**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Oct 16 02:59:56 2011
Oct 16 03:04:39 <ka6sox> I am pretty certain after chasing down this part on the board that it is...the motor controller chip (for the vibration motor)
Oct 16 03:06:59 <ka6sox> so that means no MHL mux :(
Oct 16 03:08:08 <actionfigure> is it possible to go back from 2.1 to 1.4.5?
Oct 16 03:08:35 <ka6sox> actionfigure, insufficient data to form a conclusion
Oct 16 03:08:52 <ka6sox> you haven't said what device, what configuration, what you have done.
Oct 16 03:09:01 <actionfigure> pre+
Oct 16 03:09:30 <ka6sox> sure, the Doctor will do a splendid job of that.
Oct 16 03:09:42 <actionfigure> I installed 2.1 on my 1.4.5.  I backed up all data
Oct 16 03:10:53 <actionfigure> sorry was that a joke?
Oct 16 03:11:15 <actionfigure> :)  I can't tell
Oct 16 03:11:17 <ka6sox> no, you asked a question that had not enough information to help
Oct 16 03:11:26 <actionfigure> ok
Oct 16 03:11:46 <actionfigure> what else did you want  to know
Oct 16 03:11:51 <ka6sox> okay now the question is WHY do you want to do that?
Oct 16 03:12:51 <actionfigure> cuz I find 2.1 a little laggy, freezes a lot, don't like just type, themes don't work
Oct 16 03:14:04 <actionfigure> id say laggy and freezing to be the main thing for me
Oct 16 03:14:30 <actionfigure> I'm not dissing it, just doesn't do it for me
Oct 16 03:14:46 <actionfigure> :)  know what I mean
Oct 16 03:14:49 <ka6sox> yes,
Oct 16 03:14:59 <ka6sox> I realize you said you backed up your data.
Oct 16 03:15:05 <actionfigure> yes
Oct 16 03:15:27 <ka6sox> but I haven't tried to go back and forth between those 2 series while caring whether I lose anything or not
Oct 16 03:15:32 <actionfigure> I do love how smooth 2.1 is though
Oct 16 03:15:53 <ka6sox> (I did that when I was testing Sprint Pre2)
Oct 16 03:15:57 <ka6sox> but then I didnt' care.
Oct 16 03:16:22 <actionfigure> id love to keep 2  but I'm having problems
Oct 16 03:16:32 <ka6sox> so YMMV.
Oct 16 03:16:44 <actionfigure> so the doctor and just revert back?
Oct 16 03:16:59 <ka6sox> it *may* decide to blow away your /media/internal
Oct 16 03:17:07 <ka6sox> so anything you want to save I'd get off of there.
Oct 16 03:17:17 <actionfigure> hmmm
Oct 16 03:17:50 <ka6sox> you asked....would you rather I lied to you and said "NO PROBLEM!!!!"
Oct 16 03:17:55 <actionfigure> media/interneal?
Oct 16 03:18:25 <actionfigure> no, I greatly appreciate you help and honesty.
Oct 16 03:19:19 <actionfigure> ka6sox: :)
Oct 16 03:21:19 <ka6sox> media/internal is the partition you can see when you plug the pre into your computer
Oct 16 03:22:16 <actionfigure> oh ok so its possible to brick my pre
Oct 16 03:23:24 <actionfigure> well I'll keep playing with 2 and hope it gets better
Oct 16 03:23:47 <actionfigure> I'm not sure why themes don't work at all
Oct 16 03:26:43 <actionfigure> ka6sox: thanks again for your help
Oct 16 03:27:25 <ka6sox> actionfigure, I did NOT say "BRICK"
Oct 16 03:27:48 <actionfigure> I know. I just thought I might
Oct 16 03:27:54 <ka6sox> I said you *could* end up with the doctor thinking it needed to reformat your /media/internal partition
Oct 16 03:28:07 <ka6sox> and therefore all of the data in that partition would be lost.
Oct 16 03:28:16 <ka6sox> like pictures, audio, video etc
Oct 16 03:28:24 <actionfigure> ok.
Oct 16 03:28:27 <tmzt> you can't brick a pre 2 can you?
Oct 16 03:28:37 <actionfigure> I have all that  backedup
Oct 16 03:31:18 <actionfigure> so does anyone have themes working
Oct 16 03:31:35 <actionfigure> also can I get rid of just type
Oct 16 03:32:17 <ka6sox> tmzt, not that I've seen
Oct 16 03:45:12 * Mercury tries to figure out why, with lxde going on his touchpad (inside the ubuntu chroot), as soon as he starts it the webos virtual keyboard vanishes until he restarts the touchpad.
Oct 16 03:50:14 <ka6sox> Mercury, check your tweaks settings
Oct 16 04:15:14 <andmer> hey, does anybody know what .palm directory contains? its 2gigs and has odd looking file names
Oct 16 04:27:16 <ka6sox> and the next time we hear from him he will be crying because he threw it all away :D
Oct 16 04:29:08 <wrea> lol
Oct 16 09:54:36 <Netvirus> hello
Oct 16 09:55:36 <Netvirus> I would like to get into developing apps and patches but I dont know where to start. can any1 help ?
Oct 16 10:24:31 <Netvirus> hgello ?
Oct 16 14:25:06 <Mercury> ka6sox: Set to XS, not off.  Changing it doesn't seem to make a difference.
Oct 16 14:41:00 <actionfigure> :) ello
Oct 16 14:41:55 <actionfigure> ka6sox: hiya
Oct 16 15:58:44 <actionfigure> hiya peeps
Oct 16 16:28:32 <macpro> how do i get hulu working
Oct 16 17:41:59 <bedrock> can't seem to get touchplayer 1.0.4 to isntall from the preware feeds, it just sits and spins, anyone any ideas?
Oct 16 17:44:41 <dwc-> the installer service is probably hung. reboot and try again
Oct 16 17:51:47 <bedrock> but it's only happenign to touchplayer ?
Oct 16 17:51:53 <bedrock> i can install others
Oct 16 18:07:23 <actionfigure> anyone on 2.1 and have themes working?
Oct 16 18:10:03 <Davide-NYC> any word on HPs plans for webos?
Oct 16 18:13:48 <actionfigure> hmmm
Oct 16 18:14:03 <actionfigure> Davide-NYC: dont know..i thought they were dropping webos
Oct 16 18:16:13 <Davide-NYC> I haven't found any news on WebOS in particular since the "big meeting" last week.
Oct 16 18:16:32 <actionfigure> oh ok
Oct 16 18:20:42 <actionfigure> the room is dead ;\
Oct 16 18:33:32 <actionfigure> anyone on 2.1 and have themes working?
Oct 16 18:41:32 <ghostinator> an app or integration with xecutah to start/stop/restart services like openSSH, lighted, etc would be awesome.
Oct 16 20:02:47 <hiddenpremise> Hey, I'm having a bit of a problem getting my app packaged for preware. The structure of my app (includes both an enyo app and a service) doesn't allow me to use the ipk packager. I've beeing doing the old `tar -c build_directory | gzip > com.myapp.test.ipk` approach
Oct 16 20:03:07 <hiddenpremise> When I try to install from webos quick install, I get an invalid or corrupt package error
Oct 16 20:13:27 <hiddenpremise> I wrote up a description of the problem over on precentral if anyone feels like having a look. http://forums.precentral.net/hp-touchpad-homebrew/303778-packaging-woes.html#post3209167
Oct 16 20:50:18 <dwc-> hiddenpremise: if you're developing an app, you should probably be using the palm SDK
Oct 16 20:50:26 <dwc-> an ipk is not a .tar.gz
Oct 16 20:50:55 <hiddenpremise> dwc: I'm using the palm sdk, but im also using custom postinst and prerm scripts to hook into Jason's homebrew service framework
Oct 16 20:51:15 <hiddenpremise> dwc: the palm sdk tools don't package custom scripts, but wrea has pointed me at a tool that does
Oct 16 20:56:48 <dwc-> I'm pretty sure it can
Oct 16 20:57:02 <dwc-> but, check the webos internals 'hello' sample app
Oct 16 20:57:39 <hiddenpremise> dwc: Thanks :), I've been looking at it and have got a lot to learn from it, but I'm not to the point of understanding everything just yet
Oct 16 20:58:20 <hiddenpremise> dwc-: sorry got your name wrong… </shameface>
Oct 16 20:58:34 <dwc-> same difference :)
Oct 16 20:58:46 <dwc-> bbl
Oct 16 20:58:52 <hiddenpremise> peace
Oct 16 20:59:08 <wrea> yeah, now he's on his way to hunt you down for that mistake :P
Oct 16 20:59:28 <hiddenpremise> … *loads AR*
Oct 16 21:43:18 <George___> just testing
Oct 16 23:00:38 <Loopin3r> i need help with using meta-doctor to remove partition on my touchpad, anyone wann help?
Oct 16 23:10:33 <rwhitby> what instructions are you following?
Oct 17 00:02:50 <Ip-2> help please ..
Oct 17 00:02:50 <VaMpIrO> ??
Oct 17 00:08:38 <dwc-> ?
Oct 17 00:09:49 <PuffTheMagic> ???
Oct 17 00:17:01 <VaMpIrO> is there be an upgrade for palm pixi plus to webos 2 ?
Oct 17 00:59:24 <M25> anyone know  why the touchplayer update downloads but spins forever on the install for me?
Oct 17 01:01:54 <M25> rwhitby: dtzWill ^
Oct 17 01:08:54 <rwhitby> M25: that's usually an error in the packaging by the author for stuff in the PreCentral feed
Oct 17 01:09:28 <M25> anyway I could fig
Oct 17 01:09:30 <M25> hrjrjfnf
Oct 17 01:09:36 <M25> fix it on my end?
Oct 17 01:09:59 <rwhitby> usually not.  download the ipk and install it using Preware
Oct 17 01:11:24 <M25> its what I'm doing, it says 78727/78727 downloaded
Oct 17 01:11:38 <M25> and the thing keeps spinning, but it never installs
Oct 17 01:21:35 <M25> rwhitby: is it weird that the download size is different every time?
Oct 17 01:21:48 <rwhitby> yep
Oct 17 01:22:30 <M25>  only a little different, but definitely different
Oct 17 02:33:13 <hewball> wish verizon wireless shipped to Aus, touchstones so cheap
Oct 17 02:34:14 <wrea> Make a friend in the states :P
Oct 17 02:36:56 <hiddenpremise> Is there a good guide for publishing to preware once you have an app built?
Oct 17 02:37:17 <rwhitby> hiddenpremise: two ways: (1) precentral.net (2) direct through our feeds
Oct 17 02:37:21 <rwhitby> hiddenpremise: what's the app?
Oct 17 02:39:04 <hiddenpremise> it is an app that will automatically switch proxies on or off based on your ssid. I had a breakthrough today (Thank the Lord) and it works. Just needs a little polished and it is ready to publish
Oct 17 02:42:47 <dwc-> shipping to AU probably covers a lot of what could otherwise be cheap
Oct 17 02:43:21 <hiddenpremise> dwc-: AU = auburn university ?
Oct 17 02:43:40 <wrea> Yeah. if you got 2, each would be about $10 usd after shipping
Oct 17 02:43:49 <dwc-> australia
Oct 17 02:44:07 <hiddenpremise> gotcha, yeah, that's a long haul haha
Oct 17 02:44:07 <SineOt> dwc-: I think you could do it cheap if you pick the shipping right
Oct 17 02:44:41 <dwc-> hm, I guess it's not *too* bad
Oct 17 02:44:51 <dwc-> I can ship 4 lb USPS international priority for $14
Oct 17 02:45:12 <SineOt> Yeah, flat rate international isn't that bad.
Oct 17 02:45:20 <dwc-> that's only a bit more than shipping to washington...
Oct 17 02:45:33 <SineOt> And I don't know if you could class it as media mail :T
Oct 17 02:45:43 <SineOt> Media mail is cheap as all hell, just takes forever
Oct 17 02:46:32 <dwc-> you could claim it fit the bill, but if anyone checked, you might be in trouble
Oct 17 02:46:54 <hewball> shipping from hong kong is cheap and fast to australia, cheaper than east to west of Aus
Oct 17 02:47:35 <dwc-> so.. $10 for 2 touchstones... $15ish for shipping, $25 for 2?
Oct 17 02:47:41 <dwc-> how much is 2 if you source them "locally"
Oct 17 02:47:55 <hiddenpremise> where do you find these dirt cheap touchstones?
Oct 17 02:47:56 <hewball> cheapest ive seen is 20 each
Oct 17 02:48:08 <hewball> http://www.verizonwireless.com/touchstone-standalone-inductive-desktop-charger.shtml
Oct 17 02:48:08 <SineOt> You'd be hard pressed to say a Touchstone fit the Media Mail guidelines
Oct 17 02:48:27 <wrea> a touchstone would just barely fit in a small priority mailbox
Oct 17 02:48:29 <dwc-> hiddenpremise: phone touchstones... $5 at verizon wireless, $2.50 at the now-closed palm store :p
Oct 17 02:48:37 <hiddenpremise> bitter shame it wont' work on my touchpad
Oct 17 02:48:51 <dwc-> but, as a bonus, the palm store on friday had pixi touchstone backs for free ;p
Oct 17 02:49:16 <hewball> i want to make a case for the touchstone to take the pre3 correctly, but i need donor touchstones
Oct 17 02:49:20 <SineOt> Even free that seems too much for them :p
Oct 17 02:49:27 <wrea> my friend was looking for a touchstone back to use
Oct 17 02:49:28 <SineOt> stupid things peel so, so badly :(
Oct 17 02:49:36 <dwc-> was tempted to pick up a couple just to try to make my motorola razr v3 touchstone for fun
Oct 17 02:50:13 <dwc-> but I didn't.
Oct 17 02:50:40 <SineOt> I wonder if you could touchstone-ize a Nexus S, or if it'd screw with the NFC coils.
Oct 17 02:51:09 <rwhitby> SineOt: I've been slowly working on a Nexus S to modify it to work on a touchstone.
Oct 17 02:51:32 <rwhitby> the coil ends up being low enough that it shouldn't affect the NFC.
Oct 17 02:51:33 <SineOt> rwhitby: how's it going? I don't know enough about NFC to know if the magnets and charge coil would interfere or not
Oct 17 02:51:43 <SineOt> Hmm, cool!
Oct 17 02:51:45 <rwhitby> there's some pages on the net where someone has done it successfully
Oct 17 02:52:00 <rwhitby> magnets are in the touchstone, not the phone
Oct 17 02:52:12 <SineOt> Oh-Touchstone back is just bits of metal then?
Oct 17 02:52:46 <dwc-> coil of copper wire, 4 small discs of metal (presumably matching up to magnets in the ts)
Oct 17 02:53:01 <dwc-> and a small circuit
Oct 17 02:54:00 <SineOt> I've partially dismantled one of my pixi touchstone backs that was peeling SUPER badly, but hadn't gotten to the discs yet. Good to know they're just plain metal though
Oct 17 02:58:38 <hewball> making some new cases for a touchstone is a good reason to make a vacuum mould setup at home
Oct 17 02:59:27 <SineOt> rwhitby: did anything ever come of that touchpad that was going to get dismantled for a parts listing?
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