**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Oct 20 02:59:57 2011 Oct 20 03:08:25 actionfigure: yes Oct 20 03:24:40 Hello Oct 20 03:24:40 anyone use Amazon mp3 on 2.1? i cant seem to find it Oct 20 03:24:57 Anyone an expert on the SDK and novacom? Oct 20 03:25:31 bouncer5: os? Oct 20 03:25:53 Im trying to install android, And novacom is giving me errors, nobody on the android part knows why its happening, and suggested cming here. Oct 20 03:26:08 Ive tried it on 2 windows 7 machines, One 32bit on 64bit. Oct 20 03:26:42 what errors? Oct 20 03:27:04 When I try to to do the novacom command I get access denied. Oct 20 03:27:17 permission problem Oct 20 03:27:23 I've tried taht Oct 20 03:27:32 I took owenership of the folder Oct 20 03:27:41 and made sure I had full permissions Oct 20 03:27:47 Still same error Oct 20 03:28:00 on windows, run novaterm.exe or novaterm-1.exe from the palm/sdk/bin directory. (use explorer or a command line) (if this doesn't work, run novacom -t open tty:// ) Oct 20 03:28:04 on 2 sperate machines... Oct 20 03:28:38 http://forums.precentral.net/webos-development/222854-how-novacom-into-my-actual-pre.html Oct 20 03:28:54 actionfigure: yes. stole it out of another doctor Oct 20 03:29:38 dwc-: how did you do that? Oct 20 03:30:00 unzip'd the jarfile Oct 20 03:30:04 on 2.1 i also had issues looking at picture on the browser..i can only see it in full view....why? Oct 20 03:30:21 the pre2 verizon doctor Oct 20 03:30:24 I think Oct 20 03:30:30 oh cool Oct 20 03:30:39 ill have to download it Oct 20 03:30:39 I don;t have novaterm.... Oct 20 03:31:51 i think novacom and novaterm are in the same folder Oct 20 03:32:11 I downloaded the SDK Installed it and its not there Oct 20 03:32:21 Anyway I tried your novacom -t Oct 20 03:32:46 im on linux Oct 20 03:32:48 so Oct 20 03:32:52 this is what i did Oct 20 03:33:05 on windows, novaterm and novacom are in diff places Oct 20 03:33:05 i cd /opt/palm/novacom/ Oct 20 03:33:19 and they keep moving them around with seemingly every version Oct 20 03:33:25 and then i sudo novacomd Oct 20 03:34:10 actionfigure, add /opt/palm/novacom to your PATH, it saves time Oct 20 03:34:28 I installed only "novacom" as it is the only part I need for the android files. Oct 20 03:34:34 scoutcamper: hiya :) Oct 20 03:34:38 my novacomd runs at startup Oct 20 03:34:48 scoutcamper: thanks...i find the way i do it easier... Oct 20 03:35:00 it also was symlinked per the pkg installer into /usr/local Oct 20 03:35:04 well im not seeing amazon in the preverizon doctor Oct 20 03:35:05 (which is already in my path) Oct 20 03:35:13 pre2? Oct 20 03:35:26 no pre+ Oct 20 03:35:38 20:25 < dwc-> the pre2 verizon doctor Oct 20 03:35:38 im trying to steal it like you said :) Oct 20 03:35:46 yes Oct 20 03:35:48 thats what i have Oct 20 03:36:13 that's not the pre+ Oct 20 03:36:40 (it might be in the pre+, but I don't have one of those downloaded) Oct 20 03:36:49 and then it's inside the verizon.tar Oct 20 03:36:52 so where can i get amazon mp3? Oct 20 03:37:11 Any idea why im getting permission errors now? Cant paste a text file in tehr enow Oct 20 03:38:09 bouncer5, what device? and os version? Oct 20 03:38:32 dwc-: ok..i found amazonservice_1.1.7 Oct 20 03:38:35 windows 7 Oct 20 03:38:38 dwc-: whats the other file? Oct 20 03:38:49 trying novacom to get android onto the touchpad Oct 20 03:38:59 bouncer5, what webos version? Oct 20 03:39:00 the other one with amazon in the name? Oct 20 03:39:19 I tried 3.0.3 Oct 20 03:39:28 I then upgraded and that is also failing Oct 20 03:39:40 dwc-: com.palm.amazonstore? Oct 20 03:39:57 hmm, managed to get 3.0.3 but doesn't have working novacom drivers? interesting .... Oct 20 03:40:19 bouncer5, dev mode password? Oct 20 03:40:31 none set Oct 20 03:40:56 dwc-: so when you install those 2 files...is that al you did? did you do any command line stuff? Oct 20 03:40:57 actionfigure: that would be the one that would get you to the amazon mp3 store, yes Oct 20 03:41:04 that is all I did Oct 20 03:41:10 great thanks!!! Oct 20 03:41:30 dwc-: can you do me a favor and go to your browser and see if you can look at images in googles? Oct 20 03:41:42 ? Oct 20 03:41:59 when i click an image i cant see it..only if i go to full view Oct 20 03:42:50 works for me Oct 20 03:43:12 hmmm Oct 20 03:43:30 dwc-: if you google and image can you pass the 14th page? Oct 20 03:43:36 i cant.. Oct 20 03:47:05 dwc-: know what i mean? Oct 20 03:51:44 scoutcamper: hiya :) Oct 20 03:52:03 hello Oct 20 03:52:05 dwc-: did you need root access for amazon? Oct 20 03:52:10 scoutcamper: how goes it Oct 20 03:52:19 bouncer5: did it work? :) Oct 20 03:52:30 good Oct 20 03:52:43 Its been a long day Oct 20 03:52:45 I found my issue Oct 20 03:52:50 bouncer5: oh good Oct 20 03:52:55 bouncer5: i know the feeling Oct 20 03:52:59 I ment to move the file, Oct 20 03:53:05 Instead i moved the same names folder. Oct 20 03:53:07 Derp. Oct 20 03:53:29 Now im gong to go to sleep and avoid silly mistakes like that Oct 20 03:53:39 Thaanks for the help fellas Oct 20 03:53:49 bouncer5: nite and good luck Oct 20 04:40:39 ka6sox: did you see my question about the wiki and captchas? Oct 20 04:41:14 dwc-: got installed thanks :) Oct 20 04:41:23 but i cant purchase anything :( Oct 20 04:48:32 So the tab key on the Bluetooth keyboard is also typing 9 in xterm now as well as the soft keyboard Oct 20 04:48:37 Kinda weird Oct 20 04:48:46 Pretty sure it was working before Oct 20 04:48:58 I get that too Oct 20 04:49:10 I think something broke between 3.0.2 and 3.0.4 Oct 20 04:51:26 Yeah, that's what I'm thinking as well. Glad to know it's not just me :D Oct 20 04:53:59 actionfigure: never tried. I usually buy on one of my desktops with the mp3 collections on them Oct 20 04:54:03 dtzWill: ping? Oct 20 04:54:12 dwc-: test it :) Oct 20 04:54:27 nothing I want to buy at the moment? Oct 20 04:56:17 ok..thanks though :) Oct 20 04:56:18 PatrickC: yeah tab worked before for sure :). haven't looked as to what is causing it, should be a straightforward fix. Oct 20 04:56:36 ok cool :) Oct 20 04:56:39 hopefully it's just that they changed what's emitted for tab Oct 20 04:56:44 which would be kinda strange, but oh well. Oct 20 04:57:16 at least you know of the problem :) Oct 20 04:57:39 yeah, it can't be many things and i just added to my TODO officially... for whatever that's worth ^.^ Oct 20 04:58:16 lol Oct 20 04:59:01 I was showing a friend ubuntu chroot and they were like "awesome.. a desktop on a tablet as an app" :D Oct 20 04:59:24 anyone else having issues when googling an image and passing the 14th page? ..also can not look at image unless in full view? Oct 20 05:01:03 yeah seeing as tab is keycode 9, i'm pretty sure i know what's going on O:) Oct 20 05:02:17 @CatSkill Sweet :D Oct 20 05:02:21 whoops Oct 20 05:02:28 autocorrect. ::sigh:: Oct 20 05:02:38 yeah...i cant purchase through Amazon :( Oct 20 05:02:40 @dtzWill that was Oct 20 05:11:32 it would be good if I built arm code instead of x86 ^.^ Oct 20 05:15:03 errr does ssh work for anyone else on 3.0.4? Oct 20 05:15:27 i thought it somehow just didn't start while i was bouncing kernels, so went to invoke the ssh script manually and upstart seems rather unhappy Oct 20 05:15:30 i'll try reinstalling it... Oct 20 05:16:07 hmm maybe i'm fail and invoking it wrong. Oct 20 05:16:58 nvm, i'm fail. sorry for the noise Oct 20 05:19:30 tab works again, will push to alpha in a bit Oct 20 05:48:56 does anyone know of xserver's orientation detection works on stock 3.0.4? Oct 20 05:49:14 because atm i'm having a hard time getting the accelerometer to do anything, boo Oct 20 05:52:55 quick question peeps, how do i get rid of debian's partition? I was able to get rid of my 5gb ubuntu partition, but i think debian still has 2gb in limbo somewhere ;) Oct 20 06:03:00 ah, got it. hooray. Oct 20 06:03:45 I don't think most people have debian partitions or ubuntu partitions Oct 20 06:04:53 they might have a directory that serves as their "filesystem" root but that's likely it Oct 20 06:04:59 and you'd remove the two of them in similar ways Oct 20 06:39:17 ~12h ago, maybe? Oct 20 06:45:21 hmm never pushed the alt fixes to actual feed, left it in alpha. Oct 20 06:45:29 any alpha-apps feed users have any issues with 'alt'? :) Oct 20 06:45:42 on vkb or BT? Oct 20 06:45:50 either. Oct 20 06:46:36 alright well here goes nothing, pushing updated xserver to alpha feeds :D Oct 20 06:47:31 update should fix all known 3.0.4 issues (orientation detection, tab char not working) as well as add vkb support for control and escape Oct 20 06:47:53 if it works, should update xecutah's blurb about esc/control and push to non-alpha Oct 20 06:48:02 ok Oct 20 06:49:26 i feel slightly bad that i have zero communication with the people who maintain various 'easy configure X' setups, and have no idea if/when i break them : Oct 20 06:49:28 :/ Oct 20 06:49:31 guess they can let me know :( Oct 20 06:50:03 dtzWill: that's what alpha and beta feeds are for Oct 20 06:51:09 rwhitby: should i post changelogs to p|c to alert interested alpha-testers? Oct 20 06:51:23 kinda dropped off the p|c radar lately >_> heh Oct 20 07:03:26 hello coudl i update the touchpoad without loosing the ubuntu chroot_ Oct 20 07:04:23 OTA? Oct 20 07:04:34 or doing a doctor? Oct 20 07:05:48 over the air Oct 20 07:06:19 technikfreak: should be fine, but if it's critical then should back it up Oct 20 07:06:56 aka "i think you'll be fine, but i can't promise you that and don't want to be responsible" ;) Oct 20 07:07:14 dwc-, fixed...good spot Oct 20 07:07:43 try now Oct 20 07:08:03 elfurbe, PatrickC_Away: if you guys are on alpha-apps, just pushed update for xserver Oct 20 07:08:25 technikfreak, unless things are broken in your PV or VG you should be fine. Oct 20 07:08:47 dwc-, can you try now? Oct 20 07:09:32 sure, 1 sec Oct 20 07:10:20 works Oct 20 07:10:43 dwc-, thanks a lot fo catching that. Oct 20 07:10:52 you can delete http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Test2 and http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Test3 Oct 20 07:11:08 np, annoys me more than it annoyed you ;) Oct 20 07:14:31 00:06 < discord> i need to return a touchpad to stock, will running webos doctor remove ubuntu chroot and kernels, etc? Oct 20 07:16:39 discord: yes, although you will need to clear your user partition yourself Oct 20 07:16:53 dwc-, will do Oct 20 07:16:54 Xuzz: thanks Oct 20 07:17:57 i started a secure full erase hoping it would remove chroot and kernels, wish there was a safe way to abort Oct 20 07:18:34 its taking forever... Oct 20 08:10:33 Soruk, ping? Oct 20 08:13:58 ka6sox: how does that callsign work? I thought all ham callsigns started with letter + digit + Oct 20 08:14:39 is it because you have an extra license? Oct 20 08:14:58 @dtzWill I'm not on alpha apps, just beta. Oct 20 08:15:41 ah, okay, looks like ka is a prefix too Oct 20 08:15:43 complicated. Oct 20 08:15:50 oh. damn, i'll put into beta. Oct 20 08:17:54 geist, ya, I've had it since like 1979, and even though I'm an Extra everyone knows this call. Oct 20 08:18:19 was just reading about it. all the hams i know are k, but guess that's just the ones i happen to know Oct 20 08:18:50 that used to be because they were "old" now it may mean that they bought it as a "vanity" cal. Oct 20 08:18:52 call. Oct 20 08:19:02 nah, most of them are 'old' Oct 20 08:19:09 he he.... Oct 20 08:19:11 I'm OLD too. Oct 20 08:19:18 like my dad :) k5doa, got it in the early 60s i believe Oct 20 08:19:35 ah, memorable call. Oct 20 08:19:45 heh yeah Oct 20 08:20:25 do you have yours? Oct 20 08:20:36 nah, never did. i keep meaning to get around to it Oct 20 08:20:47 do it...no more morse code :( Oct 20 08:20:50 i grew up late enough that the internet has filled that spot in my life. the usual story Oct 20 08:21:00 until it breaks. Oct 20 08:21:20 yeah, my dad is a big cw fan. mostly classic bugs now Oct 20 08:21:42 some of them are quite quick Oct 20 08:22:38 oh yeah, he can copy in the 30-40 range i think, though i believe he was saying most folks dont run that fast anymore Oct 20 08:22:45 Leno had 2 CW ops (that I knew) and 2 fasters texters.... Oct 20 08:23:56 they of course beat them (network lag I'm sure got them) Oct 20 08:24:06 heh Oct 20 08:25:45 I know that even with the net there are some places that will be cutoff pretty quick. Oct 20 08:27:14 yeah, might be time to just do t Oct 20 08:27:21 anyway, off to sleep Oct 20 08:27:24 niters Oct 20 08:27:29 good to see you Oct 20 08:27:30 73' Oct 20 08:55:08 would it be possible to use the messaging app from 2.2 on a pre 2 running 2.1 ? Oct 20 08:56:41 elfurbe: fwiw pushed to beta Oct 20 08:57:06 extract it from the doctor and then re package for 2.1? Oct 20 09:02:42 ziplock503, let me know how that goes...or better yet, document it in the wiki :D Oct 20 09:11:36 I just wanna know if its possible LOL so I can fix this palm pre 2 sms bug Oct 20 09:12:07 but i think its a 2.1 messaging bug Oct 20 09:19:40 f15c 3.0.4-80 @ 1.7ghz lithium bench = 89, browsermark = 47407, sunspider = 2402 .. my stock 3.0.4 touchpad doesnt even complete the browsermark Oct 20 09:22:30 stock 3.0.4 is a 127 on the lithum Oct 20 09:27:50 stock 3.0.4 is a 3227 on the sunspider. . wow Oct 20 09:41:39 * Soruk wakes up, finally able to connect from work again. Oct 20 09:41:47 w00h00! Oct 20 09:41:59 Soruk, I have questions about twm Oct 20 09:42:14 Sure, what's up? Oct 20 10:22:41 hmm. my preware is stuck at "Reading Saved Package List" Oct 20 10:43:45 heyho Oct 20 11:03:47 so uNiXpSyChO, f4 is currently the only custom kernel available for 3.0.4? Oct 20 11:04:55 oh, and f15c Oct 20 11:07:58 is icq now working on the new touchpad webos version? Oct 20 11:09:01 lol... Oct 20 11:09:03 ;) Oct 20 11:09:52 it never will until nuttybunny releases his plugins Oct 20 11:10:25 ruumis: and uberkernel Oct 20 11:10:32 don't forget good ol' uk ^.^ Oct 20 11:11:40 ahh, didn't see that one in preware? Oct 20 11:11:43 nor warthog Oct 20 11:11:57 oh Oct 20 11:12:06 maybe it didn't get promoted in the feeds yet Oct 20 11:12:09 might still be in testing Oct 20 11:12:33 I'm on f4 for now, since guvnah got updated to support it Oct 20 11:12:50 yep Oct 20 11:12:58 what about the patches like adblocker etc? Oct 20 11:13:11 they stopped working after the 3.0.4 update and they disappeared from preware... Oct 20 11:13:28 i imagine they're forthcoming Oct 20 11:14:33 uk is in normal, some versions of other kernels are in either alpha or beta. Oct 20 11:15:21 i am running F15 right now, I see F4, Uber, warthog . . it looks like F4 and F15 have definitely been updated to correct the camera problem, not sure about Uber and Warthog Oct 20 11:16:12 EricBlade, think of WH, F* and others as testbeds for UK...when its been proven...it gets "promoted" to UK. Oct 20 11:16:34 if it flames out and crashes? well...don't expect to see it in UK. Oct 20 11:16:35 right, i'm just saying that i do see them, so they are in one feed or another Oct 20 11:16:54 probably in alpha or beta/ Oct 20 11:18:28 uber has been updated to fix camera Oct 20 11:18:33 using it now, etc Oct 20 11:18:41 tend to be decently conservative with kernel choices Oct 20 11:21:08 :) Oct 20 11:24:11 i accidentally updated to webos 3.04 without removing any patches or my custom kernel..what should i do in which appropiate order to fix this? Oct 20 11:28:00 tell me you aren't using themes too. Oct 20 11:28:07 no themes Oct 20 11:28:21 didnt install the theme manager yet :P Oct 20 11:28:33 there is some kind of emergency patch fixer you can find in the wiki Oct 20 11:28:39 that might straighten those out. Oct 20 11:29:14 the 3.04 update did complete succesfully it said Oct 20 11:29:28 however i dont know what i might have broken in preware Oct 20 11:30:14 (disclaimer: I'm a tad reckless) I updated to 3.0.4 with a custom kernel and patches installed Oct 20 11:30:16 so far things seem just fine Oct 20 11:30:27 for one thing the kernel update (Phantom) didnt work anymore obviously Oct 20 11:30:35 dtzWill : i did that too Oct 20 11:30:43 ka6sox : you got a link maybe? Oct 20 11:30:56 lemme see Oct 20 11:31:09 I think its called emergency patch recovery. Oct 20 11:31:14 presumably when the patches are updated Oct 20 11:31:17 but where on the wiki. Oct 20 11:31:17 i'll get updates in preware Oct 20 11:31:21 and aupt magic will fix things Oct 20 11:31:25 oh right Oct 20 11:31:28 its meant specifically for this situation? Oct 20 11:31:29 but you need to run this first. Oct 20 11:31:37 aupt magic ? Oct 20 11:31:39 YeahRight, I believe so Oct 20 11:31:45 how sweet Oct 20 11:31:49 Automagic Patch Update magic. Oct 20 11:31:53 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Auto-Update_Patch_Technology Oct 20 11:32:03 i fuck up and you guys have a fix for that already :P Oct 20 11:32:25 well...we usually find these things on our own first. Oct 20 11:32:30 and break stuff. Oct 20 11:32:36 all patches _should_ be done doing that, and themes not using it (because they couldn't) is biggest reason people are aggressive about making sure themes aren't installed, etc Oct 20 11:32:44 but anyway it's no guarantee but it's supposed to work Oct 20 11:33:06 each OTA is new, and who knows how they go. not like we have a copy of the OTA we can test before y'all, we just update when it comes out and clean up any/all messes that result ^.^ Oct 20 11:33:38 YMMV Oct 20 11:33:43 but for example, see http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Auto-Update_Patch_Technology#OTA_Update Oct 20 11:33:58 The new AUPT system makes this unnecessary and allows you to leave patches installed and then update them all after an OTA update to a new version of webOS. Oct 20 11:34:09 that's the vision, and for the most part it seems to work. Oct 20 11:34:20 and when it doesn't, the various emergency-fixer tools do the job :) Oct 20 11:34:36 this AUPT system has to be installed or something? Oct 20 11:34:48 gets installed with your first patch Oct 20 11:34:52 nah, it's transparent. the patches use it Oct 20 11:35:08 afaik all patches in preware use it, but i don't know for sure Oct 20 11:35:15 but at the time i installed my first patch it might not have existed yet? Oct 20 11:35:38 well if you're talking touchpad, then it definitely did Oct 20 11:35:40 I thought there was some support stuff for it that gets installed. Oct 20 11:35:46 yeah touchapd Oct 20 11:36:00 touchpad launched 2011, last update on that wiki is jul 2010 Oct 20 11:36:01 hehe Oct 20 11:36:18 (not saying you should've noticed that, but i jsut checked and thought i'd share hehe) Oct 20 11:36:45 so dtzWill : so you're saying i dont need to fix anything except for using updates preware is presenting me? Oct 20 11:38:13 hello, i want to know if u install version 3.04 of webos ontop some Uberkernel from preware can cause problems? Oct 20 11:38:38 am i right dtzWill / ka6sox ? Oct 20 11:39:11 YeahRight, if your patches are NOT working after that then its possible you need to run the EPR Oct 20 11:39:31 well the problem is dont remember all patches i installed Oct 20 11:39:32 YeahRight: yep. unless it appears otherwise, then run EPR to fix things (it force-uninstalls all patches) Oct 20 11:39:42 YeahRight: aren't they still listed as 'installed' in preware? Oct 20 11:39:50 kalas, anything -can- happen, but for the most part, it should just work, it'll replace your kernel with the palm kernel, and then next time you run preware, you can pick up the kernel update Oct 20 11:39:50 for ex the wrinkle effect returned now Oct 20 11:40:14 YeahRight: yep Oct 20 11:40:19 so some patches won't work anymore Oct 20 11:40:23 because they were overridden Oct 20 11:40:30 well preware claims the remove tap riplle patch is installed for ex Oct 20 11:40:34 while it is not anymore Oct 20 11:40:35 but because it's still in preware Oct 20 11:40:37 as 'installed' Oct 20 11:40:42 when an update comes Oct 20 11:40:45 YeahRight: my understanding, is that you will of course lose all your patches to OS files when you OTA. By not removing them first, you allow the Preware installer to keep track of which ones you had, and then when the patch is updated, it will let you know Oct 20 11:40:50 aka when someone releases the wripple patch for 3.0.4 Oct 20 11:40:56 preware'll update it and apply the patch Oct 20 11:41:06 by leaving them installed you automatically are subscribed to the relatd updates Oct 20 11:42:02 EricBlade : so its probably best not to remove the patches first then? i mean the installed patches liste wont be accurate but at least you'll get an update notice when the 3.04 patch is released then Oct 20 11:42:15 dtzWill : EXACTLY Oct 20 11:42:33 YeahRight, EPR will make it so when its available you can re-add it. Oct 20 11:42:36 so this suggests to me its best not to take any precautions before applying the OTA update.. Oct 20 11:42:37 i was just about to be quiet since EricBlade said what i said only clearer/more concisely Oct 20 11:42:39 so imust really think that the webchat support i just used didnt sort my problem because of server issues they have Oct 20 11:42:52 YeahRight: best in terms of potential for easiest on you Oct 20 11:43:08 right Oct 20 11:43:08 we recommend uninstalling, just like we recommend backing everything up before doing anything ;) Oct 20 11:43:17 and hope they fix the server so i can activate the TP with webos profile Oct 20 11:43:18 heh..makes sense :P Oct 20 11:43:25 i'm happy i didnt really break stuff Oct 20 11:43:30 because things break, and for example an OTA might replace some files and not others and have some unexpected behavior (i think?) Oct 20 11:43:34 normally i'm more careful.. Oct 20 11:43:48 ota's can be tricky Oct 20 11:44:03 and going from 1 version (not build) to another can be problematic. Oct 20 11:44:06 and i'm happy with all the knowledge and support in this channel :P Oct 20 11:44:28 figure if you would need this kind of support of HP itself..LOL Oct 20 11:44:36 now getting any more apps for that device could be tricky for a while. Oct 20 11:44:52 yeah, all the patches are made by volunteers Oct 20 11:44:57 and need to be hand-updated, etc Oct 20 11:45:13 or at least verified that even if they still apply cleanly that they still do what's expected Oct 20 11:45:16 and that's a lot of work :) Oct 20 11:45:19 what is the best way to backup everything i have installed? i want to install cm7 soon too but i dont want to loose anything webos related.. Oct 20 11:45:21 and the patch portal is flash paper held up by matches. Oct 20 11:45:46 hahaha Oct 20 11:46:12 YeahRight: i don't know that there is any actually supported backup process Oct 20 11:46:32 there are misc solutions that work well Oct 20 11:46:35 i hope so.. Oct 20 11:46:38 save/restore, etc Oct 20 11:46:42 but solve different things Oct 20 11:46:55 some things save/restore and some backup from HP Oct 20 11:46:56 could you tell me those misc solutions? Oct 20 11:46:58 but everything? Oct 20 11:47:00 is there any other way to activate the HP TP without losing warranty? Oct 20 11:47:04 di rather doubt it. Oct 20 11:47:04 for example we don't provide the kind of backup that lets yo say "image my device so i can restore it later" Oct 20 11:47:22 yeah i would have liked that.. Oct 20 11:47:29 except HP wouldnt' Oct 20 11:47:29 metadoctor can back things up Oct 20 11:47:35 in the sense that it'll grab everything off your device Oct 20 11:47:37 and store it Oct 20 11:47:38 oh right Oct 20 11:47:39 but you can't restore Oct 20 11:47:49 well not automagically anyway Oct 20 11:47:57 well...you probably can...but its gonna be painful. Oct 20 11:47:58 more just to "make sure i have a copy of all this somewhere" style backup Oct 20 11:48:02 ka6sox: yep yep Oct 20 11:48:08 but it should support restoring to a different partition size too to be useful since obviously android needs space too.. Oct 20 11:48:23 "should" Oct 20 11:48:32 Android on the device is a NON-Supported thing. Oct 20 11:48:32 in an ideal world.. Oct 20 11:48:49 YeahRight: you highlight exactly why there's no magical solutoin already for this Oct 20 11:48:58 i dont ask android support..just a way to backup and resotre everything Oct 20 11:49:05 since we're all hacking our devices (to different extents), handling all of that correclty is quite the tsak Oct 20 11:49:14 yup Oct 20 11:49:43 which is why I try to not muck about with production devices and not rely on dev devices for production work. Oct 20 11:49:44 but there is way which gets most closely to what i'm asking Oct 20 11:49:56 performing several steps Oct 20 11:50:09 maybe, because I am not working that problem. Oct 20 11:50:36 if I don't doctor a device in a week I'm not doing development. Oct 20 11:50:58 because the stuff I do breaks stuff. Oct 20 11:51:10 dtzWill : whats the use of metadoctor if you cant restore? Oct 20 11:51:32 ka6sox : doctoring means you loose evrything right? Oct 20 11:51:32 you don't have to use it. Oct 20 11:51:43 yes, I do Oct 20 11:51:46 regularly Oct 20 11:52:04 i truly hate that..heh Oct 20 11:52:11 doesnt' bother me anymore Oct 20 11:52:38 but then I am doing things like resizing/repartitioning/reformatting on the fly. Oct 20 11:52:39 palm backup and save/restore make doctoring really nice Oct 20 11:52:57 i can understand but it depends on how you use the device and how easy you can get close to some preconfiguration Oct 20 11:53:13 again, I use dev devices for this Oct 20 11:53:15 not production. Oct 20 11:53:19 right Oct 20 11:53:33 dtzWill : you say metadoctor can backup everything? Oct 20 11:53:44