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Oct 08 04:29:22 <dwc-> rwhitby: it seems like skype isn't available for other US carriers
Oct 08 04:30:10 <dwc-> I haven't been able to determine any other sorts of apps that are *not* available for AT&T ... should it be a separate override then?
Oct 08 04:34:24 <dwc-> is there a reason not to force it to at&t?
Oct 08 04:38:19 <rwhitby> there may be apps that AT&T excludes from the catalog - e.g. mobile hotspot
Oct 08 04:38:58 <dwc-> oh... the only mobile hotspot I know of is the one that ships with the phone
Oct 08 04:39:29 <rwhitby> yes, with the Pre 3. Note that Impostah is used for other devices too.
Oct 08 04:39:44 <dwc-> yes, I know... I just didn't know of any others... all I have is a pre2
Oct 08 04:40:33 <Xuzz> I couldn't get the pre3 one to work on ATT
Oct 08 04:41:44 <dwc-> so how did you pick what carriers to use for the non-us countries?
Oct 08 04:42:14 <dwc-> do any of them have special apps or restrictions?
Oct 08 04:43:05 <rwhitby> Palm is too US-centric to worry about anything outside the US.
Oct 08 04:43:48 <rwhitby> as far as we know, there are no such distinctions within the our regions.
Oct 08 04:44:03 <rwhitby> (there are restriction differences between regions, but not within them)
Oct 08 04:44:22 <Xuzz> rwhitby: That applies to many US companies. :p
Oct 08 04:44:40 <rwhitby> but there definitely are differences between AT&T, Verizon, Sprint, and "Palm" catalogs in the US.
Oct 08 04:45:17 <dwc-> is there's a list of known differences somewhere?
Oct 08 04:45:31 <rwhitby> nope
Oct 08 04:48:30 <dwc-> I assume that means verizon and sprint ... would have different "carrier" fields?
Oct 08 04:48:48 <rwhitby> yes.
Oct 08 04:48:48 <dwc-> (assuming since I have no such devices to look at)
Oct 08 04:49:24 <rwhitby> DMCARRIER is simply "ROW" for all the other regions
Oct 08 04:49:33 <dwc-> so there's 4 known values for carrier... AT&T, verizon, sprint, ROW?
Oct 08 04:49:41 <dwc-> (for US that is)
Oct 08 04:49:55 <dwc-> (though I guess ROW isn't exactly "us")
Oct 08 04:50:18 <rwhitby> ROW is used in the US for unlocked devices direct from HP/Palm
Oct 08 04:50:41 <dwc-> aka pre2
Oct 08 04:50:54 <dwc-> or did the developer veers and pre3s come unlocked and marked as ROW too?
Oct 08 04:50:59 <rwhitby> there's bellmo and telcel too
Oct 08 04:51:20 <rwhitby> no such thing as developer veers or pre3s
Oct 08 04:51:37 <dwc-> (developer program)
Oct 08 04:51:44 <rwhitby> (nope)
Oct 08 04:52:16 <dwc-> telcel is technically not US, I think
Oct 08 04:52:24 <rwhitby> correct
Oct 08 04:52:36 <dwc-> do verizon/sprint devices end up with an mcc/mnc?
Oct 08 04:52:42 <rwhitby> and they are stuck on 1.4.0 anyway, so they're totally screwed
Oct 08 04:52:59 <dwc-> (not counting the pre3 that is, which I'm guessing has the mcc/mnc of their gsm partner)
Oct 08 04:53:16 <rwhitby> the mcc/mnc is based on whatever GSM sim you have inserted
Oct 08 04:55:37 <dwc-> I'm trying to think what combinations one might end up with that end up determining which store you end up with... it seems like there might be a case for (at least a trial) overriding mcc/mnc on GSM device activations to pick between AT&T and "palm"... or am I totally off base
Oct 08 04:57:12 <rwhitby> yeah, an option to do that may be useful
Oct 08 04:57:51 <rwhitby> it's quite expensive to test such options though, since you only get once chance for first activation on each device
Oct 08 04:59:08 <dwc-> I remember hearing you suggesting people mention lisa's name or having her get involved with profile resets... has that been panning out?
Oct 08 04:59:38 <rwhitby> I believe a couple of people have been persistent enough to get something to happen there.
Oct 08 04:59:39 <dwc-> (obviously, I wouldn't expect them to do it repeatedly for someone, but ...)
Oct 08 05:02:08 * DougReeder waves hello
Oct 08 05:03:09 * dwc- can't help but wonder if there's a convenient country around that's a little more legal-friendly to changing deviceids on devices for testing purposes
Oct 08 05:07:12 <dwc-> well, I'll try to come up with a patch to add that as an option.  Code looks easy enough to point to a non-palm server for that sort of testing at least. (maybe anyways)
Oct 08 05:08:23 <rwhitby> oh, I'm not worried about testing of the code. that is trivial.
Oct 08 05:08:39 <rwhitby> the testing is what happens when that is given to the real profile server (which also changes over time(
Oct 08 06:42:25 <green--> hm, so if my lvm is shot (on touchpad) and webosdoctor fails with inability to mount media from group store, would metadoctor know how to recreate the lvm volumes from scratch?
Oct 08 06:49:02 <rwhitby> meta-doctor just uses webosdoctor
Oct 08 06:49:11 <rwhitby> you'll need to recreate to make it happy
Oct 08 06:50:09 <green--> you mean recreate by hand? ;)
Oct 08 06:50:23 <green--> hopefully there is some tool or script I can use ;)
Oct 08 06:54:01 <nb|webOS> my pre3 should arrive on Monday or Tuesday - hash
Oct 08 06:54:16 <nb|webOS> lol hash = yaay .. nice auto correct
Oct 08 07:02:18 <green--> sigh, nothing like creating 7 lvm volumes by hand. at least I had the previous printout
Oct 08 07:05:14 <technikfreak2> hi is it working to mkae a p2p wifi connection with a laptop and a tp?
Oct 08 07:10:28 <rwhitby> green--: topaz.xml in the doctor has the partition details
Oct 08 11:26:05 <LarrySteeze> hello there!
Oct 08 11:57:51 <LarrySteeze> I guess I can't expect anyone to be around
Oct 08 12:06:11 <LarrySteeze> too early o.o
Oct 08 12:30:47 <Meanwhile> Sigh...the App Catalog icon isn't customizable anymore in webOS v2.1 (it was on v4.5.1)......... does anybody know or care how to do it (simple renaming doesn't work, no result with changing permissions, sending the new icon via Quick Install also doesn't work)
Oct 08 12:36:40 <Meanwhile> even deleting the original icon has no effect
Oct 08 13:29:52 <Meanwhile> (I'll put the question in the precentral forums)
Oct 08 14:27:46 <sam_> can anybody help me download prepare on my touchpad?
Oct 08 14:31:31 <stbuehler> just wanted to answer...
Oct 08 16:30:33 <resistivecorpse> green--: wanna join us in ##welovegreensdoll?
Oct 08 16:31:04 <resistivecorpse> you've got big fans in there
Oct 08 16:34:35 * ka6sox does NOT want to know.
Oct 08 16:35:55 <resistivecorpse> ka6sox: long story, not the chan for it
Oct 08 18:07:39 <compengi> hello, i'm trying to connect to my TP using WebOS-Quick-Install-v4.3.1 software on ubuntu 11.04. i have the developer-mode (with password enabled) switched on. when i open the application it keeps telling me that my password is wrong. i haven't tried any earlier versions, but i wonder if this is a known issue
Oct 08 18:09:09 <compengi> it works on windows though
Oct 08 18:15:13 <pc-world> compengi: Quick Install isn't opensource (and not by WebOS Internals), so the best way is to ask Jason Robitaille (@JayCanuck on Twitter)
Oct 08 18:15:43 <compengi> aha
Oct 08 18:15:47 <compengi> thanks for info
Oct 08 18:18:36 <pc-world> he's the only one really knowing what's going on in Quick Install, and he's not in IRC usually
Oct 08 19:13:17 <rwhitby> morning
Oct 08 19:23:09 <rwhitby> ah, it's always great getting less than 4 hours sleep just before 20h of flights.
Oct 08 19:23:26 <halfhalo> hah
Oct 08 19:23:28 <summatusmentis> that doesn't sound great
Oct 08 19:24:19 <dwc-> is there a conference or something this week?
Oct 08 19:24:26 <rwhitby> no
Oct 08 19:24:34 <rwhitby> business trip
Oct 08 19:24:59 <summatusmentis> what does your company do?
Oct 08 19:25:00 <dwc-> hp's dimes?
Oct 08 19:25:05 <summatusmentis> chips and things?
Oct 08 19:25:20 <resistivecorpse> rwhitby: you going to san frsn?
Oct 08 19:25:20 <rwhitby> yeah, "stuff"
Oct 08 19:25:30 <resistivecorpse> *fran
Oct 08 19:25:31 <rwhitby> san jose
Oct 08 19:25:47 <resistivecorpse> that's it. I read about it
Oct 08 19:25:51 <halfhalo> thats what they all say.  one minute you go "yes honey its just a quick buisness trip" and then next you are in vegas spending all your monies.  or the bay area doing the same, but with phones.
Oct 08 19:26:18 <rwhitby> halfhalo: no money changing hands for these puppies
Oct 08 19:27:10 <summatusmentis> you're smuggling puppies?
Oct 08 19:27:12 <dwc-> halfhalo: sounds like it's time for you to make a "business trip" to sunnyvale
Oct 08 19:27:47 <rwhitby> halfhalo: I have to save the cash to purchase wigboo itself.
Oct 08 19:28:02 <halfhalo> hah
Oct 08 19:30:56 * dwc- hopes some extra pre3s fall out of the back of cars/trucks for other people too :p
Oct 08 19:32:36 <halfhalo> lol
Oct 08 21:15:25 <PatrickC> ok.. anyone with a pre3 in here?
Oct 08 21:15:41 <PatrickC> I went to install an app (free) and the download fails every time
Oct 08 21:16:03 <PatrickC> then tried to use impostah, and it tells me download failed, and says I need to purchase the app first
Oct 08 21:16:06 <PatrickC> appid: com.jmprod.gsearch
Oct 08 21:16:12 <halfhalo> dundundun....
Oct 08 22:00:27 <dwc-> try it on your older devices?
Oct 08 22:06:33 <LunohoD> do you know any SDL-based application where I can steal gestures handling code?
Oct 08 22:23:05 <ka6sox> LunohoD, for which platform?
Oct 08 22:45:56 <Abyssul-TP> Alright. Need a little help. Unzip says no space on device. Device info says i have 12.6gb free
Oct 08 22:47:27 <bpadalino> use df -h and pwd to see how much space you have and where you are?
Oct 09 00:24:28 <Abyssul-Pre2> I think my patches were incorrectly labeled for the wrong webos version. Who should I chat with?
Oct 09 00:27:48 <Abyssul-Pre2> I think this place is dead :p
Oct 09 00:29:50 <crimsonredmk> 3 minutes is quite a long while to be waiting
Oct 09 00:29:53 <crimsonredmk> :/
Oct 09 00:30:44 <Abyssul-Pre2> Just saying. Ive idled around in the past week randomly and not much was going on.
Oct 09 00:33:34 <Log1x> ;]
Oct 09 00:36:06 <dwc-> someone who manages the patch portal
Oct 09 00:36:12 <dwc-> probably rwhitby or ka6sox etc
Oct 09 00:37:19 <Abyssul-Pre2> Id checked the packages.gz and such but I'm on my pre2. Ive just gotten a ton of emails saying that the patch isnt labeled for 1.4.5
Oct 09 00:37:50 <Abyssul-Pre2> Actually made a draft to send to people who email about it.
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