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Oct 06 03:00:38 <ka6sox-away> did you use captcha to edit or just save?
Oct 06 03:01:36 <ka6sox-away> dwc-, please try to edit a page now, and tell me if you get captcha or not?
Oct 06 03:01:56 <dwc-> I got a captcha every single frickin time
Oct 06 03:02:07 <ka6sox-away> as it should be
Oct 06 03:02:23 <dwc-> sure, if you want to drive away the people who are trying to contribute
Oct 06 03:02:46 <ka6sox-away> hwo about now?
Oct 06 03:02:56 <ka6sox-away> dwc-, you weren't promoted.
Oct 06 03:02:59 <ka6sox-away> thats why.
Oct 06 03:03:06 <ka6sox-away> try now please?
Oct 06 03:03:14 <dwc-> hold
Oct 06 03:03:26 <ka6sox-away> (nice hold music playing in the background)
Oct 06 03:04:05 <dwc-> To help protect against automated edit spam, please type the two words you see in the box below:
Oct 06 03:04:19 <ka6sox-away> okay, thats fine...
Oct 06 03:04:19 <ka6sox-away> jas
Oct 06 03:04:37 <ka6sox-away> abandon that edit please
Oct 06 03:04:39 <dwc-> # (User rights log); 03:02 . . Ka6sox (Talk | contribs) changed group membership for User:Dwc from Editors and human to (none)
Oct 06 03:04:42 <ka6sox-away> and start a different one.
Oct 06 03:05:10 <ka6sox-away> I am trying to debug this.
Oct 06 03:05:20 <dwc-> ok
Oct 06 03:05:25 <ka6sox-away> since that isn't correct for the settings you had.
Oct 06 03:07:08 <dwc-> nope, still captcha'd
Oct 06 03:07:17 <dwc-> though, let me make sure this page "exists" first
Oct 06 03:07:25 <dwc-> just to make sure we're talking about the same perms
Oct 06 03:08:23 <ka6sox-away> thank.s
Oct 06 03:09:58 <dwc-> nope, editing my userpage it wants me to figure out how to type this math equation
Oct 06 03:10:10 <ka6sox-away> dwc-, this is one of the trickiest balancing acts going.
Oct 06 03:10:12 * dwc- reloads for a captcha that doesn't require integrals or greek letters
Oct 06 03:10:32 <ka6sox-away> making it so that the wikispammers don't *own* your wiki
Oct 06 03:10:42 <ka6sox-away> but making it easy enough for humans.
Oct 06 03:11:07 <dwc-> I think some wikis set a higher bar for links that contain url-likes
Oct 06 03:11:15 <dwc-> s/links/edits/
Oct 06 03:11:16 <infobot> dwc- meant: I think some wikis set a higher bar for edits that contain url-likes
Oct 06 03:12:08 <dwc-> I agree. and I also would agree that there is insufficient resources to leave it open and rely on human editors to revert
Oct 06 03:14:40 <ka6sox-away> dwc-, this time go thru to completion on your edit please?
Oct 06 03:14:43 <rrix> hmmm, if I install the 2.x messagingplugins and import a 2.x account, it won't log in, but wosi's imlibpurpletransport is still started
Oct 06 03:14:52 <ka6sox-away> ie go thru the captcha and satisfy it .
Oct 06 03:15:50 <dwc-> ok, done
Oct 06 03:17:29 <dwc-> btw, might not be a bad thing to put in a way for humans to be acknowledged as passing the turing test somehow
Oct 06 03:17:29 <ka6sox-away> okay one more time please.
Oct 06 03:17:34 <ka6sox-away> this should be the last test.
Oct 06 03:17:51 <ka6sox-away> if you can this time then I am really not understanding what is happening.
Oct 06 03:17:58 <dwc-> if I can what?
Oct 06 03:18:17 <ka6sox-away> edit *anything*
Oct 06 03:18:45 <dwc-> do you want me editing in the main namespace instead of my userspace? (e.g. are the rules the same?)
Oct 06 03:18:54 <ka6sox-away> yes, main space please.
Oct 06 03:19:03 <dwc-> oh...
Oct 06 03:19:07 <ka6sox-away> that I have to figure out.
Oct 06 03:19:23 <dwc-> I've been editing in the User namespace
Oct 06 03:19:36 <ka6sox-away> by rights...I don't want *any* edits till approved. otherwise we could end up with a giant mess.
Oct 06 03:19:48 <dwc-> I'll make a new page and edit that and then you can purge it from history later
Oct 06 03:20:08 <ka6sox-away> you shouldn't be able to do that..if you can then the wiki is broken...bady
Oct 06 03:20:11 <ka6sox-away> badly
Oct 06 03:21:02 <dwc-> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Test
Oct 06 03:21:06 <dwc-> added (captcha)
Oct 06 03:21:55 <dwc-> edited (CAPTCHA: vet ntkshes)
Oct 06 03:22:02 * dwc- hasn't run a ksh on NT in ages
Oct 06 03:24:59 <ka6sox-away> dwc-, okay try to create another, and edit one please.
Oct 06 03:26:23 <ka6sox-away> when I promote you the captcha should be *off*
Oct 06 03:26:28 <ka6sox-away> which is what I'm debugging.
Oct 06 03:26:39 <dwc-> captcha'd both times
Oct 06 03:27:01 <dwc-> do I need to relog?
Oct 06 03:27:13 <ka6sox-away> no, its PHP
Oct 06 03:27:18 <ka6sox-away> should do it IMMEDIATELY
Oct 06 03:27:27 <dwc-> well, I was thinking more that perhaps they stuff something into the session
Oct 06 03:27:48 <ka6sox-away> it should look @ user rights management *every* time.
Oct 06 03:35:12 <dwc-> ahh, well..
Oct 06 03:45:09 <ka6sox-away> dwc-, I hope we can sort all this out.
Oct 06 03:46:16 <ka6sox-away> only because there are like 4 overlapping things controlling this.
Oct 06 03:59:53 <ka6sox-away> dwc-, you should be able to edit the wiki without a captcha now.
Oct 06 03:59:55 <dwc-> well, I don't mind helping testing, but a sockpuppet would probably be faster feedback for you
Oct 06 04:00:23 <ka6sox-away> once I solve this for you then I solve it for everyone
Oct 06 04:00:39 <dwc-> well
Oct 06 04:00:43 <dwc-> you are somewhat right
Oct 06 04:00:47 <dwc-> I dont' get captchas
Oct 06 04:00:56 <dwc-> but... I also don't seem to have edit privs
Oct 06 04:01:12 <dwc-> Test2
Oct 06 04:01:13 <dwc-> From WebOS Internals
Oct 06 04:01:13 <dwc-> for Test2
Oct 06 04:01:13 <dwc-> Jump to: navigation, search
Oct 06 04:01:13 <dwc-> You do not have permission to edit this page, for the following reason:
Oct 06 04:01:14 <ka6sox-away> okay I forgot to push the button
Oct 06 04:01:15 <dwc-> You are not allowed to execute the action you have requested.
Oct 06 04:01:18 <dwc-> You can view and copy the source of this page:
Oct 06 04:01:41 <ka6sox-away> after pushing the button you should be able to create and edit
Oct 06 04:08:11 <ka6sox-away> well...we fixed it alright...
Oct 06 04:08:14 <ka6sox-away> heh
Oct 06 04:08:27 <dwc-> spam problem... solved!
Oct 06 04:08:51 <ka6sox-away> yup, nobody can create or edit
Oct 06 04:08:56 <ka6sox-away> solved!
Oct 06 04:13:34 <wrea> lol
Oct 06 04:30:50 <ka6sox-away> interesting..devmode password. :D
Oct 06 04:31:43 <rwhitby> don't set it
Oct 06 04:41:13 <Minal> Guys does any one know apps for Youtube and skype
Oct 06 05:16:18 <crimsonredmk> it's good to know that clueless trolls wander into not only my irc room
Oct 06 05:23:35 <dwc-> except I suspect that wasn't a clueless troll
Oct 06 05:23:59 <dwc-> that's probably someone with a recent webos device looking for the native apps
Oct 06 05:24:08 <dwc-> perhaps an hp employee even
Oct 06 05:24:20 <Log1x> lol
Oct 06 05:35:04 <Naranek> I got five youtube apps with my Pre3. I could have easily given him one...
Oct 06 10:08:07 <directhex> rwhitby, what's wrong with setting a devmode password?
Oct 06 10:09:59 <rwhitby> directhex: nothing in general, but wait until you're finished with doctoring and activating and impostahing and anything else before doing it.
Oct 06 10:10:21 <rwhitby> since it's a leading cause of people having problems with old novacom drivers and such
Oct 06 10:41:26 <bhuey> rwhitby: you in the states now ?
Oct 06 10:51:30 <rwhitby> bhuey: nope, not until next week
Oct 06 10:51:32 <rwhitby> https://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=184372741636879
Oct 06 13:44:26 <manolisgr> hi all
Oct 06 13:45:13 <manolisgr> #webos-general
Oct 06 14:11:50 <hmmmm> hmh
Oct 06 14:12:12 <hmmmm> so i just installed this amigo media player, and there's no way to add files to the playlist
Oct 06 14:12:16 <hmmmm> what on earth
Oct 06 14:14:13 <krisp> hola amigo
Oct 06 14:14:50 <hmmmm> hola
Oct 06 14:18:52 <hmmmm> and i just tried an online radio application
Oct 06 14:19:07 <hmmmm> it's almost as if the only things that work are native linux applications
Oct 06 14:21:24 <dwc-> only what things that work
Oct 06 14:22:03 <hmmmm> applications
Oct 06 14:22:46 <dwc-> on what?
Oct 06 14:23:01 <hmmmm> touchpad
Oct 06 14:39:46 <Log1x> :[ had to doctor my touchpad from the chomper android thign
Oct 06 14:39:47 <Log1x> lol
Oct 06 14:52:36 <sonofskywalker3> Guess i'm in the wrong place. is there a good channel for asking webos development questions?
Oct 06 14:53:21 <jtrucks> sonofskywalker3: #webos
Oct 06 14:53:28 <sonofskywalker3> Thanks jtrucks
Oct 06 14:53:34 <jtrucks> :)
Oct 06 14:54:33 <hape> hmmmm: For internet radio on TP try UberRadio or TuneInRadio. Both works well
Oct 06 14:55:04 <sonofskywalker3> pandora website works well too, but i wish they had a TP app
Oct 06 14:55:56 <hape> hmmmm: For a good player try Music Remix. Best player on webos. Playlist can not be chnages on webosdevice as the lsits are mentained by the media indexer. Music Remix has itss one playlist (call Flylists) that you can mentain on the device
Oct 06 15:06:40 <hmmmm> media indexer? ah..
Oct 06 15:06:58 <hmmmm> is there anything i can do to control the media indexer, then?
Oct 06 15:08:04 <hmmmm> it does not support this version of webos
Oct 06 15:08:17 <hmmmm> but the one in the "app catalogue" does
Oct 06 15:08:22 <hmmmm> which is $4
Oct 06 15:09:02 <hape> hmmmm: or lost fm http://forums.precentral.net/webos-homebrew-apps/229570-lostfm-7.html#post3180985
Oct 06 15:10:36 <hape> hmmmm: The media indexer is a webos internal background demon that collects all you music and playliats. All Player apps asks this service for the music on the device. Mojo apps do not have direct write access to the files on your disk for decurity resons
Oct 06 15:18:14 <hmmmm> i need to sign up to get lostfm?
Oct 06 15:18:17 <hmmmm> ..
Oct 06 15:27:13 <hape> hmmmm: jep, a free account is working for me
Oct 06 15:28:07 <hape> or do you mean Precentral?
Oct 06 16:38:10 <Douilspee> yo
Oct 06 16:38:30 <Douilspee> on touchpad, the debian chroot works as well as the ubuntu ?
Oct 06 16:39:12 <ka6sox-away> as in they both work or they both work equally well?
Oct 06 16:50:47 <Loudergood> the debian one actually works a little better for me
Oct 06 16:51:01 <Loudergood> I seem to like making the ubuntu one crash
Oct 06 16:51:15 <Loudergood> of course, this is on my phone
Oct 06 21:38:24 <Darkmagister> i have bought a touchpad, but before it arrive i want to know if the catalog is geo restricted like for the phone or not, and if yes, is it possible to bypass this ?
Oct 06 21:39:17 <klausa> It is.
Oct 06 21:39:45 <Darkmagister> but how he understand where you are ?? from wifi ??
Oct 06 21:39:59 <klausa> From your CC# and adress.
Oct 06 21:40:45 <klausa> You can get free apps, but you'll hit the wall if you want to buy them.
Oct 06 21:41:03 <klausa> Unless you can produce CC from one of the 'valid' countries.
Oct 06 21:41:16 <Darkmagister> cc#???
Oct 06 21:41:49 <klausa> Credit Card number.
Oct 06 21:42:33 <rwhitby> Darkmagister: for touchpad, you choose your country at startup
Oct 06 21:42:54 <rwhitby> first startup
Oct 06 21:42:56 <Darkmagister> i also have a pre 3 but i can't have here in italy paid app.... and with the bypass activation and impostah i have some problem with the reast of the features of palm profile
Oct 06 21:43:28 <Darkmagister> ok so if i choose the "wrong" country i can buy app if i also have a for example us cc ?
Oct 06 21:43:35 <rwhitby> for the Pre 3, you didn't follow the instructions which say to do a full erase and then log in normallt at the end
Oct 06 21:43:46 <rwhitby> yes
Oct 06 21:43:58 <rwhitby> I run the US catalog on my TouchPad in Australia
Oct 06 21:44:02 <rwhitby> and use a US debit card
Oct 06 21:44:13 <Darkmagister> and if i doctor the tp i can re change it ?
Oct 06 21:44:22 <Darkmagister> maybe for the future :D
Oct 06 21:44:24 <rwhitby> maybe
Oct 06 21:44:35 <Darkmagister> mmmm
Oct 06 21:44:52 <Darkmagister> ok because now i don't have any us credit card
Oct 06 21:44:56 <Darkmagister> or similar
Oct 06 21:45:04 <Darkmagister> but i can use some promo code for example
Oct 06 21:45:33 <rwhitby> you need a valid credit card entered to use a promo code.
Oct 06 21:46:22 <Darkmagister> the pre 3 i boot it up bypass activation with #*DEVMODE# after this installed impostah, go to activation add my profile info and selected france and english
Oct 06 21:46:37 <Darkmagister> activate and ok it's work i have paid app
Oct 06 21:47:24 <Darkmagister> but on accounts app i don't have my palm profile, and i can't restore my old app and data from the back up made with my pre- 2.0 version
Oct 06 21:48:07 <Darkmagister> i also tried to remove the palm profile dr skipped firstuse but i can't add another account
Oct 06 21:48:23 <rwhitby> did you do what the instructions say?
Oct 06 21:48:42 <rwhitby> or are you not following any instructions?
Oct 06 21:49:06 <Darkmagister> yes i follow some instruction (maybe written by you) on pre central forum
Oct 06 21:49:24 <rwhitby> have you specifically done step 15 of http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/281075-global-paid-app-catalog-access-new-unlocked-gsm-pre-2-pre-3-veer-using-impostah.html ?
Oct 06 21:49:25 <Darkmagister> http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/281075-global-paid-app-catalog-access-new-unlocked-gsm-pre-2-pre-3-veer-using-impostah.html
Oct 06 21:49:37 <rwhitby> step 15. have you done it?
Oct 06 21:50:05 <Darkmagister> hell no :(
Oct 06 21:50:18 <Darkmagister> i didn't turned off the back up
Oct 06 21:50:45 <Darkmagister> if i do this i lost all my data on palm profile true?
Oct 06 21:51:08 <Darkmagister> but most important ... can i re do it ??? or it's to late ?
Oct 06 21:52:54 <Darkmagister> i do all the how to say only not do the backup off and full erase... only a redoctored and sign in normaly :(
Oct 06 21:58:39 <rwhitby> If you don't do step 15, the procedure is not complete.
Oct 06 21:59:14 <Darkmagister> ok but now that i do some more stuff ...i can finish the procedure ?
Oct 06 21:59:30 <rwhitby> you can do step 15 at any time.
Oct 06 21:59:47 <rwhitby> as long as you do all of it
Oct 06 22:00:09 <Darkmagister> so now i can turn off back up and erase device and re doctor it and i have my catalog working ?
Oct 06 22:00:15 <Darkmagister> woow :D
Oct 06 22:01:15 <rwhitby> depends how you activated it the first time
Oct 06 22:01:30 <rwhitby> step 15 does not change app catalog restrictions
Oct 06 22:02:05 <rwhitby> that happened irrevocably in step 10
Oct 06 22:02:18 <Darkmagister> another question i don't know if it's possible ... and also legal to have a credit card from us i i didn't live there ,
Oct 06 22:02:24 <rwhitby> although there are reports that you can use a touchpad profile to change it later
Oct 06 22:03:17 <rwhitby> There are no restriction on who can be the recipient of a www.simon.com visa gift debit card.
Oct 06 22:03:24 <rwhitby> (which is what I use)
Oct 06 22:03:40 <Darkmagister> yes i chose france and i see the app catalog full of app :D the problem is that i don't have any credit card from any place allowed
Oct 06 22:03:42 <rwhitby> I suspect credit cards have some conditions.
Oct 06 22:04:09 <Darkmagister> so i choose france because i live in italy and maybe they add it to the list
Oct 06 22:04:19 <rwhitby> some folks report that http://www.usunlocked.com/ works for them
Oct 06 22:04:53 <Darkmagister> but the question is now that i have activated the pre3 as france, i change to us so i can use the gift debit card that you link before ?
Oct 06 22:38:25 <Darkmagister> ok i have to go :D thanks for your help ;) cu here ;)
Oct 06 22:40:52 <roxfan> http://www.the-digital-reader.com/2011/10/06/hp-touchpad-go-clears-the-fcc/
Oct 06 22:46:29 <dwc-> could just mean that it got submitted before it was killed
Oct 06 22:47:29 <dwc-> july 26, aug 10
Oct 06 22:54:01 <linuxjacques> yeah, they probably had a secrecy hold on it and it was supposed to be available now
Oct 07 00:43:44 <Xuzzers> Ohai roxfan
Oct 07 00:57:52 <siestacat> when installing user-agent change
Oct 07 00:57:58 <siestacat> <siestacat> "cp : write error no space left on device"
Oct 07 01:04:14 <rwhitby> sounds like you've filled the tiny root partition
Oct 07 01:04:54 <rwhitby> what instructions are you following (exact URL please)
Oct 07 01:07:48 <siestacat> rwhitby
Oct 07 01:07:53 <siestacat> http://forums.precentral.net/hp-touchpad/299955-new-hulu-fix.html
Oct 07 01:08:08 <siestacat> I installed the kp
Oct 07 01:08:25 <siestacat> ipkg opt thing *
Oct 07 01:08:30 <siestacat> earlier
Oct 07 01:21:53 <siestacat> so dunno what's the problem
Oct 07 01:22:15 <siestacat> nor what took up all the root space
Oct 07 01:45:21 <siestacat> rwhitby?
Oct 07 02:01:05 <siestacat> nvm
Oct 07 02:01:09 <siestacat> fixed myself
Oct 07 02:26:29 <Exiles> so
Oct 07 02:26:57 <Exiles> i wonder if flash from an android device would work on the tp
Oct 07 02:27:14 <Exiles> as flash 11 is out for android now
Oct 07 02:35:10 <rwhitby> no chance
Oct 07 02:41:47 <Xuzzers> rwhitby: It's very possible, but not easy.
Oct 07 02:42:08 <Xuzzers> e.g. See http://github.com/comex/frash
Oct 07 02:42:36 <rwhitby> it's in the same realm of possibility as someone fixing the Terminal app NPAPI integration
Oct 07 02:43:11 <rwhitby> i.e. someone with deep binary LunaSysMgr browserserver integration knowledge
Oct 07 02:47:35 <Exiles> hmmmm
Oct 07 02:53:08 <|Jason8|> Exiles: You could get it to run!  There are instructions for throwing a very alpha version of Android 2.3 on your TouchPad.
Oct 07 02:53:16 <|Jason8|> Pros?  Flash 11.
Oct 07 02:53:26 <|Jason8|> Cons? Broken everything!
Oct 07 02:56:00 <rwhitby> aren't those two options the same?
Oct 07 02:56:15 <|Jason8|> Depends how you look at it.
Oct 07 02:56:24 <|Jason8|> You do get 7.1 surround sound with Flash 11.
Oct 07 02:56:43 <rwhitby> which is important on a two-speaker touchpad
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