**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Oct 01 02:59:56 2011 Oct 01 03:22:07 ok, do I need to switch over to new testing feeds? Oct 01 03:22:30 ok, found the docs. Oct 01 03:33:42 booooosh finally signed in with my att Verizon unlocked scoreboard preplus Oct 01 03:33:47 tokens is the KEY! Oct 01 03:37:08 hmm. Running into problems with my packages Oct 01 03:39:45 When running kismet_client it cant find libpanel.so.5, but its installed and in the right location Oct 01 04:09:04 did hpalm ever explain what happened to all those folks who couldnt' log into their profiles? Oct 01 04:12:08 the what now? Oct 01 04:13:54 you mean the massive wave of login issues? Oct 01 05:49:44 I am having trouble with the funtoo port Oct 01 05:49:52 the main issue I am having is slow netowrk and slow flash Oct 01 05:49:54 the CPUs are fine Oct 01 05:50:10 I am wondering if there is a way for me to hook up an external SSD via the USB connection. It would make my life a lot easier I think. Oct 01 05:51:00 funtoo? Oct 01 05:51:31 it's like gentoo Oct 01 05:51:37 linux distro Oct 01 05:52:13 native or chroot Oct 01 05:52:57 drobbins, yes, you can, but its a somewhat hack to get OTG working as the TP does not provide Vbus Oct 01 05:53:07 OTG? Oct 01 05:53:16 On-The-Go Oct 01 05:53:24 ie host mode for the USB. Oct 01 05:53:28 ok Oct 01 05:53:33 I just need some fast IO Oct 01 05:53:48 also, the stock kernel does not support usb mass storage (external) Oct 01 05:53:50 ata over ethernet is giving me hiccups and hangs. Oct 01 05:53:56 I am using f4 Oct 01 05:54:10 I think if I had fast IO, I would have been done with the port 2 weeks ago Oct 01 05:54:10 kay I do not know whats in that one Oct 01 05:54:35 let me look @ the defconfig for that. Oct 01 05:54:36 basically I just need usb mass storage support I think Oct 01 05:54:54 I have a cute little 40GB intel SSD that's available. Oct 01 05:55:27 yes, and an external hub and a way to feed power back into the TP and the ID pin grounded in the cable. Oct 01 05:55:45 ka6sox: I have an external hub with power. Oct 01 05:55:48 so you need to get a USB-micro to A-female OTG cable. Oct 01 05:55:54 ka6sox: what is this about the cable? Oct 01 05:56:07 the cable needs to be a OTG type Oct 01 05:56:11 ka6sox: can I plug the stock plug into the hub and then plug the hdd into the hub too? Oct 01 05:56:12 with the ID pin grounded Oct 01 05:56:35 ka6sox: does this require soldering or can you buy them at monoprice, etc. Oct 01 05:56:50 monoprice does not have them Oct 01 05:56:55 I had to get mine on ebay Oct 01 05:57:03 can you find me a link? Oct 01 05:57:05 and don't bother getting it from china Oct 01 05:57:11 ya, give me a minute Oct 01 05:58:38 drobbins, thats why cross-compile :/ Oct 01 05:58:54 drobbins, you could build in tmpfs Oct 01 05:58:56 which has its own problems Oct 01 05:58:57 that might help out a little Oct 01 05:59:04 PuffTheMagic: true, tmpfs could help. Oct 01 05:59:15 esp with compcache Oct 01 06:00:03 we build oe in tmpfs Oct 01 06:00:12 (but then we are getting 128GB to do that) Oct 01 06:00:29 http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-Meter-Micro-USB-OTG-Cable-Cell-Phone-PDA-and-GPS-/350416761130?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item519677712a Oct 01 06:00:39 not cheap, but it will get there sooner Oct 01 06:00:57 you dont need much unless you are building libre :D Oct 01 06:03:12 ka6sox: oe? Oct 01 06:03:18 openembedded Oct 01 06:03:36 drobbins, i could never convince them portage/ebuilds was the way to go Oct 01 06:03:55 openembedded. Oct 01 06:04:13 ka6sox: so that cable is different than the one that came with the touchpad? Oct 01 06:04:21 ka6sox: same connectors, wired differently? Oct 01 06:04:43 no, micro-usb to female type A Oct 01 06:05:13 ka6sox: the cable you linked is micro USB to male type a Oct 01 06:05:18 then you also need a USB cable with 2 A types (one passthru) Oct 01 06:05:22 wrong one then...my bad Oct 01 06:05:56 can you get snapdragon dev boards that you can just hook a drive to? Oct 01 06:06:01 I imagine you can Oct 01 06:07:44 b-square sells some Oct 01 06:07:56 one with a APQ8060 on it Oct 01 06:08:05 (same series) Oct 01 06:08:08 http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-micro-USB-USB-Female-Cable-USB-OTG-N900-/280747086057?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item415dd490e9 Oct 01 06:08:21 that one is female Oct 01 06:08:59 I guess I don't understand why I need a special cable. Oct 01 06:09:11 what is special about having a female connector? Oct 01 06:11:16 because to let the TP know its a Host and not a Slave it needs the ID pin grounded Oct 01 06:11:51 ah ok Oct 01 06:11:58 also Oct 01 06:12:09 now, are there limits set by default on tmpfs volumes under webos? Oct 01 06:12:09 the TP needs to be powered Oct 01 06:12:15 ah Oct 01 06:12:17 yep Oct 01 06:12:29 because I just filled up tmpfs and I have lots of ram and swap left Oct 01 06:13:04 the jails take little chunks of that so it gets allocated miserly by the OS. Oct 01 06:13:45 drobbins, you should def mount your own tmpfs Oct 01 06:13:57 defaults to half the mem if no size is specified Oct 01 06:14:16 do you have a cable you might have used for powering an external USB drive from a laptop with 2 A connectors and 1 micro-B? Oct 01 06:16:16 ka6sox: nope Oct 01 06:16:25 ka6sox: but I need to buy a usb drive adapter anyway Oct 01 06:16:32 ka6sox: maybe there is a nice combo pkg somewhere. Oct 01 06:17:09 I got all my cables for host mode this week Oct 01 06:19:53 drobbins, the primary issue is that you need to insert power into the OTG cable going to the TP Oct 01 06:20:37 the easiest way to do that is to find a "y" cable with one of the USB "A" connectors having a Male on 1 side and Female on the other. Oct 01 06:20:51 otherwise you have to hack a cable :( Oct 01 06:21:25 I have a female otg, an all male y cable and a female to female adapter Oct 01 06:23:48 wrea, how do you get power out of the hub and BACK into the input? Oct 01 06:24:04 since the input port of the hub has no power. Oct 01 06:24:14 hey Oct 01 06:24:30 with ubuntu chroot, can I install flash? Oct 01 06:24:42 is n arm version distributed? Oct 01 06:24:57 siestacat: shot in the dark, but I don't think there's an ubuntu arm version of Flash so probably not Oct 01 06:25:44 For testing I plug in one part of the y to a ac adapter or usb port for power, I'll eventually build a minty boost Oct 01 06:30:00 drobbins, the issue is that the Touchpad does not provide Vbus and will "fall asleep" Oct 01 06:30:17 the TP needs to be getting power from an external source Oct 01 06:30:44 ka6sox: that is the issue with what? Oct 01 06:30:49 ka6sox: the lag? Oct 01 06:31:02 yes, powerd keeps trying to save your battery Oct 01 06:31:08 I have it plugged in Oct 01 06:31:47 lagging also happens because even plugged in they try to save power by turning the WLAN into powersaving mode Oct 01 06:31:52 are you using usbnet? Oct 01 06:31:58 nope Oct 01 06:32:07 what is usbnet? Oct 01 06:32:08 that is probably your best bet Oct 01 06:32:18 network over usb? Oct 01 06:32:24 yes Oct 01 06:32:30 then you can do AOE Oct 01 06:32:30 will it charge? Oct 01 06:32:32 yes Oct 01 06:32:35 mine does Oct 01 06:32:36 yay Oct 01 06:32:37 ok Oct 01 06:32:47 so do I pair it to a PC with usbnet? Oct 01 06:32:53 yes Oct 01 06:33:06 have a howto or can you tell me how to do it? Oct 01 06:33:28 I think the wiki has a howto. Oct 01 06:33:41 but usbnet is with the sdk? Oct 01 06:34:01 jas please. Oct 01 06:34:49 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/USBnet_networking_setup Oct 01 06:34:54 bottom one is Gentoo Oct 01 06:35:11 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/USBnet_networking_setup#Gentoo Oct 01 06:35:27 now you still want a 2A to micro UB one Oct 01 06:35:41 microUSB so you can provide 1A to the device Oct 01 06:36:00 I can't use the stock cable? Oct 01 06:36:24 what -j setting are you using? Oct 01 06:36:35 for what? Oct 01 06:36:49 compiling Oct 01 06:36:57 I haven't even gotten there yet this evening Oct 01 06:37:05 ah,okay Oct 01 06:37:06 just trying to get git working without running out of disk Oct 01 06:37:42 try AOE over this USB connection Oct 01 06:37:56 ok Oct 01 06:38:01 the wlan driver is too miserly with leaving the connection open Oct 01 06:38:02 yes if it works that will be nice Oct 01 06:38:05 yep Oct 01 06:38:12 and goes into WOL Oct 01 06:38:16 and I can hook it directly to the aoe box. Oct 01 06:38:21 yup Oct 01 06:38:26 now I need to usbnet enable on my TP Oct 01 06:38:27 right? Oct 01 06:38:40 yes, thats in that docuemtn I just showed you. Oct 01 06:38:50 yep Oct 01 06:39:07 very good Oct 01 06:39:09 rebooting TP Oct 01 06:39:24 you *could* disable powerd..but I'm not sure I would want to do that. Oct 01 06:39:43 now, stock usb cable will wokr? Oct 01 06:39:45 work? Oct 01 06:39:48 yes Oct 01 06:39:50 it should, right? Oct 01 06:39:52 YAY Oct 01 06:39:58 but it won't have enough power for sustained operation. Oct 01 06:40:05 oh Oct 01 06:40:12 can I fix taht with a usb hub? Oct 01 06:40:15 ornot reallly Oct 01 06:40:19 not really Oct 01 06:40:30 since even the hub is limited to 500ma/port Oct 01 06:40:39 a usb Y cable can do that Oct 01 06:40:49 (provide up to 1A) Oct 01 06:41:02 dumb hubs are stupid :< Oct 01 06:41:08 were are my 1.8A USB ports? :< Oct 01 06:41:21 2"A"connectors to 1 micro-b Oct 01 06:41:39 provides enough power (up to 1A) Oct 01 06:42:15 might have to tell the charger its able to get 1A though Oct 01 06:42:35 since the gadget won't report its a more than 500ma. Oct 01 06:42:42 let me poke @ that. Oct 01 06:43:29 um Oct 01 06:43:38 gentoo instructions say to run dhcpcd usb0 Oct 01 06:43:46 but no dhcpcd, I assume it should say dhclient Oct 01 06:43:59 depends Oct 01 06:44:07 you can assign a net manually Oct 01 06:44:16 probably easier Oct 01 06:44:44 these instructions seem to think that the TP will be a dhcp client and the "host" computer will be a server Oct 01 06:47:15 at least the NBD driver has improved a lot since I first started using it. Oct 01 06:47:44 but I've never been successful with doing swap over NBD. Oct 01 06:48:38 drobbins, do you have compcache enabled? Oct 01 06:49:16 ka6sox: what's compcache? Oct 01 06:49:51 ok, usbnet working Oct 01 06:49:53 nice! Oct 01 06:50:04 compressed cache using RAM Instead of Flash Oct 01 06:50:07 much much faster Oct 01 06:50:30 ah Oct 01 06:50:32 it sets aside a portion of ram for a compressed SWAP space. Oct 01 06:50:34 no I have not played with that. Oct 01 06:50:49 that should help,although optimizing that might take a bit of fiddling Oct 01 06:50:57 I will try ata over ethernet first. Oct 01 06:51:01 kk Oct 01 06:51:05 kkk Oct 01 06:51:07 卍 Oct 01 06:51:09 L!OL!L!OL!L!OL!L!OL!L!OL!L!OL!L!OL! Oct 01 06:51:18 this shouldn't have that issue Oct 01 06:51:24 word Oct 01 06:52:48 thumb in the bumb Oct 01 06:52:54 steve irwin! Oct 01 06:53:19 h2theizzo: you are a national treasure Oct 01 06:55:02 ka6sox: still a bit laggy Oct 01 06:55:10 ka6sox: may need to kick it into performance governor Oct 01 06:55:29 ya, I was going to next ask what governor are you using? Oct 01 06:56:00 Govnah can control governors, and settings for compaches Oct 01 06:56:06 compcache Oct 01 06:57:52 wrea: is it a link-time dependency or is it loaded during runtime? if the former, does ldd resolve it properly? Oct 01 06:58:23 ka6sox: yep, I have govnah Oct 01 06:58:47 Playing: "David Guetta - Love Is Gone" (128kbps - 44kHz - Stereo) Oct 01 06:59:38 drobbins, I dunno if F4 has compcache or not Oct 01 06:59:48 ka6sox: probably does Oct 01 07:00:14 you have to be in "simple" mode to enable it, then switch into advanced to control settings Oct 01 07:00:58 unixpsycho like compcache so I would think its there. Oct 01 07:01:08 dwc-, ldd shows it as /libpanel.so.5 => not found Oct 01 07:01:30 in performance mode Oct 01 07:01:52 okay, if compcache is present then govnah will find it Oct 01 07:02:01 if not it will be greyed out. Oct 01 07:02:26 testing out git again. Oct 01 07:02:29 wrea: see what happens if you LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/dir/with/lib kismet_client Oct 01 07:02:34 memory looks good. Oct 01 07:03:01 or LD_... ldd kismet_client even Oct 01 07:03:08 if you stay away from catalog apps then your memory should stay good. Oct 01 07:03:27 since catalog apps run in jails Oct 01 07:04:10 also a lot of services may be resident that you are not using either. Oct 01 07:04:20 yep Oct 01 07:04:30 did you kill luna? Oct 01 07:04:34 nope Oct 01 07:04:38 memory is ok though. Oct 01 07:04:42 kk Oct 01 07:04:43 512MB free and 1GB swap Oct 01 07:05:02 kill luna... that'll free up a lot of memory :P Oct 01 07:05:04 for glibc it wasn't enough ;( Oct 01 07:05:41 ok Oct 01 07:06:01 are you building a stage1 or? Oct 01 07:06:06 dwc-, yep, that does it Oct 01 07:06:10 ka6sox: all of 'em Oct 01 07:06:13 1 2 and 3 Oct 01 07:06:21 kk Oct 01 07:06:24 but I am just looking to make some progress Oct 01 07:06:36 this should get you going. Oct 01 07:06:47 AOE works okay over USBNET. Oct 01 07:06:47 git is generating a lot of IO now Oct 01 07:06:51 I am letting it sit. Oct 01 07:06:57 I'll bet. Oct 01 07:07:25 ksdioirqd is taking up a good deal of CPU Oct 01 07:07:33 disk io IRQs? Oct 01 07:07:38 yep Oct 01 07:07:44 oh wait Oct 01 07:07:58 might be SDIO<>USB Oct 01 07:08:02 wrea: next time you rebuild, add -R/dir/with/lib to your LDFLAGS Oct 01 07:08:12 ka6sox: hrm? Oct 01 07:08:26 need to re-read the boardfile Oct 01 07:08:54 if its writing to the SD you didn't want that right? Oct 01 07:09:12 dwc-, I'll be trying that, thanks Oct 01 07:09:21 wrea: that will add /dir/with/lib to the list of directories it'll search for libraries Oct 01 07:10:34 ka6sox: right Oct 01 07:10:46 ka6sox: that seems to freeze things Oct 01 07:11:25 poor IRQ controller. Oct 01 07:11:51 if you are staying out of swap then I dunno. Oct 01 07:12:04 hrm Oct 01 07:12:38 somewhere I read that they use SDIO to talk to USB but I might be off on that. (looking in boardfile now) Oct 01 07:12:45 git is plodding along Oct 01 07:12:54 just had to spend 3-5 mins just sitting there. Oct 01 07:13:26 git is working fine now. Oct 01 07:13:28 my checkouts larger things take that long on the TP too. Oct 01 07:13:44 a few 100K inodes Oct 01 07:13:45 :) Oct 01 07:13:49 he he Oct 01 07:14:02 I would kill luna before you try to compile anything large. Oct 01 07:14:05 git finished Oct 01 07:14:25 so I think all I'll need is a usb y-cable and a clue on what to do with it. Oct 01 07:14:41 could you guide me through that again, slowly? Oct 01 07:14:57 I just need something to get power to the thing I guess Oct 01 07:15:12 I need to look @ the usb gadget code and charger code to find out how to make the charger think it has a 1A source. Oct 01 07:15:52 ka6sox: and what's your background? Oct 01 07:16:06 you seem to know a lot Oct 01 07:16:11 VHDL/Verilog programmer. Oct 01 07:16:17 I appreciate your help Oct 01 07:16:17 and I dabble in kernels. Oct 01 07:16:35 so your are familiar with embedded boards and all that stuff Oct 01 07:16:57 yes, I design boards (mostly the VHDL bits) Oct 01 07:17:17 but have been playing with micros since the 4040 Oct 01 07:18:28 did you know that the Intel 5500 and 5600 series CPUs suck? Oct 01 07:18:59 they have bugs Oct 01 07:19:03 I am switching over to AMD Oct 01 07:19:10 what CPU doesn't? Oct 01 07:19:14 bad bugs Oct 01 07:19:17 f00f Oct 01 07:19:26 like, disable all C states and C1E or your system is unstable Oct 01 07:19:31 don't think AMD cpus don't have bugs either ... Oct 01 07:19:33 and no microcode fix Oct 01 07:19:34 yikes. Oct 01 07:19:34 or, haven't Oct 01 07:19:57 Intel has gotten really bad. Oct 01 07:20:08 a microcode fix would be nice... but not coming :( Oct 01 07:20:20 we use AMD on our infra. Oct 01 07:21:45 ka6sox: I am making progress with the port now. Oct 01 07:22:05 just need to get some cables ordered so I can power this thing and I should be good. Oct 01 07:22:54 yes, you will need that cord, and I will need to find what will make the charger think it has more power. Oct 01 07:25:56 drobbins, the biggest draws are going to be the backlight on the screen Oct 01 07:26:04 which is a GPIO pin Oct 01 07:26:21 writing to FLASH Oct 01 07:26:40 good thing there is no GSM/CDMA radio on board...thats awful too Oct 01 07:26:54 also turn off the audio (constant ugly draw) Oct 01 07:27:33 you just need USB/CPU/Memory Oct 01 07:28:40 patch -p1 < kernelpatch-3.0.2.txt Oct 01 07:35:57 drobbins, minimum for the charger is 750ma Oct 01 07:36:01 which may be enough. Oct 01 07:36:31 especially with screen off, and all other things secured you don't need. Oct 01 07:38:41 back Oct 01 07:38:55 ka6sox: can I tell if it's charging from the shell? Oct 01 07:39:03 ka6sox: I didn't see the charging indicator come on Oct 01 07:39:13 (top right of screen, battery icon) Oct 01 07:39:22 it's plugged into the front of a 2U server Oct 01 07:41:19 battery says it's at 100% but doesn't have the lightning bolt through it Oct 01 07:41:24 ya, we need to fake it out, and tell it that it has 900ma Oct 01 07:41:30 the it probably is charged up Oct 01 07:41:40 the fuelguage is good on these. Oct 01 07:41:55 and the battery is like 35% of the volume inside. Oct 01 07:41:59 its huge Oct 01 07:42:31 3.7v @ 6000mah Oct 01 07:43:08 unless is off of green you wont' see any charging indicator Oct 01 07:45:06 http://www.amazon.com/StarTech-3-Feet-Cable-External-Drive/dp/B0047AALS0/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1317454924&sr=8-3 Oct 01 07:45:17 that one will provide 1A to the charger Oct 01 07:45:55 a production TP wants about 900ma minimum according to the boardfile. Oct 01 07:46:23 ka6sox: do you know if a TP will actually try to request more from a host? Oct 01 07:47:06 SineOt, not that I've seen...but I haven't really dug too deep into the USB Gadget code. Oct 01 07:47:40 any modern Mac can do at the least 1.2A over USB, but the TP won't charge off of my Mini :/ Oct 01 07:48:09 SineOt, likely because the Gadget reports it as being only 500ma capable Oct 01 07:48:21 so we will need to fake that tou. Oct 01 07:48:22 out Oct 01 07:48:24 don't most OSes need a driver for the device to report/enable extra current draw? Oct 01 07:48:31 yes Oct 01 07:48:37 thats the issue Oct 01 07:48:45 do the novacom drivers do that? Oct 01 07:48:46 i guess not Oct 01 07:48:48 the TP I don't think asks for it. Oct 01 07:48:55 no, they are communications only Oct 01 07:49:16 hmm ok Oct 01 07:49:18 this has to be in the USB gadget code to report to the charger what is available. Oct 01 07:49:42 if the data pins are shorted together its 1 thing Oct 01 07:49:49 shorted to ground is another. Oct 01 07:50:15 and all that gets reported upstream to the charger code to set the mode pins on the charger correctly Oct 01 07:50:26 ah ok Oct 01 07:52:01 back Oct 01 07:52:08 wb Oct 01 07:52:46 back Oct 01 07:53:13 and back Oct 01 07:53:14 :) Oct 01 07:53:20 so, how do I use that y cable Oct 01 07:53:36 one is power, one is data? Oct 01 07:53:42 so I plug both in to the PC? Oct 01 07:54:04 both of the non-micro ends? Oct 01 07:55:09 I'll check the stock calbe in the morning Oct 01 07:55:19 if it's still at 100%, I probably don't need this. Oct 01 07:55:29 it has 2ea A cabled Oct 01 07:55:31 cables Oct 01 07:55:35 one is power only Oct 01 07:55:44 other is data + power Oct 01 07:55:51 other end is micro-b Oct 01 07:55:56 and TP is micro-b? Oct 01 07:56:02 correct Oct 01 07:56:08 which is different from mini Oct 01 07:56:11 yes Oct 01 07:56:14 ok :) Oct 01 07:56:27 I"ll add it to my cart in case I need it tomorrow Oct 01 07:56:42 ka6sox: thanks so much for your help - the funtoo port (and our embedded support in general) is back on track! Oct 01 07:57:01 okay their charger code only knows if its a AC or USB charger Oct 01 07:57:19 so we need to fake it out to think its on an AC one if you start having trouble. Oct 01 07:57:28 drobbins, glad to hear it. Oct 01 07:59:00 man there are like 10k ansi/DEV/VT* escape codes Oct 01 07:59:10 PuffTheMagic, yup Oct 01 08:00:13 well i have all the graphics modes except blink working, much of the cursor movement but there are some issues, i dont have all the erase/insert/delete line/chars stuff right yet though Oct 01 08:00:47 that will drive you buggy Oct 01 08:16:25 well...I managed to completely hoze up my wife's pre2...anything that uses LS bus is failing. Oct 01 08:16:46 I hope I can get it into usb mode Oct 01 08:17:09 (well I can poke storaged and get it do do that.) Oct 01 09:40:52 can i launch the captive portal app manually ??? because on my pre- (2.0) start correctly but not always, on my pre 3 it never start so in some wifi network i can't connect because if i start web browser before be redirected to the login page i receive no internet connection error :( Oct 01 10:17:43 dm__, the captive portal app doesn't render bt openzone logins for me :( Oct 01 10:26:11 mm with pre- captive portal work on my wifi network ... Oct 01 10:26:26 but with pre 3 no captive portal notification :( Oct 01 12:04:39 is there a way to completely remove all Govnah/Profile related settings? it seems that there's something messed up here... when selecting a profile in Govnah, it takes a moment then the selection shows only "Unknown" and the CPU speed goes down to 368.64MHz... tried a lot of things like selecting the ondemand, ondemandtcl, userspace governor etc but it looks like there's something messed up in the Govnah Oct 01 12:04:39 settings Oct 01 12:05:44 btw: running a Pre3 + UberKernel 2.2.0-5 Oct 01 12:10:42 reinstall govnah? Oct 01 12:17:12 hucksy|tp: already tried this.. I thought there might be some settings stored somewhere causing this Oct 01 12:17:39 but I just ran a 'find / -iname "*govnah*"' and didn't get any matches pointing towards this Oct 01 12:17:51 only some tweaks, MS, SaveRestore stuff ec. Oct 01 12:18:14 also re-installed UberKernel Oct 01 12:18:20 rebooted between each re-install etc. Oct 01 12:20:04 hm kay, then no idea, reinstall worked for me Oct 01 12:20:44 filesystemsearch doesnt help because all data are stored in db-files Oct 01 12:24:56 hucksy|tp: sury, was just looking for a matching govnah sqlite file but it seems they're stored in a sqlite file used by all apps Oct 01 12:25:05 s/sury/sure/g Oct 01 12:25:05 eliasp meant: hucksy|tp: sure, was just looking for a matching govnah sqlite file but it seems they're stored in a sqlite file used by all apps Oct 01 12:25:26 :) yep Oct 01 12:25:53 hucksy|tp: do you know which one? I don't fear using sqlite to delete the settings ;) Oct 01 12:26:39 uhm, sec Oct 01 12:32:42 hm sorry, its to long since i played with that db-files... :-/ Oct 01 12:41:23