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Sep 26 03:02:48 <rwhitby> vividboarder: UA is handled in a binary
Sep 26 03:03:35 <vividboarder> Yea, but... with javascript (at least in desktop web browsers like Chrome and Firefox) it's possible to alter the Request Header and spoof the browser.
Sep 26 03:03:57 <vividboarder> Found some sources... http://www.tek-tips.com/viewthread.cfm?qid=1613263&page=9
Sep 26 03:04:12 <vividboarder> Aaaand... http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1307013/mocking-a-useragent-in-javascript
Sep 26 03:04:22 <vividboarder> And... v
Sep 26 03:04:25 <vividboarder> Oops...
Sep 26 03:04:27 <vividboarder> http://objectmix.com/javascript/321077-detect-change-user-agent-via-javascript.html
Sep 26 03:04:37 * badfrog really doesnt want to learn anymore :)
Sep 26 03:05:01 <rwhitby> vividboarder: if you find a way, awesome.  folks have been looking for it for over a year and only found a binary patch method.
Sep 26 03:05:07 <vividboarder> So, my thought was, in the browser, if I could put this in the head of every request I could spoof. And ideally, I'd create a list of domains and the UA you want spoofed when you visit them.
Sep 26 03:06:54 <Jack87> vividboarder, that be sweet!
Sep 26 03:06:59 <badfrog> is ther a chroot for complete lazy morons i can browse through?
Sep 26 03:07:03 <vividboarder> Not sure if possible yet...
Sep 26 03:07:13 <Jack87> badfrog, what do you mean
Sep 26 03:07:24 <badfrog> how to install it
Sep 26 03:07:33 <vividboarder> So far it looks like the actual get requests are handled in binary and the browser is more of a front end to a binary rather than the actual browser... which makes sense since the entire OS is really a browser.
Sep 26 03:07:43 <badfrog> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/UbuntuChroot
Sep 26 03:07:45 <Jack87> badfrog, you need partition... and thats pretty much it
Sep 26 03:07:46 <badfrog> im here right now
Sep 26 03:08:18 <Jack87> badfrog, i would suggest making partition with meta doctor
Sep 26 03:08:26 <Jack87> but that will mean you have to doctor your device
Sep 26 03:08:45 <badfrog> no prob...i have a 32gb device rfor this
Sep 26 03:08:46 <Jack87> if you dont care great.. otherwise you can manually resize your partiton
Sep 26 03:09:19 <Jack87> badfrog, are you running linux on your computer?
Sep 26 03:09:37 <badfrog> not anymore...i could vm if i had too
Sep 26 03:09:59 <Jack87> eh.. just follow steps in alternative step1
Sep 26 03:10:07 <badfrog> linux and video was really pissing me off so i thought i would learn windows again
Sep 26 03:10:16 <Jack87> as soon as you have the partition set and mounted the rest is done with preware
Sep 26 03:10:36 <badfrog> sweet...thanks...just wanted to make sure i had the right link
Sep 26 03:10:51 <Jack87> do you know how to get use novaterm?
Sep 26 03:11:37 <badfrog> i installed preware on the one my wife is using and a few things and havent seen it since
Sep 26 03:11:53 <badfrog> been waiting on mine to show up
Sep 26 03:12:46 <badfrog> ive semi bricked lots of android devices and recovered...i r not skeered
Sep 26 03:14:56 <badfrog> what effect will this have (if any) if they set up dual boot for android and webos?
Sep 26 03:17:20 <vividboarder> badfrog, you'd have to partition again.
Sep 26 03:17:44 <badfrog> hmmmmmm
Sep 26 03:18:02 <badfrog> the instructions look idiot proof to me
Sep 26 03:18:07 <vividboarder> Worst case at least.
Sep 26 03:18:38 <vividboarder> Maybe someone here can explain real quick... why does a partition need to be made for Ubuntu if this is a chroot instalation?
Sep 26 03:18:42 <badfrog> with a 32 gb device i can resonably run webos and android
Sep 26 03:18:50 <vividboarder> Oh for sure.
Sep 26 03:18:53 <vividboarder> And linux. :P
Sep 26 03:19:29 <badfrog> i like this chroot running stuff on the cards
Sep 26 03:21:31 <vividboarder> badfrog, do you run chrooted ubuntu on your TF?
Sep 26 03:21:44 <badfrog> i set it up but i didnt like it
Sep 26 03:22:00 <badfrog> wasnt really anything i couldnt already do from android
Sep 26 03:22:02 <vividboarder> Yea, because it has to run through VNC now... WebOS thankfully has a full on Xserver.
Sep 26 03:22:14 <badfrog> thats what im liking
Sep 26 03:22:50 <vividboarder> There is an Xserver for Android in the works. I may fork it if nobody continues working on it... It'll be great to have it on my Touchpad though.
Sep 26 03:23:30 <badfrog> nice
Sep 26 03:23:34 <rwhitby> vividboarder: only reason for a partition is for performance. you can do an ext3 loopfs if you prefer
Sep 26 03:23:43 <vividboarder> Ah ok.
Sep 26 03:23:43 <rwhitby> (there are instructions for that too)
Sep 26 03:23:54 <vividboarder> Just checking. :)
Sep 26 03:23:54 <rwhitby> the ext3fs partition is more robust too
Sep 26 03:24:35 <badfrog> now i want my tp NOW
Sep 26 03:25:06 <vividboarder> ext3? pff... ext4 or bust. ;)
Sep 26 03:25:19 <rwhitby> vividboarder: sure, if you want to require a custom kernel
Sep 26 03:25:38 <rwhitby> I think I put ext4 in uberkernel
Sep 26 03:25:40 <vividboarder> Yea, I was just teasing.
Sep 26 03:25:57 <vividboarder> Oh yea?
Sep 26 03:26:12 <vividboarder> You the one who wroter uberkernel?
Sep 26 03:26:17 <vividboarder> wrote*
Sep 26 03:27:47 <Jack87> vividboarder, rwhitby has his paws in all the webos-internals projects. man does a lot! (i think he is really a robot)
Sep 26 03:28:22 <Jack87> ~rwhitby
Sep 26 03:28:23 <infobot> methinks rwhitby is the father of all things good for webos
Sep 26 03:28:51 <badfrog> he also spanks n00bs on xda :)
Sep 26 03:29:30 * Jack87 doesnt know what happens on xda and would like to keep it that way :-)
Sep 26 03:29:47 <vividboarder> Yea, XDA seems pretty useless for... touchpad in particular. ;)
Sep 26 03:30:13 <badfrog> it is
Sep 26 03:30:38 <Jack87> vividboarder, we se a lot of people who follow instructions on there and come here when they have issues. its a mess....
Sep 26 03:30:45 <badfrog> i was hoping palmdroid would move but it hasnt
Sep 26 03:31:25 <badfrog> move as in develope
Sep 26 03:31:35 <Jack87> oh for the record...
Sep 26 03:31:36 <Jack87> ~ot
Sep 26 03:31:37 <infobot> i guess ot is for Off-Topic WebOS general chat and can take place in #webos-general
Sep 26 03:32:22 <badfrog> oops...sorry...i'lll move
Sep 26 03:33:42 <Jack87> just an fyi incase stuff gets way off topic
Sep 26 03:44:25 <Guest44306> what
Sep 26 08:35:13 <Jack87> ahhh why are android people so negative about webos? it pisses me off as most dont even give it a chance
Sep 26 08:36:16 <LunohoD> Jack87: they are google's anal slaves
Sep 26 08:36:17 <rwhitby> Jack87: anyone who is negative about another operating system is simply showing their own insecurities about their own choice.
Sep 26 08:36:35 <rwhitby> operating systems are tools, not religions. use the best one at the time for the job at hand.
Sep 26 08:37:45 <Jack87> rwhitby, yes tools indeed thanks
Sep 26 08:37:46 <LunohoD> I'd like to throw my android phone away and get a palm pre 3
Sep 26 08:38:16 <LunohoD> for the firesale price, of course
Sep 26 08:39:21 <Jack87> LunohoD, haha ya. ill be willing to go as high as $250 (well thats as high as i could afford pitching penys like no other)
Sep 26 08:40:18 <rwhitby> you can probably get an azerty pre 3 for that price after a while
Sep 26 08:41:09 <Jack87> rwhitby, another problem i face is i need it to be sprint as i cant justify paying a higher monthly rate at ATT. (i couldnt spend $250 for a dev device)
Sep 26 08:41:24 <rwhitby> Jack87: that aint gonna happen
Sep 26 08:41:40 <Jack87> so vzw pre3 and trying to sweet talk someone in sprint activate it would be my best bet haha
Sep 26 08:41:59 <Jack87> as for a dev device pre3 that would be awesome but i would have to cost me much less
Sep 26 08:43:01 <Jack87> rwhitby, you of all people should know better never to say never :)
Sep 26 09:02:58 <RichT23> palm eurostore are selling the AZERTY Pre3
Sep 26 09:03:06 <RichT23> but for 170 GBP
Sep 26 09:04:45 <RichT23> I kind of prefeering the Veer to the Pre3 though
Sep 26 09:04:51 <RichT23> just becouse of the size
Sep 26 09:05:20 <RichT23> and maybe something to do with having of broken the Pre3's diler
Sep 26 09:05:23 <Jack87> RichT23, i would love a veer on sprint :)
Sep 26 09:05:34 <RichT23> it lock up every time i try to use the diler
Sep 26 09:05:35 <Jack87> but only hope i have is a vzw pre3 on sprint
Sep 26 09:06:29 <RichT23> there are loads of Veers on ebay
Sep 26 09:06:38 <RichT23> i imported ming from the US
Sep 26 09:06:58 <RichT23> so cheep there, but the cost of postage and having to pay tax here want nice
Sep 26 09:07:27 <RichT23> Most of them ate ATT... can you not just get a sprint Sim for them?
Sep 26 09:07:53 <Jack87> RichT23, sprint doesnt use sim... its CDMA network
Sep 26 09:07:53 <rwhitby> heh, sprint sim.
Sep 26 09:08:02 <RichT23> ARRR
Sep 26 09:08:09 <RichT23> buggers
Sep 26 09:08:29 <rwhitby> you guys and your silly CDMA carrier handcuffs
Sep 26 09:08:42 <Jack87> as much as i love webos.. carrier is always first for me as in price / month
Sep 26 09:08:48 <Jack87> so sprint pre2 will do for now
Sep 26 09:09:05 <Jack87> sprintified i should say
Sep 26 11:13:30 <cookie42> Hi. Can anyone help me with wirc and SSL? Or is that not functional yet?
Sep 26 12:42:35 <ClickGamer> Hello People
Sep 26 12:42:44 <ClickGamer> I need help.
Sep 26 12:43:31 <ClickGamer> Hello?
Sep 26 12:44:14 <bpadalino> so if you ask the question, you may get more responses
Sep 26 12:44:20 <bpadalino> so .. ask .. stick around .. etc
Sep 26 12:44:23 <ClickGamer> Alright
Sep 26 12:44:25 <ClickGamer> So
Sep 26 12:44:38 <ClickGamer> I just updated the "Maps" app
Sep 26 12:44:42 <ClickGamer> everything was fine
Sep 26 12:44:55 <ClickGamer> untill i had restarted the phone
Sep 26 12:45:09 <ClickGamer> The "Maps" Icon is missing now
Sep 26 12:45:34 <hucksy> yep
Sep 26 12:45:36 <hucksy> me 2
Sep 26 12:45:40 <ClickGamer> I did a hard reset and the same thing
Sep 26 12:45:47 <ClickGamer> Ah good.
Sep 26 12:45:53 <ClickGamer> I thought i fucked up my Pre 3
Sep 26 12:46:01 <ClickGamer> So it is a fault of HP?
Sep 26 12:46:28 <hucksy> until now, i thought it was a problem with my pre, so ... dont know, but i think so ;)
Sep 26 12:46:38 <ClickGamer> Good
Sep 26 12:46:40 <ClickGamer> Ok
Sep 26 12:46:47 <ClickGamer> I thought i fucked up my Pre 3
Sep 26 12:46:53 <hucksy> hehe
Sep 26 12:46:58 <ClickGamer> I made maybe 8 or 9 Hard resets
Sep 26 12:47:06 <ClickGamer> x'D
Sep 26 12:47:10 <ClickGamer> Because of this
Sep 26 12:47:17 <hucksy> ugh
Sep 26 12:47:35 <ClickGamer> I know i am sounding like a total noob. :S
Sep 26 12:47:58 <ClickGamer> I am more an android fanboy.
Sep 26 12:48:00 <ClickGamer> x'D
Sep 26 12:48:28 <ClickGamer> But i have to say, WebOs is great because it just simply works.
Sep 26 12:48:32 <ClickGamer> (Most)
Sep 26 12:48:32 <ClickGamer> :D
Sep 26 12:48:35 <hucksy> nah :) but dont make more than one reset... then its doctor time
Sep 26 12:48:52 <ClickGamer> I know.
Sep 26 12:49:04 <ClickGamer> Btw.
Sep 26 12:49:12 <ClickGamer> I have warranty
Sep 26 12:49:18 <ClickGamer> and if i mess up my Pre 3
Sep 26 12:49:37 <ClickGamer> do you think they will give me a new one?
Sep 26 12:49:50 <ClickGamer> Or do they just repair the messed up pieces?
Sep 26 12:50:23 <ClickGamer> Because my Pre 3 felt on the ground because my stupid friend played with it. :@
Sep 26 12:50:51 <hucksy> thats a good question, i think they repair your device
Sep 26 12:51:09 <hucksy> (... but only if there is a reason)
Sep 26 12:51:43 <hucksy> "felt on the ground" doesnt sound like thats a warrenty-case ;)
Sep 26 12:51:44 <ClickGamer> This is a reason. x'D
Sep 26 12:52:00 <ClickGamer> So then why my WiFi isn't working anymore? -.-
Sep 26 12:52:37 <hucksy> since the pre felt on the ground?
Sep 26 12:52:47 <ClickGamer> Yes
Sep 26 12:52:58 <ClickGamer> My bill is going to explode
Sep 26 12:53:04 <ClickGamer> x'D
Sep 26 12:53:34 <hucksy> doctor your pre and look if its really a hardware-problem
Sep 26 12:53:46 <ClickGamer> Yeah.
Sep 26 12:53:58 <ClickGamer> Man, WebOs is great#
Sep 26 12:54:05 <ClickGamer> but i miss the apps from Android
Sep 26 12:54:16 <ClickGamer> we don't have a multi-messenger.
Sep 26 12:54:20 <ClickGamer> I mean WTF? x'D
Sep 26 12:54:54 <ClickGamer> I should learn to program apps then i can publish them.
Sep 26 12:54:54 <hucksy> mh?
Sep 26 12:55:11 <hucksy> IM+, agile messanger, mundo IM
Sep 26 12:55:25 <ClickGamer> I don't want to pay something for stupid apps.
Sep 26 12:55:32 <hucksy> IM+ is free
Sep 26 12:55:35 <ClickGamer> No
Sep 26 12:56:22 <ClickGamer> I only see the payver. of it.
Sep 26 12:56:46 <hucksy> mh, i see
Sep 26 12:56:56 <hucksy> it was free a while ago, ok
Sep 26 12:57:15 <ClickGamer> Hm, so i am stuck with the meebo messenger.
Sep 26 12:57:17 <ClickGamer> :/
Sep 26 12:57:50 <hucksy> you'll habe to wait until the native plugins ware finished ;)
Sep 26 12:57:52 <directhex> missing map icon i get too.
Sep 26 12:57:54 <hucksy> have
Sep 26 12:58:04 <ClickGamer> Whatever
Sep 26 12:58:08 <hucksy> -w
Sep 26 12:58:09 <ClickGamer> at least i have my chicken.
Sep 26 12:58:10 <ClickGamer> :D
Sep 26 12:58:57 <ClickGamer> WebOs is based on Linux too right?
Sep 26 12:59:10 <hucksy> yep
Sep 26 12:59:13 <hucksy> android not, btw
Sep 26 12:59:15 <hucksy> ;)
Sep 26 12:59:23 <hucksy> WebOS is a "real" linux
Sep 26 12:59:33 <hucksy> android is just based on the kernel
Sep 26 12:59:39 <vividboarder> hucksy, seriously? They both run on the linux kernel.
Sep 26 12:59:47 <ClickGamer> Yes they do.
Sep 26 13:00:01 <ClickGamer> Sorry
Sep 26 13:00:06 <ClickGamer> Wrong forum
Sep 26 13:00:07 <vividboarder> Yes, and android runs a javalike vm for the apps. WebOS runs a webkit browser for the OS.
Sep 26 13:00:08 <ClickGamer> :S
Sep 26 13:00:53 <ClickGamer> I should ask my friend if he can make some apps.
Sep 26 13:01:41 <ClickGamer> Wait
Sep 26 13:01:48 <ClickGamer> an other question
Sep 26 13:01:56 <ClickGamer> is the bootloader of the Palm Pre 3 free?
Sep 26 13:03:12 <hucksy> vividboarder: yeah, but compare the structure - android hast just the kernel as base so you can call it "linux", maybe thats enough, but definitly no full linux environment
Sep 26 13:03:37 <vividboarder> Yes, that is the only requirement, but what do you mean "the structure"?
Sep 26 13:03:44 <vividboarder> I'm assuming you haven't spent much time with Android...
Sep 26 13:03:51 <vividboarder> It runs Linux binaries as well.
Sep 26 13:04:14 <ClickGamer> I spent much time with android
Sep 26 13:04:15 <vividboarder> it has the same structure also. /system /usr /var /boot /bin /sbin etc...
Sep 26 13:04:26 <LunohoD> android is just a mess
Sep 26 13:04:28 <ClickGamer> but only with flashing roms etc.
Sep 26 13:04:46 <vividboarder> Both Webos and Android are linux based OS.
Sep 26 13:04:55 <ClickGamer> Yes.
Sep 26 13:07:15 <hucksy> vividboarder: i do, but long time ago.. so maybe i'm wrong ;) so there is /boot /bin, a shell, gnu tools ect.?
Sep 26 13:07:41 <vividboarder> Yes.
Sep 26 13:07:48 <hucksy> ah ok
Sep 26 13:07:52 * vividboarder does Android development too. :)
Sep 26 13:09:11 <LunohoD> android does not feel like a real gnu/linux system
Sep 26 13:09:27 <vividboarder> Yea, but neither does iOS or WebOS...
Sep 26 13:09:38 <hucksy> WebOS? sure
Sep 26 13:09:40 <LunohoD> webos is much more gnu/linux
Sep 26 13:09:41 <vividboarder> We are used to X window as gunlinux
Sep 26 13:09:51 <hucksy> bbl
Sep 26 13:10:13 <vividboarder> Really? How is that even an arguing point? More gnu/linux?
Sep 26 13:10:42 <vividboarder> You really are or you aren't...
Sep 26 13:10:43 <LunohoD> FHS, standard linux infrastructure
Sep 26 13:10:45 <vividboarder> And they both are.
Sep 26 13:11:12 <LunohoD> android is not FHS compliant
Sep 26 13:11:45 <vividboarder> And how so?
Sep 26 13:12:07 <LunohoD> ls -l /
Sep 26 13:12:14 <LunohoD> it's a mess
Sep 26 13:12:27 <LunohoD> android is just a huge java bloat
Sep 26 13:12:47 <vividboarder> . /root, /sbin /sys /system /proc /dev /data /etc
Sep 26 13:12:56 <LunohoD> on top of the minimal (and non-standard) linux system
Sep 26 13:13:11 <LunohoD> wtf is /system?
Sep 26 13:13:23 <LunohoD> where is /usr ?
Sep 26 13:13:29 <vividboarder> That's for the Dalvik vm.
Sep 26 13:13:36 <LunohoD> where is /bin?
Sep 26 13:13:54 <vividboarder> Hmm... actually... that one I dunno. I thought that was there...
Sep 26 13:13:58 <vividboarder> You have me there, haha.
Sep 26 13:18:49 <directhex> LunohoD, android *isn't* gnu/linux. there's no gnu on there.
Sep 26 13:18:59 <directhex> google's own libc on up.
Sep 26 13:19:17 * rwhitby points folks to the /topic
Sep 26 13:19:29 <rwhitby> especially the bit about android discussion
Sep 26 13:19:43 <rwhitby> feel free to use #webos-general
Sep 26 14:25:40 <jtrucks> 7
Sep 26 15:52:13 <copystring_> hi, anyone can point me in the right direction to publish an app on preware?
Sep 26 15:53:30 <M25> dtzWill: the new xecutah update is awesome!
Sep 26 15:54:20 <Soruk> Agreed, I've been using it since it's been in beta.
Sep 26 15:56:31 <Optimo> copystring_: the wiki mentions how, and I think it ultimately means contacting rwhitby to submit
Sep 26 16:08:14 <LunohoD> I'd like to have an ability to start Xserver on :0 again if there is no other running Xservers
Sep 26 16:12:36 <ka6sox> LunohoD, manually or just have it revert back to :0 if nothing else is running?
Sep 26 16:13:51 <LunohoD> the latter
Sep 26 16:38:30 <ajay_> hey is there any reason metadoctor's make backup shouldn't work? it just sits there for me..
Sep 26 16:48:27 <dtzWill> LunohoD: yeah, we should be adding more sophisticated tracking of used x server ports
Sep 26 16:49:12 <dtzWill> i wonder if we wraparound when the display number is too high? I haven't look at the related code
Sep 26 17:25:09 <wh0dat> was that second shipment of touchpads sent out this weekend?
Sep 26 17:40:32 <dude> wh0dat: ask in #touchpad
Sep 26 18:06:32 <hucksy> interesting
Sep 26 18:08:27 <hucksy> preware failed on verification for some stock-kernel-files (new german pre 3) on uberkernel-install
Sep 26 18:08:30 <hucksy> wtf :)
Sep 26 18:10:56 <hucksy> ramzswap.ko and xvmalloc.ko
Sep 26 18:11:22 <ka6sox> hucksy, those are for compcache
Sep 26 18:12:12 <hucksy> hm but why can't they verified?
Sep 26 18:12:24 <hucksy> its a brand new pre 3
Sep 26 18:12:30 <hucksy> (i thought ;o)
Sep 26 18:12:56 <hucksy> no modification except of some app-installs
Sep 26 18:13:10 <ka6sox> hucksy, email the log to yourself and pastebin the log please?
Sep 26 18:13:17 <hucksy> sec
Sep 26 18:16:59 <hucksy> ka6sox: http://pastebin.com/86BJzR1F
Sep 26 18:25:41 <hucksy> afk for ~15min
Sep 26 18:26:22 <ka6sox> okay hucksy make sure you have a recovery kernel on first, then go to uberkernel.
Sep 26 18:50:55 <ice8lue> hey guys. one question, is there a way to delete the extra ext3 partition without runnig the doctor again on my touchpad?
Sep 26 18:52:34 <hucksy> ka6sox: ok, with recovery kernel first it works, but that verification of stock-kernel files fails is strange anyway
Sep 26 18:55:21 <bedrock> hi, i'm trying to get the WebOS_Internals_PDK setup
Sep 26 18:55:39 <bedrock> everything seems to have gone ok, but i moved on to compiling doom
Sep 26 18:55:49 <bedrock> and i get sdl_config errors ? :(
Sep 26 18:57:21 <dwc-> ice8lue: are you familiar with linux LVM?
Sep 26 18:57:29 <dwc-> if so, use the lvm tools to delete it
Sep 26 18:57:31 <ice8lue> a bit...not much
Sep 26 18:57:57 <dwc-> and then you can resize the /media/internal partition and resize the FAT filesystem on there
Sep 26 18:58:56 <ice8lue> oh...hm will see if I get that^
Sep 26 19:00:03 <dwc-> the metadoctor wikipage also has some instructions on how to remove the ext3fs
Sep 26 19:00:50 <dwc-> (at least the english page does)
Sep 26 19:02:55 <bedrock> can anyone help me building hello ?
Sep 26 19:06:04 <webOSQuire> *wave*
Sep 26 19:06:32 <scoutcamper> *wave back*
Sep 26 19:08:02 <klausa> dtzWill: Any chance for pushing --enable-wide-chars XTerm version to Preware?
Sep 26 19:09:16 <klausa> I was using version you compiled for me for a few weeks and haven't run into any problems.
Sep 26 19:09:37 <klausa> But I see that you pushed new version into preware, and it's compiled without it.
Sep 26 19:11:02 <bedrock> make: /srv/preware/build/toolchain/i686-unknown-linux-gnu/build/i686-unknown-linux-gnu/bin/i686-unknown-linux-gnu-gcc: Command not found
Sep 26 19:11:07 <bedrock> what am i doin wrong?
Sep 26 19:11:28 <scoutcamper> bedrock, have you done a make toolchain?
Sep 26 19:11:34 <bedrock> yes
Sep 26 19:11:46 <bedrock> it's in /srv/preware/toolchain
Sep 26 19:11:59 <bedrock> but the Makefile for hello seems to have completely differen tpath
Sep 26 19:12:29 <bedrock> *different path
Sep 26 19:13:40 <jrabbit> Why are we making new x11's for each card?
Sep 26 19:13:59 <jrabbit> Doesn't one of the many x11 techs allow for multiple views or atleast mutliheading
Sep 26 19:15:34 <ka6sox> jrabbit, let me know when you can make ours do that :D
Sep 26 19:15:46 <jrabbit> ok :P
Sep 26 19:16:07 <jrabbit> I'll look into the appropriate tech sometime
Sep 26 19:27:50 <ajay_> rwhitby: make backup in metadoctor is totally a RO operation, right?
Sep 26 20:08:26 <kai_office> I'm having great success running the Ubuntu Chroot on my TouchPad. I'm not a very heavy Ubuntu user, I come with a mostly RedHat background. Unity is very new to me. I'm currently unable to get the left-side unity bar to hide. It covers the left portion of any maximized windows. Any ideas? (I followed this tutorial http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Netbook_Remix)
Sep 26 20:15:42 <summatusmentis> anyone know why eclipse would be crashing when I try to x-forward it over ssh using xecutah?
Sep 26 20:33:27 <dcat_> hello
Sep 26 20:34:30 <dcat_> I Have a problème with
Sep 26 20:34:47 <dcat_> executah
Sep 26 21:43:26 * NuttyBunny looks around
Sep 26 21:47:22 <NuttyBunny> LunohoD: ping??
Sep 26 22:13:34 <rwhitby> hucksy: you need to doctor to 3171 to match the published webOS doctor against which the kernel install is verifying
Sep 26 23:16:51 <SineOt> Just idle conjecture, but… Would it be theoretically possible to come up with a method to allow a Touchpad to basically be "multiuser?"
Sep 26 23:22:25 <LarrySteeze> sure
Sep 26 23:22:31 <LarrySteeze> in which sense do you mean though
Sep 26 23:22:50 <SineOt> Completely separated "user" accounts basically.
Sep 26 23:23:37 <SineOt> I'd imagine it could be fudged with the boot loader mounting different partitions for the user data.
Sep 26 23:24:12 <LarrySteeze> that'd be the easy way
Sep 26 23:24:40 <SineOt> Could you theoretically run two Palm Profiles on the same device?
Sep 26 23:24:55 <LarrySteeze> sure
Sep 26 23:25:02 <LarrySteeze> what do you think impostah does?
Sep 26 23:25:33 <SineOt> Magic!
Sep 26 23:26:24 <LarrySteeze> impostah is an application for people who know what it does. :-)
Sep 26 23:27:23 <SineOt> I've never paid it much attention, honestly-Given that my personal phone never got to see 2.x and my Pre2 was unactivated without a profile. :p
Sep 26 23:29:00 <LarrySteeze> And what are you using as your daily driver now?
Sep 26 23:29:18 <SineOt> A Nexus S :p
Sep 26 23:29:38 <SineOt> The Pre2 was built into a franken-Pre2 to replace her dying Pre+
Sep 26 23:37:33 <LarrySteeze> remind me, what are the guts of a nexus s?
Sep 26 23:41:41 <directhex> some chips. a bit of PCB. pixie dust. a battery
Sep 26 23:43:03 <SineOt> Cortex A8 "Hummingbird" processor, 512mb of ram.
Sep 26 23:43:33 <LarrySteeze> only 512?
Sep 26 23:43:47 <LarrySteeze> I thought it had a gig for whatever reason
Sep 26 23:44:29 <SineOt> Yeah, just 512. 16GB of internal flash though, and holy smokes is it fast for a phone. ( I think, at least )
Sep 26 23:46:19 <LarrySteeze> interesting though
Sep 26 23:46:25 <LarrySteeze> what was the release date?
Sep 26 23:46:44 <SineOt> 9 months ago, I think? So it's not exactly hot off the presses.
Sep 26 23:46:53 <LarrySteeze> hot enough
Sep 26 23:47:46 <SineOt> Yeah. Since it's part of the Nexus line even though it's that old it's still running the latest pretty much everything.
Sep 27 00:03:40 <wrea> Is there something similar to ld.so.conf for sb2 in WIDK?
Sep 27 00:24:41 <NuttyBunny> LunohoD, ping??
Sep 27 00:43:40 <Charlie> Anyone here?
Sep 27 02:36:55 <pezman726> good evening y'all
Sep 27 02:37:05 <wrea> hi
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