**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Sep 19 02:59:57 2011 Sep 19 03:00:06 ghostinator: hahaha nice :D Sep 19 03:01:55 gotta make some charts to show it. best score i got was 76 compared to 81.5 for F4 phantom at 1.8GHz Sep 19 03:02:53 or someone who can edit the preware feeds Packages files Sep 19 03:14:52 thread updated with new 1.9GHz bench, with a screenshot of Govnah for that batt temp :D Sep 19 03:16:48 PatrickC: yes Sep 19 03:17:16 rwhitby: the "Pulse Audio Restarter" app isn't marked as 3.x only Sep 19 03:17:29 I was able to download it to my pre via preware Sep 19 03:17:36 that's because it isn't for 3.x onlt Sep 19 03:17:41 I just thought that was a 3.x only app Sep 19 03:17:47 its enyo, isn't it? Sep 19 03:17:50 why did you think that? Sep 19 03:17:55 its enyo Sep 19 03:18:03 which is 2.2 or later Sep 19 03:18:06 it includes enyo Sep 19 03:18:11 just remembered 2.2 had enyo Sep 19 03:18:20 it also includes mojo Sep 19 03:18:27 the app does? Sep 19 03:18:45 * scoutcamper mumbles something about checking build.git before stating facts Sep 19 03:18:51 PuffTheMagic: you mean you interrupted my work day to ask me this without checking yourself? Sep 19 03:19:03 s/PuffTheMagic/PatrickC/ Sep 19 03:19:03 rwhitby meant: PatrickC: you mean you interrupted my work day to ask me this without checking yourself? Sep 19 03:19:33 sorry Sep 19 03:19:55 PatrickC: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Boy_Who_Cried_Wolf Sep 19 03:25:10 what's the easiest way to submit apps to prepare? I saw the patches.webos-internals.org page. is there something similar for apps? Sep 19 03:25:26 m0ngr31, precentral feeds Sep 19 03:25:53 ok, I'll google that thanks Sep 19 03:28:48 m0ngr31: if it's a general mojo or enyo app, precentral feeds. Sep 19 03:29:13 m0ngr31: if it's something along the lines of webos-internals root-access apps, we can support that in the webos-internals feeds Sep 19 03:31:27 rwhitby: it does run a postinstall script that remounts the file system to create a file in /etc/palm/db/permissions, does that count as something you would support or would precentral feeds be fine? Sep 19 03:32:02 what permissions does it change? Sep 19 03:32:30 the permissions for the kindle app database Sep 19 03:33:16 it's a kindle side-loader app? Sep 19 03:37:00 yeah Sep 19 03:37:51 http://forums.precentral.net/hp-touchpad-homebrew/297377-real-kindle-sideloading-solution.html Sep 19 03:40:31 m0ngr31: what does the prerm script do when the app is uninstalled? Sep 19 03:41:35 deletes the file that is created (/etc/palm/db/permissions/com.palm.kindle) Sep 19 03:42:30 m0ngr31: I think you can go either way then (precentral feed or webos-internals feed) Sep 19 03:44:25 ok sweet thanks Sep 19 03:45:43 m0ngr31: have a read of http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Packaging_Standards to know how to get the right meta-data for Preware to display Sep 19 03:46:07 will do thanks! Sep 19 04:11:13 I'm trying to download unto chroot with preware... Package isn't shown though, but I can see it if I view the feed in browser.. Any suggestions? Sep 19 04:11:37 ubuntu chroot, that is Sep 19 04:11:51 long2know: see testing.preware.org Sep 19 04:13:28 ko.. I'll check that out Sep 19 04:23:23 thanx! Setting up beta feeds did the trick Sep 19 04:24:22 long2know: you didn't see that when you got a Preware update to 1.8.3 ? Sep 19 04:24:51 nope.. I had to add the enable-beta-feeds Sep 19 04:25:37 So you updated to Preware 1.8.3 ? Sep 19 04:25:47 but didn't read the changelog splash screen? Sep 19 04:26:05 or you didn't see there was an update for Preware ? Sep 19 04:26:12 I was running 1.7.5 I think Sep 19 04:27:00 when you opened Preware to look for the Ubuntu Chroot, you didn't get an update notice in Preware? Sep 19 04:27:13 (first row of the main screen) Sep 19 04:27:50 long2know: (BTW, I'm not hassling you, just trying to work out how we reach everyone that we need to reach) Sep 19 04:28:28 I think I did.. But I didn't update at the time.. I was preoccupied dinking with the feed settings Sep 19 04:31:57 did you see the testing feeds announcement pseudo-package that I put in the old testing feeds to notify people using the old testing feeds? Sep 19 04:34:27 no.. Missed it, but probably due to searching for something very specific Sep 19 04:35:17 long2know: thanks for the feedback Sep 19 04:35:55 maybe Preware needs an "Announcement" type which shows up as a result for all searches and filters Sep 19 04:36:02 your welcome.. I'll try to be more observant in the future.:-) Sep 19 04:37:27 rwhitby: couldn't you have it be a special row on the main Preware screen above something like Updates? Sep 19 04:39:18 scrolling ticker-tape style perhaps Sep 19 06:22:08 good morning Sep 19 07:30:37 hello :) Sep 19 07:36:22 I guess its to early, cya Sep 19 07:36:52 haha :/ Sep 19 07:39:53 it's never too early to ignore impatient people ;) Sep 19 07:41:23 I hear that Sep 19 07:44:17 wow ya Sep 19 07:47:15 wrea, did you have any more luck since the last time i saw you tinkering with ad hoc? Sep 19 07:47:49 Somewhat actually. As in I connected without haveing to run a lot of commands Sep 19 07:48:00 I have to remember what I did to wpa_supplicant though Sep 19 07:51:09 thats nice... do you have the custom file saved? maybe you can do a diff Sep 19 07:51:58 I have all the files in email, just got to sift through them Sep 19 07:52:16 I dont really like the solution anyway Sep 19 07:52:52 It relies on having ap_mode set to 2 and one would have to patch a binary to change that Sep 19 07:54:47 such a pain that it doesnt work with ad hoc out of the box Sep 19 07:56:05 Seems that stock wpa_supplicant might be an issue, at least with getting it to connect in some way throguh the gui Sep 19 07:57:43 hum.. the gui never shows up ad hoc networks even with your custom one right? could you manually type in network info and connect via gui or was it all via commands Sep 19 07:58:23 I manually connected through the gui Sep 19 07:59:08 wrea, oh wow thats huge Sep 19 08:00:19 I suppose Sep 19 08:07:08 My adhoc setup isnt ideal and frustrating, so I havent been motivated the last few days Sep 19 08:07:54 as hoc always a bitch. Sep 19 08:22:19 LOL Sep 19 08:22:28 http://www.hpwebos.com/robots.txt << User-agent: Vampires Disallow: /neck Sep 19 08:22:44 awesome Sep 19 08:37:21 joy @robots Sep 19 10:47:47 hey guys Sep 19 10:53:10 Xuzz: lolol XD Sep 19 11:34:31 http://testing-preware.org/ isnt working it seems Sep 19 11:36:02 hmm. http://www-preware.org/ isn't either. wonder what's going on. Sep 19 11:36:13 www- Sep 19 11:36:16 seems wrong link is used in preware and on webos-internals site..http://testing.preware.org/ does work Sep 19 11:36:48 rwhitby : i guess you're being sarcastic but fact is the wrong link is out there Sep 19 11:36:54 YeahRight: where? Sep 19 11:37:15 changelog of preware Sep 19 11:37:38 and in the preware description on my touchpad Sep 19 11:38:01 orly? Sep 19 11:38:08 hmm..ditch last remark Sep 19 11:38:20 ditch the one before it too :) Sep 19 11:38:32 1.8.3 Please read http://testing-preware.org/ if you use the testing feeds Sep 19 11:39:44 where exactly are you seeing that? Sep 19 11:39:59 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware#Feed_management Sep 19 11:40:35 ah, let's see who made that typo ... Sep 19 11:41:25 :P Sep 19 11:41:27 you can blame "Bgrambo" for that. Dunno who that is, but they made a typo on the wiki page. Sep 19 11:41:42 note that the changelog in the app and in the preware description are correct. Sep 19 11:41:59 wiki page has now been corrected too. thanks for pointing it out. Sep 19 11:41:59 yeah i already ditched that one :P Sep 19 11:42:18 sure yw..i'll survive your sarcasm :P Sep 19 11:42:31 (note that the official changelog of Preware is in the Help->Changelog in the app) Sep 19 11:42:43 (ok) Sep 19 11:44:02 looks like his other edits to that page were useful Sep 19 11:51:40 i'n reinstalling preware from command line and get: "Would you like to include any alpha Preware releases for this install/update" Sep 19 11:51:57 this refers to the prewarepackage itself and not to alpha testing feeds i guess? Sep 19 11:52:45 hmm - I doubt that will do anything now anyway Sep 19 11:52:54 since the feeds have changed :) Sep 19 11:53:21 to what did it refer then originally? Sep 19 11:53:44 using the testing feed version of Preare Sep 19 11:53:46 preware Sep 19 11:54:01 ah Sep 19 12:03:04 LOLWUT Sep 19 12:30:42 on http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:PsychoKernel it states These kernels are INTENDED FOR ALPHA TESTING ONLY. However the beta testing feed shows the F4 kernel..i guess this means its eligible for beta testing too now? Sep 19 12:33:10 yep, I'd say so. Sep 19 12:33:38 note that there may still be a version of the kernel in the alpha feed even while a different version of the same kernel is in the beta feed Sep 19 12:34:35 yeah makes sense Sep 19 12:35:22 permit me one more question rwhitby : if i install F4 kernel this won't influence my openssh setup and fstab edits etc? Sep 19 12:35:34 correct Sep 19 12:35:39 thank you Sep 19 12:36:07 np, thanks again for pointing out the wiki error Sep 19 12:36:54 anytime :P i'll report again in the unlikely case i find some error Sep 19 12:45:50 how are ppl supposed to reach http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:UberKernel or http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:PsychoKernel without using search? Sep 19 12:46:41 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:webOS_Applications_All is not listing them for ex Sep 19 12:46:58 from the Homepage link in the Preware package description Sep 19 12:47:25 same way you get to any package's documentation Sep 19 12:48:21 but feel free to link it into anywhere you think it should be linked to on the wiki Sep 19 12:48:41 the best person to know where to link something is the person who is currently searching :) Sep 19 12:49:48 i'm not sure what you meant by "from the Homepage link in the Preware package description" Sep 19 12:50:10 tap on a package in preware Sep 19 12:50:29 ah..you mean on touchpad Sep 19 12:50:37 i was talking about the site though.. Sep 19 12:51:04 right. feel free to link pages to places where you expect to see them on the wiki Sep 19 12:51:39 it's not easy to find on the wiki..you already need to know the name Sep 19 12:51:55 right. do what you think is needed to fix that. Sep 19 12:52:13 i also cant seem to find install instructions for F4 kernel on the wiki .. i guess i need to deinstall uberkernel first and return to stock before i can install F4 Sep 19 12:52:24 yeah i will look into it Sep 19 12:52:32 have you read http://bit.ly/phd-ac ? Sep 19 12:52:57 nope..using my pc atm.. Sep 19 12:53:14 wouldnt that be information one would expect at the wiki too? Sep 19 12:53:39 well, we assume that when you're installing packages you're on your device Sep 19 12:54:03 since that's where you run Preware Sep 19 12:54:08 when you actually installing you obviously are on the device :P Sep 19 12:54:28 and since Preware is the place where you discover the packages Sep 19 12:54:29 however i tend to digest information on my pc too..prepare..;-) Sep 19 12:55:06 i mean thats the idea of the wiki in the first place i would say.. Sep 19 12:55:16 well, I'll tell you know that no-one has put any effort into making the wiki a catalog of packages Sep 19 12:55:21 s/know/now/ Sep 19 12:55:22 rwhitby meant: well, I'll tell you now that no-one has put any effort into making the wiki a catalog of packages Sep 19 12:56:11 since that would be duplicating information that is already in Preware, and which would then get out of sync (as you experienced with the changelog wiki page) Sep 19 12:56:27 i see Sep 19 12:57:41 so you're saying its required to buy the Preware Homebrew Documentation package to get the kernel install instructions? might pose a problem for ppl without access to the US app market or without having a credit card Sep 19 12:58:14 it's not required. all the information is available on the internet somewhere. Sep 19 12:59:06 that app is somewhere that I can point people so they can spend 99 cents learning on their own instead of taking up the time of the developers Sep 19 13:00:42 heh ok..just meant to say some ppl cant buy it and therefore will still take up some of your precious time :P by no means i'm critizing Sep 19 13:00:43 ironically, one of the 1 star reviews says exactly "this app is a waste of money cause I can find all the information in it on the internet". that person didn't really get the whole thanking the developers part of it Sep 19 13:00:56 lol..indeed Sep 19 13:02:55 well, the people who *can't* buy it (as opposed to won't buy it) are an extremely small percentage of the user base. And I can say that because I'm in a country that until very recently did not have access to paid apps, and I also have written an app that allows any device to be registered for the US app catalog where someone can use a virtual debit card to buy things. Sep 19 13:03:02 halloooo Sep 19 13:03:43 right Sep 19 13:33:31 bonjour Sep 19 14:20:01 rwhitby: does the pre3 have a microsd slot??? Sep 19 14:20:22 the ebay listing says "expandable up to 16gb" Sep 19 14:20:40 sigh. why do people believe an ebay listing? Sep 19 14:21:10 PatrickC: and why does that question need to be personally addressed to me? Sep 19 14:21:10 because it was on the internet, it must be true Sep 19 14:21:14 which is why I was asking? Sep 19 14:21:24 rwhitby: cause you have a pre3? Sep 19 14:21:58 PatrickC: and no-one else on the internet does? and it's never been reviewed by anyone? and the specs are not public? Sep 19 14:22:18 seriously mate, you've now used up your quota. Sep 19 14:24:38 Lol plenty of other people couldve answered that question. Rwhitby has important things to do :p Sep 19 16:53:43 is there a kernel that is favored or are they all about the same except for o/c capabilities and are there any patches we shouldn't install if using a custom kernel? Sep 19 16:55:14 I've never ran into a patch that conflicted with a kernel Sep 19 17:11:48 someone should make a patch to add google tasks sync'ing into the stock tasks app Sep 19 18:13:22 ah... finally setup to compile kernels.. compiled warthog's for the TP but with a few different setting. lets see how she preforms :D Sep 19 18:15:47 Folks, I need a spot of help. I'm about to purchase an ATT Pre3 and just wanted to protect myself a bit through Paypal. Can anyone tell me what the P/N (model number) is? Sep 19 18:21:25 im trying to see if i can track something down for you' Sep 19 18:23:52 I would, but don't have my AT&T pre3 yet. sorry Sep 19 18:28:23 you bought one patrick? Sep 19 18:28:31 dwc-: yeap Sep 19 18:28:36 parents got it for me Sep 19 18:28:45 don't you keep telling us how piss poor you are and can't afford new phones Sep 19 18:28:50 and touchpads Sep 19 18:28:54 $600? Sep 19 18:29:14 lol Sep 19 18:29:16 they got it for super cheap Sep 19 18:29:18 under $100 Sep 19 18:29:20 i love this place Sep 19 18:29:22 idk how :D Sep 19 18:29:22 he sold a kidney Sep 19 18:29:25 wtf, I want a pre3 for < $100 Sep 19 18:29:26 who did they stab? Sep 19 18:29:35 ghostinator: thanks Sep 19 18:29:48 dwc-: we got lucky on ebay Sep 19 18:29:51 I'm willing to pay ~200ish for sure Sep 19 18:29:57 what, someone had buyitnow for < $100? Sep 19 18:30:03 idk Sep 19 18:30:05 the ones I saw were like 500-600 Sep 19 18:30:08 for a pre 3 i'd pay no more than 4 Sep 19 18:30:10 all they said was under $100 to me Sep 19 18:30:15 no link, no other info Sep 19 18:30:27 HP Pre 3 - 16GB - Black (Unlocked) Smartphone Sep 19 18:30:27 12 new from: $349.00 Sep 19 18:30:27 Next auction ends: $455.00 | Sep 19 18:30:29 3d 17h 46m Sep 19 18:30:38 let's see Sep 19 18:30:50 let's find the completed ones Sep 19 18:30:55 Hi, I'm trying to install Ubuntu on a disk image (I ran meta-doctor but apparently it didn't work). The img should be mounted but I can't install (Unable to run command /sbin/initctl start...). Anyone willing to troubleshoot a little? I'm using a Touchpad 16gb Sep 19 18:32:11 I see nothing on ebay under "pre3" taht completed and actually sold for that cheap Sep 19 18:34:04 I have this in my /etc/fstab http://pastie.org/2559020 Sep 19 18:36:22 only p/n i can find is for the euro pre 3 Sep 19 18:38:05 we need some better zoomed pics of those boxes Sep 19 18:39:04 I'll give them to you once mine arrives Sep 19 18:39:50 there was a thread on precentral, someone posted who had one Sep 19 18:40:09 they had answered some people's questionsa bout it Sep 19 18:40:12 you might try asking there Sep 19 18:42:58 dwc-, are you talking to me? Sep 19 18:56:13 Is there any way I can find out what's in the testing repos (beta, not alpha) without reinstalling preware? Specifically, I want to know if anything in there is worth reinstalling preware for Sep 19 18:58:30 Wonder where LarrySteeze has been Sep 19 19:08:02 koichirose: no, to Davide-NYC Sep 19 19:08:37 koichirose: the line you are talking about is not valid for a fstab Sep 19 19:08:58 dwc-, I know, that was wrong. How do I copypaste from novaterm? Sep 19 19:10:10 not sure. I use novacom straight from a terminal and I copy/paste from that Sep 19 19:11:01 M25: of course there is. Sep 19 19:11:19 * dwc- finds some feed urls in preware's git repo Sep 19 19:11:56 looks like a 1000 Hz clock nets about a 2 point gain on Lithium benchmark Sep 19 19:12:02 touchpad wise Sep 19 19:31:22 hm. I'm inside ubuntu teminal. I installed lxde. now I can't start it. the keyboard disappeared Sep 19 19:31:35 reboot your tp Sep 19 19:31:49 i get that problem on occasion Sep 19 19:38:14 dtzWill: will the xrandr chanfe Sep 19 19:38:17 ddjjfje Sep 19 19:38:20 fail Sep 19 19:39:08 dtzWill: will the xrandr changes go into the testing repos before they show up in main? Sep 19 19:40:24 ghostinator, done. I'm in :) the keyboard won't hide anymore though ^^ Sep 19 19:52:15 we have an infobot now? Sep 19 19:57:16 HZ clock does nothing Sep 19 19:57:34 really? hmm, code crumb wanted me to try different builds and bench them Sep 19 19:57:41 you can make that 20,000 and it wont change anything Sep 19 19:57:58 benchmarks are like statistics, they can change at whim Sep 19 19:58:02 very true Sep 19 19:58:09 What does it control exactly? I never understood Sep 19 19:58:17 it's almost immpossible to get a true benchmark out of a multi-user system Sep 19 19:58:40 HZ is the old method of clock control... modern kernels use HRTIMER or equiv Sep 19 19:59:21 espceially when you combine that with NOHZ CONFIG setting Sep 19 19:59:35 the timer will only fire when there is an interupt Sep 19 19:59:49 awesome, i've wasted time today building useless kernels and benching them Sep 19 20:00:26 benchmarking a running multi-user system will give you dramatic swings in numbers. Sep 19 20:00:56 yeah i figured so i the benchmarks about 20 times to get a better average Sep 19 20:01:09 run* Sep 19 20:02:44 oh well Sep 19 20:05:52 you will have to shut off all unneeded services and run it in airplane mode to get somekind of a decent benchmark. Sep 19 20:06:49 i run it in airplane mode anyways, what services should i disable? Sep 19 20:08:15 you'll get an idea of what runs in the background by running top. Sep 19 20:09:10 when i used to bench the Pre/Pre2, i would kill the GUI and everything with it. Sep 19 20:09:26 everything else would just be benching JS/HTML5 Sep 19 20:09:37 i guess i could do that then run nbench Sep 19 20:10:23 let's stop services and see what happens haha Sep 19 20:13:52 what else is associated with LunaSysMgr? Sep 19 20:21:44 scores are higher without lunasys runnnig.. time to redo it all! Sep 19 20:56:30 Hey everyone! Sep 19 20:56:56 has anyone tried to use a usb to serial adapter with theit TouchPad? I think I have udev issues :) Sep 19 20:57:33 sorry.. that's more like it Sep 19 21:01:56 Again... has anyone tried to use a usb to serial adapter with theit TouchPad? I think I have udev issues :) Sep 19 21:02:01 (sorry for the repost) Sep 19 21:04:02 udev? anyone? I think ubuntu 11.04 runs usb_modeswitcher by default for serial devices, but there should be a configuration for easily enabling serial adapters :( Sep 19 21:36:11 Hoot Sep 19 21:39:29 hey RichT23 Sep 19 21:40:12 Hellowl PatrickC Sep 19 21:41:33 So loving my veer =) Sep 19 21:41:56 lol Sep 19 21:41:59 cool :) Sep 19 21:42:30 so small and way faster then the pixi was Sep 19 21:43:40 would be nice of the screen span round Sep 19 21:43:59 or should i say if you could rotate the screen Sep 19 21:45:56 use a hammer Sep 19 21:46:37 got a funny fealing that would just brake my hart Sep 19 21:46:50 I wish I had my Veer Sep 19 21:47:37 they are much cheeper to buy in the us Sep 19 21:48:46 * PatrickC gets ready to build pre2 tonight Sep 19 21:48:48 well, at least its not breaking your heart Sep 19 21:51:19 =) Sep 19 21:52:33 Am I in the right place to ask about xecuter? Sep 19 21:53:23 xecutah* Sep 19 21:54:08 correct channel Sep 19 21:54:18 but i dont know if anyone who can help you is here atm Sep 19 21:54:26 ask your question, if anyone knows they'll answer when they see it Sep 19 21:54:52 ah ok. just wondering if I can get it to log verbosely in lumbejack Sep 19 21:55:26 for the mojo-app portion? Sep 19 21:55:32 when I click xterm nothing happens which I wanted to sort out Sep 19 21:55:40 starting lumberjack should up the log level Sep 19 21:55:51 but if xecutah isn't logging anything, it would be blank Sep 19 21:56:20 i suggest trying the everything option, or the custom option then type in xecutah Sep 19 21:58:47 xterm logs it's initial output in /tmp/xterm.log Sep 19 21:58:55 xserver logs it's initial output in /tmp/xserver.log Sep 19 21:59:41 andyc: which version of Xecutah are you using, on which device and on which webOS version? Also, which instructions did you follow to set it up? Sep 19 22:01:31 does anyone know of a new hulu fix, or ar we stuck waiting for hulu to make an app now? Sep 19 22:01:53 webos 2.1.0 uk o2 preplus. xecuter 0.9.0. I'll cat those logs and see what I find. Sep 19 22:12:58 jtrucks: the existing fix doesn't work? Sep 19 22:13:41 Ah just me being stupid, didn't realise I had to launch an xserver before the xterm (thought it would launch one regardless). thanks for your help - i've not had a terminal since 1.4.5. Sep 19 22:14:08 rwhitby: I heard the current workaround was blocked by hulu a few days ago. Sep 19 22:16:28 waiting for hulu to make an app, haha, funny Sep 19 22:21:13 lol Sep 19 22:29:02 Hey LarrySteeze Sep 19 22:37:01 hey there Sep 19 22:37:37 How's it going? Sep 19 22:41:56 it's all good Sep 19 22:42:11 tryina figure out if I'm going to win my fantasy game tonight Sep 19 22:49:32 rwhitby: yeah, hulu stopped the flash hack from working. I tried a few random strings and nothing worked, so they might be doing it via browser user-agent strings instead Sep 19 22:50:05 isn't that what the patch changed? Sep 19 22:50:10 the useragent? Sep 19 22:59:28 the patch changed flash's user agent string, no? Sep 19 23:08:18 atch changed the flash library file Sep 19 23:08:26 's user-agent/version string Sep 19 23:20:49 right, they are doing it by the browsers user agent now Sep 19 23:27:51 that's why I was saying there should be a patch that takes domain into consideration with the useragent Sep 19 23:29:56 I sent an email on Friday to Palm about their webkit source Sep 19 23:31:17 wrea: to opensourcequestions@palm.com ? Sep 19 23:31:22 Yeah Sep 19 23:31:42 cool Sep 19 23:31:43 good. I've had success with that address before. Sep 19 23:32:02 wrea: what's the issue? source incomplete? Sep 19 23:32:26 linuxjacques, Yeah, they're only distributing two directories Sep 19 23:34:32 wrea: ah, I hope that resolves more like the tp kernel source issue (quickly and satisfactorily) and not like the SDL source issue (still not resolved from late 2009). Sep 19 23:36:23 Arent there non profit orgs that handle violations? Sep 19 23:36:29 Whats SDL's license anyway? Sep 19 23:38:09 "SDL is distributed under GNU LGPL version 2." Sep 19 23:38:50 Well, if they're using 1.3 or nexer they can license it commercially Sep 19 23:39:19 webos is 1.2 Sep 19 23:39:30 Oh, well then Sep 19 23:40:08 the source is close to complete, but we can't build it Sep 19 23:40:17 we don't have all the header files Sep 19 23:42:51 every one team up and all send them emails about it Sep 19 23:43:17 is there anyway to make the advanced browser default to handle links? Sep 19 23:43:21 Well, I guess the best way to go about is to contact SDL and see if they would officially contact them about their noncompliance. Sep 19 23:43:33 very true Sep 19 23:44:00 goota go, bbl Sep 20 00:09:28 ghostinator: does it show up in the launcher / default applications thing? Sep 20 00:09:49 ... though I guess on my pre2, only the palm ones show up for me Sep 20 00:15:07 it won't let me select anything Sep 20 00:15:15 all the options are greyed out Sep 20 00:51:17 Ok, so, what do I use to edit apps with a external keyboard? TIDE? Or is there something better? (under ubuntu chroot maybe) Sep 20 00:54:27 * NuttyBunny_TP wonders if eclipse works inside the chroot Sep 20 00:54:52 dunno, TIDE looks decent, but I haven't used it much Sep 20 00:55:23 I need multi file editing Sep 20 00:55:46 gVim. Sep 20 00:56:01 or gedit Sep 20 00:58:45 yeah, I might go with one of those. jedit works tho Sep 20 01:10:11 quick question if anyone could help :\ Sep 20 01:10:21 i installed java, restarted, but when i double click webosquickinstall jar it just says windows cannot open file and asks me which programs to open with Sep 20 01:10:26 windows 7 64bit here Sep 20 01:10:52 well, java is not registered for handler for jar files Sep 20 01:11:35 :? Sep 20 01:12:56 i even tried selecting javaw.exe for it but ran into an error Sep 20 01:13:14 could not find the main class: etc etc Sep 20 01:15:11 mmm... do you have a java.exe file somewhere?? Sep 20 01:15:25 sounds to me like it isn't correctly installed Sep 20 01:15:32 ive installed it twice Sep 20 01:15:40 just finished installing jdk as well Sep 20 01:15:54 you just need the jre portion, the runtime environment Sep 20 01:16:46 well i have installed, reinstalled the jre Sep 20 01:17:29 you could try the 32 bit version (I don't use 64bits so I don't really know what I'm saying) :) Sep 20 01:22:08 from the command prompt java -jar name_of_jar_file.jar worked Sep 20 01:22:10 lol Sep 20 01:22:12 man pita Sep 20 01:22:26 at least it runs :) Sep 20 01:22:28 thanks for the help tho Sep 20 01:22:29 write a .bat for it ) Sep 20 01:22:32 ;) Sep 20 01:23:58 the command line is the best way to run a doctor anyway. otherwise you are flying blind. Sep 20 01:33:17 rwhitby: hey! have you played with udev on the tp Sep 20 01:33:20 ? Sep 20 01:37:36 not to any large extent. Haven't played with host mode yet (just got my cable the other day) Sep 20 01:38:44 you could've done it yourself, just set pin 5 to gnd and get a self powered usb hub, I did that in 1 hour yesterday :) Sep 20 01:39:58 But my usb to serial cable is not working, apparently ubuntu grabs all serial usb devices and passes them through usb_modeswitcher, which isn't in the TP.. I have to research some more so I can leave my laptop behind and work just with the TP :D Sep 20 01:44:10 Of course, if you don't set pin 5 to gnd and plug the powered hub, the TP crashes, so don't do that :D Sep 20 01:49:16 what is usb_modeswticher? Sep 20 01:49:41 rwhitby: looks like jcsullins was able to recvoery from erased p8 on tp Sep 20 01:50:05 tmzt: a program that enables the use of most usb modems on ubuntu on x86 Sep 20 01:51:22 tmzt: yep, using dfu-util Sep 20 02:41:17 I know I'm going to get burned at the stake for this, but is there any way to run novaterm on Windows 8 Developer Preview so I can enable the alpha/beta feeds? I'm asking if anyone's tried it. Sep 20 02:44:22 acfrazier: not that I've heard of, and not a bad question at all. Sep 20 02:44:46 Well, last time I asked if one could do it in Windows 7, people were reluctant to tell me I could Sep 20 02:44:52 if you install Xecutah, you can actually update that way Sep 20 02:45:38 hm. I have it installed, but I like using the keyboard on my computer while typing in commands Sep 20 02:45:39 makes life easier Sep 20 02:45:52 I'll give it a shot anyway, so I can let you guys know Sep 20 02:46:00 novaterm works, its just... not pretty on windows Sep 20 02:46:24 Oh, I know it works on Windows 7, but I'm not sure about the developer preview. Sep 20 02:47:16 hey all, looking for help installing kernel on touchpad Sep 20 02:47:43 have beta feeds enabled, but get errors on install Sep 20 02:47:56 there is no reason it would not work. I havent tried it myself yet, but I seem to recall that there were reports of it working without issues Sep 20 02:49:13 hm. VirtualBox is screaming at me that it doesn't like my kernel version Sep 20 02:49:18 wonder if I can work around that Sep 20 02:49:53