**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Sep 21 02:59:57 2011 Sep 21 03:00:36 running first use app right now, still loading.... Sep 21 03:02:23 YES Sep 21 03:02:42 Thank you Internalz Pro, just copied the notification.wav from usr/palm/sounds to media/internal/Ringtones and viola Sep 21 03:03:03 Should this be on the wiki page for changing the notification sounds as a valid method? I find it to be much easier than the methods currently listed Sep 21 03:05:11 Signed into my Palm Profile with no problem. Thanks guys! Sep 21 03:05:20 Glad you got it to work! Sep 21 03:05:30 cool :) Sep 21 03:06:01 Now I've just gotta get my roms onto the pre without the usb cord hahahaha Sep 21 03:06:29 tough one :P Sep 21 03:06:59 thinking of ssh but I'm hardly familiar with it haha Sep 21 03:07:14 good luck with that, I'm a GUI whore Sep 21 03:07:37 what filename should I use for the config file (so make config grabs the default configuration)? Sep 21 03:07:44 lol same. It's why I use Ubuntu haha Sep 21 03:08:35 I use ubuntu, but spent 80% of the time doing everything in a command line window :D Sep 21 03:08:48 dwc-: help? :) Sep 21 03:09:54 .config Sep 21 03:10:16 isnt the Ubuntu gui to open terminal anyway :| ony ever use ubuntu's GUI on live CD's Sep 21 03:10:48 dwc-: thanks :D Sep 21 03:10:50 ahahaha losers like me love Unity! Sep 21 03:11:30 make menuconfig Sep 21 03:11:32 thats what Macos is for.. a GUI Sep 21 03:11:36 sorry, wrong window Sep 21 03:12:15 bleh mac Sep 21 03:13:55 webOS+ubuntu, it's all I need. After plugging a USB keyboard I've been using it for everything. Now I just need to compile one single module to leave the laptop behind :) Sep 21 03:14:55 its the same story with eComstation/ OS/2 Sep 21 03:15:05 I love webOS Internals. I installed a kernel which didn't like my phone, and it was very easy to recover :) Sep 21 03:15:06 the cmdline is central to doing anything useful on the OS Sep 21 03:15:07 webos is still missing a few things for touchpad to make it totally usable Sep 21 03:15:09 can get frustrating Sep 21 03:15:28 hewball: like? Sep 21 03:15:40 decent IM client Sep 21 03:15:47 hear hear Sep 21 03:15:51 and the stock one isn't enough? Sep 21 03:15:57 what is it missing? Sep 21 03:16:00 MSN Sep 21 03:16:07 NuttyBunny is working on messaging plugins Sep 21 03:16:13 I think MSN is one of them Sep 21 03:16:38 hey Sep 21 03:16:50 I was unaware people still used MSN IM Sep 21 03:17:11 lol Sep 21 03:17:15 here is OZ it seems to be what everyone uses Sep 21 03:17:18 hey Chat7999 Sep 21 03:17:22 MSN is very large outside of NA/USA Sep 21 03:17:28 hewball: oh, I'd believe that Sep 21 03:17:30 AIM is mostly a North American phenomenon Sep 21 03:17:37 ICQ is its european cousin :P Sep 21 03:17:42 it seems like everyone I talk to is on gtalk Sep 21 03:17:43 QQ is big in China Sep 21 03:17:44 who uses AIM anymore? :P Sep 21 03:17:48 the IM networks are much like the social networks Sep 21 03:17:50 I use aim almost exclusively Sep 21 03:17:50 gtalk FTW Sep 21 03:17:54 they get big in one area Sep 21 03:18:11 * NuttyBunny is not working on the messaging plugins Sep 21 03:18:23 sureeee. :P Sep 21 03:18:25 Most multiprotocols suck ass at being actually useable or light Sep 21 03:18:35 Digsby tries to do everything, same trap trillian fell into Sep 21 03:18:35 gaim 1.5! Sep 21 03:18:38 * NuttyBunny is working on compiling the driver for his pl2303 USB to serial converter :) Sep 21 03:18:45 * halfhalo uses aim and gtalk. and msn. and yahoo. and skype. and a little known thing called text messages Sep 21 03:18:46 lol Sep 21 03:18:47 libpurple is what is needed Sep 21 03:18:51 AIM + Adhack = basically perfect Sep 21 03:19:00 or... did I misunderstand? Sep 21 03:19:01 halfhalo, you're in my boat :P Sep 21 03:19:04 halfhalo: some people dont have Skype on their phone Sep 21 03:19:09 i dont :C Sep 21 03:19:12 Skype IM even would be nice Sep 21 03:19:14 but NOOOOOOOO Sep 21 03:19:15 bad Skype Sep 21 03:19:16 oh hey, patrick Sep 21 03:19:19 question for you Sep 21 03:19:26 yeah Sep 21 03:19:38 with enyo on the pre2, have you managed to get the att pre3 skype app working? Sep 21 03:19:48 not yet Sep 21 03:19:54 I have yet to get the app itself Sep 21 03:20:03 if someone can get it to me, I can work on it Sep 21 03:20:14 I thought you were faking your webos version last time Sep 21 03:20:22 I won't have my pre3 till friday Sep 21 03:20:29 I did, but it messed up everything else Sep 21 03:20:39 yea, but if you only need it to get the ipk... Sep 21 03:20:51 and I don't have the IPK link Sep 21 03:20:53 1.4.5 sounds like its SOL for this process, yes? Sep 21 03:20:59 anyone with a pre3 and Impostah in here? Sep 21 03:21:01 you can help Sep 21 03:21:07 gpsd for webos and id be happy Sep 21 03:21:11 :\ pre2 and touchpad only Sep 21 03:21:36 pre-, pre+, pre2, touchpad here Sep 21 03:21:48 will add pre3 to that on friday (maybe sooner) Sep 21 03:21:49 well, pixi+ but who cares about the pixi :C Sep 21 03:21:55 lol Sep 21 03:21:55 other than me Sep 21 03:21:58 :'( Sep 21 03:22:00 at this point, I have a non functioning pre-, sprintified pre2, veer, and a TP Sep 21 03:22:01 that was my first phone :) Sep 21 03:22:06 the Pixi rocks! Sep 21 03:22:18 Its my first smartphone, but to dodge the dataplan its operating in wifi+2g radio only mode Sep 21 03:22:25 i actually kinda miss my dumbphone Sep 21 03:22:34 it was never so slow that it missed picking up a call Sep 21 03:22:49 and it had dedicated hardware buttons for the camera and multitasking Sep 21 03:22:58 the Pixi with webOS 2.1 does exactly the same as the xperia x10 mini pro with android 2.3: CRAWL Sep 21 03:23:14 Saij: I really, really doubt your dumbphon had multitasking? Sep 21 03:23:18 yeah Sep 21 03:23:23 all NA Samsungs do Sep 21 03:23:35 ATT at one point called it the "3g button" Sep 21 03:24:00 basically a hardware button that pops over a system menu with 5 or so items in it, phone, message, apps, music, browser, quit Sep 21 03:24:14 if they're not open, selecting them opens and switches to, if it is open, it jsut brings that task to focus Sep 21 03:24:20 they all run concurrently in the background Sep 21 03:24:24 weird Sep 21 03:24:28 wow Sep 21 03:24:30 Amazing actually Sep 21 03:24:37 dumbphones for the win Sep 21 03:24:45 <|Jason8|> I had a samsung flip phone back in 2007 that multitasked with java apps Sep 21 03:24:49 <|Jason8|> and actually had flash lite Sep 21 03:24:51 text while i listen to music and browse the web on a 20$ samsung dumbphone? win Sep 21 03:25:02 <|Jason8|> so i could play crappy flash games stored on my SD card Sep 21 03:25:06 haha nice :) Sep 21 03:25:09 what one was that jason? Sep 21 03:25:23 <|Jason8|> Samsung SGH-A707 "Sync" Sep 21 03:25:46 <|Jason8|> It was fun. Sep 21 03:25:47 Ah, that was a great phone. Didn't know it had flash lite though. I had the 827 Access, and a737 which was the Sync in slider form Sep 21 03:25:55 <|Jason8|> Ah, yeah. Sep 21 03:26:01 <|Jason8|> The entire interface was coded in Flash. Sep 21 03:26:06 That I knew Sep 21 03:26:14 just never could get mine to cooperate with flash stuff Sep 21 03:26:17 or java side-loads Sep 21 03:26:23 <|Jason8|> True flash it wouldn't do Sep 21 03:26:26 I had to WAP it to get it signed and screw data plans Sep 21 03:26:30 <|Jason8|> but there was a pack of flash lite games that I downloaded. Sep 21 03:26:47 <|Jason8|> totally tethered on that thing nonstop Sep 21 03:26:56 <|Jason8|> for $15/mo for unlimited, I couldn't not Sep 21 03:27:02 Damn, thats nice Sep 21 03:27:10 plans are stupid expensive now Sep 21 03:27:17 25$ for 500mb? f-off ATT Sep 21 03:27:19 <|Jason8|> MEdia net unlimited Sep 21 03:27:38 I was/am on a Family plan, so I'm not adding more money for my parents to cover Sep 21 03:27:45 [08:25 PM] Bux: WebOS needs updated roll of webKit Sep 21 03:27:45 [08:25 PM] entirely Sep 21 03:27:49 yeah Sep 21 03:27:52 the browser is a hot mess Sep 21 03:27:57 has anyone ever looked into re-building the webkit/ewbcore that WebOS uses? Sep 21 03:28:11 I dont even know if there is a new browser that does that stand-alone Sep 21 03:28:11 it looked like the code was up on the Palm opensource site Sep 21 03:28:16 <|Jason8|> the browser works excellent and awful at the same time Sep 21 03:28:19 from what I understand, Universe browser is the same shit repackaged Sep 21 03:28:41 uNiXpSyChO, rwhitby, dwc-: IT WORKED!!!! Thanks guys, I was able to compile my module, put it in the directory, then ran depmod -a, modprobe and bang!!! minicom works!!! I think I can leave the laptop in the car tomorrow :D Sep 21 03:29:12 NuttyBunny: pastebin the config change and I'll put it in uberkernel Sep 21 03:29:29 what'd you do Nutty? I got in late Sep 21 03:29:32 sounds like some linux hackery :P Sep 21 03:30:36 CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_PL2303=y Sep 21 03:30:41 NuttyBunny: awesome! *claps* Sep 21 03:30:49 wait.. what am I clapping for? :) Sep 21 03:31:12 hello! I'm testing RDP from within a Debian chroot, but the keyboard mapping seems all kinds of screwed up. any suggestions? Sep 21 03:31:39 So I just emailed the roms to meself hahaha I am a GENIUS! :P Sep 21 03:31:48 NuttyBunny: so now you're going to ... manage IOS switches from your touchpad? Sep 21 03:32:03 * dwc- thinks that's probably the most common use for usb serial adapters these days Sep 21 03:32:14 uNiXpSyChO: exactly :D Saij: sort of, dwc- : BINGO!!!! Sep 21 03:32:37 nice chronofx Sep 21 03:32:44 =y or =m ? Sep 21 03:32:47 * Saij looks up wtf is a IOS switch Sep 21 03:33:00 (don't bloat my kernel!) Sep 21 03:33:02 benklop: it's screwed as well if you use a keyboard layout different from US Sep 21 03:33:07 dwc-: sorry, M :) Sep 21 03:33:21 Saij, Cisco switches Sep 21 03:33:25 I cheated, used make menuconfig Sep 21 03:33:43 make menuconfig is safer... it knows about dependencies Sep 21 03:34:01 but I've been known to edit .config and make oldconfig and hope it got everything Sep 21 03:34:03 * NuttyBunny works with Cisco switches, routers, wireless lan controllers, asa's, etc, etc, etc... every one of those, serial port, 9600baud, 8n1 Sep 21 03:34:08 menuconfig does not Sep 21 03:34:13 NuttyBunny: in chroot / xterm in general, or ? Sep 21 03:34:38 uNiXpSyChO: sure it does... it doesn't let you get to the menu with CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_PL2303 unless CONFIG_USB etc is enabled Sep 21 03:34:54 it doesn't let you set =y when you've set the grouping to only be =m, etc Sep 21 03:34:55 benklop: ubuntu chroot, I only use xterm/root when I need it to. I run my chroot as the webos user that came with it Sep 21 03:34:56 the Kconfig handles dependencies Sep 21 03:35:02 actually manageing a switch from a touchpad seems like the kinda idea I'd go for Sep 21 03:35:29 dwc-: user interface uNiXpSyChO: implementation Sep 21 03:35:32 xconfig or menuconfig just reads and interprets whats in Kconfig Sep 21 03:35:35 and since we already can do ESC and arrows from the virtual keyboard, well, nice! Sep 21 03:36:07 * dwc- concedes the implementation details point to uNiXpSyChO Sep 21 03:36:31 * uNiXpSyChO needs beer. a little meowy tonight :-) Sep 21 03:36:52 the only thing is that I still need external power for the USB devices, so, wall adaptor till I do my battery+regulator power source :) Sep 21 03:37:23 And best of all, the battery in the TouchPad lasts waaaay longer than the one in my laptop! Sep 21 03:37:25 hi Sep 21 03:37:48 NuttyBunny: i would be damned to use a Pad for configuring routahs Sep 21 03:38:19 does any1 know why i can't get beta feeds, even though i enabled it already? Sep 21 03:38:39 did you follow all the instructions? Sep 21 03:38:46 * uNiXpSyChO tip-toes out of the room Sep 21 03:38:49 prewarefeedprobl: http://testing.preware.org Sep 21 03:38:49 uNiXpSyChO: Think about a folio case, a small bt keyboard, a little serial cable, and carrying it around, configuring from the chroot :D Sep 21 03:38:56 uNiXpSyChO: get back in here! :) Sep 21 03:39:04 i followed it Sep 21 03:39:17 made the file Sep 21 03:39:19 mkdir -p /var/preferences/org.webosinternals.preware touch /var/preferences/org.webosinternals.preware/enable-beta-feeds Sep 21 03:39:30 * rwhitby notices rule #8 has not been cited yet Sep 21 03:39:31 + touch it Sep 21 03:39:33 but can't get it Sep 21 03:39:34 NuttyBunny: oh. a keyboard too... ok. that's acceptable. :-) Sep 21 03:40:19 uNiXpSyChO: Doing it without the keyboard adds geek points, but it's awkward :) Sep 21 03:40:33 NuttyBunny: agreed. Sep 21 03:40:34 prewarefeedprobl: go read the instructions again, it'll work if you follow all the steps Sep 21 03:40:58 * dwc- changes rule #8 Sep 21 03:41:03 Rule #8. no talking about rule #8 Sep 21 03:41:09 * rwhitby also hopes the mkdir and touch wasn't on the same line as pasted here Sep 21 03:41:31 * uNiXpSyChO thinks about using his TP to plug into a CRS-1 chassis to configure it Sep 21 03:41:39 Well, gotta go. I now have jedit, palm-package, my usb-serial adapter working, VPN+chrome for work access. Now I can continue working on nuttypad Sep 21 03:41:44 oh wow... Sep 21 03:41:49 i reinstalled preware, works fine now... Sep 21 03:41:55 *facepalm* myself... Sep 21 03:42:50 uNiXpSyChO: the adapter is simple, I stripped a miniusb to microusb adapter, you just need to bridge pin 5 to ground to enable host mode. The power of course comes from an external source. No need for an "OTG Cable" Sep 21 03:43:19 thank you Sep 21 03:43:40 NuttyBunny: well, the need for an "OTG Cable" persists. You just happened to make one yourself. Sep 21 03:43:42 NuttyBunny: cool... now looking at my usb serial gadget in awe Sep 21 03:44:56 rwhitby: lemme rephrase, no need to buy an OTG cable (I happened to have the microusb adapter lying around) Sep 21 03:48:28 Ah, and for testing the serial port, bridge pins 2+3 and pins 4+8 on the serial port Sep 21 03:48:35 gotta go. bbl :-) Sep 21 03:49:02 haven't had much use for a loopback serial dongle in ... Sep 21 03:49:04 oh wait... never. Sep 21 03:49:35 me neither, till now, just for testing the port :-) Sep 21 03:51:06 I always just skipped the loopback tests on those old pc diagnostic softwares Sep 21 03:57:57 maybe this is a stupid question, but the magnetic port on the veer, does it do data transfer? or just charging? Sep 21 03:59:37 normal USB Sep 21 04:00:23 just not a common port on the phone side Sep 21 04:00:24 interesting Sep 21 04:00:51 nope. yay non-standard connectors! Sep 21 04:00:52 the magnetic port does usb data transfer and charging Sep 21 04:01:24 the protocol is USB, the connector is non-standard Sep 21 04:01:37 interesting Sep 21 04:01:58 I just got a veer in the mail today Sep 21 04:03:00 that is interesting... that's never happened to me before Sep 21 04:03:08 well, I mean, I bought it Sep 21 04:03:43 I'm just pondering the feasibility of trying out the gsm providers around here with it Sep 21 04:03:52 Support didnt know where to send my veer to Sep 21 04:04:01 see if they're useful enough to leave sprint for Sep 21 04:14:50 crazy netsplittage :) Sep 21 04:16:39 war is xecuter? Sep 21 04:18:18 hi Sep 21 04:18:19 klok Sep 21 04:18:26 hello Sep 21 04:18:59 what is executah? Sep 21 04:19:35 no idea Sep 21 04:19:46 it appears to be for running debian/ubuntu stuff under webOS Sep 21 04:19:57 sorta a front-end for their terminal sessions i guess Sep 21 04:20:06 i believe it does a startx and some other stuff Sep 21 04:20:08 or an x server for anything or an xterm locally not in debian/ubuntu Sep 21 04:20:12 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Xecutah Sep 21 04:20:54 yeah I looked at that but it didn't go over uses Sep 21 04:21:48 for a start it's the only Terminal solution that works on all webOS versions and all webOS devices. Sep 21 04:22:05 it is also the gateway to Ubuntu and Debian chroots Sep 21 04:22:10 for trohbleshooting? Sep 21 04:26:33 troubleshoootah Sep 21 04:30:51 lol Sep 21 04:32:05 compootah Sep 21 04:33:22 I see whatbyou are doing there, you are adding the ah at the end of tech terms Sep 21 04:33:36 good observah Sep 21 04:34:13 that's pretty clevah Sep 21 04:34:36 see what I did therr Sep 21 04:34:57 I added the ah at the end of clever Sep 21 04:35:06 hell yeah :P Sep 21 04:36:09 ha ha ha Sep 21 04:38:37 @rwhitby, I compiled a list of help for the wIRC commands Sep 21 04:38:48 well, mostly complete, I need to find what umode commands there are Sep 21 04:39:05 Would someone be able to add this to the app so you could read what each command does from the app? Sep 21 04:39:16 Saij: chat to PuffTheMagic on that Sep 21 04:41:38 thank you sir Sep 21 04:43:51 there's a partial list in the help menu of the app Sep 21 04:43:53 CARRIER=wr in meta-docotor means unlocked? Sep 21 04:44:06 at least, those are the ones I know of, mostly Sep 21 04:45:18 Xuzz thats what it means for Pre2 at least Sep 21 04:45:42 Yeah, they're there, but nothing that explains what they are and how to use them Sep 21 04:45:48 so I did that in a text document for the time being Sep 21 04:46:23 right, I was trying to supply a list Sep 21 04:46:25 re: umode Sep 21 04:46:36 umodes are all irc daemon dependent Sep 21 04:46:48 there are some that are more or less "standard" but not officially Sep 21 04:46:51 Okay, so there's nothing I can really add there that would be constant, right? Sep 21 04:46:57 Okay, good to know Sep 21 04:47:07 Xuzz: wr = world release Sep 21 04:47:16 unlocked GSM Sep 21 04:47:19 "umode" is basically a shortcut for the IRC command "MODE " Sep 21 04:47:26 if you say /umode +i Sep 21 04:47:33 it'd do /mode Saij +i Sep 21 04:48:31 some ircds support a "help" command Sep 21 04:48:45 most of the things on that list are more or less raw ircd commands Sep 21 04:51:14 ka6sox: cool, thanks Sep 21 04:52:00 Hm, awesome Sep 21 04:52:16 help umode t Sep 21 04:54:08 This may sound stupid, but how do you get the name highlight thing going on? Sep 21 04:54:39 in wirc? Sep 21 04:54:54 Yeah, when you did the umode line my name was highlighted Sep 21 04:55:00 or is that my IRC client doing magics Sep 21 04:55:06 that's your irc client doing it Sep 21 04:55:11 :3 Sep 21 04:55:12 heh Sep 21 04:55:18 * Saij derp Sep 21 04:55:21 trying meta-doctor for the first time… hope I did it right! Sep 21 04:56:05 fingers crossed Xuzz Sep 21 04:57:24 Xuzz, if not, restart, recycle repeat. Sep 21 04:57:27 it works. Sep 21 04:58:17 Truth Sep 21 05:07:59 doctoring... Sep 21 05:36:58 http://www.kysanelectronics.com/Products/datasheet_display.php?recordID=7850 Sep 21 05:37:09 wrong channel. Sep 21 05:50:10 whoa whoa my data partition survived doctor, that is awesome Sep 21 05:50:22 yeah, i believe that does and some other system mod stuff Sep 21 05:55:06 Xuzz: the doctor even does a non-destructive resize of your USB partition if you add an ext3fs partition Sep 21 05:55:16 very nice. Sep 21 06:04:58 whew, made it Sep 21 06:05:05 isn't that a nice feeling? Sep 21 06:05:12 indeed! Sep 21 06:05:39 Especially when it's to someplace important, like the bathroom..or your court date ;) Sep 21 06:05:51 haha Sep 21 06:05:55 so true Sep 21 06:06:30 I have a really really...stupid question Sep 21 06:06:45 shoot Sep 21 06:07:39 Preware-optware install..done..I decide I'm not ever going to ssh into my TouchPad..so I uninstall all the dependancies first and then finally install the optware bootstrap Sep 21 06:08:37 o.o Sep 21 06:08:37 okay Sep 21 06:08:38 except..did it really remove itself, so I install it again..and it's installed in under 2 second..unlike the first time I installed it which took at least a minute to create that 128mb filesystem..so..stupid question is Sep 21 06:09:09 what did it do? :o Sep 21 06:09:14 haha Sep 21 06:09:22 i think part of the install time is downloading/verifying the ipk Sep 21 06:09:27 once its been done, its stays cached Sep 21 06:09:32 oooooOOOoooo Sep 21 06:09:36 See...see.... Sep 21 06:09:39 I knew.. Sep 21 06:09:44 that all along Sep 21 06:09:50 *brushes off shoulders* Sep 21 06:09:59 I was completely testing you ;) Sep 21 06:10:05 :P Sep 21 06:10:15 Its a blind shot, that is what I believe to be the cause Sep 21 06:10:30 it just seems like it doesn't bother creating that file system again Sep 21 06:10:36 it must have Sep 21 06:10:37 like it's already there, but you're probably right, heh Sep 21 06:10:43 i mean, a128mb allocation is small as hell Sep 21 06:10:44 zenfool: there's an ext3fs image file in /media/cryptofs/optware.ext3 Sep 21 06:11:01 128MB on a slow ass MMC is not small as hell Sep 21 06:11:03 if you uninstall optware stuff and then remove that file, it will all be gone Sep 21 06:11:06 that's a good 10-20 seconds of writing Sep 21 06:11:09 oh! Sep 21 06:11:16 so i could use some sort of file explorer to remove that as well Sep 21 06:11:23 if I want it to be completely gone? Sep 21 06:11:25 i'ev never benched the SSD, is it really that piss-poor? Sep 21 06:11:43 yes Sep 21 06:11:47 yep. Use Internalz Pro, or any number of command line options (like Xecutah or novaterm) Sep 21 06:11:48 The SSD on my OG Asus EeePC was piss-poor, this one isn't so bad compared to that, lol Sep 21 06:12:15 my china netbook has the worst SSD ever Sep 21 06:12:21 ChinaBook? :D Sep 21 06:12:23 its some Sandisk, figure it'd be legit Sep 21 06:12:31 yeah, I like supporting VIA so I don't have many options Sep 21 06:12:43 the thing reads at 10mbps top and writes at 1mbps or less Sep 21 06:12:45 though MMC and SSD are essentially the same thing from a distance Sep 21 06:12:48 such a huge bottleneck Sep 21 06:12:56 the technologies are quite different, as is the interconnect (SATA vs MMC) Sep 21 06:13:18 MMC is multimedia card right? Sep 21 06:13:20 end result is SD/MMC is usually a single bank of flash and a much slower controller chip on board Sep 21 06:13:25 the thing that predated SD? Sep 21 06:13:31 <|Jason8|> <3 the SSD in my macbook Sep 21 06:13:42 <|Jason8|> was excellent in my netbook, too Sep 21 06:13:42 sort of. it's more like SD split from MMC, and MMC contined down a slightly diverging path Sep 21 06:13:57 I thought it got killed off, I had no idea it was still used Sep 21 06:14:00 a SD/MMC/SDIO controller is thes ame, and the raw command format is the same, but the commands differe a bit Sep 21 06:14:00 I must look into this Sep 21 06:14:12 yep, embedded chips that have smart controllers are usually eMMC Sep 21 06:14:17 though there's a new eSD spec now Sep 21 06:16:44 hm Sep 21 06:16:49 pretty interesting Sep 21 06:17:05 it's quite close to SD, it seems more of a political thing than anything else Sep 21 06:17:10 who owns the specs, etc Sep 21 06:17:39 +rwhitby Thank you Sep 21 06:17:46 errr Sep 21 06:18:04 that worked great Sep 21 06:18:07 and was exactly 128mb, lol Sep 21 06:18:09 go figure Sep 21 06:18:33 zenfool: I designed it, so it's not surprising it was exactly 128mb ;) Sep 21 06:18:38 haha Sep 21 06:18:48 nicely done :D Sep 21 06:18:53 will internalz let me delete by the way? Sep 21 06:18:56 I'm such a noob at this Sep 21 06:19:05 yes it will Sep 21 06:19:08 internalz = the tits Sep 21 06:19:18 I believe there's some very good Internalz documentation, even videos and such. Sep 21 06:19:24 oh awesome Sep 21 06:19:25 :D Sep 21 06:19:26 brb Sep 21 06:19:55 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fflbnHqm4Z8 ---Deleting how-to on youtube Sep 21 06:19:58 amazing, lol Sep 21 06:20:22 wow, that documentation goes deep Sep 21 06:21:00 Heh Sep 21 06:21:19 yeah it does, except that it won't let me do what's on the video *shakes fist in the air dramatically* Sep 21 06:21:39 O_o Sep 21 06:21:42 i never had a problem Sep 21 06:21:43 OH Sep 21 06:21:47 you need to turn on Master mode Sep 21 06:21:51 OOOO Sep 21 06:21:52 allows you to delete protected stuffs Sep 21 06:21:54 Master mode! Sep 21 06:21:59 *googles* Sep 21 06:22:05 just preferences it in the app :P Sep 21 06:22:11 learn by doing Sep 21 06:22:21 haha Sep 21 06:22:26 I see it Sep 21 06:23:09 and done Sep 21 06:23:25 Than you Saij Sep 21 06:23:28 err Sep 21 06:23:30 thank you Sep 21 06:23:36 I can't type worth a dime tonight Sep 21 06:23:51 all good Sep 21 06:23:57 that one took me a while to suss out Sep 21 06:24:05 i was all internalz wai u no delete Sep 21 06:24:10 lol Sep 21 06:24:11 but as most things, it was user error Sep 21 06:24:14 Wai! Wai! Sep 21 06:25:01 I keep finding more things to try with this TP Sep 21 06:25:04 it's keeping me occupied Sep 21 06:25:09 its a great device Sep 21 06:25:14 I gave mine to my father Sep 21 06:25:16 his mind = blown Sep 21 06:25:28 Hehe, awesome, that's an awesome gift Sep 21 06:25:44 Yeah, I want him to be able to sync his ACT! contacts with a device Sep 21 06:25:53 the Centro was supposed to perform this function, but it hasn't been playing nice Sep 21 06:26:02 I'm waiting for CompanionLink to go live for the Touchpad Sep 21 06:26:24 This is my first WebOS device, what a great OS, honestly. I've used them all and this is my favorite Sep 21 06:26:32 hi Sep 21 06:26:38 hai Sep 21 06:26:38 Heya LunohoD Sep 21 06:26:54 zen, I think you'd love some things about webos 2.x and 1.x devices even more Sep 21 06:26:58 the gesture area is godlike Sep 21 06:27:03 it is so functional Sep 21 06:27:40 I used to have a few older palms, PDA only devices and liked them very much. I had never played with WebOS though before this TP. Sep 21 06:27:54 yeah the PalmOS devices were amazing Sep 21 06:28:10 I've had Palm 3x, 5x, Tungsten, and now my dad has the Centro Sep 21 06:28:13 I miss PalmOS Sep 21 06:28:19 I really wish Classic didn't get axed :| Sep 21 06:28:45 Heh, I was a big Mac OS 9 fan and hated when it went away, heh Sep 21 06:28:47 I know the feeling Sep 21 06:28:52 OS/2 Sep 21 06:28:53 haha Sep 21 06:29:03 still use it from time to time, eComstation is progressing Sep 21 06:29:15 not making nearly the strides that BeOS has made from Zeta -> Haiku Sep 21 06:29:32 Hah, I actually ran BeOS for a few weeks at one time Sep 21 06:29:44 loved BeOS/haiku Sep 21 06:29:48 and I ran a weather monitoring station that was OS/2 Warp based Sep 21 06:29:53 ! Sep 21 06:29:58 haha fellow OS/2 brother Sep 21 06:30:02 Lmao Sep 21 06:30:03 OS/2 is pretty slick Sep 21 06:30:04 I wouldn't go that far Sep 21 06:30:10 but OS/2 was better than Win 3.1 Sep 21 06:30:14 yeah Sep 21 06:30:22 its still good Sep 21 06:30:23 It made Win 3.1 look like shit Sep 21 06:30:27 eComStation is nice Sep 21 06:30:30 some issues, but yeah Sep 21 06:30:41 its my olderhardwware go-to OS Sep 21 06:30:48 that or Xubuntu, depending Sep 21 06:30:48 if only they marketed it better Sep 21 06:30:58 we'd all be running OS/2 Hyper-Edition Sep 21 06:30:58 I had an Aptiva with OS/2 on it as my first computer Sep 21 06:31:00 haha Sep 21 06:31:01 and Corel WordPerfect Sep 21 06:31:03 Just picked up a Pixi Plus as a secondary phone for $36 and am loving it. Sep 21 06:31:05 ;) Sep 21 06:31:11 pixi+ users unite! Sep 21 06:31:18 We all (mostly) are. Sep 21 06:31:24 NT is dervied from OS/2 Sep 21 06:31:25 i'm missing escape button on my bt keyboard, anyone tried to change the key mappings? Sep 21 06:31:39 i believe i read something about not having esc support Sep 21 06:31:45 but i think that is only in executah Sep 21 06:31:48 You know..My primary phone is a Motorola Droid and I'm quite sick of Android to be honest, heh. Sep 21 06:31:52 I want a $55 Pre 2 Sep 21 06:31:56 55? Sep 21 06:31:57 In that case, recommendations for PreWare downloads? Sep 21 06:32:01 shit, I paid 110 :| Sep 21 06:32:10 I'd love to pay $55 for a pre 2 Sep 21 06:32:11 Uberkernel, Govnah Sep 21 06:32:15 start there Sep 21 06:32:17 love your phone Sep 21 06:32:31 you'll need it, pixi+ suffers from severe lack of balls Sep 21 06:32:40 that makes it almost managable Sep 21 06:32:45 Thanks Sep 21 06:32:55 My primary is also a Droid, btw. Sep 21 06:32:57 patches, I've around 200 installed Sep 21 06:33:00 And I am so sick of Android Sep 21 06:33:05 you can/will go wild with patching Sep 21 06:33:07 I suggest you do Sep 21 06:33:09 Hopefully ICS will change that Sep 21 06:33:12 roll your own webOS experience Sep 21 06:33:32 I will Sep 21 06:33:35 But the list is so long Sep 21 06:33:40 haha Sep 21 06:33:41 i know Sep 21 06:33:49 its something that usually takes me 2-3 hours to do Sep 21 06:33:57 right now, I can't install the GPS icon in Top Bar patch Sep 21 06:34:00 it is driving me NUTS Sep 21 06:34:20 I think its because I installed the System Menu framework patches and the one for the Calendar view thing on touch Date in Top Bar Sep 21 06:34:27 Is there a patch to get GPS fully working on a Verizon Pixi Plus? Sep 21 06:34:31 yes Sep 21 06:34:35 there are specific patches for that Sep 21 06:34:45 any idea what search to do Sep 21 06:34:48 having little luck Sep 21 06:34:48 AGPS Sep 21 06:34:49 or GPS Sep 21 06:34:54 Both Sep 21 06:34:56 maybe A-GPS Sep 21 06:35:01 I can't get either to work Sep 21 06:35:04 let me see if i can find Sep 21 06:35:09 Thanks Sep 21 06:35:13 you want the GPS FIX app Sep 21 06:35:15 I think its appstore Sep 21 06:35:25 Really? Sep 21 06:35:29 it pings the GPS satellites at predefined intervals to keep your location from going stale Sep 21 06:35:33 I make heavy use of it Sep 21 06:35:34 hm, I've decoded keymap-*.qmap files Sep 21 06:35:52 no point having the radio on if its going to give me shit data Sep 21 06:36:03 <- GIS/Enviro scientist Sep 21 06:36:15 I take my position error serious :L Sep 21 06:36:49 okay Sep 21 06:36:55 Preware -> patches -> All Sep 21 06:36:59 Search string: verizon Sep 21 06:37:13 Just waiting for Pixi+ to reboot Sep 21 06:37:25 After installing uberkernel Sep 21 06:37:28 there is a Verizon aGPS blocker patch, GPS fix for VZ Navigator, and finally Enable Verizon aGPS server for iMproved GPS Sep 21 06:37:36 read and choose Sep 21 06:37:43 I've ATT GSM so I've never looked into those patches Sep 21 06:37:57 Cause AT&T wouldn't block GPS Sep 21 06:38:05 Verizon used to suck even more than now Sep 21 06:38:15 I still have an unlimited plan though Sep 21 06:38:19 lucky Sep 21 06:38:26 i have my data radio off so ATT wont stick me with a data plan Sep 21 06:38:31 Though they're going to start throttling apparently Sep 21 06:38:34 pixi is in dumbphone mode lol Sep 21 06:38:56 How is that going for you? Sep 21 06:39:01 Great thus far Sep 21 06:39:08 Is it your primary? Sep 21 06:39:10 buy a pre-paid 25$ SIM from them to activate the device Sep 21 06:39:22 stick that in for profi setup, take it out after the radio is turned off and use it radio-free Sep 21 06:39:26 Yeah, its my primary for now Sep 21 06:39:34 I kinda love it and cant stand it all at the same time Sep 21 06:39:46 Thats strange Sep 21 06:39:56 I love the keyboard much more than I thought I would Sep 21 06:40:11 Love the WebOS deal, love the contacts stuff, love the multitasking design Sep 21 06:40:32 hate the balls slowness, hate having the data radio off (can't send/recieve MMS now, and don't even get notifications they arrived) Sep 21 06:40:59 hate lack of dedicated camera button a LOT Sep 21 06:41:10 hate lack of dedicated call function buttons Sep 21 06:41:22 its more a toy than a phone without hard send/end buttons IMO Sep 21 06:41:40 much like the iPhone in that respect ;) Sep 21 06:41:52 I really just want to go back to my samsung dumbphone and use Pixi+ as my wifi toy again Sep 21 06:42:00 Don't get me started on iPhone Sep 21 06:42:03 but I can't find a dumbphone that meets my criteria at present Sep 21 06:42:04 So why not? Sep 21 06:42:06 ifail Sep 21 06:42:10 On AT&T? Sep 21 06:42:13 or unlocked Sep 21 06:42:16 Or unlocked? Sep 21 06:42:31 most of the World ones lack the 3G radios, and as such, samsung doesn't put in their "3g button/multitask button" Sep 21 06:42:35 and I LOVE that feature Sep 21 06:42:49 No such thing as a decent dumbphone anymore I think Sep 21 06:42:52 I have the Solid Extreme right now sitting in a box Sep 21 06:43:03 it'd be perfect with hardware camera, clear key, and multitask key Sep 21 06:43:17 The Blue Earth is tempting, love the solar cell on it Sep 21 06:43:21 * rwhitby notes that #webos-general exists for offtopic discussion Sep 21 06:43:25 whoops Sep 21 06:43:42 it was a tangent on a relevant topic :P Sep 21 06:43:47 back to pixi Sep 21 06:43:52 Yes Sep 21 06:43:58 have the touchstone cover yet? Sep 21 06:44:00 Patches that are smart to install Sep 21 06:44:01 or a touchstone at all? Sep 21 06:44:05 Ordered it Sep 21 06:44:09 oh god, let me ramble some off Sep 21 06:44:10 Its shipped Sep 21 06:44:22 lol Sep 21 06:44:29 naice Sep 21 06:44:34 Touchstone was more expensive than the cover Sep 21 06:44:36 crap, I've lost my installed list Sep 21 06:44:38 I mean the opposite Sep 21 06:44:40 How? Sep 21 06:44:41 right now only 8 are showing Sep 21 06:44:58 I had to devmode it then re-login after messing about on my pre2 for a day Sep 21 06:45:06 made my patch list disappear Sep 21 06:45:18 and the tool to apparently repair that list does nothing Sep 21 06:45:44 did you happen to erase it? Sep 21 06:46:01 You have a Pre2 also? Sep 21 06:46:08 100 more autoreplace, 3000 autoreplace, add roam control to prefs, call duration in call log, enable dialpad vibration with audio, GPS Diagnostic additonal information, hold tap context menu (email), match state to area code Sep 21 06:46:27 Palm took care of erasing the device when I turned it on after logging off my pre2 Sep 21 06:46:33 I had to devmode it then re-login Sep 21 06:46:40 after that, my patch list disappeared on me Sep 21 06:46:44 it happens every time I have to do that Sep 21 06:47:24 @gunther6456, Yeah, I've a pre2 as well. Kinda meh about it. Fast, but I rather dislike its physical design and I really hate two small behavior changes in webos 2.x Sep 21 06:47:37 gunther6456: where'd you pick up the touhcstone? Sep 21 06:47:44 amazon Sep 21 06:47:56 Ebays. It was very cheap, it also did not come with the Palm barrel for charging Sep 21 06:47:56 if you buy any more, try verizonwireless Sep 21 06:48:05 that was hard to track down Sep 21 06:48:09 I want the 2A Touchpad one Sep 21 06:48:29 I wonder if the resizefat will wipe out all the data or not? Sep 21 06:48:38 How much is at Verizon? Sep 21 06:48:49 $5 Sep 21 06:48:59 COuld've saved myself $3 Sep 21 06:49:20 the 2A touchpad chargers aren't really much on sale... so still running ~$12 or so Sep 21 06:49:54 I've the 1A one from the pre2 right now Sep 21 06:50:24 inductive charging... such win Sep 21 06:50:39 Should I raise the min frequency also? Sep 21 06:50:41 My only gripe with the touchstone back on the pixi is that I find it very slippery to hold now Sep 21 06:50:48 Nah, I let it use the full range Sep 21 06:50:53 Also governor leave at ondemand? Sep 21 06:50:54 Its mostly idling in my pocket anyway Sep 21 06:51:04 I've tried every one, MSM7k is pretty bad Sep 21 06:51:08 but it does provide better battery Sep 21 06:51:17 let me find my post on the lithiumbench thing Sep 21 06:51:22 k Sep 21 06:52:13 http://forums.precentral.net/webos-homebrew-apps/292037-lithium-benchmark-need-beta-tester.html Sep 21 06:52:19 I'm post 8, those are my setups and results Sep 21 06:52:53 * rwhitby adds potential TMC fix to UberKernel/Pre3 alpha Sep 21 06:53:21 oh, do tell Rod Sep 21 06:54:05 Saij: you're alpha testing UberKernel on the Pre 3 currently? Sep 21 06:54:20 No, I'm just interested in whats going on Sep 21 06:54:30 I'll be uberkerneling my dads touchpad when I go home for Thanksgiving Sep 21 06:54:46 Saij: are you following @webosinternals on twitter? Sep 21 06:54:59 I should be, let me check Sep 21 06:55:29 Wish I had kept my TouchPad Sep 21 06:55:39 I was not rod, thanks for the heads up Sep 21 06:55:44 what'd you do with it gunther? Sep 21 06:55:50 Returned it Sep 21 06:55:54 squandered it Sep 21 06:55:55 :P Sep 21 06:55:59 I didn't know I was going to get a pixi+ Sep 21 06:56:07 well I got it on the staples deal Sep 21 06:56:14 A 32GB for $400. Sep 21 06:56:15 Mine was a bestbuy 99$ dealie Sep 21 06:56:26 I use my TouchPad as my daily personal computer. Sep 21 06:56:40 I tried to get one of those Sep 21 06:56:45 Uber fail Sep 21 06:56:50 as was QVC Sep 21 06:56:52 I managed a 32G $149 model Sep 21 06:57:03 rough Sep 21 06:57:05 $400 is a bit steep for a TouchPad. Sep 21 06:57:08 150 rather Sep 21 06:57:10 its the 32gb Sep 21 06:57:14 Which is why I returned it Sep 21 06:57:27 * LunohoD 32gb for 99€ Sep 21 06:57:30 Before I found out HP was giving out refunds Sep 21 06:57:39 ouch Sep 21 06:57:42 But wasn't sure about Staples refunds anyways Sep 21 06:57:49 It would be nice to still have Sep 21 06:58:04 I would have loved to preware that up Sep 21 06:58:24 it's awesome loaded up with proper preware tools :) Sep 21 06:58:26 yeah, I didn't get a chance at home :C Sep 21 06:58:53 Alright, tried all the Emergency tools on the Pixi, see if it remembers all the stuff I did to it now :D Sep 21 06:59:14 Maybe I'll get a TouchPad when the next run comes out Sep 21 06:59:19 I'm supposed to be on the list Sep 21 06:59:25 Along with a lot of other people, I'm sure. Sep 21 06:59:32 Thanks Saij Sep 21 06:59:47 No prob gunther Sep 21 06:59:58 I doubt I can type all of them to you :P Sep 21 07:00:06 I have to see if there is a way to export the patch list from PreWare Sep 21 07:00:09 that'd be wicked Sep 21 07:00:22 Ah thats a problem Sep 21 07:01:01 Loving Preware Sep 21 07:01:13 PreWare is pretty godlike Sep 21 07:01:13 But how do I know if an app/patch/etc. is decent? Sep 21 07:01:19 No rating system Sep 21 07:01:23 read it, see if it makes sense Sep 21 07:01:25 Exactly my problem Sep 21 07:01:30 I've not seen too mcuh garbage Sep 21 07:01:40 but to be fair, I never really venture into the App part of Preware Sep 21 07:01:42 * rwhitby hopes everyone has given their rating for http://bit.ly/phd-ac ... Sep 21 07:01:44 mainly just patches Sep 21 07:01:51 or come in here or #touchpad and ask about people's experience. Sep 21 07:02:01 Yessir Rod, purchased, rated, reviewed Sep 21 07:02:18 I can't believe some of the negative reviews it has been getting recently with the recent influx of firesale Touchpad owners Sep 21 07:02:34 so many wai u no preware type reviews. Clearly, they didn't read the file they installed Sep 21 07:02:47 hehehe yeah Sep 21 07:03:18 I loved the one which says it's not only a waste of money but should be removed from the app catalog Sep 21 07:03:18 Most firesale TouchPad people just wanted a cheap tablet Sep 21 07:03:20 for a Browseer Sep 21 07:03:56 Truth Sep 21 07:04:23 There seem to be a number of good apps Sep 21 07:04:24 Why is it we've no other rendering engine for the brwoser apps? Does the app approval process cull anything that isn't based ont he system webkit version? Sep 21 07:04:33 in PreWare, or in general? Sep 21 07:04:37 Did your trick get you the list Saij? Sep 21 07:04:47 PreWare Sep 21 07:04:49 http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pixi-pixi-plus/280961-just-bought-pixi-plus-what-apps-good.html Sep 21 07:04:52 Not in general Sep 21 07:04:54 Saij: BTW, the 'w' is not capitalised Sep 21 07:04:57 No idea, pixi doesn't exactly wake up fast Sep 21 07:05:10 haha, I believe that is even one of the preware MOTDs Sep 21 07:05:16 * Saij hangs head in shame Sep 21 07:06:25 Hahahah Sep 21 07:07:00 No, it did not. It whittled my incomplete list of 8 patches to 1 now Sep 21 07:07:07 not the direction I was hoping to go Sep 21 07:07:46 The patches are all still there I hope? Sep 21 07:07:51 Oh yeah, they're all fine Sep 21 07:08:01 I just couldn't tell you for the life of me wtf I've installed Sep 21 07:10:55 what would it take for there to be an app in Preware that goes through the whole feed and checks to see if they're already installed? Sep 21 07:11:07 every time i redownload the patch to install it goes "hmm, this patch appears to already be installed" Sep 21 07:11:25 pretty smart, isn't it ;) Sep 21 07:11:27 Which is great, because then that shows up under the installed list. But I have to do this manually >_< Sep 21 07:11:46 Its amazingly smart, I just wish I could automate this check Sep 21 07:11:52 have you looked for the log file on the USB drive? Sep 21 07:12:17 nein Sep 21 07:12:19 looking now Sep 21 07:13:51 Any possible way for Preware to prevent device from entering USB mode and mounting? Sep 21 07:14:00 well, the mounting part, it entered fine Sep 21 07:14:08 Installed the ones you mentioned before Sep 21 07:14:15 sweet Sep 21 07:14:22 Rebooting now Sep 21 07:14:37 you dont have to do a full reboot for most of them Sep 21 07:14:42 the Luna restart works fine Sep 21 07:15:14 Ok Sep 21 07:15:24 To answer my own question, yes, if preware is open when you plug in the USB, the drive will not mount successfully Sep 21 07:15:25 apparently Sep 21 07:15:55 preware doesn't affect that Sep 21 07:16:04 Then I horribly broke something Sep 21 07:17:51 Can you think of other important patches to install? Sep 21 07:18:11 I love the Dark System Devices patch for aesthetics Sep 21 07:18:15 Also, the Glass launcher patch Sep 21 07:18:27 I use the 4x3 icons patch that keeps the little page indicator tabs Sep 21 07:18:53 I like the system menu framework patch that adds a calendar event view when you tap the time in the top bar Sep 21 07:19:03 I think I use the Device Menu Maxed out patch Sep 21 07:19:43 date, battery, brightness, media volume, system volume, phone, wifi, bluetooth, gps, flashlight, airplane mode all in there Sep 21 07:19:49 Does patching too much affect performance at all? Sep 21 07:19:49 flashlight will never work, sucks but oh well Sep 21 07:20:03 no idea, I never bothered to use it stock Sep 21 07:20:22 I assume not really, as it just modifies CSS/HTML/JS stuff Sep 21 07:20:57 there is a patch for the Reset options that adds stuff like Java Services Restart, Luna Restart, Device Restart, etc Sep 21 07:21:00 that one is amazing Sep 21 07:21:13 there is a patch to add pages to launcher, make heavy use of that Sep 21 07:21:35 there is a patch to GESTURE+TAP an installed app to call its info/delete popover Sep 21 07:21:39 very useful Sep 21 07:22:11 But again, this is how I want the device to work. You likely have a different idea of how it should work. Just go through each section in the feed and oogle them Sep 21 07:22:14 If it sounds nice, try it Sep 21 07:22:30 Trust me, I am Sep 21 07:22:35 :) Sep 21 07:22:35 I've installed other stuff already too Sep 21 07:22:46 and also skipping stuff irrelevant to me Sep 21 07:23:05 my decision to create an open end-user patching system 2 years ago instead of going with the android custom rom method seems to have paid off ;) Sep 21 07:23:18 Hell yes Rod Sep 21 07:23:35 If only there was a way to like, gray out conflicting patches before you try and install Sep 21 07:23:48 something to indicate to the user the effects of installing X patch on the system Sep 21 07:24:07 it's an exponential problem to try and detect that, and the solution space changes with every new patch added. Sep 21 07:24:12 So for instance, I've installed system menu framework. Pretty sure that is what is preventing me from installing GPS icon in top bar, no idea how to confirm Sep 21 07:24:21 Yeah, that is what I figured Sep 21 07:24:28 custom roms are cool Sep 21 07:24:33 But this is easier Sep 21 07:24:38 And far more customizable Sep 21 07:24:40 the ipkg log tells you when patch detects conflicting patches Sep 21 07:24:44 If i were smarter, I could probably just write the code in with Internalz but I'm not Sep 21 07:24:51 If only HP hadn't destroyed webOS Sep 21 07:25:43 they destroyed the devices on which webOS runs, not webOS itself (yet) Sep 21 07:25:57 fingers crossed that doesn't change Sep 21 07:26:21 How long will they support the software for? Sep 21 07:26:25 3-5 years? Sep 21 07:26:38 By that time, all the hardware will be so old and obsolete anyways Sep 21 07:29:11 wow, it finally mounted. Log time Sep 21 07:29:22 Yay Saij Sep 21 07:29:35 I have class in a few hours Sep 21 07:29:38 thought I was going to have to nuke it Sep 21 07:29:40 east coast? Sep 21 07:29:46 central time Sep 21 07:29:50 st. louis Sep 21 07:30:16 @rwhitby, found the webos-patches file. What am I looking for? Sep 21 07:31:25 that's a log of every patch installation or removal ever done on your device Sep 21 07:31:43 its massive Sep 21 07:32:14 where is it? Sep 21 07:33:10 root of the drive when its mounted Sep 21 07:39:59 Any luck Saij? Sep 21 07:40:22 The log is there yeah, but its pretty dense. I'll have to go through and manually re-install to get things right Sep 21 07:40:23 oh well Sep 21 07:40:52 grep/awk/sed or Perl is your friend Sep 21 07:41:28 Didn't like that 4x3 patch Sep 21 07:41:35 no? Sep 21 07:41:43 which one?i thik i use v5 or whatever Sep 21 07:41:46 Even though I love something similar on my Droid Sep 21 07:41:51 It just is too small Sep 21 07:42:02 Too few pixels Sep 21 07:43:20 ahh true Sep 21 07:43:29 It matches my quicklaunch, 4 icons Sep 21 07:43:51 speaking of, can i modify the size of the quicklaunch area and the launcher area? Sep 21 07:43:56 im assuming its all CSS Sep 21 07:44:22 the skin i've made makes the quicklaunch look much smaller, so i want the actual size to match the image so the launcher gets a few moer pixels space Sep 21 07:45:57 I'll figure it out Sep 21 07:46:10 Theres a ton of patches Sep 21 07:47:54 indeed there are Sep 21 07:50:53 wow Sep 21 07:51:17 what was that? Sep 21 07:51:38 way to get persistent weather in notifications/drop down menu w/battery? Sep 21 07:51:46 not that i know Sep 21 07:53:14 So many people Sep 21 07:53:23 Anyone know the answer? Sep 21 07:54:44 netsplit_ Sep 21 07:57:18 i think its beds Sep 21 07:57:20 later Sep 21 07:57:32 gn thanks Sep 21 07:57:37 seeya round Sep 21 09:56:02 I see you're currently working on the Pre3 kernel... maybe you can look into this, too (stock kernel): when charging my Pre3, the CPU runs at 1,4GHz nearly all the time... why this? that's IMHO not needed at all, it wastes energy and produces unnecessary heat... maybe this behaviour could be improved by one of the custom kernels Sep 21 10:40:34 hi Sep 21 10:41:24 anyone with a pre3 or touchpad willing to test my proxy app? Sep 21 10:55:48 does UbuntuChroot work with touchpad? Sep 21 11:11:43 using meta doctor to create a ext3 partition will cause loss of all data and customization on my touchpad? there is no such thing as resizen the usb partition? i still got lots of GB's left so would be a pity to have to loose everything because i didnt create an ext3 partition yet Sep 21 11:12:20 copystring_: what does your proxyapp do? Sep 21 11:12:32 YeahRight: you can backup your data Sep 21 11:12:51 YeahRight: have you read http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/UbuntuChroot ? Sep 21 11:13:04 I wonder if the resizefat will purge the data or not Sep 21 11:13:10 LunohoD : thanks for replying..how exactly should i backup and how can i restore? Sep 21 11:13:33 YeahRight: copy your data to the PC Sep 21 11:13:58 so for restore i should reinstall apps and then copy files back? Sep 21 11:14:07 rwhitby: i've read it and found no answer to my question Sep 21 11:14:15 YeahRight: i dunno Sep 21 11:14:28 i take it just copying files back wont mean apps are installed again Sep 21 11:14:28 LunohoD: I just added the answer to your question. Shift-refresh. Sep 21 11:14:35 YeahRight: what instructions are you following? Sep 21 11:14:52 always the webos internal pages Sep 21 11:15:06 but its not that easy if you are new to this :P Sep 21 11:15:12 Check Alternative Step 1 Sep 21 11:15:23 rwhitby: cool, thanks Sep 21 11:15:26 and many sentences seem written for palm Sep 21 11:15:53 for palm? Sep 21 11:16:10 mobile Sep 21 11:16:29 on that page? I don't think so. Sep 21 11:17:55 note that two cellular webOS devices are HP, not Palm. Sep 21 11:18:23 ok i'm new to the whole webos universe Sep 21 11:19:01 both debian chroot and ubuntu chroot should work on touchpad? Sep 21 11:19:23 yes Sep 21 11:19:47 and they can both exist without interference/trouble? Sep 21 11:19:54 yes Sep 21 11:20:00 how cool :P Sep 21 11:20:29 are you updating that wiki page with a Q&A section with your questions and my answers? Sep 21 11:20:51 i didnt make an account yet but i'll try to do some updating Sep 21 11:21:07 thank you. Sep 21 11:21:31 no thank you. This is a great channel and community. Sep 21 11:21:35 folks who update the wiki usually go to the head of the queue when it comes to answering questions ... Sep 21 11:22:04 good policy Sep 21 11:23:09 what would be a proper size for ext3 with a 32 GB touchpad using both debian chroot and ubuntu chroot ? Sep 21 11:23:35 I used 8GB on mine Sep 21 11:23:56 ok thx Sep 21 11:24:04 you can use a similar lvm resize methodology to extend it later if required Sep 21 11:24:19 hm, does each chroot need a separate ext3 partition? Sep 21 11:24:21 ah true :-) Sep 21 11:24:36 LunohoD: no Sep 21 11:24:47 optware also shares the same partition Sep 21 11:25:00 they use separate top-level directories Sep 21 11:25:01 i already have optware installed Sep 21 11:25:06 will that matter? Sep 21 11:25:08 YeahRight: me too Sep 21 11:25:24 you will want to uninstall all your optware stuff and then reinstall it after you have the new partition mounted Sep 21 11:27:48 ok clear Sep 21 11:28:04 eliasp: its an app to surf through a proxy (does that make it clear?) Sep 21 11:28:45 YeahRight: why do you want to install both ubuntu und debian? Sep 21 11:28:50 copystring_: sure, was just wondering wheter it is an app which provides a proxy (for devices connected via tethering) or an app, which configures a proxy which is then used by other applications Sep 21 11:29:44 its configuring a proxy to use with the web browser and maybe other apps Sep 21 11:42:46 LunohoD : dunno exactly..to be certain i wont miss out on certain features and/or functionality? i should add i'm no real linux expert Sep 21 12:42:06 hi all Sep 21 12:42:51 i am tring to get PDL_Log to output to /media/internal/tracking.txt as documented, but i don't have such a file Sep 21 12:43:27 i'm guessing because I have followed like a lemming and applied all the various logging patches to speed up my touchpad, i haven't got the neccasary logging enabled anymore, anyone know what I need? Sep 21 12:49:12 hey, are the preware fileservers currently down? Sep 21 12:49:20 not for me Sep 21 12:49:42 oh shit, i lied Sep 21 12:49:53 they do appear to be down from here Sep 21 12:49:56 hesus, why right now Sep 21 12:50:11 i just removed uberkernel and govnah after some testing Sep 21 12:50:15 and i thought i broke my system ;D Sep 21 12:50:38 are you on a touchpad? Sep 21 12:50:56 yeah, why? Sep 21 12:51:12 just curious as to why you were removing them, as i run uberkernel Sep 21 12:51:54 i just wanted to compare the battery consumption of uberkernel with F4 Sep 21 12:52:39 i haven't run any other kernels, i've been happy with uber - not that i've really done anything. Sep 21 12:53:23 i have the feeling there isnt much difference between 1,5ghz and 1,8ghz anyway Sep 21 12:53:28 * traycer looks around and waves Sep 21 12:54:07 i just put on ubuntu and lxde, so i might be pushing the 1.5 up sooner or later, depending on if i ever really use this Sep 21 12:54:25 hola traycer Sep 21 12:54:29 is there some guide on how to put ubuntu onto it? Sep 21 12:54:36 and how does it "feel"? Sep 21 12:54:47 Is it just me, or does ipkg.preware.org no longer resolve in DNS for others? Sep 21 12:54:57 we are seeing the same issue traycer Sep 21 12:55:18 It looks like ipkg is a CNAME to ipkg2, which in turn is a CNAME to milla.nas-admin.org. Sep 21 12:55:22 Oh, okay then. Sep 21 12:55:37 It seems to be resolving intermittently. Sep 21 12:55:39 owr: it feels snappy, actually. the touch input is very... literal though. Sep 21 12:55:43 milla.nas-admin.org has address 140.211.169.161 Sep 21 12:55:50 * traycer adds that IP to his /etc/hosts Sep 21 12:56:25 <-- just received his 32GB TP on Monday!!! Sep 21 12:56:34 It's like Christmas around here! Sep 21 12:56:52 owr: very similar to using a touchscreen i have on a desktop install. i need to find out if there is a way to optimize touch input... Sep 21 12:57:17 i just checked out a video on YT seems cool Sep 21 12:57:34 traycer: i was so lucky to get my 32G touchpad. best toy ever :P Sep 21 12:57:57 owr: the guide on the wiki is what i used Sep 21 12:58:07 can you link me? >_> Sep 21 12:59:25 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/UbuntuChroot Sep 21 13:00:19 I didn't use meta doctor, opting for the manual re-partitioning (over ssh) Sep 21 13:00:23 everything worked great Sep 21 13:00:39 Alright, adding the /etc/hosts entry allows Preware to work again. Sep 21 13:00:42 peaches, if you find _anything_ useful to make touch work more sensibly with ubuntu, i'd love to hear it Sep 21 13:01:24 Habbie: I'll be looking into it. I've got a real machine with a touch panel I'd like to fix up as well. Sep 21 13:01:31 peaches, i read that, yes :) Sep 21 13:01:49 Habbie: I forgot what I typed. heh. Sep 21 13:01:50 "better" touch plus some useful keyboard cover would make it a great laptop actually Sep 21 13:02:18 i've been eyeing the keyboard on amazon Sep 21 13:03:41 traycer: what exactly did you add to the hosts file? 140.211.169.161 pointing to ipkg.preware.org ? Sep 21 13:04:32 owr: Correct. Sep 21 13:05:13 "140.211.169.161 ipkg.preware.org" at the bottom. Sep 21 13:05:56 yeah Sep 21 13:07:44 Is there a way to quit an app or switch to another app without first having to swipe up to the card display? Sep 21 13:07:55 * traycer was hoping there would be some multitouch gestures for that Sep 21 13:12:40 thank god for that hosts hack Sep 21 13:12:41 D: Sep 21 13:14:43 thanks for that one traycer Sep 21 13:25:03 owr: Heheh, no prob. Sep 21 13:25:19 Is there an "official" place to report problems related to Preware? Sep 21 13:25:22 Like a thread somewhere? Sep 21 13:25:31 * traycer is looking around precentral.net Sep 21 13:29:06 @webosinternals on twitter is a good place Sep 21 13:29:35 the DNS is at godaddy.com, and has not changed for days. Sep 21 13:29:41 Oh, I see someone has started a thread already. Sep 21 13:29:45 http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/300191-preware-ipkg-preware-org-error.html Sep 21 13:29:52 rwhitby: Ah, cool. Sep 21 13:30:21 The actual A record is in the nas-admin.org domain, though. Sep 21 13:30:47 The serial number on the zone suggests it was updated twice today: Sep 21 13:30:49 nas-admin.org has SOA record ns49.domaincontrol.com. dns.jomax.net. 2011092102 28800 7200 604800 86400 Sep 21 13:32:08 yes, that is at OSUOSL.org Sep 21 13:36:22 rwhitby: The two authoritative servers for nas-admin.org are both still claiming that milla.nas-admin.org does not exist. Sep 21 13:36:27 (i.e., if you query them directly) Sep 21 13:36:45 traycer: thanks, I'll swap us to the backup feed server then. Sep 21 13:36:55 Cool. Sep 21 13:39:01 traycer: try now for ipkg2.preware.org, not @nas-admin.org Sep 21 13:39:24 I put the IP address directly in preware.org's DNS instead of a CNAME Sep 21 13:42:28 host ipkg.preware.org ipkg.preware.org is an alias for ipkg2.preware.org. ipkg2.preware.org has address 140.211.169.161 Sep 21 13:42:42 my server has the updated records Sep 21 13:42:47 but my homepc not, yet Sep 21 13:43:22 owr: good, that's what I expect. TTL = 30 mins Sep 21 13:45:06 Yeah, will have to wait for the TTL to expire. Sep 21 13:45:24 rwhitby: i have to correct myself, my VPN provider doesnt have the updated dns yet, my home does Sep 21 13:46:18 ;; ANSWER SECTION: ipkg.preware.org. 1716 IN CNAME ipkg2.preware.org. Sep 21 13:46:24 Argh, still 1700 seconds to go here! ;-) Sep 21 13:46:48 ;; ANSWER SECTION: ipkg2.preware.org. 195 IN CNAME milla.nas-admin.org. Sep 21 13:46:50 Er, wrong record. Sep 21 13:46:52 195 seconds. Sep 21 13:46:54 * traycer waits Sep 21 13:47:58 Oh cool its a DNS error Sep 21 13:48:06 not just me phone being lame =) Sep 21 13:48:22 * RichT23_ isnt just setting up his new Pre3 HonisT Sep 21 13:52:24 hm this channel seems to be a cool place, should get my bnc into here Sep 21 13:52:55 humm com.palm.app.firstuse is just the gesture util and isnt letting me create a palm profile Sep 21 13:53:26 Rich: Yeah, rwhitby just flipped the DNS over to the backup server, but it might take a while for everyone to see the change. Sep 21 13:54:01 ya DNS is fun fun fun Sep 21 13:54:14 * RichT23_ might manage a little bit of dns ;) Sep 21 13:54:16 traycer: actually it's still pointing at the same server, just directly now instead of through nas-admin.org DNS Sep 21 13:54:34 Ah, true. Sep 21 13:54:44 i could go hack my hosts file ofcourse ;) Sep 21 13:54:53 That's what I did in the meantime. Sep 21 13:55:08 There we go... updated on my resolver now. Sep 21 13:55:12 just don't forget to unhack it before the next time we have a scheduled swap to the backup server. Sep 21 13:55:14 * traycer removes the hosts file entry Sep 21 13:55:43 Man, I panicked this morning when I saw that error. Sep 21 13:56:01 After the news of the layoffs at HP, I thought that resulted in the domain being yanked, etc. Sep 21 13:56:10 And I just received my TP two days ago... Sep 21 13:56:39 nothing about webos-internals.org or preware.org has any dependency on HP Sep 21 13:56:45 Thank god! Sep 21 13:57:00 I was in Best Buy yesterday looking for a sleeve. Sep 21 13:57:14 Since the TP has virtually the same exact dimensions as an iPad, I went over to the Apple section. Sep 21 13:57:22 There were six customers in total in that aisle. Sep 21 13:57:31 and all of the infrastructure is open source, so anyone could replicate it elsewhere if ever all of our team gets hit by globally-dispersed buses. Sep 21 13:57:32 It turns out only one was an actual iPad owner. Sep 21 13:57:37 The other five had TPs. ;-) Sep 21 13:57:58 One woman snagged three of them. Sep 21 14:00:18 * rwhitby bbt Sep 21 14:01:56 my bnc ;p Sep 21 14:02:39 BNC? Sep 21 14:02:59 irc bouncer Sep 21 14:03:00 One of my old Sun monitors had BNC connectors, but I fail to see how that relates to this discussion. ;-) Sep 21 14:03:06 Oooooh... Sep 21 14:04:45 irssi in screen ftw Sep 21 14:04:53 I use znc, but I'm not entirely happy with it Sep 21 14:05:11 znc its pretty damn good, compared to all the other software there is Sep 21 14:05:49 * traycer is still using good ol' ircII in screen Sep 21 14:05:57 (well, except now... joined via the web interface) Sep 21 14:06:14 ircII joy! Sep 21 14:07:30 Alright, back to making breakfast! Sep 21 14:07:37 * traycer just joined to report the ipkg.preware.org problem Sep 21 14:08:15 15:07pm up 1203 days 20:20, 22 users, load average: 0.05, 0.03, 0.03 Sep 21 14:08:37 and you chose bnc over it because... ? :) (I've been thinking of trying something new) Sep 21 14:09:31 owa, ^ Sep 21 14:10:38 RagingMind you mean why i choose znc over the other software? Sep 21 14:11:07 you said you have bnc Sep 21 14:16:37 i have A bnc, which runs on znc Sep 21 14:19:17 anyone interested in testing my proxy app? a pre3 or touchpad is required Sep 21 14:19:35 what does it do? Sep 21 14:20:08 connects to a proxy from work etc so you can use their wifi Sep 21 14:22:13 bnc is also the name of a bouncer Sep 21 14:23:26 copystring_ isnt that basically the vpn app? Sep 21 14:23:34 no Sep 21 14:25:16 webos has in 2.2.x and 3.0.x kind of proxy support just no gui for it. I made a gui for it Sep 21 14:30:11 kind of proxy? Sep 21 14:31:11 it works for the default browser but not the email client for example Sep 21 14:31:51 hmmm interesting Sep 21 14:32:25 id prefer vpn then, still Sep 21 14:32:29 since its encrypted Sep 21 14:32:31 and a socks5 isnt Sep 21 14:33:37 well I've made this for a different purpose than encryption Sep 21 14:34:09 many people need to set a proxy to use the works' wifi Sep 21 14:44:37 hi there. I can't reach ipkg.preware.org . Is it down or is it my fault? Sep 21 14:45:20 seems to be up for me Sep 21 14:45:32 there are issues, I think they were resolved but it's taking a bit for the DNS stuff to propogate Sep 21 14:45:38 *were Sep 21 14:46:41 dasarne you can try flushing your dns if you are on windows Sep 21 14:47:44 Ok, sorry for that. With flashing my caching-DNS erverything works fine again! Sep 21 14:47:55 Thanks for the support. Sep 21 14:50:49 does anyone know of a good RSS app btw? the ones i looked at so far Sep 21 14:51:00 werent really convincing me Sep 21 15:11:16 owa, for TP or a phone? Sep 21 15:11:41 it runs on my server Sep 21 15:11:43 and i use it with mirc Sep 21 15:11:48 but one could possibly also connect to it Sep 21 15:11:50 with wirc Sep 21 15:11:52 from TP Sep 21 15:12:21 owa: re RSS app: for Google Reader? Sep 21 15:12:24 owa, I mean for your RSS Sep 21 15:12:28 haha sorry Sep 21 15:12:39 id need it for tp Sep 21 15:12:47 PatrickC, not everyone uses Google Reader :P Sep 21 15:12:47 I use Google Reader, and therefore use NomNomNom :) Sep 21 15:13:05 RagingMind: which is why asked if that's what he uses :P Sep 21 15:13:14 but for a good app on the touchpad I wound up giving in and using google reader so that I can use NomNomNom Sep 21 15:13:34 PatrickC, generally if people say RSS, they mean raw rss feeds. Sep 21 15:13:41 I wish newsroom had a TP version Sep 21 15:13:54 i think i downloaded a rss app from the german store once Sep 21 15:14:04 with was far superior than anything i have seen so far Sep 21 15:14:16 but the us store doesnt seem to have it, is that possible? Sep 21 15:14:29 yep Sep 21 15:14:40 hmmm any way to browse the .DE store without making a new profile? Sep 21 15:14:50 just like a US app can not be in the German store, it can happen vice-versa Sep 21 15:14:56 ugh Sep 21 15:14:59 this is so annoying Sep 21 15:15:04 if you have the appid, and the app is free, its easy to get Sep 21 15:15:15 dont have the id but yes its free Sep 21 15:15:49 well, if you can manage to get the appid you can use Impostah to download it regardless of country Sep 21 15:15:58 as long as its for the same device/OS version Sep 21 15:16:12 yeah i heard about impostah Sep 21 15:16:21 Impostah is awesome Sep 21 15:16:21 but is there some way to browse the store from another country? Sep 21 15:16:25 yeah Sep 21 15:16:31 hmm... not afaik Sep 21 15:17:34 yes it's possible. if you know the app id, you can drop it into the web interface and see Sep 21 15:17:53 what countries it's restricted to Sep 21 15:18:20 dwc-: he doesn't know the appid or he would just use Impostah Sep 21 15:45:01 hello Sep 21 15:45:14 hmm, where are files stored Sep 21 15:45:21 if they are in "My TouchPad" ? Sep 21 15:45:28 i need help Sep 21 15:45:41 plz Sep 21 15:45:46 any one Sep 21 15:46:53 kiko_ ask the question Sep 21 15:47:18 i have a problem in my palm pre plus Sep 21 15:47:52 go on... Sep 21 15:47:52 lol Sep 21 15:48:27 my screen shows a phone error( your phone is experiencing an error that cannot be resolved) Sep 21 15:48:53 nothing work Sep 21 15:50:31 what can i do? Sep 21 15:51:48 is there a solution Sep 21 15:53:41 doctor it? Sep 21 16:49:28 Hey.. Where's the xorg.conf for the XServer from Preware? Sep 21 16:50:00 http://thisismynext.com/2011/09/21/hp-firing-ceo-leo-apotheker-bloomberg/ Sep 21 16:50:06 Or more generally, where does stuff like that go into when you install it from preware Sep 21 16:50:11 touchpad might gain more life... we'll see, eh? Sep 21 16:50:25 they just fired over 500 people from the webOS GBU Sep 21 16:50:25 yeah I don't get that Sep 21 16:50:38 I think they'd have a hard time being like "oh wait, just kidding" Sep 21 16:50:43 they should have blocked his changes if they think they are so bad Sep 21 16:51:00 I would guess they don't actually have that power Sep 21 16:51:12 I would say they do Sep 21 16:51:15 let him screw everything up and _then_ fire him? seems wrong Sep 21 16:51:43 I wonder how many tens of millions he gets in his golden parachute Sep 21 16:52:03 the board doesn't usually have direct administrative control over the company Sep 21 16:52:14 unless I misunderstand how board of directors works in industry Sep 21 16:52:37 I'm pretty sure getting fired if you aren't doing a good job is control enough Sep 21 16:52:59 well, right Sep 21 16:53:17 but how would they block his changes prior to him making them? Sep 21 16:54:38 Guess it depends on the bylaws that are set for them Sep 21 16:54:46 granted Sep 21 16:55:03 I thought the board had to agree on changes of that magnitude Sep 21 16:55:22 You would think they would have say on big changes and purchases Sep 21 16:55:34 Cant just go throwing a few billion without any approval Sep 21 16:55:52 he's essentially changing the company in a fundamental way Sep 21 16:58:59 hmm... I need to SSH into my server from webOS, but the server isn't on my local wifi network, suggestions? Sep 21 16:59:28 Assuming you can access the internet from the device, what's the problem? Sep 21 16:59:49 OpenSSH says "via wifi only" Sep 21 16:59:57 or does that mean no access over 3G? Sep 21 17:00:16 that. Sep 21 17:00:22 I think you need to open the firewall for that Sep 21 17:00:31 zomg_: there is probably no xorg.conf at all... most modern desktop distributions don't ship a default xorg.conf anymore, because X.org became quite good at autodetecting all needed things... maybe that's the case here, too Sep 21 17:00:36 ok cool Sep 21 17:00:45 I finally got a server with ssh access :) Sep 21 17:00:54 so time to set up a bouncer Sep 21 17:01:03 It would seem weird to me that openssh would block you from using the ssh client as you like Sep 21 17:01:13 At least I'd assume the restrictions apply to the server only Sep 21 17:01:31 eliasp: ah I see, that could indeed be the case Sep 21 17:02:04 Just wanted to see if I could get glx running via software rendering, although it would probably be painfully slow Sep 21 17:02:07 just for fun though =) Sep 21 17:02:10 only restriction I know of is some carriers block some ports. for example, vzw blocks 22 so you can't ssh into your device over 3g Sep 21 17:03:02 right, the restrictions are on the device/network Sep 21 17:03:32 so the packaged openssh defaults to something sane Sep 21 17:03:43 well he was trying to access a server from from the device, not *on* the device Sep 21 17:03:49 so as far as I know it should work out of the box Sep 21 17:04:12 yes, I believe that's true Sep 21 17:04:42 guh, I don't want to pay to unlock my veer :-/ Sep 21 17:04:59 summatusmentis, talk to GFN on P|C :) Sep 21 17:05:09 oh? Sep 21 17:07:42 If I had my veer, Id also not want to pay Sep 21 17:08:33 With my luck they lost it Sep 21 17:08:33 lol Sep 21 17:13:33 I have lots of issues with SSH on my TouchPad, I can get in but there's huge lag spikes, and the server doesn't seem to be running all the time when on the touchstone. Sep 21 17:13:38 it's weird and annoying Sep 21 17:22:59 DiStaula: join the club. Sep 21 17:23:11 it's some sort of wifi power saving feature Sep 21 17:23:55 only thing that seems to work is plugging the tp into the charger Sep 21 17:24:14 one would think powerd would have same behavior on touchstone, but it doesn't Sep 21 17:26:48 Figured as much Sep 21 17:29:28 if you look at the messages log, you can see the wifi going into WoW (wake on wifi) mode Sep 21 17:30:00 it's a feature of the wifi chip where it stays powered and when it gets packets it wakes the pcocessor Sep 21 17:30:15 I imagine that explains the high latencies Sep 21 17:31:35 Is there a way around it at the moment? Sep 21 17:32:17 other than plugging the tp into the charger, I don't know Sep 21 17:34:05 even if you manually set things in /sys, powerd comes along behind you and changes things back Sep 21 17:36:43 unfortunately, killing powerd is not a good option Sep 21 17:36:47 it controls too much stuff Sep 21 17:40:01 linuxjacques, what do you change in /sys ? Sep 21 17:40:53 wrea: I haven't looked specifically for the wifi issue. when I was manually onlining the second cpu core, powerd would offline it after a few seconds Sep 21 17:41:30 I'm just assuming the wifi power saving would be controllable in /sys Sep 21 17:41:30 maybe /sys/module/pm_8x60/modes/cpu0/wfi/idle_disabled? Sep 21 17:41:54 theres cpu1 you'd have to set too Sep 21 17:42:12 hmm, that doesn't look quite right. wfi isn't same as wifi Sep 21 17:42:21 unless that's a typo Sep 21 17:42:35 yeah...I'm still half asleep. not a typo Sep 21 17:42:35 WFI is an instruction Sep 21 17:42:36 :P Sep 21 17:42:46 uNiXpSyChO: yeah I thought I remembered that Sep 21 17:43:04 I kept seeing it as wfi and even after i typed i still didnt notice Sep 21 17:43:34 maybe something under /sys/module/ar6000 (or whatever it is, I don;t have my tp with me) Sep 21 17:45:39 maybe the wifi module could be hacked to not go into WoW mode Sep 21 17:46:43 hmm.. ssh doesn't seem to like me Sep 21 17:47:56 you're doing it wrong Sep 21 17:48:37 summatusmentis: I ran 'ssh myipaddress' Sep 21 17:48:50 and 'ssh awesomea@samwise.freecpanelhost.co' Sep 21 17:49:00 server times out on port 22 on both Sep 21 17:49:26 telnet samwise.freecpanelhost.co 22 Sep 21 17:49:26 Trying 173.199.156.136... Sep 21 17:49:26 telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused Sep 21 17:49:32 shouldn't be getting a timeout :P Sep 21 17:49:36 lol Sep 21 17:49:40 I got that 1 time Sep 21 17:49:45 but not again Sep 21 17:49:58 I never got the "Trying 173.199.156.136" though Sep 21 17:50:14 do I need to include '22' at the end? lol Sep 21 17:50:16 on the touchpad Sep 21 17:50:22 with telnet? yes. with ssh? no Sep 21 17:50:31 PatrickC: try it with ssh -v Sep 21 17:50:43 I think that was the verbose option which outputs debug info Sep 21 17:50:44 zomg_: ok. 1 second Sep 21 17:50:52 I would say samwise.freecpanelhost.co is not listening on power 22 Sep 21 17:50:54 port Sep 21 17:51:13 PatrickC: stupid question, do you have an ssh server running on the box you're trying to ssh into? Sep 21 17:51:23 yes Sep 21 17:51:32 I had my ssh keys on it too Sep 21 17:51:37 but they just changed Sep 21 17:51:43 lemme fix that Sep 21 17:51:57 PatrickC: can you ssh to it from a pc? Sep 21 17:52:05 linuxjacques: not sure Sep 21 17:52:11 not near a PC right now Sep 21 17:54:35 zomg_: ssh -v does nothing Sep 21 17:55:31 you need to do ssh -v user@host Sep 21 17:55:35 not just ssh -v alone Sep 21 17:56:11 connection refused Sep 21 17:56:17 on port 22 Sep 21 17:56:23 hehe Sep 21 17:56:25 Yeah I'd say there is nothing listening on the port then Sep 21 17:56:30 Or it's blocked by the server's firewahll Sep 21 17:56:33 -h Sep 21 17:56:52 firewall would cause a timeout, no? Sep 21 17:57:03 hmm.. should I download the keys my server generated and try those? Sep 21 17:57:22 linuxjacques: depends on how it's set up I think Sep 21 17:57:25 illegal option -h Sep 21 17:57:34 -vvv ftw Sep 21 17:58:45 It should at the very least acknowledge the connection if there actually was something listening on the port Sep 21 17:59:46 I'll open a support ticket with them Sep 21 17:59:48 can you check if port 22 is actuly open on the server Sep 21 17:59:50 thanks for the help Sep 21 17:59:56 RichT23: no clue how Sep 21 18:00:02 maybe a netstat -plant | grep 22 Sep 21 18:00:11 that is, if you can login to the server Sep 21 18:00:28 It sounds a bit weird that a free cpanel hosting provider would actually grant ssh access :P Sep 21 18:00:54 oh no netstat on webos! Sep 21 18:01:20 The server isn't webos though Sep 21 18:01:23 Oh its a cpanel hosting provider Sep 21 18:01:39 ya i dount they would offer ssh access Sep 21 18:01:57 Yeah, never heard of the cheap ones giving ssh, so a free one giving ssh sounds pretty odd Sep 21 18:02:28 PatrickC: what are you trying to do with the server? Sep 21 18:02:37 RichT23: set up a bouncer Sep 21 18:02:43 i seee Sep 21 18:02:56 oh you have no chance then ;) Sep 21 18:02:59 It doesn't actually say you can do that on their website Sep 21 18:03:13 that need a "background process" and such Sep 21 18:03:30 zomg_: sign up (only takes a second) and take a look Sep 21 18:03:42 PatrickC: is this just for you irc access? Sep 21 18:03:46 yeah Sep 21 18:03:54 so I can always be on :) Sep 21 18:04:02 wirc like to ghost disconnect a lit Sep 21 18:04:03 lot* Sep 21 18:04:08 =) Sep 21 18:05:01 No mention of SSH anywhere on that site Sep 21 18:05:10 id offer an account on my home box it stays up a lot but not sure how much you would want a bounser in the uk Sep 21 18:05:11 Can't really be bothered to register to just check something like that Sep 21 18:05:12 Hiya Sep 21 18:05:16 I think Dreamhost shared hosting has SSH access and it should be pretty cheap too Sep 21 18:05:46 Probably not as cheap as 0.00 like that one is though :P Sep 21 18:05:49 it all depends if they allow "background proces" too Sep 21 18:05:55 RichT23: I don't care if its in the UK :) Sep 21 18:06:20 PatrickC: what bouncer software were you going to use? Sep 21 18:06:33 ZNC/BNC Sep 21 18:06:38 whatever was easier for me to set up :P Sep 21 18:06:45 I run this one on my Linode VPS which is 20 USD / month Sep 21 18:06:45 hehe Sep 21 18:06:53 ...I don't really do anything else with it Sep 21 18:06:54 just picked up a Pr3 at the post office, is there any drawback using Impostah for activation so that I should wait a few weeks until I travel to the UK and activate while there using UK sim? Sep 21 18:06:54 :P Sep 21 18:07:22 ill see if there is a Solaris build i can install Sep 21 18:07:27 Andreas__: not that I know if Sep 21 18:07:33 RichT23: awesome! thanks! Sep 21 18:07:53 Andreas__ I would suggest just activating it with the US appcatalog. More apps. Sep 21 18:08:21 Not sure I can get a US credit card, any virtuals? Sep 21 18:08:22 halfhalo: which he would use Impostah for Sep 21 18:10:29 Andreas__ there should be a link to a card that will work on the webos-internals wiki related to using impostah for this Sep 21 18:11:57 halfhalo: many thanks, ive signed up for wirecard.com but if there is a US one I guess thats better. Sep 21 18:45:39 can someone tell me what is preware? Newbee... Sep 21 18:46:26 preware.org Sep 21 18:46:27 Sort of an installer for homebrew apps Sep 21 18:46:29 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware Sep 21 18:46:47 what summatusmentis said Sep 21 18:46:57 * PatrickC didn't have that link handy Sep 21 18:48:05 Now..what is homebrew apps? Sep 21 18:48:17 are they any different from the apps available fromthe app store via HP? Sep 21 18:48:33 yes Sep 21 18:49:16 I guess you could think of it as sort of an alternative app store, which has apps which can do a few more things than the stuff on the official HP catalog Sep 21 18:49:38 who maintains these apps though? Sep 21 18:49:44 Sam_: you should spend some time reading through webos-internals.org Sep 21 18:49:58 Thanks for the link....installing preware seems a bit tricky...I don't want to brick it Sep 21 18:50:03 Generally the people who wrote them or the community Sep 21 18:50:11 It's pretty straightforward to install at least using webos quick install Sep 21 18:50:33 But as said the website has a lot of useful info Sep 21 18:51:23 gotcha..so recommended is WebOS quick install Sep 21 18:51:26 Thanks guys Sep 21 18:51:48 This I thought was cool: http://forums.precentral.net/hp-touchpad/298832-1001-ways-use-touchpad.html Sep 21 18:51:51 Sam_: webos is almost unbrickable :) Sep 21 18:52:10 it's a such a shame it's being killed Sep 21 18:52:14 !@#@#$$% Sep 21 18:52:21 maybe the new ceo will change direction Sep 21 18:52:38 hopefully Sep 21 18:54:33 "52. Showing off!?" Sep 21 18:54:34 Heh Sep 21 18:54:38 yeah... Sep 21 18:54:39 there is no new CEO.... Sep 21 18:54:42 That it works for nicely Sep 21 18:54:46 howdy Sep 21 18:54:53 sheesh, one rumor and already people are thinking the guy's gone and a new person hired Sep 21 18:54:56 My Apple-fanboy coworkers were very curious about the Ubuntu chroot on my TouchPad Sep 21 18:54:59 =) Sep 21 18:55:04 "How on earth does it do that?" Sep 21 18:55:54 Ubuntu on touch pad....hmmm... Sep 21 18:56:09 Runs in a card Sep 21 18:56:12 I thought there were some buch of guys trying to port android Sep 21 18:56:25 "96. I have friends in Japan and use Translator HD & Spaz to Tweet in Japanese." Sep 21 18:56:26 what's the story on 'make backup' in metadoctor? It just sits there for me.. Sep 21 18:56:26 hi ajay Sep 21 18:56:28 there are Sep 21 18:56:35 tweet in japanese... been there, tried that, didn't work Sep 21 18:56:42 There are but there's no reason to until ICS comes out Sep 21 18:56:45 wrea: hi! Sep 21 18:56:51 It'd be dumb to run a phone OS on the touchpad Sep 21 18:57:04 I want webos 3.0 for veer :( Sep 21 18:57:27 divStar: heh Sep 21 18:57:29 DiStaula, if they use a version of Android for Tablets then its not dumb. Sep 21 18:57:42 Right, but Honeycomb won't have the source released Sep 21 18:58:28 Ice Cream Sandwich is merging the two codbases though Sep 21 18:58:44 * ka6sox doesn't know...he uses Angstrom and webOS. Sep 21 18:59:06 what do you use Angstrom on? Sep 21 18:59:21 * summatusmentis used to run Angstrom on his Zaurus SL-C3200 Sep 21 18:59:30 summatusmentis, working on it for TP. Sep 21 18:59:40 oh, neat Sep 21 18:59:57 can I ask why? Sep 21 19:00:02 I'm waiting for someone to figure out glx so I can run minecraft in ubuntu Sep 21 19:00:05 =) Sep 21 19:00:06 (note: "why not" is a valid reason) Sep 21 19:00:26 I tried to figure it out but I'm not enough of a linux nerd to understand how to get even software glx Sep 21 19:00:36 summatusmentis, its lightweight and works well standalone or as a chroot. Sep 21 19:01:03 it's package sitch is significantly lower than debian/ubuntu though, right? Sep 21 19:01:09 yes Sep 21 19:01:19 but has the essential things needed Sep 21 19:01:29 I need to create a new target for narcissus Sep 21 19:03:24 Can you size and color the xterm on the touchpad? Sep 21 19:04:05 All I want is a card with a 80x24 SSH session Sep 21 19:04:15 colored Sep 21 19:04:26 use Tweaks Sep 21 19:04:29 DiStaula, tweaks! Sep 21 19:04:38 hey ka6sox Sep 21 19:04:47 morning Sep 21 19:04:49 I'll look into that Sep 21 19:04:56 DiStaula: serious..! Sep 21 19:06:27 So am I going to have to color it or will it be a color term? Sep 21 19:06:43 color terms iirc Sep 21 19:07:23 awesome, left it at home but I'll check it out tonight Sep 21 19:07:48 summatusmentis, ubuntu/debian have a lot of packages that make NO sense on a Touchpad.. Sep 21 19:08:14 ka6sox: well, sure, but they've also got a fair amount that might be nice Sep 21 19:08:25 true... Sep 21 19:08:38 I was just curious Sep 21 19:08:40 no big Sep 21 19:08:53 I guess it depends on whether you want something thats optimized for small platform or something that was shrunk from large. Sep 21 19:08:58 what was the ondevice lvm tool called that wosi was making? Sep 21 19:09:10 Tailor Sep 21 19:09:25 thanks Sep 21 19:09:37 Coupled with a BT keyboard, not much different from using Ubuntu on a netbook. Sep 21 19:09:39 ka6sox: sure, that makes sense Sep 21 19:09:42 but thats not even Alpha Sep 21 19:10:00 hey. new update :) Sep 21 19:10:16 ka6sox: so it shouldn't be run by any? Sep 21 19:10:52 PatrickC if its not in at least alpha it should be considered non-working Sep 21 19:11:04 ok noted Sep 21 19:12:02 ka6sox: what is webos internals running to have a git repo on their server? gitorious? Sep 21 19:12:06 mberg, netbook x86 != TP+BT on ARM. Sep 21 19:12:30 Not necessarily in terms of processing power, but in terms of form factor. Sep 21 19:12:30 gitorious is just the web frontend Sep 21 19:12:35 PatrickC git Sep 21 19:12:52 ka6sox: I couldn't find a version of git that you could run on your server Sep 21 19:12:56 I'll keep looking thanks Sep 21 19:13:10 mberg, its not a processing power issue...its an architecture and software support issue. Sep 21 19:13:19 PatrickC: it's not a "git server" exactly Sep 21 19:13:25 you basically setup a git repo Sep 21 19:13:35 I think most git "servers" require shell access (eg. they are just front ends) Sep 21 19:13:44 we do run the daemon. Sep 21 19:13:57 ah Sep 21 19:13:58 There's also ARM netbooks Sep 21 19:13:59 zomg_, nope Sep 21 19:14:05 PatrickC: i'd always recommend hosting git repos over ssh Sep 21 19:14:09 I didn't realize there was a daemon, I stand corrected Sep 21 19:14:19 you can use the same ssh account for all of them and restrict it to only allow git access Sep 21 19:14:19 Well git-daemon is different or whatever it was called Sep 21 19:14:33 but at least with gitorious you need to set up the repos etc. Sep 21 19:14:35 PatrickC: search for gitosis or gitolite Sep 21 19:14:40 w/ shell access Sep 21 19:14:46 stbuehler: well.. my server says they have ssh.. but it doesn't seem like they listen for port 22 Sep 21 19:14:47 we use gitolite Sep 21 19:14:58 shell access not required EVER.... Sep 21 19:15:04 or I wouldnt' run it Sep 21 19:15:05 zomg_: git-daemon is only for read-only access (still useful ofc) Sep 21 19:15:29 uses ssh keys however for write access. Sep 21 19:15:36 PatrickC: well, i don't run my ssh servers on port 22 either :) Sep 21 19:15:45 stbuehler: lol Sep 21 19:16:05 I'm used to compiling software as needed. :) But my point was more that in terms of screen real estate + typing, it's not particularly unsuited for UIs designed for traditional computers. Sep 21 19:16:34 PatrickC if you don't understand it...use GitHub...solves the problem. Sep 21 19:16:48 yeah, github is fine for opensource projects Sep 21 19:16:50 ka6sox: reading the gitolite wiki Sep 21 19:16:55 provides everything you need Sep 21 19:17:08 (At least works well enough next conference I go to, the laptop stays in the hotel room and the Touchpad comes to the sessions.) Sep 21 19:17:31 mberg, yes, the TP and other pads have more cpu/memory/video that bring them on par with a netbook. Sep 21 19:18:26 but to equate a correctly done netbook distro on x86 with what has been done for distros so far on ARM is not accurate imho. Sep 21 19:18:53 especially in proprietary media formats. Sep 21 19:19:24 gitolite seems too complicated Sep 21 19:19:29 sticking with github... Sep 21 19:21:24 that being said.... Sep 21 19:21:35 I use the TP 80% of the time.... Sep 21 19:21:46 and even directly develop on the TP. Sep 21 19:21:58 ka6sox: using? TIDE? Sep 21 19:22:03 gross Sep 21 19:22:08 yup...Tide...love it Sep 21 19:22:12 Oh, certainly not. Getting media playback optimized for ARM platforms and the plethora of chipsets out there is a non-trivial problem. Sep 21 19:22:29 mberg, agreed Sep 21 19:22:41 my roomate thought i had an app for laundry detergent when he first saw the icon on mine haha Sep 21 19:23:08 my choice of using angstrom as a platform is based upon its ARM beginnings and the fact that its a mature embedded distro. Sep 21 19:23:34 * PatrickC was working on build scripts for TIDE... but stopped Sep 21 19:23:49 Hrm.. TIDE you say? I haven't seen that yet. Sep 21 19:24:05 mberg, comes from ACE Sep 21 19:24:11 its in preware Sep 21 19:25:16 tide/xterm is what I use. Sep 21 19:26:38 can anyone recomend a decent browser for webos? Sep 21 19:26:39 xterm? why? Sep 21 19:26:43 the bundled one is not too fancy Sep 21 19:27:06 and I can open gmail, but it wont let me open any mail to read it...it just sits there with me tapping furiously at the screen Sep 21 19:27:07 Advanced Browser Sep 21 19:27:11 frustrating Sep 21 19:27:42 Is tht the firefox beta someone was mentioning about or extension to the bundled browser? Sep 21 19:27:59 O_o Sep 21 19:28:02 Firefox for webOS? Sep 21 19:28:07 don't run it Sep 21 19:28:12 Does it let you change the agent string at all? Sep 21 19:28:13 its very alpha and buggy Sep 21 19:28:17 to force mobile sites? Sep 21 19:28:19 Well, you could put the ubuntu thingy on it Sep 21 19:28:24 then you can run CHromium :P Sep 21 19:28:32 I want to use the iPad version of Google Music so bad Sep 21 19:28:57 DiStaula: I think it was hackable by patching some file Sep 21 19:29:04 zomg_, I use chromium directly as an XApp from xecutah Sep 21 19:29:34 ka6sox: oh? any links on how to set it up to be launchable from xecutah? Or is it just directly on Preware? Sep 21 19:29:35 I think that does it universally though, meaning all other sites will be 'ipad' versions and flash free Sep 21 19:29:41 ka6sox: umm.. you mean you run it in Ubuntu/Debian chroot, right? Sep 21 19:30:25 zomg_, if I can keep this fever down enough today I'll be publishing alphas of xchat, chromium and libreoffice. Sep 21 19:30:39 AWESOME! Sep 21 19:30:49 * PatrickC gets ready to download over the next few days Sep 21 19:31:04 ka6sox: rest. the alpha's an wait... Sep 21 19:31:07 can* Sep 21 19:31:12 but yes, it currently uses ubuntu/debian chroots. Sep 21 19:31:31 but I am probably going to move to angstrom as a base..much smaller. Sep 21 19:31:37 I wonder if adding a xorg.conf to /etc/X11 on the chroot thinger would have any effect Sep 21 19:32:02 Wanna see if I can enable software rendering for glx :P Sep 21 19:32:14 zomg_, thats called as an SDL app from webOS and not affected by anything done in the chroot iirc. Sep 21 19:32:40 but I am not an X11 guy so I could be wrong. Sep 21 19:32:51 No idea, I'm probably even less of an X11 guy than you are :P Sep 21 19:33:08 All I know is that if I type glxinfo into terminal in lxde, it produces errors Sep 21 19:33:11 :D Sep 21 19:33:39 its probably expecting libs and stuff to be running "locally" Sep 21 19:33:51 in defined locations. Sep 21 19:34:01 as far as I can tell the glx stuff just isn't active because of lack of drivers or something Sep 21 19:34:18 okay, let me finish making this postinst/prerm idempotent and I will publish Sep 21 19:34:19 I have no idea what I'm doing so I could be wrong, but my guess was it might work with software rendering despite that Sep 21 19:34:38 Will probably be so slow it won't even run glxgears properly though Sep 21 19:34:47 but just out of curiosity :P Sep 21 19:35:13 zomg_, talk to dtzwill if you are serious about playing with X-11 stuffs. Sep 21 19:35:16 Hrm. what feed is TIDE in? I'm not seeing it. Sep 21 19:35:27 mberg, probably in beta Sep 21 19:35:44 ka6sox: I probably wouldn't be very helpful in any serious stuff regarding that since I really am mostly just googling and trying random things :D Sep 21 19:36:04 zomg_, if want to help xrandr is where its needed :D Sep 21 19:36:53 See I don't even know what that is... =) Sep 21 19:37:16 allows you to switch orientations and resize the screen...on the fly. Sep 21 19:37:26 Ah Sep 21 19:37:31 Ah, see the page on the new alpha/beta testing feeds. Think I still have the old testing feeds configured. Sep 21 19:37:39 right Sep 21 19:37:42 mberg, yup Sep 21 19:37:46 Funnily enough, the xrandr homepage under x.org tells absolutely nothing about what it does :P Sep 21 19:37:52 figures Sep 21 19:37:58 lol Sep 21 19:54:44 hi, my flatmate is using my touchpad sat on the couch, I have an ssh command line to it. Is there anything funny I can do to mess with him. He is non-technical. Sep 21 19:55:51 I assume something non-destructive. Sep 21 19:55:56 Suppose you could try killing apps or something but can't really think of anything else besides that Sep 21 19:56:00 does tellbootie work over Ssk? Sep 21 19:56:02 SSH* Sep 21 19:56:18 would be easy on OS X... just use "say", but I doubt that exists on webOS =) Sep 21 19:57:36 tellbootie is fun :) Sep 21 19:57:40 rebooting or putting it into recovery is mean. Sep 21 19:58:05 its not destructive though Sep 21 19:58:18 I didn't say recovery mode.. *that* would be mean Sep 21 19:58:30 You could use luna-send to mess with the settings Sep 21 19:58:35 Put him in airplane mode or something Sep 21 19:59:01 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Luna_Send Sep 21 19:59:01 call a phone, etc. Sep 21 19:59:03 These should work Sep 21 19:59:07 luna-send is fun :) Sep 21 19:59:24 hm Sep 21 19:59:27 can you trigger a notification? Sep 21 19:59:35 not sure Sep 21 19:59:45 you can send a text from luna-send Sep 21 19:59:49 ill check out luna-send Sep 21 19:59:50 and place a call Sep 21 19:59:57 damn, hes put it down Sep 21 20:00:05 or its sleeping Sep 21 20:00:10 heh Sep 21 20:00:29 impostor! Sep 21 20:00:40 if he isn't plugged in *and* he has let it sleep then you can get booted. Sep 21 20:06:26 I need to wait for my next chance, but im going to see if i can get it to take a photo or video, from command line Sep 21 20:08:32 haha, im going to take a photo and set the background to it. Sep 21 20:12:24 You found commands to do that? Sep 21 20:14:44 PatrickC: ty, Pr3 now activated with app cat access :) Sep 21 20:19:18 AndyMillar: awesome! Sep 21 20:20:33 zomg_: not yet, but i previously took a video from the command line Sep 21 20:20:46 i will report back with my progress Sep 21 20:24:26 umm, that was in the ubuntu chroot. i need to flibber with it using native tools Sep 21 20:33:45 tolland, you can use luna-send to capture screen, maybe even to take photos, it's just a system service call Sep 21 20:34:27 HooT Sep 21 20:39:52 does telnet not work on webos? Sep 21 20:41:42 PatrickC in or out? Sep 21 20:41:42 PatrickC: I dont use telnet, its too mainstream. I pipe my commands to netcat. Sep 21 20:42:06 ka6sox: I need to telnet to a server using a specific port Sep 21 20:42:12 so out I presume? Sep 21 20:43:25 WMF Sep 21 20:43:28 WFM Sep 21 20:43:41 huh? Sep 21 20:44:39 Works For Me. Sep 21 20:44:50 what do you do? Sep 21 20:45:20 odd, can't d/l webos doctor from within palm profile, says my serial is incorrect Sep 21 20:50:33 when the TP wants the charger...it *really* wants the charger...nothing else will do. Sep 21 20:51:27 anyone know what logging optimisations i need to undo to get output from PDL_Log api call? Sep 21 20:52:00 Hrm... reminds me... I should make sure I drop a few more strong hints at wanting a touchstone for Christmas. Sep 21 21:02:21 zomg_: no xorg.conf anywhere will have any effect :) Sep 21 21:02:47 X is generally not documented very well in terms of internal things AFAICT Sep 21 21:02:55 I love my touchstone Sep 21 21:03:05 i get the feeling the attitude is a "if you want to contribute, get through the trial by fire that is understanding our code" Sep 21 21:03:07 and it works through my case Sep 21 21:03:10 so double badass Sep 21 21:03:25 although mabye they're just too busy making the windowing system we all use to write documentation :P Sep 21 21:04:10 that can't be it Sep 21 21:17:14 dtzWill, curious, any plans on building a touchpad version of supernes? Sep 21 21:18:56 yes, absolutely. I just need to get a dang free weekend to do so. it and VBA Sep 21 21:19:04 (the parts that need updating are highly redundant) Sep 21 21:19:17 dtzWill: Do you know how/is is possible to get UTF-8 working on XTerm on TP? Sep 21 21:19:37 klausa: nope, mostly because i know little about it. how does one get utf-8 support on xterm on a normal device? Sep 21 21:19:52 if it's "use a different terminal" then that's probably the answer here too, and i'd expect it to work. Sep 21 21:19:54 oh my... VBA on TP? (in love) Sep 21 21:20:07 I love the current n64 emu but its a little unstable... Sep 21 21:20:10 oh for sure. tp beasts it Sep 21 21:20:16 oh did someone push forward with a n64 emu? Sep 21 21:20:23 that was also on my backlog, glad someone got to it. Sep 21 21:20:24 There is one in progress in the forums Sep 21 21:20:33 Abyssul: link? is it using zodttd's work? Sep 21 21:20:34 Ported mupen64plus Sep 21 21:20:35 I remember something about uxterm being a utf8 wrapper thingy for xterm Sep 21 21:20:37 yep Sep 21 21:20:39 err Sep 21 21:20:39 no[ Sep 21 21:21:02 http://forums.precentral.net/hp-touchpad-homebrew/297966-n64-emulator-first-release.html Sep 21 21:21:12 dtzWill: I think that xterm must be compiled with somthing like --enable-utf-8 Sep 21 21:21:13 well if anyone can tell me how to do it on a non-touchpad platform we can work to make it happen on a tp platform Sep 21 21:21:22 klausa: if that's all it is we can add it i'm pretty sure Sep 21 21:21:29 Because people are saying that I should use xterm -u8 Sep 21 21:21:31 (assuming that doesn't imply a bunch of dependencies that we don't have) Sep 21 21:21:40 But on touchpad it says that it doesn't recognize that flag. Sep 21 21:21:45 klausa: are you webos-commandline comfortable? Sep 21 21:21:57 I can be if I need to be. Sep 21 21:21:57 yeah i probably just built a minimal xterm for no particularly good reason Sep 21 21:23:11 http://linux.die.net/man/1/uxterm Sep 21 21:23:20 dtzWill: the xterm in preware is minimal? Sep 21 21:23:21 my copy of xterm does not have a --enable-utf-8 option Sep 21 21:23:30 guys it's whatever i felt like staging into the WIDK Sep 21 21:23:48 exactly how it's built is public information and should be reproducible--if it's not then we have an isuse. Sep 21 21:23:49 dtzWill: I was just gueessing that was the option, actually Sep 21 21:23:51 anyway i don't see it Sep 21 21:23:58 would --enable-wide-chars sound good? Sep 21 21:24:00 there's a few things there Sep 21 21:24:04 i just punted on it until someone complained Sep 21 21:24:18 i /do/ tell it to disable wide-char support b/c that broke something Sep 21 21:24:19 i'll look int it Sep 21 21:25:46 yep Sep 21 21:25:48 http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/unicode.html#getxterm Sep 21 21:25:51 --enable-wide-chars Sep 21 21:26:13 although it claims different things with various xfree versions and the xterm's tyhey "ship" with, so idk. Sep 21 21:27:32 uxterm looks like it's a wrapper for xterm Sep 21 21:27:38 that just sets of the locale and whatnot Sep 21 21:27:49 dtzWill, that's what the link I posted said :P Sep 21 21:27:56 haha yeah reading that now Sep 21 21:27:57 sorry :# Sep 21 21:27:58 *:3 Sep 21 21:28:55 urxvt claims to use a lot less memory and does unicode Sep 21 21:29:04 yeah i use urxvt locally. Sep 21 21:29:20 just an FYI for those with a debian/ubuntu chroot that they are running stuff from Sep 21 21:29:27 I've never been all that fond of rxvt for some reason Sep 21 21:29:36 i don't feel strongly about it :) Sep 21 21:29:38 I use guake ;) Sep 21 21:29:48 so I just use xterm since it's there already Sep 21 21:30:00 well it built --with-wide-cahrs Sep 21 21:30:02 who wants to test it? Sep 21 21:30:06 mostly cause my netbook screen is tiny Sep 21 21:30:15 I do. Sep 21 21:30:18 dtzWill, me! Sep 21 21:30:28 can you guys install it where it needs to go if i post a binary? Sep 21 21:30:31 packaging it up will take a bit Sep 21 21:30:58 it doesn't need extra resource files? Sep 21 21:30:59 If you tell me how, then sure Sep 21 21:31:03 http://ompldr.org/vYWd3aA Sep 21 21:31:07 put it where the existing xterm lives Sep 21 21:31:11 just copy it over to /whatever/the/path/to/the/xterm/is? Sep 21 21:31:15 oh, okay Sep 21 21:31:28 that binary should support it, it might even by default Sep 21 21:31:43 it might require you to set your locale accordingly, or that -u8 (or +u8 or w/e) Sep 21 21:32:02 i have locale set Sep 21 21:32:02 but that binary was built correctly--if it requires extra setup lmk and i'll add it to the default xterm launcher Sep 21 21:32:24 dtzWill, I installed SuperNES on my TP and it loads, but haven't tested games yet. doing a search for VBA in the app cat doesn't return any results (I wanted to bookmark it) Sep 21 21:32:34 RagingMind: it doesn't exist yet, sorry Sep 21 21:32:56 RagingMind: it doesn't run on 3.0.0 so it was blocked from app cat Sep 21 21:33:02 ah Sep 21 21:33:14 supernes works :) just gotta test a game Sep 21 21:33:43 well it 'works' but it's scaled up and the gui is even more terrible than it was before Sep 21 21:33:47 especially with strange orientation issues Sep 21 21:35:50 RagingMind, klausa: going afk for a bit, lmk how it goes (ping me and i'll see your response for sure) Sep 21 21:38:50 Now for VBA or NES Sep 21 21:39:52 dtzWill: It kind of works with -u8. Sep 21 21:40:23 dtzWill: It doesn't mangle text anymore, but font doesn't have characters so it just display blanks Sep 21 21:41:03 now we'll need x font packages... heh Sep 21 21:41:39 there is one font that should probably be included, the name is escaping me. it's designed to give broad unicode coverage without worrying about being pretty Sep 21 21:44:43 dtzWill: So, this new version and -u8 added to xecutah.sh works perfectly. Sep 21 21:44:53 dtzWill: Save for those lacking fonts, that is. Sep 21 21:49:03 okay, great. progress. Sep 21 21:49:07 klausa: thanks for the report! Sep 21 21:51:28 i honestly have no idea what font it uses or where it gets it from Sep 21 21:51:53 this was done as part of an unrelated project 1.5 years ago :), we were just happy to have xterm. Sep 21 21:53:19 lol Sep 21 21:54:19 hehe we did some fun with virtualization, putting each app you ran into it's own vm :3 Sep 21 21:54:45 but of course that was terribly inexpensive, so we ended up using linux containers to get some of the same 'guarantees' with little to no performance hit hehe Sep 21 21:55:09 ah, it's called unifont, it's kinda big though Sep 21 21:55:11 8MB Sep 21 21:57:22 well can always provide that as an optional install and push to those that want it Sep 21 21:57:35 or just include it since we're not hosting mini ubuntu and debian chroot images anyway Sep 21 21:59:08 dtzWill i finally got an ALARM chroot Sep 21 21:59:22 it downloads the rootfs during install so it's tiny Sep 21 21:59:54 crimsonredmk, talk to rwhitby and maybe it can get into the feeds Sep 21 21:59:59 one of these days i'll work on fixing it up and checking out the relevant xecutah stuff Sep 21 22:00:03 specifically, alph Sep 21 22:00:06 alpha* Sep 21 22:00:09 not ready for release quite yet though, heh Sep 21 22:00:23 i'll work on it this weekend Sep 21 22:02:29 anyone else have trouble changing the default apps on the tp? Sep 21 22:02:49 it's almost like they fatpacked the app but didn't do certain parts of it Sep 21 22:05:34 log from device info: Sep 21 22:05:40 [2011-09-21 22:04:14] (com.palm.app.deviceinfo) Uncaught TypeError: Cannot read property 'style' of undefined, palmInitFramework506:14081 Sep 21 22:07:50 Uhm.. Sep 21 22:07:56 I need to log in to edit wiki? Sep 21 22:08:08 yes Sep 21 22:08:18 as a security measure Sep 21 22:08:26 to prevent spam Sep 21 22:08:36 I don't want to, can someone just fix something I'll point out? Sep 21 22:08:47 I don't want to create account. Sep 21 22:09:06 perhaps, whats wrong? Sep 21 22:09:13 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:OpenSSH Sep 21 22:09:22 Start a new terminal session in Mac OS and su to root. Once in root on your mac: Sep 21 22:09:25 * PatrickC_TP tried to use that today Sep 21 22:09:26 //opt/bin/ssh-keygen Sep 21 22:09:44 There's no /opt/bin/ in Lion. Sep 21 22:09:50 Or any OS X I believe. Sep 21 22:09:53 I think /opt/bin is a 3rd-party package Sep 21 22:10:00 And ssh-keygen is already in default path. Sep 21 22:10:01 ports or something Sep 21 22:10:05 No need to specify that. Sep 21 22:10:10 Just ssh-keygen. Sep 21 22:10:11 * scoutcamper is not a mac guy Sep 21 22:10:23 and as for defaults people tend to change thing Sep 21 22:10:26 things* Sep 21 22:10:43 klausa: done Sep 21 22:10:59 Exit out of vi and save Sep 21 22:10:59 qw! Sep 21 22:11:05 does that work? Sep 21 22:11:10 * rwhitby gives summatusmentis the http://bit.ly/phd-ac link so he can give it to the next person who asks "What is Preware / Homebrew" ;) Sep 21 22:11:15 :wq! Sep 21 22:11:49 dwc-: no. Sep 21 22:11:54 dwc-, its :wq! on linux Sep 21 22:12:02 it should be :wq! on *every* vi Sep 21 22:12:09 And there's no need for '!' Sep 21 22:12:10 but I thought maybe os x had some funky version Sep 21 22:12:16 dwc-: No. Sep 21 22:12:24 ok I'll fix that too then Sep 21 22:12:28 [0:11:19] i13:klausa:~% vim --version Sep 21 22:12:28 VIM - Vi IMproved 7.3 (2010 Aug 15, compiled Jun 24 2011 20:00:09) Sep 21 22:12:42 Hmm. Sep 21 22:12:44 Nice. Sep 21 22:13:00 My FreeBSD box had 7.2 just few monts ago. Sep 21 22:13:12 huh. someone wrote to remove the "started org.webosinternals.optware" bit from the upstart script Sep 21 22:13:18 lol, what. it's definitely ":wq" everywhere, ":wq!" just means "and don't bug me that i haven't saved the changes i just made" which is useful for those who don't *know* vim b/c chances are they didn't mean to make those cahnges Sep 21 22:13:29 funny, adding it seems to fix some people's issues Sep 21 22:13:36 dtzWill: but w means you save :) Sep 21 22:13:44 if you're :wq the ! only overwrites files that are u-r Sep 21 22:13:46 also, *cough* ":x" == :wq" Sep 21 22:13:54 i'm sorry, of course, rofl. Sep 21 22:14:02 lol Sep 21 22:14:04 indeed, it just means "and don't prompt me" Sep 21 22:14:16 i'll stfu now. such fail. Sep 21 22:15:31 hmm could use some advice please? Sep 21 22:15:46 ~asktoask Sep 21 22:15:47 This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. Sep 21 22:16:12 Activated Pre3 with Impostah, check app catalog and the "Prefs & Accounts" menu is greyed out? Sep 21 22:16:38 * scoutcamper dunnos, wont have his pre3 till friday Sep 21 22:17:00 great Sep 21 22:17:12 recaptcha wants me to input greek letters and math formulas Sep 21 22:17:22 thing is i got same on my old Pre but that was activated in Sweden so im worried this Pre3 is now locked also Sep 21 22:17:24 ... I think I'll just ask for a new captcha Sep 21 22:17:47 Andreas____, rwhitby *might* know Sep 21 22:17:48 i can confirm the ssh-keygen thing on a mac Sep 21 22:18:15 but if you want to be certain, it's /usr/bin/ssh-keygen Sep 21 22:18:21 preinstalled with os x Sep 21 22:19:18 scoutcamper: my pre3 comes in friday too! Sep 21 22:20:15 quick questino on xterm :) Sep 21 22:20:33 Andreas____: try to buy Preware Homebrew Documentation and see if it asks for your details then Sep 21 22:20:34 when running a script, it seems it goes down below my onscreen keyboard Sep 21 22:20:40 how do I scroll down to the bottom? Sep 21 22:21:09 Tweaks Sep 21 22:21:17 Volcom45: you have a mismtach between your keyboard size and what tweaks told X to reserve space for Sep 21 22:21:25 ah gotcha Sep 21 22:21:25 Volcom45: immediate solution, resize your keyboard to see the rest of the text Sep 21 22:21:26 thx Sep 21 22:21:43 longer term, use tweaks to change what size keyboard X reserves space for Sep 21 22:21:53 appreciate that :) Sep 21 22:22:00 Uhm... Sep 21 22:22:12 How can I check my TP's IP? Sep 21 22:22:20 ifconfig doesn't seem to work. Sep 21 22:22:35 klausa: wifi settings :) Sep 21 22:22:37 And I can't find DHCP table in my piece of shit router. Sep 21 22:22:54 click on the network you're already connected to, and it'll give you the normal ip/gateway/etc settings Sep 21 22:23:03 Ah. Sep 21 22:23:04 Cool. Sep 21 22:23:09 Didn't know that. Sep 21 22:23:10 Thanks. Sep 21 22:23:13 rwhitby: Goes to the dreaded "The action could not be completed. Try again later." page when i try to buy. Sep 21 22:26:56 Andreas____: did you erase the device and go through the normal setup process and verify your email address? Sep 21 22:28:14 I never got a verification so tried a couple of times, log into a different account and when i logged back to impostah account again and clicked resend verification i suddenly got the mail. Sep 21 22:28:59 im scared it got activated onto to non impostah account even though it was created much later Sep 21 22:29:05 the erase after impostah is important Sep 21 22:29:21 dtzWill: If we got this with XServer Sep 21 22:29:22 http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/download/ucs-fonts.tar.gz Sep 21 22:29:39 I think there should be no problem with unicode anymore Sep 21 22:29:58 klausa: can you link me to something that describes what that is? Sep 21 22:30:03 (pretty please? :)) Sep 21 22:30:10 Sure thing. Sep 21 22:30:10 http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/ucs-fonts.html Sep 21 22:30:24 yes, i did a full erase and logged back in, downloaded free facebook app. Then i tried to doctor and create a new account as I thought it was activated. Sep 21 22:32:10 Seems like settings wont stuck until verfication of email? Sep 21 22:32:35 hi, i was wondering if it's possible to edit files on a ubuntu img file from the computer? command line or gui i don't really care i'm just not comfortable configuratin' things on-device.. Sep 21 22:34:27 dtzWill: Where does XServer keep all files? Sep 21 22:34:43 I can't find anything like lib/X11 Sep 21 22:34:50 innocentbystande, please give some context. Sep 21 22:35:47 i'm trying to install mcabber (command line im client) and it requires a rather complicated config file, i'd rather use my computer to setup the file Sep 21 22:36:06 pre 2, 2.1, most recent packages Sep 21 22:36:14 is this the right place to ask about this kind of thing? Sep 21 22:36:15 klausa: in it's app directory. Sep 21 22:36:44 innocentbystande, ahh, i recomend OpenSSH and manually launching the chroot Sep 21 22:37:39 ah, ill give it a shot Sep 21 22:38:59 thanks Sep 21 22:39:04 no prob Sep 21 22:39:59 anything i need to do on the phone before i can ssh into it? Sep 21 22:40:16 innocentbystande: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:OpenSSH Sep 21 22:40:24 rwhitby: should it say "HPwebOS Account - Impostah User" when click Accounts or start Contacts for the first time? Sep 21 22:41:10 thanks Sep 21 22:41:19 you can change that on the web inteerface Sep 21 22:42:01 yes, done that but not updated in phone. Sep 21 22:42:49 turn off backup, erase, relogin Sep 21 22:44:14 Ah, I have no idea how to get those fonts there. Sep 21 22:47:29 ah, got it. two more questions: how do you use the down arrow in ubuntu on a pre 2? (it's not listed on the wiki page) ... and, how does one get a window manager to start in landscape mode? Sep 21 22:55:56 rwhitby: erase and relogin fixed the account naming from Impostah User but app cat prefs greyd out, guess i messed up somehow. Sep 21 22:57:35 anyone? down arrow key in xecutah? Sep 21 22:58:33 rwhitby: it works now Sep 21 22:59:08 I got a second verification email when signing in again and right after clicking that the app cat menu was no longer greyed out Sep 21 23:01:46 ah, got it. it's sym+C. that's not listed on the wiki page, i'll change it Sep 21 23:12:31 rwhitby: thanks for talking me through to get it working, will go to bed now and will setup the phone tomorrow and make a donation. ty all and good night Sep 21 23:15:47 ~seen PuffTheMagic Sep 21 23:16:00 puffthemagic <~PuffTheMa@unaffiliated/puffthemagic> was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 5d 19h 43m 45s ago, saying: 'http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DPMdkkmsQAtE%26feature%3Drelated&h=SAQBh7_6uAQATBoP04TsTutT4ak5h_A86L7tiVOiRIs65hA'. Sep 21 23:41:23 can't add feed Sep 21 23:41:39 plz help.... Sep 21 23:42:24 please be more specific Sep 21 23:43:01 hhj, i need the link you are following and device model/os version, and a pastebin of the error Sep 21 23:43:16 I try to add the prepare is awesome feed for overclock and restart but doesn't show .. Sep 21 23:44:06 hhj, i need the link you are following and device model/os version, and a pastebin of the error Sep 21 23:45:22 http://preware.is.awsome.com/ my touch pad is up to date with 3.2 model is 32g WiFi only Sep 21 23:46:30 no error just when adding feed nothing shows.. After restart f15c kernel is still not showing up.. Sep 21 23:47:40 hhj, link to the instructions that told you to do that? Sep 21 23:47:53 hhj, please read testing.preware.org Sep 21 23:49:10 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1230912 Sep 21 23:50:58 scoutcamper, I checked the link you suggested but it doesn't tell you ap Sep 21 23:51:00 hhj, that post is violating one of the rules on testing.preware.org Sep 21 23:51:16 hmmm Sep 21 23:51:38 hhj, testing.preware.org is always the most up to date instructions, if you cant follow them, testing kernels arent for you Sep 21 23:54:09 I am trying to overclock... I have overclocking all my hardware.. But can't figure out touchpad I am aware of the risk and agreed to all the guidlines but can't manage to make it work... Can you help out .? Sep 21 23:54:39 hhj, you need the beta feeds Sep 21 23:55:21 ok... How do I get these ? Sep 21 23:56:01 that's the part I get stuck feeds Sep 21 23:56:06 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Testing_Feeds#Enabling_the_Beta_Testing_Feeds Sep 21 23:57:09 hhj, see rule #8 Sep 21 23:57:24 Gain access to the Linux command line on your device and run the following two commands. If you do not already know how to do this using novaterm or Xecutah, or cannot find out how to do this using Google, then you should not be beta testing Sep 21 23:58:53 I don't get this part /\ Sep 21 23:59:11 how do I do this ? Sep 21 23:59:13 hhj - use Google to find out how to do the listed things... Sep 21 23:59:27 ... if you can't do that, you shouldn't be playing with beta software. Sep 21 23:59:30 or follow the last 7 words Sep 21 23:59:34 * scoutcamper brb Sep 22 00:08:26 how do i make "screenshots" of what i currently see on my HPTP? Sep 22 00:09:10 power+home Sep 22 00:09:11 ok nvm got it Sep 22 00:09:17 yeah quickly googled it aswell Sep 22 00:09:33 actually, thats quite weird that pressing those 2 buttons at the same time result in such an effect Sep 22 00:09:34 :D Sep 22 00:10:35 its not like there is an abundance of choice Sep 22 00:11:01 true Sep 22 00:12:25 http://www.box.net/shared/m7tv5k7t3bh32s7yp8kr :) Sep 22 00:15:33 anyone successful getting pidgin working in ubuntu on a phone? Sep 22 00:16:11 * dtzWill got pidgin running on a phone without ubuntu O:) Sep 22 00:16:50 * halfhalo caught a pidgin and taped a phone to it, does that count? Sep 22 00:17:03 lol Sep 22 00:17:23 just curious Sep 22 00:17:40 when i install pidgin and try to launch it, it opens up a window and then abruptly crashes Sep 22 00:17:48 * scoutcamper slaps halfhalo Sep 22 00:18:08 innocentbystande, are you using the alpha with upstart fix? Sep 22 00:18:24 i'm using the beta release Sep 22 00:18:42 0.9.3 Sep 22 00:18:58 of the chroot? Sep 22 00:19:03 everything Sep 22 00:19:25 * scoutcamper goes to look at which version is in beta Sep 22 00:19:50 innocentbystande, ubuntu-natty-chroot has a different version, what version is yours on? Sep 22 00:20:01 0.9.3 Sep 22 00:20:08 wait Sep 22 00:20:10 *checks Sep 22 00:20:24 11.04-9 Sep 22 00:20:56 ok, you have fixed dbus Sep 22 00:21:16 s/dbus/upstart Sep 22 00:23:08 wait, was that a question? Sep 22 00:23:16 i don't know what those things are ... sorry Sep 22 00:23:18 no, a statement Sep 22 00:23:20 ok Sep 22 00:25:30 one more question btw: any easy way to open a wm in landscape mode? Sep 22 00:30:08 rwhitby: oh, good to know, thanks Sep 22 00:30:28 innocentbystande: phone or touchpad? Sep 22 00:30:38 phone Sep 22 00:30:49 pre 2, 2.1, at&t, beta release Sep 22 00:30:59 then no. phone is portrait only at the moment, until we work out how to do XRANDR to auto-rotate Sep 22 00:31:26 okay Sep 22 00:31:26 thanks Sep 22 00:31:40 any info on why pidgin might crash? Sep 22 00:31:49 nope Sep 22 00:31:58 ok Sep 22 00:43:36 hello. I just installed xecutah on my touchpad and when I run xterm the virtual keyboard is not displaying. Ive also installed the tweaks app and have tried all the keyboard settings with no luck. Anyone know whats going on?d Sep 22 00:46:50 myth: yes, you haven't updated your OS to 3.0.2 I suspect Sep 22 00:48:19 yep that looks like it. I'm still running 3.0.0 thanks! Sep 22 00:59:11 rwhitby: Is there a way to hide the keyboard? Sep 22 00:59:31 because I have the opposite issue, mine won't hide Sep 22 01:05:46 have you help down the bottom right key? Sep 22 01:05:54 s/help/held/ Sep 22 01:05:55 rwhitby meant: have you held down the bottom right key? Sep 22 01:06:23 (like the documentation in Xecutah actually says to do, no?) Sep 22 01:26:39 netflix Sep 22 02:03:53 is there significant overhead incurred by using a loopback image for a chroot over a separate logical volume? Sep 22 02:08:20 not really Sep 22 02:08:37 linux just treats both mostly as extents, but loop goes through fs layer, dm doesn't Sep 22 02:10:04 the wiki lists a potential issue with a chroot loopback image related to FAT32 attributes, what would that cause? Sep 22 02:13:10 summatusmentis: who is saying that? Sep 22 02:18:03 rwhitby: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Chrooting see "Loop mount a partition on existing partitions" Sep 22 02:18:10 unless I'm misunderstanding what it says Sep 22 02:36:27 was there a kernel that allowed the pixi to go to 1ghz? Sep 22 02:36:44 of course Sep 22 02:37:08 summatusmentis: I'm not sure who wrote that, or what it really means. Sep 22 02:37:10 what was the name of it Sep 22 02:37:16 That page in general is superfluous. Sep 22 02:37:41 warthog Sep 22 02:37:59 ah yes Sep 22 02:38:34 I need the feed url tho Sep 22 02:38:35 * fudge_palm googles Sep 22 02:38:54 the pixi flys on uberkernel @ 804MHz Sep 22 02:39:00 ~testing-feeds Sep 22 02:39:01 testing-feeds is a means of testing new WebOS Internals products, documented at http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Testing_Feeds Sep 22 02:39:16 summatusmentis: I've fixed that page Sep 22 02:39:38 ~ka6sox Sep 22 02:39:39 [ka6sox] Chief Server Infrastructure Architect and Sys-Admin Team Lead(aka BOFH), Work Time:High Power RF, VHDL/Verilog Design, Play Time: Dabble with Kernel development. Sep 22 02:39:45 thanks tibfib Sep 22 02:40:07 infobot: no, testing-feeds is a means of testing new WebOS Internals products, documented at http://testing.preware.org - always use that URL and never copy any of the instructions anywhere else. Sep 22 02:40:07 okay, rwhitby Sep 22 02:40:16 ~testing-feeds Sep 22 02:40:17 extra, extra, read all about it, testing-feeds is a means of testing new WebOS Internals products, documented at http://testing.preware.org - always use that URL and never copy any of the instructions anywhere else. Sep 22 02:40:59 is infobot a person? or just a really well coded bot? Sep 22 02:41:34 well coded bot Sep 22 02:42:01 impressive Sep 22 02:42:42 ~botsnakc Sep 22 02:42:45 ~botsnack Sep 22 02:42:45 aw, gee, rwhitby Sep 22 02:44:10 ~botsnack Sep 22 02:44:12 fudge_palm: thanks Sep 22 02:44:23 awesome Sep 22 02:44:52 that's the most user interactive bot I've ever seen Sep 22 02:47:48 is there a way to reboot webos from gui, not just "power off" then power on manually? Sep 22 02:48:27 shift sym r Sep 22 02:48:46 I mean Sep 22 02:48:53 orange sym r Sep 22 02:48:53 A lot of IRC bots are like that Sep 22 02:49:21 abyssul: yea I know. but infobot really takes the cake. Sep 22 02:49:48 fudge_palm: what is that supposed to mean? Assuming I have a touchpad that has no keyboard, of course Sep 22 02:50:07 oh lol Sep 22 02:50:19 Device restart from the power menu? Sep 22 02:50:24 I don't know about the touchpad, I have the pixi and pre Sep 22 02:50:45 Abyssul: how to access power menu? Sep 22 02:50:46 someone should develop a power options app. Sep 22 02:50:58 Hold down power button Sep 22 02:51:05 May I offer a word of advice? Sep 22 02:51:12 If the option isnt there, then I guess its added via patch. Sep 22 02:51:20 Tibfib_: ping Sep 22 02:51:41 green--: Device Info has one Sep 22 02:51:45 When your wife asks you what you are thinking about, do NOT say "bootie" Sep 22 02:52:27 she will NOT immediately think about the same thing you are. at least if you're like me. Sep 22 02:54:56 hehe Sep 22 02:56:30 what's the highest temp anyone has ever clocked on their pre/pixi? Sep 22 02:57:39 Idk. Probably the high 70s Sep 22 02:57:56 shit Sep 22 02:58:04 that's hot Sep 22 02:58:06 LarrySteeze: lol re bootie Sep 22 02:58:32 and don't tell her about needing to use trenchcoat to flash your bootie, she really won't think the same thing Sep 22 02:58:47 my pixi is clocking 52 and my thumb feels as if it's burning Sep 22 02:59:30 LarrySteeze: webos naming conventions are so awesome Sep 22 02:59:35 ive had my pre- hit 60 Sep 22 02:59:41 hewball: where in device info? O only see "Reset options" Sep 22 02:59:46 It was pretty hot Sep 22 02:59:52 yeps under there green-- **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Sep 22 02:59:56 2011