**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Sep 09 02:59:57 2011 Sep 09 03:08:20 in the sys log for the touchpad, user.emerg. changing scan rate to 30hz.. what exactly is it scanning Sep 09 03:11:08 can somebody help me understand the differences between the installing ubuntu from the instructions at the starter guide http://forums.precentral.net/hp-touchpad/293028-new-touchpad-heres-your-get-started-guide.html and the partioning and metadoctor install Sep 09 03:11:12 ? Sep 09 03:12:43 I'm under the impression that if I follow the starter guide that I'd be able to run ubuntu under webos using xecutah, and i'm guessing that if I do the metadoctor/ partioning install that ubuntu will run itself without webos, am i correct? Sep 09 03:13:46 no Sep 09 03:13:57 for best performance, you want to partition Sep 09 03:13:57 ? Sep 09 03:14:07 Both ways use xecutah Sep 09 03:14:09 ok, i understand preformance Sep 09 03:14:46 ok, so basically ubuntu will always run along with webos, either way I install ubuntu, I'll just get better performance Sep 09 03:14:55 right Sep 09 03:15:04 it'll run in a card just like any other app Sep 09 03:18:48 I'm confused by step 6 in the instructions:Build the custom doctor by running the script, or otherwise building it. Sep 09 03:18:58 do I just type make to run the scripts Sep 09 03:19:46 under how to enable wifi profiles Sep 09 03:20:00 step 6 Sep 09 03:20:19 make Sep 09 03:20:20 DEVICE = undefined Sep 09 03:20:20 CARRIER = undefined Sep 09 03:20:20 VERSION = Sep 09 03:20:20 INSTALL_WIFI_PROFILES = 1 Sep 09 03:20:22 CUSTOM_BOOTLOGO = scripts/WebOS-Internals.tga Sep 09 03:20:26 discord@chocolate:~/meta-doctor$ Sep 09 03:20:59 nevermind Sep 09 03:21:05 i think i got it Sep 09 03:23:41 can somebody tell me what are the wifiprofiles exactly? Is it just a backup of my wifi passwords and networks? Sep 09 03:25:56 discord: yep, that's the idea, that way you can activate over wifi Sep 09 03:29:02 do any of the preware apps used node? Sep 09 03:31:07 the hello app ;) Sep 09 03:31:29 ah, no, I think that's not on Preware, sorry Sep 09 03:32:49 NuttyBunny: it is now, in the testing feed Sep 09 03:33:06 tweaks also uses node I believe Sep 09 03:33:39 rwhitby: Ah, so it is THE hello app? I saw it but I didn't paid much attention :) Sep 09 04:00:45 hi. Nkotb here. Sep 09 04:02:03 *idlogin takes a bow and doffs his hat to the webOS community* Sep 09 04:03:04 is there a way to filter preware to show touchpad optimised apps? Sep 09 04:04:33 idlogin: at the moment, no. Sep 09 04:07:26 thanks rwhitby Sep 09 04:08:30 rwhitby: would that be done on a per-feed (if the feed uses that) bases? Sep 09 04:09:38 I haven't even thought about how it would be done. Sep 09 04:09:56 ok Sep 09 04:10:33 did anyone traced teelbootie to see how does it communicate stuff to Bootie? some writes to memory that persist over a reboot? direct flash write? Sep 09 04:10:47 green--: it seems to use linux's reboot reason Sep 09 04:10:54 or write it to /dev/mem Sep 09 04:10:57 strace should tell you Sep 09 04:11:11 a bit hard to strace a program that reboots in the middle ;) Sep 09 04:11:13 working on bootloader? Sep 09 04:11:18 ah true Sep 09 04:11:27 if you connect over a terminal Sep 09 04:11:30 no, just thinking of an easy workaround :) Sep 09 04:11:35 for? Sep 09 04:11:36 you should get some of the output Sep 09 04:11:43 easy workaround that I can use to switch kernels or something on reboot Sep 09 04:12:05 if you could write the mem version of bootie's config and warm restart it might work Sep 09 04:12:23 by the way I'm working #msm-bootloader on a clone of bootie Sep 09 04:12:36 msm bootloader? Sep 09 04:12:43 yep Sep 09 04:12:47 what's that? Sep 09 04:12:48 new channel Sep 09 04:13:10 how do you clone bootie, is not it closedsourced? Sep 09 04:13:14 by the way I'm working in #msm-bootloader on a clone of bootie Sep 09 04:13:19 clone as in work alike Sep 09 04:13:24 not as in git clone Sep 09 04:13:25 :) Sep 09 04:13:37 ok, I just cannot read so cope with me ;) Use simple words too ; Sep 09 04:13:56 you can checkout git://github.com/tmzt/msmb; git checkout msmb-test Sep 09 04:14:07 msmb-boot is the topic branch it gets integrated into msmb-test Sep 09 04:14:21 which is currently a clone of the codeaurora version of lk Sep 09 04:14:43 tmzt: do yo happen to know how to create a memory version of state for bootie that it would pick on reboot? Sep 09 04:15:23 no, geist said that T ones are loaded from two places at boot, one we know about the other is also in flash but we haven't done anything with Sep 09 04:15:35 as far as ram I don't know if there's a way Sep 09 04:15:51 I think I can get uImage booting working if I can get a testable version of lk on qemu Sep 09 04:15:51 I so wish there was more info about bootie scripting Sep 09 04:16:00 or bootie in general Sep 09 04:16:29 for a replacement bootloader there is really no need to do uImage if you don't want to Sep 09 04:16:49 true but it would be simple and compatible with palm/hp Sep 09 04:16:57 lk already has most of the routines Sep 09 04:17:02 as far as I can tell Sep 09 04:17:06 just strip off first 64 bytes of the uImage and off you go ;) Sep 09 04:17:11 the rest are closed in bootie Sep 09 04:17:17 yeah, but I want multi and load address to work Sep 09 04:17:35 ah Sep 09 04:17:41 thing is, i think all the hardware is initted on tp and I only need to keep the surf bootloader from reiniting it Sep 09 04:17:45 that's what I'm working on Sep 09 04:20:54 tmzt: I have a suspicion that doing a bootloader in linux, either kexec or something like this: http://www.embeddedarm.com/software/arm-linux-bootloader.php would be much easier and much more flexible and extendable in the future too Sep 09 04:21:47 kexec!=flexible Sep 09 04:22:15 look at ps3, some arm projects, kboot in general, motorola-modding 2ndboot Sep 09 04:22:21 none of them keep hardware in a good state Sep 09 04:22:54 well, the state is inherited from the very first boot. all pins are muxed as needed already Sep 09 04:23:09 so nothing much you need to do for kexec Sep 09 04:23:31 right, but that means the second kernel needs to ignore that stuff Sep 09 04:23:41 nope Sep 09 04:23:46 just saying it's much harder in the end to do it this way Sep 09 04:23:58 look msm framebuffer, gpu, kgsl and everythign else Sep 09 04:24:09 one of the kernels has to be stripped then you don't have output Sep 09 04:24:59 tmzt: I don't think a second init is a problem. Sep 09 04:25:18 God, it's so hard to get a freakin Pre3 Sep 09 04:25:33 I think someone is just upping prices on ebay Sep 09 04:25:40 I want one from the UK for goodness sakes! Sep 09 04:25:42 basically it's bootloader's job to mux the pins that the kernel uses. Then the kernel will do the rest anyway, and if then another kernel repeaststhe process, it's fine Sep 09 04:26:32 green--, easy way out is just use the pre one. Sep 09 04:26:37 and symlink the kernels Sep 09 04:26:44 no one seems to like it. but its easy Sep 09 04:26:44 :) Sep 09 04:27:29 rhcp[linux]: there is a big problem with resymlinkng the kernels. Suppose you symlinked a wrong kernel that does not work. How do you plan to recover in a user-friendly manner? Sep 09 04:27:49 as a first step it's workable of course, but not in an sort of longterm Sep 09 04:29:08 well, you said easy way out Sep 09 04:29:09 :) Sep 09 04:29:17 you want to walk down brick lane. Sep 09 04:29:29 there are other ways Sep 09 04:30:36 I don't care about the keycaps, I'll take a azerty or qwertz Sep 09 04:31:34 rhcp[linux]: I want easy to implement, but robust, not just easy and workable for knowledgeable people only, you see Sep 09 04:32:11 port over grub Sep 09 04:32:15 and chainboot it Sep 09 04:32:16 : Sep 09 04:32:18 :P Sep 09 04:32:33 did I mentioned I wanted something easy, as in "not too much effort"? ;) Sep 09 04:32:39 easy == brick Sep 09 04:32:46 i think you got one too many as is Sep 09 04:32:47 :P Sep 09 04:33:10 symlink method is the safeest / simplest Sep 09 04:33:11 it's ok, I goe some to spare ;) Sep 09 04:34:32 who maintains the ipkg.preware.org/feeds Sep 09 04:34:33 ? Sep 09 04:34:36 quick question Sep 09 04:35:35 PatrickC_TP: why... Sep 09 04:36:03 about the Packages, Packages.gz, and Packages.stamp files Sep 09 04:36:15 what about them Sep 09 04:36:16 ka6sox answered my questions and had some fixes last time I asked Sep 09 04:36:37 are the Packages.gz/Packages.stamps files needed? Sep 09 04:36:41 I understand the Packages file Sep 09 04:37:09 I'm wanting to start my own feed, but have it more.. like the webOS internals feeds, with screenshots, min webOS versions, etc. Sep 09 04:37:32 Packages.gz is just a compressed Packages file, so no, and don't know (but don't think it is) if .stamps is. Sep 09 04:38:05 ok Sep 09 04:38:12 thx halfhalo Sep 09 04:38:45 have fun trying to setup a feed. for what you want its a decent amount of work Sep 09 04:39:29 halfhalo: looking at the Packages file in the ipkg.preware.org feeds, it just looks like some typing Sep 09 04:39:42 I can use what they have as a skeleton.. can't I? Sep 09 04:40:10 Wait... your going to hand type all those entries?!?!? I... I... I... Sep 09 04:40:26 umm.. for now? Sep 09 04:40:32 how else do they get in there? Sep 09 04:40:33 lol Sep 09 04:40:34 PatrickC_TP: everything you need to know is in http://git.webos-internals.org/preware/build/tree/toolchain/ipkg-utils Sep 09 04:40:53 rwhitby: thanks! I'll take a look Sep 09 04:41:06 since the method by which the feeds at ipkg.prewar.org is public information in a git repo, reproducing it should be trivial. Sep 09 04:42:13 by which the feeds at ipkg.preware.org are created is ... Sep 09 04:43:00 Every single time I play with ipkg/feed stuff I completely forget about ipkg-utils. Every. Single. Time. Sep 09 04:43:39 always end up there though, its a good reference. Sep 09 04:44:12 if you need more examples, it's basically the same as debian apt feeds as well Sep 09 04:49:07 rwhitby: thanks for the link. I'll be looking more into it Sep 09 04:54:38 betwen random crashes on f15c, the log shows [2011-09-09 04:48:01] (kernel) kern.err: [ 1053.951830] increase_vdd: vdd_sc (cpu1) increase failed (-5) quite a bit Sep 09 04:54:52 wonder if its related Sep 09 04:55:54 well i mean system freezes Sep 09 04:57:15 green--: if you symlinked the wrong kernel then you could boot the installer image and fix it Sep 09 04:57:25 I have lumberjack following the log since it slowly becomes unresponsive instead of just a reboot due to too much OC Sep 09 04:57:35 destinal, Yep Sep 09 04:57:43 or enter bootie and fix it there Sep 09 04:57:45 mkdir: can't create directory '/media/ext3fs': Read-only file system Sep 09 04:57:47 What do? Sep 09 04:58:03 mount -o rw,remount /media/ext3fs Sep 09 04:58:11 izza: which instructions are you following? Sep 09 04:58:26 THe ones on the Wiki. Sep 09 04:58:48 mount: can't find /media/ext3fs in /proc/mounts Sep 09 04:58:50 izza: which page please, so we can make sure it notes that Sep 09 04:58:59 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/UbuntuChroot Sep 09 05:00:08 izza: rootfs_open -t Sep 09 05:00:22 izza: please add that to that wiki page for the next person Sep 09 05:00:44 Same error. Sep 09 05:01:27 I doubt that "rootfs_open -t" would return "mount: can't find /media/ext3fs in /proc/mounts" Sep 09 05:01:51 izza: pastebin.com your full session log please Sep 09 05:02:02 No, the command worked, but proceeding to mount gives the same error afterwards. Sep 09 05:02:19 izza: pastebin.com your full session log please Sep 09 05:03:47 including where you created the LVM ext3fs partition, and where you edited /etc/fstab to add the mount stanza for it Sep 09 05:04:05 I'm using a disk image. Sep 09 05:04:46 izza: pastebin.com your full session log please Sep 09 05:05:53 http://pastebin.com/HJR2X3td Sep 09 05:06:19 that doesn't show where you created the image, nor where you mounted it Sep 09 05:06:30 lol Sep 09 05:06:36 where is the ext3? lvl? Sep 09 05:06:38 izza: note that what rhcp[linux] is incorrect Sep 09 05:06:58 ... told you ... Sep 09 05:07:13 well hey. i see error r/o Sep 09 05:07:18 my first advice is try to mount it :P Sep 09 05:07:38 and the results of guessing the solution are clear Sep 09 05:07:39 i guess you deal with this type of stuff more then i :P Sep 09 05:08:24 izza, You need to resize your lvm -> lvlcreate Sep 09 05:08:27 and mkfs Sep 09 05:08:37 you missed some steps someplace Sep 09 05:08:38 :) Sep 09 05:08:40 izza: those two suggestions are incorrect too Sep 09 05:08:47 how so? Sep 09 05:08:49 he has no lvl Sep 09 05:08:50 lol Sep 09 05:08:55 confused Sep 09 05:09:03 Yeah, rhcp[linux] I'm using an image. Sep 09 05:09:28 izza: once the rootfs is writeable using rootfs_open, you can continue with the wiki page instrucitons Sep 09 05:09:57 izza: please add that rootfs_open -t command before the mkdir /media/ext3fs in the wiki page Sep 09 05:10:06 Inline? Sep 09 05:10:17 yep, just before it will be fine Sep 09 05:11:33 can someone with a Pre 2 handy remind me how much RAM it has? Sep 09 05:11:47 it's 512MB, right? Sep 09 05:12:02 Okay, that worked. Sep 09 05:12:11 Thanks, rwhitby Sep 09 05:12:21 izza: np, thanks for updating the wiki to help the next guy Sep 09 05:14:10 Pre 3 MemTotal: 389240 kB Sep 09 05:14:36 Pre 2 MemTotal: 504572 kB Sep 09 05:14:45 Not happy, Jan. Sep 09 05:16:02 pre3 has less than 512mb? Sep 09 05:16:37 Damn HP! Sep 09 05:16:53 rwhitby: what compiler does this project use, is there awiki somewhere? Sep 09 05:17:09 wiki page Sep 09 05:17:38 rwhitby: probably that omap3 doesn't include it's dsp ram in that count Sep 09 05:18:09 as in, it's stil there but it's being used by the dsp and gpu Sep 09 05:18:51 can someone answer a kernel/govnah related question? Sep 09 05:19:53 accidentally closed preware while downloading kernel update. do I need to dotor?\ Sep 09 05:20:08 reinstall the palm defaukt Sep 09 05:20:31 it'll over write all thatbgoo Sep 09 05:20:39 good stuff, then reboot Sep 09 05:20:54 rwhitby, according to this the pre3 should have 512mb of ram (same as pre2) i dont get it.. http://www.phonearena.com/phones/HP-Pre3-GSM_id5200 Sep 09 05:21:04 Ok will do Sep 09 05:21:33 be back Sep 09 05:22:54 tmzt: that's MemTotal from /proc/meminfo Sep 09 05:23:03 http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/10110/hp-pre-3-hardware-analysis/ Sep 09 05:23:16 rwhitby, was the pre3 a dissapointment to you? Sep 09 05:26:09 it does have that much ram, physically Sep 09 05:26:21 but amss, gpu, dsp (q6/a6) use part of it Sep 09 05:26:31 and it's not reported to linux Sep 09 05:26:35 they also use some that is Sep 09 05:27:11 yeah, iirc the 8x55 was previously called 7x30 Sep 09 05:27:22 it's basically a 7xxx series chip with a fast scorpion core Sep 09 05:27:26 so it has that style architecture Sep 09 05:28:06 hey Sep 09 05:29:12 hola Sep 09 05:29:37 good day Sep 09 05:30:11 fyi, I was playing with the Kensington KeyFolio Ipad/Ipad2 case at walmart today, and it totally works with the TouchPad. It's a Bluetooth keyboard and Leather Case combo thing. Reason I didn't buy, was the rubberized keys, and awkward placement of the spacebar. I kept hitting the border of the keyboard instead of the space bar. Sep 09 05:30:15 geist: I'm building lk for qemu, getting pretty far but having toolchain issues Sep 09 05:30:31 which toolchain ya got? Sep 09 05:30:49 cs 2010 Sep 09 05:30:56 ah Sep 09 05:30:57 it's stopping in vsnprintf Sep 09 05:31:02 which variant? Sep 09 05:31:04 trying to get 2009q3 Sep 09 05:31:07 arm-elf or arm-linux or what? Sep 09 05:31:15 arm-none-gnueabi Sep 09 05:31:24 ah, even more fun Sep 09 05:31:35 arm-none-linux-gnueabi actually Sep 09 05:31:43 it's entirely likely that newer or different versions of the toolchain will require a bit of tweakage Sep 09 05:32:22 rhcp has it working with a different toolchain and i tested his binaries (lk.bin/lk) on mine and it worked (had to add -m 128 on my qemu thhough) Sep 09 05:32:35 tmzt: for webOS kernel builds, we use 2009q1 as per http://git.webos-internals.org/preware/build/tree/toolchain/cs09q1armel/Makefile Sep 09 05:32:48 I'm trying to find a download Sep 09 05:32:58 the new codesourcery broke them Sep 09 05:33:29 tmzt: try somewhere around https://sourcery.mentor.com/sgpp/lite/arm/portal/subscription3057 Sep 09 05:34:51 403 Sep 09 05:34:59 on the actual download Sep 09 05:35:24 So this is really the only chatroom I've ever been in on IRC, anyone know where I can go find other beer lovers? Sep 09 05:35:39 #beer? Sep 09 05:35:47 tried it Sep 09 05:35:50 lol Sep 09 05:36:06 #beer on EFnet? Sep 09 05:37:16 thanks! there's lots of people there Sep 09 05:37:52 I'll just pull it from a server I have :0 Sep 09 05:37:56 you won't find as much "general interest" stuff on freenode Sep 09 05:38:05 has anyone used node.js in an app before? Sep 09 05:38:19 tmzt: munge it from https://sourcery.mentor.com/sgpp/lite/arm/portal/package1787/public/arm-none-linux-gnueabi/arm-2007q3-51-arm-none-linux-gnueabi-i686-pc-linux-gnu.tar.bz2 Sep 09 05:38:37 hmm - 403 on that too Sep 09 05:39:07 m0ngr31: not on webos Sep 09 05:39:19 m0ngr31: if you mean in general there's #node.js Sep 09 05:39:35 i'm trying to make an app that uses it... Sep 09 05:39:50 tmzt: http://sources.nslu2-linux.org/sources/arm-2009q1-203-arm-none-linux-gnueabi-i686-pc-linux-gnu.tar.bz2 Sep 09 05:40:04 (that'll be a faster link than codesourcery too) Sep 09 05:40:09 i know it's included in webos 2.x+, but i don't know how if i need to do anything special to use it Sep 09 05:40:14 thanks Sep 09 05:40:31 m0ngr31: have you read the SDK docs and tutorials on how to use it? Sep 09 05:40:35 this lte is crzy fast Sep 09 05:41:49 it broked Sep 09 05:42:31 rwhitby: is that kernel.org or osuosl? Sep 09 05:42:35 rwhitby: i'm not seeing anything on developer.palm.com... but i'm probably blind Sep 09 05:42:50 tmzt: that's a machine in the same rack as master.kernel.org at osuosl Sep 09 05:45:02 geist: since qemu starts lk.bin with -kernel should it also be chainable from bootie (using a surf8x60 build) on touchpad using lboot? Sep 09 05:45:31 or just pack it in a uImage -t kernel Sep 09 05:47:44 i guess, except i'm sure it wont really work right without some tweakage Sep 09 05:53:53 Well, that took a while! :Q Sep 09 05:54:11 But I've got the scancodes/keycodes for most of the keys on the Touchpad Wireless keyboard. Sep 09 05:54:35 SineOt: they're different from a standard keyboard? or you mean like the gesture keys etc Sep 09 05:54:47 The top row of keys, like search etc. Sep 09 05:55:29 SineOt, what do you have it doing now Sep 09 05:55:33 Wasn't able to get the keyboard and brightness keys though. Kernel didn't recognize them at all, and if they aren't recognized it won't give you a scan code (stupid) Sep 09 05:55:43 Nothing yet. I only just now got the scan codes XD Sep 09 05:56:18 Was a pain in the ass since I didn't have a Linux system sitting around Sep 09 05:57:54 tmzt, since im a nice person Sep 09 05:57:57 http://www.codesourcery.com/sgpp/lite/arm/portal/release1802 Sep 09 05:59:08 geist: after 'creating bootstrap completion thread' it should be dropped into shell, not spinning on atomic? every copy of the integrator target I can find has timer.c mostly #if 0'd out but I don't know if that' related Sep 09 06:01:26 yeah, the integrator target isn't really that solid. not sure it really works Sep 09 06:01:40 the example targets that work best are the osk5912 and beagleboard (omap3) Sep 09 06:01:51 qemu beagle would work? Sep 09 06:02:56 might, i haven't tried it Sep 09 06:03:16 works on a real beagle, so i dont see why not Sep 09 06:03:28 thanks for the help earlier ghostinator Sep 09 06:03:41 Hm, I wonder if GLX would run on XServer on TouchPad if you used the software rendered... iirc it has one Sep 09 06:03:46 I bet it would be really slow though =) Sep 09 06:03:55 *software renderer Sep 09 06:04:29 rwhitby: depending on the amount of buffering, you're looking at 1 MB extra per screen buffer, not counting extra image data, etc Sep 09 06:04:34 (on the Pre 3 vs the Pre 2) Sep 09 06:05:35 if this works hellomsmb might just work :) Sep 09 06:06:24 Anyone know what "start over" means on the F15C changelog? Sep 09 06:07:15 Xuzz: it's the MSM architecture, which has all the modem stuff using the same RAM chip as the apps processor. Sep 09 06:07:27 whereas the OMAP had it on a different chip Sep 09 06:07:31 no idea elfurbe Sep 09 06:08:11 ah, that makes sense Sep 09 06:08:18 (although some of it must go to grahpics?) Sep 09 06:08:24 though most of them still shared physical ram package Sep 09 06:08:46 so it's just bad reporting of the value in the marketing literature Sep 09 06:27:45 izza: I didn't see any wiki page update yet ... Sep 09 06:29:49 Working on it... simultaneously trying to juggle a 1 year old. Sep 09 06:31:51 izza: no worries, I know the feeling, but from 5 years ago :) Sep 09 06:34:16 Hmm… Can't figure out remapping keys on OSX. :p Sep 09 06:34:35 It might be easier to edit a keymap for Android in hope of the future port. Sep 09 06:36:54 SineOt: what method did you use for getting the scancodes? Sep 09 06:37:52 SineOt: I use KeyRemap4MacBook. awesome program, and includes a patch from me in it ;) Sep 09 06:37:56 rwhitby: i believe it's fixed. Sep 09 06:38:32 rwhitby: something on the radio from a newer build, sprint didn't like it (it seems) Sep 09 06:39:22 booto: a mix of xev and getscancodes under Ubuntu Sep 09 06:39:43 rwhitby: I can't figure out how to map a random scan code to a key! (To be fair I also barely looked) Sep 09 06:39:43 rwhitby: Alright, updated. Sep 09 06:39:54 i'm trying to set up the widk, but it seems the codesourcery files have moved, any idea where to fetch them? Sep 09 06:40:21 http://sources.nslu2-linux.org/sources/arm-2009q1-203-arm-none-linux-gnueabi-i686-pc-linux-gnu.tar.bz2 Sep 09 06:43:18 SineOt: if you have a raw /dev/input/eventX node for your kb, you might be able to get the events at a lower level Sep 09 06:45:04 booto: yeah, that's what I was poking at. From poking on Google, it seems that sometimes if a kernel won't support the key to begin with it won't even give you a scan code Sep 09 06:45:54 like… The search key maps to key code 217, and will pull up system search on Ubuntu 11.04, but won't pull up search on Android 2.3.6-I can only assume because the Android kernel ignores that key on the keyboard, or something? Sep 09 06:49:07 SineOt: so you used something like evtest? (xev gets events after processing by your x11 server, iirc... which might be where the filtering is happening...) Sep 09 06:49:53 I think so? I was poking at /dev/input/event11 which was what it had placed the keyboard on Sep 09 06:50:09 izza: thanks Sep 09 06:50:17 np Sep 09 06:50:28 I've never poked at something like this before so I've been flying blind basically, booto, haha Sep 09 06:52:48 if you try: `dd if=/dev/input/event11 bs=16 count=1 | hexdump`, and then press one of the keys that didn't respond before, do you get output? (ctrl-c to drop back to a prompt) Sep 09 06:53:22 could program a small thing in C to read from event11 Sep 09 06:53:27 6 lines Sep 09 06:53:46 maybe a few more Sep 09 06:53:49 sure, but the struct is small enough to be no trouble to read directly Sep 09 06:53:57 yea Sep 09 06:54:35 if i had my TP on. I get it off tmzt and I were messing with it Sep 09 06:55:26 I thought evtest pretty much does exactly what you're proposing already, but the raw dd is the easiest way I can think of atm to see if anything is being pushed out Sep 09 06:55:47 booto: I'll try that later, don't have my laptop booted into Ubuntu right now Sep 09 06:56:10 using getscancodes pointed at /dev/input/event11 was pushing out everything else, just not those three keys Sep 09 06:56:44 and given that they're pretty nonstandard I wasn't too surprised Sep 09 06:57:37 they might be something to have to pull off a Touchpad proper Sep 09 06:57:41 what package is getscancodes in? http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=getscancodes&mode=exactfilename&suite=natty&arch=any shows nothing Sep 09 06:58:02 SineOt, Are you trying to get touchpad keys? Sep 09 06:58:48 booto: it's a tiny little built from source app, http://keytouch.sourceforge.net/dl-getscancodes.html it goes along with a keyboard remapper to get media keys working under Linux Sep 09 06:59:22 rhcp[linux]: yeah, keyboard and the two brightness keys don't work under Linux and I can't get keycodes/scancodes for them probably because the kernel just goes "LOL NUPE GTFO" or something Sep 09 07:00:10 which is apparently likely? I was hoping to at least get the keyboard running under Android but that might require a custom kernel as well. The default key mapping should support the search key but it's not recognizing it Sep 09 07:04:01 getscancodes does do some filtering on whether it outputs info: ev[i].type != EV_SYN && ev[i].type == EV_MSC && (ev[i].code == MSC_RAW || ev[i].code == MSC_SCAN) Sep 09 07:04:21 the command I gave you above will do no filtering at all Sep 09 07:05:04 do you guys have a webos-internals.org wiki page where you're recording the information you're gaining? Sep 09 07:05:36 booto: give me a moment and let me get my laptop booted back up into Ubuntu again Sep 09 07:05:45 rwhitby: it's sitting in a Google Docs spreadsheet right now Sep 09 07:06:08 ok :) (prediction: just my luck that it'll still no output anything :( ) Sep 09 07:06:14 hello all Sep 09 07:06:21 *not output Sep 09 07:06:37 booto: yeah… some people had said that using dmesg sometimes gives scan codes for unknown keys, but I wasn't seeing anything Sep 09 07:06:44 SineOt: please link a new page off http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Research Sep 09 07:06:51 can anyone help me figure out how to use the Homebrew JS Service Framework? Sep 09 07:07:06 * SineOt hopes he can remember his wiki login! Sep 09 07:07:27 gyrojoe: Jason Robitaille can, but he doesn't frequent IRC. I'd suggest asking in the associated PreCentral thread. Sep 09 07:08:28 alright. I'm just wondering if I need to install my ipk specially, adding the DBUS file didn't seem to do anything Sep 09 07:08:47 actually… I had poked at the Key Codes page earlier. Does anyone with a Touchpad know if there's something similar under 3.x? http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Key_Codes Sep 09 07:13:08 ./usr/palm/frameworks/mojo/builtins/palmInitFramework506.js:Mojo.Char={}; Sep 09 07:17:22 Okay, for some reason I'm locking when trying to save fstab after editing in nano. Sep 09 07:17:54 anyone know where I can get arm-2009q1-203-arm-none-linux-gnueabi-i686-pc-linux-gnu.tar.bz2 ? Sep 09 07:18:05 ahah! http://mobilecoder.wordpress.com/2011/03/18/using-the-homebrew-javascript-service-framework/ Sep 09 07:18:12 bedrock: http://sources.nslu2-linux.org/sources/arm-2009q1-203-arm-none-linux-gnueabi-i686-pc-linux-gnu.tar.bz2 Sep 09 07:18:16 i'm trying to perform make toolchain, but all the codesourcery stuff seems to have been moved/removed Sep 09 07:18:42 @rwhitby thanks Sep 09 07:27:59 booto: it dumps stuff, but it seems to be… Useless at best? Sep 09 07:28:10 SineOt: paste it in pm? Sep 09 07:36:58 weird, [new] link from https://sourcery.mentor.com/sgpp/lite/arm/portal/release858 to the i686 tar.bz2 gives a 403 :| Sep 09 07:37:24 SineOt, You want me to pull the code from my TP? Sep 09 07:37:30 its written mostly by tmzt Sep 09 07:37:33 but its generic code Sep 09 07:37:38 to read key events Sep 09 07:37:49 rwhitby: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Touchpad_Bluetooth_Keyboard Sep 09 07:38:03 rhcp[linux]: sure. Pop in the values you get to fill in the 3 I wasn't able to grab Sep 09 07:38:18 oh i was just going to give you the code/bin Sep 09 07:38:19 w/e Sep 09 07:38:40 i dont own the HP version of the touchpad keyboard Sep 09 07:38:49 and I don't own a Touchpad! XD Sep 09 07:39:02 oh Sep 09 07:39:05 this is from your computer? Sep 09 07:39:37 from two computers, but yeah Sep 09 07:39:44 oh Sep 09 07:39:49 the scan codes shouldn't change despite white it's hooked too Sep 09 07:39:55 dono tbh Sep 09 07:39:57 never looked :) Sep 09 07:40:09 webos is funny Sep 09 07:41:04 well, given that the search key that brings up search on a Touchpad brings up Search on Ubuntu 11.04, and that the media controls work under OSX… It should all be pretty standard regardless of the device it's attached to Sep 09 07:41:26 thats with the HP keyboard though? Sep 09 07:41:32 if i owned one. Id try Sep 09 07:41:39 (assuming the device expects that scan code to exist, from what I've gathered, otherwise it just tosses it away) Sep 09 07:41:51 rhcp[linux]: yeah, the HP Touchpad Bluetooth Keyboard Sep 09 07:41:56 hmm Sep 09 07:42:06 i guess i can boot it. Sep 09 07:42:06 sec Sep 09 07:42:11 i doubt tmzt would mind Sep 09 07:42:16 its nothing special Sep 09 07:42:27 I hooked it up to a Pre2 running 2.1 and none of the media keys work, so I assume that it's a situation where the scan codes aren't expected Sep 09 07:42:49 I don't know if a Pre3 running 2.2 supports them… I'd ASSUME so but I'm not positive since I don't have a Pre3 either Sep 09 07:43:04 do you want the ARM bin? Sep 09 07:43:05 rwhitby: actually, do you have the Touchpad keyboard? I know you have a Pre3! Sep 09 07:43:22 you just ./ Sep 09 07:43:23 and type Sep 09 07:43:27 oh wait Sep 09 07:43:30 its reading from wrong dev Sep 09 07:43:32 rhcp[linux]: hm? oh no it's fine, like I said I don't have a Touchpad Sep 09 07:43:32 sec Sep 09 07:43:35 just the keyboard Sep 09 07:43:45 it reads the codes though Sep 09 07:43:46 like you want Sep 09 07:43:53 up to you Sep 09 07:44:48 rhcp[linux]: I don't know if it would though, if the kernel isn't expecting the key's scan code to map to anything Sep 09 07:45:29 I tried dumping the raw /dev/input/ device under Linux and it won't return any result, so it's getting tossed somewhere along the line way deep in the system Sep 09 07:56:02 woo Sep 09 07:56:27 my cookie service is working - can download stuff from sites needing login now Sep 09 08:00:37 hey guys, quick question Sep 09 08:00:48 are we allowed to use SDL_audio? Sep 09 08:38:28 oh I guess the answer is yes Sep 09 08:38:43 I forgot SDL's main audio stuff is part of the core SDL library Sep 09 08:38:53 I'm cooking up something sweet for Touchpad users :) Sep 09 08:39:19 speaking of which, does anyone know who runs http://webosaudio.com/ ? Sep 09 08:39:57 ah nm found it http://zetacentauri.com/contact.htm Sep 09 08:39:57 asantoni, whatcha cookin up? Sep 09 08:40:07 can't say yet Sep 09 08:40:13 :P Sep 09 08:40:47 but I managed to port it from some "future platform" to webos as a hybrid app in one evening, which is super encouraging Sep 09 08:40:59 what is it? :P Sep 09 09:10:17 Just Webos Doctored my TouchPad, but the customised Launcher tabs didnt revert....wtf? Sep 09 09:13:31 yep, they are stored in your palm profile Sep 09 09:14:51 But I manually edited them, not patches.... Sep 09 09:15:07 Also changes I made to broser.conf didnt revert :S Sep 09 09:15:53 PAinToad: How can you manually edit the Launcher tabs? Sep 09 09:16:15 that wat hape asks. Sep 09 09:16:57 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS3.0_Launcher_Tweaks Sep 09 09:19:29 Mine are "Apps", "Games", "Stores", "Setting" Sep 09 09:20:18 neat hack Sep 09 09:24:04 PAinToad: Thanks Sep 09 09:27:07 PAinToad: regardless of how they were edited, they are backed up in your Palm Profile Sep 09 09:27:51 so everything on the entire filesystem gets backed up in profole? wats the point of webdoctor then? Sep 09 09:28:32 who said everything was backed up? Sep 09 09:29:09 I stated that your launcher tab settings (including icon positions in those pages) are backed up in your palm profile Sep 09 09:30:08 tab labels arent settings Sep 09 09:30:25 o actually i get it Sep 09 09:30:27 ur right Sep 09 09:30:32 are you intending to be argumentative about this? Sep 09 09:31:02 if you want to reset them, delete the files which were modified, then restart Luna, and then do a backup. Sep 09 09:31:29 I just hope browser.conf gets restored cause i deleted it and now apps wont launch Sep 09 09:31:46 just get the stock one from an unpacked doctor and put it back Sep 09 09:32:15 using Quick Install Sep 09 09:32:17 ? Sep 09 09:33:29 there are many ways to copy files on the device. I personally use novacom put Sep 09 09:33:38 extract it from a doctor with an archive manager and put it in there, via QI/USB/Internalz Pro Sep 09 09:33:57 yes, novacom put is nice too Sep 09 09:34:42 rwhitby: I submitted a patch 10 days ago, is it expected that it's not approved or went something wrong? Sep 09 09:35:12 pcworld: probably no-one has gotten to it yet. I'm intending to do a patch processing run this evening after I reflash my Pre 3. Sep 09 09:35:22 Internalz Pro wont launch without browser.conf Sep 09 09:35:46 then use novacom put or Quick Install or whatever Sep 09 09:35:55 Sorry for being a pain Sep 09 09:36:48 rwhitby: ok, thanks, was just asking because it reminded me of all the problems with the HP AppCatalog Sep 09 09:37:58 pcworld: no, feel free to hassle if no-one gets to it. this last week has been busy for a number of reasons, including preparing and giving a presentation at webOS connect in sydney, which has used up all the free time. Sep 09 09:39:58 it's really no problem, wanted just to make sure that it's not a technical issue/bug ;) Sep 09 09:40:02 I've got 60 patches to go through tonight :) Sep 09 09:41:56 hi, are there any efforts to make webos run on other mobile HW ? Sep 09 09:42:54 currently, not afaik Sep 09 09:43:12 there have been tries some time ago and ended up in broken hardware Sep 09 09:44:01 it's not simple because webOS isn't opensource Sep 09 09:44:07 is this possible? isnt the mainsystem and driver closedsource? Sep 09 09:44:13 ah k ;) Sep 09 09:44:35 kernel is opensource, but not things like LunaSysMgr/Luna Sep 09 09:45:16 hidd and gl userspace is closed too Sep 09 09:45:44 yeah, all the gpl stuff is opensource, but thats not enough Sep 09 09:46:08 the only components that are opensource (from a license point) are the ones they are forced to because of the license Sep 09 09:46:26 okay Sep 09 09:47:15 isnt Luna just html? Sep 09 09:47:24 no Sep 09 09:47:42 Luna is the component that manages the UI, including webkit (I think) Sep 09 09:48:02 and webkit handles the HTML apps/system UI Sep 09 09:49:26 Is setting EnableAppCache to false the best way to stop webos shitty caching? Sep 09 09:50:32 shitty caching? Sep 09 09:51:00 infinitely caching webpages Sep 09 09:51:59 does it affect performance in any way? Sep 09 09:53:02 increasing the frequency of garbage collection of cache does, but dont think turning caching off. Havent tested much but Sep 09 09:53:07 this setting sounds more like caching apps, but not for the browser Sep 09 09:53:33 its in browser-platform.conf Sep 09 10:04:19 pcworld: why is your patch marked for verizon wireless only? 2.1.0 is on verizon and unlocked Pre 2 devices and the patch applies to boht Sep 09 10:05:09 pcworld: why is it not just an update to the existing Auto BCC patch for 2.1.0 ? Sep 09 10:05:21 I have a non-vzw version of the patch, which includes patches for localization resources Sep 09 10:05:40 I had to remove templates for many languages Sep 09 10:06:09 vzw webOS seems just to include templates for English/Spain Sep 09 10:06:31 does that make sense? Sep 09 10:08:20 rwhitby: the same reason sconix has seperate VZW patches of his advanced patches Sep 09 10:10:06 pcworld: ok, thanks. Sep 09 10:15:28 thanks for approving Sep 09 11:01:25 wat does "unset cfq io scheduler" do? Sep 09 11:05:06 PAinToad, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CFQ Sep 09 11:06:44 would installing it effect battery? Sep 09 13:14:35 hey guys Sep 09 13:20:11 anyone here? Sep 09 13:44:48 oh Sep 09 14:06:28 Got a reply from the BHome author Sep 09 14:19:00 good morning. where can I get some help with an issue after upgrading from webos 1.45 to 2,1? Sep 09 14:26:34 Here Sep 09 14:33:30 Maracas,whatca need Sep 09 14:33:56 Or not.. Sep 09 14:39:04 thank you. I upgraded yesterday my pre plus from 1.45 to 2.1 After that, I had big time problem signing back in to my profile. It just doesnt login. I had to create a new profile to use the phone. Now, once inside, it doesnt setup backup, does not connecto to app catalog, and I have no idea on how to restore my old info from the original profile Sep 09 14:39:05 can anyone tell what happened and how do I fix this issue? Sep 09 14:40:03 is it an AT&T Pre Plus? Sep 09 14:41:02 yes Sep 09 14:41:36 it was att pre plus. i unlocked it and now use it in another country. I've had it for a year next month Sep 09 14:43:17 Arnt you suppose to delete ur old backup prior to upgrade? Sep 09 14:46:00 Following instructions, I disabled backups in my device. About erasing backups in the Palm servers, I have no clue on how to do that. Everytime I access my palm profile from my computer, it just shows my phone info, and last back up date, but no files. Am I doing the right steps? Sep 09 14:47:10 Well first is that you cant transfer data from one palm profile to another Sep 09 14:47:32 Disabling backups is supposed to delete backup at palm profile. Sep 09 14:48:06 Is pre+ still on a us network? Sep 09 14:48:13 did anyone else get burned by this thing? http://forums.precentral.net/hp-touchpad-homebrew/297651-muffle-system-logging-blocking-email-attachments.html Sep 09 14:48:39 Ruumis, nope. I muffle logging via ##logs#. Sep 09 14:48:41 well, then I did, but after doing everything, it just wont login to palm profile at welcome screen Sep 09 14:49:46 Whats the exact error Sep 09 14:53:05 at sign in, it doesn sign in with my original profile. It says that it cannot restore data, to try again later. If I create a new profile, it runs fine and activates the phone, but nothing else about the new profile works fine, like it doesnt backup, no access to app catalog. Sep 09 14:54:24 does the touchpad do BT Pan? Sep 09 14:55:00 @ RagingMind no :( Sep 09 14:55:25 well not from the GUI, but neither did any of the phones until freetether Sep 09 14:57:13 NuttyBunny, good morning Sep 09 14:57:26 Hey RagingMind :) Sep 09 15:00:51 So, is there a solution? Sep 09 15:12:30 hello? Sep 09 15:12:38 Hello Sep 09 15:13:52 so, is there a way to get back all my info from my old profile? Sep 09 15:15:08 have you ever logging into a 2.x device with that profile before? Sep 09 15:17:00 no. this was my first time. Before I used to login very easily with a 1.4.5 version Sep 09 15:17:05 Maracas: HP changed the servers. You can't run 2.1.0 on an AT&T Pre+ any more and get profile access. Sep 09 15:17:34 ok. that is nice to know. then, how do I fix this issue? Sep 09 15:17:43 is there a fix? Sep 09 15:17:44 Maracas, stick to 1.4.5 Sep 09 15:18:16 Doctor back to 1.4.5 and log in to your original profile Sep 09 15:18:25 Maracas: either stick to 1.4.5, or learn how to change tokens with Meta-Doctor to make it into a P101UEU ROW Pre+ instead of an AT&T Pre+ (and there's no guarantee that will fix it either) Sep 09 15:18:38 rwhitby, why allow sprint pre- but not att Pre+? Sep 09 15:19:13 Abyssul: because someone's sister's best friend's cat's birthday didn't end in a 2. Sep 09 15:19:20 Gosh, how am I hating HP for what they have done, destroyed PALM and now its products Sep 09 15:20:25 Maracas: you're not alone, believe me Sep 09 15:21:52 I know. I really hope they give the software to another company that will really make things better Sep 09 15:22:52 Just along for the ride... Sep 09 15:23:29 and where could I learn that changing tokens that rwhitby mentions? Sep 09 15:29:00 alo? Sep 09 15:40:53 I am running 2.1.0 on my ATT pre+.. does that mean it would not work if I had to doctor again? what is the problem exactly Maracas? Sep 09 15:41:21 I can't backup but I do have access to app catalog(not webos2 apps obv) Sep 09 15:41:43 I did have to log in to my profile through impostah though Sep 09 15:43:33 It was also my understanding(from stuff rwhitby said at some point) that changing those tokens would not help because once you had activated a device once with HP it remembered which device it was and would not let you change anything Sep 09 15:43:47 but maybe I was wrong about that Sep 09 15:44:02 * haydnh is unpacking hi TP at last! Sep 09 15:45:07 hold on. I am reading Sep 09 15:45:47 Lazar_Dobrescu: yeah, that's why I said there was no guarantee Sep 09 15:47:06 Maracas: when I doctored my phone I could not log in to an existing profile just like you but when I created a new one it did give me app catalog access... maybe that changed Sep 09 15:47:28 rwhitby: no guarantee but you think there's a chance it could work? Sep 09 15:47:31 no, it keeps the same problem. But now I get everyting Sep 09 15:47:57 what keeps the same problem Maracas? Sep 09 15:48:05 HP simply screwed us all up, and does not want us to upgrade, but to buy the new phone Sep 09 15:48:33 Maracas: yeah it's annoying that the only NA GSM pre+ can't get 2.1 :) Sep 09 15:49:42 note that it's not that big an improvement over 1.4.5 when you can't install webos 2 apps anyhow, which you could never do on AT&T pre's Sep 09 15:49:50 so take comfort knowing you don't lose that much :) Sep 09 15:50:04 then, thank you rwithby and lazar. I will try it out for until sunday, if I can get it running almost like before, then I'll keep it, if not, I will do a rollback to 1.4.5 Sep 09 15:50:15 Maracas: did you try though impostah? Sep 09 15:50:38 No, I havent tried impostah. how do I try it, and what difference will it make? Sep 09 15:51:05 it did allow me to log on to an existing account when I had the same error at activation screen Sep 09 15:51:17 basically I created a new one, but then installed impostah and used it to log on to my old one Sep 09 15:51:34 Lazar_Dobrescu: was your activation screen error a restore failure? Sep 09 15:51:54 It said cannot restore data just like Maracas said Sep 09 15:52:12 I didnt care bout restored data anyhow I just wanted the apps I had bought to still be available Sep 09 15:52:30 so that worked out ok for me Sep 09 15:53:00 Maracas: sorry bout that, to try it you just install it through preware Sep 09 15:53:08 Lazar_Dobrescu: that's a normal error for upgrades. some backup data is not compatible, and the login fails due to it Sep 09 15:53:48 it did happen for an account that I had created on 2.1 though Sep 09 15:53:51 nothing to do with accepting the login or not, purely a backup restore issue. if you meta-doctor with developer mode already on you can see the corresponding error message in /var/log/messages when it happens Sep 09 15:53:54 rwithby, but it also doesnt make backups afterward Sep 09 15:54:12 like, I doctored to 2.1, created an account, then immediately re-doctored to 2.1 and could not restore Sep 09 15:54:24 but maybe it's because backups no longer work so I don't know Sep 09 15:54:26 the not making backups is due to the server change to exclude devices not authorised by the carrier for 2.x Sep 09 15:54:40 yep.. I definitely can't do backups Sep 09 15:54:46 but that's a very lesser pain imo Sep 09 15:55:13 rwhitby: does this affect sprint pre2's? Sep 09 15:56:04 I think it only affects, AT&T, Bell, Telcel and WR pre(+) Sep 09 15:56:48 doubledub-pre2: no Sep 09 15:57:01 rwhitby: thx Sep 09 15:57:24 ok. so rwhitby, one last question, how do I restore my old apps from this point? Sep 09 15:57:33 doubledub-pre2: of course that answer may be valid today but not tomorrow, since it's determined server-side Sep 09 15:57:50 Maracas: if you're not using the same profile you can't get your paid apps Sep 09 15:57:56 without paying again Sep 09 15:58:04 Understood. Sep 09 15:58:14 ok. sucks, but ok Sep 09 15:58:43 and to get back to my old profile, if it still gives me signin problem? Sep 09 15:59:22 did you try impostah? with what rwhitby just said it seems doubtful but worth a shot :) Sep 09 15:59:29 otherwise the answer is go back to 1.4.5 Sep 09 15:59:47 OK, how do I impostah? Sep 09 15:59:54 install it from preware Sep 09 16:00:06 does impostah allow me to get my old apps? Sep 09 16:00:16 if it allows you to sign in to your profile Sep 09 16:00:25 it will allow you to (manually) redownload em for free Sep 09 16:00:49 ok. I will give it a try. Preware. I will find it there Sep 09 16:02:30 will you please remind me how to install preware? I have to enable developer mode, correct? How do I enable developer mode in 2.1? Sep 09 16:02:49 same way, upupdowndownleftrightleftrightbastart Sep 09 16:02:57 then install it using WebOS Quick Install Sep 09 16:04:05 didnt work the upupdowndown...blah. It opened the web brower Sep 09 16:04:59 for preware install, see http://bit.ly/phd-ac Sep 09 16:05:01 in 1.4.5 it was 2001 something, ? Sep 09 16:06:22 wow I am surprised how easy it's to use the widgets within the webos sdk once you understood their anatomy o_o Sep 09 16:07:03 20090606 Sep 09 16:07:21 upupdowndownleftrightleftrightbastart ;) Sep 09 16:07:30 webos20090606 Sep 09 16:08:11 Or get the app rwhitby suggested. Sep 09 16:08:20 got it Sep 09 16:08:25 wow.... f15 kills f4 in boot times :) Sep 09 16:08:32 thanks uNiXpSyChO|Zzzzz!!!!! Sep 09 16:10:10 great. now I will try it and see what happenes Sep 09 16:12:04 It's like christmas here today - so many parcels to open! Sep 09 16:12:48 haydnh: was the same here yesterday - an extra touchpad and Pre 3 :) Sep 09 16:14:16 TP, TP touchstone, TP case, Pre charger, Pre touchstone and new wireless router all turned up on same day... Sep 09 16:14:42 nice Sep 09 16:14:57 rats. Now it wont install Preware. Any error message Sep 09 16:16:54 rwhitby: how is the pre3? is it worth dropping $600 to get one from england? Sep 09 16:18:03 r Sep 09 16:18:06 with only 5.x GB available flash and about 300-350 MB available RAM I think not Sep 09 16:18:32 worse than on Pre2 Sep 09 16:19:56 I love mine, much better than my Pre- Sep 09 16:21:59 rwhitby: is the pre3 good? or is it just a big pre2? Sep 09 16:22:05 s/good/better/ Sep 09 16:22:06 PatrickC meant: rwhitby: is the pre3 better? or is it just a big pre2? Sep 09 16:22:56 gosh. I am getting an error while trying to install preware on my phone. Sep 09 16:23:21 what error? Sep 09 16:23:28 Quick Install? Sep 09 16:24:29 yes. quick install is giving an error while trying to install preware Sep 09 16:24:49 Lazar, still here? Sep 09 16:26:36 "an error" isn't specific Sep 09 16:28:19 that is all it says. a big pop-up window with ERROR inside. If I could post the screen image you could see it Sep 09 16:30:48 Maracas: what version of Quick Install are you using? Sep 09 16:33:19 3.14 and if you have been looking at my thread, yesterday I upgraded to webos 2.1 Sep 09 16:34:07 gosh, this is becoming a giant mess Sep 09 16:34:11 3.14?! that's old Sep 09 16:34:16 4.3 is the newest Sep 09 16:34:34 IIRC Sep 09 16:34:35 and where do I find it? Sep 09 16:34:42 yes, http://bit.ly/phd-ac recommends 4.x Sep 09 16:35:15 rwhitby: you're still here 'cause it's saturday over there, right? :) Sep 09 16:36:14 found it. downloading it. will check if it fixes the thing Sep 09 16:38:59 I will buy the document. dont worry Sep 09 16:39:01 NuttyBunny: yep, and I'm doing some intricate meta-doctoring on a special Pre 3 Sep 09 16:39:19 now, I cant find preware in the new webos quick install Sep 09 16:39:47 we're still on friday morning over here.. *sigh* Sep 09 16:39:49 http://install.preware.org - use one of the other methods. Sep 09 16:41:11 NuttyBunny: in 25 minutes it'll be Friday Afternoon ;) Sep 09 16:46:12 rwhitby: wow, pre3 has only 380 useable RAM for webos? that's a lot less than pre2 :( Sep 09 16:47:18 ouch... that's a pretty large memory bite for a qualcomm Sep 09 16:47:29 (pre2 had a separate radio chip) Sep 09 16:47:34 err and a lot less than pre+ (ouch) :) not much more than pre- overall Sep 09 16:48:35 wow.. that's.... just wow Sep 09 16:48:53 * happycube would've liked the touchpad to have omap4 Sep 09 16:49:02 I just don't get who decided that less than 1 gb made sense for a device with RAM shared to baseband Sep 09 16:49:11 ok, found it and trying out. wait a few to test what rwithby and lazar have recommended Sep 09 16:49:28 most android devices have <=512mb. the g1 only had 192mb... shared. Sep 09 16:49:59 happycube: yes but webos is notoriously inefficient with RAM Sep 09 16:50:28 and most android devices weren't intended for simultaneous multitasking ala webos either Sep 09 16:50:36 yup Sep 09 16:51:51 * rwhitby bbt Sep 09 16:52:08 k Sep 09 16:52:18 agreed - 1gb ram would make sense for pre3 Sep 09 16:53:38 I would like to see 1.5GB ;) Sep 09 16:54:55 ok. finally ran impostah. Now, looking at my original profile, what does accountstate with B stand for? Sep 09 16:55:04 rwhitby: but why only 5.3GB available flash? I don't think GPU and the like are using the flash drive... Sep 09 16:56:25 pcworld: qualcomm also uses a good deal of the flash as well Sep 09 16:56:48 2GB?! Sep 09 16:57:12 well and some is the operating system and database storage partitions, I don't know how it all adds up offhand Sep 09 16:57:26 lazar, you still here? Sep 09 16:58:31 is there a good way to see any changelog for an app cat app? just hope it's in the description? Sep 09 17:00:10 dtzWill: or if they put one in the source... Sep 09 17:02:55 rwhitby? Sep 09 17:03:14 Maracas: did it work? Sep 09 17:04:01 well, I finally got impostah installed, but now I dont know how to get my old info restored. Lazar was helping, but he kind of got lost Sep 09 17:05:02 why do you need Impostah? Sep 09 17:05:38 crap... fsck.vfat is sloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooowwww!! Sep 09 17:06:45 because I upgraded my pre plus to webos 2.1 yesterday, and I havent been able, at first, to access my original profile, so I had to create a new profile, and then, I havent been able to restore all my apps from my original profile into the new profile Sep 09 17:07:44 hmm.. did you erase backup data before doctoring? Sep 09 17:08:05 yes. Sep 09 17:08:17 Maracas: did you try activation menu from impostah? Sep 09 17:08:50 you can enter an email and password to login to a profile thyere Sep 09 17:09:04 also rwhitby recommended to change tokens, but dont know how on that part. But still, dont know from here, how to restore my old profile Sep 09 17:15:23 hi everybody ^^ Sep 09 17:16:28 i search a keyboard pliant bluetooth compatible hp touchpad !! Sep 09 17:16:50 i m not sure does exist Sep 09 17:17:45 by exist do you mean is not backordered or exists somewhere is good enough? Sep 09 17:18:14 also I think #touchpad would be a better place to ask :) Sep 09 17:19:25 in any case HP did make one... it's sold out in a lot of stores though Sep 09 17:19:51 you can also use most any bluetooth keyboard, doesn't have to be the HP one Sep 09 17:21:22 http://kb.hpwebos.com/wps/portal/kb2/na/touchpad/touchpad/wifi/solutions/article/21765_en.html#N1011B Sep 09 18:21:44 why aren't they using ext4 instead of ext3 for the partition to place ubuntu? Sep 09 18:23:38 No support for ext4 in the kernel Sep 09 19:05:04 discord: Also no reiserfs because we don't want subliminal messages in the logs causing people to murder their wives. Sep 09 19:42:20 wrea, you know in pre-ware you can flash a kernel that supports EXT4 yea? Sep 09 19:42:45 its just a config flag in the kernel config Sep 09 19:46:38 I know Sep 09 19:47:33 Can someone help me with creating a patch? I was working on a way to make PDF files render better on the touchpad, and it seems it can be done by changing two parameters in the com.quickoffice.ar app Sep 09 19:50:11 is anyone rocking 1.9ghz stable yet? I'm on f15 1.8 now.. Sep 09 19:50:25 F4 i mean Sep 09 19:50:40 F4 Phantom @ 1.8 is pretty stable.. Sep 09 19:52:17 bikr_: I run F15, but I normally run bleeding edge :) Sep 09 19:52:27 sagi__, Sit around for a bit. someone will help you. Sep 09 19:52:40 PatrickC: Have you been stable at 1.9? Sep 09 19:52:44 Im running ubder at 1.5 Sep 09 19:52:51 i was @ 1.9 Sep 09 19:52:51 bikr_: it seems so, yes Sep 09 19:52:52 rhcp[linux]: sure, thanks. Sep 09 19:52:54 its stable Sep 09 19:53:01 nebula, might be able to help you Sep 09 19:53:04 he knows his way Sep 09 19:53:04 sagi__: what do you need help with? Sep 09 19:57:44 I thought you only had to create a normal .patch file... Sep 09 19:58:31 PatrickC: I know what file I want to patch and I can look at the source code of existing patches to figure out syntax etc. My question is about /var/palm/jail. Seems like quickoffice directories are mounted as /dev/root -> /var/palm/jail/media/cryptofs/... So applying this patch requires LunaRestart to make it work. I think I should be modifying the file in /media/cryptofs/... and then it should be remounted under /var/palm/jail after the Sep 09 19:58:31 next restart? Not sure how the /var/palm/jail thing works. Sep 09 19:59:30 a patch will always require a luna restart, no matter what it edits, if what's what you were asking? Sep 09 20:00:56 OK. So it's not because of /var/palm/jail. That answers my question I guess. Thanks. Sep 09 21:02:16 hi guys :D Sep 09 21:02:33 at what price is the HP Pre 3 a "bargain" ? Sep 09 21:18:54 Under 100 (insert currency) imo Sep 09 21:26:17 hey, how does one set overclocking on both cores? Sep 09 21:26:59 I am stuck with one core having overclocking dpeed Sep 09 21:36:40 Boopop: uh since it's probably MSRP of $600 off contract, so the ~$270'ish off contract on the euro store is a really good deal Sep 09 21:37:49 hi everyone i just ordered a veer from the us new inside box. can someone tell me if i can activate the device without a at&t card? Sep 09 21:37:55 Boopop: consider that handsets are generally much more expensive than tablets (miniaturization costs money) Sep 09 21:38:38 eurisko: you discover? :) Sep 09 21:39:12 eurisko: yes you can using the ##DEVMODE# bypass and the Impostah application Sep 09 21:39:54 thanks, destinal Sep 09 21:40:06 i am so happy :) can't wait to get it Sep 09 21:41:10 eurisko: veer is a really cool device IMO (amazing what they can pack into such a small package) Sep 09 21:41:36 Hmm. I'm trying to do make package on pcre and the originating ipkg is not available anymore Sep 09 21:43:47 destinal, yeah 800mhz inside such a small thing it's incredible! Sep 09 21:44:07 i just hope it doesn't toast my hands :) Sep 09 21:48:05 eurisko: I think you can overclock it to 1.1ghz but the kernel to do that is still in our testing feeds Sep 09 21:48:50 that one might make it warmer though :) Sep 09 21:49:35 Great for the winter Sep 09 21:49:49 hum? i think it's better to run it at stock speed Sep 09 21:49:55 or is it underclocked? Sep 09 21:51:12 eurisko: it's the scorpion MSM7230, rated for 800mhz so yeah you're probably right, in general Sep 09 21:56:10 Also consider that the OS is probably dead destinal xD Sep 09 21:56:18 Or it seems that way to me...Samsung doesn't want it Sep 09 21:56:22 I can't see anyone else wanting it Sep 09 21:56:53 Sure HP can support it but without any licensees it's pointless Sep 09 21:57:00 hey, dont forget printers! Sep 09 21:57:35 * cat-xeger *shrugs* Sep 09 21:57:47 I'll give it a while yet. Sep 09 21:58:59 I'd say give it 3 months Sep 09 21:59:00 6 tops Sep 09 21:59:03 then it's dead Sep 09 21:59:09 and buried Sep 09 21:59:27 especially if WP7 picks up Sep 09 21:59:48 Windows Phone + Windows 8 combo looks pretty enticing Sep 09 22:00:57 One could only imagine what could be accomplished with WebOS's source. Sep 09 22:10:07 Boopop do you really think wp7 will ever pick up? Sep 09 22:12:55 It's possible Sep 09 22:13:09 Heck, it's got more chance than wOS picking up! Sep 09 22:13:26 I think if they get some good tablets out, and people have a play about with metroUI on Windows 8, and like it Sep 09 22:13:49 well my think they have the same chances, and they are close to none Sep 09 22:13:53 the idea of having a desktop, tablet and smartphone that are similar to eachother like that is appealing Sep 09 22:14:14 however windows 8 isn't going to be released for a while Sep 09 22:14:17 windows 8 and windows phone will explode Sep 09 22:14:18 everyone hates micro$oft, the ui it's not that great and they need great hardware to run it Sep 09 22:14:34 "Everyone hates micro$oft" Sep 09 22:14:35 lol Sep 09 22:15:03 windows 8 on touchpad, anyone? Sep 09 22:15:07 Sorry but that's just made me not take your opinion too seriously >.< Sep 09 22:15:15 eheh Sep 09 22:15:22 but it's my perception Sep 09 22:15:33 Hate's a very strong word, if everyone hated MS, they would have got out of business a decade ago Sep 09 22:15:50 it's like women Boopop Sep 09 22:16:06 everyone complains about them, but everyone keeps them arround Sep 09 22:16:18 Personally I think that metroUI is pretty unique and interesting Sep 09 22:16:38 by putting windows 8 on ARM Sep 09 22:16:47 they're bringing the phone and computer platforms together Sep 09 22:16:49 a smart move Sep 09 22:16:51 that can be neat Sep 09 22:17:10 Plus the things they're doing with Windows 8 look good Sep 09 22:17:12 faster boot times Sep 09 22:17:20 improved file transfer dialogs (AT LAST) Sep 09 22:17:33 microsoft had been doing quite a nice things lately, the sources of the xp kernel are open for the academy for example? i really like them a little more now :) Sep 09 22:17:52 A MS OS I'm looking forward to...shocking Sep 09 22:17:56 I completely skipped Vista Sep 09 22:17:59 well, not skipped Sep 09 22:18:03 but it was never my main OS Sep 09 22:18:06 i like windows 7, it's installed on my laptop Sep 09 22:18:20 and windows server 2008 r2 was a great evolution Sep 09 22:18:33 I've got WHS on my server xD Sep 09 22:18:43 but come on? it's true everyone hates them Sep 09 22:18:45 couldn't be bothered with a proper enterprise-y server OS Sep 09 22:19:58 lately i have been programming for windows ce, and itsn that bad? the problem is vs.. that sucks hard Sep 09 22:20:15 Really? I quite like VS Sep 09 22:20:22 i hate it Sep 09 22:20:25 I've dabbled in Eclipse and Netbeans Sep 09 22:20:31 I preferred VS Sep 09 22:20:45 Netbeans royally screwed me over for my web services coursework at uni Sep 09 22:20:46 i used eclipse, xcode and vi+ makefile Sep 09 22:20:58 vs is the worst Sep 09 22:21:16 Well I'm trying to get a job as a C# developer so... :P Sep 09 22:21:24 deployment to the smartdevices are always failing Sep 09 22:21:36 i am coding c/c++ to win ce Sep 09 22:21:44 sometimes i do some wrappers in c# Sep 09 22:21:51 but mainly i am hating the job Sep 09 22:21:59 bummer Sep 09 22:22:00 it's just a summer job (thnak god) Sep 09 22:22:05 I did badly in my C course Sep 09 22:22:05 :) Sep 09 22:22:13 haven't tried C++ Sep 09 22:22:42 skip it Sep 09 22:22:49 lol Sep 09 22:22:50 lol Sep 09 22:23:00 The guy who taught C said C++ was a horrible language Sep 09 22:23:06 i think it nowadays it doesn't have any major interest Sep 09 22:23:25 thing is if it's the most widely used language, whether it's horrible or not doesn't really come into it Sep 09 22:23:35 however there seems to be plenty of C# jobs Sep 09 22:23:37 well Sep 09 22:23:42 i doubt it's the most used language Sep 09 22:23:42 hopefully plenty enough that I get hired! Sep 09 22:23:43 Boopop: eurisko doesn't want you competing for his job Sep 09 22:23:52 True :D Sep 09 22:24:04 on the spot where i am working i am coding in c/c++ mainly Sep 09 22:24:07 But then he doesn't even know what country I'm in xD Sep 09 22:24:15 the other guys everyone is coding in c#/java Sep 09 22:24:32 brb Sep 09 22:28:34 back as i was saying the guys from my college from informatics don't learn c++ neither i do in electrical engineering Sep 09 22:29:48 only c , java and python on my course. on informatics they also learn c# Sep 09 22:33:28 Hi, did anyone here tryied http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Accelerometer ? Sep 09 22:34:36 When I SIGINT the program, the accelerometer is not handled by webos anymore. Sep 09 22:35:05 even when I  HidEventDeInit(); Sep 09 22:35:05 HidEventClose(pHandle); Sep 09 22:35:50 (handling SIGINT). Sep 09 22:36:13 Same goes for the buttons. Sep 09 22:36:40 hello Sep 09 22:58:54 does someone know if it's possible to perminately change the part number of my touchpad? Sep 09 23:21:27 m0ngr31: yes, it is -- oh, you're gone Sep 09 23:46:34 so i have a demo unit that i had to activate through impostah. is there a way to force it to download all my apps like use the first use app? Sep 09 23:51:46 erase the backup and the device and then go through the first use proces Sep 10 00:07:44 hello, i need help with my frankenpre Sep 10 00:30:12 alexjackwebos: what's up? Sep 10 00:31:50 I swapped the comm board from my sprint pre to a GSM unlocked pre 2, can i activate the old pre- with t-mobile? Sep 10 00:32:47 depends on the bands Sep 10 00:33:09 what do you mean Sep 10 00:33:10 with GSM there is no "activation" - just put in a sim and it will work on the bands that the comms board supports Sep 10 00:33:26 gsm & umts frequency bands Sep 10 00:34:26 but using the pre2 gsm comm board/bezel in the pre- will work? Sep 10 00:34:41 yes Sep 10 00:35:14 okay, thanks for you help Sep 10 00:36:18 anyone using f15c kernel on touchpad? Sep 10 00:39:58 those people that are alpha testing that experimental kernel, yes. Sep 10 00:41:11 so i have a demo unit that i had to activate through impostah. is there a way to force it to download all my apps like use the first use app? Sep 10 00:45:08 I'm trying to find a decent terminal/ssh program for touchpad and keep coming up with old useless info, help? Sep 10 00:45:35 i_is_cat, define "decent"? Sep 10 00:45:42 anything Sep 10 00:45:45 and what criteria are you looking for. Sep 10 00:46:04 i_is_cat: xecutah in testing.preware.org Sep 10 00:46:58 rwhitby: I think that url is what I've been looking for Sep 10 00:49:38 wut up homies Sep 10 00:50:07 * rwhitby indeed is at home ;) Sep 10 00:50:35 don't mock my american urban slang :o Sep 10 00:50:47 Is anyone aware of a free MSN messenger app? Sep 10 00:51:00 I don't want to pay like $4 for the one on the market. Sep 10 00:51:46 ok so I've beentothat page and I've read the rules, I've added the first repo but don't see xecutah... Sep 10 00:51:52 what's the deal? Sep 10 00:52:14 Especially as the market one has some iffy reviews. Sep 10 00:53:02 :/ *two* feeds? forsonofa Sep 10 00:55:12 ahhh its there, thanks ;) Sep 10 01:01:30 awww no xhost :( Sep 10 01:08:51 manatee_, what market would that be? Sep 10 01:15:24 I've got a nub question concerning webos profiles and multiple devices Sep 10 01:15:45 fire away Sep 10 01:15:52 I have a pixi+ where so far I've done all my webosing Sep 10 01:15:52 maybe someone will know the answer Sep 10 01:16:17 I just got a pre2, does that kill my apps and such on the pixi? Sep 10 01:16:36 if you sign it into the same profile without logging out on the pixi, yes Sep 10 01:16:42 Can I have more than one acti be device at a time with my profile? Sep 10 01:16:57 I believe not Sep 10 01:16:58 Oh okay, so its one or the other? Sep 10 01:17:06 at a time, yes Sep 10 01:17:40 Fair I suppose. What about 1.4.X apps, are the newer versions of webos backwards compatible? Sep 10 01:17:51 yes Sep 10 01:18:01 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/StopDeviceWipe might be of interest Sep 10 01:19:16 I guess what I'm asking is that I don't have to repurchase everything Sep 10 01:19:22 correct Sep 10 01:19:31 And will I keep my pixi apps? Sep 10 01:19:38 it is the account that is allowed to download or not Sep 10 01:19:51 Ahh okay. Sep 10 01:20:15 Just don't want to lose anything, you know? Sep 10 01:20:29 No idea if I'll keep the pre2 yet Sep 10 01:51:45 hi I'm wanting to install Christ to my tochpad Sep 10 01:51:58 lol chroot Sep 10 01:52:07 not christ Sep 10 01:52:13 sorry, it comes pre-installed with anti-christ... those two don't mix Sep 10 01:52:20 ubuntu Sep 10 01:52:32 christian edition or satanic? Sep 10 01:52:51 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/UbuntuChroot Sep 10 01:52:56 yah Sep 10 01:53:05 I'm following that Sep 10 01:53:35 but it says that metadoctor will blank my tp Sep 10 01:53:44 yep Sep 10 01:54:10 tony_, i went through that xD Sep 10 01:54:16 how do I backup my installed appss Sep 10 01:54:23 it shouldn't, rwhitby says it does sometimes Sep 10 01:54:31 was it easy Sep 10 01:54:32 you can always resize though Sep 10 01:54:45 the stuff in the palm catalog will be pulled down automatically Sep 10 01:54:55 if you have preware, you can save a list of the installed apps Sep 10 01:55:07 and if you save/restore that list, you can reload them later Sep 10 01:55:16 what size should I make it Sep 10 02:00:42 Greetings Sep 10 02:01:39 hello Sep 10 02:01:39 hey Sep 10 02:05:24 okay I'm editing makefilenfor meta should I uncomment the var line too? Sep 10 02:05:33 Quick question… is there any way to send commands through novaterm without having to go into novaterm itself? Sep 10 02:06:02 hey im having trouble getting novacom boot:// to work any idea what is wrong Sep 10 02:06:10 where does prepare store package list? Sep 10 02:06:20 the only thing i can think of that has changed is I'm using a different usb cable since i lost my touchpad one Sep 10 02:06:25 it should still work right Sep 10 02:08:17 vinylfreak89: novacom boot mem:// > uImage ? Sep 10 02:08:25 correct Sep 10 02:08:27 (I think its > it might be < ) Sep 10 02:08:34 yes i know Sep 10 02:08:38 it runs the command and just hangs Sep 10 02:08:44 oh wait Sep 10 02:08:46 im a dummy Sep 10 02:08:48 i forgot the < Sep 10 02:08:52 lol Sep 10 02:09:46 is there being any work done for cpu temp fornyhe Sep 10 02:09:49 the touchpad Sep 10 02:10:01 so I'm gonna make the extfs 4gb should I increase swap or var Sep 10 02:10:10 man I can't type on this thing Sep 10 02:10:23 I haven't noticed there being much overheating on mine Sep 10 02:10:36 govnah currently shows battery temp Sep 10 02:10:52 so its not too accurate Sep 10 02:11:26 lm-sensors in ubuntu didn't work haha as I thought it wouldnt Sep 10 02:12:34 where in the filesystem does prepare store the package list? Sep 10 02:13:13 I can't find any really good commands list of novacom… novacom/novaterm --help is like nothing Sep 10 02:13:59 trsohmers: what cmd are you looking for? Sep 10 02:15:02 some way to be able to run a shell command on the device, with novaterm, but without entering the device shell Sep 10 02:15:22 XTerm? Sep 10 02:15:36 I'm kinda lost at running a shell without being in the devices shell :) Sep 10 02:15:53 running a single line command Sep 10 02:15:56 there is a way to do that. iirc its something like novacom open file:///bin/ls Sep 10 02:16:09 either open or run i think. Sep 10 02:16:15 run Sep 10 02:17:18 look at the metadoctor's backup target fi you want an example, iirc Sep 10 02:18:44 Cool, thanks Sep 10 02:25:25 Any here to help with a question? Sep 10 02:25:48 don't ask to ask. just ask the question :) Sep 10 02:26:01 ok thanks :] Sep 10 02:26:14 PatrickC: ~asktoask is the cool thing to do Sep 10 02:26:31 Tibfib: ah. didn't know about that Sep 10 02:26:44 but infobot isn't on right now Sep 10 02:28:01 Trying to install ubuntu on my touchpad but for some reason its not showing in the preware... And neither is servers. I have enabled webOS interals any ideas? Sep 10 02:28:19 do you have the testing feeds? Sep 10 02:28:42 yeah Sep 10 02:29:04 and are on 3.0.2 (I think is the minimum..) Sep 10 02:29:53 says 1.7.5 ! Sep 10 02:30:02 webOS* Sep 10 02:30:10 webOS 3.0.2 Sep 10 02:30:55 sorry lol yeah on 3.0.2 Sep 10 02:31:22 what are the URLs for the testing feeds going to double check? Sep 10 02:32:10 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Testing_Feeds Sep 10 02:34:50 just added and updated http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/all/ still no ubuntu showing Sep 10 02:35:05 hmm... Sep 10 02:35:15 lemme check on my touchpad Sep 10 02:35:46 i see it Sep 10 02:35:54 thanks a lot Sep 10 02:36:02 check in Other -> Linux Applications -> All Sep 10 02:36:08 no problem Sep 10 02:37:44 I have no other folder but in linux applications its not listed Sep 10 02:40:01 thinking of trying it manually went to the url http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/all/ and found the IPKs Sep 10 02:41:11 in the main screen of preware, there isnt a list item called "Available Other'? Sep 10 02:42:18 No just available, installed and everything Sep 10 02:42:33 and updates greyed out Sep 10 02:42:35 ah, u have it set up that way :) Sep 10 02:42:38 go into Available Sep 10 02:42:43 (let me set mine up that way) Sep 10 02:42:57 ok thanks Sep 10 02:43:06 then go to "Linux Applications" Sep 10 02:43:13 then "All" Sep 10 02:43:32 should be the third or fourth one down Sep 10 02:45:04 there are 19 files listed all apps like hulu etc Sep 10 02:46:22 hmm. i have 22 Sep 10 02:46:38 add the /armv7 link too Sep 10 02:46:44 it /might/ be in there Sep 10 02:46:47 not sure Sep 10 02:46:50 here goes I'm gonna do mete doctor wish me luck Sep 10 02:48:53 tony_, trying to get ext3fs? Sep 10 02:50:41 Jack87, i got ubuntu working :) Sep 10 02:50:55 PatrickC, Awesome! Sep 10 02:53:33 yes Sep 10 02:53:40 I am Sep 10 02:53:52 cool Sep 10 02:54:03 its taking 4ever to build Sep 10 02:54:30 It was under arm7 thanks again for your help Patrick :] Sep 10 02:54:47 liddle: no problem! :) Sep 10 02:54:51 glad we got it fixed! Sep 10 02:55:17 Yeah I can finally sleep now lol Sep 10 02:55:23 lol Sep 10 02:55:25 'night Sep 10 02:55:40 night **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Sep 10 02:59:58 2011