**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Oct 05 02:59:58 2011 Oct 05 03:00:30 yes, weboszilla. Oct 05 03:03:17 Do you have a link? I can't find it on webos-internals or google Oct 05 03:05:46 weboszilla.org Oct 05 03:05:52 anyone? :) Oct 05 03:06:14 how can i change my apn settings? im on the plus 1.4.5 Oct 05 03:06:33 do i need to be in devmode? Oct 05 03:06:35 its a ppp setting, right. Oct 05 03:06:59 oc80z: me? Oct 05 03:07:16 i want to mms to send pictures Oct 05 03:07:36 i tried to google: change apn 1.4.5 Oct 05 03:07:50 and its the first return. Oct 05 03:09:19 oc80z: thanks..im in the usa Oct 05 03:12:56 mmm, mms stuff, always fun Oct 05 03:13:35 weboszilla.org doesn't seem to exist, and google doesn't have record of it? Oct 05 03:13:56 dwc-: how can i set it up? Oct 05 03:14:16 not a clue. I've only used 2.x and later Oct 05 03:14:46 I'd have to google mms settings webos 1.4.5 and make wild guesses Oct 05 03:16:13 ive been googling but cant find anything :( Oct 05 03:16:42 Isn't there a page on the internals wiki about using it on unsupported carriers? Oct 05 03:17:13 http://www.google.com/search?q=mms+settings+webos+1.4.5 Oct 05 03:17:14 SineOt: dont know..i am on tmobile though Oct 05 03:17:17 http://community.giffgaff.com/t5/Help-Ask-the-community-got-stuck/giffgaff-Palm-Pre/td-p/3783 Oct 05 03:17:21 seems to turn up a handful of things on precentral Oct 05 03:17:31 this says that i need to go to preferences. but i dont see it Oct 05 03:18:25 alot of sites tell you they changed the apn but none tell you how Oct 05 03:18:49 that's how I changed it in 2.x Oct 05 03:18:56 if it was in 1.3, I dunno why it'd be gone in 1.4 Oct 05 03:19:10 im on 1.4.5 Oct 05 03:20:37 dwc-: what carrier? Oct 05 03:21:45 tmobile Oct 05 03:22:37 dwc-: oh..thats what im on...on the top left corner where you see tmobile...do you have a drop menu? Oct 05 03:22:46 yes... but I also have 2.1.0 Oct 05 03:23:02 oh ok Oct 05 03:23:07 i dont have a drop menu :( Oct 05 03:24:07 i have a dropmenu at the right side where the battery is Oct 05 03:24:13 but not the other side Oct 05 03:24:21 looks like maybe you have to edit a sqlite database Oct 05 03:24:32 oh...where is that? Oct 05 03:24:50 http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre-pre-plus/260124-3g-proxy-settings-webos-1-4-5-a.html Oct 05 03:24:54 bunch of reading in there Oct 05 03:25:17 one of the comments links to another thread with more instructions Oct 05 03:25:33 but I have no idea how well it works Oct 05 03:26:43 dwc-: that site doesnt tell you how Oct 05 03:26:47 but thank you Oct 05 03:27:01 it links to a post that does Oct 05 03:27:32 sorry im not seeing it Oct 05 03:28:17 links to a thread "Anywayz, just managed to get the data to work, so I thought I'd let you know. I tried to explained how here" Oct 05 03:28:30 plenty of reading there Oct 05 03:28:47 including the first post of the thread Oct 05 03:28:51 but again Oct 05 03:29:08 I have no idea whether it works, I have no device that could be tried on Oct 05 03:29:48 dwc-: thanks...i see it now Oct 05 03:32:37 yeah...all they say is they edited the Open the carriernetworksettings database but not how Oct 05 03:34:22 ... did you read the first post of that thread? Oct 05 03:35:04 yes Oct 05 03:35:08 and the second Oct 05 03:35:20 looks pretty step-by-step to me Oct 05 03:35:27 really? Oct 05 03:35:35 i doesnt tell me where... Oct 05 03:35:44 i guess for some reason i dont have that menu Oct 05 03:35:50 opps..it Oct 05 03:36:40 Step 1) Copying the carrier network database file to your PC Oct 05 03:36:44 you don't see that? Oct 05 03:37:03 crap..my brower crashed :( Oct 05 03:37:13 doh! Oct 05 03:38:00 sorry which link is that agin? Oct 05 03:38:47 use your browser history, or search it out again Oct 05 03:39:32 fter editing the CarrierNetworkSettings.db3 file to include my provider, Oct 05 03:39:40 that file? Oct 05 03:39:57 whatever it says? I have no clue. I've never done it Oct 05 03:41:15 dwc-: ok thanks Oct 05 04:00:08 howdy guys, anyone know of any good documentation I can find on the kernel compliation process? I want to add some kernel modules to the uberkernel build and I'm.. a bit at a loss where to start, perhaps I need to understand how the build process works Oct 05 04:00:43 there's a "building apps and kernels" wiki page Oct 05 04:03:16 Shorty_, what modules? Oct 05 04:03:52 Shorty_, http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Building_Apps_and_Kernels Oct 05 04:05:18 dwc-: thanks again..ill have to read some more since its not making sense..but thanks :) Oct 05 04:20:16 wrea: Shorty_ is wanting to add usb audio support for pulseaudio Oct 05 04:21:35 wrea: that seems to pull the source down, patch it and compile it for me Oct 05 04:21:40 not *quite* what I had in mind :P Oct 05 04:21:53 I'd like to modify it first :P Oct 05 04:22:02 Shorty_: it's an exectable specification of how to compile kernel modules Oct 05 04:23:16 I'm not following, sorry? Oct 05 04:23:31 Shorty_: the Makefiles show exactly how the kernels are built. Oct 05 04:24:52 Shorty_: in essence, it's no different from a normal kernel build, except we point to a cross-compilation toolchain and stage the modules in a specific directory structure for packaging Oct 05 04:56:53 http://pastebin.com/yQwQTFaQ Can someone take a look at that and tell me what's wrong? Oct 05 04:57:11 what is all that BS from tweaks? Oct 05 04:57:40 The problem is my email wont open any messages... get a generic "could not download message" error Oct 05 04:57:52 TP Oct 05 05:16:06 no BS, the app is jailed Oct 05 05:21:48 kill_dano: run 10 PDK games and then look at mounts again Oct 05 05:22:06 ok thanks Oct 05 05:22:06 are there any gotcha's i should know about with at&t pre3 in aus? Oct 05 05:22:40 hewball_: which carrier? Oct 05 05:22:49 telstra Oct 05 05:22:57 should be fine. did you get it unlocked? Oct 05 05:23:05 about to buy one rwhitby Oct 05 05:23:45 rwhitby, also http://pastebin.com/AYbg54Bn that is the output of Var/log/messages right after I try to open an email and get the error. Oct 05 05:24:08 kill_dano: run the EFW Oct 05 05:24:20 Thanks Oct 05 05:30:19 rwhitby: are you aware of carrier restrictions in the app catalog? Oct 05 05:30:54 (for US users) Oct 05 05:31:39 wait, nevermind Oct 05 05:37:42 Thanks a lot, rwhitby. EFW fixed it. Oct 05 05:49:23 log1x, i finally got the person who made the thai keyboard patch Oct 05 05:49:25 it works like a dream Oct 05 06:01:26 nice mputtr Oct 05 06:03:52 now my mom is on the touchpad all the time Oct 05 06:04:03 she can type all the thai she wants now lol Oct 05 06:14:44 anyone have any ideas how to fix this? trying to palm-install something, and it fails... invoking ipkg per the log gives more details as to why it fails, but I'm not sure I understand what it's looking for... http://pastebin.com/0DxzVAh7 Oct 05 06:16:43 Anyone know what GPS chipset is used in the Pre2/Pre3? Oct 05 06:30:58 it's part of the modem chipset Oct 05 06:36:41 rwhitby: thanks Oct 05 07:04:21 is there a way to spoof browser so you could play words with friends on facebook, maybe with impostah??? Oct 05 07:07:14 webosinterla images in prepare don't load but others do. Think openings is blocking them...ideas? Oct 05 08:14:25 PuffTheMagic: you ther e? Oct 05 08:15:37 bhuey, 4am Oct 05 08:23:16 oh he's EST got it Oct 05 08:25:32 nowhere near sandy acre :D Oct 05 08:36:47 4am? but but... grad student Oct 05 08:38:31 I fold up when lawrence welk is over... Oct 05 09:21:06 got touchpad to control ableton live with puredata :) Oct 05 09:32:33 is it possible to have multitouch on touchpad + ubuntu Oct 05 09:33:21 Douilspee, maybe, not worked that out yet Oct 05 09:33:47 that would require some fancy footwork we haven't sorted yet Oct 05 09:34:16 okok ya i can imagine this is not key feature :) Oct 05 09:34:33 first, xrandr support Oct 05 09:35:59 i use eyestroke and like it, but is there some other tablet oriented apps ? Oct 05 10:17:37 yeah, spoofing the browser for some sites would certainly be nice Oct 05 10:22:15 hi guys - have a problem with my whole audio system on pre2 2.1. It won't put out/in any audio not music no ringtone no speech, no microphone. Additionally no headset ouputput works (ghastly headset app does not recognise any mode says: "Current Media Mode is: " "Currect Phone Mode is: "). moving the ringerswitch does not bring up any icon, also volume rockers bring up no volume OSD. I hope it to be a software/drive curropti Oct 05 10:22:38 but i can't get the webosrepairtool to run with 2.1 Oct 05 10:23:33 patches all removed by EPR Oct 05 10:24:16 is there a way to scan the md5 of all files with the 2.1 doctor without really doctoring? Oct 05 10:24:18 gizmo21: sounds like a doctor is needed, alternatively check the headset jack inner connection first Oct 05 10:24:43 gizmo21: there is an md5sums file in / Oct 05 10:30:13 ah same is in the doctor: \webOSDoctor\resources\webOS\nova-cust-image-roadrunner.rootfs.tar\nova-cust-image-roadrunner.rootfs/md5sums.gz Oct 05 10:30:33 i'll try an quick diff on those 2 Oct 05 10:32:17 how can i connect with pacmd to the pulseaudio server? PULSE_RUNTIME_PATH=/var/run/pulse pacmd doesn't work Oct 05 10:33:02 or some other ideas why my pmedia sink is "dead", like no music, and phone not working unless i turn on speaker mode? Oct 05 10:39:39 so those two md5sums files are identical (pre2 on / and doctor on /nova-cust-image.roadrunner.rootfs/) so is this md5sums file written on every device restart or is it just always the same as the doctors and i would have to generate my own md5sum on every file? Oct 05 12:20:30 oh well as i didn't see much difference after md5summing my files ( http://forums.precentral.net/webos-development/207103-md5sums-check-pre.html), i looked to directly manipulating die audio startup and the lower one here worked: http://forums.precentral.net/webos-development/291528-app-request-stop-start-pulseaudio.html#post3164427 Oct 05 12:20:50 stop pulseaudio; stop audiod; start pulseaudio; start audiod; systemSoundsLoader Oct 05 12:23:27 it still isn't active after reboot, but i put the line in a shellscript so it it ok for now. don't know yet why the whole soundsystem fails at start up but works after stop/start. anyone know in which files it it usually started? Oct 05 12:34:12 does anzone know hwne the new synergy with icq polugins will come for the tpo> Oct 05 13:13:15 rofl Oct 05 13:35:03 How do I make the keyboard go away in the chroot/terminal? Oct 05 13:52:37 Hey Oct 05 13:52:48 Could someone help me with Preware? Oct 05 13:53:21 i could Oct 05 13:53:50 It won't install Oct 05 13:53:58 Using the Quick installer Oct 05 13:54:04 It's just stuck on installing, what gives? Oct 05 13:54:18 dunno Oct 05 13:55:57 Seb_: enabled developer mode? Oct 05 13:56:39 Yes Oct 05 13:57:48 well. palm-install from sdk worked for me :D Oct 05 14:04:45 How long is it suppose to be at "Installing Preware" on the Quick installer? Oct 05 14:05:44 not long i suppose Oct 05 14:17:31 does the touchpad have a gps? Oct 05 14:22:47 Seb_: nope. Oct 05 14:29:59 Seb_: there is an app in preware to turn your phone into an external bluetooth gps for the touchpad Oct 05 14:30:00 would be a nice project to replace the mojolocation service with something that can use other gps devices via bluetooth Oct 05 14:31:31 the sdk even has an example to use bluetooth gps devices Oct 05 14:32:48 and they work Oct 05 14:32:53 look for the app in preware Oct 05 14:33:05 PreGo GPS Oct 05 14:49:59 PatrickC: the major problem is not the sharing of the gps, but using it on the tp. afaik only "maptool" does it right now. Oct 05 14:59:48 maptool pro works great though, but the bluetooth device needs to have gps in the name Oct 05 15:01:30 even supports caching of maps, so no 3g data required too Oct 05 15:55:50 does webOS doctor back up my apps locally or does it use hp's built in backup system? Oct 05 15:59:06 after a doctor all apps are redownloaded again, they are not backed up themselves. only certain bits of data of each app is backed up Oct 05 16:01:10 connection issues. do you know if it backs up homebrew apps too? Oct 05 16:02:23 it only backs up small bits from them, not entire apps. save/restore from preware backs up more data from apps, but still not the full apps themselves. Oct 05 16:03:13 I tried save/restore from preware but since I had to reinstall it the backups it contained were gone Oct 05 16:04:27 my tp gave itself a factory reset and I'm lookin for ways to back up my stuff in case it happens again Oct 05 16:40:52 Good evening, could I ask here if the vitual keyboard used by the touchpad could be changed, rewritten or replaced? Oct 05 16:41:26 with what you get through the sdk or without some hackery which require deep knowledge of the inner workings. Oct 05 16:42:01 Google didn't seem helpful on the subject, so I'm asking here. Oct 05 16:52:33 is it a known webos bug that the pre3 sometimes plays sound on headphones *and* speakers? Oct 05 16:54:40 what headphones are you using? Oct 05 16:54:58 I noticed this issue on my TP with apple iphone-mic headphones Oct 05 16:55:29 I was able to turn it off by clicking the mic button Oct 05 16:57:39 philips in-ear Oct 05 16:58:26 hrm Oct 05 16:58:56 I did have that problem on my TP, but like I said, I was able to turn it off Oct 05 16:59:43 hucksy|tp, occasionally. Oct 05 16:59:50 hucksy|tp, likely a pulseaudio bug Oct 05 17:00:26 very very annoying bug ;) Oct 05 17:00:36 UTSL! Oct 05 17:02:06 UTSL? Oct 05 17:02:16 use the source, luke! Oct 05 17:02:32 ah ;) Oct 05 17:03:30 pulse 0.9.22 is used on pre3 Oct 05 17:04:03 check their bug tracker for fixes since then Oct 05 17:06:22 unfortunatly i'm not able to compile and/or replace webos components by myself... so i have to wait HP deos that :-/ Oct 05 17:10:35 well, the tp uses 0.9.22, anyone have an issue with that problem on it too? Oct 05 17:44:08 hi Oct 05 17:44:24 i would like to know how to remove my backup data from my webos account Oct 05 17:44:43 so that i can format my TP and restart from scratch, no restauration Oct 05 17:55:50 BinouZ: Device Info, Reset Options, Erase Apps & Data ? Oct 05 17:59:05 BinouZ: hmm but you can erase the backup first with the steps here: http://kb.hpwebos.com/wps/portal/kb2/mobile/common/article/19388_en.html Oct 05 17:59:24 Backup, Off, Turn Off And Erase Backup Oct 05 17:59:30 doesn't impostah allow deletion of backups? Oct 05 19:04:57 hey guys Oct 05 19:05:16 can someone confirm if using webosdoctor flashes the kernel back to stock as well? Oct 05 19:09:36 DarkAlchemist: Yes. it does. Oct 05 19:10:37 thanks dude Oct 05 19:40:08 doctor = nuke from orbit Oct 05 19:43:14 what about partitions? I thought at least some times it didn't modify them Oct 05 19:44:00 linuxjacques: /media/internal survives in some situations (ie doctoring the same version) Oct 05 19:44:43 I *think* the rest get rebuilt Oct 05 19:49:05 That was my experience. Everything that wasn't added media got nuked. Oct 05 19:49:23 But as soon as you log in, the apps repopulate except Preware and related Oct 05 20:02:48 is there a way to build for the emulator from linux? It seems WIDK can't or I don't understand how... Oct 05 20:10:39 the widk got me a i686 compiler in the toolchain directory Oct 05 20:10:42 but I've never used it Oct 05 20:15:38 phone app crashes ls-bus Oct 05 20:15:43 sad but true. Oct 05 20:18:28 ? Oct 05 20:19:16 dwc-: did you have to sb2-init something for i686? Oct 05 20:34:05 dwc-, i've got one too Oct 05 20:34:31 I don't think so Oct 05 20:34:42 I have a native 32-bit compiler so I would probably just use that Oct 05 20:51:21 if you're not going to build anything to test with an emulator, then it can probably be removed Oct 05 21:09:36 [4 Oct 05 21:09:38 fuck. Oct 05 21:09:39 sorry. Oct 05 21:09:48 okay... Oct 05 21:10:35 lol Oct 05 22:03:20 i coule use a little help using webos doctor if someone has a second? Oct 05 22:03:31 coule = could Oct 05 22:04:54 I have downloaded the proper webos doctor file for the hp touchpad. I want to edit the make file so i can create the ubuntu partition...however the directions keep saying i need to edit the 'Makefile'...which i cannot seem to locate. Help please... Oct 05 22:04:54 PEAP MSCHAPv2 it's a no no on the veer right? i ve been trying all sort of stuff on my college and i can't find a way Oct 05 22:06:14 jredman: which instructions are you following (exact URL please) Oct 05 22:07:41 folks Oct 05 22:08:18 PuffTheMagic: ping Oct 05 22:08:19 several... but mostly http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor#Step_1:_Setting_up_Meta-Doctor_Step_1: Oct 05 22:11:47 bhuey, ya? Oct 05 22:12:56 SORRY, got disconnected! Oct 05 22:14:13 Anyway, using these directions basically: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/UbuntuChroot#Instructions with some other supplemental stuff. Just don't know how to edit the 'makefile Oct 05 22:15:23 jredman: when you clone the meta-doctor, the Makefile is in the meta-doctor directory that is created Oct 05 22:16:41 i just downloaded the file from the website... is it in the .jar file? Oct 05 22:19:57 git clone Oct 05 22:20:05 it's in the instructions Oct 05 22:20:11 you can't do it on windows Oct 05 22:20:18 i'm on a linux box Oct 05 22:20:31 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor#Linux Oct 05 22:20:50 At step 6 of that section, you should see a Makefile Oct 05 22:21:42 Ahh...found it now! Oct 05 22:21:58 * rwhitby bbl Oct 06 00:32:14 Hello...could really used some help fixing some messed up partitions on my touchpad... Oct 06 00:33:03 And I have a question about webos doctor if anyone has time?? Oct 06 00:33:30 jredman: what partitions are messed up? Oct 06 00:33:57 oh, i failed somewhere trying to install ubuntu...and my ext3fs is at 25gb... Oct 06 00:34:17 problem is...i was just following instructions and not quite sure how to revert back. Oct 06 00:34:20 that's pretty big... Oct 06 00:34:29 I thought webosdoctor would reset partitions but it didn't... Oct 06 00:34:39 u have link to those instructions? Oct 06 00:35:30 if not, no prob. Oct 06 00:35:48 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/UbuntuChroot#Instructions Oct 06 00:36:06 i used the manual option...and did something wrong. Oct 06 00:36:25 jredman, what "manual" instructions Oct 06 00:36:32 ok.. can u novaterm into it... Oct 06 00:36:39 but is there not a simple way to format the whole thing? Oct 06 00:36:40 scroll down to the bottom Oct 06 00:36:42 yeah, i'm in it now Oct 06 00:36:53 (read all directions before starting) Oct 06 00:37:06 manual - i typed them through novaterm. auto - use the webosdoctor image. Oct 06 00:37:28 do a "lvm.static lvs" Oct 06 00:37:53 ok Oct 06 00:38:10 what's it show for sizes of the ext3fs and media partitions? Oct 06 00:38:35 (logical volumes, actually) Oct 06 00:38:58 ext3fs is 25.53 Oct 06 00:39:04 media is 2g Oct 06 00:39:47 that will probably fail sooner than you would like Oct 06 00:39:59 huh? Oct 06 00:40:16 making /media/internal that small. Oct 06 00:40:21 depends on whether he plans to install many apps Oct 06 00:40:26 ok, do a "df -h /media/ext3fs" Oct 06 00:40:35 (checking to see if it's mounted)... Oct 06 00:41:06 jredman, all installable apps use space in /media/internal Oct 06 00:41:14 in the form of cryptofs. Oct 06 00:41:18 cant find mount point Oct 06 00:42:00 ok, hold on a sec.. Oct 06 00:42:34 ...why is cryptofs used so much, again? Oct 06 00:42:50 dtzWill, because ALL installable apps live there. Oct 06 00:42:55 * dtzWill unclear on what it's protecting//who from Oct 06 00:42:58 ka6sox-away: right right, but why? Oct 06 00:43:03 what size is /media/internal from the factory? Oct 06 00:43:07 its the webOS way Oct 06 00:43:07 prob. easiest way is to blow away the ext3fs, add it's space back to media and then redo the instructions... Oct 06 00:43:21 okay...how do i do that? :) Oct 06 00:43:25 why don't we just ditch cryptofs entirely, can't be helping i/o :P Oct 06 00:43:31 doitdoitdoit Oct 06 00:44:06 halfhalo, please. Oct 06 00:44:34 dtzWill, preware installs stuff in there, every app that gets installed uses it. Oct 06 00:44:34 so... first what was the space used by ext3fs again? Oct 06 00:44:50 ka6sox-away: i understand that it _is_ used by everything/everyone Oct 06 00:44:57 Take a look at capabilities and security. It'll make more sense then. Oct 06 00:45:05 let me mention this...i did try to run webos doctor with it set to create a ext3fs partition right before i got on IRC...so it may have created another 2gb partition that isn't active...not sure how to check. Oct 06 00:45:07 but...what's the motivation? what would happen if one (assuming one were able) just ripped out cryptofs entirely Oct 06 00:45:09 25.53gb Oct 06 00:46:08 dtzWill, because ipkg installs stuff there. Oct 06 00:46:28 and its the only place with enough space(usually) Oct 06 00:46:29 >.< i mean why do webos devices employ cryptofs at all as part of their design Oct 06 00:46:31 do a "lvm.static lvremove ext3fs" Oct 06 00:47:17 and cryptofs is used because it creates the environment to allow USB mode to happen so you can see your /media/internal on your computer to save you from a MESS. Oct 06 00:47:26 versus another ext3? probably trying to strike a balance between app space and usb-accessible space Oct 06 00:47:32 volume group "ext3fs" not found Oct 06 00:48:03 dwc-, its expandable and disconnectable. Oct 06 00:48:03 sorry, try "/dev/mapper/store-ext3fs" instead of "ext3fs" Oct 06 00:48:15 they already tried using /var and that failed. Oct 06 00:48:15 ah, more a ext3f2-on-fat solution than anything security related. Oct 06 00:48:34 right Oct 06 00:48:38 no, a disconnectable solution. Oct 06 00:48:45 (without limitations of a loop image, etc) Oct 06 00:49:09 we have put loop images in it...for optware and other chrooted things. Oct 06 00:49:30 but, daemons will croak and other issues will happen when it gets disconnected. Oct 06 00:49:45 its doing something... Oct 06 00:49:57 loops also can't grow beyond the max file size of the backing partition Oct 06 00:50:53 dwc-: (that's the limitation i was mentioning, indeed) Oct 06 00:50:53 the reason we don't use loops inside of cryptofs as a preferable solution is that the things running in the chroot have issues with being disconnected. Oct 06 00:51:08 if that works ok, then "lvm.static lvresize -L +25.53G /dev/mapper/store-media" Oct 06 00:51:40 well it just seems like it has the whole, you know crypto part, so it's presumably adding something in that department. Oct 06 00:52:26 protects someone from grabbing your device in usb mode..and...reading your palm profile/app data? Oct 06 00:52:27 novaterms still locked up, think its running (hope it is at least) Oct 06 00:52:39 dtzWill, the real benefit is the ability to disconnect filehandles and allow the disconnection to take place. Oct 06 00:52:52 crpyto is a side benefit. Oct 06 00:53:09 give it a little bit... Oct 06 00:53:30 so Media is default primary partition? Oct 06 00:53:53 ka6sox-away: don't see what the filesystem has to do with a policy to close filehandles on usb mode Oct 06 00:54:01 does cryptofs in some capacity facilitate that more than other things? Oct 06 00:54:03 not sure what u mean by 'primary partition' ... it's the big one, normally Oct 06 00:54:06 dtzWill, it *suspends* them. Oct 06 00:54:15 thats what i meant... not 'primary' Oct 06 00:54:32 dtzWill, then picks them back up again as if nothing happened. Oct 06 00:55:23 jredman, /dev/mapper/store-media is mounted as /media/internal Oct 06 00:55:27 right, but why does *cryptofs* make that any more possible than.... any other solution. i understand that's how they've rigged it, but _why_ that solution from various others Oct 06 00:55:39 ask HPalm.... Oct 06 00:55:51 and its deeply embedded into the system. Oct 06 00:56:19 ka6sox-away: yeah, i'm not suggesting we try to remove it (why??) Oct 06 00:56:40 but it wasn't inately embedded, some smart folk at palm decided it made sense outta the possibilities Oct 06 00:56:48 okay, the issue is that I do believe that 2GB is too small for /media/internal Oct 06 00:56:50 and was hoping to tease out the reasoning on that :) Oct 06 00:57:06 jredman, I am using an 8GB ext3fs Oct 06 00:57:11 with 3 chroots in it. Oct 06 00:57:24 and tons of space left. Oct 06 00:57:32 (and optware too) Oct 06 00:57:35 as soon as i get this back to normal, thats what i'd like to try... Oct 06 00:58:00 didn't mean to make it 25gbs... Oct 06 00:58:28 hopefully it will be okay when you finish resizing Oct 06 00:59:45 really apprecaite the help by the way, you guys Oct 06 01:00:04 jredman, right now would be a good time to use novaterm to do this: Oct 06 01:00:06 /usr/sbin/fsck.vfat /dev/mapper/store-media Oct 06 01:00:14 see if your FS is intact. Oct 06 01:00:28 novaterm is locked up...waiting for resizing to finish Oct 06 01:00:48 oh, okay thats not good. Oct 06 01:00:48 So, what is FS? Oct 06 01:00:51 filesystem Oct 06 01:01:06 jredman: did the lvremove finish and now it's doing the lvresize? Oct 06 01:01:14 no, remove Oct 06 01:01:34 i can close and try to relauch novaterm Oct 06 01:01:41 humm, wouldn't think it'd take that long... but haven't removed a 25Gb volume before, so.... ? Oct 06 01:02:18 I wouldn't close the one already running... Oct 06 01:02:32 not quite yet, anyway Oct 06 01:02:39 ok Oct 06 01:03:39 i don't understand why i cant format it all and let webosdoctor redo it...but doesn't look like webos does that Oct 06 01:04:03 it won't touch the ext3fs if it's already there... Oct 06 01:04:08 I think... Oct 06 01:05:29 hello badfrog Oct 06 01:05:45 hello Oct 06 01:07:24 so while i'm waiting a praying...another question. I haven't seen a native install of ubuntu yet; it all works from within webos. why is that? i know android is close...but if we can reset so many settings, why hasn't someone got it to run w/o webos? Oct 06 01:10:46 jcsullins Still sitting here...Hmmm Oct 06 01:11:17 jcsullins, it won't treat it as a virus and blow it away Oct 06 01:11:22 I would expect that after after android for touchpad is release it wouldn't be too long before native ubuntu.. just guessing.. Oct 06 01:11:31 I don't know how meta-doctor will treat it. Oct 06 01:12:11 doctor/meta-doctor seems to not erase existing "foreign" lvm volumes... (at least for me) Oct 06 01:12:38 i read something about having to novaterm into the system during the webosdoctor during certain percetages and then you can set partitions there. i guess webosdoctor doesn't do that Oct 06 01:13:35 yeah, I guess there might be tricks to do it... but just running it doesn't seem to do it.. Oct 06 01:13:38 had I have seen this "howto" before I would have marked it as TOXIC. Oct 06 01:13:59 jredman: still going? Oct 06 01:14:05 yeah... Oct 06 01:14:22 humm.. Oct 06 01:14:46 can u do a novaterm from another window? Oct 06 01:15:02 jcsullins, you have anything on /media/internal you can't live without? Oct 06 01:15:06 no, won't let me select it. i'm running it via quicklaunch Oct 06 01:15:20 oh, Oct 06 01:15:26 then all bets are OFF. Oct 06 01:15:51 quicklaunch? not familiar with that Oct 06 01:15:58 bingo! Oct 06 01:16:16 right now we have NO idea as to what is happening... Oct 06 01:16:30 it might be eating the entire flash for all we know...but we can't know. Oct 06 01:17:13 [18:12] jcsullins, you have anything on /media/internal you can't live without? Oct 06 01:17:13 can u cancel it? (i.e. Ctrl-C) Oct 06 01:17:22 i just did. Oct 06 01:17:35 ka6sox-away: it's not my tp that we're working on... Oct 06 01:17:43 sorry, Oct 06 01:17:49 jredman, same question Oct 06 01:18:12 jredman, you have anything on /media/internal you can't live without? Oct 06 01:18:12 ? Oct 06 01:18:20 jredman: can u get a novaterm prompt back? Oct 06 01:18:23 no Oct 06 01:18:32 booting up linux box, one second Oct 06 01:18:34 jredman, no to whaihc question? Oct 06 01:18:39 which question? Oct 06 01:18:58 no, there's nothing on it i need to keep Oct 06 01:19:53 then I suggest you just start over, and use the method that is known to work. Oct 06 01:20:35 he needs to have the ext3fs volume gone (and the space it's claiming) gone first, I think... Oct 06 01:21:13 lvremove /dev/mapper/store-ext3fs Oct 06 01:21:24 I don't use the static version (not necessary) Oct 06 01:21:34 it may be symlinked there anyways. Oct 06 01:23:08 but that proceedure has NO safety net in it. Oct 06 01:24:21 jredman: if u can get a prompt up, try a 'lvs' to see what it looks like... Oct 06 01:25:16 okay...i thought i had novacom working on my linux box earlier...not sure how ot launch it htough now Oct 06 01:25:58 novaterm Oct 06 01:26:03 novaterm doesn't work? prob. need to start the novacomd, if not... Oct 06 01:26:09 and see if it finds a device when its hooked up Oct 06 01:27:30 you're right, i type novaterm...geez, that was too easy Oct 06 01:27:31 okay Oct 06 01:27:36 i'm in Oct 06 01:27:42 lvs Oct 06 01:27:55 ext3fs is still there Oct 06 01:28:06 sizes and all look same as before? Oct 06 01:29:00 jredman, a pastebin of that lvs would be helpful Oct 06 01:29:10 also, before you waste much more time. Oct 06 01:29:28 ext3fs 25.52G / filecache 136.00 / log 24.00 / media 2.00G / mojodb 256.00 / root 568.00 / swap 512.00 / update 16.00 / var 64.00 Oct 06 01:29:38 /usr/sbin/fsck.vfat /dev/mapper/store-media Oct 06 01:30:07 Is my math off, or does that not add up to 32? Oct 06 01:30:11 make sure its not broken and needs to just *start* over. Oct 06 01:30:17 it won't Oct 06 01:30:54 dosfsck 2.11, 12 mar 2005, fat32, lfn Oct 06 01:31:07 there's other "real" partitions out there too... Oct 06 01:31:17 like 13 others Oct 06 01:31:35 . /dev/mapper/store-media: 6388 files, 56237/523269 clusers Oct 06 01:32:07 If i set webosdoctor to create a 2gb partition but hadn't activated it and went through webosdoctor...how could we see if that is there? Oct 06 01:32:51 you mean after running doctor? Oct 06 01:33:00 yea... Oct 06 01:33:21 df -h /media/ext3fs I think would tell ya well enough Oct 06 01:33:34 b/c i created my own webosdoctor and changed the makefile so it should have made that partition. but i did that AFTER i made the original ext3fs by hand. Oct 06 01:33:48 well, that would tell ya if it was mounted... the "lvs" would tell ya if the logical volume was created Oct 06 01:34:01 tell us more about things you make with your hand Oct 06 01:34:14 yeah, I don't think it'll touch it if it's already there... Oct 06 01:34:29 okay...so next, try to delete again? Oct 06 01:34:33 yeah Oct 06 01:36:26 LOL, that worked. so that java novacom piece from windows 7 sucked...thats why it iddn't work. I didn't even see the confirm y/n option from the windows box Oct 06 01:36:47 ahh.. do a 'lvs' again... Oct 06 01:36:56 hi LarrySteeze Oct 06 01:37:31 its gone, just what i listed before now Oct 06 01:37:47 what's 'media' show? Oct 06 01:37:54 2 g Oct 06 01:38:02 do the other lv.static option? Oct 06 01:38:37 the lvresize? Oct 06 01:38:43 yep Oct 06 01:39:39 lvm.static lvresize -L +25.53 this wants a logical volume name, where do i list that? //dev/mapper/store-media at the end? Oct 06 01:39:48 yeah Oct 06 01:39:59 wait Oct 06 01:39:59 no Oct 06 01:40:03 thats wrong Oct 06 01:40:06 waiting Oct 06 01:40:07 oh? Oct 06 01:40:19 you will only increase it by 25.53MB Oct 06 01:40:31 yeah, 25.53Gb Oct 06 01:40:34 that should be all of it Oct 06 01:40:35 yeah, 25.53G Oct 06 01:40:57 +25.53GB Oct 06 01:41:09 but if you want so to short circuit all this Oct 06 01:41:14 ahh! Oct 06 01:41:20 just increase it by 17.53GB Oct 06 01:41:42 then recreate the ext3fs partition. Oct 06 01:41:44 okay, then we'll create the ext3fs Oct 06 01:42:02 you have a number of steps before you get there however. Oct 06 01:42:10 none of which are documented. Oct 06 01:42:23 okay; media at 19.53 now Oct 06 01:42:43 fyi...my tp is booted up; should it be in that diag mode? Oct 06 01:42:44 vgs? Oct 06 01:42:54 jredman, not necessary Oct 06 01:43:01 sinc you are in this deep already Oct 06 01:43:05 ok :) Oct 06 01:43:06 just don't be running any applications Oct 06 01:43:18 I mean nothing Oct 06 01:43:39 k... next step? Oct 06 01:43:43 and just for grins and giggles Oct 06 01:44:08 pkill -SIGUSR1 cryptofs Oct 06 01:44:25 done Oct 06 01:44:26 this will make sure (once again) that its offline and you won't blow stuff up. Oct 06 01:44:40 okay now you have to resize the vfat Oct 06 01:45:15 but first Oct 06 01:45:17 not unmount /media/internal first? Oct 06 01:45:46 if you were doing this with /media/internal mounted then we potentially have bigger issues. Oct 06 01:46:09 umm...ok... Oct 06 01:46:24 umount it Oct 06 01:46:30 and then : /usr/sbin/fsck.vfat /dev/mapper/store-media Oct 06 01:46:30 done. Oct 06 01:47:07 jcsullins, jump in any time! Oct 06 01:47:15 lol Oct 06 01:47:39 did the fsck come back clean? Oct 06 01:47:44 what am i looking for in those results from fsck? Oct 06 01:47:51 pastebin them please. Oct 06 01:48:16 dosfsck 2.11, 12 Mar 2005, FAT32, LFN Oct 06 01:48:24 no, I mean @ pastebin.com Oct 06 01:50:03 (or your favourite pastebin) Oct 06 01:50:31 pastebin.com/db4dmynf Oct 06 01:51:34 hmmm...nothing there. Oct 06 01:51:51 its an online clipboard thing and I don't see anything Oct 06 01:53:46 its there... Oct 06 01:53:48 anyway: Oct 06 01:53:53 dosfsck 2.11, 12 Mar 2005, FAT32, LFN Oct 06 01:54:27 . /dev/mapper/store-media: 6388 files, 56237/523260 clusters Oct 06 01:54:50 thats it? Oct 06 01:55:45 yes Oct 06 01:56:05 no errors then Oct 06 01:56:08 thats good. Oct 06 01:56:29 so I would say that you can proceed with the fatresize Oct 06 01:57:45 okay. so i don't mess it up this time...why am i resizing? Oct 06 01:58:17 the container (the Logical Volume) is much larger than the formatted filesystem Oct 06 01:58:28 the filesystem is only 2GB Oct 06 01:58:42 and the Container (Logical Volume) is 19.53GB. Oct 06 01:58:46 gotcha Oct 06 01:59:17 resizefat /dev/mapper/store-media 19.53GB Oct 06 01:59:18 ? Oct 06 01:59:59 I always leave a little wiggle room but some people just firewall it. Oct 06 02:00:13 it won't blow up most likely Oct 06 02:00:29 I kind of throw away a few 10's of MB. Oct 06 02:00:40 make it a bit smaller. Oct 06 02:00:46 ka6sox-away: was getting some food... and looks like you're doing just fine... :) Oct 06 02:01:10 so I'd resizefat /dev/mapper/store-media 19G Oct 06 02:01:42 or 19.23 or whatever (as long as it isnt' bigger) Oct 06 02:02:13 cool, done Oct 06 02:02:26 okay now you can create your ext3fs lv Oct 06 02:02:38 pvs Oct 06 02:02:45 that will tell you whats "free" Oct 06 02:03:03 or pvscan as its fully known as. Oct 06 02:03:47 btw, before u mount it, make sure nothing has already been put under /media/ext3fs ... Oct 06 02:03:51 i am almost exclusively in ubuntu chroot wm when i use my tp Oct 06 02:04:49 jredman, how much free space is there? Oct 06 02:04:59 8gb Oct 06 02:05:18 it's writing suberblocks and filesystem accounting information now Oct 06 02:05:19 okay, and you are satisfied with the size of your SWAP space? Oct 06 02:05:39 should i not be...? Oct 06 02:05:46 up to you. Oct 06 02:06:01 it's good Oct 06 02:06:12 For now at least... Oct 06 02:06:25 okay, the fatresize is done? Oct 06 02:07:02 yea, i've done lvcreate, its good Oct 06 02:07:04 or were you already making your ext3fs Oct 06 02:07:07 mkfs is done Oct 06 02:07:11 okay Oct 06 02:07:17 ready to mount now i think Oct 06 02:07:22 rerun the vfat check Oct 06 02:07:26 Hmmm, has nuttybunny worked on messagingplugins at all on enyo? Oct 06 02:07:35 the mojo ones don't work on the touchpad still :\ Oct 06 02:08:11 check before mount: "ls /media/ext3fs" Oct 06 02:08:12 /usr/sbin/fsck.vfat /dev/mapper/store-media Oct 06 02:08:27 still good as far as i can tell; no errors Oct 06 02:09:17 its done with that check? Oct 06 02:09:41 yes Oct 06 02:09:59 and you are @ step 10? Oct 06 02:10:05 yea Oct 06 02:10:28 you already remounted rw? Oct 06 02:10:42 yes... Oct 06 02:10:59 grep ext3fs /etc/fstab Oct 06 02:11:43 . /dev/mapper/store-ext3fs /media/ext3fs auto noatime 0 0 Oct 06 02:11:50 okay so its there already Oct 06 02:12:16 finish the directsion and reboot? Oct 06 02:12:29 remount ro and either mount -a or reboot Oct 06 02:12:58 did u 'ls /media/ext3fs' before mounting? Oct 06 02:13:19 some packages put stuff under that dir... Oct 06 02:14:08 jredman, did you have Optware installed before you started this? Oct 06 02:14:12 i typed lvm on accident; how do i get it off that command? Oct 06 02:14:20 ctrl-c Oct 06 02:14:22 i did not Oct 06 02:14:31 good. Oct 06 02:14:41 because this howto missed that critical step Oct 06 02:15:44 OK...rebooting...then we will see if it worked Oct 06 02:16:10 u guys are awesome tho... i was almost there just don't know my linux commands very well and got worried Oct 06 02:16:13 it might not mount cleanly the first time...dunno why but it just doesnt' mount /media/ext3frs the first time. Oct 06 02:17:15 that howto is missing a number of critical steps to make sure that you don't mess up your device. Oct 06 02:17:49 hmmm...novacom isn't connecting now Oct 06 02:18:44 there it goes Oct 06 02:18:46 give it time Oct 06 02:18:48 ya Oct 06 02:19:00 needs to get past the pivotroot and get novacomd running Oct 06 02:19:12 so...lvs looks good Oct 06 02:19:23 mount | grep ext3fs Oct 06 02:19:49 jredman, do you have edit access to the wiki? Oct 06 02:19:58 doubt it Oct 06 02:20:17 sign up and I will promote you to be able to edit it. Oct 06 02:21:24 then you can add what you learned to the proceedure to make it safer and easier for the next guy :D Oct 06 02:21:57 that way the next guy can hopefully not have to go thru what you did. Oct 06 02:22:04 BTW...you did very very well. Oct 06 02:22:19 for a while I thought we were going to have to docrot. Oct 06 02:22:22 doctor. Oct 06 02:23:27 I did doctor twice before i got on here...didn't fix issues :( Oct 06 02:23:40 I jsut signed up... Oct 06 02:23:46 what username? Oct 06 02:23:52 jredman Oct 06 02:24:19 respond to the email and I will promote you. Oct 06 02:24:21 thanks Oct 06 02:24:32 can u promote me too? :) Oct 06 02:25:25 k, done... Oct 06 02:26:19 jcsullins, did you respond to the email? Oct 06 02:26:34 u mean when signing up? Oct 06 02:26:53 yes, Oct 06 02:26:58 yeah Oct 06 02:27:31 jredman, try to make a simple edit on that page and save? Oct 06 02:27:46 jcsullins, after he is done, refresh that page and try the same? Oct 06 02:27:52 but wait till he is done. Oct 06 02:29:01 worked! Oct 06 02:29:14 okay jcsullins your turn. Oct 06 02:29:18 but refresh first. Oct 06 02:30:04 jredman, please add....@ the top, that you *must* remove Optware before you start this proceedure. Oct 06 02:30:59 that whole top section is awful. Oct 06 02:31:11 because its bound to fail. Oct 06 02:33:07 everything down to the "table of contents" is very very out of order. Oct 06 02:33:07 ok, worked Oct 06 02:33:29 updated Oct 06 02:34:36 hmmm Oct 06 02:36:56 okay...so, i've got ubuntu and everything installed...lets see if it'll work Oct 06 02:37:52 should Oct 06 02:38:19 I really want to "nuke" the loop method, its full of FAIL. Oct 06 02:38:33 looks like it...whats the command to launch gui? Oct 06 02:38:37 but I'm sure I'll get a lot of wailing and gnashing of teeth. Oct 06 02:38:44 what gui? Oct 06 02:38:59 there isn't one when you first install it. Oct 06 02:39:00 ohh...well, let me install one then Oct 06 02:50:42 ka6sox-away: new accoutns don't get edit access anymore? Oct 06 02:54:23 dwc-, nope, why would I want to give the wikispammers freedom to destroy my wiki? Oct 06 02:54:35 I dunno, I didn't create mine that long ago Oct 06 02:54:52 maybe someone was just really fast at approving me Oct 06 02:55:09 username? Oct 06 02:55:19 dwc Oct 06 02:55:23 shocker Oct 06 02:55:40 no, I thought shocker is your username Oct 06 02:55:48 mebe Oct 06 02:56:00 dwc-, and you could edit up to now? Oct 06 02:56:13 look at my meager supply of contributions **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Oct 06 02:59:56 2011