**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Oct 19 02:59:57 2011 Oct 19 03:03:30 back Oct 19 03:50:12 hp got some things spot on with this hardware and software its sad :( Oct 19 03:59:52 So how did everyone's 3.0.4 upgrades go? Oct 19 04:00:36 <|Jason8|> wow Oct 19 04:00:43 <|Jason8|> this is a major improvement Oct 19 04:02:31 its going nice Oct 19 04:02:44 seems a lot smoother on 3.0.4 then 3.0.2 without OC Oct 19 04:03:06 Any major pre/optware stuff freak out? Oct 19 04:03:23 not that I've found Oct 19 04:04:38 Did you disable patches and whatnot before you upgrades or just hit the switch? Oct 19 04:04:52 upgraded that is Oct 19 04:05:02 ~waitforhomebrew Oct 19 04:05:02 somebody said waitforhomebrew was https://twitter.com/#!/webosinternals/status/126381753337253888 Oct 19 04:06:09 Message received, just anxious. :D Oct 19 04:08:56 How is it I don't follow webosinternals yet Oct 19 04:09:08 Solving that problem now Oct 19 05:52:52 rwhitby, not all use twitter Oct 19 05:53:32 Jack87: then they, as the ones seeking the information which is available on Twitter, need to work out how to get it via some gateway Oct 19 05:54:52 rwhitby, haha okie dokie. (I dont use twitter but im a special person who knows whats going) Oct 19 05:55:00 Why cant one just go to the twitter page? Its not like you need to create an account Oct 19 05:55:18 its like any other page you would visit to get info Oct 19 05:55:44 wrea, hehe they just need the link which infobot kindly posted above ^ Oct 19 05:55:44 But it looks like I can mess with metadoctor tomorrow now that my veer is finally being returned to me Oct 19 05:55:49 except it makes a lot less sense if you read it standalone Oct 19 05:56:08 dwc-, haha thats prolly why twitter never makes sense to me Oct 19 05:56:22 I dont have any problems getting info from twitter w/o an account Oct 19 05:56:24 from all the replies and halves of conversations, etc Oct 19 05:56:27 dwc-, it never made sense so i figured it wasnt worth the effort for an account Oct 19 05:57:30 I have an account... I use it to spam nobody, to claim promotional credits from amazon, etc Oct 19 05:58:35 it's basically a junk account, except it's my only one. I have 0 followers, and let amazon spam all 0 of them to give me the occasional $2-5 of download credits Oct 19 06:00:25 dwc-, everything you said is greek to me Oct 19 06:00:48 wrea: your veer got returned? :D Oct 19 06:00:58 * Jack87 enjoys life twitter free.... damn birds get annoying Oct 19 06:01:13 * dtzWill runs in circles around Jack87 making tweet noises Oct 19 06:01:21 Much like any social network, you get out what you put in, for the most part. Don't follow things you don't want to follow, don't let things follow you that you don't want following you, post if you feel like it. It's really not that big a deal, Twitter h Oct 19 06:01:21 as very little noise compared to Facebookspacesquare. Oct 19 06:01:34 dtzWill, make it stop Oct 19 06:01:37 Jack87: ...sorry ;) Oct 19 06:01:58 dtzWill, UPS has it now. I'm waiting for the plane to crash land, cause that'd be my luck Oct 19 06:02:25 They actually Next Day'd it. Oct 19 06:02:35 wrea, poor man... its been over a month now since your veer crapped out on you Oct 19 06:03:51 wrea, anything with ad-hoc or did you check the TP at the wall by now? Oct 19 06:04:09 I'm gonna be pissed if they just sent a refurb instead of repairing it Oct 19 06:04:17 Jack87, very limited success Oct 19 06:05:48 wrea, thats good news... baby stepps :) Oct 19 06:06:10 * Jack87 has been on vacation and is now back on irc Oct 19 06:06:18 what i miss? Oct 19 06:07:55 I havent worked on it in two weeks. Been working on other things Oct 19 06:08:31 You've been missing me bitch about plam after talking to them everytime :P Oct 19 06:10:52 wrea, haha were they not supper helpful Oct 19 06:11:23 palm support has always been a bitch (speaking of palm os times i dont think i ever used it for webos) Oct 19 06:12:03 Well, considering i was lied to every single time I talked to them, yes, super helpful Oct 19 06:15:28 hello guzs i have try on xterm apt-get update but apt is not workin anymore laso i ahve installed the vnc client as card Oct 19 06:40:36 What's the solution to the 8% webOS Dr. Hang? isn't there some command like for the 12% that I read about? Oct 19 06:43:38 Kaerey, http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/How_To_Recover Oct 19 06:45:03 Kaerey, i delt with that a few weeks ago (I think it was at 12% on my TouchPad) doing the 8% solution wrea linked to above did the trick for me Oct 19 06:45:33 Thanks that's what I was looking for Oct 19 06:45:38 ~log Oct 19 06:45:39 somebody said log was located at http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/webos-internals/ and the latest log is located at http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/webos-internals.txt Oct 19 06:46:24 Does the old trick of doctoring it twice still get rid of the ext3fs partitions as well? Oct 19 06:50:20 Kaerey, i dunno when i did the above and doctored to stock ext3fs was gone Oct 19 06:51:10 Jack87, what'd you do on your vacation? Oct 19 06:52:03 wrea, drove down to LA visited universal studios and than went on a cruise to mexico came back from cruise and went to universal again (5day pass was $25 cheaper than a 1 day) Oct 19 06:52:46 cool Oct 19 06:52:56 I went to universal when I was in the 4th grade Oct 19 06:52:59 kinda weird no technology on the cruise.. i didnt touch my touchpad/phone/computer Oct 19 06:53:14 wrea, they took us for a field trip in 5th grade Oct 19 06:53:30 I take it you're somewhere in cali Oct 19 06:53:54 no no no.. I used to be... been in Salt Lake City for the past 12 or so years Oct 19 06:54:13 long drive then Oct 19 06:55:13 Anyone awake here who's working on UberKernel or F4 Phantom for 3.0.4? Was testing the betas of both earlier tonight, and ran into an issue. Oct 19 06:55:43 wrea, haha yes.. my bro flew in and he was supposed to take his motorcycle down (he lives in LA now) but didnt end up doing it. I was supposed to follow him and trade off if he wanted and all.. but ya GF and I just took him with us to save him on air fare Oct 19 06:55:52 Kaerey, here is my 12% story http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/webos-internals/webos-internals.20110924.txt Oct 19 06:56:32 I used to live in the bay area Oct 19 06:57:08 Daemon42: are you following the official kernel forum threads as expected of beta testers? Oct 19 06:57:12 Kaerey, hhaha sorry ignore that.. i guess i didnt go one to elaborate my success.. but ya all i did was the fix for the 8% on phones Oct 19 06:57:24 wrea, where are you now? Oct 19 06:57:36 washington state Oct 19 06:58:13 ahh fairly close to where you used to be Oct 19 06:58:39 wrea, anyway the old king kong from the tour is gone :( i think a fire destroyed it or something Oct 19 06:58:42 Thanks Jack87, I think I got it booted, not to make sure the ext3fs partitions are gone Oct 19 06:59:19 Kaerey, sweet Oct 19 07:00:40 wrea, new one is kinda neat... its a giant 3d screen on each side of the bus but eh to be honest i like the old one better Oct 19 11:23:18 rwhitby: hi. is there a way to know(have feeback) why a kernel does not boot ? I am trying to boot a new kernle built with oe-core and it does not boot , I am still seeing hp logo.. Oct 19 11:23:41 on a pre2 Oct 19 11:51:56 how does one remove the extra ext3 partition you made with metadoctor Oct 19 11:54:49 nm i think i figured it out Oct 19 15:09:01 Did anyone else notice that the enyo that shipped with the maps update won't allow custom symbols (I can't press sym+a to get access to åäá and so on)? Oct 19 15:17:05 oh, nevermind... Oct 19 15:51:08 Hmm.. it looks like somehow after doing an Emergency Patch Recovery, my device menu files are still modified in some way... I can no longer access the device menu nor can I install patches that affect it(like Advanced System Menu - Device Menu)... Is there a way to restore those files without doctoring the whole phone? Oct 19 17:14:15 will resetting to factory settings (to change associated web os account) mess up the touchpad if i have the preware kernal installed Oct 19 18:12:42 now that 3.0.4 is officially out *cough* rwhitby *cough* will preware work on it? Oct 19 18:13:38 acfrazier: ? Oct 19 18:13:44 preware works just fine. Oct 19 18:13:49 k, just making sure Oct 19 18:13:52 patches aren't updated yet Oct 19 18:14:06 kernels aren't there yet (missing/wrong source from HP) Oct 19 18:14:11 but preware itself works dandy Oct 19 18:17:13 hi, a friend o mine have a pixi plus at&t but want to doctor it with o2 doctor (using meta-doctor) but doctor stop to 4% and say phone disconnected, windows 7 64 bit , i don't know how work on windows can you help me ? Oct 19 19:08:30 halfhalo: ping Oct 19 19:08:37 hmm? Oct 19 19:08:48 do you remember how you got python in sb2? Oct 19 19:08:52 to build node Oct 19 19:09:13 widk sets it up as a build dep for node Oct 19 19:09:32 I'm not sure what that means Oct 19 19:09:39 I'm just using the sb2 shell and building stuff by hand Oct 19 19:09:53 I guess I can build python in the shell and make install it from there? Oct 19 19:10:59 tell widk to build node, then it will go through and build and setup python and any other dependencies, and THEN go into the shell to build. thats the easiest way I have found to do it Oct 19 19:11:52 how do I tell widk to build stuff? Oct 19 19:11:56 I couldn't find that on the wiki Oct 19 19:14:45 I just generally do a make stage, which goes and tries to build everything. As long as it dies after building node, I'm happy, although its overkill for just node. Oct 19 19:15:17 heya, Oct 19 19:15:44 has anyone figured out how to fix the keyboard layout problem for 3.0.4? Oct 19 19:16:01 i forgot to tell my mom not to update to 3.0.4 yet... and now she can't type in thai Oct 19 19:21:00 no? Oct 19 19:21:13 sorry, wrong channel Oct 19 19:26:25 nice luvit starts up 10x faster than node on webos Oct 19 19:26:31 PuffTheMagic, ping? Oct 19 19:26:39 ? Oct 19 19:26:39 it's a shame lua isn't a web language or I'd push to moving the services to that Oct 19 19:26:58 lol Oct 19 19:27:23 the bridge to webos would still suck Oct 19 19:27:37 of course, there is nothing stopping homebrew services from using lua Oct 19 19:27:49 PuffTheMagic: you mean talking to the message hub? Oct 19 19:28:29 ya getting lots of data from service/plugin to webos sucks Oct 19 19:28:58 right, I've been told the hub is not meant to bulk transfer data Oct 19 19:29:22 and the plugin api's rpc is *interesting* Oct 19 19:29:54 heya Oct 19 19:29:56 most people who use plugins/services do so to process lots of data Oct 19 19:30:15 do any of you guys have experience with keyboard layout patches? Oct 19 19:30:56 * halfhalo is going to make a crazy mishmash of an enyo kind, node service, dnode-protocol, and socket.io soons Oct 19 19:31:47 when halfhalo says soon he means never Oct 19 19:32:09 well, never or sometime after never. Oct 19 19:35:22 :( Oct 19 19:38:06 PuffTheMagic: sorry, I have no idea on the crashing jailer stuff Oct 19 19:42:42 Soooo can anyone modify the packages build in the preware patches feed? Oct 19 19:42:48 *anyone here Oct 19 19:54:10 hello Oct 19 19:54:18 has uberkernel been updated yet? Oct 19 19:54:29 I installed an update yesterday but it didnt work when I rebooted Oct 19 19:55:49 Nope Oct 19 19:56:10 k Oct 19 19:56:18 i think ill just run webos dr and erase everything Oct 19 19:56:20 and start over Oct 19 19:56:25 Go for it Oct 19 19:56:27 i dont have too many apps on here anyways Oct 19 19:56:39 any suggestion on grabbing the ipks off of it? Oct 19 19:56:42 * uNiXpSyChO smells BS Oct 19 19:56:56 what bs? Oct 19 19:57:18 uNiXpSyChO, same here Oct 19 19:57:39 same here what? i dont read minds Oct 19 19:58:21 just grabbing my ipks so i dont have to download them again.. Oct 19 19:58:37 nevermind, i'll google it. thanks. Oct 19 20:07:33 I use the warthog kernel & several preware patches on my touchpad. I'm worried about that setup getting broken by an upgrade to 3.0.4 Oct 19 20:10:15 although warthog's twitter feed says there's a 3.0.4 compatible version out already Oct 19 20:11:21 hey guys Oct 19 20:14:37 looks like real kernel source is out now Oct 19 20:14:53 uNiXpSyChO: cool, looking Oct 19 20:15:30 what about guvnah? Oct 19 20:16:16 at least the patch is a different size now :-) Oct 19 20:16:26 md5sum is different Oct 19 20:17:17 since my camera is br0k3n i cant test :-( Oct 19 20:20:40 so far I'm seeing very minor differences Oct 19 20:22:41 one question, how do you compile the latest enyo wirc from the git rep? Oct 19 20:22:51 i always get gcc errors Oct 19 20:23:09 got the palm sdk + woi pdk installed Oct 19 20:23:33 wow, significant changes to drivers_cpufreq_cpufreq_ondemand_tickle.c Oct 19 20:34:21 yay, really cool @owa Oct 19 20:34:33 Ice8lue :> Oct 19 20:49:22 * uNiXpSyChO keeps getting bothered to work... cant have any fun with kernels Oct 19 20:53:02 hi, i friend have a palm pixi plus at&t doctored with o2 1.4.5 version now i'm tring to launch the first use app to log in to my palm profile, but it say impossible to login and same problem if i try to create a new profile Oct 19 20:53:08 how can i solve to this ? Oct 19 20:57:37 why doctored with O2? Oct 19 20:58:10 because the at&t version doesn't have italian language Oct 19 20:58:19 this is what i know Oct 19 21:01:18 you can help me ? Oct 19 21:01:53 Whats the exact error Oct 19 21:03:09 Darkmagister, are you sure you've tried using the stock Sprint doctor for 1.4.5 Pre- and going to Regional Settings to select Italiano language? Oct 19 21:03:33 no sprint Oct 19 21:03:36 but at&t Oct 19 21:03:53 Oh, I meant ATT my mistake Oct 19 21:03:54 and is a pixi plus not a pre Oct 19 21:04:10 Sorry, I was mixed with the device since Im multitasking Oct 19 21:04:35 Yeah, try the stock 1.4.5 ATT Pixi plus doctor and selecting Italiano in the regional settings Oct 19 21:04:38 :D ok the error is "impossibile collegarsi" Oct 19 21:04:57 like impossible login or something similar Oct 19 21:05:13 he told that att firmware have only english and spanish Oct 19 21:06:58 Who is he? Oct 19 21:08:10 a friend ... Oct 19 21:08:20 Do you have a data connection? Oct 19 21:08:35 That popup shows when you have a failed connection Oct 19 21:08:38 yes tried with wifi and data 3g connection Oct 19 21:09:04 but the network work because have installed some app from preware Oct 19 21:09:18 so network work but not the first use app Oct 19 21:09:42 Why didnt you login and activate from the normal setup screen when you first doctor the phone? Oct 19 21:10:40 ok i have doctored the phone with metadoctor with bypass activation Oct 19 21:11:01 Why bypass the activation though...? Oct 19 21:11:06 because i don't have a data plan so if i don't skip it i pay like 7 euro fo the activation Oct 19 21:11:12 Oh I see Oct 19 21:11:17 Makes things clearer Oct 19 21:11:55 on all my pre i do like this metadoctor bypass activation and first use after disabile data and enable wifi and work Oct 19 21:12:11 but i had never tried with a pixi Oct 19 21:12:33 i can do something with impostah ? Oct 19 21:13:41 Go to Palm Profile in Impotash and try to login from there Oct 19 21:14:46 ok Oct 19 21:15:06 does someone need a nearly new palm pixi plus? got one spare Oct 19 21:16:34 ok let's try Oct 19 21:21:40 is preware considered a jailbreak? if I install webos 3.0.4 do I have to reinstall preware and all the patches I had? Oct 19 21:22:01 rocketeerbkw, no and never associate the word jailbreak with our community Oct 19 21:22:24 You will have to reinstall patches after an update however. Preware will stay though. Oct 19 21:22:57 sry, didn't mean to offend Oct 19 21:23:05 Most patches are updated within a week after the doctor of the update is posted. Oct 19 21:23:22 rocketeerbkw, all cool, just getting the point across. Oct 19 21:23:49 does preware keep track of what I have currently and what needs to be updated? Oct 19 21:23:54 abyssul i can not click on nothing in impostah Oct 19 21:25:16 rocketeerbkw, Preware will notify you when the patch is updated for the new version Oct 19 21:25:33 (at the top where it says package updates) Oct 19 21:26:05 Abyssul: awesome, thx Oct 19 21:27:38 3.0.4 added FLAC support Oct 19 21:27:40 * Abyssul faints Oct 19 21:28:48 * linuxjacques faints too. Oct 19 21:29:10 now, can the DLNA client play FLAC? that is the question Oct 19 21:30:21 FLAC support? on my TP? sweet Oct 19 21:31:46 what's so special about FLAC Oct 19 21:31:54 I don't think I've ever needed it Oct 19 21:32:10 now I wish we had hardware vp8 decoding, but no amount of ota will fix that Oct 19 21:32:22 FLAC is just loseless audio format Oct 19 21:32:27 Primarily for audiophiles Oct 19 21:32:41 can you really hear the difference on a touchpad Oct 19 21:32:47 I guess with good headphones maybe Oct 19 21:32:50 If you have the right headphones, of course Oct 19 21:33:01 (or sound system hooked up to it) Oct 19 21:33:21 Ill test a FLAC over DNLA Oct 19 21:33:33 I wonder if software vp8 would be fast enough at 720p Oct 19 21:34:55 webOS support DLNA? Oct 19 21:35:22 So who likes the new spinner? Oct 19 21:35:26 thomas_92, yeah Oct 19 21:35:36 (via an app) Oct 19 21:36:17 i love the new spinner! Oct 19 21:36:32 Cant find my server... Oct 19 21:38:21 so you can stream your music from your tp to anther dlna compatible device? Oct 19 21:39:40 Not that way Oct 19 21:39:45 Its only to the TP for now Oct 19 21:40:04 Until one of the devs adds support for two way stream Oct 19 21:40:42 ok... only webos 3.x i assume? Oct 19 21:43:53 yeah Oct 19 22:08:53 does anyone happen to have a tool that will go through contacts/calendars and flip them from "palm profile" to something else? (yes, I was dumb and didn't make that change when I first started using my pre...) Oct 19 22:09:21 er i meant to say contacts and events in the calendar Oct 19 22:17:46 yay, veer just got here Oct 19 22:18:06 woohoo Oct 19 22:20:37 And its the same one I sent Oct 19 22:21:07 ... Oct 19 22:22:25 did they change anything in it? Oct 19 22:22:57 Not-funny comedy if it's literally the same one, still broken and everything Oct 19 22:24:27 actually, it doesnt seem like they did anything to it. Oct 19 22:32:46 Seriously? I forget what was wrong with it to begin with Oct 19 22:35:25 TP does support Play To with DLNA Oct 19 22:35:32 So I see HP finally rolled out the real kernel source? I'm really curious what about this new kernel rev is enabling the camera functionality Oct 19 22:35:51 diff the patches Oct 19 22:35:51 wait, so they took it for a monthlong tour? and nothing else? Oct 19 22:36:35 they did slap a new clear screen protector on it Oct 19 22:37:03 Doesnt say anything about texting a driving, so i guess its okay for me to know :P Oct 19 22:37:22 rwhitby, could you take at the packages build for 1.4.5 for my "sms vibrate to [x] seconds" patches? They are labeled as unavailable, but they are in the feed. Oct 19 22:37:30 take a look at* Oct 19 22:40:01 Abyssul: easiest thing is to just resubmit them Oct 19 22:40:15 (as a no-change update to the existing patch, marked for 1.4.5 only) Oct 19 22:44:47 hmm, do I want to call palm tonight Oct 19 22:46:24 the preware apps are not on my touchpad preware prgram Oct 19 22:46:29 program* Oct 19 22:46:37 anyone can help? Oct 19 22:46:49 Run the ERU Oct 19 22:47:10 whats the ERU Oct 19 22:57:17 Damn I have to add each .patch file Oct 19 23:02:47 ERU is the Emergency Reconstruction Utility ... it's in preware if your preware is working well enough Oct 19 23:24:31 Only weirdness after 3.0.4 update is the tab key on the soft keyboard types "9" in Xterm now Oct 19 23:24:36 Otherwise everything looks pretty good Oct 19 23:55:55 ok, who's set up to alpha test uberkernel and govnah 1.2.1 on touchpad webOS 3.0.4 ? Oct 19 23:56:26 I suppose I can. Oct 19 23:57:38 Was it a wise decision to switch from an android phone to a palm pre? Oct 20 00:02:54 So, I'm about to doctor my phone, because it's been running slowly, but Save/Restore doesn't backup SuperNES, and I'm not willing to lose my Chrono Trigger save. Oct 20 00:04:13 Where is it going to save my save data? Oct 20 00:07:41 Or rather, where might I look for my save data? Oct 20 00:12:28 probably in the appdir, or in /media/internal somewhere Oct 20 00:12:40 dtzWill would know best Oct 20 00:14:17 I really want to help with that alpha test but I really don't want to doctor my touchpad when it doesn't boot Oct 20 00:21:17 rwhitby: Where exactly do I find the appdir? I thought it was /var/usr, but I can't find anything there. Oct 20 00:28:25 rwhitby - what sort of infoz are you looking for re: uberkernel/govenah Oct 20 00:35:04 /media/cryptofs/usr/palm/applications Oct 20 00:35:49 rwhitby - is govnah 1.2.1 expected to be locked to a single profile? Oct 20 00:36:16 what do you mean by locked? govnah is never locked to a profile Oct 20 00:36:42 govnah provides default profiles, and advanced settings to create your own Oct 20 00:37:10 rwhitby - I have/had existing profiles which I don't seem to be able to select any longer. Oct 20 00:37:22 dwc- There's an apps between cryptofs and usr. Oct 20 00:37:45 cat-xeger: where they for different kernels? Oct 20 00:38:25 rwhitby - yeah, for an older uberkernel Oct 20 00:39:44 Creating a new profile by the same name overwrites it, at least -- would be nice if there was some sort of feedback beyond nothing happening. Oct 20 00:41:20 At any rate, both seem to install without immediate issue, and also seem to be running without immediate issue Oct 20 00:46:37 Presumably you're wanting the uberkernel default profile? Oct 20 00:48:57 If I doctor my ATT Pre+ using a 2.1 metadoctor, is it going to let me reactivate and set up a new Palm Profile afterwards? Oct 20 00:52:32 Cute. Had to remove/re-install openssh, since it wasn't appearing/connecting. Oct 20 01:02:50 Hm. Is cifs known to work w/ the uberkernel alpha? Oct 20 01:05:33 Welp... at least asking causes things to start working :) Oct 20 01:18:30 ctbeiser, AFAIK u can't do that with already-activate devices Oct 20 01:52:35 cat-xeger: thanks for testing Oct 20 02:30:14 anyone have Amazon MP3 for 2.1? Oct 20 02:35:38 anyone? Oct 20 02:40:44 no **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Oct 20 02:59:57 2011