**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Sep 14 02:59:57 2011 Sep 14 03:03:54 PatrickC: in fact there were leaked doctors before there were pre's in the wild Sep 14 03:04:22 wow Sep 14 03:05:49 pre2 took months before the doc was released Sep 14 03:06:16 well.. official doctor lol Sep 14 03:06:19 but yeah Sep 14 03:06:23 just like 2.0 Sep 14 03:06:26 SDK* Sep 14 03:59:02 destinal_, im thinking of adding reverse tether to future freeTether Sep 14 04:00:48 rwhitby, how goes your gui lvm? Sep 14 04:02:48 PuffTheMagic_: that would be cool Sep 14 04:04:22 Question about patches: I submitted a patch which modifies the adobe reader for WebOS 3.0.2 and it was rejected since files in /media/cryptofs/apps cannot be modified. Sep 14 04:04:27 Any way around that? Sep 14 04:05:01 since when could files in /media/cryptofs/apps can't be modded? Sep 14 04:05:17 s/can't/not/ Sep 14 04:05:17 PatrickC meant: since when could files in /media/cryptofs/apps not be modded? Sep 14 04:05:52 I got an email saying the patch was rejected, since the automatic patch submission system cannot approve changing files in /media/cryptofs/apps Sep 14 04:06:07 ohwow Sep 14 04:06:11 didn't know that Sep 14 04:06:48 I assume it's only fair, since you don't want patches to change exising apps, but maybe for built in apps, this could be approved? Sep 14 04:06:57 exising=existing Sep 14 04:07:10 sagi_, ask rwhitby Sep 14 04:07:13 he can prob help you. Sep 14 04:07:21 Your patch fixes up adobe reader on TP yea? Sep 14 04:07:27 yes Sep 14 04:07:40 he may be able to help you get it made up the right way/approved Sep 14 04:07:40 what's wrong with it? Sep 14 04:07:44 it changes the default setting which render PDFs in higher resolution Sep 14 04:07:58 the default setting make most PDFs unreadable. The resolution is too low. Sep 14 04:08:11 yea i saw Sep 14 04:08:19 im interested in this patch :) Sep 14 04:08:23 The way it works, a C service exports the PDF as images, then the UI loads those images Sep 14 04:08:26 sagi_: it's a technical issue. Since files in /media/cryptofs/apps do not have md5sums in /usr/lib/ipkg/info, the AUPT scripts cannot determine whether the files concerned have been modified by an OTA update or not. Sep 14 04:08:26 as long as its working 100% Sep 14 04:08:47 rwhitby: so should I resubmitt, or else? Sep 14 04:09:10 sagi_: if you use the AUPT scripts as they stand today, they will delete the patched file completely on uninstall, thereby rendering the patched app corrupt. Sep 14 04:09:32 I see Sep 14 04:09:43 sagi_: the patch packaging technology simply cannot technically handle patches to files in /media/cryptofs/apps Sep 14 04:10:22 rwhitby: makes sense. I didn't know about the md5sums not included. Sep 14 04:10:27 someone needs to add functionality to http://git.webos-internals.org/preware/build/tree/autopatch/postinst to handle that case. Sep 14 04:10:34 it's not a trivial task Sep 14 04:11:01 So I guess setting up a Wiki page for now should do for the technical people. Sep 14 04:11:10 it's not a policy issue at all, it's a technical issue. Sep 14 04:11:32 (so they can patch the file manually I mean) Sep 14 04:11:34 note that attempting to install such patches with Internalz or WOSQI will also have the same failure mode on uninstall, since they use the same scripts. Sep 14 04:12:20 a wiki page with manual instructions (not a .patch file, cause people will use Internalz and then complain when their app gets deleted) is a good thing Sep 14 04:12:41 ok. I'll do that then. Thanks! Sep 14 04:12:51 rwhitby, so patching it manually is ok? wont hurt? Sep 14 04:27:36 sagi_, I have noticed the PDFs in the adobe reader do not actually contain text or any PDF functions. they all turn into images. is that what you were saying? Sep 14 04:28:00 sagi_, also what does your patch do? it renders the images to a lower resolution or to their actual resolution? Sep 14 04:28:22 * Jack87 likes to scan his text books to pdf Sep 14 04:34:20 rwhitby, I'm not too familiar with all this. But, Is there someway he can hook the update process of an app. To un-patch the file? before update? Sep 14 04:34:33 and then re-patch? or allow the user to re-patch? Sep 14 04:36:05 Jack87: It changes the default resolution to a higher value. So the exported PDF pages are higher res PNG files, which are actually readable. Sep 14 04:36:52 Jack87: every PDF page you view is exported as a PNG image to a directory in /media/internal/appdata Sep 14 04:37:19 ah is it stored there until the reader app is closed? Sep 14 04:37:41 Jack87: So the next time you view the same PDF, it's much faster. It keeps the cache forever as far as I can tell. Even after a restart. Sep 14 04:38:23 its a great idea. If only we knew how to hook it :) Sep 14 04:38:34 sagi_, wouldnt that cause your media/internal drive to fill up fairly quickily (if you are using large PDFs one of my textbooks is over 400mb) Sep 14 04:38:37 Jack87: It is capable of keeping different cached versions of the same PDF in different reolutions. Which makes me suspect they wanted to integrate it as a feature, but never had the time. Sep 14 04:39:19 Jack87: for scientific articles, every page is ~300KB PNG file. My patch changes it to ~600KB/page. Sep 14 04:39:40 kind of annoying to store a pdf file as well as pngs Sep 14 04:40:03 hum for users of large PDF files it might not be a great solution? Sep 14 04:40:15 i guess i can delete em at the end of each semester Sep 14 04:40:39 you could add something on re-start to remove them Sep 14 04:40:41 Jack87: I agree, but since the UI is all web, how else would you display a PDF, except for an SDL app? Sep 14 04:40:58 if you are worried about space Sep 14 04:41:24 one of the init files Sep 14 04:41:31 Quickoffice wrote the UI for the adobe reader, Adobe supplied the binary service which exports the PDF to PNG. Kind of their version to ptftk. Sep 14 04:41:31 rhcp[linux], the problem there is when it comes to reviewing that PDF it takes a long ass time to re render 600+ pages Sep 14 04:41:47 Jack87, Then, you have no option. but to do it manually :) Sep 14 04:41:59 sagi_, thanks for helping me understand Sep 14 04:42:03 Every page will be rendered when you first view it. It does not render the whole PDF automatically. Sep 14 04:42:15 id love to figure out how the hell to hook the update process/install process Sep 14 04:42:20 sagi_, ahh I see Sep 14 04:42:30 sed or w/e editor out the patch / update / sed it back Sep 14 04:42:37 would be uber++ Sep 14 04:42:39 rhcp[linux]: I agree. Don't know as well. Sep 14 04:42:39 thats why changing pages is a bitch on the big books Sep 14 04:43:00 Jack87: Yep. Notice the 2nd time you read the same page it's always much faster. Sep 14 04:43:26 sagi_, does the phone pdf reader act in this fashion to? Sep 14 04:44:11 Jack87: You could patch it to render the next 10 pages or so. Which should make scrolling faster. I have not checked the phone PDF reader. Only the Touchpad. I have Pre-, and the PDF reader there is barely useable. Sep 14 04:44:47 sagi_, yeah on pre- its worthless. and pre2 isnt a whole lot better Sep 14 04:44:59 sagi_, it be nice to have an option to render an entire book Sep 14 04:45:11 often on textbooks you are jumping from one page to another Sep 14 04:46:06 Jack87: It should be a simple modification. I don't know Enyo that well, only did mojo, but adding a menu entry for that, then have the service render the whole book. Sep 14 04:46:43 Jack87: this should do the trick. I also want to patch it to KEEP THE SCREEN ON, like the Kindle app. Sep 14 04:47:41 sagi_, all that sounds great and handy! Sep 14 04:49:05 I'll add that Wiki page, then update it when I have things figured out to add more functionality. You'll have to patch it manually, but it's worth it in my opinion. Sep 14 04:49:44 sagi_, totally do able. eventually you may find a patching solution Sep 14 04:50:42 Yea and hook the update/install process Sep 14 04:50:45 however that is done Sep 14 04:50:50 so you can unpatch/patch Sep 14 04:51:04 Yep. Sep 14 04:51:50 Anyhow, rwhitby- thanks for your help, catch you guys later! Good night. Sep 14 04:51:52 its hackish. But you could wrap the binary that does the install. and catch the filename Sep 14 04:51:55 lol Sep 14 04:52:04 dono if that would work Sep 14 04:52:13 sagi_, thanks. have a good one hope to see you around soon. shoot us a link to the wiki page Sep 14 04:52:23 Sure. Sep 14 04:52:26 Yea, Ill def try it Sep 14 04:52:27 soonish Sep 14 04:52:32 i read alot of PDF's Sep 14 04:52:49 I promise this will make your eyes feel better ;-) Sep 14 04:53:08 sagi_: np Sep 14 04:54:39 http://forums.precentral.net/webos-development/297963-investigation-poor-pdf-performance-touchpad.html Sep 14 04:54:39 he linked me here Sep 14 04:54:57 if someone is bored/good at wiki can translate it in :) Sep 14 05:06:32 pocek is polish too i bet Sep 14 05:06:32 so i didn't install it that way Sep 14 05:06:32 lol Sep 14 05:06:57 did you use dpkg -i name-of-the-package.deb ? Sep 14 05:06:57 sudo of course Sep 14 05:07:37 new to linux, and i'm not sure how to install the deb, do i keep using the command line? Sep 14 05:08:03 yeah, i'd just do that Sep 14 05:08:03 double click on the .deb file? Sep 14 05:08:03 sudo dpkg -i name-of-package Sep 14 05:08:05 i downloaded it by just clicking the link in the wiki Sep 14 05:08:05 that might work? Sep 14 05:08:06 .deb Sep 14 05:08:20 PatrickC that opens up the software center Sep 14 05:08:33 but it'll install it Sep 14 05:08:35 it should, but i guess it doesn't Sep 14 05:08:36 lol Sep 14 05:08:40 should i have chose to run it from there? Sep 14 05:08:58 a GUI install seems easier then CLI Sep 14 05:09:05 arlamczyk: what is it? Sep 14 05:09:43 novacom? Sep 14 05:09:59 i installed java with the command line, but then the wiki switches gears and has the links to d/l novacom Sep 14 05:09:59 ubuntu software center should install it fine Sep 14 05:10:20 that's cause novacom isn't in an apt-get repo Sep 14 05:10:39 when i used the software center it gave 'The package is of bad quality' Sep 14 05:10:45 hmm.. Sep 14 05:10:48 so i stopped Sep 14 05:10:49 I got that before Sep 14 05:10:54 I forget how I fixed it.. Sep 14 05:11:06 and came here Sep 14 05:11:08 #webos might be able to help also Sep 14 05:11:18 it claims i can ignore it and install anyway Sep 14 05:11:35 did you try that? Sep 14 05:11:35 no Sep 14 05:11:35 lol Sep 14 05:11:40 try a fresh download Sep 14 05:11:59 maybe something corrupted Sep 14 05:13:02 there is a link to some help with this Sep 14 05:13:02 just saw it Sep 14 05:14:28 so just save the novacom deb file again? Sep 14 05:14:39 that's what I would do Sep 14 05:14:51 maybe the download corrupted... Sep 14 05:15:14 with the software center app Sep 14 05:15:41 try downloading directly from Palm Sep 14 05:16:02 from the link in the wiki? Sep 14 05:16:12 looks like it comes from palm Sep 14 05:16:12 that might be ubuntu warning that it can't verify a signature on the .deb Sep 14 05:17:12 The package is of bad quality Sep 14 05:17:28 The installation of a package which violates the quality standards isn't allowed. This could cause serious problems on your computer. Please contact the person or organisation who provided this package file and include the details beneath. Sep 14 05:18:15 Lintian check results for /tmp/palm-novacom_1.0.64_i386.deb: Sep 14 05:18:15 E: palm-novacom: maintainer-address-malformed Oleg Matcovschi , Steve Lemke Sep 14 05:18:20 should i ignore and install it? Sep 14 05:18:26 yea Sep 14 05:18:32 ok Sep 14 05:18:33 My veer is near, but still says the 15th. Sep 14 05:18:42 my veer is near too Sep 14 05:18:53 :P Sep 14 05:19:32 you guys will love this question Sep 14 05:20:04 how do i get out of root in the c/l? Sep 14 05:20:23 exit Sep 14 05:20:59 * scoutcamper was tempted to say rm -rf /boot but that would have been mean ;) Sep 14 05:21:00 hahaha Sep 14 05:21:03 or just rm -rf / Sep 14 05:21:04 :) Sep 14 05:21:09 i installed this ubuntu from within windows Sep 14 05:21:22 rm -rf /boot? Sep 14 05:21:22 webos Sep 14 05:21:23 dont think it would do much :P Sep 14 05:21:23 will that run without sudo? Sep 14 05:21:23 DR Sep 14 05:21:30 if you rm bootie :P Sep 14 05:21:33 thats another story Sep 14 05:21:38 lol Sep 14 05:21:40 PatrickC, he asked how to de-escalate user on a desktop Sep 14 05:21:59 scoutcamper: I know Sep 14 05:21:59 rhcp[linux], ^^ Sep 14 05:22:02 would rm -rf / run without sudo? Sep 14 05:22:21 he was root, so yes, when you are root sudo is un necesary Sep 14 05:22:37 this command line usage is new to me Sep 14 05:22:45 scoutcamper: ah true Sep 14 05:24:17 * Jack87 thinks arlamczyk did wubi ? Sep 14 05:24:17 arlamczyk: come from windows? Sep 14 05:24:18 so when the wiki says to navagate to your home directory i should do that in the command line? Sep 14 05:24:18 yes, still on vista Sep 14 05:24:18 cd ~/ Sep 14 05:24:46 i think i used the wubi, what the wiki said to use Sep 14 05:25:27 arlamczyk: is windows still running, or did you have to reboot to get to ubuntu? Sep 14 05:25:30 arlamczyk, you are booted into ubuntu right now? using xchat to talk to us? and using terminal in a terminal window right? Sep 14 05:25:36 rebooted into ubuntu Sep 14 05:25:50 wubi Sep 14 05:25:51 yes jack Sep 14 05:25:52 ok what are you trying to do? Sep 14 05:26:18 Received CTCP VERSION reply from acfrazier: If you wanted to know what I'm running, just f****** ask. Sep 14 05:26:19 lol Sep 14 05:27:04 wrong nick, but still lol Sep 14 05:27:05 i am working my way through the webos2 upgrade wiki, and i got bogged down at the metadoctor stage Sep 14 05:27:25 i think i'm ok right now Sep 14 05:27:26 wpa_supplicant patch no workie Sep 14 05:27:58 arlamczyk: hope you get it working :) Sep 14 05:28:00 as in, back in business Sep 14 05:28:26 wpa? for webos? Sep 14 05:28:30 i'm going to stay here while i'm toiling Sep 14 05:28:31 someone try to get adhoc working? Sep 14 05:28:54 Perhaps :P Sep 14 05:29:05 that would be a neat patch Sep 14 05:29:26 someone was asking me today. About when you open a lot of tabs on both the stock browser + advanced browser Sep 14 05:29:29 the tabs get fuzzy? Sep 14 05:29:36 i never even looked Sep 14 05:30:38 ok, so i finished the detour to the metadoctor wiki, and now i'm back at the official webos 2 upgrade wiki and i'm confused Sep 14 05:30:48 It'd be easier if we knew if hp/palm patched anything Sep 14 05:30:55 arlamczyk: why? Sep 14 05:31:00 what's up? Sep 14 05:32:00 when i click the link in the wiki for palm sdk under ubuntu, it times out Sep 14 05:32:13 go to http://developer.palm.com Sep 14 05:32:20 and download it from there Sep 14 05:32:41 the SDK isn't /needed/ nor is novacom really. you can build it in ubuntu and run it in windows Sep 14 05:32:59 the only /needed/ thing is git/java Sep 14 05:33:07 what version of java did you install Sep 14 05:33:34 seems like the wiki directed me to install ubuntu Sep 14 05:33:37 arlamczyk, are you trying to take your normal pre/pre+ and install webos 2.x on it? Sep 14 05:33:58 vzw pre + to 2.x yes Sep 14 05:34:03 and using the wiki Sep 14 05:34:38 or trying to Sep 14 05:35:03 arlamczyk: do you have a flash drive? Sep 14 05:35:03 arlamczyk, just go run the meta-meta script for it Sep 14 05:35:13 it does all the work for you Sep 14 05:35:24 Jack87: he's having trouble with the SDK/novacom install Sep 14 05:35:34 he isn't to the script part yet (I believe) Sep 14 05:35:57 i'm just using the official wiki Sep 14 05:36:13 i think jack is suggesting a different way altogether Sep 14 05:36:14 arlamczyk: do you have a flash drive? Sep 14 05:36:18 nope Sep 14 05:36:28 PatrickC, he doesnt need sdk or novacom for what he wants to do Sep 14 05:36:30 i have a small one Sep 14 05:36:39 he's skipping the steps you don't need to do if you have a flash drive Sep 14 05:36:40 :) Sep 14 05:36:44 Jack87: I know that Sep 14 05:36:46 arlamczyk: what is the exact URL of the instructions you are following? Sep 14 05:36:55 but he needs a flash drive to skip those steps Sep 14 05:37:07 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_2_Upgrade#MetaDoctor Sep 14 05:37:07 * rwhitby notes that PatrickC and Jack87 know better than to answer any questions before asking that question Sep 14 05:37:31 arlamczyk: which step are you up to? Sep 14 05:37:32 rwhitby: true.. sorry Sep 14 05:37:54 i took the link to the metadoctor install and these guys helped me do that stage Sep 14 05:38:02 now i'm back to the official wiki Sep 14 05:38:28 and the link to the palm sdk under ubuntu times out Sep 14 05:38:29 did you come back when advised at the start of step 2 on the meta-doctor page? Sep 14 05:38:40 yes sir Sep 14 05:39:12 and what host OS are you running this on? Sep 14 05:39:30 right now i'm in ubuntu Sep 14 05:39:42 i used wubi Sep 14 05:39:55 then did the linus steps Sep 14 05:39:58 linux Sep 14 05:40:33 are you running ubuntu on windows? Sep 14 05:40:38 i created the downloads directory and headed back to the official wiki Sep 14 05:40:56 rwhitby: wubi installs ubuntu as a dualboot Sep 14 05:40:57 i rebooted into ubuntu Sep 14 05:41:44 my understanding of it was i had to install ubuntu at the metadoctor stage Sep 14 05:41:56 correct Sep 14 05:41:56 arlamczyk: yep, that's correct Sep 14 05:42:03 i was on vista Sep 14 05:42:22 am trying to follow the steps exactly Sep 14 05:42:22 arlamczyk: ok, you don't actually need novacom until you come to flash the custom doctor you create. Sep 14 05:42:29 arlamczyk: good man. few do :) Sep 14 05:42:59 i'm not sure i completely understand what i'm doing but i am trying to follow the directions Sep 14 05:43:01 ^thats what i said Sep 14 05:43:09 ^ and me Sep 14 05:43:39 arlamczyk: have you been able to connect to your device with a webOS Doctor on your windows machine? Sep 14 05:43:44 or via WOSQI ? Sep 14 05:44:02 arlamczyk, you did the whole git clone thing and all for meta doctor right?? Sep 14 05:44:20 at the metadoctor wiki, i had a concern with ubuntu flagging the install of the novacom deb, but these guys helped me get past that Sep 14 05:44:47 arlamczyk: if you can novaterm to the device in ubuntu, you don't need the SDK. Sep 14 05:45:06 i loaded the preware app for $1 Sep 14 05:45:15 i played with it a bit Sep 14 05:45:22 arlamczyk: if you can't get novaterm to work in ubuntu, you have the option of copying the custom doctor file across to windows and flash the device from there Sep 14 05:45:57 * Jack87 thinks we should help the man create the doctor as sdk and novacom are not needed..... we can figure out how to help him use the doctor after its been made if he needs it Sep 14 05:46:11 arlamczyk: so if the SDK download isn't happening for you, I'd suggest taking that alternate course, which these guys can lead you through. Sep 14 05:46:33 * rwhitby bbl (lunch) Sep 14 05:46:48 i was able to enter developer mode and Sep 14 05:47:04 arlamczyk, pause buddy Sep 14 05:47:10 you ready for this.... Sep 14 05:47:22 im going to lead you through what you need to do step by step Sep 14 05:47:23 it's late here Sep 14 05:47:36 how big does my flash drive need to be? Sep 14 05:47:44 hold on hold on Sep 14 05:47:52 just listen :) Sep 14 05:47:53 ok Sep 14 05:48:18 copy and paste your current prompt in your terminal window here so i have an idea of what you are up to Sep 14 05:48:20 arlamczyk: about 300MB? I think Sep 14 05:48:24 but Jack87 is good Sep 14 05:48:29 and I'm off to bed :) Sep 14 05:48:31 night all Sep 14 05:48:36 thanks Sep 14 05:48:54 arlamczyk@ubuntu:~/meta-doctor$ Sep 14 05:49:19 arlamczyk, do an LS and show me whats in there Sep 14 05:49:24 sorry.. ls Sep 14 05:49:25 ls Sep 14 05:49:28 ok Sep 14 05:49:28 :) Sep 14 05:49:44 downloads hashes Makefile patches scripts Sep 14 05:51:39 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_2_Upgrade#Step_3:_Run_device-specific_MetaDoctor_script Sep 14 05:51:50 ok do step 3 Sep 14 05:52:26 can i mention something? Sep 14 05:52:32 yeah Sep 14 05:52:32 ya Sep 14 05:52:34 of course Sep 14 05:53:21 my vzw pre + was being used on a prepay plan Sep 14 05:53:52 i stopped using it and now use a vzw pre 2 Sep 14 05:54:08 whats your goal with this pre+? Sep 14 05:54:15 and do you have a profile already setup for it? Sep 14 05:54:19 do you want to use this unactivated? Sep 14 05:54:44 so i started toying with it and tried to use guvnah with a new kernel to o/c it Sep 14 05:55:01 you can gain full app catalog access without phone service Sep 14 05:55:13 * PatrickC <3's kernels :) Sep 14 05:55:22 then i just switched gears and thought i'd update it to webos 2.0 and give it to my girlfriend to use Sep 14 05:55:46 arlamczyk, just do this right now while we talk.. Sep 14 05:55:46 ./scripts/meta-verizon-preplus-2.1.0 Sep 14 05:55:49 I believe it needs to be activated *before* going to 2.1 iirc Sep 14 05:55:56 and let her pay for the plan she wants and activate herself Sep 14 05:56:32 use the command line? Sep 14 05:56:32 arlamczyk: yeah, run that cmd while we talk Sep 14 05:56:35 yep Sep 14 05:56:40 from the meta-doctor dir Sep 14 05:56:48 it will download the needed doctors for you Sep 14 05:56:53 unpack them... Sep 14 05:56:55 and repack them Sep 14 05:57:06 4 minutes Sep 14 05:57:39 wait, verizon has 2.1 provisioning.. so I think you are good there Sep 14 05:57:41 anyway... about your GF... did you have a question? Sep 14 05:57:43 as we speak the pre + is activated to my old # but has no $ on it for it to be usable Sep 14 05:58:06 * Jack87 doesnt know how verizon pre pay works Sep 14 05:58:17 you would have to talk to vzw guy about it. Sep 14 05:58:19 * PatrickC doesn't either Sep 14 05:58:32 my thought was put 2.1 on the pre + Sep 14 05:58:36 but something tells me it wont be any different than what you were already doing Sep 14 05:58:39 <-- sprint Sep 14 05:58:58 i use a vzw phone with page plus cellular Sep 14 05:59:18 ok.. ya dude i dunno Sep 14 05:59:34 well, I'm off for realz.. :) Sep 14 05:59:36 night all Sep 14 05:59:40 did you have to do anything special for it to work with page plus? Sep 14 06:00:10 i guess if the 2.1 and activation conflict we can redo it or just put 1.4.5.1 back on it Sep 14 06:00:33 then ya put 2.1 back on once activated :) Sep 14 06:00:57 i just call them and they activate it Sep 14 06:01:10 i can have her activate it and then put the 2.1 on it Sep 14 06:01:14 doesn't matter to me Sep 14 06:01:42 if that is a better way to do this Sep 14 06:01:54 arlamczyk, ok than there should be no concern Sep 14 06:02:35 the pre + didn't work right with the guvnah/other kernels tho Sep 14 06:02:52 i didn't successfully overclock it Sep 14 06:03:07 arlamczyk, you can worry about that stuff later Sep 14 06:03:32 i just reset it and started doing this Sep 14 06:03:49 is it done with the doctor? Sep 14 06:03:51 i felt i just needed to tell someone that! Sep 14 06:03:56 close Sep 14 06:04:19 i think Sep 14 06:05:19 well it downloads two doctors i believe Sep 14 06:05:28 oh no maybe 3? Sep 14 06:05:29 it's still going Sep 14 06:06:00 ya 2 i think. vzw pre+ and pre2 Sep 14 06:06:03 what is a Verizon FrankenPre 2? Sep 14 06:06:18 arlamczyk,i dunno Sep 14 06:06:43 my guess is if you have a GSM pre2 it allows you to turn it into a VZW pre2 by swapping it with a pre + com board Sep 14 06:06:47 it was just listed after the Verizon Pre+ on this step Sep 14 06:07:33 then with that script it makes it so it re assigns tokens to the device to turn it to an actual vzw pre2 with a vzw pre+ com board Sep 14 06:07:36 ok, a window has opened set to english-uk and ireland Sep 14 06:07:53 thats the doctor Sep 14 06:08:02 have you ever ran a webos doctor? Sep 14 06:08:02 do i change it to usa? Sep 14 06:08:06 ya Sep 14 06:08:07 no Sep 14 06:08:16 put phone in recovery mode Sep 14 06:08:24 ok, then do next? Sep 14 06:08:34 hold up Sep 14 06:08:38 plug into computer and follow the prompts on the screen Sep 14 06:08:42 phone isn't connected Sep 14 06:09:02 have to grab the usb cable Sep 14 06:09:03 :) hence why i said plug into computer first as its pretty important ;) Sep 14 06:10:48 pre+ is at the palm profile screen when i plug it in Sep 14 06:11:28 huh Sep 14 06:11:35 ok hit next over and over Sep 14 06:11:39 tell me what happens Sep 14 06:12:13 as i said, when i quit fooling with guvnah/kernels, i did a hard reset i believe Sep 14 06:12:30 ya.. not worries about that Sep 14 06:12:48 can i have two phones use the same profile? Sep 14 06:12:49 when follow the prompts on your computer with next> and so on Sep 14 06:13:04 it should just start doctoring your phone to webos 2.1 Sep 14 06:13:18 if it errors on you tell me what it is Sep 14 06:13:49 if your phone auto matically reboots and it says its "flashing" well in that case you wait till its done. and you should be ready to give it to the GF Sep 14 06:14:14 iautomatically* Sep 14 06:14:29 um Sep 14 06:14:36 arlamczyk, no you cant have two phones with same profile Sep 14 06:14:43 i did all the nexts Sep 14 06:14:49 so if you are going to test it use a different profile or make a new one Sep 14 06:15:01 arlamczyk, what do you see on the screen? Sep 14 06:15:10 pre+ is still at the palm profile blue screen Sep 14 06:15:23 whats on your computer screen Sep 14 06:15:43 c/l is scrolling Sep 14 06:15:51 no no Sep 14 06:15:57 the windows that had next next next Sep 14 06:16:00 whats on that screen Sep 14 06:16:07 it sounds to me like its working and you just have to wait Sep 14 06:16:30 do not remove battery Sep 14 06:16:37 ok ya just hand tight Sep 14 06:16:50 it will do its thing and finish Sep 14 06:16:57 com.palm.nova.installer.recoverytool.runner.DeviceDiscoveryRunner$DeviceDiscoveryThread run Sep 14 06:16:59 INFO: got devices 0 Sep 14 06:17:01 do you have anyway of testing to see if your phone is working after its done? Sep 14 06:17:23 seems like it is repeating that in a loop Sep 14 06:17:43 well until it stops and yells at you lets wait and see Sep 14 06:17:46 no not yet Sep 14 06:18:18 maybe she should activate it and get a new number and then i should attempt this Sep 14 06:18:43 you can worry about all that later Sep 14 06:19:02 ok Sep 14 06:19:04 after we know you can doctor it to 2.1 you can always re doctor with stock doctor and do that Sep 14 06:19:13 and then run this custom one again Sep 14 06:19:16 if it doesn't detect, unplug and replug Sep 14 06:19:31 right now? Sep 14 06:19:33 yep Sep 14 06:19:39 there is no danger Sep 14 06:19:56 sometimes the host computer's USB detection needs a kick Sep 14 06:20:09 still at the blue palm profile setup screen Sep 14 06:20:20 arlamczyk, boot into recover mode Sep 14 06:20:29 arlamczyk, unplug device Sep 14 06:20:35 remove battery Sep 14 06:20:46 Jack87: just point to the wiki page :) Sep 14 06:20:47 put battery back in Sep 14 06:20:49 leave the phone on? Sep 14 06:20:57 rwhitby, you are smart man Sep 14 06:21:30 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/How_To_Recover Sep 14 06:21:34 or turn it off first Sep 14 06:21:50 start where it says "If your PC does not recognize your device and you cannot go past step 3 above, try the following steps:" Sep 14 06:22:29 and follow the 7 steps below that sentence Sep 14 06:24:02 hello Sep 14 06:24:27 i'm having problems connecting to my TP via novaterm, can someone give me a push or tell me what i'm doing wrong? Sep 14 06:24:42 ok, i got the usb logo Sep 14 06:24:51 lisurgec, welcome back Sep 14 06:24:53 go back to clicking next on the doctor? Sep 14 06:24:58 thanks :D Sep 14 06:24:59 arlamczyk, yup Sep 14 06:25:30 lisurgec, did you see the permanent solution to the demo unit? http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Tutorials_webOS_Activating_Touchpad_Demo_Unit Sep 14 06:25:37 something new is going on now...woohoo Sep 14 06:25:48 arlamczyk, now you wait some more :) Sep 14 06:25:55 the one i posted? Sep 14 06:25:56 lol Sep 14 06:26:00 lisurgec, no Sep 14 06:26:04 floss/brush teeth Sep 14 06:26:07 right above it Sep 14 06:26:14 one i posted :) Sep 14 06:26:19 ooh Sep 14 06:26:20 i see Sep 14 06:26:41 it will turn your demo unit to an actual retail unit Sep 14 06:26:54 sweet! Sep 14 06:27:11 i'll make sure to do that... maybe i'll get a chance to super quick.. Sep 14 06:27:29 the problem i'm having is novaterm tells me it's failing to connect to the server Sep 14 06:27:38 lisurgec, are you in windows? Sep 14 06:27:42 nope. Sep 14 06:27:50 is your device in developer mode? Sep 14 06:27:57 ubuntu 11.04, it's worked before, device is in dev mode. Sep 14 06:27:59 Is the thumbnail controls patch pre only? it fails to apply on my touchpad. Sep 14 06:28:18 the cable connection is a little loose, but i've tried multiple cables and the TP prompts for usb mode Sep 14 06:28:20 you can try stopping and starting novacom Sep 14 06:28:36 novacom stop? Sep 14 06:29:09 both novacom stop and novacom start give the same failed to connect to server error. Sep 14 06:29:27 novacomd Sep 14 06:29:57 thumbnav not thumbnail. autocorrect ftw Sep 14 06:30:08 rwhitby: we've got some progress on lk bootloader for touchpad with the goal of supporting multiple kernels and kernel types safely and 100% compatible with partition layout Sep 14 06:30:49 tmzt: nice Sep 14 06:31:08 working in #msm-bootloader wiki at github.com/tmzt/msmb/wiki Sep 14 06:31:41 How can I make sure I'm not affected by the "muffle system logging v22 bug"? Sep 14 06:31:52 I think we'll end up with a meta format that would make it possible to install a kernel with a name/description and list them/select one at boot Sep 14 06:32:18 @loswillios what bug? Sep 14 06:32:43 I don't know, just read about it on twitter Sep 14 06:32:55 @webos-internals Sep 14 06:33:03 @webosinternals Sep 14 06:33:04 do you have version 3.0.2-22 of that patch installed? Sep 14 06:33:10 lisurgec, any luck with novacom? Sep 14 06:33:35 tmzt: ok, will watch progress in #msm-bootloader. thanks for the heads-up Sep 14 06:33:38 it said it couldn't find the novacom daemon when i went to stop it Sep 14 06:33:43 and now i can't find it myself hahah Sep 14 06:33:47 so that's probably the problem. Sep 14 06:34:14 lisurgec, reinstall maybe Sep 14 06:34:22 rwhitby: I had, but updated it to -23 when it was available Sep 14 06:34:25 yeah i guess so. Sep 14 06:34:33 maybe a system update moved it o.O Sep 14 06:39:22 rwhitby: Ok, it seems I don't have "email problems" Sep 14 06:41:03 ok, it says reset complete! Sep 14 06:41:31 pre + is at the blue language select screen! Sep 14 06:42:12 Can the tp connect to a network via EAP-TTLSv1? Is there anyway to find out? Sep 14 06:43:02 I think someone was playing with certs Sep 14 06:43:03 in here Sep 14 06:43:11 had no luck Sep 14 06:43:15 dono if same situation as you Sep 14 06:44:08 does 2.1 run capably on the pre + to forgo overclocking? Sep 14 06:44:14 okay. probably doesnt Sep 14 06:44:31 wrea: with wpa config? Sep 14 06:44:40 or with some ui thing Sep 14 06:44:41 I was hoping it would then hp/palm would have to release the wpa_supplicant Sep 14 06:45:04 ran ldd on it and libgnutls doesnt come up Sep 14 06:45:15 arlamczyk, nah i would suggest running one of the OC kernels Sep 14 06:46:17 wrea: they could be using a different library Sep 14 06:47:18 jack 87: pre + is at the blue language select screen! Sep 14 06:47:27 just to avoid releasing under the gpl? Sep 14 06:47:48 jack87: can i stop and call it a night Sep 14 06:47:51 arlamczyk, you are now in webos 2.1 good job Sep 14 06:48:00 Just by running ldd I can tell they modified it quite a bit Sep 14 06:48:02 arlamczyk, yup.. sleep well Sep 14 06:48:41 i will have the gf activate the phone, create her palm profile and return for guidance with overclocking Sep 14 06:49:19 thanks for all the help Sep 14 06:50:03 night Sep 14 06:52:40 well, he should go to http://bit.ly/phd-ac for guidance on overclocking Sep 14 06:59:32 rwhitby, he said he already bought it and downloaded it :-? he should use it Sep 14 06:59:45 well, i give up lol Sep 14 07:04:43 wrea, no dont! Sep 14 07:04:46 haha Sep 14 07:05:01 PuffTheMagic, help the man out Sep 14 07:07:09 heh Sep 14 07:07:11 wrea, my school i belive uses eap tls Sep 14 07:07:17 and it connects Sep 14 07:07:21 enterprise WPA2 Sep 14 07:07:45 ttls Sep 14 07:08:42 i had to get a hold of particular certs and install them manually as it was not grabbing them automatically (which is weird because my phone used to but also stopped must of been a change on the school's end) Sep 14 07:08:42 as for adhoc connectivity.. eh Sep 14 07:09:03 Well, wpa_supplicant doesnt link to gnutls, so i doubt it does use it Sep 14 07:09:04 wifi tethering used to be adhoc wifi till mobile hotspot was released Sep 14 07:09:53 If it did link so gnutils hp/palm would have to abide by the gpl and release the code Sep 14 07:11:44 ah Sep 14 07:12:15 hello Sep 14 07:12:20 Since it's not linked, EAP-TTLSv1 most likely isnt supported Sep 14 07:16:43 Jack87, would there be a way to tell what it uses by its cert? Sep 14 07:17:21 the canonical official way to debug wpa_supplicant is to -ddt it Sep 14 07:17:35 wrea, i really have no idea... i dont think so. but way beyond my expertise Sep 14 07:17:44 then you can see what the supplicant is doing, what WEXT events the driver is doing, etc Sep 14 07:18:04 So, I was having the email attachment issue so I ran the emergency fix that was added and now comically I can read attachments now but not email text. Sep 14 07:18:07 Spikea4: g'day Sep 14 07:18:24 if you have the wpa_cli, try using that and you can look at the ap scan results, and the IE flags Sep 14 07:18:27 Hello Sep 14 07:18:32 Spikea4: do you have command line access to the device? Sep 14 07:18:39 yes Sep 14 07:19:05 Spikea4: can you run tail -f /var/log/messages while you try and open an email, and see if there is an error message related to it? Sep 14 07:22:46 I'm getting no file or directory Sep 14 07:23:19 Spikea4: can you pastebin.com the error? Sep 14 07:23:23 @rwhitby I've got an interesting error in messages when I try to open an email, not trying to steal Spikea4's thunder :D Sep 14 07:23:31 will the command work through Xecutah? Sep 14 07:23:44 lol Sep 14 07:24:13 amichel: pastebin.com please Sep 14 07:24:17 @amichel whatever helps is good by me! Sep 14 07:24:28 http://pastebin.com/NUuGmkvh Sep 14 07:25:10 "no type 'email'" seems ominous :D Sep 14 07:25:25 amichel: did you do a complete device reboot after running EFW ? Sep 14 07:25:30 Yes I did Sep 14 07:25:41 Glad to do so again if you like Sep 14 07:26:03 amichel: how familiar are you with linux command line ? Sep 14 07:26:40 quite familiar, linux sysadmin by day Sep 14 07:26:49 rm -f /var/cache/configurator/_etc_palm_filecache_types_* Sep 14 07:26:54 luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.configurator/run '{"types":["filecache"]}' Sep 14 07:27:02 watch /var/log/messages for the second one Sep 14 07:27:44 amichel: how did you run EFW ? with Preware or something else? Sep 14 07:27:52 With preware Sep 14 07:28:14 ok, those two commands should recreate the email filecache type Sep 14 07:28:25 http://pastebin.com/MiPhBG6u Sep 14 07:28:33 That's the messages output from the luna-send Sep 14 07:28:40 ok, try the email again Sep 14 07:29:15 Hey, there it goes. Like butter. Sep 14 07:29:36 So, what was it that muffle system logging did that borked up the filesystem cache types configuration? Sep 14 07:29:49 If I may, feel free to not explain it :D Sep 14 07:29:50 amichel: are you able to save /var/log/messages to /media/internal and grep back to see if you can find the spot where EFW was installed? Sep 14 07:30:33 amichel: patch installation creates a backup file. the backup file was in /etc/event.d/ and interpreted as an upstart script. that caused two filecache daemons to be started, and corrupt each other. Sep 14 07:30:37 Lemme check Sep 14 07:30:48 Oh, nice. Sep 14 07:31:06 amichel: a grep for filecache-wipe should find the general area Sep 14 07:31:38 no results Sep 14 07:31:42 Well, wpa_cli scan_results doesnt even show the adhoc Sep 14 07:32:01 timestamps in messages are zulu time, right? Sep 14 07:33:53 The facebook app was not pleased about the missing 'contactphoto' type Sep 14 07:34:52 amichel: can you run EFW again, and confirm the types are recreated ? Sep 14 07:35:05 Sure, hold please Sep 14 07:36:27 amichel: you can use Impostah to check for the filecache types Sep 14 07:38:45 wrea, :( Sep 14 07:38:56 sure, lemme just dig the filetypes sauce out of messages Sep 14 07:39:06 Many things scrolled by :D Sep 14 07:42:00 Output from messages about filecache-wipe: http://pastebin.com/2ew26Kyi Sep 14 07:42:03 checking impostah now Sep 14 07:42:26 Oh, well, checking after it reboots :D Sep 14 07:44:12 amichel: ApplicationInstallerUtility: install: tried to run /media/cryptofs/apps/.scripts/org.webosinternals.emergency-filecache-wipe/pmPostInstall.script as post-install script - result = 1 Sep 14 07:44:16 line 28 Sep 14 07:45:29 The filecache button is only showing one entry "backuptempdir", not sure I'm in the right place Sep 14 07:45:50 amichel: next I'll get you to run it again, but check the timestamps on the /var/cache/configurator/_etc_palm_filecache_types_* files before and after EFW runs, but before you reboot. Sep 14 07:46:13 that's the right place - it means the types have not been recreated Sep 14 07:46:28 Ok, just making sure Sep 14 07:46:37 thanks Sep 14 07:46:51 so now we need to work out why the postinst script is not doing it's job Sep 14 07:47:27 amichel: http://git.webos-internals.org/preware/build/tree/testing/emergency-filecache-wipe/postinst is the script in question Sep 14 07:47:50 Ok Sep 14 07:48:00 Before efw: http://pastebin.com/za1dw6Aa Sep 14 07:48:03 we're looking to see if line 14 is being run Sep 14 07:48:23 amichel: stop Sep 14 07:48:34 stopped :D Sep 14 07:48:41 amichel: before running efw, can you touch just those files to give them a know timestamp? Sep 14 07:48:50 Sure Sep 14 07:49:09 I was expecting them to all have the same recent timestamp Sep 14 07:49:32 since you removed them earlier and they got recreated by the configurator Sep 14 07:50:13 Ok, touched them all, timestamp 00:49 for all of them right now Sep 14 07:50:38 Shall I run efw now and see what happens? Sep 14 07:50:41 ok, now run EFW and capture /var/log/messages and in a separate novaterm window capture the output from ls-monitor too Sep 14 07:53:18 ls-monitor output: http://pastebin.com/r9cSik8i Sep 14 07:53:53 messages output: http://pastebin.com/8pbqSiVJ Sep 14 07:54:23 Oh, I cut that messages output wrong, there's some non-related at the top Sep 14 07:54:51 line 12 and on I think Sep 14 07:55:47 And post-efw ls: http://pastebin.com/YwugMBZi Sep 14 07:55:52 ls-monitor lines 60 to 69 show the filecache types being recreated Sep 14 07:55:54 Timestamps are definitely changed Sep 14 07:56:17 line 71 is the pivot reload Sep 14 07:57:49 shall I reboot and see what the situation looks like in email? Sep 14 07:57:57 amichel: before rebooting, check filecache types again in Impostah Sep 14 07:58:33 Yeah, impostah sees them again Sep 14 07:58:38 all those logs look perfect Sep 14 07:58:52 so why does it work now, but not before ... hmm. Sep 14 07:59:30 the possible failure mode is if the find in the postinst returns an error and the script stops at that point. Sep 14 08:00:06 the Type files in /var/file-cache would be removed, and the types would not be recreated since the configurator flag files would still be there Sep 14 08:00:21 so I need to remove the flag files before the find, just in case. Sep 14 08:01:16 Makes sense to me Sep 14 08:01:29 rebooting now? Sep 14 08:01:33 yep Sep 14 08:01:48 and I'll add "|| true" to the end of each line Sep 14 08:02:29 That'll definitely make sure it doesn't error out and stop Sep 14 08:03:32 ok, EFW 1.1.0 pushed to the testing feeds Sep 14 08:04:12 I see it in preware Sep 14 08:04:48 You want a testrun off my pad? I know it was basically working already. Sep 14 08:04:55 sure, why not. Sep 14 08:07:21 messages output: http://pastebin.com/1CwMAyMd Sep 14 08:08:03 Isn't this not right: 2011-09-14T08:05:31.666186Z [216] webos-device user.notice configurator[3133]: [configurator] No more configurators left (0 configurations completed, 0 configurations failed), shutting down. Sep 14 08:09:18 that's configurators for the package, of which there are none. Sep 14 08:09:24 aaah, ok Sep 14 08:09:25 soryr Sep 14 08:09:28 sorry, that is Sep 14 08:10:15 ls-monitor output: http://pastebin.com/Gk6Swwh9 Sep 14 08:12:20 hmm - I don't see the types being created in that Sep 14 08:14:01 oh, that's right, I took that out Sep 14 08:14:08 cause they get recreated on the reboot Sep 14 08:14:11 they're all there in impostah Sep 14 08:14:20 aahh, rgr Sep 14 08:14:39 ok, reboot and check email Sep 14 08:15:02 and the del of the editioninfo proves the script got to the end Sep 14 08:15:15 Email works Sep 14 08:15:43 ok, so that's a plausible but not conclusive failure mode fixed. Sep 14 08:15:59 amichel: thanks for your assistance in testing it Sep 14 08:16:43 Sure, glad to be useful Sep 14 08:19:35 I'm never comfortable when one of our tools causes a problem, and we don't have an easy way for people to fix it. Now I'm feeling comfortable again. Sep 14 08:20:15 It's funny cause I didn't even realize I had a problem until the other guy mentioned it. I thought I just had wonky attachments :D Sep 14 08:21:38 And it's safe to reinstall muffle system logging? Sep 14 08:22:24 check your /etc/event.d directory for *.webosinternals.orig files before and after Sep 14 08:22:52 make sure it's 3.0.2-23 or later you're installing Sep 14 08:24:48 no *.webosinternals.orig files before Sep 14 08:24:54 or after Sep 14 08:25:17 Haven't restarted Luna yet Sep 14 08:32:03 should be fine then Sep 14 08:32:17 let me know if you see any issues Sep 14 08:32:25 can do Sep 14 08:32:33 Looking good after Luna restart Sep 14 08:36:57 Hello folks Sep 14 08:37:56 I'm gonna head out. @rwhitby thanks again for the fix, glad I could provide some useful data Sep 14 08:38:07 Can someone point me in the right direction... I am in need of help with an issue I am having with installing ubunto on my touchpad Sep 14 08:38:31 Please Sep 14 08:40:46 ~ask Sep 14 08:40:46 Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. Sep 14 08:41:55 @+infobot okiedoke Sep 14 08:43:54 I followed the instructions provided by liliputing to run Ubuntu 11.04 CHroot on my touchpad but I try to run the Ubuntu 11.04 Chroot I receive a "Service Error (execute)" error message Sep 14 08:44:53 how did those instructions differ from the official page at http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/UbuntuChroot ? Sep 14 08:44:55 "Unable to run command: /sbin/inictl start org.webosinternals.ubuntu-natty-chroot 2>&1 Sep 14 08:45:05 uh Sep 14 08:45:30 I dont know.. one sec and I will review that link to determine if I it varies Sep 14 08:47:40 Ok, it appears they only differ in that liliputing also includes instructions for getting and using Meta-Doctor and partitioning the hd.. Which are just links to the webos-internals wiki Sep 14 08:49:38 what tool did you use to install the chroot? Sep 14 08:49:44 preware Sep 14 08:51:15 and you've rebooted since installing it? Sep 14 08:51:19 yes Sep 14 08:51:44 I'd suggest reinstalling the natty chroot Sep 14 08:52:27 I thought that might be the best thing to do so before I came that is just what i did.. after reinstalling it I receive the same error Sep 14 08:52:41 Make sure your chroot's partition is properly mounted Sep 14 08:53:13 * rwhitby bbl Sep 14 08:54:32 @rrix, I thought that might be an issue but I am uncertain how to check it. How do i check if the partition is mouted properly? Sep 14 08:54:54 run mount, and make sure it shows Sep 14 08:55:25 via terminal on my linux pc while connected to the tab via usb? Sep 14 08:55:32 through novaterm? Sep 14 08:55:52 Either xecutah or novaterm Sep 14 08:55:55 yea Sep 14 08:56:20 ok, I don't know how to do it through xecutah so i will go through novaterm Sep 14 08:56:22 one sec Sep 14 08:58:01 just to confirm, i can use "mount -a" in terminal to mount the partition, right? Sep 14 08:58:19 Inded Sep 14 08:58:21 Indeed Sep 14 08:58:29 if its been added to /etc/fstab Sep 14 08:58:31 Ok I did that in terminal Sep 14 08:59:03 In terminal, I didnt get any kind of message indicating where the mount succeeded or failed Sep 14 09:00:23 Should I now try to run chroot on the tab? Sep 14 09:03:01 it should be added to fstab i ran this through terminal prior to mounting: "echo "/dev/mapper/store-ext3fs /media/ext3fs ext3 noatime,data=writeback 0 0" >> /etc/fstab " Sep 14 09:07:08 Is there an official (so to speak) resource to running ubuntu chroot on the tab from webos internals? I can remove the partition and start over using another guide if need be Sep 14 09:49:09 holy smokes, i need to test that, installing ubuntu Sep 14 11:38:28 just received my pre 3 and like to use a voip client. i found this here to give answer as where to find linphone alpha. any help available? Thx carolus66 Sep 14 11:53:10 is it possible to play mms streams on my touchpad? Sep 14 11:53:25 and can i change the default mediaplayer somehow? Sep 14 12:59:49 does anybody know? Sep 14 13:01:30 and the Emergency Filecache Wipe (EFW) .. is it something that has to be manually run after install? what exactly does it solve/prevent? Sep 14 13:36:45 afternoon Sep 14 14:08:38 real keyboard is really missing on touchpad imho Sep 14 14:09:03 Jack87|Away: did he get the meta-doctor working? Sep 14 14:12:05 Douilspe1: you can always buy one... Sep 14 14:13:12 Douilspe1: I love my bluetooth keyboard Sep 14 14:15:21 its not matter of money, its just BT keyboard is yet another device, also i have netbook already Sep 14 14:15:33 so my first idea goes to software keyboard Sep 14 14:25:45 a tablet... with a hardware keyboard? Sep 14 14:31:23 then I don't understand the issue Sep 14 14:31:58 if you don't want a netbook-esque machine, and your first thought goes to software keyboard... what's your point? Sep 14 16:17:01 anyone know if u can have a mojo app close itself? Sep 14 16:20:47 that's more of a #webos question. but I don't see why you couldn't Sep 14 16:22:13 bit-chrome: yes you pretty sure can Sep 14 16:22:31 pcworld: hey Sep 14 16:22:33 have a look at the doc/StageController Sep 14 16:22:41 PatrickC: hi Sep 14 16:23:08 k, thx Sep 14 16:23:33 pcworld: its been working like a charm :) can't wait for public release! Sep 14 16:23:49 nice :) Sep 14 16:24:01 have there been any issues with the TouchPad version? Sep 14 16:24:12 not that I've seen Sep 14 16:24:24 is it smooth? Sep 14 16:24:46 yep Sep 14 16:25:31 fine. Not perfect as tablet UI, but if it works... Sep 14 16:26:28 maybe I'll try to make a splitpane so that you can see both local and remote files at the same time Sep 14 16:27:31 you'll need enyo for that Sep 14 16:28:32 no, the way I implemented the tabs aren't really Mojo, so I don't see a problem in making a splitpane instead of tabs for the TP Sep 14 16:53:59 does anyone know much about eprint? Sep 14 16:54:57 I know it gives your printer an email address... Sep 14 17:03:56 I would love to print from my touchpad, but all I have is a samsung laser printer Sep 14 17:04:41 I know cups has a setting/module for airprint, would it be possible to set up something so my TP can print to any printer on my cups server? Sep 14 17:16:54 you could probably set that up in the chroot easily...outside of it...I don't know Sep 14 17:18:04 you'd have to look into how the TP printing stuff works Sep 14 17:18:28 hi guys and girls :) Sep 14 17:19:06 can anybody help me? I don't find "Preware" in the App Catalog Sep 14 17:19:21 i have my TouchPad since yesterday Sep 14 17:19:31 preware isn't in the app catalog Sep 14 17:19:53 The best way to learn how to install Preware and other great homebrew applications, patches, themes and custom kernels is to download the Preware Homebrew Documentation app from the official HP webOS App Catalog and follow the extremely detailed step-by-step instructions that are included in that application. Sep 14 17:19:56 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware Sep 14 17:20:18 ok thx Sep 14 17:20:19 yeah, Preware Homebrew Documentation is in the app catalog Sep 14 17:20:22 perfect Sep 14 17:20:24 that's different from Preware Sep 14 17:20:31 ah k Sep 14 17:20:40 i will download wIRC there Sep 14 17:20:49 i think thats the best way or? Sep 14 17:41:07 laammee veer started typing random characters :( Sep 14 17:41:10 stuck keyboard? :( Sep 14 17:41:49 * dtzWill tests to see if it's somehow kernel related, unfortunately it's frequent enough to be crippling but sporadic enough to make testing for it a PITA Sep 14 17:42:01 like it *knows* when to manifest itself or not to ensure i go crazy :) Sep 14 17:42:37 * dtzWill looks through warthog patches for such code Sep 14 17:45:21 lol Sep 14 17:49:49 nope, just borked :( Sep 14 17:50:10 bah and at work i have no useful way to debug it better Sep 14 17:50:13 ;.; Sep 14 17:50:14 hehe Sep 14 17:50:37 im just bored being unemployed, trying to take a stab at the synergy messaging plugins for the touchpad Sep 14 17:51:42 thx preware run :) Sep 14 17:51:46 Martin____: wirc is also available from preware Sep 14 17:51:53 any must have apps for webos? Sep 14 17:53:40 after redoctoring twice, openssh keygen finally saves the id_rsa.pub in the /home/root/.ssh instead of / Sep 14 17:55:18 ssh-keygen saves it by default relative to the user's $HOME is Sep 14 17:55:28 you can always tell it where you want it instead Sep 14 17:56:04 right, and usually the instructions on the wiki worked, but for some reason it just wasn't working correctly. When i told it where i wanted it to be it would but i couldn't login Sep 14 17:56:09 im about to try now from ubuntu Sep 14 17:57:38 so i still had to manualy run "start mobi.optware.openssh" before it'd let me connect Sep 14 17:57:55 that has nothing to do with where your ssh-keygen stuck the files it made Sep 14 17:58:05 well right, im past that now Sep 14 17:58:14 im back to the original problem Sep 14 17:58:21 sorry for not clarifying Sep 14 18:01:24 what is the original problem Sep 14 18:01:49 without scrolling back really far, I see youv'e doctored twice and something is doing what you want, and you've solved your other thing Sep 14 18:01:50 the server not starting at boot, let me reboot it real quick just to see if it is resolved Sep 14 18:02:13 LOL! Precisely! Sep 14 18:02:38 try changing the upstart "start" line to "start on started org.webosinternals.optware" Sep 14 18:03:07 (/var/palm/event.d/mobi.optware.openssh) Sep 14 18:03:13 k Sep 14 18:05:22 doesn't auto start, let me open up internalz and edit that real quick Sep 14 18:06:54 wirc works :) Sep 14 18:08:40 So "start on stopped finish" should be changed to "Start on started org.webosinternals.optware" Sep 14 18:14:48 pixi unlocked: http://1saleaday.com/wireless/ Sep 14 18:14:51 59.99 Sep 14 18:14:54 if anyone is interested Sep 14 18:15:31 if it was a veer.. or god forbid a pre 3, i'd go sell plasma for it Sep 14 18:15:47 too bad its not a verizon. id get it just to play with Sep 14 18:16:52 i haven't had a real cell carrier in quite some time, i use my wimax hotspot + google voice on my ipod touch as a phone.. its great since it's free but sucks since i hate this ipod Sep 14 18:17:11 that's kinda neat Sep 14 18:17:14 woo!! that change fixed it Sep 14 18:17:19 openssh now starts at boot Sep 14 18:17:19 but you can only use it while inside the house :) Sep 14 18:17:31 no.. see thats where the hotspot comes into play Sep 14 18:17:58 jacksonville, fl has great wimax coverage.. and just incase im somewhere where it doesnt.. it reverts to sprints 3g Sep 14 18:18:18 I have internet everywhere i go in a nice small box, about the size of a veer Sep 14 18:18:22 i see. so, its wireless and cordless? and you just carry it around? Sep 14 18:18:32 yep Sep 14 18:18:39 kinda a cool idea tbh Sep 14 18:18:44 i bet it saves you a fortune Sep 14 18:18:54 definately.. voip calls are better call quality anyways Sep 14 18:19:11 on the 3g i have to enable the audio compression since sprints 3g upload is weak Sep 14 18:19:34 Yea, i dono. Im stuck with VZW for the time being. or i might do something like that Sep 14 18:20:25 the best part is.. the 4g is unlimited.. no cell carrier does that Sep 14 18:20:51 The hotspot also has a nice microsd expansion slot which i mount on my touchpad as a samba share.. i made my 16gb touchpad a 32gb Sep 14 18:22:31 I'll have to look into that. Sep 14 18:22:57 I don't know if your in a comcast area, but its their xfinity internet 2 go service. hotspot is cheap and you don't have to have a contract.. $40 a month Sep 14 18:23:21 Id pay someone great money if they could get the same functionality on the touchpad without having to use skype as a call back number Sep 14 18:41:48 Hi all hope everyone is well Sep 14 18:42:26 I'm trying to find some information on editing shortcut links to web apps Sep 14 18:42:40 Does webOS give the ability to edit that 'target' line of the embeded link? Sep 14 18:43:00 What I'm trying to do is load the ipad interface for google music on the touchpad. Sep 14 18:44:54 ghostinator: have you ever had issues with it? Sep 14 18:46:58 call quality/ Sep 14 18:46:59 ? Sep 14 18:47:18 how to send ctrl to xterm ? Sep 14 18:47:35 ghostinator: yeah, or just function Sep 14 18:47:35 ghostinator: who's the wimax provider? Sep 14 18:47:44 Douilspe1: device? phone it's 'gesture', and on touchpad you need a bt keyboard for that Sep 14 18:47:56 or, run some virtual keyboard x app Sep 14 18:48:08 hi Sep 14 18:48:12 i'm on touchpad Sep 14 18:48:22 voip call quality with ulaw/alaw should be as good as POTS, just with more latency Sep 14 18:48:35 VoIP quality sucks in general Sep 14 18:48:45 i have default keyboard and xterm Sep 14 18:48:48 what VOIP client are you using Sep 14 18:48:53 many of them really suck Sep 14 18:49:00 Yep Sep 14 18:49:15 that's not voip's fault =] Sep 14 18:49:18 Comcast is the wimax provider, basically they own a good stake in clearwire Sep 14 18:49:26 Me I'm using Asterisk/Trixbox with SIP trunks Sep 14 18:49:28 and it sucks Sep 14 18:49:28 lol Sep 14 18:49:35 those are servers Sep 14 18:49:36 what *client* Sep 14 18:49:42 Douilspe1: right so then you can't send control presently. Sep 14 18:50:07 Douilspe1: not without installing some keyboard x program that you run that fires that event Sep 14 18:50:17 No problems really, the app talkatone just ties into google voice, i think they use google's google chat system to make and receive calls. Sep 14 18:50:25 Calls are great and so is quality, never really have a problem Sep 14 18:50:32 dtzWill: have name for the program ? Sep 14 18:50:47 anyone know if rwhitby made any progress with Truecrypt on WebOS? I saw he mentioned it on preware at http://forums.precentral.net/webos-development/224218-truecrypt.html Sep 14 18:51:13 dmillerzx: I have yet to find a good voip client on a mac... twinkle works great on linux, there's a small handful of decent ones on windows Sep 14 18:51:21 I'll call you on it if you don't believe me Sep 14 18:51:38 The only once I've tried using is X-link Sep 14 18:51:40 For windows Sep 14 18:51:59 dwc are you a dev? Sep 14 18:52:03 I use gv mobile + for texts, voicemails, etc and talkatone for the actual calls to and from on my ipod touch. every other system i don't know Sep 14 18:52:08 a dev of what? Sep 14 18:52:12 webos? Sep 14 18:52:18 no Sep 14 18:52:23 I see Sep 14 18:52:44 why do you ask? Sep 14 18:52:45 There has gotta be a way for a google music solution on the touchpad Sep 14 18:52:53 But I'm still new to the platform Sep 14 18:53:09 Looking for some dev help I suppose Sep 14 18:53:45 I want to try and load the iPad tablet obtimized interface on the touchpad without changing the user agent for the entire device Sep 14 18:53:56 For google music that is Sep 14 18:54:07 currently i just use the browser, works fine for me. Sep 14 18:54:16 How many songs do you have Sep 14 18:54:20 you might try finding the dude that works at google in #webos Sep 14 18:54:33 he's submitted some fixes for UI stuff for the other google apps Sep 14 18:54:37 It DOES not function right on the reg site Sep 14 18:54:48 Were they implemented? Sep 14 18:54:51 What doesn't? Sep 14 18:55:00 his username was DraX (or some variation thereof) Sep 14 18:55:01 Im playing music on it right now from my playlist Sep 14 18:55:13 I dunno I have a lot of songs in mine Sep 14 18:55:16 and it works horribley Sep 14 18:55:20 lagging, can't switch songs Sep 14 18:55:20 lol Sep 14 18:55:32 without a page reload Sep 14 18:55:36 DWC thaks Sep 14 18:56:37 aw I found him Sep 14 18:56:40 gonna shot off a PM Sep 14 18:56:48 yea, that sounds right Sep 14 18:57:07 I'm sure it's be easy for google to push the ipad interface to the touchpad Sep 14 18:57:12 I have no idea whether they were implemented, tbh Sep 14 18:57:14 but a homebrew work around shouldn't be hard either Sep 14 18:57:18 if only I could find that true URL Sep 14 18:57:21 I forget exactly what changes they were Sep 14 18:57:57 Well even if he can't make anything happen he might have information regarding the real URL Sep 14 18:58:03 and I can work with that Sep 14 18:59:36 Not very active huh? Sep 14 19:00:21 just out of curiousity, the ZX in your name, any references to that? Sep 14 19:01:10 duh man Sep 14 19:01:15 Megaman ZX :D Sep 14 19:01:40 ah, im thinking more of the 300ZX Twin turbo :D Sep 14 19:01:47 lol Sep 14 19:01:54 No although that is a sickass car Sep 14 19:01:55 ;) Sep 14 19:02:23 for sure, i miss mine Sep 14 19:02:29 This VW isn't cuttin it haha Sep 14 19:02:34 lol Sep 14 19:06:14 Jesus this is about as dead as the precentral forums Sep 14 19:06:17 lol Sep 14 19:06:34 ~ot Sep 14 19:06:35 rumour has it, ot is for Off-Topic WebOS general chat and can take place in #webos-general Sep 14 19:07:08 Ah thanks same prob there though Sep 14 19:07:30 what "same problem"? Sep 14 19:07:43 little activity Sep 14 19:08:21 yeah, check back at night or evening Sep 14 19:08:34 Ah ok Sep 14 19:08:36 Good idea Sep 14 19:08:43 just not friday nights.. ask me how i know Sep 14 19:08:45 Someone has gotta have some info on this google music stuff Sep 14 19:08:49 lol Sep 14 19:08:57 Who spends fridays on IRC...... Sep 14 19:09:11 guys who are unemployed, and currently don't have a life Sep 14 19:09:34 no $$ = no life. hopefully that'll be resolved this friday :D Sep 14 19:09:44 lol Sep 14 19:09:57 this is ot, please move this discussion to #webos-general or other channels Sep 14 19:10:19 si capitan Sep 14 19:10:30 Ok so lets talk about google music Sep 14 19:11:05 and how is Google Music on topic? Sep 14 19:11:13 At least it is a topic Sep 14 19:11:13 i can get it to change songs on the touchpad browser if you find the song you want and press the little arrow and that drop down menu pops up Sep 14 19:11:24 Well getting it to work smoothly on the touchpad should be right? Sep 14 19:11:30 I'm trying to develop a solution for google music Sep 14 19:11:42 then that is On Topic :D Sep 14 19:11:51 That's what I figured Sep 14 19:11:51 so develop an app. Sep 14 19:12:00 That's why I'm here trying to get info Sep 14 19:12:00 and people will test :D Sep 14 19:12:05 lol, i thought you were away ; Sep 14 19:12:07 ;) Sep 14 19:12:47 I need to pick the brains of developers Sep 14 19:12:51 but it appears I should come back at night Sep 14 19:12:56 :D Sep 14 19:12:57 indeed Sep 14 20:10:22 PatrickC, yeah his meta doctor got going and he doctored his pre+ Sep 14 20:10:34 cool! Sep 14 20:27:30 ok with dev paswsword on i had to do : /usr/local/bin/novaterm -c login -r mypassword Sep 14 20:27:36 then /usr/local/bin/novaterm Sep 14 20:39:24 sounds about right Sep 14 20:59:59 i set up the sdk and was able to build doom, but now i'm trying to build the hello application from git and i'm missing the shared objects for cjson, dbus, gdbus and lunaservice. where have i gone wrong? Sep 14 21:04:13 hwy dudes! Sep 14 21:04:27 wich feed is including QT? Sep 14 21:04:45 found this nice articel http://www.griffin.net/2010/02/qt-on-the-palm-pre.html Sep 14 21:05:32 and on this page it is listed http://git.webos-internals.org/ Sep 14 21:05:49 but wich feed is it? Sep 14 21:09:35 any help? Sep 14 21:10:01 You'll just have to wait for an answer. Sep 14 21:16:53 ner8: maybe the stuff in http://git.webos-internals.org/qt/ Sep 14 21:18:01 bear in mind, that article was written before the touchpad came out. tp has webos3 which includes qt libs (though nobody has tried using them for a PDK app AFAIK) Sep 14 21:19:49 my Veer runs on 2.1.1 i did not got a awesome tp :( Sep 14 21:20:12 if any will change a boexed Veer to a TP? Sep 14 21:20:14 ner8: OK, I didn't know Sep 14 21:20:14 ;) Sep 14 21:20:31 is it a vlack veer? Sep 14 21:20:33 black Sep 14 21:20:52 hope fully it will get a webos3 Sep 14 21:20:54 yes Sep 14 21:21:01 and not open Sep 14 21:21:10 like fresh from the store Sep 14 21:22:23 I want a black veer, but not enough to give up my tp :-) Sep 14 21:22:50 I got an extra TP coming. but not looking for a trade :( Sep 14 21:22:54 dont need a veer Sep 14 21:22:58 black veers are pretty nice Sep 14 21:23:16 if it was vzw 4G lte maybe :) Sep 14 21:23:22 :D yes thet why i hav e 2 :) Sep 14 21:23:39 sorry Eurpoe UMTS only :( Sep 14 21:23:40 I use my veer as my main phone, but have the pre2 in my bag. whenever I pull out the pre2 I always end up going "holycrap" Sep 14 21:23:43 I have to send in my new veer in for repair Sep 14 21:24:10 wera why? Sep 14 21:24:30 Riddled with stuck pixels Sep 14 21:24:44 so if some one will change ;) let me know Veer 8GB to tp ;) Sep 14 21:24:46 ouch Sep 14 21:24:55 or Pre3 ;) Sep 14 21:25:11 oh:( Sep 14 21:25:24 will try qt on it Sep 14 21:27:21 but gn8 cu Sep 14 21:28:27 the veer is the best phone since my lovly N900 Sep 14 21:28:38 i hate the iPhone ot just sucks! Sep 14 22:08:05 My veer looks kind of funny next to my evo 3d Sep 14 22:08:40 i try get ubuntu with preware and fail downloading Sep 14 22:09:15 twice Sep 14 22:11:29 When I try to open "Preferences & Accounts" on my sprint pre 2, it causes luna to crash :-( Sep 14 22:14:06 Jack87: are you stalking me? Sep 14 22:14:21 Jack87: I just realized you are in all four channels that I'm in Sep 14 22:17:19 LarrySteeze, we must be twins Sep 14 22:33:53 is there a way to install ubuntuchroot when download fail Sep 14 22:34:33 i mean downlaoding manually then using usb to put on touchpad Sep 14 22:44:55 hello folks Sep 14 22:45:40 Douilspe1, you mean the chroot bits, not the ipkg? Sep 14 22:46:00 I suppose you could, if you had the url that the installer uses. Sep 14 22:46:27 the package downloaded by curl Sep 14 22:46:37 inside preware Sep 14 22:46:53 if you have the url then sure Sep 14 22:47:13 but you would have to put it where it belongs. Sep 14 22:47:26 however. Sep 14 22:47:28 in log files Sep 14 22:47:36 Mr Whitby... Thanks for your hel yesterday... i managed to get linux installed... in fact im here using xchat on my touchad right now Sep 14 22:47:52 I don' t know if the postinst is smart enough to recognize that you already have downloaded it. Sep 14 22:48:12 I kind of doubt it. Sep 14 22:48:42 Douilspe1: download the ipk manually from ipkg.preware.org, put it on your USB drive, and install with Preware Sep 14 22:48:44 and use curl in reccursive mode ? Sep 14 22:49:03 ok Sep 14 22:49:08 ty Sep 14 22:49:16 rwhitby, doesn't the actual chroot get downloaded separately? Sep 14 22:49:21 or am I misteaken Sep 14 22:49:31 for some reason though i am not able to use the letter that is to the right of thd O key....lol Sep 14 22:50:01 thats O as in oh... not zero Sep 14 22:50:36 ka6sox: it does not Sep 14 22:50:53 then I *am* misteaken. Sep 14 22:50:54 good. Sep 14 22:51:38 its ok though... i just enjoy geeking out from time to time and i will be removing linux from my touchad soon anyway Sep 14 22:56:06 well thanks again rwhitby for your hel yesterday.. i'm out like a fat kid in baseball...later Sep 14 22:56:14 witakr, technically if you removed linux from your touchpad it wouldn't boot because linux in the kernel for many distributions including webos. I'm guessing you mean a Debian or Ubuntu chroot Sep 14 22:56:56 yes but "linux" is easer to tyoe Sep 14 22:57:39 i figured it was not needed for me to elaborate in this instance Sep 14 22:59:01 most in here probably knew what you meant, but for the newer people to webos/linux that show up in here it's better to keep the terminology consistent Sep 14 23:00:50 understood, for the record i used "linux" as a reference to ubuntu chroot Sep 14 23:01:08 rwhitby: how to launch local install from preware ? Sep 14 23:01:16 but... linux is a kernel Sep 14 23:01:20 :) Sep 14 23:02:07 Douilspe1, you mean installing a package that you have locally on the media partition? Sep 14 23:02:22 ya Sep 14 23:02:31 it's in the swipe down menu Sep 14 23:02:59 ok ok ty Sep 14 23:29:31 rwhitby: are you around? I hear you've disassembled a veer Sep 14 23:34:05 alright...and my own disassembly proceeds... Sep 15 00:04:52 Yo yo Sep 15 00:04:57 anyone here use AT&T? Sep 15 00:09:44 rwhitby: I don't know how you got the battery out O.o Sep 15 00:18:45 LarrySteeze: http://bit.ly/veer-disassembly Sep 15 00:21:05 rwhitby: I've been looking at that...but my battery doesn't want to dislodge Sep 15 00:21:37 in your images, it looks like it happened relatively easily Sep 15 00:21:38 you have to lift the cage first Sep 15 00:22:12 the entire cage? releasing the metal over plastic clips? Sep 15 00:22:14 bnceo`, I have att Sep 15 00:22:38 so I am getting a Pre3 and I want to know how easy it is to swap SIM cards between a Pre3, Veer, and say a Galaxy S II phone Sep 15 00:22:49 I don't need to call or anything to get stuff changed, right? Sep 15 00:23:01 I'm trying to salvage the sim cage...it's trying to eat my microsim adapter Sep 15 00:23:23 LarrySteeze: Are you working on a Veer? Sep 15 00:23:40 bnceo: yes Sep 15 00:24:05 bnceo`, should be fine. I hear if you unlock the Veer att wont nag you to upgrade to a 4G data plan Sep 15 00:24:12 bnceo: swapping the sim cards should be fine. Sep 15 00:24:48 Hmm, But the 4G plan is the same as the regular plan anyways Sep 15 00:24:56 minus some details on their end I imagine. But for me, same price Sep 15 00:25:01 Imma get the 4GB with tethering solution Sep 15 00:25:27 bnceo, yeah Sep 15 00:26:14 Kinda excited for my Pre3 to come in. Sep 15 00:26:29 I will miss Sprint though. And their discount on a phone every year Sep 15 00:26:54 With that, Imma turn my FrankenPre and my gf's back to Pre2s. She love the Pre2 Sep 15 00:27:20 I'd love a Pre3 Sep 15 00:27:47 I showed my gf the veer and she looked at me like I saw crazy having such a small phone Sep 15 00:28:50 *was - dyslexic moment Sep 15 00:35:23 I'm I crazy for thinking I'd see an adhoc network with wpa_cli with my patched version Sep 15 00:35:39 Apparently I can't think without my caffeine today Sep 15 01:32:37 touchpad webos ubuntu ssh debian then screen and irssi Sep 15 01:36:03 wrea: I wish I could have a sprint veer Sep 15 01:36:41 remember she small phones were cool Sep 15 01:36:58 lol now we are going back to the giant ones of the 70s Sep 15 01:40:51 bnceo, You need to have all devices unlocked unless they are all ATT(or whatever provider) Sep 15 01:41:10 if you want to swap the card to diff devices on diff networks (wont work unless unlocked) Sep 15 01:41:33 i can assist you with the unlocks if needed. just ask Sep 15 01:45:35 assist me in telling tmobile that they're being acquired by ATT because they can't get people to make good phones for it in the US Sep 15 01:45:43 :D Sep 15 01:47:40 cant help that. Sep 15 01:47:41 :) Sep 15 02:03:47 tmo are getting acquired because dt should have known better than to get into this market in the first place. Sep 15 02:08:19 * rwhitby cautions folks not to use this channel to argue US cellular business practices Sep 15 02:08:42 Well, if anyone ever needs help with a veer teardown, I'm game to help now :-\ Sep 15 02:10:04 * LarrySteeze redirects people to #webos-general Sep 15 02:18:45 LarrySteeze: what happened? Sep 15 02:19:18 pretty much rendered my veer useless :P Sep 15 02:19:31 Less than a week after acquiring it Sep 15 02:19:44 a6 should be recoverable from osbl Sep 15 02:19:49 it shouldn't through you into qdl Sep 15 02:20:27 Yeah...A6 isn't the issue. Sep 15 02:20:38 what is? Sep 15 02:20:43 yep, that clip comes off first. it's not easy. Sep 15 02:20:45 err sorry Sep 15 02:21:08 http://stopbeingboring.com/veer3.jpg Sep 15 02:22:07 micro sim adapter got caught inside, which I tried to fish out (stupidly) with a iphone sim tool, which of course got caught on one of the pins as well Sep 15 02:22:36 might try a small blade (plastic) and loosen the connector Sep 15 02:22:52 sad that a slow serial bus keeps a fast 3g device from working Sep 15 02:23:16 tmzt: what do you mean? Sep 15 02:23:22 sim Sep 15 02:23:38 no no Sep 15 02:23:46 I mean to loosen the connector? Sep 15 02:24:17 just thinking wiggle it back in forth twist it a little and pull the other one out carefully Sep 15 02:24:25 can't see damage done to the pins in the photo Sep 15 02:25:13 I don't think there's any way I can get a photo of the pins Sep 15 02:25:16 oh lord Sep 15 02:25:26 though I don't think the pins are damaged enough to kill me Sep 15 02:25:40 i feel your pain. i received a veer with damaged sim pins. Sep 15 02:25:51 luckily, i have access to a hot air station. Sep 15 02:25:57 I haven't been overly forceful Sep 15 02:26:19 zefyx: if I get this out, I may have to send it to you to fix the pins if I can't get it to work Sep 15 02:26:29 * zefyx runs Sep 15 02:26:54 just kidding. let me know how it turns out my friend. Sep 15 02:27:06 will do Sep 15 02:27:17 it's frustrating because I haven't even gotten to work with the A6 yet Sep 15 02:27:31 I just wanted to field test the thing :-\ Sep 15 02:28:29 yeah, i understand. it can be annoying. Sep 15 02:28:47 the veer wasn't really put together with the intentions of being disassembled imo. Sep 15 02:28:48 I guess it's time to destroy the micro sim adapter...that I waited 2 days to receive. Sep 15 02:29:08 it wasn't at all...you void the warranty by just taking the back cover off Sep 15 02:29:31 i've taken apart so many phones over the years, yet the veer was the first one in a long time to cause me to need a cigarette break. Sep 15 02:29:55 reminds me of my old htc touch. Sep 15 02:30:20 I took a scotch break. Does that count? Sep 15 02:30:25 haha, yes! Sep 15 02:31:59 * LarrySteeze just destroyed a best buy gift card to make a new tool Sep 15 02:32:29 no money on it? Sep 15 02:32:42 i hope not Sep 15 02:32:52 you just need the code to use it online Sep 15 02:32:58 especially since it was still too thick Sep 15 02:35:08 rofl Sep 15 02:35:23 if it did, its okay. it was best buy anyway ;p Sep 15 02:35:47 unless of course you decided to use it online to avoid their employees... Sep 15 02:36:16 bought an amplifier with one online Sep 15 02:36:20 easy to do Sep 15 02:37:08 had to get more scotch Sep 15 02:37:24 this veer has been more of a distraction than it's worht Sep 15 02:37:26 *worth Sep 15 02:37:39 LarrySteeze: get a Pre 3 instead Sep 15 02:37:46 it'd almost be worth iit to just destroy the sim port, know it's destroyed, and get back to messing with it Sep 15 02:38:00 rwhitby: I'd love to...can't afford it Sep 15 02:38:37 I was able to afford the $55 veer...even though I'd never actually be using it, at least I knew my wife could use it if I didn't brick it with the A6 tinkering Sep 15 02:40:46 unless you know where I can get one for a decent price Sep 15 02:41:54 WOOT! Sep 15 02:42:06 ? Sep 15 02:42:14 I got part of it fixed! Sep 15 02:42:41 too bad I had to destroy the adapter in the process Sep 15 02:42:49 :-( **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Sep 15 02:59:57 2011