sep 01 20:56:48 so that apps like paper machine (and others) can register and apps can be written for it Sep 01 20:56:53 paper mache Sep 01 20:56:55 before i waste my time. I had a plan to write a term app. that doesnt need x. i saw some warning about security. is this the reason X is needed? :) Sep 01 20:58:55 I think I found a typo in the app-launcher code in MainView.js Sep 01 20:59:16 well it /is/ a typo, but not sure if that code is even used Sep 01 20:59:33 don't they do basic sanity checks on their javascript? Sep 01 21:00:34 considering they didn't figure out logging needed to be disabled... :/ Sep 01 21:00:41 serach for search, happens to most devs Sep 01 21:01:38 serach is a name from the bible Sep 01 21:01:49 Mentioned this this morning, but the Official BT keyboard's arrow keys don't work when playing flash games and none of the keys work when playing in full screen. Unsure if it is just the official keyboard or something that could be fixed with a patch or update. Sep 01 21:03:13 Would open up the TP to nearly all flash games if we could just get those darn arrow keys working :\ Sep 01 21:05:32 getNextFocusableMessage in com.palm.app.email/mail/source needs to be fixed to ignore deletion Sep 01 21:05:47 they move focus wrong way on deletion Sep 01 21:06:18 hey all: does flash audio stop working when you lock the device? Sep 01 21:06:21 return (isDeletion) ? (prev || next) : (next || prev); -> return (next || prev); Sep 01 21:10:01 http://forums.precentral.net/hp-touchpad/296358-fix-next-message-email-deletion.html#post3124805 for the patch Sep 01 21:11:43 I dunno, I read mail older -> newer Sep 01 21:11:50 so you scroll all the way down? Sep 01 21:12:11 well, I don't get tons of mail between readings... I look at important stuff on my phone Sep 01 21:12:17 so I don't scroll all the way down Sep 01 21:12:25 also, I usually open them and read them Sep 01 21:12:30 the email app needs a few features Sep 01 21:12:31 before deleting Sep 01 21:12:33 1) filter out read email Sep 01 21:12:35 the email app needs a lot of features Sep 01 21:12:39 2) sort ability Sep 01 21:12:42 0) send plaintext email Sep 01 21:12:52 it doesn't send plain text? Sep 01 21:13:07 whoa Sep 01 21:13:08 you're righ Sep 01 21:13:25 not even a plain text part Sep 01 21:13:40 also, I haven't set up mail on my touchpad yet Sep 01 21:13:49 but, there is a sort in webos2 Sep 01 21:13:56 yea Sep 01 21:14:07 comment around the code that I patched mentioned that it was removed Sep 01 21:14:20 I just get lots of emails from deal sites Sep 01 21:14:28 and I iterate through them via delete mostly Sep 01 21:14:34 marking some of unread if I want to get back to them Sep 01 21:14:47 and so I always start the newest Sep 01 21:15:01 oh Sep 01 21:15:03 but, that meant that every delete would iterate up to one I already saw Sep 01 21:15:08 I get those on an account I don't check on my phone Sep 01 21:15:26 really annoyed me Sep 01 21:15:28 but now patched Sep 01 21:15:28 and I just open them and use the d key Sep 01 21:15:49 I bet other people would like that patch Sep 01 21:15:57 it was a really simple one Sep 01 21:16:07 though probably better to be tweakable Sep 01 21:17:25 what I really want webos now to have is a registrable "send to" menu (email, sms are built ins, but shouldnt need to patch every app for every app that wants to provide this) Sep 01 21:17:44 unfort, I dont really know how to go about doing that on webos Sep 01 21:27:35 is TP big or little endian? Sep 01 21:29:58 cyclic: LE Sep 01 21:30:25 is there anyone who knows how to start the first use app on the pre 3? when in dev mode? Sep 01 21:30:52 from "desktop".. i have devmode ofc Sep 01 21:31:43 i found a way on the internals wiki to start up notes with the luna send command, wouldn't it be possible to do the same for firstuse? Sep 01 21:33:09 any idea how to fix the wobbly USB cable? Mine looks to be bent already :| Sep 01 21:35:16 they are cheap to buy :) Sep 01 21:35:44 I'm afraid it might be the hole Sep 01 21:39:49 i can't imagine any good way to fix that :/ Sep 01 21:42:01 hey, anyone know where the colors are mapped for xserv? Sep 01 21:42:08 luwangui: try the gesture tutorial app Sep 01 21:42:17 like an xorg.conf or something? Sep 01 21:51:08 cyclic, I'll bet you used the touchpad with it plugged in? Sep 01 21:51:17 I bent mine that way Sep 01 21:51:24 too heavy for it to be used plugged in Sep 01 21:53:31 err, I use the TP plugged in... I just don't rest it on the plug... that'd be awkward Sep 01 21:58:29 dwc-, if you ever put it down, or it slips, it will bend easily Sep 01 21:58:46 That hole is very tight. Sep 01 21:59:14 You have to angle it just right for the plug to slide in. Sep 01 22:04:40 morning Sep 01 22:06:32 elpollodiablo1: just create a wiki page anywhere and link it in somewhere appropriate Sep 01 22:07:58 any idea when we might have copy paste with xterm? Sep 01 22:08:51 cyclic, the git is open to all to contribute :D Sep 01 22:09:14 hehe Sep 01 22:09:22 is there any way to modify the keyboard? Sep 01 22:09:37 the keys on it etc Sep 01 22:10:25 for what events? Sep 01 22:10:35 ctrl key Sep 01 22:10:40 arrow keys Sep 01 22:11:07 cyclic, the BT keyboard supports that. Sep 01 22:11:13 BT? Sep 01 22:11:18 bluetooth Sep 01 22:11:20 haha I don't want a BlueTooth Sep 01 22:11:39 this is for working on the tablet on the bus and stuff Sep 01 22:11:49 you can make one and submit it :D Sep 01 22:12:23 but would it work? Sep 01 22:12:33 I mean, is it something that LunaManager owns? Sep 01 22:12:39 ask dtzWill Sep 01 22:12:51 luwangui: for Pre 3, all you need is #*DEVMODE# and Impostah Sep 01 22:13:27 cyclic: there is a wiki page which shows the binary edits required to LunaSysMgr to edit the keyboard Sep 01 22:14:08 rwhitby: I saw that ... actually for changing key mappings. I wasn't sure how to change to a totally new keyboard UI though Sep 01 22:14:34 although, I could have glazed over that bit Sep 01 22:19:54 I used the 'dd' command to make the .img for my chroot, and I have some optware from Preware installed Sep 01 22:20:48 it seems the /media/ext3fs entry in my /etc/fstab does not mount it at boot https://www.box.net/shared/mcd6n03vx5cu9dyykiut Sep 01 22:21:25 that looks mounted to me Sep 01 22:21:44 dwc-: after i typed in mount -a Sep 01 22:22:26 look in your system logs to see what happened Sep 01 22:22:38 and post your fstab Sep 01 22:22:52 then /opt became 'lost+found' and ubuntu-natty-chroot appeared? Sep 01 22:24:00 rwhitby: I have tried multiple times Sep 01 22:24:07 dwc-: fstab http://pastebin.com/W3NjxWmu Sep 01 22:24:12 sethron: if you have an ext3fs, optware will be mounted from inside there Sep 01 22:24:20 where does X get it's color mappings for chrooted version? Sep 01 22:24:22 luwangui: what instructions are you following? Sep 01 22:24:36 rwhitby:it seems there was a shortage on the servers last night Sep 01 22:24:43 # Sep 01 22:24:51 /media/cryptofs/ubuntu.img /media/ext3fs ext3 loop 0 0 Sep 01 22:24:54 cyclic: no time soon AFAIK. I don't know that it's known how to get at copy/paste buffer from a PDK app Sep 01 22:25:05 rwhitby:http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/281075-global-paid-app-catalog-access-new-unlocked-gsm-pre-2-pre-3-veer-using-impostah.html (sorry for spam) Sep 01 22:25:08 if I had to guess, cryptofs wasn't available at boot time Sep 01 22:25:12 conceivably we had some special app or service or something?? that helped with that? but that isn't anything i've looked into Sep 01 22:25:12 rwhitby: yes, optware, lighttd and SFTP are functioning within normal parameters Sep 01 22:25:22 ok Sep 01 22:25:27 your logs would show the truth of that guess though Sep 01 22:25:38 cyclic: there is no such thing as color mappings per se, we use values from tweaks to set arguments to xterm in the xterm package Sep 01 22:25:54 the others could be trivially configured to do the same, but since most people just use those to launch /other/ things it hasn't been done yet. Sep 01 22:26:21 rwhitby:i'm in the process of doing the full erase again. i think the problem is with the account that i created with the local sim card without impostah :( Sep 01 22:26:59 * dtzWill runs off for the evening Sep 01 22:27:11 checkout these color mappings https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/H1WaKgANn_OWZiS4dRC0MA?feat=directlink Sep 01 22:27:57 oh you use the values from tweaks in the compiled code for xterm? Sep 01 22:28:49 cyclic: oh oh you actually meant color mappings Sep 01 22:28:50 uhhh Sep 01 22:28:51 well Sep 01 22:28:58 internet explorer? Sep 01 22:29:00 i don't know anything about hwo that's configured normally Sep 01 22:29:05 lol Sep 01 22:29:17 cyclic: if you're seeing strangeness in vnc/etc it's progbably b/c of the available visuals Sep 01 22:29:25 Speaking with a palm tech supporter, it seemed that the palm account servers had been having issues this morning and yesterday Sep 01 22:29:32 but like i said i don't know a whooole lot about the way colors are mapped Sep 01 22:29:40 first time i've ported an x server ;) Sep 01 22:29:56 dwc-: the last line of my fstab is useless? Sep 01 22:29:59 dtzWill: it appears it's only for the app I'm using "VNCish" Sep 01 22:30:10 not vnc Sep 01 22:30:21 sethron: perhaps. you'd have to verify my guess with some log error I'd guess Sep 01 22:30:40 if my guess is right, then yes, that fstab entry will not mount it at boot time Sep 01 22:31:09 but, it's not totally useless... mount -a is shorter to type than mount -o loop ... etc Sep 01 22:31:31 dtzWill: and you have done an amazing job :) Sep 01 22:31:46 dwc-: ah, yes Sep 01 22:32:12 mmm, color maps. Sep 01 22:32:48 * dwc- thinks back to running netscape on low-color displays in X and having the color palette of the whole display change, as windows change focus Sep 01 22:34:32 dwc-: cryptofs is not available at boot Sep 01 22:34:43 dwc-: that is why optware mounts in an upstart script Sep 01 22:35:15 rwhitby, I think webos (and touchpad in particular) need a send to api, thoughts? Sep 01 22:35:22 so that apps can register support Sep 01 22:35:29 spotter: villo Sep 01 22:35:37 oh, you mean a menu Sep 01 22:35:37 villo? Sep 01 22:35:48 villo is a send message to device api Sep 01 22:35:52 no Sep 01 22:35:55 I mean like paper mache Sep 01 22:35:59 you want a pluggable Send To menu Sep 01 22:36:03 yes Sep 01 22:36:09 or offline browser Sep 01 22:36:34 spotter: BTW, do you own http://www.dragonarmydropout.me/2011/08/getting-terminal-onto-your-touchpad.html ? Sep 01 22:36:42 no Sep 01 22:36:43 not me Sep 01 22:36:57 I posted it Sep 01 22:37:01 because someone asked about ssh Sep 01 22:37:04 ok, they give details of testing feeds without the rules. incredibly irresponsible. Sep 01 22:37:44 probably better then for the testing feed to be intergrated into preware but come with a big warning when you activate it Sep 01 22:38:48 or for preware to be extended to be able to handle some sort of repository file format so people can just be directed to the file and have it automatically integrated into preware Sep 01 22:39:02 but along with the file format, could be text that would be displayed that for testing can say "DANGER WILL ROBINSON" Sep 01 22:39:23 I think these would avoid that problem Sep 01 22:39:34 as you would be able to get the message to end user that you wnat Sep 01 22:39:45 just my 2 cents Sep 01 22:39:54 spotter: or people writing articles could just link to official wiki pages instead of irresponsibly copying the information. Sep 01 22:40:04 rwhitby: that's what i suspected re: cryptofs Sep 01 22:40:10 rwhitby, you can't control other people Sep 01 22:40:17 but you can make it so that their actions dont matter Sep 01 22:40:31 spotter: Preware does give a warning when you add a custom feed, so we're covered that way. Sep 01 22:40:47 it ads a warning, but its generic Sep 01 22:40:59 btw rwhitby, who on the webosinternals team is responsible for the "remove untrusted ssl certificates" patch? Sep 01 22:41:14 dwc-: @warthogkernel Sep 01 22:41:26 does that remove untrusted ssl certs basically break eveyrone who has a personal imap server and ssl? Sep 01 22:41:40 rwhitby: thanks. who's that on irc? Sep 01 22:41:42 (and its so annoying that webos still can't handle this!) Sep 01 22:42:04 spotter: no, it currently does nothing, but suggests that it removes the diginot root cert Sep 01 22:42:25 dwc-: jhojho Sep 01 22:42:27 oh Sep 01 22:42:37 rwhitby: thanks Sep 01 22:44:26 rwhitby, I dont know how to turn this into a patch for preware, know anyone who can convert it? http://forums.precentral.net/hp-touchpad/296358-fix-next-message-email-deletion.html#post3124805 Sep 01 23:04:53 spotter: diff -u rooted at / submit to http://patches.webos-internals.org/ Sep 01 23:05:33 rwhitby, that not so easy for patches that touch multiple files Sep 01 23:05:49 sure it is. a patch is just a cat of diffs. Sep 01 23:05:55 its annoying Sep 01 23:06:01 I guess I could cp -r the old Sep 01 23:06:06 and just diff -ru it Sep 01 23:07:02 there are many ways to create patches of multiple files. it's a well-known Linux/Unix software development technique. Sep 01 23:09:14 Hey Fellas. Random, anyway to get past the webos 2.1 on unlocked pre2 SIM screen without doing the devmode first? Sep 01 23:09:45 I dont have a sim, so I can go into dev mode, and then get in, but no way to use my apps/download anything from the catalog Sep 01 23:10:06 Tried the impostah change palm account stuff, can then view the catalog, but cant get anything to download Sep 01 23:18:41 you need to be signed into a palm profile to download stuff Sep 01 23:18:52 I know Sep 01 23:19:09 thats why im trying to get around having to use devmode to bypass activation Sep 01 23:19:26 you need to do full erase Sep 01 23:19:34 and then log in with account you created with impostah Sep 01 23:20:02 Im in the US Sep 01 23:20:16 So im just trying to get my existing acct Sep 01 23:20:33 My issue is that without a sim card, the gsm pre wont let you get onto wifi to login Sep 01 23:20:33 you can't login with your existing account? Sep 01 23:21:05 I have to use #* to get to the dialer and use dev mode to bypass that activation steps Sep 01 23:21:20 but then its stuck on that stupid 'dr skipped first use' palm profile Sep 01 23:21:53 I used impostah to try and activate, and even replace the palm profile with my actual one, and the dr skipped first use thing seems to go away, but then I cant download Sep 01 23:22:18 It looks as if I have no palm profile, Sep 01 23:22:33 I tried to use impostah to force one, but it doesnt 'take' in the accounts list Sep 01 23:22:43 yeah i noticed too Sep 01 23:22:45 you need the first use app Sep 01 23:23:08 i've been trying to launch it from the novacom terminal as well, without luck Sep 01 23:23:30 So there is a way to activate the first use in 2.1? Sep 01 23:23:50 not that i know Sep 01 23:24:03 but i've been trying, without much luck Sep 01 23:24:13 no need to. Use Impostah to create the first test profile to set the activation country, and then do an erase data and apps and login as normal to your real profile. Sep 01 23:24:14 Where is the first use app file? Sep 01 23:24:28 he can't, he needs to do it with wifi Sep 01 23:24:50 Ron, I dont have a sim card, so I get that stupid 'no sim card' blocking screen and cant get past it Sep 01 23:24:56 can I bypass that in any way? Sep 01 23:27:14 i wouldn't know how Sep 01 23:31:36 Is there any way to meta doctor it to keep a wifi profile in memory so that It will connect on boot up and get around that? Sep 01 23:31:55 I thought we were able to do that a long time ago on 1.x.x roms. I know 2.x changed a lot though :( Sep 01 23:32:22 you can't meta doctor, because the doctor hasn't been released Sep 01 23:32:34 The gsm pre2 2.1 doctor? Sep 01 23:32:42 im using a pre2 not a pre3 Sep 01 23:32:51 oh Sep 01 23:32:58 then i guess you could meta doctor Sep 01 23:33:04 sorry, i thought it was the pre 3 Sep 01 23:33:40 i haven't tried it with the pre2, only pre 1 Sep 01 23:35:52 I cant find the instructions for it online though Sep 01 23:35:55 Did they get moved? Sep 01 23:36:02 Been a while since i used it Sep 01 23:36:14 And is there an option to disable the 'no-sim' crap? Sep 01 23:37:22 gtkansan_home: there's a patch to turn the phone radio off all the time, I've used that in the past Sep 01 23:39:09 But what i mean is, on first boot, if you dont have a SIM in the phone, a special blocking screen jumps up saying you MUST have a sim in to activate or sign into your profile Sep 01 23:39:25 ON cdma their isnt such a thing, and so Ive been able to just use wifi before Sep 01 23:39:32 on GSM I have never done it, Sep 01 23:39:55 gtkansan_home: oh! a metadoctor with the -wifi-only flag will fix that right up by bypassing the initial activation and profile creation Sep 01 23:40:14 gtkansan_home: although tracking down a sim card from the US and activating it proper at least once is a nice thing to do Sep 01 23:40:25 i would think so too Sep 01 23:40:42 although I think you can get around that with Impostah now! Sep 01 23:40:51 Im trying Sep 01 23:41:00 I want to be able to use my profile though... Sep 01 23:41:04 is there a simple way to reset the lvm's on the hp touchpad using recovery? Sep 01 23:41:07 But not positive. I just borrowed a prepaid T-mo sim for all of 5 minutes Sep 01 23:41:18 gtkansan_home: the wifi only method adds a bypass to still log in to a profile Sep 01 23:41:21 i did the other day, but now I dont have one on me Sep 01 23:41:22 I tried reflashing 3.0.2 and the lvms I had set before were still there. Sep 01 23:41:33 sineot: us tmo sim... did that give you paid apps? Sep 01 23:42:58 dwc-: yes, it did Sep 01 23:43:00 Well ill give it a try Sep 01 23:43:05 back to linux mode. Thanks Sep 01 23:43:38 oh.. I've been telling my friends when I give them the pre2s to borrow an AT&T sim Sep 01 23:43:45 because I wasn't sure Sep 01 23:44:04 Well ill try it and let you know Sep 01 23:44:05 dwc-: that's the easy way, but at least according to Impostah using a US based T-mo sim allows paid app catalog access Sep 01 23:44:09 be back in a bit Sep 01 23:45:07 * SineOt rebuilds the franken-Verizon-Pre2 doctor! :B Sep 01 23:46:37 sup everyone Sep 01 23:49:51 bnceo: not much, fiddling with a franken Pre2 again Sep 01 23:50:02 it's awesome once you do it Sep 01 23:50:15 so got a letter from HP saying my Veer and Pre2 GSM have shipped Sep 01 23:52:27 bnceo: yeah, it's running but I've been having issues with Profile Creation/Login Sep 01 23:52:42 weird Sep 01 23:58:16 did anyone else have a problem with webosquick install 4.2 and win7 x64 for an hp touch pad? Sep 02 00:03:59 whoever it was that recommended a clean rebuild of the metadoctor… Thank you. Seems to have done the trick Sep 02 00:04:06 not sure what could have happened there! Sep 02 00:06:39 Guest36474: whats your problem? Sep 02 00:07:18 Guest36474:I've had some problems with the wrong version of java being loaded Sep 02 00:14:02 pre3 doctor! Sep 02 00:14:55 oh nice Sep 02 00:17:33 woohoo... doctor ETA 17s Sep 02 00:17:47 i'm downloading it and i'm not even sure why \o/ Sep 02 00:17:54 * dwc- sucks it down at 8.26MB/s Sep 02 00:18:18 that's faster than my work connection, and I work at an ISP.. Sep 02 00:20:09 apparently the CDN chose well for me Sep 02 00:21:37 funny thing is the "download webos doctor" link in my palm account still says my pre3 has an invalid serial number :p Sep 02 00:21:51 so, now to await a 2.2.0 for pre- frankendoctor! Sep 02 00:21:54 it picked the XO-level3 to go about 6 miles down the road Sep 02 00:22:30 directhex, yep...problems with the palm profile server....2days worth D: Sep 02 00:23:22 now there's a doctor i feel much safer when replacing random libraries on the system with self-built ones Sep 02 00:23:31 I wonder how many Pre3s were actually produced, and how many have/will be sold Sep 02 00:24:03 hm, this doctor has 0-byte cdma and world-phone firmwares Sep 02 00:24:27 its a WR doctor Sep 02 00:25:04 yep. I just like seeing more signs of rumors Sep 02 00:25:19 wr? Sep 02 00:25:30 GSM ROW Sep 02 00:25:44 SineOt: good question. i guess i ended up with something of a rarity ;) Sep 02 00:26:12 directhex: everyone is getting invalid serial Sep 02 00:26:26 vasthegreek got the link via a support call Sep 02 00:26:37 cheapest pre3 i've seen in stock right now is on contract from carphone warehouse for £10.50 a month. get the contract, immediately phone to cancel early, pay the 23 month early termination fee Sep 02 00:27:00 rwhitby-pre: at least it exists. i was starting to wonder how much ongoing support the device was going to get Sep 02 00:31:09 directhex: how much does the ETF end up being? Sep 02 00:44:22 wrea: i think you just need to pay the remaining months on the contract. so 24 months at £10.50 Sep 02 00:44:34 i'd need to check the vodafone t&c Sep 02 00:49:18 heck, just keep paying the £10.50 Sep 02 00:49:25 why cancel Sep 02 00:49:36 then if you're ever in the UK again, you can talk to someone for 100 minutes Sep 02 00:56:52 Blogs need to stop saying that webOS is dead Sep 02 00:57:59 Easy way to stop that - HP releases a TouchPad firmware update. Sep 02 00:58:05 They wont, then they wouldnt get the views Sep 02 00:58:14 which clocks the wifi devices up to 1.5GHz by default. Sep 02 00:58:26 =) Sep 02 01:00:40 does anyone know where the wifi chip is located in the Pre2? is it on the main board, or on the comms board? Sep 02 01:03:45 ah, it's not..! Unfortunately that basically means I can't build a PrePlus out of these parts :< Sep 02 01:12:01 I thought pre+ and pre2 had interchangeable parts? Sep 02 01:12:42 dwc-: they do. The donor Pre+ had flakey wifi Sep 02 01:12:58 (as in, it would pick up MAYBE 2 of the 25+ networks in the area) Sep 02 01:13:11 so for a wifi only device it'd be… well, pretty useless. Sep 02 01:20:37 oh ... Sep 02 01:43:27 what various tweaks are Unix and rod adding to each kernel? I'm trying to make a comparison chart to go along with my benchmarks of what kernel brings what feature to the table Sep 02 01:46:57 ghostinator: what are you using to benchmark Sep 02 01:47:37 I've already benchmarked using nbench and webOS mark as seen on precentral Sep 02 01:48:21 where can I get those? Sep 02 01:49:52 and which one is better Sep 02 01:50:04 click the link in the precentral homepage to go to the thread it'll explain how to get webosmark installed on the touchpad along with installing software and nbench Sep 02 01:50:30 both benchmarks are fine, they measure things differently so thats why I included both Sep 02 01:52:34 gotta update to the latest F15C, be back in a few Sep 02 01:52:44 hey, i'm playing around with the xserver and the ubuntu chroot on my touchpad Sep 02 01:53:01 really enjoying it so far, kudos to everyone (anyone) working on it Sep 02 01:55:41 ghostinator: hey! Sep 02 01:56:44 rwhitby: what's going on? let me reboot real quick and I'll be back Sep 02 01:57:33 drobbins: ping Sep 02 02:01:32 yaaayyY!!! 2.2 doctor Sep 02 02:02:36 2.2 doctor? Sep 02 02:02:42 Pre3 Sep 02 02:02:49 its on the wiki Sep 02 02:02:54 W00t! Sep 02 02:03:14 I'm glad someone came through! Sep 02 02:04:09 Now where is that pre2 meta doctor for 2.2 :p Sep 02 02:04:22 anyone here have a pre 3? Sep 02 02:04:22 lolz Sep 02 02:07:53 ok I'm back Sep 02 02:14:35 Hey Guys. Im back. meta-doctoring 2.1 on GSM pre2 helps me get into system without useing a sim Sep 02 02:14:53 BUt cant trigger first use to login with a palm profile Sep 02 02:14:57 so cant download apps Sep 02 02:15:07 gtkansan_home: use Impostah Sep 02 02:15:58 in 2.x it's absolutely the best way to activate after bypass Sep 02 02:16:44 Ive tried Sep 02 02:16:48 It says im logged in Sep 02 02:16:49 gtkansan_home: FYI if you ever use metadotor to make yourself a doctor that doesn't require a SIM, the best thing is just to embed your wifi settings into the doctor Sep 02 02:16:54 but still cant download Sep 02 02:17:04 I tried embedding my wifi profiles Sep 02 02:17:06 didnt take Sep 02 02:17:08 tried twice Sep 02 02:17:38 wow Sep 02 02:18:23 gtkansan_home: so what went wrong using Impostah, was there an error? Sep 02 02:18:34 i log in with activation scene Sep 02 02:18:36 says success Sep 02 02:18:47 but no matter what, doesnt download any previous settings Sep 02 02:18:51 or show up in the accounts list Sep 02 02:18:56 or allow downloads from the catalog Sep 02 02:19:32 driving me crazy... Sep 02 02:19:43 Im so tired of palm's stupidity with the catalogs and profiles Sep 02 02:19:49 hello everyone. I would like to view the patches. How can I download the patches to my pc to see what they are actually modifying? Sep 02 02:19:49 why oh why is it like this? Sep 02 02:19:49 hey Sep 02 02:20:19 what's the difference between the arm-2009q1 toolchain and arm-2007q3 Sep 02 02:20:21 ? Sep 02 02:20:45 two increments of two numbers? Sep 02 02:20:55 :| Sep 02 02:21:10 if that was the only difference, I wouldn't have asked Sep 02 02:21:38 Anyone have an idea of how I can fix it? Sep 02 02:22:03 gtkansan_home: fix what? Sep 02 02:22:21 to be able to download apps... Sep 02 02:22:55 what's the issue? Sep 02 02:23:15 Logging in with pre2 gsm with no SIM Sep 02 02:23:29 used a bypass first use meta doctor Sep 02 02:23:31 can get in Sep 02 02:23:36 use impostah to activate Sep 02 02:23:42 and still cant download even free apps Sep 02 02:23:48 gtkansan_home: so can you confirm you've done all these steps in order? you don't need a bypass metadoctor btw Sep 02 02:23:50 http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/281075-global-paid-app-catalog-access-new-unlocked-gsm-pre-2-pre-3-veer-using-impostah.html#post2945170 Sep 02 02:24:12 I did that before Sep 02 02:24:14 Doesnt work Sep 02 02:24:17 Twice Sep 02 02:24:36 over wifi? Sep 02 02:25:26 Yes Sep 02 02:25:34 gtkansan_home: that's strange, it works for just about everyone I've heard of trying it. maybe rwhitby has some ideas Sep 02 02:25:40 anyone know how I can download patch code for my own viewing? I'm interested in making patches, but need a place to start lol Sep 02 02:25:44 yeah its really weird Sep 02 02:26:01 gtkansan_home: is your networking definitely working, can you browse the web? Sep 02 02:26:12 ipkg.preware.org kyle__ Sep 02 02:26:26 Yep Sep 02 02:26:32 Browsing works, preware works. Sep 02 02:26:38 Profile shows as active at palm.com Sep 02 02:26:48 But I just checked, cant perform a backup either Sep 02 02:27:14 thank you very much! Sep 02 02:28:57 Its seriously odd Sep 02 02:29:02 gtkansan_home: do you have preware installed? Sep 02 02:29:05 Yes Sep 02 02:29:06 Profiles have been wonky lately Sep 02 02:29:20 and you can get into the terminal over usb? Sep 02 02:29:35 havent tried tog et to terminal Sep 02 02:29:44 mac or pc? Sep 02 02:29:48 I can install apps from webos quick install Sep 02 02:29:53 PC Sep 02 02:30:02 ok so in web os quick install, try opening up a linux command line Sep 02 02:30:09 it's up in the menus Sep 02 02:30:23 Yep Sep 02 02:30:26 in as root Sep 02 02:30:42 k now type: tail -f /var/log/messages Sep 02 02:30:54 see what you get when you try downloading from the tablet Sep 02 02:30:59 it'll feed the errors back in realtime Sep 02 02:31:07 I have to go... be back soon. Sep 02 02:31:32 Tablet? This is a pre2 Sep 02 02:31:35 just fyi Sep 02 02:33:19 There is a LOT of stuff being spit out Sep 02 02:33:23 what am i looking for> Sep 02 02:35:22 is there a good walkthrough on how to install Ubuntu on a TP from windows? I'm having issues with the process ,i've already rooted/got preware on my touchpad but after that I'm stuck Sep 02 02:39:44 So I tried resetting the profile Sep 02 02:39:54 and im back at the damn sim card missing screen Sep 02 02:39:55 BUT Sep 02 02:40:07 im still connected over USb, and it has wifi connectivity Sep 02 02:40:18 any way I can send a command to end that sim card missing screen? Sep 02 02:40:41 the20yrlaptop: which wiki page are you following now? Sep 02 02:46:02 rwhitby, will we possibly see 2.2 coming to Pre2 via Meta-doctor soon? Sep 02 02:46:32 so I want to view the patches. and they are in ipk format. what is the easy way to view what was changed from the original file to the modified? Sep 02 02:46:38 let me get the link Sep 02 02:46:45 github/webosinternals/patches Sep 02 02:46:52 I guess the real question is whether there's a way to create a partition from the device itself, that's where I'm hung up on Sep 02 02:47:38 there is, and it is documented on the official wiki page Sep 02 02:47:58 but you would be advised to do it over novaterm Sep 02 02:48:13 I'm trying but it won't connect to the device Sep 02 02:48:26 least @ home, and i don't have enough time to run novaterm at the office Sep 02 02:48:35 So now that 2.2 is out and about, are we likely to have a port to the pre2? Sep 02 02:50:19 Kyle___, use 7zip to unpack the ipk Sep 02 02:50:21 Is there a way to troubleshoot novaterm not connecting? Sep 02 02:50:37 Deep in the ipk is the original .patch file which can be read with Notepad++ Sep 02 02:51:27 Abyssul: github/webosinternals/patches Sep 02 02:52:00 the20yrlaptop: you'll want a stable novaterm connection before doing anything else. Sep 02 02:52:11 sweet. i tried to open the ipk in notepad++ lol Sep 02 02:52:35 Kyle___: github/webosinternals/patches Sep 02 02:52:42 Is there any guide to troubleshoot as to why novaterm isn't connecting? Sep 02 02:53:07 rwhitby, I'm back now Sep 02 02:59:02 love the promo code on the Sept Pivot issue Sep 02 02:59:14 and it doesn't work. Not valid for this app or version =( **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Sep 02 02:59:57 2011