**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Sep 11 02:59:56 2011 Sep 11 03:27:08 has anyone heard any reports of duplicate profiles after upgrading to a sprint frankenpre2? My profile is active twice on my phone and all my contacts and notes and tasks and everything is all doubled >< Sep 11 03:43:08 so i cant even doctor my stock unlocked pre2 with the actual doctor Sep 11 03:44:15 lupos: why's that? Sep 11 03:44:26 dunno. it always freezes at 54% Sep 11 03:44:41 ive tried in lunbuntu with command line and regular and in windows Sep 11 03:44:47 always fails at 54 Sep 11 03:45:04 on snap it just jumped ot 56.... Sep 11 03:45:18 the instructions said it should stop on 54 more than 30 seconds.... Sep 11 03:46:28 wait im a liar... thats 52... der Sep 11 03:46:37 ok its just very slow i supose... Sep 11 03:47:14 yeah, doctors take a while Sep 11 03:47:28 lupos: also it can be handy to run it from the command line with java -jar webosdoctorwhatever.jar Sep 11 03:47:36 so you can actually see the real output of what's going on Sep 11 03:47:59 totally just died on 56 Sep 11 03:48:00 weird Sep 11 03:48:07 ill try the command line in windows Sep 11 03:48:14 lupos: that's fine Sep 11 03:48:17 anyone know a good place to find some new kernel guinea^H^H^H^H^H^H testers? Sep 11 03:48:29 ^H^H^H^ Sep 11 03:48:49 a pet store has guinea pigs Sep 11 03:51:00 cryptk|offline: gee, thanks for the Pro Tip Sep 11 03:51:30 s/cryptk|offline/crimsonredmk/ Sep 11 03:51:31 turbo_ meant: crimsonredmk: gee, thanks for the Pro Tip Sep 11 03:51:37 damn colloquy Sep 11 03:51:52 lol Sep 11 03:52:07 do you have it all nicely packaged up? Sep 11 03:52:12 i've got a touchpad Sep 11 03:54:02 crimsonredmk: nope, it needs to be started with novacom. Sep 11 03:54:09 that's fine too Sep 11 03:54:20 even better Sep 11 03:54:27 I have a kernel build env setup but not one for the packages yet, I just started messing with it yesterday Sep 11 03:54:29 i'll be your piglet Sep 11 04:03:28 sup Sep 11 05:20:04 still no luck doctoring a pre2 (unlocked gsm) http://pastebin.com/HaurknYA any ideas? Sep 11 05:27:34 lupos: wow that looks bad Sep 11 05:27:54 fffuuuuu.... :( Sep 11 05:28:53 looks like it can't talk to the device, what OS is thisd? Sep 11 05:29:34 the doctor is for 2.1.0 on the pre2 gsm Sep 11 05:29:52 lupos: host operating system Sep 11 05:29:54 on your PC Sep 11 05:30:03 oh Sep 11 05:30:08 windows 7 64bit Sep 11 05:30:25 is there a working terminal for the touchpad yet? Sep 11 05:36:07 lupos: did you reboot the device into the USB logo screen? Sep 11 05:37:10 yup Sep 11 05:37:43 lupos: also you may want to go into the services control panel and restart the Palm Novacom service Sep 11 05:37:53 wers Sep 11 05:38:59 Hi all. How do I get some help with a patch? There's no link or contact info for the patch in Preware =/ Sep 11 05:39:35 CardShark: depends on if anyone here knows anything about it, but go ahead and describe the problem and someone might Sep 11 05:40:06 I'm on a TouchPad. It's the "Download Link" patch for the browser. It adds an option to the context menu to download instead of launch. Sep 11 05:40:15 The option shows up in the context menu, but nothing happens when I tap it. Sep 11 05:43:00 CardShark: what version of webos and have you tried to update to the latest version in preware (if there is one) Sep 11 05:43:22 3.0.2, and no updates show for it. Sep 11 05:43:23 err latest version of the patch, in preware I mean Sep 11 05:43:52 hmmm, don't know. is there an email address on the patch? Sep 11 05:43:55 One thing I didn't try was uninstall/reinstall. Sep 11 05:44:06 No. :( It's from ahleksb. Sep 11 05:44:17 Lemme go and try an un/re... Sep 11 05:44:43 Doh! Needs a Luna restart. I shall return!! Sep 11 05:45:41 kk Sep 11 05:54:17 restarted the nocacom. still no dice Sep 11 05:54:20 same errors Sep 11 06:13:11 hello Sep 11 06:14:28 hmm my prewar curl can't download uberkernel package properly Sep 11 06:14:34 preware* Sep 11 06:15:39 it stops at 2048kb :( Sep 11 06:18:40 any idea? Sep 11 08:04:27 has anyone else ran into this yet? Sep 11 08:04:29 http://forums.precentral.net/webos-discussion/298326-enyo-pre-pre2-veer-working.html Sep 11 08:06:21 wow, cool Sep 11 08:09:59 Nice Sep 11 08:21:46 anyone have insight into how apps usually handle the back command? Sep 11 08:22:00 is it done at a scene level, or a stage level? Sep 11 08:32:02 pro-tip don't mess up your patch when you are modifying Mojo core frameworks Sep 11 08:32:29 that sounds like lessons learned the hard way ? Sep 11 08:32:40 well I didn't have to doctor at least :) Sep 11 08:33:05 Preware wouldn't show UI though Sep 11 08:41:37 anyone know what the catalog is called within the /usr/palm/applications dir? Sep 11 08:41:46 oris it even stored there? Sep 11 08:42:34 did you lookin /media/cryptofs/applications? Sep 11 08:43:49 gyrojoe, negative. think its in there? Sep 11 08:44:05 ya not in there Sep 11 08:44:36 com.palm.app.enyo-findapps Sep 11 08:44:40 think that's it Sep 11 08:45:18 "title": "HP App Catalog", Sep 11 08:45:20 yep Sep 11 08:46:57 gyrojoe, thank you sir Sep 11 08:48:09 gyrojoe, what dir was that in? Sep 11 08:48:20 /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.enyo-findapps Sep 11 08:48:20 im not having any luck locating it within the pre3 doctor Sep 11 08:48:31 oh boy. Sep 11 08:48:41 I don't think it will be in the doctor Sep 11 08:48:51 gyrojoe, you are right Sep 11 08:49:00 i guess i can try installing it from my touchpad Sep 11 08:49:00 I think it gets downloaded when you setup Sep 11 08:49:06 trying to put it in the pre2 and see what happens Sep 11 08:50:30 you are a brave person Sep 11 08:50:57 eh there is always a nice webos doctor i can run to resolve any issues if needed Sep 11 08:51:29 I'd be worried about the Palm Profile Sep 11 08:51:55 hi everyone Sep 11 08:51:59 its already attached to a TP Sep 11 08:52:03 i'm having some problems, are any fo you free to help me out? Sep 11 08:52:25 that depends what your problem is I guess Sep 11 08:52:39 i'm attempting to overclock my touchpad Sep 11 08:52:47 If your problem, for example, is that you have too much money, we can help with that Sep 11 08:52:53 :) Sep 11 08:53:00 and i've ran in to an unfortunate problem Sep 11 08:53:12 that's not true i'm afriad Sep 11 08:53:40 i've been following this guide Sep 11 08:53:41 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1230912 Sep 11 08:53:55 i've got to the bit where i add those feeds Sep 11 08:54:13 i've done that, preware is running and all i'm getting is Sep 11 08:54:45 downloading feed information. Downloading http://ipkg.preware.org.feeds/optware/armv7/packages.gz Sep 11 08:54:54 it's been stuck on there for about 15-20 minutes Sep 11 08:55:14 gyrojoe, the app dir itself doesnt store any data right? Sep 11 08:55:36 Jack87: not usually, I think it's readonly in the jail Sep 11 08:56:04 maybe i should restrart the touchpad Sep 11 08:56:05 GWF - is this a recurring problem? Sep 11 08:56:12 yeah Sep 11 08:56:22 i'll restart the touchpad and see what happens Sep 11 08:56:35 well that url is wrong Sep 11 08:56:38 did you mistype it? Sep 11 08:56:46 maybe i did Sep 11 08:56:51 i didn tknow the url was wrong Sep 11 08:56:58 it's .org/feeds Sep 11 08:57:02 not .org.feeds Sep 11 08:57:08 hold on a sec, i'll let the touchpad boot up Sep 11 08:57:13 ah yeah,i typed it wrong in here Sep 11 08:57:34 i haven't had much sleep Sep 11 08:58:11 ok right Sep 11 08:58:18 i've started preware again Sep 11 08:58:22 it's saying the same thing Sep 11 08:58:53 brb though Sep 11 09:06:51 ok Sep 11 09:07:02 when it tries downloading the feed information it fails Sep 11 09:07:21 your network is working? Sep 11 09:07:30 from http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/optware/armv7/Packages.gz Sep 11 09:07:32 yeah Sep 11 09:07:44 the same network as i'm using to chat on irc Sep 11 09:07:49 what happens if you go to http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/optware/armv7/ Sep 11 09:07:52 in the browser Sep 11 09:08:00 fine Sep 11 09:08:18 i can download packages.gz just fine Sep 11 09:08:54 from the touchpad? Sep 11 09:09:16 ah goo dpoing Sep 11 09:09:20 i'll try that now Sep 11 09:09:22 good point* Sep 11 09:10:17 weird Sep 11 09:10:22 i'm getting a 404 from the touchpad Sep 11 09:10:43 I just tried updating feeds on my Pre- and it worked Sep 11 09:10:48 404 not found nginx/0.8.34 Sep 11 09:11:12 what if you you just go to http://ipkg.preware.org/? Sep 11 09:11:39 fine Sep 11 09:12:03 navigate from there to optware Sep 11 09:12:08 yeah i have Sep 11 09:12:09 it's fine Sep 11 09:12:11 that's odd Sep 11 09:12:47 in any case, best thing to probably do would be to uninstall preware, then reinstall Sep 11 09:12:51 add the feeds again Sep 11 09:13:02 i'll do that right now Sep 11 09:13:13 rwhitby, lol Sep 11 09:13:25 thanks for offering advice Sep 11 09:13:29 i'll stick around for a bit Sep 11 09:14:32 so I got a two finger swipe working as back in Mojo Sep 11 09:14:47 seems a bit hit and miss though, dpeneding on how the app is written Sep 11 09:15:02 gyrojoe, thats pretty sweet Sep 11 09:15:09 it works good for Internalz Sep 11 09:15:15 but not at all for Preware Sep 11 09:15:34 gyrojoe, would it have been able to do the first pixel on each edge like the bottom pixel does "home"? Sep 11 09:15:46 I'm assuming because Preware is somehow using the top bar (which it doesn't add when running on Touchpad) Sep 11 09:16:15 no, it's webkit gesture event based Sep 11 09:16:22 so it can be anywhere on the surface Sep 11 09:17:42 sorry.. does that mean you couldnt mimic what the bottom pixel does for "home"? to the left and right edges? that be nice as in you are holding your TP with a thumb on each side Sep 11 09:17:59 no Sep 11 09:18:11 it has to be two fingers with this mechanism Sep 11 09:18:12 are there any free irc clients for webos? Sep 11 09:18:16 hey Sep 11 09:18:33 gyrojoe, copy that. thanks for clearifying Sep 11 09:18:47 wIRC> Sep 11 09:19:02 i'll OC first Sep 11 09:19:04 GWF: BTW, the official guide for what you are doing is http://bit.ly/phd-ac Sep 11 09:19:15 ok thanks rwhitby Sep 11 09:19:22 i don't have info about preware, i have found a patch in the preware forum, how can i install it? i have instaled preware on my touchpad....i found the patch here: http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/236332-very-simple-facebook-chat-patch.html#post2305008 Sep 11 09:19:24 greatly appreciated Sep 11 09:19:56 pretty sure it says in that thread that facebook broke it Sep 11 09:19:59 GWF: that and testing.preware.org is all you need, and will be more accurate than anything you will read on xda, cause none of the webos-internals developers post on xda. Sep 11 09:20:30 samson_: use Internalz from Canuck Software Sep 11 09:20:41 i dont know anything about it in all honesty rwhitby, i just googled overclock touchpad or something and clicked the top result Sep 11 09:21:13 GWF: if you aren't sure what you are doing, it's better to use the safer UberKernel at 1.5 GHz Sep 11 09:21:18 @whitby thank you;) Sep 11 09:21:25 GWF: well, you've now got the official links. and search on PreCentral.net rather than XDA Sep 11 09:21:37 i'm familier with overclocking x86 cpus Sep 11 09:21:49 and from what i've been reading 1.7 seems stable Sep 11 09:22:13 right, this is the error i'm getting Sep 11 09:22:20 before i've even added any feeds Sep 11 09:22:53 unable to run command /usr/bin/ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps update 2>&1 Sep 11 09:23:04 then it goes on about downloading the packages and inflating them Sep 11 09:23:21 a few wget errors also Sep 11 09:24:39 how long do you think they will develop webos officially? Sep 11 09:24:54 they dont make any profit with webOS anymore, or? Sep 11 09:24:59 hp are licencing it out Sep 11 09:25:11 they're just not making the hardware any more Sep 11 09:25:18 who should buy it and continue the developing? Sep 11 09:25:34 ah Sep 11 09:25:57 GWF, im not quit sure what you are talking about Sep 11 09:26:04 jack? Sep 11 09:26:05 but who should use webOS isntead of android? there are too many deficits Sep 11 09:26:07 GWF, take a momment and check out the documentation Sep 11 09:26:19 it's twisting my melon man Sep 11 09:27:26 it seems like something is wrong with your network or the state of your TouchPad Sep 11 09:27:33 since Preware won't even start up Sep 11 09:27:50 it's started now Sep 11 09:27:53 available packages Sep 11 09:27:54 525 Sep 11 09:28:16 evtl: discussion of android is not permitted in this channel. please re-read the /topic Sep 11 09:28:49 can we talk about how crappy android is? Sep 11 09:28:53 no Sep 11 09:28:57 android apartheid Sep 11 09:29:40 do people in here work for HP? Sep 11 09:29:43 we're completely fed up with the crap that the android on touchpad stuff has brought to this channel, so now it's completely off-limits Sep 11 09:29:46 * Jack87 doesnt know what android is Sep 11 09:29:52 ah Sep 11 09:30:47 GWF, no one from webos-internals works for HP.... however you will see some HP employees come and hang out here every now and then... and some former emplyees as well Sep 11 09:34:01 rwhitby: how does Preware respond to back events under Mojo? I don't see it explicitly handling Mojo.Event.back Sep 11 09:37:17 gyrojoe: back events are handled automatically Sep 11 09:37:26 it pops the current scene Sep 11 09:37:51 it's trying to download Packages.gz again Sep 11 09:37:59 i dont know wtf is going on Sep 11 09:38:14 mental Sep 11 09:38:16 oil: it's explicitly called by the stage somehow? Sep 11 09:38:18 absolutly mental Sep 11 09:38:39 gyrojoe: mojo does all that automatically Sep 11 09:41:07 oil: ok. I'm trying to simulate what it does automatically. Right now I'm generating a Mojo.Event.back Sep 11 09:41:23 well, what it does is a scene pop Sep 11 09:41:26 that works for Internalz, because it handles those events explicitly Sep 11 09:41:31 to pop the current scene off the stack Sep 11 09:46:16 ah - think I could it Sep 11 09:46:23 looks like it's in the stage, not the scene Sep 11 09:48:21 gyro Sep 11 09:48:23 http://i.imgur.com/mMRX4.png Sep 11 09:48:30 it's stuck on this Sep 11 09:48:34 when preware starts Sep 11 09:49:27 have any of you got a clue what's going on? Sep 11 09:49:32 no ideas Sep 11 09:49:35 gyrojoe, i get the "This action could not be comleted. Try again later. *Retry*" message when running the enyo catalog Sep 11 09:49:42 at least no good ones Sep 11 09:49:54 which forum an I best asking on? Sep 11 09:50:04 GWF, what set up instructions are youfollowing? Sep 11 09:50:17 i was following this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1230912 Sep 11 09:50:26 and one by a guy who made a video and put it on youtube Sep 11 09:50:31 GWF, thats your problem dude! XDA has nothing to do with this stuff Sep 11 09:51:09 ok Sep 11 09:51:46 GWF: when you read and follow the official instructions, we'll be happy to help. Sep 11 09:51:53 ok Sep 11 09:52:35 the thing is right, i'm not a stupid man, but this sort of thing really does my head in Sep 11 09:52:45 i'll have a go at sussing it out by lookin' on PreCentral.net Sep 11 09:52:59 GWF: did you notice that the post you are following on XDA doesn't even link to the official instructions anywhere, nor does it say that WebOS Internals created all the things it is describing, nor does it have a link to our wiki homepage or donation link. Sep 11 09:53:30 i dont know who or what anyone or anything is to do with this Sep 11 09:53:43 i literally opened the touchpad a couple of hours ago Sep 11 09:53:46 before then i knew nothing Sep 11 09:54:04 GWF: all the more reason to follow the instructions we give to you Sep 11 09:54:17 yep Sep 11 09:54:26 GWF: cause now you've ignored our help once, and are asking for more help. Sep 11 09:54:40 i'm finding it difficult concentrating Sep 11 09:54:43 err Sep 11 09:54:44 concentrating Sep 11 09:54:47 i didnt ignore Sep 11 09:55:16 to be fair, there aren't any links to precentral on the first page when you google "touchpad overclock" Sep 11 09:55:34 who says precentral is the authority? Sep 11 09:55:48 oil: it's not - our wiki pages are. Sep 11 09:55:57 oil: ok - none to webos-internals either Sep 11 09:56:34 gyrojoe: yes, as a result of posts such as that one on XDA intentionally not linking to the official information Sep 11 09:56:52 why don't they? Sep 11 09:57:21 ask them? Sep 11 09:57:59 they have a link to this page at least http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Testing_Feeds Sep 11 09:58:20 gyrojoe: yes, exactly the wrong page to be the first link to homebrew Sep 11 09:58:55 * oil has NEVER seen anyone follow rule 8 haha Sep 11 09:59:15 shit Sep 11 09:59:18 orly? Sep 11 09:59:25 I've read the rules Sep 11 09:59:32 rwhitby, is someone not citing you as source? Sep 11 09:59:38 in b4 rwhitby changes the phrase Sep 11 09:59:41 lol Sep 11 09:59:44 lol Sep 11 10:00:18 also yeah. I can't stand the way some people do "donations", but rule 8 comes in handy sometimes Sep 11 10:00:32 mainly for people who say "donate FOR x" Sep 11 10:00:50 you mean patch bounties? Sep 11 10:01:02 not really, in that sense, AFAIK Sep 11 10:01:06 it's more for the odd person Sep 11 10:01:10 who sets up a crap forum, and goes Sep 11 10:01:16 "join my site to get builds sooner" Sep 11 10:01:21 lol Sep 11 10:01:25 then you get there and discover you need a "premium subscription" Sep 11 10:01:31 2 people did that in 2010 Sep 11 10:01:33 yeah, that's a subscription, not a donation. Sep 11 10:01:35 I banned both of them for life Sep 11 10:01:39 their sites are now dead Sep 11 10:01:41 indeed rwhitby Sep 11 10:01:46 that's 100% against the spirit of FOSS Sep 11 10:01:47 * gyrojoe setups a crap forum Sep 11 10:01:55 there are subscriptions, bounties and donations. Sep 11 10:02:00 indeed Sep 11 10:02:01 err, sets up Sep 11 10:02:04 the only one I personally like is the latter Sep 11 10:02:08 and even then, only in moderation Sep 11 10:02:17 don't get me started on the first 2 :P Sep 11 10:02:48 Pulser: in general, we do bounties only where there is an explicit cash outlay required to do something, e.g. create a save/restore script for a paid app (the person developing the script has to buy the app first) Sep 11 10:02:59 right, that's fair :) Sep 11 10:03:08 if there is a quantifiable cost Sep 11 10:03:13 then that's 100% reasonable Sep 11 10:03:17 it's still stuck on packages.gz :/ Sep 11 10:03:22 ie. to de-cap a device and salt it Sep 11 10:03:28 there's the cost - getting a broken device :) Sep 11 10:03:39 or the webos-internals team ordered 100x Touchpads from HP SMB Sep 11 10:03:42 or "if you want this to be better on this device, donate to buy that device for the dev" Sep 11 10:04:05 what's worst is "if you donate to me you can get this earlier" Sep 11 10:04:13 we never do that Sep 11 10:04:13 as in, if you don't donate, GLHF Sep 11 10:04:16 indeed :) Sep 11 10:04:19 early access club Sep 11 10:04:21 that's what some of the idiots over at xda do Sep 11 10:04:32 that's a good way to ensure a visit from the banhammer though Sep 11 10:04:33 how about a Preware "online pass" Sep 11 10:04:38 lol Sep 11 10:04:45 EA made 15 million from that shit Sep 11 10:04:49 hmmm Sep 11 10:05:06 I never understood the online gaming modus operandi Sep 11 10:05:13 you buy a game, then PAY to play it online Sep 11 10:05:18 as I understand Sep 11 10:05:29 * oil pays for xbox live Sep 11 10:05:40 online pass is to mitigate the 2nd hand market Sep 11 10:05:43 you have to pay for live??? Sep 11 10:05:48 it's free in the new copies Sep 11 10:05:48 Pulser: simple reason - piracy Sep 11 10:05:50 ah I see gyrojoe Sep 11 10:05:51 for gold membership Sep 11 10:05:56 rwhitby, yeah, that's a point Sep 11 10:06:02 but I personally pay once Sep 11 10:06:05 so either, I pay upfront Sep 11 10:06:08 and expect it to work Sep 11 10:06:14 I'm somewhat ashamed to say I paid for PS+ Sep 11 10:06:16 or I get it free, and pay monthly or annually Sep 11 10:06:21 yep Sep 11 10:06:35 I won't do this "pay upfront AND when using" Sep 11 10:06:51 why not? Sep 11 10:06:59 well, I feel it's a bit rich to say Sep 11 10:07:01 those costs go to different things Sep 11 10:07:13 3+ years of dev time on the upfront cost Sep 11 10:07:14 "right, spend X on this, then spend X per month to continue using what you paid for" Sep 11 10:07:20 yes, that's true Sep 11 10:07:26 and x ammount on the service upkeep Sep 11 10:07:28 yeah Sep 11 10:07:36 well, I don't really play consoles Sep 11 10:07:38 never owned one Sep 11 10:07:39 never will Sep 11 10:07:41 for this one reason :) Sep 11 10:07:42 the monthly fees on those are pretty steep Sep 11 10:07:53 aye, but I would want value for money Sep 11 10:07:55 talking about MMO model specifically Sep 11 10:08:02 like seeing SALTED and DSA'd fields for user passwords Sep 11 10:08:04 COUGH SONY Sep 11 10:08:27 you want to personally audit their security? Sep 11 10:08:36 or you want to steal password? :) Sep 11 10:08:38 ah, the thing about consoles is that you dont have to spend a lot for a system to play games Sep 11 10:08:41 no, but I do expect REASONABLE security Sep 11 10:08:48 a game that comes out tomorrow will play the same on a console i bought in 2005 Sep 11 10:08:54 if I were to give sony my personal info Sep 11 10:08:59 passwords aren't really an issue - it was the credit cards Sep 11 10:09:01 I want to see my money spent keeping it safe Sep 11 10:09:08 yes, that's another issue :P Sep 11 10:09:10 without needing to update my video card, operating system, etc Sep 11 10:09:24 unless your console RRoDs Sep 11 10:09:31 well, thats another thing Sep 11 10:09:41 hehe Sep 11 10:09:45 build quality... Sep 11 10:09:46 but dont tell me you've never had a computer fail Sep 11 10:09:50 harddrive go out Sep 11 10:09:54 fan fail and burn something Sep 11 10:09:55 meh, my last one failed quite badly Sep 11 10:10:02 but yea, NES's from 20+ years ago work Sep 11 10:10:05 the mobo started to deteriorate Sep 11 10:10:11 USB became less reliable Sep 11 10:10:14 true Sep 11 10:10:15 then SATA started to die Sep 11 10:10:18 so I pulled everything off it Sep 11 10:10:20 then HDD failed :P Sep 11 10:10:21 but you can always get a *new* computer Sep 11 10:10:27 so I built a new one rather than fix it Sep 11 10:10:29 as so much was broken :P Sep 11 10:10:31 you can get a new 360 too Sep 11 10:10:32 getting a new NES, that's not really possible Sep 11 10:10:41 for a while you can Sep 11 10:11:20 not being a standard, or at least a support legacy option ala PCs, you don't have much recourse Sep 11 10:11:43 there are always emulators I suppose, eventually Sep 11 10:12:25 if it's a Nintendo game you want to play though, you don't have to worry, because they've remade it on every system in the past 10 years since it's release Sep 11 10:12:40 lol Sep 11 10:15:09 while that was all offtopic, at least it wasn't about android xD Sep 11 10:15:20 sssssh Sep 11 10:15:29 the platform which shall not be named Sep 11 10:16:11 why the heck does HP ship their code non-obfuscated? Sep 11 10:16:23 I mean, there are comments and stuff even Sep 11 10:16:30 so you can learn from it Sep 11 10:16:32 to make it easier for us to hack it Sep 11 10:16:45 nice of them Sep 11 10:17:06 why wouldn't you ship it like that. there's no advantage to a phone manufacturer obsfucating the development framework code Sep 11 10:17:29 to make it smaller, faster Sep 11 10:17:51 the engine has to parse those comments when it loads the files Sep 11 10:18:20 believe me, that's not why things are slow Sep 11 10:18:53 nor, since they are text files, does it increase the size appreciably. Sep 11 10:18:54 haha, true Sep 11 10:19:08 parsing files is a thing of a few ms Sep 11 10:20:44 haha, yes. Sep 11 10:20:58 using stageController fixed it Sep 11 10:21:17 two finger power swipe back for Mojo apps Sep 11 10:22:48 * gyrojoe creates power swipe back early-acccess forum subscription mega donation site Sep 11 10:23:28 awesome. I'll copy it to XDA without linking back. Sep 11 10:23:30 power swipe *back*? Sep 11 10:23:37 lol Sep 11 10:24:31 pcworld: yea - swip to perform the back gesture Sep 11 10:24:53 it only works for Mojo apps though - I'm assuming no such event exists for Enyo Sep 11 10:25:19 gyrojoe: that should be useful combined with uiRevision:2 Sep 11 10:25:44 is the code publicy? Sep 11 10:25:50 rwhitby: yea, it works great in preware, using it right now Sep 11 10:26:27 pcworld: are you a member of my early access forum? :P Sep 11 10:26:57 gyrojoe: if you weren't joking you'd be ejected from the channel at this point ;) Sep 11 10:27:01 I guess EA members are not allowed to say that they are in EA? :D Sep 11 10:27:27 that's rule 8 Sep 11 10:27:58 :) Sep 11 10:28:27 sigh, I hate dealing with users Sep 11 10:28:33 where is that dude from office space Sep 11 10:30:22 gyrojoe: but why in the EA forum? so not for webOS 2? Sep 11 10:31:02 why do you need it for webOS2? Sep 11 10:31:10 pcworld: he was joking Sep 11 10:31:16 don't all those device have the gesture area? Sep 11 10:31:26 *devices Sep 11 10:32:17 rwhitby Sep 11 10:32:20 fancy helping me out Sep 11 10:32:30 i've made a post on the precentral website Sep 11 10:32:37 * rwhitby waits for rule #8 to kick in ... Sep 11 10:32:52 ok Sep 11 10:32:54 i've read the rules Sep 11 10:33:05 * pcworld doesn't understand anything anymore :D Sep 11 10:33:06 ok, which instructions are you following now Sep 11 10:33:08 heh Sep 11 10:33:29 GWF: which instructions are you following now Sep 11 10:33:31 non at the moment because preware's hanging on this Sep 11 10:33:38 http://imgur.com/OlDqL.png Sep 11 10:33:57 the feeds are in there Sep 11 10:33:58 http://i.imgur.com/lNCgP.png Sep 11 10:34:01 pcworld: just smile and node Sep 11 10:34:04 *nod Sep 11 10:34:14 or node, if you fancy yourself a service Sep 11 10:34:22 lol Sep 11 10:34:38 GWF: you need to read testing.preware.org again, and this time following it *precisely* without making any mistakes Sep 11 10:34:48 ok Sep 11 10:35:00 your error is obvious in that second screenshot Sep 11 10:35:06 i might be best off getting some sleep and doing it with a clear head Sep 11 10:35:12 i've been awake about 22 hours Sep 11 10:35:20 GWF: I would suggest uninstalling Preware and starting again using the right instructions Sep 11 10:35:26 i feel like i've been on the booze Sep 11 10:35:36 rwhitby/GWF: and of course buy the homebrew documentation :P Sep 11 10:35:47 i'm skint, disabled and unemployed Sep 11 10:35:53 rwhitby, when i uninstall preware the feeds i originally put in Sep 11 10:35:58 I *am* on the booze Sep 11 10:35:59 are still present Sep 11 10:36:07 my preware is running fine Sep 11 10:36:09 i dont know how to get rid of them Sep 11 10:36:12 GWF: swipe to delete all the feeds first them Sep 11 10:36:26 gyrojoe: everyone's Preware is always running fine Sep 11 10:36:34 ah yeah Sep 11 10:36:35 thanks Sep 11 10:36:39 not GWT's :P Sep 11 10:36:48 gyrojoe: yet every person who comes here always thinks the the problem is Preware, not what they have done :) Sep 11 10:36:53 are you greek gyro? Sep 11 10:37:02 GWF: no Sep 11 10:37:05 i didnt think the problem was preware Sep 11 10:37:10 i knew i was doing something wrong Sep 11 10:37:19 GWF: yeah, you've been cool mate Sep 11 10:37:43 GWF: you got led astray by XDA Sep 11 10:37:47 GWF: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/gyro- Sep 11 10:38:00 i know gyro Sep 11 10:38:18 there's a green dish called gyros Sep 11 10:38:18 it comes on a rotating spit Sep 11 10:38:18 hence the name gyro Sep 11 10:38:22 err Sep 11 10:38:23 greek i mean Sep 11 10:38:25 not green Sep 11 10:38:28 yea Sep 11 10:38:59 * rwhitby goes back to working out why the DNS servers are not being set on the cellular interface on the Pre 3 Sep 11 10:40:04 * pcworld wants to eat gyro now :D Sep 11 10:40:46 food... damnit 3am, you have bested me again, wkth your closed businesses Sep 11 10:41:10 12am :P Sep 11 10:41:12 microwaves - open 24/7/365 Sep 11 10:41:22 as long as you have power anyway Sep 11 10:41:36 cupboard: empty 24/7/365 D: Sep 11 10:41:55 solution: evolve to eat particle board Sep 11 10:42:10 then you can *eat* the cupboard Sep 11 10:42:12 mmm ,glue-tastic Sep 11 10:42:27 probably some animal parts in there somewheres Sep 11 10:42:27 i should sleep instead Sep 11 10:43:02 i went home to visit my parents, which means church, which prolly means sep11 pandering Sep 11 10:43:02 http://twitpic.com/6jbz6g Sep 11 10:43:40 in four hours no less Sep 11 10:43:54 bai~ Sep 11 10:44:21 rwhitby: quite the spike Sep 11 10:45:16 man I really get frustrated while playing with a Honeycomb tablet Sep 11 10:45:51 no os-that-must-not-be-named bitching Sep 11 10:46:06 there's still no way for devs to get a TP, right? Sep 11 10:46:29 pcworld: beg, borrow, steal? Sep 11 10:46:44 if you want to try the power-swipe back for Mojo thing, here it is: http://forums.precentral.net/3147217-post32.html Sep 11 10:46:53 email no longer functions after installing patches with Preware. Anyone else experience this? Sep 11 10:47:40 gyrojoe: thanks for the patch :D will try to get this working in my app Sep 11 10:47:59 Guest82269: yep, there's some precentral threads about that Sep 11 10:48:21 Guest82269: there was a bad version of the muffle patch. there's instructions on how to repair in the threads. Sep 11 10:48:56 great...thanks rod Sep 11 10:51:32 pcworld: you don't have to do anything to your app Sep 11 10:51:40 pcworld: it applies to all mojo apps Sep 11 10:52:11 its not so much bashing, its probably good if you don't know better ;) Sep 11 10:52:21 yes, but I would like to have it packaged with my app Sep 11 10:52:28 I have an iPad 2, I do :) Sep 11 10:52:47 what license is the patch? Sep 11 10:52:49 I was preparing a pretty wicked project for Touchpads and was waiting for the first unit to start testing Sep 11 10:53:22 SimpsonTP: please note the new topic contents Sep 11 10:53:39 pcworld: uh, whatever, it's a pretty simple patch Sep 11 10:53:48 pcworld: just don't create an early access forum Sep 11 10:53:51 I'll choose MIT :D Sep 11 10:54:19 since it's in the webOS patches forum, by definition it's MIT Sep 11 10:54:37 and now that the plug is pulled, I need to reconsider my options, I'm not really enthousiastic, so I was hoping some hardcore types got webos to run on other tablets :-/ Sep 11 10:54:37 see http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/214299-welcome-webos-patches-forum.html Sep 11 10:54:38 gyrojoe: I still don't understand your EA "joke" :) Sep 11 10:54:52 SimpsonTP: please note the new topic contents - second warning Sep 11 10:55:34 SimpsonTP: I don't think anyone has any idea what you are talking about Sep 11 10:55:51 rwhitby: another rule 8. sneaky Sep 11 10:56:14 rwhitby: after removing the two custom feeds and uninstalling then re-installing preware, it's still hanging on Packages.gz Sep 11 10:56:26 before i've added any feeds Sep 11 10:56:33 pcworld: someone was talking about different types of "donation"-ware Sep 11 10:56:34 or done anything Sep 11 10:56:51 GWF: then you have a network problem. Sep 11 10:57:21 gyrojoe: does the patch conflict with swipe-to-delete in lists? Sep 11 10:57:41 I have no idea - what file does it modify? Sep 11 10:58:09 it applies to SceneController, not any widgets Sep 11 10:58:31 rwhitby: i can access the 3.0.2 directory fine through the browser Sep 11 10:58:44 yes, but when I move two fingers on the screen the list will receive drag events, too Sep 11 10:58:54 (I guess) Sep 11 10:59:15 it's a different event - gesture Sep 11 10:59:19 only happens with two fingers Sep 11 10:59:24 try it out and see Sep 11 10:59:43 if you don't like it, I'll give you your money back :P Sep 11 10:59:47 can't test multitouch on emulator :D Sep 11 10:59:54 GWF: post your feeds list again Sep 11 11:00:04 http://i.imgur.com/lNCgP.png Sep 11 11:00:13 i've deleted them and typed them out again though Sep 11 11:00:20 this is before i uninstalled Sep 11 11:00:46 i'll just leave it for a good 20 mins or so Sep 11 11:00:48 see what happens Sep 11 11:01:11 GWF: the feeds in that screenshot are incorrect Sep 11 11:01:32 they're http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/all Sep 11 11:01:34 and http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/armv7 Sep 11 11:01:38 they're the two i added Sep 11 11:01:51 from http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Testing_Feeds Sep 11 11:02:00 GWF: post your feeds list again. what is there now, not what was before. Sep 11 11:02:05 ok Sep 11 11:02:25 i'll email myself the screenshot Sep 11 11:02:38 * rwhitby never believes anything anyone tells him. post a screenshot which shows the facts, not someones interpretation of the facts. Sep 11 11:02:58 screenshots can be doctored Sep 11 11:03:22 never believe anything you see on the internet Sep 11 11:04:13 test Sep 11 11:04:21 gyrojoe: sure, but either they doctor it to look correct, in which case I say "that's correct, you have a network problem" or they doctor it to be incorrect, in which case I say "go back and re-read the wiki page without making mistakes" Sep 11 11:04:41 rwhitby: sure, I was speaking generally Sep 11 11:04:47 gyrojoe: and anyone doctoring a screenshot when asking for help would be an instant ban for wasting my time Sep 11 11:05:20 I wonder if I could make a pig-latin patch Sep 11 11:05:33 strings to piglatin at runtime Sep 11 11:06:27 i'm having problems connecting to hotmail Sep 11 11:06:31 everything else seems fine though Sep 11 11:06:36 gyrojoe: your patch with three fingers to switch between cards would be nice, but would probably be difficult to get access to cards... Sep 11 11:06:51 pcworld: like iPad you mean :P Sep 11 11:07:07 the shell is native code Sep 11 11:07:14 I'm not messing with that Sep 11 11:07:21 switching to another card could be possible with a Mojo/Enyo patch Sep 11 11:07:50 LunaSysMgr draws the cards Sep 11 11:07:51 but I guess the problem is to get the order of the cards Sep 11 11:07:55 it's native Sep 11 11:08:38 i can't email myself the bloody screenshot Sep 11 11:08:40 sorry Sep 11 11:08:44 i'll keep trying Sep 11 11:08:45 there's still an activate method to get the card in front I think Sep 11 11:08:52 upload to box.net Sep 11 11:09:04 you have to run the gesture listener somewhere Sep 11 11:09:10 GWF: usb cable...? Sep 11 11:09:16 oh yeah Sep 11 11:09:23 GWF: My mail client can't get on hotmail either =/ Sep 11 11:09:36 buh, i redoctored and jow i cant get the ubuntu chroot to install; when i trh to launch it, upstart claims the job doesnt exkst Sep 11 11:11:42 my feeds have vanished Sep 11 11:11:44 ffs Sep 11 11:14:38 rwhitby: so, if you've successfully removed the muffle patch, are you safe? Sep 11 11:14:51 or do you need to install the updated version, then remove it? Sep 11 11:17:45 gyrojoe: dunno, I don't use it. as a developer, I need the logging. Sep 11 11:17:54 I believe the forum threads have full details Sep 11 11:19:09 the forums have speculation, no real technical details about what the issue was in the patch Sep 11 11:19:32 look for a post by codecrumb then Sep 11 11:19:44 alright, I'll search for that Sep 11 11:19:54 the issue was multiple upstart scripts causing the file indexer to not start Sep 11 11:20:25 you can't patch upstart scripts, since you then get a name.webosinternals.orig file as well, which is interpreted as another upstart scripts Sep 11 11:21:34 * rwhitby bbt Sep 11 11:22:01 rwhitby, i think i've figired it out Sep 11 11:22:18 i've set preware not to update the feeds, it seems to have worked Sep 11 11:22:28 i still see all the downloads avalable but it isnt hanging any more Sep 11 11:22:37 i dont know why it's hanging on package.gz though Sep 11 11:23:09 It's hanging either cause you have a bad URL for the feed, or you have a network connection problem. Sep 11 11:23:28 it's the default url that came with preware Sep 11 11:23:37 i've no idea Sep 11 11:23:39 ah, here we go http://forums.precentral.net/hp-touchpad/297968-solution-email-download-errors-finally-3.html#post3143114 Sep 11 11:23:39 and turning off the update is not a solution if you ever want to see any new packages ever again Sep 11 11:24:20 GWF: "GWF: my feeds have vanished" does not give me confidence that you handling of feed definitions is robust or precise. Sep 11 11:24:31 i know Sep 11 11:24:33 rwhitby: do you run with all logging enabled? Sep 11 11:24:37 i need to go through it with a clear head Sep 11 11:24:50 GWF: get some sleep then Sep 11 11:24:52 GWF: so forgive me if I don't believe anything you say until I see a factual screenshot showing all relevant information Sep 11 11:25:01 there are more important things than Touchpad Overclocking Sep 11 11:25:15 i know, it's alright Sep 11 11:25:23 especially when you're following the wrong instructions Sep 11 11:25:27 for example, there is football to be watched today Sep 11 11:28:48 TouchPad needs MagSafe Sep 11 11:31:48 is there any chance HP planned on reducing the cost of the touchpads Sep 11 11:31:50 i mean Sep 11 11:32:02 as in weeks back Sep 11 11:32:12 when they originally released it Sep 11 11:32:23 although i suppose they didnt Sep 11 11:32:28 they're making a huge loss Sep 11 11:32:56 have you read that NYT article Sep 11 11:33:03 what was it Sep 11 11:33:54 something like, how to commit corporate suicide Sep 11 11:34:04 hahahah , i read that... Sep 11 11:34:30 http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/27/business/for-seamless-transitions-at-the-top-dont-consult-hewlett-packard.html?pagewanted=all Sep 11 11:34:32 the guys behind the hp desk at the ohio lixfest had not though Sep 11 11:34:42 “I didn’t know there was such a thing as corporate suicide, but now we know that there is,” Sep 11 11:35:03 best quot ever, from a former HP director Sep 11 11:35:07 *quote Sep 11 11:35:14 that's weird Sep 11 11:36:04 have any of you seen those raspberry pi PCs Sep 11 11:36:14 £25 PCs that fit in your hand Sep 11 11:36:15 running Sep 11 11:36:16 umm Sep 11 11:36:22 ubuntu i think Sep 11 11:38:56 best part about 24/7 live customer support chats: you can talk to them while drinking Sep 11 11:39:08 :) Sep 11 11:39:51 I feel much better about harrassing them this way Sep 11 11:40:36 i always like it when you call india and they claim to be called steve or mary Sep 11 11:40:45 i'd prefer it if they'd just give their real names Sep 11 11:40:59 much like the common calls at our FD dispatch, "so you don't have a actual fire ??" - "No I don't but I know you have to pickup the phone and listen to me.." :) Sep 11 11:41:05 although it's probably to make bigots and morons feel comfortable Sep 11 11:41:47 RowenaTCOE Sep 11 11:42:00 could be a real name Sep 11 11:42:22 sounds like a futuristic love bot Sep 11 11:42:24 have to pay comcast money, so they can charge me, more money Sep 11 11:42:38 RowenaTCOE GTI Sep 11 11:43:50 two touchpad users enter, one leaves Sep 11 11:43:57 this is, the thunderdome Sep 11 11:45:42 nice Sep 11 11:45:51 over clocking worked fine Sep 11 11:45:53 this is great Sep 11 11:46:10 except you can't upgrade any packages Sep 11 11:46:46 what do you mean Sep 11 11:46:59 if your preware can't update Sep 11 11:47:04 oh Sep 11 11:47:07 i've sorted it now Sep 11 11:47:11 i've no idea what was going on Sep 11 11:47:16 it seems to have fixed its self Sep 11 11:48:21 it seemed to lag a bit when i went on youtube before but there's no of tha now Sep 11 11:48:34 that's probably because flash sucks a big one Sep 11 11:48:44 and the autoload setting doesn't work Sep 11 11:48:47 yeah Sep 11 11:48:57 install ad block Sep 11 11:49:03 the hp logging thing probably had something to do with it too Sep 11 11:49:11 i have Sep 11 11:49:15 it helps to get rid of some of flash ads Sep 11 11:51:32 test Sep 11 11:51:45 this is pretty sweet too Sep 11 11:52:22 ? Sep 11 11:52:26 wirc Sep 11 11:52:29 are you using wIRC? Sep 11 11:52:29 for the touchpad Sep 11 11:52:41 yeah Sep 11 11:52:55 yes, my RedZone is working now Sep 11 11:53:01 what's that Sep 11 11:53:53 http://redzonetv.nfl.com/ Sep 11 11:54:32 on the touchpad you mean? Sep 11 11:54:52 no, on my tv Sep 11 11:55:06 http://www.firstrowsports.eu/ Sep 11 11:55:08 i use this for sports Sep 11 11:55:17 that's what I was talking to the customer service bot about Sep 11 11:55:18 PPV events are on there too Sep 11 11:55:18 the lot Sep 11 11:56:09 yea... I like to watch it on my TV in HD Sep 11 11:56:23 suppose Sep 11 11:56:40 is there an msn client for webos Sep 11 11:56:42 I'm already paying Comcast some ridiculous ammount Sep 11 11:56:46 a free one? Sep 11 11:56:56 you're lucky you dont have to pay for a tv licence too Sep 11 11:57:02 just to watch basic TV you have to pay here Sep 11 11:57:06 £15 a month or something Sep 11 11:57:27 that pays for Top Gear :) Sep 11 11:57:48 i think the bbc make more selling top gear than they do making it Sep 11 11:57:56 something ridiculous like 300m people watch it Sep 11 11:58:18 maybe more Sep 11 11:59:50 might be some way using a GTalk Jabber connector Sep 11 12:00:01 people were doing that with bookface Sep 11 12:02:02 anyone have a Veer? Sep 11 12:02:09 gyrojoe, ack Sep 11 12:02:12 what's one of those? Sep 11 12:02:17 syn Sep 11 12:02:29 :) Sep 11 12:02:59 it have a gesture area? Sep 11 12:03:25 yup, the only thing so far that seems missing compared to my pre plus is flash for the camera Sep 11 12:03:52 how is the build quality? Sep 11 12:04:07 I have only a Pre- that a friend gave me Sep 11 12:06:39 compared to the Pre+ it feels more solid Sep 11 12:07:21 and although small its a serious eye catcher as well Sep 11 12:08:16 all of this is rather subjective ofcourse Sep 11 12:08:27 well, I have an iPhone 4 Sep 11 12:08:37 but, $105 at Amazon Sep 11 12:09:40 another opinion, I love its small size, even though a Pre+ wasn't that huge, the veer is really portable size Sep 11 12:10:51 you do have less screen space, so it depends a bit on what you want to do with it, but for a take everywhere office connector ( I use it to connect to Lotus Domino and 2 exchange servers ) its great Sep 11 12:12:15 oops Sep 11 12:12:52 so I typed all for nothing ? :) Sep 11 12:13:02 copy/paste Sep 11 12:13:13 I saw most of it Sep 11 12:14:00 you saw my line about exchanges etc ? Sep 11 12:14:03 yea Sep 11 12:14:04 hmm Sep 11 12:14:09 headphone adapter Sep 11 12:14:21 check, with the magnet though Sep 11 12:14:26 didn't test it yet Sep 11 12:14:57 there is great review on precentral btw, which talks about all the options etc Sep 11 12:17:56 TTS doesn't work yet does it? Sep 11 12:18:40 TTS ? Sep 11 12:20:05 touch to share Sep 11 12:23:01 no microusb either Sep 11 12:23:03 not on the public version of the firmware Sep 11 12:23:27 indeed no microusb Sep 11 12:23:44 touch to share, I can't test, have not touchpad ;( Sep 11 12:27:45 SIM card slot is slot loaded? Sep 11 12:29:01 rwhitby, are there any plans for updates which enable that ? or is that under NDA ? Sep 11 12:29:08 gyrojoe, yup Sep 11 12:31:43 I thought I read something about it getting enabled Sep 11 12:31:49 can't find it now Sep 11 12:33:19 Rod bricked one apparently Sep 11 12:33:24 http://forums.precentral.net/hp-veer/283404-rod-bricked-veer-its-time-help-homebrew-again.html Sep 11 12:36:22 the slot load SIM has put me off it for now, at least to use as an actual phone Sep 11 12:38:09 why ? Sep 11 12:38:51 i'm surprised no one's made a cross-platform benchmarking app Sep 11 12:39:02 to see how tablets perform against each other Sep 11 12:39:07 gpu and cpu Sep 11 12:39:31 i'm not sure how difficult it'd be Sep 11 12:39:41 SimpsonTP: microSim Sep 11 12:44:09 ah and you don't like that together with a adapter Sep 11 12:44:46 with Govnah installed Sep 11 12:44:53 the cpu2 frequency is showing as 0mhz Sep 11 12:45:01 that's not right is it Sep 11 12:45:19 there's no activity in the graph either Sep 11 12:45:35 GWF: what kernel are you running? Sep 11 12:45:42 i'm not using any now Sep 11 12:45:45 i've got rid of them Sep 11 12:45:57 because it was 0 when i installed the f16 c kernal Sep 11 12:46:02 so i thought i'd uninstall it Sep 11 12:46:18 GWF: do you rev your engine to 5000RPM when sitting at the traffic lights? Sep 11 12:46:44 usually a bit more than that Sep 11 12:46:47 rwhitby: yes, when using launch control Sep 11 12:46:52 to scare old people and children Sep 11 12:47:03 you're right though Sep 11 12:47:11 i set it to performance mode and the other cpu has kicked it Sep 11 12:47:45 tapping the screen repeatedly would have also had the same effect, without putting it in a mode which is going to chew your battery Sep 11 12:48:20 to get this touchpad working online i had to dig out an old router Sep 11 12:48:32 so i connected it to the PC via ethernet and plugged it in Sep 11 12:48:45 "fat abdul's pubic wig emporium" was the ssid Sep 11 12:49:08 so i've left it as that Sep 11 12:49:14 not sure what the neighbours will think Sep 11 12:49:54 http://www.passiveaggressivenotes.com/2009/12/30/wifi-for-passive-aggressives/ Sep 11 12:50:22 everyone uses the default router ssid here Sep 11 12:50:29 no one has any originality Sep 11 12:51:15 I'm going sleep Sep 11 12:51:20 ciao Sep 11 12:51:24 time to play TouchPad alram roulette Sep 11 12:51:32 will the alarms fire, or won't they Sep 11 12:51:53 tune in later today to find out Sep 11 12:53:41 which is the best kernal anywya Sep 11 12:53:52 uberkernal? Sep 11 12:55:09 "best" is subjective, and different for every person. Sep 11 12:55:17 ok, most stable Sep 11 12:55:48 there you go, another piece of information missing from XDA Sep 11 12:56:11 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:PsychoKernel Sep 11 12:56:25 the stable kernels are the ones that are not in the testing feed. Sep 11 12:56:44 right Sep 11 12:57:08 so if you're looking for a stable kernel, turn the testing feed off right now Sep 11 12:57:11 just had to try wirc Sep 11 12:58:06 :) Sep 11 13:00:02 dcc is supported? Sep 11 13:00:04 wow Sep 11 13:00:59 is it? Sep 11 13:01:04 that's pretty sweet Sep 11 13:01:12 #bookz on undernet's a good channel Sep 11 13:01:42 GWF: you may like to read the topic of this channel concerning copyright Sep 11 13:01:58 (assuming the 'z' in #bookz means what I think it means) Sep 11 13:02:06 yeah Sep 11 13:02:09 back up purposes only Sep 11 13:02:24 I only read books with correct spelling Sep 11 13:02:27 talk like that will get you kicked from this channel, mate. Sep 11 13:02:33 GWF: ^^ Sep 11 13:03:01 I like the tag line for wirc Sep 11 13:03:23 but a touchpad is awkward at a bar Sep 11 13:03:51 the only way you'd irc from a bar is to tell people on irc you were in a bar Sep 11 13:05:19 you are speaking in generalities Sep 11 13:05:38 I'd do it anyway Sep 11 13:06:02 #goodbrewz Sep 11 13:06:48 the informal "you" Sep 11 13:07:49 there's like 4 people active, general you doesn't apply Sep 11 13:08:14 it makes you feel a bit of a twat saying "one" on irc Sep 11 13:09:02 not if one is one Sep 11 13:10:37 wirc even has tab complete Sep 11 13:28:21 any1 here has a clue why the webkit version in webos doesn't support client side certificates ? Sep 11 13:30:33 SimpsonTP: never has, probably never will at this point. Sep 11 13:33:36 I know it never did, shame it will never do either :( Sep 11 14:00:23 hello all! i've just bought my palm pixi plus with webos 1.4.5. i've installed preware and openssh+terminal packages. but if i type ssh in the terminal i get ' Sep 11 14:00:36 ssh not found' message. Sep 11 14:01:59 same problem was discussed here http://ibot.rikers.org/%23webos-internals/20100126.html.gz but everything what i've done did not help... Sep 11 14:03:10 i have error messages when install openssh: 'postinst ln: /media/cryptofs/apps//opt/bin/scp: Operation not permitted ln: /media/cryptofs/apps//opt/bin/ssh: Operation not permitted' Sep 11 14:03:40 please give me and idea how to solve this permission problems? Sep 11 14:36:20 if there are a couple of people interested in trying out a new TP kernel, send me a message. you'll need to know how to boot it with novacom Sep 11 15:16:17 turbo_: let me try it Sep 11 15:23:57 uNiXpSyChO ah-hah, keeping abreast of what the competition's doing, eh? :-) Sep 11 15:28:09 I just meta-doctored my touchpad, and when it booted after logging into my palm profile, my downloaded apps didnt restore. Also, when going to the app catalog, it appears that apps I've purchased I have to repurchase. Any idea what I may have done wrong? Sep 11 15:36:51 poppeye, did you try removing and putting your palm profile back in? Sep 11 15:37:06 I did not, I can just do that through the account manager? Sep 11 15:38:32 Nevermind. It all just popped up sometime in the last 20 mins. I guess it just took a while to get started. (battery level maybe?) Sep 11 15:39:41 it's slow Sep 11 16:01:53 hi guys Sep 11 16:02:36 just a quick question, how do I copy and paste from Xterm on a Touchpad? Any ideas Sep 11 16:04:09 all, did anything come of linphone? Sep 11 16:20:41 the "Add Clock to Exhibition" patch shows here a black border on the bottom of the screen (running on a Pre3) Sep 11 16:22:18 so ive got a nonbricked but effectivley briked pre2 now. any one have any thoughts? details here http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/276460-how-install-webos-2-1-0-pre-pre-using-meta-doctor-post3147568.html :( Sep 11 16:47:46 hi Sep 11 16:47:49 all Sep 11 16:48:16 anyone have a way to get adhoc wifi to work for tp? Sep 11 16:48:17 I got sdlterminal to work as a hybrid app on touchpad. Now i'm dealing with suid errors. Is there anyway to modify the jailer configs to prevent that Sep 11 16:56:32 fenfir: have a look at the postinst script of sdlterminal Sep 11 17:00:08 where would that be? I didn't see one on the svn repo that was posted and I can't find anywhere to download the apk Sep 11 17:00:28 the download on touchpad hangs and it appears that registration for precentral forums is borked Sep 11 17:02:42 *ipk Sep 11 17:22:47 what do we consider bricked? cause I think i have done it. Sep 11 17:23:14 lupos: you can't brick a pre2 short of physical damage Sep 11 17:23:57 if you can't get in recovery mode anymore or can't connect to the chip anymore for recovering via usb Sep 11 17:24:03 well i can not get any sort of doctor to work on it. seems to be having toruble writing the info and can't access the modem so im thinking there may be some damage though ill be damned if i know where Sep 11 17:24:28 i can get in recovery mode fine. doc runs. always dies 52-54 Sep 11 17:26:11 Hey guys. Trying to get a service working using the HJSF and need root privs. However, when I try doing a command line from the service to check user ID, it comes back with a jailed user ID. Any suggestions on what I'm likely doing wrong? Sep 11 17:26:20 lupos: hmmm so obviously the device isn't bricked since you're loading code onto it but it could be that the modem is Sep 11 17:26:33 try the last resort thing now but the instructions are a little harder to follow Sep 11 17:26:40 trying Sep 11 17:28:15 if you can get in recovery-mode, this bootie (or whatever it's named) thing won't help I think Sep 11 17:29:23 so any other ideas? is the modem on the com board? main? replaceable part? :/ Sep 11 17:32:03 lupos: there's a wiki article on manually reflashing the com board Sep 11 17:32:06 looking for it Sep 11 17:32:11 thanks Sep 11 17:33:19 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/ModemFW_Flash Sep 11 17:34:05 make sure to log the output Sep 11 17:37:31 lupos: though, hmmm according to this: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/How_To_Recover Around 54% the filesystems are being partitioned Around 64% the modem firmware is being reflashed ... not sure if that's changed since then. Sep 11 17:37:52 lupos: do you have a *complete* log of your doctor process? Sep 11 17:38:13 this has most of the important info i believe http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/276460-how-install-webos-2-1-0-pre-pre-using-meta-doctor-212.html#post3147568 Sep 11 17:40:35 hmm that's odd Sep 11 17:41:04 that it keeps returning /dev/modemdiag Failed(2=No such file or directory)! Sep 11 17:41:28 indeed Sep 11 17:42:59 lupos: and it's not the comm board since basically you've tried both comm boards on the pre2 and it fails on both, yeah? Sep 11 17:43:11 true Sep 11 17:44:16 possibly the connection to the com board? woudl the phone even turn on if one of the cables wasnt hooked up right? Sep 11 17:44:22 one thing I'd be afraid of is if /dev/modemdiag is picked up through udev or something that it's really not detecting the hardware of either comm board which does suggest the connection Sep 11 17:44:29 ive taken it appart and reassembled twice now incase :/ Sep 11 17:44:55 which ribbon is the actual connection? Sep 11 17:45:15 small = modem / wide = keyboard? Sep 11 17:46:52 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Sprint_Pre_2#Step_7 Sep 11 17:48:22 oh i see. both are com related Sep 11 17:48:36 i guess ill open it back up again and see if i can spot any damage :/ Sep 11 17:52:48 i think i may have gauged th elarger connectors ribbon when "gently" prying apart with a flat head. i think that ay not be th ebest tool for the job :( Sep 11 17:54:39 lupos: ahhh yeah that could do it. I wonder if it's possible to somehow replace the entire ribbon cable (wonder if the pre2 side of it disconnects also or if it would have to be reflowed Sep 11 17:54:59 is there anywhere to buy parts besides ebay? Sep 11 17:57:52 it seems to just run up to the top part with the camera/vibe/buttons. that may not be super hard to replace Sep 11 18:03:13 actualy i think i may be able to yank the ribbon from my srint pre... though its a bit scary should work fine. it wraps under the mirror part to the other side and has a lot of adhesive but otherwise not to tricky Sep 11 18:06:26 lupos: yeah sounds like it would be worth a try Sep 11 18:09:04 Think I'd prefer to buy a broken pre off e-bay rather than breaking a working pre to get the part Sep 11 18:14:53 its not held on by much. jus a tiny little bit of adhesive. Sep 11 18:15:16 i can always fall back to my old bb pearl in a worst case till i get a new broken pre of ebay :P Sep 11 18:17:15 Why not fall back on the pre until the broken pre arrives, then fix the pre2? I'd go mental if I had to use a BB for a personal phone ;P Sep 11 18:18:37 the touchpad will keep me sane in the interm Sep 11 18:18:48 i use it way more than th epre now anyway Sep 11 18:18:55 i would miss th ettethering though Sep 11 18:25:19 is there a way to do a per application jail config Sep 11 18:43:01 fenfir: see my answer an hour ago Sep 11 18:46:02 which would might have helped if I could find the post inst script. Sep 11 18:46:11 it's not in the svn repo for sdlterminal Sep 11 18:46:33 osx's ar doesn't work with webos ipk's apparently Sep 11 18:47:05 you can build ars with shell scripts :D Sep 11 18:47:26 i need to extract one Sep 11 18:47:57 it's giving a weird error, like it's looking for debian dpkg's only Sep 11 18:48:13 $ ar -x com.veeho.sdlterminal_1.0.4_armv7.ipk Sep 11 18:48:13 ar: debian-binary/: No such file or directory Sep 11 18:48:14 ar: control.tar.gz/: No such file or directory Sep 11 18:48:14 ar: data.tar.gz/: No such file or directory Sep 11 18:49:25 fenfir: I don't remember what I did to get around that, maybe grab ar from macports Sep 11 18:49:36 there isn't one in macports Sep 11 18:50:03 fenfir: 7zip? Sep 11 18:50:44 hrm.. id didn't know there was a 7zip for os x. trying now Sep 11 18:50:59 or if you have the app installed, you can get the postinst in the ipkg folder Sep 11 18:51:18 not sure, but I think there's at least the commandline version Sep 11 18:51:34 i found it, thanks for the help Sep 11 18:52:00 now, i've just got to get this suid thing taken care of. Sep 11 18:53:18 fenfir: that's what the postinst script should do Sep 11 18:54:27 does it work fullscreen on the TP? or why are you intending to let it run as hybrid? Sep 11 18:54:57 it works full screen, but not with softkeyboard. Sep 11 18:55:13 oh snap... so progress. made it to 82% before it jumped to done. rebooting now o_0 Sep 11 18:55:25 with hybrid i made it resize when the soft kbd pops up and down Sep 11 18:56:22 lupos: couldn't that be normal behavior? (but not sure) Sep 11 18:56:30 i think it is Sep 11 18:56:39 just chose mylanguage and all... signing into profile 0_0 Sep 11 18:56:42 i think it worked Sep 11 18:57:12 you exchanged the commboard or what? Sep 11 18:57:22 fenfir: nice Sep 11 18:57:25 i have cell signal as well. ev :D Sep 11 18:57:40 damn sprint signal blows in my apartment though so this is always maddeingly slow Sep 11 18:57:56 fenfir: really like SDLTerminal on my Pre2, sadly the author seems to not support it anymore Sep 11 18:58:22 fenfir: with a hybrid app, I can imagine it supporting paste - would be cool if you tried that Sep 11 18:58:44 pcworld: i'm just trying to make it work for right now lol. I Sep 11 18:58:56 'll work on extending it once i get this done Sep 11 18:59:47 pcworld: This is the first time i've messed with sdl/opengl i've gotten a pretty good grasp on it though this process though Sep 11 19:00:07 fenfir: sounds good - do you intend to extend it for phones as well? Sep 11 19:00:32 still "signing in", this is killing me. o_0 Sep 11 19:00:53 probably not. Sep 11 19:01:18 if i have a profile issue and have to move the ribbon back to the sprint pre that would be less than ideal Sep 11 19:01:36 lupos: I was much happier with the TP as it allows you to give it wireless details before doing all that stuff, shame even the Pre3 doesn't allow you to do that. :( Sep 11 19:01:42 pcworld: it depends on how onerous it will be to extend Sep 11 19:01:50 fenfir: please share your code on the sdlterminal thread once done :) Sep 11 19:02:07 i'm going to throw it up on github as soon as I get it working Sep 11 19:03:12 restoring! finally Sep 11 19:04:01 re Sep 11 19:04:47 for luck the author of sdlterminal opensourced it Sep 11 19:05:08 my favorite terminal app for webOS 2 Sep 11 19:05:22 pcworld: nice, now we might see a TouchPad version Sep 11 19:05:43 for how long has it been open-sourced? Sep 11 19:06:03 a few months Sep 11 19:06:25 I think Rod asked him and then he uploaded the source Sep 11 19:07:55 * pcworld leaving now Sep 11 19:25:30 dear anyone who helped me... i love you all. it's working. apps are installing. accounts updating. just awesome! thank you so much :D now i can get on with my life again Sep 11 19:27:33 anyone here built WPA_Supplicant before for webos? Sep 11 19:30:50 lupos: replacing the connector fixed it? Sep 11 19:31:29 err the ribbon cable Sep 11 19:48:43 Pulser: i was looking at this the other day, but someone told me that palm have a modified wpa_supplicant Sep 11 19:49:29 even though it's not up on their opensource website Sep 11 19:57:48 Would it matter if they used a modified wpa_supplicant? You'd be killing it anyway I guess... unless they've modified the kernel driver to match and they communicate in a weird way Sep 11 20:00:18 well i guess it depends on if their modified version hooks into luna Sep 11 20:01:14 right bed Sep 11 20:01:17 bedrock, * Sep 11 20:01:24 yeah I looked at their site Sep 11 20:01:25 saw nothing Sep 11 20:01:30 but know it uses wpa_supplicant Sep 11 20:02:15 3.0.2 has wpa_supplicant 0.6.10, but i've yet to establish what palm have changed (if anything) Sep 11 20:02:40 k Sep 11 20:02:54 I guess i'll not bother Sep 11 20:02:58 I was just gonna mess about with it Sep 11 20:03:03 but it's not really worth the hassle then :P Sep 11 20:03:05 have you tried a cross compiled version on the device? Sep 11 20:03:09 not yet Sep 11 20:03:12 that was my second guess Sep 11 20:03:16 to cross compile the generic one Sep 11 20:03:36 my x-compile experience is all in that platform that shall not be named though :p Sep 11 20:03:42 so I'd just have to figure it out Sep 11 20:03:45 though it's still arm :) Sep 11 20:06:36 I will give 1000 internets to the man who tells me how I can run a Greasemonkey style user script in the Touchpad browser Sep 11 20:06:41 or woman Sep 11 20:07:20 * oil has no room for 1000 more internets Sep 11 20:07:28 lol Sep 11 20:07:42 shit piles up Sep 11 20:07:59 seriously though, if I can remove ads from Grooveshark, I've got a viable media player for the touchpad that needs no local space Sep 11 20:08:53 lol Sep 11 20:09:08 I don't think there's much flexibility in the inbuilt browser Sep 11 20:09:10 which is a shame Sep 11 20:09:13 it could be quite good Sep 11 20:09:23 but there's just too many "glitches" Sep 11 20:09:29 like the text going fuzzy when you open in a new card Sep 11 20:09:30 etc Sep 11 20:09:53 i think thats to save memory Sep 11 20:10:06 hmm, might be, but damned annoying Sep 11 20:10:11 as I like to open a new tab Sep 11 20:10:15 and continue to read the old one Sep 11 20:10:16 s/tab/card Sep 11 20:10:32 so it going fuzzy is annoying, given it was already rendered etc... Sep 11 20:10:39 but it's not the end of the world Sep 11 20:10:50 rwhitby: dtzWill ^ Sep 11 20:38:48 crap, bookmarklets don't work with the touchpad browser Sep 11 20:54:14 touchpad alarms did not fire this morning Sep 11 20:54:26 big suprise Sep 11 20:55:53 anyone know why my preware wont update feeds? Sep 11 20:56:07 ive reinsatlled twice and its not working Sep 11 20:57:00 someone else was having that problem last night Sep 11 20:57:21 even web doctored twice >< Sep 11 20:58:19 just updated my feeds, so it is up it seems Sep 11 21:00:13 assuming you typed the feeds in correctly Sep 11 21:00:23 its probably network issues Sep 11 21:00:31 most likely on your end Sep 11 21:02:57 i didnt type feeds in Sep 11 21:03:09 it was fresh install Sep 11 21:03:14 internet workin fine Sep 11 21:12:02 yes swapping the wide ribbon cable worked Sep 11 21:12:11 all is well and wow is this worlds better Sep 11 21:12:19 its like a new phone Sep 11 21:13:17 Glad you got it working! Sep 11 21:13:26 that sounds silly since it is a new phone but, so much liek the pre 1 just, amazingly better. Sep 11 21:13:28 thanks :) Sep 11 21:13:36 so worth it, even after all that headache Sep 11 21:14:08 Totally agree. There are a few quirks though. Trying to make one of them at least bearable at the moment. Hopefully I've figured out my problem. Sep 11 21:16:22 If this doesn't work, I'm hoping someone is around who's familiar with the Homebrew JS Services Framework, and might be able to help troubleshoot why I'm not getting to run as root. Sep 11 21:16:43 that was written by jason Sep 11 21:16:47 he rarely comes into irc Sep 11 21:16:56 your best bet is precentral forums Sep 11 21:17:14 Will keep that in mind. Figured there's s till a chance of someone else being familiar at any rate. :) Sep 11 21:17:15 in the thread for it Sep 11 21:22:05 Okay, posted a request for help on the thread. If anyone here is familiar though, and would be willing to toss a lifeline, I'd appreciate it. Sep 11 21:22:19 did you add the scripts? Sep 11 21:22:41 Basically grabbed the source of the app linked in this thread: http://mobilecoder.wordpress.com/2011/03/18/using-the-homebrew-javascript-service-framework/ Sep 11 21:22:55 And tweaked. That being said, I'm not sure the example is working properly either. Sep 11 21:23:12 When I go in and run the "id" command line from inside the service, it returns prisoner/jailusers. Sep 11 21:23:29 is the service file copied to the right place? Sep 11 21:24:23 Is that the DBUS files you mean? Sep 11 21:24:32 yes Sep 11 21:25:04 there are scripts that need to run during the ipk install Sep 11 21:25:06 Let's see, dbus files in /var/palm/ls2/services/pub and prv Sep 11 21:25:42 And they are pointing to the service in cryptofs. Sep 11 21:26:03 did you reboot? Sep 11 21:26:14 Tried it before and after both a Luna restart and a full reboot. Sep 11 21:26:20 (Which managed to hang the device, which is a first.) Sep 11 21:26:53 Same results in each case. Any chance running the app before the reboot is causing a problem? Maybe creating an entry in the jailusers file too early? Sep 11 21:27:42 anything in the log? Sep 11 21:28:10 Anything in particular to look for? (/var/log/messages is going to be pretty full already, I imagine) Sep 11 21:28:28 look for the service id Sep 11 21:28:48 Entering triton-inst jail. Sep 11 21:29:42 well that's not good Sep 11 21:30:18 if you manually start the service does it work? Sep 11 21:30:44 Would that bypass the jailusers stuff? Because it's definitely tagged to triton-inst. Sep 11 21:32:00 Also, not familiar with manually starting the service; will go find the command for that and try. Sep 11 21:32:22 the command is in the dbus file Sep 11 21:33:58 Still stuck in triton-inst, looks like. Sep 11 21:34:37 Hang on, that's different... Sep 11 21:34:38 what did it output when run manually? Sep 11 21:34:59 Just noticed something different in the tutorial vs the sample file. Let me test this. Sep 11 21:35:47 what's your service for anyway? Sep 11 21:36:15 Kinda stupid. Getting annoyed about losing system sounds when using voice dialing. Sep 11 21:36:27 So, trying to put together an app that will go restart pulseaudio with a single icon tap. Sep 11 21:36:42 I'd prefer to link it to exiting the Voice Dial app, but figured this was the first step. :) Sep 11 21:37:16 So anyway, noticed that the DBUS file just called run-js-service, rather than run-homebrew-js-service. When I ran manually with the homebrew command, it barfed on something else that I'll have to track down. Sep 11 21:37:24 might be able to patch voice dialing, once your service works Sep 11 21:37:37 Would certainly be interested in giving it a shot. Sep 11 21:37:38 ah Sep 11 21:39:21 Yahtzee. Time to go rejigger the files correctly. Will also drop a line to the author of the app once I confirm the source files are incorrect. Sep 11 21:39:53 Oh, hang on... The dbus file in the source is correct. Sep 11 21:40:01 The one that was placed in those locations is wrong. Sep 11 21:40:22 So maybe something's still wonky with the install scripts. Sep 11 21:40:33 ok... does your ipk contain the scripts? Sep 11 21:40:50 you have to add them, palm-package doesn't do it Sep 11 21:41:10 Well, that's good to know. The sample didn't discuss that. Sep 11 21:41:18 How would one go about adding them? Sep 11 21:41:47 add them using ar Sep 11 21:42:05 Do I remember reading something about the MacOS ar not being compatible with IPK? Sep 11 21:42:08 after running palm-package Sep 11 21:43:15 haven't seen that Sep 11 21:43:35 it can extract their contents fine Sep 11 21:43:43 Okay, will give it a try. Sep 11 21:46:57 Alright, I've added the files, installed, and rebooted. Let's see what happens. :) Sep 11 21:48:14 Okay, DBUS file looks like it's better formatted now. Sep 11 21:48:48 And successfully ran the ID command as root. Now to switch it over to actually trying to fix the audio problem. Thanks for your help! Sep 11 21:48:58 np Sep 11 21:50:53 is Sep 11 21:54:28 Okay, successfully restarting pulseaudio from an icon. Cool. :) Sep 11 22:00:25 does anyone have a cross compile environemnt for the touchpad set up? Sep 11 22:00:37 their gstreamer is no longer neutered like it was in the pre days Sep 11 22:00:45 so additional plugins can be easily added Sep 11 22:01:05 just tested the the asf muxer from debian and it seems to be picked up fine (though the asf demuxer fails due to a symbol missing) Sep 11 22:01:25 so I just want to recompile the missing modules to get more codec support Sep 11 22:01:28 hi folks. Sep 11 22:01:44 spotter: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Building_Apps_and_Kernels Sep 11 22:02:59 rwhitby, is /srv/preware a req? Sep 11 22:03:06 or can I put it anywhere? Sep 11 22:03:10 I had a question regarding the default settings in preware. I mistakenly deleted a channel/URL link from the list of defaults. Is it possible to figure out which one is missing and how to get it back? Sep 11 22:03:30 this is for my touchpad. Sep 11 22:03:42 spotter: you can put it anywhere, but you should translate back to those paths when you talk to anyone about problems Sep 11 22:03:59 ok Sep 11 22:05:33 rwhitby, it fails Sep 11 22:06:06 url -f -R -L -o ../../downloads/arm-2009q1-203-arm-none-linux-gnueabi-i686-pc-linux-gnu.tar.bz2.tmp http://www.codesourcery.com/sgpp/lite/arm/portal/package4571/public/arm-none-linux-gnueabi/arm-2009q1-203-arm-none-linux-gnueabi-i686-pc-linux-gnu.tar.bz2 fails Sep 11 22:06:36 you are taken to a page at mentor.com Sep 11 22:10:03 FoxFireX: ping Sep 11 22:10:09 Yes? Sep 11 22:11:18 FoxFireX: you were looking for root/jail help? Sep 11 22:11:24 So is it possible to restore my default feeds in preware? Can anyone help me please? This is for a touchpad. Sep 11 22:11:27 Yes, but I think I've got it straightened out now. Sep 11 22:11:30 spotter: yep, mentor bought codesourcery Sep 11 22:11:40 The tutorial I was following didn't mention a rather crucial step. Sep 11 22:11:46 Aloona: swipe to delete all the feeds, then reinstall Preware Sep 11 22:11:59 FoxFireX: what tutorial? Sep 11 22:12:01 rwhitby, the point is the Makefile no longer works Sep 11 22:12:07 http://mobilecoder.wordpress.com/2011/03/18/using-the-homebrew-javascript-service-framework/#comment-245 Sep 11 22:12:22 oh, you're using that. Sep 11 22:12:27 thanks rwhitby. will try this in a bit and report back. Sep 11 22:12:34 Don't sound so disappointed. ;) Sep 11 22:12:37 FoxFireX: I personally use the techniques shown in http://git.webos-internals.org/applications/hello/ Sep 11 22:13:00 Will take a look; was by last night and that was the one someone pointed me to. Sep 11 22:13:19 Although since it's working now, I'll need to see a definite benefit to switch over. Sep 11 22:13:58 your call. just note that no-one here uses that one Sep 11 22:14:03 rwhitby: does that allow node to run as root? Sep 11 22:14:06 Fair enough. Sep 11 22:14:06 yes Sep 11 22:15:14 FoxFireX: when you get SDL Terminal working on TouchPad, we'll be happy to work out how you can get it in the Preware feeds. Sep 11 22:16:14 May have me confused with someone else, unless you're handing out assignments to random passers-by. :) Sep 11 22:16:32 spotter: what Makefile is trying to download that file? Sep 11 22:16:51 from git Sep 11 22:16:54 make toolchain Sep 11 22:17:09 https://sourcery.mentor.com/sgpp/lite/arm/portal/release1802 Sep 11 22:17:18 FoxFireX: my apologies, that was fenfir Sep 11 22:17:27 spotter: which git ? Sep 11 22:17:36 FoxFireX: what are you working on ? Sep 11 22:18:06 Np. Right now, simple restart of pulseaudio after VoiceDial kills system sounds. Getting it running from an app first, may look at doing a patch if that goes well. Sep 11 22:18:21 And that much is already working, just needs a nicer icon/interface for the brief time it's running. Sep 11 22:18:33 git clone git://git.webos-internals.org/preware/build.git Sep 11 22:18:47 FoxFireX: nice. is the service safe against command injection by rogue JS apps? Sep 11 22:19:18 Doesn't accept any input parameters. You get one service call, restart, which executes a command line to stop, pause, start the pulseaudio service. Sep 11 22:19:39 (Well, technically two at the moment, testing stuff. Will be one in a bit.) Sep 11 22:20:32 spotter: ok, I just pushed some alternate paths Sep 11 22:20:43 FoxFireX: perfect Sep 11 22:20:52 spotter: git pull Sep 11 22:21:30 done Sep 11 22:22:06 curl: (22) The requested URL returned error: 404 Sep 11 22:22:47 http://sources.nslu2-linux.org/sources/arm-none-linux-gnueabi/arm-2009q1-203-arm-none-linux-gnueabi-i686-pc-linux-gnu.tar.bz2 Sep 11 22:24:23 strange. i see it in http://sources.nslu2-linux.org/sources/ Sep 11 22:24:53 and can download it in my browser Sep 11 22:25:16 spotter: you can't download it? Sep 11 22:25:20 notice Sep 11 22:25:21 http://sources.nslu2-linux.org/sources/arm-none-linux-gnueabi/arm-2009q1-203-arm-none-linux-gnueabi-i686-pc-linux-gnu.tar.bz2 Sep 11 22:25:25 there's a dir after sources Sep 11 22:25:36 its in sources/ itself Sep 11 22:26:15 spotter: fixed, thanks. Sep 11 22:26:33 downloading now Sep 11 22:27:21 does uberkernal provide any performance benefits if you dont overclock? Sep 11 22:28:10 http://sources.nslu2-linux.org/sources/arm-2007q3-51-arm-none-linux-gnueabi-i686-pc-linux-gnu.tar.bz2 fails Sep 11 22:28:40 403 forbidden Sep 11 22:28:46 its there, but not fetchable Sep 11 22:32:03 spotter: try now Sep 11 22:32:20 same error Sep 11 22:32:42 hey Sep 11 22:33:28 anyone get kde plasma running? Sep 11 22:34:36 my tp reboots when i startt kde Sep 11 22:37:04 rwhitby, anything? Sep 11 22:42:47 spotter: I think it may be a caching issue Sep 11 22:42:53 cause I chmod'd it on the server Sep 11 22:43:19 ok, giving up for now Sep 11 22:43:21 will try later Sep 11 22:43:45 spotter: you could also google search for that filename Sep 11 22:43:51 I did Sep 11 22:43:54 suprisingly difficult Sep 11 22:43:55 why do people advise installing the unthrottle download patch? the notes say it's for the pre, but people are saying its a must-have for touchpad? Sep 11 22:43:59 everyone points to codesourcery Sep 11 22:44:17 spotter: and the URLs for this stuff at mentor are giving out 404s Sep 11 22:44:47 codecourcery redirects to mentor's home page Sep 11 22:44:55 not to the right location Sep 11 22:46:43 we found the right location on mentor. 404's. Sep 11 22:46:57 it'll be in the logs of the channel from yesterday Sep 11 22:53:08 rwhitby, someone should update the git :) Sep 11 22:53:32 spotter: why? those links were 404 too Sep 11 22:53:58 I meant the in the build Sep 11 22:54:01 that's in git Sep 11 22:54:18 basically http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Building_Apps_and_Kernels doesn't work Sep 11 22:54:43 why not? Sep 11 22:54:50 get the toolchain from somewhere and it's fine Sep 11 22:55:02 whoa Sep 11 22:57:00 hrm, libreoffice doesn't start on my tp Sep 11 22:58:35 rwhitby: I'll probably go ahead and take a look at converting this to the framework you pointed out, but probably not for a few days anyway. Just happy I've got an initial proof of concept. Once it's migrated, I'll probably be back to pester about learning how to do patches and get things into Preware. Appreciate all the help from the channel. Sep 11 22:59:18 FoxFireX: no problem. Sep 11 22:59:23 Night, all. Sep 11 23:00:29 * rwhitby bbl Sep 11 23:17:52 uh hello Sep 11 23:18:02 i am having some trouble install ubuntuchroot Sep 11 23:18:08 i have installed and built the jar file already Sep 11 23:18:19 my touchpad starts up with the linux penguin in place of hte HP logo Sep 11 23:18:32 it boots and I can log into the WebOS profile Sep 11 23:18:57 now when it comes to the step: Sep 11 23:18:59 "How to get the optional ext3fs partition mounted at device boot" Sep 11 23:19:16 i encounter a problem at the line marked: Sep 11 23:19:26 echo "/dev/mapper/store-ext3fs /media/ext3fs ext3 noatime,data=writeback 0 0" >> /etc/fstab Sep 11 23:19:28 mount -a Sep 11 23:19:44 it says "No such file or directory" Sep 11 23:19:56 for which command? Sep 11 23:20:37 the " mount -a " command Sep 11 23:20:57 ls /dev/mapper ? Sep 11 23:20:59 sushiserf - did you uncomment ext3 partion when you make the doctor? Sep 11 23:21:06 Yeah Sep 11 23:21:10 i didnt do anything Sep 11 23:21:29 i just followed the directions Sep 11 23:21:41 you made the jar file right Sep 11 23:21:47 yes Sep 11 23:22:06 you did like make DEVICE=touchpad CARRIER=wifi all Sep 11 23:22:08 right? Sep 11 23:22:10 yes Sep 11 23:22:13 before you did that Sep 11 23:22:21 did you change the make file? Sep 11 23:22:22 ohhhhh Sep 11 23:22:26 noooo i missed a step >_ to enable ext3 Sep 11 23:22:36 there you go :> Sep 11 23:22:41 ack thank you two so much Sep 11 23:22:54 it wont let you mount if you having made the partition :P Sep 11 23:23:05 wow i can't type atm ;x Sep 11 23:23:21 hm Sep 11 23:23:26 is 2 gb enough for a partition? Sep 11 23:23:36 sure Sep 11 23:23:49 yeah Sep 11 23:23:51 k Sep 11 23:23:54 i used 8 Sep 11 23:24:02 just cuss i have no need for the room :P Sep 11 23:24:07 yea i think ill use 8 Sep 11 23:24:11 i have a 32gb model Sep 11 23:24:22 not sure what is going to use all that space :\ Sep 11 23:25:44 unf damn terminal and these capital letters Sep 11 23:26:30 i got tired of the terminal and started using novaterm ;P Sep 11 23:26:37 copy and paste ftw :P Sep 11 23:27:18 i was using my holy windows comp for most of this Sep 11 23:27:25 i have kubuntu on my laptop Sep 11 23:27:32 only bc i lvoe how kde looks *-* Sep 11 23:27:40 nova term should work on either Sep 11 23:27:44 unless you have w7 Sep 11 23:27:50 it doesn't seem to like my w7 Sep 11 23:27:56 it works on w7 x64 Sep 11 23:28:05 not on mine :P Sep 11 23:28:18 give me and error on every keypress Sep 11 23:29:41 oh that Sep 11 23:29:42 yea Sep 11 23:29:48 i just click continue each time >_> Sep 11 23:30:12 not really usable like that imo :P Sep 11 23:30:17 although Sep 11 23:30:25 you can install the virtualpc Sep 11 23:30:28 that seems to work Sep 11 23:30:38 err xp mode or whatever its called Sep 11 23:31:26 i was playing mass effect Sep 11 23:31:37 no virtual pc or everything runs slow :( Sep 11 23:35:28 Hey guys, if I apply the bypass_first_use_app patch with metadoctor, how can I connect my touchpad to a webos account later? Sep 11 23:36:44 impostah Sep 11 23:37:33 appreciated. Sep 11 23:38:47 * rwhitby loves how folks are doing things which can potentially wipe their whole device and screw up their profile, and they miss a step! Sep 11 23:39:15 Ahaha welp. Guilty. Sep 11 23:39:31 * rwhitby wonders if heart surgeons ever "miss a step" Sep 11 23:40:14 heh Sep 11 23:40:17 i know engineers do.. Sep 11 23:40:21 i do it all the time >_>; Sep 11 23:40:35 and then go into #hearttransplants and say "my patient just died. I did the final sutures perfectly ..." Sep 11 23:40:51 "did you put the new heart in?" "oh." Sep 11 23:44:28 lol Sep 11 23:51:56 Isnt puffthemagic the maintainer of the tIDE app? Sep 11 23:52:31 primary dev, I believe Sep 11 23:55:18 Just wondering if the app will ever have a compile and debug option down the road Sep 12 00:12:04 ok help Sep 12 00:12:05 D: Sep 12 00:12:25 i uncommented the line marked EXT3FS_PARTITION_SIZE = 2GB Sep 12 00:12:34 and i chanced the 2 to an 8 Sep 12 00:16:12 nickpacnakes: I haven't done so with touchpad but probably impostah would be how to log in with palm profile later Sep 12 00:16:43 or whatever they're calling that account these days :) Sep 12 00:18:09 yeah thats what bpadalino said as well, looks like it worked. Sep 12 00:18:11 thanks Sep 12 00:18:12 the mount -a command is still not working Sep 12 00:20:19 :o? Sep 12 00:30:51 rwhitby, in the toolchain installation stuff, why don't you use configure --prefix=.... instead of basically doing the make install manually Sep 12 00:43:03 uh Sep 12 00:43:07 can i ask for a change to make to the wiki? Sep 12 00:44:43 what's the change ? Sep 12 00:47:51 webkit doesn't really have anything to do with networking or certificates, it uses one of many hook network libraries so the configuration would depend on which of those was in use Sep 12 00:48:01 strings on the webkit lib should tell you Sep 12 01:04:10 No way to change voltage of TP in Govnah? Booo :-( Sep 12 01:08:31 govnah is not what determines what can be changed Sep 12 01:08:40 its the kernel Sep 12 01:10:20 * uNiXpSyChO his kernels has the ability Sep 12 01:10:47 sushiserf: Just make the change Sep 12 01:10:52 That's what wikis are for Sep 12 01:14:41 Abyssul-TP, when i get around to adding projects, there will be a way to add a "build/run" command to the project Sep 12 01:14:53 spotter: which particular file are you talking about? in general we don't rebuild toolchains. Sep 12 01:15:22 PuffTheMagic: just curious if it was on ur todo list. What languages will itnsupport Sep 12 01:15:50 Abyssul-TP, the build/run command would be sh Sep 12 01:15:50 rwhitby, nm, I figured it out Sep 12 01:16:13 Abyssul-TP, Tide supports highlighting for lots of langs though Sep 12 01:16:42 Sh? Like the script file? Sep 12 01:17:10 though, not completely Sep 12 01:17:16 having a problem rebuilding gstreamer Sep 12 01:17:27 Abyssul-TP, idk yet as i havent gotten there, whhy? Sep 12 01:18:19 Just curious. Would be nice to use my TP to compile some simple C++ programs Sep 12 01:19:58 glib prefix is bad for its pkgconfig file Sep 12 01:21:39 Absurd-, well its not gonna be a complete shell, but if u had amake file.... Sep 12 01:21:45 Uberkernel can on the Pre2 thats why i asked. Sep 12 01:21:49 it would definately support something like running make Sep 12 01:22:16 Abyssul-TP: yep, and when touchpad voltage modifications are well tested on the touchpad then the touchpad uberkernel will too Sep 12 01:22:16 PuffTheMagic: not to big of a deal for me. Sep 12 01:23:24 spotter: any improvements on glib staging would be appreciated. what's there was just to get something working, not considered complete or perfect Sep 12 01:23:37 Hehe, should i be able to lower the system voltage of a pre2 to the lowest setting stable? Its working so far for me. Sep 12 01:25:40 can i ask for a change to make to the wiki? > this page Sep 12 01:25:45 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor#How_to_get_the_optional_ext3fs_partition_mounted_at_device_boot Sep 12 01:26:00 i tihnk i might be better if a makefile was ... set up for more simplicity and functionality. Sep 12 01:26:28 oh wait nvm Sep 12 01:26:40 i keep forgetting that webos isnt just hte touchpad Sep 12 01:26:41 sushiserf: it's a wiki, you can edit it :) Sep 12 01:26:41 nvm Sep 12 01:26:53 Yeah, edit yourself Sep 12 01:27:16 i keep forgetting that webos isnt just hte touchpad - was going to make changes that pertained to the tp Sep 12 01:44:11 rwhitby, 1) the pkgconfig is prefixed to /opt 2) when I try to compile gstreamer it seems to be pulling in from my /usr unsure why Sep 12 01:51:52 I wish I could use my pre keyboard on TP via BT Sep 12 01:52:56 qusetion Sep 12 01:52:59 what is the root password Sep 12 01:59:44 sushiserf: there is none? Sep 12 02:02:04 #2 seems to be my fault, #1 is an issue in the toolchain though Sep 12 02:03:19 did you install stuff using optware ? Sep 12 02:06:45 spotter: issue with the toolchain or the build of glib? the glib in the toolchain directory is a quick hack repackaging of glib from optware, it is not built from scratch. It's basically just to get the headers and some libraries to dummy-link against, since any apps will use the real glib libraries on the device. Sep 12 02:08:28 rwhitby, example Sep 12 02:08:30 libgobject-2.0.la:dependency_libs=' -L/home/slug/optware/pre/staging/opt/lib /opt/lib/libglib-2.0.la' Sep 12 02:08:37 so libtool will fail Sep 12 02:08:44 unless setup exactly like that Sep 12 02:08:45 spotter: yeah, those .la files are from the optware build Sep 12 02:09:05 they should be removed, or someone should update the toolchain/glib to build from scratch and set prefix correctly Sep 12 02:09:30 but curl which is built from it, also is messed up Sep 12 02:09:35 or so I think Sep 12 02:09:36 # Directory that this library needs to be installed in: Sep 12 02:09:36 libdir='/usr/local/lib Sep 12 02:10:02 I made a pcre package for kismet and then found out there was already one available. Sep 12 02:10:05 optware is http://www.optware-project.org/ from which a lot of this stuff comes when we need a quick fix solution Sep 12 02:10:21 spotter: suggestions on how to make it all work better are very welcome Sep 12 02:10:22 i think its a good idea to have a proper toolchain Sep 12 02:11:04 spotter: I fully agree. this stuff was put in there for the wIRC build. it should be redone properly. Sep 12 02:11:06 working on it Sep 12 02:11:15 or somewhat at least Sep 12 02:11:18 rwhitby, the ipkg used to build pcre is missing Sep 12 02:11:21 might take me time Sep 12 02:11:39 spotter: no hurry from me. good solutions always take time. Sep 12 02:11:53 went to build it here and 404'd on me Sep 12 02:12:13 wrea: what's the url ? Sep 12 02:13:59 rwhitby, http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/optware/pre/cross/unstable/pcre_8.00-1_arm.ipk Sep 12 02:15:21 hmm - dunno where that's gone. will need to ask ka6sox-away about that one Sep 12 02:15:37 rwhitby: can I have the link for the toolchain? Sep 12 02:15:57 tmzt: it's in the webos-internals build makefiles Sep 12 02:16:03 should just work Sep 12 02:17:36 found it Sep 12 02:17:39 thanks Sep 12 02:19:50 rwhitby, just curious as to using optware vs being built from scratch. Sep 12 02:20:01 easy and quick? Sep 12 02:20:23 wrea: in general, we've just used optware stuff as a quick bootstrap. we'd like to build stuff from scratch where it makes sense. Sep 12 02:21:07 is there a prob if i set a root pw Sep 12 02:35:45 ping anyone Sep 12 02:35:53 is it just no talking or am I not really connected Sep 12 02:36:01 you're connected Sep 12 02:37:16 summatusmentis: thanks! good to know lol Sep 12 02:37:27 I wonder what's with all the tumble weeds up in here Sep 12 02:37:46 not all channels are always active, all the time Sep 12 02:38:01 afa Sep 12 02:38:06 hehe ya I guess Sep 12 02:38:11 err, sorry Sep 12 02:38:40 well just a PSA.... I just got $373 back from Costco for my touchpad.. they are finally offering price adjustments Sep 12 02:39:49 my brother had to get a manager... but for me the person I used to work with did mine and I was the first one he had done Sep 12 02:40:25 so.. my guess is they are still turning people away even though they shouldn't be. so if that's the case you just have to ask for a manager. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Sep 12 02:59:57 2011