**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Sep 07 02:59:57 2011 Sep 07 03:39:18 hey guys, any information on how I can debug the a kernel not actually running? Sep 07 03:39:53 I got my build environment setup, kernel built, and I'm doing "novacom boot mem:// < uImage" but the device just seems to ignore this and executes the kernel in flash Sep 07 03:42:02 turbo_, at what moment you're sending that command to the device? Sep 07 03:42:50 It's in mode where it's showing the giant USB logo on the screen, and I can seemingly connect to the bootloader and get battery status etc with novaterm Sep 07 03:43:13 the device is a touchpad if it matters Sep 07 03:43:53 whats the device sitting behind the keyboard Sep 07 03:43:57 a douchepad Sep 07 03:43:59 lol Sep 07 03:47:10 turbo_: you sure? it's probably still booting with the cmdline setup in bootie Sep 07 03:47:16 so it will still boot into webos Sep 07 03:47:57 yes, I would expect it to be booting into webos, just with a test kernel image I built Sep 07 03:48:44 hmm, try novaterm Sep 07 03:48:55 you shoudl be able to get into bootie Sep 07 03:49:03 ] CATALOG Sep 07 03:49:08 geist: damn it Sep 07 03:49:09 ] PR#6 Sep 07 03:49:19 you ported apple basic to it now? Sep 07 03:49:31 heh, no. i already forgot, which prompt is bootie? Sep 07 03:49:36 ] or >? Sep 07 03:49:59 ] Sep 07 03:50:05 ah, forgot to change that Sep 07 03:50:09 i always meant to change it to > Sep 07 03:50:15 since the iboot prompt was ] Sep 07 03:50:26 i think i actually stuffed CATALOG and PR#6 in iboot, not sure it's still there Sep 07 03:50:38 we now know the last iboot easter egg :0 Sep 07 03:51:06 chr(4)? Sep 07 03:51:10 haha Sep 07 03:51:12 miss apple ii Sep 07 03:51:15 that'd have been fun Sep 07 03:51:32 have to use that latent 6502 core for something Sep 07 03:51:33 i've actually got mine set up at home Sep 07 03:51:35 pretty fun Sep 07 03:51:51 really my second machine, learned on commodore Sep 07 03:52:02 got one of those too, but the power supply is gone Sep 07 03:52:08 then took a basic class in apple 2 and had iigs's through school Sep 07 03:52:21 15/9 ac on a weird din I think Sep 07 03:52:21 I can't belive I spent $3500 for a ][ with 2 disk drives, 64k of ram, green screen monitor and serial LP. Sep 07 03:52:34 http://tkgeisel.com/pics/oldcomputers/appleiigs.jpg Sep 07 03:52:37 I can ship one I have more ps's than 64s left at home Sep 07 03:52:39 from last year or so Sep 07 03:52:56 they don't break :) Sep 07 03:53:06 also fun to swign at things Sep 07 03:54:43 heh iboot... I wonder how many hours I the serial interface working there :p Sep 07 03:55:01 s/hours I/hours I spent trying to get/ Sep 07 03:55:01 turbo_ meant: heh iboot... I wonder how many hours I spent trying to get the serial interface working there :p Sep 07 03:56:54 is there some way to use novaterm to get more information back about the boot process and why it's not using the kernel that's being sent with novacom? Sep 07 03:56:57 geist: did you grab yourself a cheap touchpad? Sep 07 03:57:26 turbo_: you can get the klog ? Sep 07 03:57:31 Anyone have an idea why openssh doesn't like to start after i reboot my phone? I can start it manually after boot with 'start mobi.optware.openssh' Sep 07 03:57:50 hmm. /srv/preware/build/staging/armv7/usr/lib/libpanel.so: file not recognized: File format not recognized Sep 07 03:58:22 * turbo_ bpadalino: yep... Sep 07 03:58:27 erm Sep 07 03:58:29 device_command_rx:502: got request: verb 'boot', url 'mem://', argc 0 Sep 07 03:58:29 parse_uimage:238: uimage 0x41000000 Sep 07 03:58:49 turbo_: oh, is your uimage compressed? Sep 07 03:59:31 ah good ol klog Sep 07 03:59:37 tmzt: I'm not sure, I did make uImage and it says "Image Type: ARM Linux Kernel Image (uncompressed)" so I'd assume not but that could just be the header? Sep 07 03:59:45 mkimage -l Sep 07 04:00:06 geist: did you see the bootie commands that the pre3 shipped with ? Sep 07 04:00:07 you aren't using multi? so it's just the kernel uImage? Sep 07 04:00:08 could also be totally fine and it's just not a working kernel image Sep 07 04:00:19 bpadalino: yep, that's a full non-release build Sep 07 04:00:26 geist: nice Sep 07 04:00:41 plus a lot of hardware debug routines, i think they use it nowadays for factory diagnostics Sep 07 04:00:46 so they dont have to make seperate test images, etc Sep 07 04:00:49 tmzt: yeah mkimage is the command that gets run during make uImage and mkimage -l returns the same information that says uncompressed Sep 07 04:00:56 geist: what do you think the chances are that bootie is able to read the PBL ROM code in the top 64 or 128kb of the qualcomm chips ? Sep 07 04:01:08 not a clue Sep 07 04:01:20 i know essentially zero about the new msm chips Sep 07 04:01:27 bpadalino: we have a method to dump that through qdl Sep 07 04:01:36 tmzt: oh yeah? have you been able to get it? Sep 07 04:01:49 the touchpads have a mode when they get into the PBL using power + vol down .. Sep 07 04:01:55 github.com/tmzt/g2root-kmod it's in there somewhere in scotty2's directory Sep 07 04:02:13 but without looking at the ROM, i am not sure i'd know where to start to figure out the comms protocol Sep 07 04:02:14 I don't have a tp and haven't tried qdl stuff myself Sep 07 04:02:28 we are just looking for a non-emmc recovery route (pre bootie) Sep 07 04:03:03 the protocol is a lot like qualcomm dm (diag) Sep 07 04:03:11 but slightly different framing and commands Sep 07 04:03:57 tmzt: yeah - for the tp it's definitely this power + volume down thing .. Sep 07 04:04:31 we aren't 100% sure it's the same mode it's in if you wipe bootie or the other early bootloader partitions Sep 07 04:04:52 in that case, it definately can go into QDL mode (Gobi downloader) **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Sep 07 04:07:21 2011 Sep 07 04:07:59 what does lsusb report in this vol-down mode? Sep 07 04:08:07 QUALCOMM QDLOAD Sep 07 04:08:13 vend/prod? Sep 07 04:08:19 hold Sep 07 04:08:39 there's two, 8008 is bricked (hard qdl), 800e is the one I thnk you are in Sep 07 04:09:10 0x05c6 for vendor, and product is 0x920c Sep 07 04:09:28 hmm Sep 07 04:09:40 sorry I'm misremembering Sep 07 04:09:50 you're allowed to do that :) Sep 07 04:09:53 but I do know there are two different qualcomm ids it can appear as Sep 07 04:10:00 gotcha Sep 07 04:10:26 does the pbl dumper work in this mode? Sep 07 04:10:30 did you find it in that git Sep 07 04:10:38 i did find it here: https://github.com/tmzt/g2root-kmod/blob/master/scotty2/pbl/dumppbl.pl Sep 07 04:10:59 ok Sep 07 04:11:15 i doubt it will work .. the stuff we have had some extra framing in 7e's .. and a crc16 .. Sep 07 04:11:19 try that if you have any questions/issues #g2root and #touchdroid shoudl be able to help Sep 07 04:11:29 so it would go something like 0x7E COMMAND CRC16 0x7E Sep 07 04:11:36 that looks like dm Sep 07 04:11:42 so probably not the pbl mode Sep 07 04:11:48 more like oemsbl Sep 07 04:12:04 ok Sep 07 04:15:30 geist: that picture you posted earlier with the apple looks like there's a TI DSP eval board next to it .. like for a 5510 or something Sep 07 04:15:48 OSK5912 Sep 07 04:15:52 and an atmel arm7 Sep 07 04:16:00 interesting Sep 07 04:16:08 that picture was from 2007 or so Sep 07 04:16:20 though the 5912 is still kind of nice since it has a real ethernet chip on it Sep 07 04:16:25 not something attached to usb Sep 07 04:16:32 you don't mean atmel, do you ? Sep 07 04:16:37 I love the 8168 Sep 07 04:16:39 mmio/isa? Sep 07 04:16:41 osk5912 Sep 07 04:16:46 the atmel has ehternet too Sep 07 04:16:51 but it's a little 64k machine Sep 07 04:16:53 OH! Sep 07 04:16:53 sorry Sep 07 04:17:02 i gotcha Sep 07 04:17:47 neat boards Sep 07 04:17:53 hi, can someone show me how to unset .ipk file association from preware. i do not want preware to launch everytime i click on a .ipk file link url Sep 07 04:18:04 they need more green wire mods tho :) Sep 07 04:18:23 newlem: too late, there's no known way to unset an association :( Sep 07 04:19:03 not even the author? Sep 07 04:20:10 edit database/json? Sep 07 04:21:55 got it working, I guess it was a bad kernel... It was built using the arm2007-q3 toolchain instead of arm-2009q1. Rebuilt with arm-2009q1 and it's working as expected now, thanks. Sep 07 04:22:26 interesting Sep 07 04:24:18 2007-q3 had some quirks Sep 07 04:25:14 just wanted to say awesome work internals team! I'll be donating for sure. This platform is awesome! Sep 07 04:25:29 I thought the doc/post I was following specified the 2007-q3 tools but it may have ben old Sep 07 04:27:44 has anyone here tested different kernel configurations for performance vs power consumption? Sep 07 04:29:31 Only performance but nothing comparing the two Sep 07 04:47:54 has flash been included in the metadoctor yet? if not, is there any particular reason, or just no desire to do it? Sep 07 04:50:19 a number of meta-doctor scripts have flash included Sep 07 04:53:56 i sohuld have been more specific, for the pre pn sprint? Sep 07 04:53:58 rwhitby: is metadoctor destructive or non-destructive to existing partition contents? Sep 07 04:54:24 tmzt: you should assume it is destructive, but for some it is non-destructive Sep 07 04:54:26 It didn't look like it was there the last time I metadoctored, but that was quite a while ago Sep 07 04:54:57 rwhitby: somebody is suggesting we can resize lvm inside of webos if the cryptfs is unmounted Sep 07 04:55:01 I'm not sure that's a good idea Sep 07 04:55:24 tmzt: I've half-written an app that can do that Sep 07 05:00:19 rwhitby Sep 07 05:00:25 i picked up my veer which needs a new sim slot Sep 07 05:00:32 hopefully i can replace it. Sep 07 05:00:39 what happened to it? Sep 07 05:00:46 one of the pins were broken off Sep 07 05:01:01 its a 10 out of 10, otherwise Sep 07 05:02:44 hopefully i can repair it. Sep 07 05:16:31 *sigh* Jeez, people. Where's my native *nix, complete with drivers, and full documentation already? Sloooooooow. *trollface* Sep 07 05:18:41 i know! Sep 07 05:19:27 ttfn Sep 07 05:20:29 Touching tits for nickels? Sep 07 05:23:54 yea... that MUST be it Sep 07 05:24:04 Thought so. Sep 07 05:24:13 native? Sep 07 05:24:49 No thanks, I'm cutting back. Sep 07 05:25:27 native what? linux is native, gnu/linux is native, drivers are native Sep 07 05:25:34 what are you talking about Sep 07 05:26:04 Booting into a linux distribution natively, rather than using a chroot environ. Sep 07 05:28:08 izza: easy Sep 07 05:28:17 copy uImage somewhere on your pc Sep 07 05:28:39 actually you would need kernel source for this method unless you build a wrapper Sep 07 05:29:04 force the command line to root=/dev/whatever which would be a partition you created for your 'native' linux install Sep 07 05:29:27 boot that modified uImage with novacom boot mem:// < uImage Sep 07 05:29:52 do not modify partiions before the start of the lvm partitions Sep 07 05:30:15 and prefereably, resize and use an lvm logical volume on the storage volume group Sep 07 05:50:06 Im getting a File format not recognized with the libpanel shared object Sep 07 06:12:07 what's up guys Sep 07 06:13:04 not much Sep 07 06:44:33 Anyone using novacom on Arch? Sep 07 06:44:54 nope Sep 07 06:45:22 plus i havent used arch in years Sep 07 06:46:37 arch is soo unfriendly Sep 07 06:46:44 izza, whats the error anyway? Sep 07 06:46:46 maybe i can help Sep 07 06:46:58 failed to connect to server Sep 07 06:47:06 Wondering if I need to add a daemon to rc Sep 07 06:47:09 what are you running? Sep 07 06:47:12 you do Sep 07 06:47:16 Ah, alright Sep 07 06:47:20 novacomd Sep 07 06:47:29 and you need the USB_GIGET in the kernel Sep 07 06:48:05 izza, are you working on the native arch port? Sep 07 06:48:21 No, just playing around. Sep 07 06:48:30 ah ok Sep 07 06:50:51 Arch got pretty political which was one of the draws to it when i began with it Sep 07 06:51:37 arch is just another gentoo Sep 07 06:51:43 waiting to get about 50 users Sep 07 06:51:52 the masses will always use ubuntu as a desktop Sep 07 06:52:08 Okay, daemon started, but now "unable to find device". Sep 07 06:52:23 is the usb_giget enabled in the kernel? Sep 07 06:52:36 No idea. Sep 07 06:52:48 is it a stock kernel? Sep 07 06:52:51 or did you build it Sep 07 06:53:12 Stock. Sep 07 06:53:18 then yes Sep 07 06:53:20 its there Sep 07 06:53:26 do a lsub Sep 07 06:53:28 usb gadget, right? Sep 07 06:53:30 see if it sees the device Sep 07 06:53:37 gadget yea Sep 07 06:53:39 It sees it... checked that first. Sep 07 06:53:51 try lsusb -vv Sep 07 06:53:53 and check in dmesg Sep 07 06:53:56 for error codes Sep 07 06:53:58 zcat /proc/config.gz|grep USB_GADGET Sep 07 06:55:29 It's there. Sep 07 10:32:45 some days ago I saw on Twitter that somebody said in context with wIRC OpenSSL has been whitelisted - any sources for that? Sep 07 10:36:12 I think PuffTheMagic wrote this on Twitter Sep 07 10:43:54 is there a shortcut to start xecutah, xserver, the xterm? Sep 07 10:44:01 *then Sep 07 10:44:35 bonus points for starting xterm with a command :) Sep 07 10:45:46 You can make a .xinitrc to load xterm automatically when the xserver loads. There's a shortcut to launch the xserver in your downloads tab. Sep 07 10:52:32 izza: would that be /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/org.webosinternals.xterm/bin/xterm? Sep 07 10:53:02 yep Sep 07 10:56:43 izza: I only see this when starting xserver directly: http://willies.info/tmp/xserver_2011-07-09_124925.png Sep 07 10:58:26 Ah, yeah, forgot about that. Sep 07 10:58:40 Well, if nothing else you save one step. :P Sep 07 11:05:41 hm, a /var/home/root/.xinitrc with #!/bin/sh \n exec /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/org.webosinternals.xterm/bin/xterm doesn't seem to work either Sep 07 11:58:08 screen (or tmux) and modifier keys would be awesome Sep 07 12:02:14 loswillios: the .initrx is in /media/internal/ Sep 07 12:03:31 Maqs: yeah, but that doesn work for me either Sep 07 12:04:09 does it work for you? Sep 07 12:04:14 it works for me Sep 07 12:04:30 can you pastebin your .xinitrc? Sep 07 12:04:31 at the bottom of http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11244516/touchpad.htm Sep 07 12:04:47 i have an ubuntu chroot though Sep 07 12:05:07 hm, maybe /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/org.webosinternals.xterm/bin/xterm just doesnt work Sep 07 12:05:18 do you have a shebang line? Sep 07 12:05:31 sure Sep 07 12:05:40 ok Sep 07 12:05:57 then i assume the executable flag is set, too.. Sep 07 12:06:40 when you start the x server and use novaterm, set the DISPLAY environment variable to :0 and call /media/cr......./xterm, does it work? Sep 07 12:07:48 indeed, that does work Sep 07 12:09:54 hah, DISPLAY=:0 prefixed and it works Sep 07 12:10:47 :-) Sep 07 12:11:05 thx Sep 07 12:11:52 you're welcome Sep 07 12:16:12 I'm at the point to use the activation procedure in as described in the precentral forum for global app access Sep 07 12:21:02 I have various options what I can choose, is there a way to browse the online app catalog based on location ? Sep 07 13:07:15 Simpson_2: there is not Sep 07 13:07:50 rwhitby, okay, so no wonder I couldn't find it ;) Sep 07 13:09:10 rwhitby, I'm dutch with a dutch credit card, The Creditcard / country combinations in your tutorial are confirmed ? e.g. UK ( which Im leaning towards now ) with a dutch CC should work ? Sep 07 13:09:34 Simpson_2: talk to richard rosenberger Sep 07 13:10:03 rwhitby, does he have a IRC nick ? or should I contact him throught the forums ? Sep 07 13:10:26 Simpson_2: http://www.pdatechcenter.nl/ Sep 07 13:10:52 he has recently activated 30 x Pre 3 for customers in .nl Sep 07 13:11:57 ah good hint Sep 07 13:12:11 rwhitby, thx i'll get to him Sep 07 13:55:36 oh man Sep 07 13:55:45 taking this veer's motherboard out is a pita Sep 07 13:55:59 rwhitby: were you able to remove it without damage Sep 07 15:16:05 I made a thread already, but there's an issue with the latest version of "muffled system logging" that's causing email attachments (from the app) to not save to the file-cache folder when downloaded. Rendering them useless. Sep 07 15:18:40 just thought i'd let the devs know Sep 07 15:18:41 good day Sep 07 15:23:18 https://eurostore.palm.com/epages/Store.sf/secznnZ_LBtTeg/?ObjectPath=/Shops/PalmStore/Products/HP-FB338AA-AC3 Sep 07 15:23:23 untrusted connection, run! Sep 07 15:25:20 jebus. out of stock on spare batteries too Sep 07 15:27:02 ya Sep 07 15:27:16 i just called and did a advanced exchange on my veer Sep 07 15:27:44 decided i didn't want to tackle replacing the sim card slot myself =p Sep 07 15:27:45 luckily they have stock of them for replacements Sep 07 15:55:07 zefyx: there were a lot of veers http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/hot-deals/1121588/ Sep 07 15:56:13 "I have seen couple of guys buying 1000 VEER s each." Sep 07 15:56:22 of course they are all now on ebay Sep 07 16:01:21 Keen. Have LXDE in the Ubuntu chroot, running synergy between my main machine and the tablet. Sep 07 16:13:54 hmm, a Veer incl. a TS for 76,67€ + 6,90€ on eBay... should I or not? :) Sep 07 16:17:51 they are 69€ new atm Sep 07 16:17:59 eliasp: at least in germany Sep 07 16:18:23 hm, ok :) Sep 07 16:18:47 without the ts though Sep 07 16:19:51 eliasp: lots of o2-stores still have them. unfortunately I couldn't get a pre3 anymore Sep 07 16:45:00 pcworld: ping Sep 07 16:46:44 Soo my touchpad is dead Sep 07 16:47:42 ghostinator, define "DEAD" Sep 07 16:48:10 and what happened before it died. Sep 07 16:48:31 black screen, unable to get it in usb recovery mode. Windows only identifies it as Palm with a hardware id USB\VID_0830&PID_8070 Sep 07 16:49:08 It was sitting there in sleep mode, i picked it up turned it on.. luna stopped responding, went to hook it up to my pc so i could login with novacom and issue a reboot command Sep 07 16:49:15 and novacom couldn't find it Sep 07 16:50:09 and you tried the hold power + home for 30+ seconds (like 4-5 times try that) Sep 07 16:50:26 sure thing, i'll try it again though Sep 07 16:50:42 I had to do that like 4-5 times to get mine back. Sep 07 16:51:01 WTF!! It needs a charge now Sep 07 16:51:10 I tried that sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo many times Sep 07 16:51:12 yup Sep 07 16:51:17 maybe it just needed to die Sep 07 16:51:18 mine did the SAME thing Sep 07 16:51:26 spontaneous battery discharge? Sep 07 16:51:30 nope Sep 07 16:51:54 And there we go.. it boots Sep 07 16:51:55 the 8903 gets into a funky mode where it forgets what SOC is. Sep 07 16:52:07 State of Charge. Sep 07 16:52:48 i thought the reset was to hold the power and both volume buttons or something Sep 07 16:53:40 well back to defaults Sep 07 16:53:50 Ahh there we go back to home screen. Sep 07 16:53:57 PuffTheMagic: ping back ;) I saw Ben Combee's tweet abou the libs Sep 07 16:54:47 ka6sox, how long as the tps8903 been used in palm devices? Sep 07 16:55:05 probably a long time Sep 07 16:55:13 I should check my notes Sep 07 16:55:34 I got my TP into a mode where it would not charge. Sep 07 16:55:42 i'm sure wifey's pre- has decided it had zero charge for no good reason a couple of times Sep 07 16:55:43 didn't mattery what I tried. Sep 07 16:55:59 ive never had that problem fornately Sep 07 16:56:11 directhex, my wife's pre2 has the same issue...I finally replaced the battery Sep 07 16:56:47 since the data the onboard was giving the charger via 1-wire was bogus. Sep 07 16:57:32 pcworld: ok good Sep 07 17:25:10 can I safely have one palm profile with a pre+ and a veer, both registered in different countries ? Sep 07 17:30:42 Simpson_2: not without some work--AFAIK same profile on multiple phones causes one of them to be auto-erased Sep 07 18:08:24 Sep 07 18:12:40 does anyone know, if there is still effort to add ogg/flac support to webos ? i read that ogg was working fine but did lack tagging support. Sep 07 18:43:24 just saw in the forums that some guy used freetether to connect a non-webOS phone to a TP, do you guys have any plans to get a patch out to open the BT up? Sep 07 19:05:41 ? Sep 07 19:06:52 ! Sep 07 19:12:25 mmm terminal Sep 07 19:13:42 Domingan_TP: I assume, and I haven't looked at this at all, but I assume it's not possible to patch the BT stuff, because I assume the BT stuff isn't js/html/css Sep 07 19:14:25 it's _possible_ there's a way to patch the system config files related to bluetooth, but more likely than not, there'd need to be system-type code written to make those modifications Sep 07 19:14:36 again, I don't actually know any of this, just going off of intuitions Sep 07 19:15:51 see the thing is this, I tried to pair my wifes phone and it worked with his instructions.. Sep 07 19:16:03 after doing the freetether stuff.. Sep 07 19:16:09 before that it didnt.. Sep 07 19:16:42 if freetether is doing something to the BT can thatbsame thing it is doing be patched? Sep 07 19:16:44 I'm going to try and pair my itouch and use talkatone and see if it Sep 07 19:16:59 it'll work correctly Sep 07 19:17:18 it'd be google voice calling on your touchpad if it did Sep 07 19:17:47 Domingan_TP: it wouldn't be patching. I believe freetether installs a system service that allows it access to the BT in that way Sep 07 19:19:56 ahhh ok. I know the thread is blowing up, sounds like its something everyone is looking for, anyway to persuade you incredibly smart people to take a look? I would but I am dumb. Sep 07 19:20:32 * Domingan_TP opens a box of donuts Sep 07 19:20:44 link? Sep 07 19:20:45 :) Sep 07 19:25:23 wow thought th donuts would have done it.. need better bribes I guess... Sep 07 19:25:46 should ubercalender work on a veer ?? Sep 07 19:26:36 Domingan_TP: link to thread? Sep 07 19:28:09 Hi. Someone having problem with google services in south america? Sep 07 19:30:48 http://forums.precentral.net/hp-touchpad/295862-first-non-webos-phone-fully-tetherd-hp-touchpad.html Sep 07 19:31:41 ah, I've almost got it working with a BBerry Sep 07 19:32:01 ned to doctor the TP first Sep 07 19:36:04 no need Sep 07 19:36:13 I didn't have to Sep 07 19:36:32 my wifes TP worked fine Sep 07 19:36:40 just added freetether Sep 07 19:36:54 really? Sep 07 19:37:01 evo3d to TP Sep 07 19:37:06 the blackberry found the touchpad 1 time... Sep 07 19:37:11 it didn't find it again Sep 07 19:37:28 I got all the txt mags working I can receive calls Sep 07 19:37:44 but can't call out from the TP Sep 07 19:38:18 if I call out from the phone it works Sep 07 20:12:54 to bypass the initial webps profile setup on the touchpad, does this still apply? Sep 07 20:12:58 https://developer.palm.com/content/resources/develop/developing_on_an_unactivated_device.html Sep 07 20:36:40 hey all, i've had my touchpad for a couple weeks now, and i've really been enjoying all the hacks and tweaks that the community has put into it! Sep 07 20:36:55 you guys are awesome, and anybody who has worked on all this stuff: thank you Sep 07 20:38:27 are there more natice photo upload options beyond facebook and photobucket? Sep 07 20:47:11 so i'd like to chat with somebody a little bit about the X server development process Sep 07 20:47:41 i'm kinda thinking about helping... at least with something Sep 07 20:56:12 Does anyone have a wiki page on how to create a ubuntu partition on my device from the device itself without novacom? Sep 07 21:31:34 malexmedia: you want to talk to dtzWill then Sep 07 21:35:08 so I got two phones from the HP Firesale, Pre2 and Veer Sep 07 21:35:17 and I'm still on sprint. I think it's time to move pretty soon Sep 07 21:36:26 linuxjacques: dtzWill ? does he hang out here? Sep 07 21:36:37 or just idle ? ;) Sep 07 21:37:57 malexmedia: 24 hours in a day, mate. and not everyone is in the same timezone or has the same spare time hours. Sep 07 21:38:05 malexmedia: yep, he hangs out here. Sep 07 21:38:39 Hi all, does anyone know who wrote the original "novaterm.exe" for windows (the one from here http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Accessing_Linux_Using_Novaterm) Sep 07 21:38:46 ? Sep 07 21:38:49 nat_davies: palm Sep 07 21:39:06 I take it that means it's very much closed source. =/. Sep 07 21:39:08 ? Sep 07 21:39:17 yes. Sep 07 21:39:30 damn Sep 07 21:39:36 see http://git.webos-internals.org/tools/precom-progs/ Sep 07 21:39:47 malexmedia: I'm here an awful lot, yes :). Unfortunately a bit distracted atm, but i'd of course love to see how/where/etc you can help :) Sep 07 21:40:35 dtzWill: hi there! no worried on being distracted, i'm just messing around Sep 07 21:41:14 i was curious if there's any info out there about how the current build of the X server is rendering to a webOS card Sep 07 21:41:45 malexmedia, git.webos-internals.org has the source code Sep 07 21:41:49 slightly random question, does anybody know if anyone's working on a (better than is in the wiki) way for touchpads to see ad-hoc wireless networks? Sep 07 21:42:11 oooh cheers rwhitby. :). Sep 07 21:50:01 ooh, so the X server is doing its I/O via SDL? Sep 07 21:52:35 nat_davies: you mean the gui novaterm? Sep 07 21:52:52 i wrote that Sep 07 21:53:48 nat_davies: source is at http://tkgeisel.com/stuff/novaterm-1.src.zip Sep 07 21:59:12 how can I patch webOS on touchpad to have tactics while typing? Sep 07 22:00:11 Yes I did mean the gui NovaTerm Sep 07 22:01:18 wish i had been able to pickup a pre 2 :( Sep 07 22:01:18 and even a veer! Sep 07 22:01:46 i bought a veer for $50 locally, bad sim slot. HP is sending me a refurb to replace it, can't complain Sep 07 22:01:47 nat_davies: yep, there's the source. enjoy Sep 07 22:01:48 but still. its going to be about $60 out of pocket for a refurb. Sep 07 22:01:55 excellecent thankyou very much. Sep 07 22:03:30 zefyx: even more reason to become a dev Sep 07 22:07:22 LarrySteeze: i'm not knowledgable enough to be digging into the kernel, sadly. Sep 07 22:07:44 also, please keep what we talked about between the two of us Sep 07 22:07:44 thank you :) Sep 07 22:07:54 not ready for the masses beating down my pm inbox Sep 07 22:11:59 what's that? zefyx has inside information on the new batch of touchpads, the 4g 64gb touchpads, the 7" touchpad and the pre3? and we should PM him for more information? Sep 07 22:12:02 ;) Sep 07 22:12:33 the pms arent for information, they're for a raffle Sep 07 22:12:41 zefyx: eh? Sep 07 22:12:51 one entry per pm, no limit Sep 07 22:13:04 zefyx: my memory isn't good enough to tell people what we talked about :P Sep 07 22:13:23 I just know that as a dev, you occasionally get free units, occasionally get a good deal Sep 07 22:13:31 It's often not the case, but the times do arise Sep 07 22:28:51 NuttyBunny: bought your photofun app with my credit Sep 07 22:28:59