**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Oct 12 02:59:57 2011 Oct 12 03:00:14 got my pre3 activated on att . whoop whoop- good stuff Oct 12 03:00:49 get me a pre 3 too :P Oct 12 03:08:04 just got my at&t pre3 yesterday working on telstra here :D Oct 12 03:08:21 cool Oct 12 03:08:54 I got my at&t pre3 a few weeks ago. working on wifi :D Oct 12 03:09:18 i have no webos phone right now Oct 12 03:10:08 that damn state bug for the aussie app catalogue though, touchpad profile saved me :D Oct 12 03:11:17 do i understand this right the profile you login with on the phone locks to the sim card for edits on the phone? Oct 12 03:12:06 I'm trying to start fluxbox on my touchpad with the Ubuntu chroot but it's saying "Aborted" and startx says an X server already exists on :0 (occupied by Xecuter), what do I do? Oct 12 03:12:32 darkf: why not use lxde? Oct 12 03:12:47 I used fluxbox once. but now use lxde for everything Oct 12 03:12:52 PatrickC: because I don't want to install the ~300mb of packages and I'd like to use a lightweight WM like fluxbox ;) Oct 12 03:13:02 heh.. ok :) Oct 12 03:13:11 I forget what I did to make mine work lol Oct 12 03:13:20 :( Oct 12 03:13:29 sorry... Oct 12 03:14:07 no problem :p Oct 12 03:20:05 :) Oct 12 03:26:15 alright LXDE works Oct 12 03:26:33 is there any way to increase the size of the window icons because those are too small to hit with a touchscreen Oct 12 03:26:42 works on palm? Oct 12 03:27:13 touchpad Oct 12 03:27:30 oh sweet Oct 12 03:27:45 congrates :) Oct 12 03:28:03 thanks Oct 12 04:03:27 :) Oct 12 04:06:17 anyone got any tips to remove the at&t apps from the pre3 Oct 12 04:07:22 preware patches? Oct 12 04:08:18 hewball: like? Oct 12 04:08:48 the at&t navigator and the ypmobile Oct 12 04:14:04 ipkg remove Oct 12 04:14:06 or just hide them Oct 12 04:14:27 visible:false I think, is the appinfo.json Oct 12 04:14:54 thanks dwc- ill try Oct 12 04:15:10 dwc-: hiya :) Oct 12 04:41:32 thanks dwc- easy fix :D Oct 12 05:00:40 can someone help me adjust carrier settings in my CarrierNetworkSettings.db3 file ? Oct 12 05:02:27 qsfoak, I think there is a site that'll help generate one for you, try searching precentral for it Oct 12 05:03:57 i have a complicated question for the webos-internal wizards Oct 12 05:04:38 i want to use a cheap $7 unlimited mobile plan on my awesome pre3 Oct 12 05:05:00 however the data is restricted to only http port 80 traffic Oct 12 05:06:53 does the webos browser access http port 80 for web traffic ? Oct 12 05:07:44 yes Oct 12 05:09:03 would there be a method of re-routing everything to use a proxy server & port 80 -- for ex: hp app catalog, tunein radio Oct 12 05:09:52 maybe Oct 12 05:10:06 depends on how they implement their block Oct 12 05:10:26 and you'd have to have a proxy server Oct 12 05:10:31 that you could use Oct 12 05:12:09 i was able to do it on android Oct 12 05:12:19 but i would much rather use webos ! Oct 12 05:12:20 lol Oct 12 05:12:45 but first thing first.. i have to get a 3g symbol Oct 12 05:13:33 this is gonna take awhile to figure out.. Oct 12 05:13:58 dwc- what is your webos story Oct 12 05:14:45 relative newcomer, ~8 mo of webos'ing Oct 12 05:16:15 friends had been using it, I won one, now it's a fun toy Oct 12 05:17:10 and since the firesale, I've been a hardware distributor for friends :p Oct 12 05:18:31 haha Oct 12 05:18:33 spread the love Oct 12 05:18:45 it's not that interesting of a story Oct 12 05:18:45 what platform did you come fro Oct 12 05:18:51 motorola razr v3? Oct 12 05:18:58 (does that count as a platform?) Oct 12 05:19:01 now you are a pre3 owner ? Oct 12 05:19:53 alright i got my carrierdb.json on my computer Oct 12 05:20:20 13 page thread on precentral.. o boy Oct 12 05:20:28 im determined to figure this out Oct 12 05:23:34 my daily phone is still the pre2 I won Oct 12 05:25:12 carrierdb.json = CarrierNetworkSettings.db3 ? Oct 12 05:32:18 i got 3g logo ! Oct 12 05:33:04 wanna add the new info to http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/How_to_solve_3G_data_problems ? Oct 12 05:34:25 okay lemme take a read Oct 12 05:34:28 very informative Oct 12 05:34:40 i got a 3g logo.. but data does not work Oct 12 05:35:06 but the 3g symbol has to acknowledge something.. as i got the apn servers correct Oct 12 05:36:11 i can access 10.128.1.69 the openwave proxy Oct 12 05:36:27 can i proxy 3g ? Oct 12 05:45:03 i think i need to follow the how to squid tutorial Oct 12 07:14:53 is there a patch to lock auto-rotation on the pre like the default tp ? Oct 12 15:52:47 is there any way to disable backup on webos 2.1 when using the on/off button in backup app doesnt work? Oct 12 16:00:39 that usually means you're not logged into a profile Oct 12 16:01:57 Yeah, it's cause I'm logged on a 1.4.5 profile on a 2.1 device Oct 12 16:01:59 so nothing I can do Oct 12 16:04:45 you can log in on another device Oct 12 16:05:14 you can flash the device back to 1.4.5 and then turn off backupes Oct 12 16:05:37 I guess that's a possibility.. so there's nothing like editing a database value or whatnot that would do it? Oct 12 16:05:43 I just want backups off Oct 12 16:05:58 it's a server setting, not a local setting. Oct 12 16:06:03 ah... Oct 12 16:06:11 nothing you do locally will have any effect. Oct 12 16:06:16 I see. Oct 12 18:17:30 Is the Preware site down? I fired it up on my HP touchpad but only get installed packs Oct 12 18:24:14 seems up for me Oct 12 18:25:30 u getting all of the available stuff? I only have .3GB mem left - think that might be it? Oct 12 18:27:00 can meta doctor be run before activation? Oct 12 18:28:19 yes Oct 12 18:29:29 Have any idea how much mem it needs? Oct 12 18:29:49 how do i go about getting an app added to preware feeds? Oct 12 18:37:55 rwhitby : running "make DEVICE=pixiplus CARRIER=verizonwireless all" spits out the error "invalid device-carrier combination" Oct 12 18:38:19 try verizon Oct 12 18:38:41 (where'd you find verizonwireless?) Oct 12 18:39:25 yeah, it's verizon now Oct 12 18:39:46 ok Oct 12 18:39:51 I get error 2 Oct 12 18:40:13 is there supposed to be another directory inside the downloads directory? Oct 12 18:40:58 nvm Oct 12 18:41:27 Not able to get anything to show up on Preware on my HP - anybody have any problems with it today? Any ideas. First time user - was working fine yesterday. Oct 12 18:45:15 dice2000 working fine for me Oct 12 18:46:42 thx - I am frustrated - can't get it to show anything except installed pks - everything else is grayed out. Any ideas? Oct 12 18:47:04 when running meta-doctor, with an inactivated Pixi plus, should I put it in to USB mode? Oct 12 18:47:13 the hold volume up on start? Oct 12 18:50:49 dice2000: I was having problems with preware too. kept getting errors and very few available packages Oct 12 18:51:52 Working for you now? Any ideas? Oct 12 18:52:56 dice2000: do you have a network connection? Oct 12 18:53:04 dice2000: do you have the feeds enabled Oct 12 18:53:10 dice2000: did you update feeds? Oct 12 18:53:36 yeah, its working now. not sure what the problem was. I had to reboot my modem and hold the tp right up to it Oct 12 18:53:37 siestacat: vol-up is not USB mode Oct 12 18:54:45 I do have network connection - other apps that use network are working fine - not sure about feeds enabled - where do you find that? Oct 12 18:56:22 opps - I did have all feeds turned off - thought they were "themes" not apps - got it working now - thx for your help!! Oct 12 18:56:45 rwhitby: yes to feeds enabled, inc the beta feeds. had to try 6 times within 3 ft of modem to see feeds other than themes Oct 12 18:59:19 got it now - thanks again Oct 12 19:10:48 ping rwhitby Oct 12 19:12:18 bedrock, just wondering, whats your app? Oct 12 19:13:26 it's just a gui to setup ad-hoc mode, basically does the same job as the various scripts that have been posted for the touchpad Oct 12 19:16:10 code is up at https://github.com/nicbedford/adhoc Oct 12 19:29:29 I would have thought I would see someone else working on a wpa_supplicant workaround Oct 12 19:29:47 yeah, that would be nice Oct 12 19:30:05 but from a little research i did, it appears palm have a customize wpa_supplicant Oct 12 19:35:14 I'm trying to get DosBox running on my touchpad. If I install DosBox from Preware, I get the splash screen, and then a black card that never changes. If I run dosbox from the natty chroot, all the key strokes are off. I tried to remap the keys, but multiple keys show up as "key 0" (w,e,r,t,y, and u all show up as "key 0" for instance). Has anybody had any success running dosbox on the Touchpad? Oct 12 19:39:19 bedrock, Yeah, they did. I did patch it up with some success Oct 12 19:59:33 any waY I can disable the cellular radio on my pixi? Oct 12 19:59:45 airplane mode? Oct 12 19:59:53 I want WiFi on Oct 12 20:00:08 ... and then turn wifi on? Oct 12 20:00:23 you can do that? Oct 12 20:00:57 ah Oct 12 20:00:58 good Oct 12 20:01:16 what other ways can I save battery? Oct 12 20:10:59 siestacat: pretty much all battery usage is from cellular data Oct 12 20:11:11 if you don't need it, turn it off. Oct 12 20:11:45 There are people who even do some pretty advanced Mode Switcher configuration so it is off when they don't need it, but on when they do :) Oct 12 20:12:24 don't use airplane mode to turn off data unless you're ok with turning phone calls off too :) Oct 12 20:12:28 I've thought about that Oct 12 20:12:33 wrea: if you had some success, then why not share? Oct 12 20:13:36 Not very workable and I dont have a good setup to test while I go Oct 12 20:14:31 i assume it was a binary patch? (given that palm have a customized wpa_supplicant) Oct 12 20:16:08 It was actually done with the wpa_supplicant Oct 12 20:17:20 ok, i dont know enough about how wpa_supplicant works to know how you'd go about that Oct 12 20:17:45 i've just seen some of the android patches for the wpa_supplicant source Oct 12 20:18:56 The networks dont show up, but you can manually connect. But encryption doesnt seem to work for some reason Oct 12 20:19:37 why are you patching wpa_supplicant? Oct 12 20:20:14 I havent touched it in a few weeks though, been working on some other things Oct 12 20:20:20 hmm, in that case i'm not sure how its any different to stopping PmWiFiService and issuing iwconfig mode ad-hoc etc... Oct 12 20:21:02 Because that isnt optimal by any means Oct 12 20:21:19 summatusmentis, adhoc Oct 12 20:21:30 oh Oct 12 20:21:36 i realise it's not optimal, but it works, at lteast to a certain extent Oct 12 20:21:44 least* Oct 12 20:22:20 i just dont follow how your wpa_suplicant method is significantly differnent if networks dont show up Oct 12 20:23:02 I also dont remember my saying its a complete success Oct 12 20:23:21 or distributing it saying its the best solution out there Oct 12 20:23:44 fair enough, i'm not doing that either Oct 12 20:23:51 I was just working on it for a friend anyway Oct 12 20:46:50 so, I'm using Xterm, and I've noticed that if I hold down 'shift', it'll sometimes trigger my next keypress a bunch of times Oct 12 20:47:02 is anyone else seeing this?? (using bt keyboard) Oct 12 20:47:27 Yea,that's a problem with a lot of bluetooth keyboards Oct 12 20:47:33 happens on both my Touchpad and Xoom Oct 12 20:47:46 is there a way to fix it Oct 12 20:47:51 ? Oct 12 20:48:00 I haven't found a way Oct 12 20:48:05 :-/ Oct 12 20:48:17 It seems to be caused by interference with WiFi Oct 12 20:48:25 that's irritating Oct 12 20:48:28 I shut off my router and turned off the wifi on the device and it worked fine Oct 12 20:48:43 Then I moved my homephone near it (is on the same frequency) and it started again Oct 12 20:48:44 that sort of defeats the purpose Oct 12 20:48:48 Yep Oct 12 21:07:21 i'm both relieved and sad that the bt issues aren't in the x/xterm/etc implementation Oct 12 21:07:49 makes things a bit usable, and if they were software they could be fixed and my dreams of good X usage via keyboard on my tablet would be achieved Oct 12 21:11:08 dtzWill: I believe there is OTG support in 3.0.4 Oct 12 21:11:19 Or that's the rumor I heard Oct 12 21:11:54 trsohmers: that'd be excellent! Oct 12 21:12:00 here's hoping. Oct 12 21:12:34 I know CM7 for Touchpad has OTG support Oct 12 21:15:10 there is a bt friendly mode for 802.11 Oct 12 21:15:15 you might try turning that on Oct 12 21:24:06 at least in the places I use my keyboard, the network isn't in my control Oct 12 22:13:04 Is anyone else unable to update feeds in preware? Oct 12 22:14:45 Spacetech, its working for me Oct 12 22:16:08 I'm getting errors about "wget: bad address 'ipkg.preware.org'. The device has an internet connection Oct 12 22:27:45 looks like DNS last changed 10/3 Oct 12 22:28:34 Spacetech, what os version/device? Oct 12 22:28:39 The DNS servers up to the root for me are returning correct answers for me Oct 12 22:28:56 s/s for/s to/ Oct 12 22:28:56 dwc- meant: The DNS servers up to the root for me are returning correct answers to me Oct 12 22:30:15 dwc-, its possible he is using an os version that isnt in the feeds Oct 12 22:35:05 I'm on an HP Touchpad, it was working yesterday. I can't ping ipkg.preware.org from my pc, says it can't find the host Oct 12 22:36:16 Spacetech, ok. using windows or mac or linux? Oct 12 22:36:55 I have all 3 installed, but I tried pinging from windows Oct 12 22:38:15 Spacetech, ok, from windows can you open cmd and type tracert ipkg.preware.org and put the output in pastebin.com ? Oct 12 22:39:00 Unable to resolve target system name ipkg.preware.org. Oct 12 22:39:17 are you behind a firewall? Oct 12 22:39:57 I'm on my universities network, they probably have somethings. It's weird since it was working yesterday Oct 12 22:40:21 Spacetech, can you open up a web browser and browse to ipkg3.preware.org ? Oct 12 22:40:33 That works Oct 12 22:40:48 or try: ipconfig /flushdns in command line Oct 12 22:40:50 ok, try ipkg.preware.org Oct 12 22:41:07 Doesn't load Oct 12 22:41:17 try ipkg2 Oct 12 22:41:29 ipkg1 2 and 3 work Oct 12 22:41:34 0.o Oct 12 22:41:41 thats really wierd Oct 12 22:41:45 My school must be being stupid :S Oct 12 22:41:51 my windows is rusty Oct 12 22:41:59 try nslookup -t any -v ipkg.preware.org. Oct 12 22:42:05 (with the trailing .) Oct 12 22:42:28 if that doesn't work, it's nslookup.... set type=any ... ipkg.preware.org. (I forget how to get -v) Oct 12 22:43:32 Say's its a non existent domain Oct 12 22:44:20 wierd Oct 12 22:44:35 ipkg.preware.org=ipkg3.preware.org so you should be able to get to it Oct 12 22:44:38 what about nslookup -t soa preware.org. Oct 12 22:44:54 there should be an 8-digit string that looks like a 2011yymm Oct 12 22:45:37 My touchpad connects to my campus' wireless network. Can I change it from the device / ssh? Oct 12 22:46:20 http://pastebin.com/BH1AMZbP Oct 12 22:46:45 Marking the console managed to cutoff the first line, it was preware.org Oct 12 22:46:47 invalid option, whee Oct 12 22:46:56 guess windows nslookup is more broken than I remember Oct 12 22:47:01 try nslookup interactively Oct 12 22:47:18 with set type=any on ipkg.preware.org. and set type=soa on preware.org. Oct 12 22:49:19 I have to go to class, I'll be back. Oct 12 22:49:47 my guess(?) is that your campus DNS has cached the wrong answer for ipkg.preware.org. Oct 12 22:51:55 might just have to wait a few hours and try again Oct 12 22:52:41 I'm having problems downloading preware feeds. Oct 12 22:53:09 Minchkin, what error are you getting? Oct 12 22:53:21 dwc-, this seems to be a common theme today :/ Oct 12 22:54:01 actually, if Spacetech has linux handy, it'd be easier to debug Oct 12 22:54:15 dwc-, he said he did Oct 12 22:54:28 yea, I just scrolled up and saw that Oct 12 22:54:40 lol Oct 12 22:55:48 I wish I could copy it. But one is a 404 error, and the other is saying error code 1 Oct 12 22:56:03 Minchkin, ok. what device/os version? Oct 12 22:56:33 at least a 404 isn't a DNS problem ;) Oct 12 22:56:52 TouchPad 16 3.0.2 Oct 12 22:57:03 which feed? Oct 12 22:57:08 Lol. True. Oct 12 22:57:12 One sec Oct 12 22:57:16 what dwc- said :) Oct 12 22:57:54 (just checked, all my 3.0.2 feeds loaded ok) Oct 12 22:58:15 mine as well Oct 12 22:58:52 Testing.preware.org/packages.gz Oct 12 22:59:25 hmm, that doesn't look like a correct url Oct 12 22:59:38 how'd you get that? Oct 12 23:00:21 Not sure Oct 12 23:00:44 did you add a custom feed? Oct 12 23:01:56 I believe so. But I don't remeber . Oct 12 23:02:34 go to manage feeds Oct 12 23:02:41 look for the one that has a url of testing.preware.org and delete it Oct 12 23:02:50 I'm pretty loopy. I just had surgery yesterday. Lol. Oct 12 23:02:52 Ok Oct 12 23:04:28 Done. But about an hour ago I wasn't able to load any feeds. Oct 12 23:05:01 well, I know that one isn't going to work, so that error should go away at least Oct 12 23:06:33 It has, thanks. Oct 12 23:20:53 testing.preware.org is not a feed. it's a web page that describes feeds Oct 12 23:21:09 you read it in a browser, not type it into Preware Oct 12 23:43:40 that's what I assumed he did Oct 12 23:43:45 acn't imagine why it's not working ;) Oct 13 00:04:21 So I'm probably way behind on this, but that new maps app uses Enyo, right? Oct 13 00:04:31 But it's in the Pixi too? Oct 13 00:48:27 Xuzz: yes, it includes an Enyo install Oct 13 00:48:36 ooh, very cool Oct 13 00:48:54 I expect it's Palm's way of getting Enyo out to developers without having to go through an OTA approval process Oct 13 00:48:59 Very clever I think. Oct 13 00:50:12 Similar to Android's use of market forced upgrades for security fixes rather than using a real upgrade. Oct 13 00:51:32 I like it, even though I can't type åöä in any enyo apps on my pre2. Oct 13 02:30:28 is preware down? Oct 13 02:37:54 greetings Oct 13 02:38:59 anyone help me out with a question? Oct 13 02:52:36 this shiz dead? Oct 13 02:52:51 mmmmmmmmm enyo on my veer Oct 13 02:52:52 ? Oct 13 02:52:57 om nom nom so tasty. Oct 13 02:53:13 fap fap fap so fappy Oct 13 02:53:24 dtzWill NO ENYO 4 U Oct 13 02:53:27 shrug, the maps update sure seems rather enyo-esque, and it's nice. Oct 13 02:53:58 is everyone having issues with feeds? Oct 13 02:54:32 umm, the maps update is enyo, isn't it Oct 13 02:55:00 sure seems like it, just haven't verified it myself. works rather well in my brief testing Oct 13 02:55:24 http://twitpic.com/6zhkw3 Oct 13 02:55:25 it is Oct 13 02:55:54 I cannot update preware feeds though Oct 13 02:55:57 anyone know why? Oct 13 02:56:19 haha, I royally screwed up the maps app for my Pre2. Wont even open Oct 13 02:56:48 hah Oct 13 02:56:50 balrog: seems up here, what's failing? Oct 13 02:56:55 wget fails Oct 13 02:57:07 unable to run command ... Oct 13 02:57:10 guys, about the Maps apps Oct 13 02:57:23 hmm hold on Oct 13 02:57:26 can I change it back to GoogleMaps after update to new Bing Maps? Oct 13 02:57:31 Nope Oct 13 02:57:48 kostka: not yet, not as an option they give you AFAICT Oct 13 02:57:58 dtzWill: bad address ipkg.preware.org Oct 13 02:58:06 web works Oct 13 02:58:12 i'd imagine you could rip the maps app out of a doctor and replace it or something. Oct 13 02:58:13 dtzWill: thanks Oct 13 02:58:20 but ymmv, etc Oct 13 02:58:49 I might have to try that Oct 13 02:58:59 Install google maps and reinstall bings **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Oct 13 02:59:57 2011